Speaker 1: Ok, it's only films, Tappy ba twife, Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, director, a door
Speaker 1: jam and I love films. As Heraclitus once said, no
Speaker 1: man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's
Speaker 1: not the same river, and he's not the same man.
Speaker 1: What's the same film again? And it will reveal another
Speaker 1: face to you. Teenth time I saw Bad Santa, I
Speaker 1: was like, bloody hell, this is fucking dark. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really is. Actually I do love that film, but it's
Speaker 1: so dark. Fair play Heraclitus. Every week I invite a
Speaker 1: special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I
Speaker 1: get them to discuss their life through the films that
Speaker 1: meant the most of them. Previous guests include Sharon Stone,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, James A Castor, Jamila Jamil and even said Zambles.
Speaker 1: But this week is the brilliant and wonderful actor Pearl Mackie.
Speaker 1: Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward
Speaker 1: slash Breck gold Steam, where you'll get an extra twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of chat with Pearl. You get a big secret
Speaker 1: from her, a quite a brilliant one. You hear about
Speaker 1: her thoughts on the greatest beginnings but greatest endings of films.
Speaker 1: You also get the whole episode uncut and as a video.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com Forward slash
Speaker 1: Breck gold Steam. There's a live show coming up. You
Speaker 1: know about that yet only a few tickets left. You
Speaker 1: better grab them. July third, Underbelly with the Fraid and
Speaker 1: Taskmaster's hero Sarah Kendall as my guest. You can get
Speaker 1: your tickets. Come along. We'll all be nice to each other,
Speaker 1: have a great old time. Your two TV missions, as always,
Speaker 1: are to watch season one of ted Lasso before season
Speaker 1: two starts on July twenty three on the Apple TV
Speaker 1: Plus app and season one of Soulmates on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1: One will make you very happy, the other will make
Speaker 1: you question your relationships. Pearl Mackie or Pearl Mackie is
Speaker 1: a brilliant actor. I was so excited to get her
Speaker 1: on the podcast. We recorded this on Zoom. I think
Speaker 1: you're going to Basically this is one of the great episodes.
Speaker 1: She was effing amazing. She gave such brilliant answers. I
Speaker 1: was so grateful for the amount of thought and time
Speaker 1: she put into this. Honestly, I mean you'll hear. If
Speaker 1: you don't like this one, you're an absolute idiot. It's
Speaker 1: one of the great I hope you enjoy it as
Speaker 1: much as I did. So that is it for now.
Speaker 1: I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty three of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is me
Speaker 1: of Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
Speaker 1: a radio actor, a stage actor, a TV actor, a
Speaker 1: film actor, a legend, an assistant to the doctor, a hero,
Speaker 1: a leader, the future of humanity, and the greatest person
Speaker 1: on the screen at this moment. Please welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: It's the brilliant bow back. What's an intro? The greatest
Speaker 1: person on the screen at the moment? Part from yourself, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: including including myself. It is a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. How are you. I'm very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good. My arm hurts a little bit. I just
Speaker 1: had my second jab today. Yeah, it was like, thanks,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I think it's something to be very excited about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which which one do you get? Which one do you get?
Speaker 1: The good one? I've got the good one. Oh, you
Speaker 1: don't worry about minimal minimal side effects as far as
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I let's see throughout the
Speaker 1: course of this podcast, it could have sent me or
Speaker 1: at least I could blame it for that anyway. So
Speaker 1: let's see now those of you can't see pear hairliks
Speaker 1: fucking wicked. Thanks mate, We're having a look at the
Speaker 1: video just to see how good hairlocks. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is this is a new thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just go down the other day actually just yeah, just thought,
Speaker 1: why not let's just have a bit of fun, No,
Speaker 1: just jo let's enjoy our lives for god life. You know. Also,
Speaker 1: it's meant to be summer, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I'll get some brainburst the end of Pride month. Yes,
Speaker 1: come on then, And it's literally pissing you down. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think it's the fult
Speaker 1: of your hair. I'm not blaming that. That would There's
Speaker 1: been rumors that that is why I've stood by you. Now,
Speaker 1: what do I want to know about you before we
Speaker 1: get into this. Well, so I met you. For those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, we did a radio sitcom
Speaker 1: pilot for the pin we did. That's where I met you,
Speaker 1: and you had just finished doing Doctor Who. I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is what I want to know. I don't need to
Speaker 1: know about your experience with Doctor Who. What I'm interested
Speaker 1: in because to go from you were doing stage shows
Speaker 1: to suddenly being in Doctor which makes you pretty famous
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Was that a scary thing?
Speaker 1: Was it a great thing? How did you deal with
Speaker 1: all that suddenness of it? It was a madness, to
Speaker 1: be honest. Yeah, yeah, literally just sort of going from
Speaker 1: like one day just kind of bopping about doing my job, thinking, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on the West End stage. This is amazing. You know,
Speaker 1: this is probably the most exciting job I'm never going
Speaker 1: to have in you know, just happily walking around you know,
Speaker 1: central London, just enjoying life in between shows and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, being as ridiculous as I wanted to
Speaker 1: be without anyone looking at me. Just suddenly being like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's loads of people outside stage door every time I
Speaker 1: finished the show, Whenever I go down the street, like
Speaker 1: it was quite mad. It's literally yeah, it did feel
Speaker 1: like wow, this is a lot. And also I hadn't
Speaker 1: even started filming yet, so I was a bit like
Speaker 1: I don't even really know. They're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: so what's your character, like like tell me this, tell
Speaker 1: me this, and I don't have anything to say. Like
Speaker 1: a trailer. I was like, I was there for about
Speaker 1: I was there for about a day, which was mental,
Speaker 1: but also it was all such a blur because I
Speaker 1: was so nervous, and then I couldn't tell anyone about it.
Speaker 1: So I kind of like minimized the experience of filming
Speaker 1: that trailer trailer because it was so intense and like
Speaker 1: so crazy. I kind of like can't really remember any
Speaker 1: of it apart from how mad it was. So I
Speaker 1: was literally just there like I honestly have nothing to
Speaker 1: offer you, and they're still like, oh no, but it's
Speaker 1: really really exciting. It's so exciting, and I mean it
Speaker 1: was amazing. You know, it's like an amazing family to
Speaker 1: be part of. Like the fans are like so dedicated,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. But it was just quite weird, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just totally didn't expect that to happen.
Speaker 1: Like I was sitting at my friends. My friend was
Speaker 1: like helping out in a shop and used to work
Speaker 1: in a shopp in Brixton Inton Village, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just sitting in by her while she was like
Speaker 1: having I think she just went to the lou or
Speaker 1: something and she's like, oh, you mind just staying in here.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, something popped in and was like
Speaker 1: really really really excited and it's like this this French guy,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: so out of the ordinary. I think I've just been
Speaker 1: to the gym or something. So I was like sitting
Speaker 1: there like a bit sweaty. I was like, you really
Speaker 1: really me? I mean I look like shit, but okay, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, basically that wasn't mad. And obviously it has
Speaker 1: calmed down a little bit now, or I've got a
Speaker 1: bit more used to it. I don't mean, yeah, do
Speaker 1: you just get used to it? How does it work?
Speaker 1: It just seems a lot. I don't really know, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I think it does still surprise me sometimes
Speaker 1: when people like stare at me when I'm walking, unless
Speaker 1: I have braids like this, which case I'm like, obviously
Speaker 1: you've been like yeah, I look you look at because
Speaker 1: I look at But yeah, sometimes I think, especially like
Speaker 1: when I go to new places and like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes like as a black woman, you're like, are you
Speaker 1: staring at black and you don't want me to be here?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you recognize it. Okay, cool, that's fine, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as it's like but yeah, it can be
Speaker 1: sometimes it's still quite like disconcerting when people like you
Speaker 1: that someone did it to me yesterday and that it hasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I just haven't been well, no
Speaker 1: one's been around, no one's been out in ages. So
Speaker 1: it was I was like, oh, I was just sitting
Speaker 1: down after I got my vaccination, and I definitely I
Speaker 1: was like, you, fully, I can see, I can see
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'm not. And then like his Nate said,
Speaker 1: around look really like obviously it was like and I
Speaker 1: did believe they don't really I don't think maybe even
Speaker 1: like they weren't huge fans, they didn't come up to
Speaker 1: me and for anything. But you still like, sometimes that's
Speaker 1: a bit weird as well, because I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: I was just now I'm just sitting here, quite fair
Speaker 1: that it's looking at me every now I guess I
Speaker 1: don't really know. Yeah. The worst is the worst is
Speaker 1: when someone says something like I saw you in that
Speaker 1: show and you go okay, and then they don't say
Speaker 1: anything and you're like, yeah, so I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you enjoyed that show. You're literally just like me
Speaker 1: in the show. Just a statement of fact, I saw
Speaker 1: you in that show. Can you even remember? Watch how
Speaker 1: it was? Yeah? Okay, Oh you're the actress from that show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, could be, could be, I could be
Speaker 1: someone else. Really depends if you like that particular show
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, before before I concur on this way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been you've just been filming. Can you talk about
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us anything or is it secrets? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can talk? Why not? I mean sure, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: been filming an ITV detective drama. Very Are you the detective?
Speaker 1: What's happened? I am? I am one of one of
Speaker 1: a couple of detectives. Yeah, Ben Aldridge Ben Aldridge, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we just literally just came off it like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I think it's called The Long Hall. It's very much
Speaker 1: kind of exploring the character that Ben plays his life
Speaker 1: as a gay man who's been sort of shunned from
Speaker 1: his community, which are like the community which is a
Speaker 1: sect of the Christian Church that are quite extreme um
Speaker 1: and sort of him having sort of been ostracized from
Speaker 1: them and left and then coming back, you know, and
Speaker 1: then sort of moving back to his hometown and then
Speaker 1: having this murder that kind of it like encourages well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't encourages him, kind of forces him to kind
Speaker 1: of go back to his community and kind of confront
Speaker 1: some truths and within that, I'm might play ds generafity
Speaker 1: you who was also moved to Devon, to North Devon,
Speaker 1: went to where it's set because she's sort of looking
Speaker 1: for a better life for her and her kids. So
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of soul searching here and there,
Speaker 1: and there's quite a lot of parallels drawn between their
Speaker 1: own lives and kind of they used a lot of
Speaker 1: their own kind of experiences to investigate the investigation. Investigate,
Speaker 1: investigator to just stop to investigate. Shouldn't know. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what that actually sounds fucking great. You really
Speaker 1: really so very well and I would like to see that.
Speaker 1: May I asked this, did you film in Devon? We
Speaker 1: filmed in Bristol and in Devon. Yeah, so we were
Speaker 1: in Bristol for seven weeks and then went down to
Speaker 1: Devon for three weeks, which was really nice actually, I
Speaker 1: mean I genuinely had a lovely time filming it. It
Speaker 1: was an amazement and just just had loads of jokes,
Speaker 1: you know, just you know when you just have one
Speaker 1: of them lovely, lovely jobs that you're like, this doesn't
Speaker 1: actually feel like work, even though obviously when you know
Speaker 1: the work itself it was quite serious because you know
Speaker 1: it's a serious subject matter, but around it, you know,
Speaker 1: we just had a lovely time. Like the director was
Speaker 1: amazing and just let us, you know, sort of have
Speaker 1: a really nice time playing around with it and make
Speaker 1: us feel really comfortable and really open. And is your
Speaker 1: experience you've done a lot more, a lot more hardcore
Speaker 1: drama than myself. Is your experience making dramas that between
Speaker 1: takes you can have a laugh, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun or is it usually heavy, heavy all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I have done a lot more
Speaker 1: serious drama, I'm not sure. I think I think it
Speaker 1: very much depends show to show, regardless of what the
Speaker 1: content is. I mean, I did an episode of Friday
Speaker 1: and I dinner and that's heavy, heavy drama. Heavy no,
Speaker 1: and that's really serious drama. And actually no one spoke
Speaker 1: to each other exactly know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: kind of thought, you know, maybe that was the case,
Speaker 1: because I think that's something that people say quite a lot,
Speaker 1: isn't it. They're like, oh, you know, within when it's
Speaker 1: a comedy, there's kind of no room for you behind
Speaker 1: the scenes because everyone's trying to make their comedy work
Speaker 1: on that. But we had a lovely time and you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing Boggle upstairs in the green room and having
Speaker 1: jokes and you know, you as your Buggle games strong,
Speaker 1: not as strong as all of their right, this is
Speaker 1: some real fucking behind the scenes ship going down here.
Speaker 1: That's a real like that's gonna be front past that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got a real exclusive here about the
Speaker 1: Friday that idea of Boggle games. Yeah, yeah, I am
Speaker 1: an idiot. I've forgotten to tell you something. Okay, well
Speaker 1: i've forgotten. I should I should have actually really told you.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have texted it to you before we
Speaker 1: started or something, because I feel like we're recording that.
Speaker 1: It's it's awkward that I've left it this late. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna have to say it, and I hope it's okay,
Speaker 1: but we've got to go for it, and i'll see
Speaker 1: how see how I respond. Yeah, there's no pressure on
Speaker 1: how you respond. I'll just give you. I'll just say
Speaker 1: it and then you've been deal with. However you you've
Speaker 1: died it, okay, Yeah, I'm so sorry. All right, that's
Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished that filming. I hope they're not
Speaker 1: expecting any pickups or radio well fingers crossed, because you know,
Speaker 1: if they do, then they will have to get I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm kind of double. How did you die?
Speaker 1: It was? I think it's quite sad. Actually I don't.
Speaker 1: You probably don't know this about me, but I've been
Speaker 1: allergic to shellfish since I was twenty one, which is
Speaker 1: it was early about two minutes ago. Anyway, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, but it's um. It's been. It's been
Speaker 1: a real plight of my existence. I love shellfish, or
Speaker 1: I did before. Yes, please tell me what happened between
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one. If you're eating shellfishness couldn't eat
Speaker 1: just one day. It was like, this is not good, bad, time,
Speaker 1: very serious allergic reaction, which is progressed because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just prawns. Nah, tried to eat some muscles,
Speaker 1: tried to eat a few other bits and bobs, it's
Speaker 1: all of that. It's so um. Yeah. I just basically
Speaker 1: reached the end of my tether and was like, do
Speaker 1: you know what. I've only had lobster once. It was delicious.
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: be that bad for me. So I smashed loads of
Speaker 1: lobster and if I can kill me like an instant.
Speaker 1: It was slow. It was slow and painful. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah in a restaurant. Yeah, kind of, you know, all
Speaker 1: the air was sort of sucked out of me. But
Speaker 1: I was kind of puffy but also dehydrated, sort of. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who were you with? I was with my mum christ Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but she was sitting there going
Speaker 1: told you so, I shouldn't have eating the lobster. So
Speaker 1: she had some pleasure, at least the satisfaction of I
Speaker 1: told you so, maybe a little bit. I don't know
Speaker 1: how she feels about it now, but I would say
Speaker 1: a shout, but I can't. What was it you looked
Speaker 1: like you were about to say, and I'm really sorry
Speaker 1: I realized I cut you off. Sorry, I was just
Speaker 1: looked a bit like, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever used those emojis that like kind of like
Speaker 1: octopuses with expressions. Yeah, they also look a bit like
Speaker 1: a wrinkled bulls at yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I looked like, A bit like that, a
Speaker 1: little bit in places, you know, and a little bit
Speaker 1: more shriveled in other places. But yeah, it was It's
Speaker 1: not pretty, It's not it wasn't an open calasket, you know. Wow. Wow, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. That's um really one of the worst
Speaker 1: ways to go. We've we've had. Do you do you
Speaker 1: worry about Do you worry about death? Pecky? I don't, necessarily,
Speaker 1: I don't worry about my own death. I don't think,
Speaker 1: um well, I mean, you know, apart from this whole
Speaker 1: year that we've just had where death seemed to be
Speaker 1: around the corner for everyone and that was quite scary.
Speaker 1: But again, I think that wasn't so much worrying about me.
Speaker 1: That was more worrying about transmitting the virus to someone
Speaker 1: else that would then die. You know, like more worried
Speaker 1: about sort of you know, my mum and other people
Speaker 1: just you know, other older, more vulnerable people and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, but I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily worry about the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm going to die. What do you think happens when
Speaker 1: you die? A don I just need to die in it?
Speaker 1: Just that blackout? I think so. I mean, i'd like
Speaker 1: to think that there is I'm not I'm not a
Speaker 1: religious person, but I do believe in like sort of
Speaker 1: like harma and the kind of you know, being nice
Speaker 1: to people and then nice things will come back to you.
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily I think that that's a way
Speaker 1: to live your life and then you get the reward
Speaker 1: at death. I feel like that's a way to live
Speaker 1: your life instead of incarnation. You think it all happens
Speaker 1: within the one life. You're good people, people are good
Speaker 1: to you, you get the rewards as it were, that
Speaker 1: Heaven promises you get in your life. I think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean I do, I don't know. I do
Speaker 1: feel like I've had like my godmother was very very
Speaker 1: close to me, and she died when I was nineteen.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, probably in my second year of UNI.
Speaker 1: And I still like, I still talk to her, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I still sometimes, you know, have conversations, and I feel
Speaker 1: I still feel her around, not in like a weird
Speaker 1: ghostly way, but in a in a nice way in
Speaker 1: the you know, I feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that she supported me doing, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was just really really supportive throughout my whole journey and
Speaker 1: my whole life. Really she was like another parent to me.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's just me manifesting that
Speaker 1: because I miss her, you know, or if that is
Speaker 1: because I believe that she is somewhere having my time.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I do feel like when set
Speaker 1: think happen, I do feel like she is there, which
Speaker 1: is nice. But maybe that's because I wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you know what I mean? I
Speaker 1: do know exactly what you mean, and I really love it.
Speaker 1: And I often wonder about that, and I almost think
Speaker 1: there's a I can't get my head around the idea
Speaker 1: of nothing. There's nothing, it's nothing in black nothing black. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think partly the reason I've read things where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's just the sort of arrogance of
Speaker 1: humans that we go, but we must be so important,
Speaker 1: there must be more. But I think I think it's more.
Speaker 1: It's partly more to do with like a to do
Speaker 1: with energy. That energy doesn't end, so if you're yeah,
Speaker 1: the energy of you goes, it goes somewhere else. But
Speaker 1: also the memory of people, just the sheer memory of
Speaker 1: people is in some way them living on, like that
Speaker 1: they're yeah, talking about your if you believe in there's
Speaker 1: nothing after it, but you still talk to your godmother
Speaker 1: Like that's interesting in terms of either she's literally a
Speaker 1: presence there or I don't know, Yeah, you uninfested something
Speaker 1: that I don't know, but it's fascinating. I love it.
Speaker 1: But then also I think, like you know, kind of
Speaker 1: the magic of it is. And I think the fascination
Speaker 1: that human the human race death is that we don't
Speaker 1: not it's completely known and we don't you know, And
Speaker 1: it is about belief and what we believe and what
Speaker 1: it's essentially what that belief makes us do, and like
Speaker 1: how that translates into our behavior and how that translates
Speaker 1: into our day to day existence, like whether or not
Speaker 1: I believe that she is somewhere or whether or not
Speaker 1: I believe that there isn't anything. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: quite amalgamate the two feelings, but I think both of
Speaker 1: them help me potentially. I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 1: and I think it's sort of that kind of fascination.
Speaker 1: I think also, you know, I'm very much like I'm
Speaker 1: not like no, I totally disagree with all religions and
Speaker 1: you know, all people thinking that. I think, if you know,
Speaker 1: if it helps you to believe, if it helps you
Speaker 1: to be a better person to everyone in reality, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean believe in heaven and hell and you know,
Speaker 1: but if it, you know, if it makes you tell
Speaker 1: me that I'm going to be I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to hell for doing you know, things that you deem terrible,
Speaker 1: then I think that's just personal judgment essentially. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's where that's that's where we need a
Speaker 1: Channel five documentary when when religions go back, Yes, well
Speaker 1: I got good dudes for you. Yeah, okay, got them.
Speaker 1: There is a heaven. It's fucking great and you get
Speaker 1: in you are you got right played at the time,
Speaker 1: because I'd happily be wearing these forever. You're wearing the
Speaker 1: braids forever. The thing is they're locked in forever now
Speaker 1: you wear them every day in heaven. Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And and heaven's got your favorite things in it. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite thing? Like? I mean soup dumplings. Soup dumplings. Right,
Speaker 1: everything is made from soup dumplings. It's messy. It's going
Speaker 1: to get messing everywhere. Soup dumpling's perfect. Temberton. Nothing's burning you.
Speaker 1: But you can eat. You could you have chairs are
Speaker 1: made of soup dumpling. You can eat as you see it.
Speaker 1: Everything it's a dumpling heaven. And in this heaven everyone's
Speaker 1: very excited to see you, but they won't talk about
Speaker 1: your life through the film. And the first thing they
Speaker 1: want to know is what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 1: Pearl Macky. I think the first film that I remember
Speaker 1: seeing is Meet Me in Saint Louis that you know what?
Speaker 1: That has never come up? So already twenty points for you,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Didn't know this was a point
Speaker 1: scoring exercise, but I'm very glad it is. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very much a competition. You didn't know you'd entered a
Speaker 1: bit so far cracking start. I love a competition. Let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, I mean, I don't. I mean I
Speaker 1: watched a couple of early films up quite early on
Speaker 1: in my life. I remember having quite distinct memories of
Speaker 1: like my mum platting my hair on a Sunday night
Speaker 1: after she'd washed it before school, probably like when I
Speaker 1: was about five or six. But as we used to
Speaker 1: do this, you know, every week for so much of
Speaker 1: my life until I decided that I wanted to try
Speaker 1: and do my hamma's elf. So you know, there's a strong,
Speaker 1: like twelve thirteen years of that kind of happening. But
Speaker 1: when I was younger, there were a couple of films
Speaker 1: that are on rotation, but I think Meet Me and
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is the one I really I really remember.
Speaker 1: It really really stood out for me. It's one of
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of my favorite films as well,
Speaker 1: probably because it was one of the earliest. So would
Speaker 1: it would it? Would it have been specifically your mum
Speaker 1: put it on or it was just on while you
Speaker 1: were you were there? I think no, my mum put
Speaker 1: it on. Definitely we had it know that she I
Speaker 1: think recorded off the TV. We used to do load
Speaker 1: of that, But yeah, I think I think she recorded
Speaker 1: it off the TV and would put it on, probably
Speaker 1: because I think she'd probably ask. I don't think we
Speaker 1: had many videos that were she loves films, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think they know if we had a
Speaker 1: huge amount of like kids, but there was a couple
Speaker 1: that I loved and I she would be like, which,
Speaker 1: what what do you want to watch? And I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I want to watch mo mean Saint Louis, and I
Speaker 1: just I just love it. I mean, I think just
Speaker 1: like just the young the young girl in it. I
Speaker 1: think it's Margaret O'Brien plays two tea. It's just brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's just so it's so not what I would have thought,
Speaker 1: like early early twentieth century family in Saint Louis in
Speaker 1: America would be like and it's always really at the
Speaker 1: beginning in the scene where the beginning and she's there
Speaker 1: making a catch up and I'm saying it's too sweet
Speaker 1: and too sour, and it's like it's hilarious. It just
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a lot of life in it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then like you meet Judy Garland, who
Speaker 1: is just I absolutely love Judie Garland like, I love
Speaker 1: her a lot. I think I just said she's just magical.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a real like there's just
Speaker 1: an amazing quality that really draws you in. I mean
Speaker 1: it's probably vulnerability and all of the shit that she
Speaker 1: was going through while she made all of these amazing films,
Speaker 1: and the horrible pressure and all the drugs and all
Speaker 1: of that. Did you watch it? Do you remember thinking
Speaker 1: I want to do that. I want to be a right, right,
Speaker 1: because you're also a dancer, right, I'm not a dancer. No,
Speaker 1: I says that on my Wikipedia page. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: my friends finds that possibly the funniest thing about me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could dance, but I'm not a but
Speaker 1: I am a singer. And yeah, I remember watching Judy
Speaker 1: Garland sing the Trolley Song and be like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is that that is? I want to do that?
Speaker 1: I think it was just like it's just a feeling
Speaker 1: it gave me. It just made me feel like really
Speaker 1: like really happy, but really in gauged. And she's like
Speaker 1: she's telling the story through this song and it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's I mean, it's completely staged, but it feels
Speaker 1: kind of like it's not which is great. It feels
Speaker 1: sort of a bit gossipy and a bit amazing, and
Speaker 1: it's quite fizzy and a bit magical. And then at
Speaker 1: the end when when he gets on the trolley and
Speaker 1: she sees him and she's like, oh my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I was like, I remember, like I was
Speaker 1: like that feel I was like, I'm so with you
Speaker 1: on your journey as a five year old, even though
Speaker 1: I totally don't understand really any of those feelings. I
Speaker 1: was like, you've managed to communicate this to me, and
Speaker 1: I think that is incredible, and you made me feel
Speaker 1: happy and sad and a bit scared for you, but
Speaker 1: also really excited through just this one song and then
Speaker 1: you know, subsequently through the rest of the film and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I want to make people feel that,
Speaker 1: like you've made me feel things. I want to make
Speaker 1: people feel things. I think that's really cool, absolutely incredible answer,
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Gets worse from here. Okay, good. That
Speaker 1: is some high bar you're setting. Is What about what
Speaker 1: about crying? What's the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: Do you crazily? I do crazily at a film? Yeah, yeah, life?
Speaker 1: Not in life. No, I didn't used to crib very
Speaker 1: easily in life. But I think I'm getting a bit
Speaker 1: soft as i'm getting older because I do. Yeah, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think crying is very healthy. I think
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. I think we should encourage people
Speaker 1: to cry more. I think it's very cathartic. And I mean,
Speaker 1: who doesn't feel better after a cry? You know, I
Speaker 1: think it's good. I probably don't cry enough, but I
Speaker 1: think I am getting better at it. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's usually like things that I'm like, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: a bit anyway, feeling a bit iffy, feeling a bit
Speaker 1: like a little bit upset about something, a bit angry.
Speaker 1: Often cry because angry that is that's a that's a thing. Um.
Speaker 1: But then something will trigger it, like a film or
Speaker 1: you know, an advert or something silly stupid sentimental meme
Speaker 1: or something, and I'll be like, god, yeah you go
Speaker 1: I need I needed that. Yeah, yeah, you're just like
Speaker 1: thanks for that. Sweet. I mean, no, I'm on the bus,
Speaker 1: but it's cool handle it. So what's the film that
Speaker 1: made film? I think that made me cry the most
Speaker 1: is a film called fruit Vale Station. Have you seeing it?
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan? Yeah, deep it's so deep. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's like well, I mean, I think it's a
Speaker 1: great film, But I think what's great about it is
Speaker 1: the like the realism. I don't think the storytelling is
Speaker 1: a phenomenal out of this world. That's why it's constructing,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the construct of That is what made
Speaker 1: me cry. But I think it's just how real it is.
Speaker 1: And I mean I watched it about seven years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know, seven eight years ago. I watched it
Speaker 1: by myself in my friends flat that I was living
Speaker 1: in at the time, just one evening, I was at
Speaker 1: home by myself and watched it. And I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: to be fair, if I watched it now, you know,
Speaker 1: with the subject matter of a young black man getting
Speaker 1: shot by the police in a way that's well, not
Speaker 1: an accident but it's easily preventable, is something that we
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it would make me cry
Speaker 1: any less now. And I feel like I wept. I
Speaker 1: was weeping sort of halfway through the film, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's just the story of him with his daughter and
Speaker 1: his girlfriend is just really lovely but also really real.
Speaker 1: You know, they're kind of going through some shit and
Speaker 1: it's tough, and then just you know when when it
Speaker 1: happens and he's on the train and you're just like,
Speaker 1: this is just awful. And I was just I think
Speaker 1: I was just after it. I think I cried for
Speaker 1: about half an hour, like so I was like, it's
Speaker 1: sobbing on the sofa, like it was awful. I was
Speaker 1: just and I think I think because I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, this is not over. This is not a
Speaker 1: one off thing that happened. This is something that happens
Speaker 1: a lot. And I mean I think probably since then,
Speaker 1: it's maybe I don't know if it's the numbers of escalated,
Speaker 1: but well they have escalated, but also they I think
Speaker 1: it's becoming more in the public eye, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like obviously it was George Floyd last year. I was like,
Speaker 1: it just it seemed like everyone kind of went, this
Speaker 1: is just no sort of it became just too much
Speaker 1: to bear really, and I think, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a weird one. I think I still remember how I
Speaker 1: felt then watching it, and I think that very much
Speaker 1: sort of translated into how I felt about George Floyd
Speaker 1: and that whole all the whole Black Lives Matter amazing
Speaker 1: movement but the kind of the fight and the kind
Speaker 1: of everyone was just like, fuck this ship, this is
Speaker 1: not okay anymore. We can't we can't just sit here
Speaker 1: and and just let this happen because it's like and
Speaker 1: it was so blatant and and I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: watch the video, but I was like, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to watch the video. I
Speaker 1: don't don't. I didn't need that. I didn't need to
Speaker 1: be like educated in how fucking awful this is and
Speaker 1: how again easily preventable it was. Yeah, and well, I
Speaker 1: mean this is always going to be a deep question,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah. I mean, you know most people say
Speaker 1: et but yes, I don't know. I mean I think
Speaker 1: I think I do respond to films that are quite
Speaker 1: I mean close to home isn't even necessarily the right
Speaker 1: thing to say, but that are close to real life
Speaker 1: and that are about things that have happened to my people.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is something that I do really
Speaker 1: really respond to. Is I mean, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: real and if if if it's done well, like you know,
Speaker 1: Fregil Station is a great film. It is it is
Speaker 1: really it's it's really worldhold and I think if it's done,
Speaker 1: it just feels like that feels like that is a
Speaker 1: real story. That. Yeah, and it's interesting it stayed with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that loves it that with everything that happens in real life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that film stayed with you as well. It's very
Speaker 1: very interesting. What is the film you DoD? I mean,
Speaker 1: listen fide mate, Yeah, I mean, I don't know where
Speaker 1: we're going to go from here. Let's see what's the
Speaker 1: film that scared you the most? Okay, for goodness takes,
Speaker 1: I can't really handle horror films at all. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just stuck and tell you this now, going to put
Speaker 1: it out there. Get scared very easily, Okay, like really
Speaker 1: really easily. So I've got a few sort of films
Speaker 1: to choose from here. I think the biggest like jump, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had is um watching What Lies Beneath? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. What's that film in the cinema with my
Speaker 1: cousin who also doesn't like horror films? I don't know
Speaker 1: why did we watch it? I mean I think it
Speaker 1: was it was out at the time, and we were like, cool,
Speaker 1: we're in la room like Santa Monica. When it's going
Speaker 1: to stay with my auntie who was working over there
Speaker 1: at the time, so we were out. I mean we
Speaker 1: just thought we were like the coolest name ever yea,
Speaker 1: walking around in like pink bandanas and ship and thinking
Speaker 1: that we were cool for being in the shopping mall.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Sounds cool. But yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was on and it was a Harrison Ford Michelle fIF Fifer. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course you're going smooky, some spooky kind of smooky,
Speaker 1: smoky smoothing. There is some spitching and some spooky smooching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's what spooky smoky in a word, it's
Speaker 1: very heavy on the smoke snooky hello. But I think
Speaker 1: it's that bit, isn't it. I think it's that when
Speaker 1: she comes out of the bath or something. It's around
Speaker 1: the smooky. Yeah, there's but like these I screamed and
Speaker 1: jumped out of my seat, both of us and like
Speaker 1: it's like a cartoon, like like flung around around each other.
Speaker 1: We're like literally screaming um and I mean and everyone
Speaker 1: laughed in the cinema. It wasn't that busy because it
Speaker 1: was like probably showing because we were thirteen, probably have
Speaker 1: to go home quiet, like my mom and my aunt
Speaker 1: even waiting to like having a coffee down the road
Speaker 1: or something into Dak or so, so there wasn't that
Speaker 1: many people in the cinemas, which was also quite scary.
Speaker 1: Found that quite scary too. Yeah, but it was just,
Speaker 1: you know, it was really just creepy. It just really
Speaker 1: creeped me out. And it's like it's a smoky movie.
Speaker 1: It's smoking, it's smoking. But I mean, this is not
Speaker 1: I feel like this is not a standalone one. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, as I'm out here embarrassing myself,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go a bit further and tell you
Speaker 1: that I was terrified of Hooker's focus until I was
Speaker 1: about well, you know, listens the Disney film About Which
Speaker 1: is the Disney film About Which? And the thing is like,
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant film, And like I would say, if
Speaker 1: I watch it again, I've seen clips, haven't seen the
Speaker 1: whole thing, probably gonna still be a bit scared. But
Speaker 1: it's sick. But like when Sarah Jessica Parker is running
Speaker 1: flying down the street on a hoover singing, come little children,
Speaker 1: I'll take you away. No, no, I'm sorry, that's scary.
Speaker 1: That is scary for a child I mean, maybe not
Speaker 1: most children, but it's it freaked me out. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a film on paper that is about which is
Speaker 1: and it's totally legit. It came out Halloween Halloween that
Speaker 1: it is meant to be scary. It's one of those
Speaker 1: ones you'd watch it at a sleepover and probably both
Speaker 1: other people will be asleep by the time we got
Speaker 1: to the scary bit and it would just be me
Speaker 1: on my own, fucking I didn't hind a fucking pillow,
Speaker 1: being like, well, what if she comes to take it away?
Speaker 1: Who is here to save me? Carrie Bradshaw comes on.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Oh I got a better Middler's Teeth as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely one of the scariest films of all the time.
Speaker 1: You're correct. Well, also, they are making a Hoperspocus too,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to watch it because it is actually brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's you're brave enough for spokers too? I am. I
Speaker 1: think I'm probably going to be scared again. But do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm ready for that? Yes, it back
Speaker 1: after you see it, shivery. It was so scary. Middler's Teeth,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I don't know how. I don know how
Speaker 1: they get to top it, but trickyd maybe Dyson. Oh hello,
Speaker 1: I could probably really fly to be fair. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the film that people don't generally like? It's not
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally. Friday, Love Friday.
Speaker 1: Friday a great film. It's film hilarious, so funny, but
Speaker 1: it's not critically acclaimed as it didn't win the Oscars.
Speaker 1: It should have, thank you, thank you. Comedy films rarely do.
Speaker 1: But that's a whole that's the whole other thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, man, Friday is just great. Friday is
Speaker 1: just hilarious. You know, I feel like act to the plays.
Speaker 1: The dad in Friday is some just has some of
Speaker 1: the most comedy lines ever, you know, and he's like
Speaker 1: whatever I can't in the kitchen, you and Gideon. He's
Speaker 1: not all the food. It's like, I just I like,
Speaker 1: I love it. I could. It still makes me laugh now.
Speaker 1: It's lovely, it's great, it's wonderful. What's I quote it?
Speaker 1: When I come out at the bathroom, where are you going?
Speaker 1: The kitchen, all the rooms in the house. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. It's sucking great. What's the film that
Speaker 1: you used to love? You loved it a lot when
Speaker 1: you were younger, but you've watched it recently and you
Speaker 1: do not like it anymore for whatever reason that might be. Okay,
Speaker 1: so um, this is a bit wrong as well. But
Speaker 1: I watched it the other day La Confidential go on.
Speaker 1: Interesting answer. I haven't watched it in a very long time.
Speaker 1: I know it was good. No, well, Nora and I
Speaker 1: and it used to be like I was talking to
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I was like, look, she was like,
Speaker 1: oh in that like the first we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: what films should we watch? And this came up and
Speaker 1: I was like it's great, like we should and she's like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, like you know, not because blah blahlah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it's great, it's great. So
Speaker 1: we watched it like literally two days ago, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I used to I used to love it.
Speaker 1: I used to think it was like really interesting kind
Speaker 1: of insight into life in la and it was kind
Speaker 1: of the glamor but the seediness and the four ease
Speaker 1: and you know, that was all quite fascinating for me.
Speaker 1: And the kind of the whole like tense detective of
Speaker 1: the crimes that you know, the two detectives coming together
Speaker 1: from opposite sides of this idea of detectivedom, which is
Speaker 1: also a word. Yea, yeah, Well I watched it again
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm sorry, but none of the
Speaker 1: female characters in this film have any agency tall at all.
Speaker 1: They're all kind of these sort of secondary, kind of
Speaker 1: submissive like kind of wet blankets. Really that they're all
Speaker 1: like secretaries or prostitutes basically, or that are really or
Speaker 1: dead or like really ugly and stupid. Well, the only one,
Speaker 1: the only female character with any agency is the real
Speaker 1: Lana Turner, who then throws a drink at Guy Pierce
Speaker 1: character because he doesn't think that she is whom she is.
Speaker 1: So what is I mean worth that saying that you
Speaker 1: only have any agency as a woman if you're a
Speaker 1: famous white movie star. No, No, that also, I've kind
Speaker 1: of forgotten like the level of racism in it, Like
Speaker 1: I understand that they're sort of what they're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: because they the police, you know, the corrupt head of police.
Speaker 1: Hope not spoiling it for anyone, but it's quite an
Speaker 1: odd film. The chief, the chief of police or whatever
Speaker 1: like basically pins this murder on these three black suspects.
Speaker 1: Who then are like manipulated horribly, and then it turns
Speaker 1: out that they're rapists anyway, so they have also done
Speaker 1: something bad. They are actually terrible people. And then and
Speaker 1: then their shot kind of in an accidental shootout, but
Speaker 1: also that was sort of always the plan anyway. And
Speaker 1: then there's the only other people of color are a
Speaker 1: group of Mexican people who get beaten up at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the film. But then the only sort of
Speaker 1: consequence of that is that it gets photographed and then
Speaker 1: puts on the front put on the front page of
Speaker 1: the newspaper, being like, oh my god, the lapd are
Speaker 1: really bad. Not anything to do with these people. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, I know that it's sort of
Speaker 1: showing this as a period piece, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of going, look, this is the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: happened in the forties, but you know, going back to
Speaker 1: what we're talking about before about rutbal station and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like, this shit still happens, And was actually just
Speaker 1: enraging to watch it happens so blatantly in front of
Speaker 1: my eyes, And also was like, you couldn't make this
Speaker 1: film now, thankfully, you know. I do think the sort
Speaker 1: of film industry is changing for the better. I was
Speaker 1: still what a long way to go, but I think
Speaker 1: it is changing, And I thought I kind of was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's sort of a period piece of
Speaker 1: the nineties making a period piece, like it's sort of
Speaker 1: that's interesting, you know what I mean. I was kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there going this is made me going, hey,
Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety seventh idea of this. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: we looked at it from you know, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: I think about what you were. But if we looked
Speaker 1: at it from now, we would be like, hold on,
Speaker 1: we need to make a different We need to make
Speaker 1: it maybe a different film, but all we need to
Speaker 1: the way we're framing this narrative needs to be very,
Speaker 1: very different and far less flippant to all of these. Essentially,
Speaker 1: another brilliant answer I'm going to give do you know what?
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you forty for that answer? Hello? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: quite well, you do you do phenomenally. Well, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: That about the flippancy. I think that's a really good
Speaker 1: word for it, and they're really good. That's a good
Speaker 1: thing for anyone making something to keep in mind that
Speaker 1: work that's great because you're right about period stuff. It's
Speaker 1: all well and good saying yes, but it was like
Speaker 1: that then it's still how you're your friend. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you're doing to show it still like you're still kind
Speaker 1: of glorifying that level of Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're entirely
Speaker 1: I mean, you're still showing it. You can't just can't
Speaker 1: put a lens on it. You have to, you have
Speaker 1: to come from something. You're you're still the storyteller, You're
Speaker 1: still I always think that's interesting when you watch stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like you can tell everything about the person who
Speaker 1: is telling the story. Yeah, you know what the story is,
Speaker 1: and yeah, totally, there's not much. There's a few things
Speaker 1: I've watched in my life from like the person that
Speaker 1: made this is fucking horrible. Yeah I can. I can
Speaker 1: tell like their soul is bad. And even if the
Speaker 1: film was about a nice thing, I'm like, you're bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's interesting, Yeah, I totally
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. What's the film that means
Speaker 1: the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is
Speaker 1: any good, but the experience you had around seeing the
Speaker 1: film always makes it special to you. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: will say toy story. Okay, because I went to see it,
Speaker 1: I think it must have been the first one this
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the first one. I went
Speaker 1: to see it with my best friend at the time
Speaker 1: and her parents and her little sister, and we were
Speaker 1: like twelve. I think I'm probably aiding myself there, but
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone has the Internet, so yeah, we all
Speaker 1: know you're a dancer. Everyone knows I'm a dancer, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So we were we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we want to see at the front, and her parents
Speaker 1: will We don't really want to sit at the front.
Speaker 1: You go sit at the front. So we were quite
Speaker 1: excited because it felt like we were in the cinema
Speaker 1: by ourselves. Maybe we weren't twelve, who we were ten,
Speaker 1: because it feels like quite a basic thing to have
Speaker 1: happened at the age of twelve. But anyway, aside from that, well,
Speaker 1: so we were there sitting at the front, and I
Speaker 1: was on the left left hand side, not very good
Speaker 1: at my right and left. We could have just got
Speaker 1: away with that because you can't even see me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did check on the visuals. She did actually left
Speaker 1: hand I did it. Yeah, I did this one. I
Speaker 1: was on the left, so nearest to this other group
Speaker 1: of like ten year old boys, and halfway through our
Speaker 1: way through the film, the one who was sitting next
Speaker 1: to me was like, are you enjoying the film? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm usually like, don't talk to me anything. Well,
Speaker 1: what happened? Even then? I was like this is sacred.
Speaker 1: I loved this about you. And I was like so,
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this happening here? And he
Speaker 1: was like, are you scared? Do you want to hold
Speaker 1: my hand? And I was like, oh my god, my hand?
Speaker 1: Hang on? How old is this point? He's like ten
Speaker 1: as well, like we were. We were both young, Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't a weird creepy man doing and you you
Speaker 1: know you don't know him. I didn't know him right,
Speaker 1: but we were sitting next to each other in the
Speaker 1: cinema because he was at the one end of his
Speaker 1: group and I was one end at the other end
Speaker 1: of mine. Love it, love it? Are you scared you
Speaker 1: want to? Yeah? And I was like, well, hey, it's
Speaker 1: toy story, so not really Also maybe not Hope's focused,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? If it won't come
Speaker 1: back to me at Hope's focused? And then yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: but I was like, it was quite I think that
Speaker 1: was sort of the first like sort of approach that
Speaker 1: I'd ever had from a stranger. Um, So I was like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So then just like sat and help his boy's hand
Speaker 1: in the cinema for like a long time, like a
Speaker 1: lot the rest of the film, a little sweaty, tiny,
Speaker 1: little sweaty hands. But it was just quite sweet. And
Speaker 1: then afterwards after the film he got up and he said, okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: hoping not scared anymore by And I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: that was a cute. It was a cute little scenario,
Speaker 1: you know. I was the lights came on. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to do But then just sort of just
Speaker 1: kind of went away, which is really nice. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the best way that it could have been. I know,
Speaker 1: what sweek guy? What was week guymore? It's like that's nice.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't scared in the first place, but hey,
Speaker 1: you're not scared anymore. I'm going to follow you home,
Speaker 1: okay anymore because you're about to be. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was that was very sweet. So I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know a bit like me that's really really really love me.
Speaker 1: It's a nice six Pierce, it's a sixty point. Hello, god,
Speaker 1: this is a very high school episode. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Previous guests listening to this furious, absolutely
Speaker 1: kicking themselves. What's the film that you must relate to? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is quite a hard one. Actually I found this
Speaker 1: quite hard. I don't really think I've seen myself represented
Speaker 1: very much on film, especially as a young teenager. Definitely
Speaker 1: didn't really see my own experience reflected back at me.
Speaker 1: I would say a film that I saw really recently
Speaker 1: that I absolutely loved, that really really I went that
Speaker 1: was my school was Rocks. Oh fucking hell, that's a
Speaker 1: great film. That like such a good film. But like
Speaker 1: at the beginning when they're coming in and the teachers
Speaker 1: are like, sorry, no, what are those you know you
Speaker 1: need to know you can't say those doings out? Why
Speaker 1: are you wearing a d what those trainers? Take your
Speaker 1: sunglasses off? I was like, that was my school. I
Speaker 1: went to like a state school, state girls school in
Speaker 1: South London, Burntwood, and that was us every day, like
Speaker 1: rolling in with earrings on, being like oh no, like
Speaker 1: oh you know the head of the ears coming, take
Speaker 1: your earrings. I've perfected, like taking out hooked earrings with
Speaker 1: one hand each so they I and I was literally like,
Speaker 1: I think that was Had I seen that at the time,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, that's amazing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is like really representative of my experience. But even
Speaker 1: like some of the bits, like you know, when they're
Speaker 1: having a fight in the like the technol the food
Speaker 1: tech room or something, isn't it Like yeah, And I
Speaker 1: was like, this is so great. Um, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think testimony to the writer to ease my coco and
Speaker 1: like to all the young female actresses, you are they're phenomenal,
Speaker 1: but again, very real. It was very like that was probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably the film that I would say. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't relate to it now actively, but definitely
Speaker 1: I was like, fourteen year old me feels very seen
Speaker 1: and thank you for that. That's great. That's really great.
Speaker 1: It's a good film. Great, it feels it feels completely real.
Speaker 1: It feels so real. It was like it could be
Speaker 1: like a documentary. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so hard to
Speaker 1: do that as well. Yeah, it's really really good. Well, Mackie,
Speaker 1: what's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Oh? My god,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's quite a hard one. It's quite
Speaker 1: hard because again one of my answers was what I
Speaker 1: shouldn't was the top of it's the top of the bandlist,
Speaker 1: so I probably shouldn't say it. Oh you can say
Speaker 1: listen if you're if you if it's if it's by
Speaker 1: the way, for anyone who maybe needs this podcast. When
Speaker 1: she says the bandlist, it's just a load of films
Speaker 1: that come up a lot. So I've said, tried to
Speaker 1: avoid this. If you can't films that I think should
Speaker 1: be bad. Oh, yeah, I didn't even think that it would. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's a great films that everyone loves would come up
Speaker 1: a lot. If you if your true answer is then
Speaker 1: you can say it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Robin Hood the
Speaker 1: sex the Sexy Fox, what that is? Like, I'm laughing
Speaker 1: because it's so true. Of course it's inappropriate, but it's
Speaker 1: so good. It's so sexy. He's bit man, he's fit.
Speaker 1: It's funny. Like I was like, how do I get
Speaker 1: is like that? How do I like put like tea
Speaker 1: towels and shit on my head and be like, yeah, stunning,
Speaker 1: she's stunning, wild and also great. She's a great she's
Speaker 1: a strong woman. Yeah, we like that. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like when they're getting married that bit in the forest,
Speaker 1: it's like I was like, hello, hello, Yes, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I would definitely a hundred percent guys better both of
Speaker 1: you and animated. Yeah, yes, held my hand. I'm scared. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe don't hold my hand. Yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't
Speaker 1: touch me, don't take my hand. I'm so sorry. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a subcategory to this question, you know, okay, which
Speaker 1: God knows where this is going to take us? Traveling
Speaker 1: bone is worrying. Why don't a film you found a
Speaker 1: rousing you weren't sure you should, but you've opened with
Speaker 1: Robin Hood, so I don't know where we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that was probably the answer to
Speaker 1: the other question. But also I mean probably so slightly inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Um scarface, scarface, abutino scarface. Yeah, which which specific part
Speaker 1: in that is so fucking hot, like so hot, it's
Speaker 1: it's quite mad. And I mean I feel like the
Speaker 1: whole film I shouldn't have found arousing because of the content.
Speaker 1: And I mean I don't agree with it as a
Speaker 1: as a concept, you know, kinds and drugs and violence,
Speaker 1: but Michell five is fucking sexy's bucking that. Michelle Fiber
Speaker 1: is the most beautiful woman that's ever been put on screen.
Speaker 1: I mean probably, yeah, Yeah, I don't know what I
Speaker 1: do at that dress. Man, It's like, yep, the dress,
Speaker 1: it's the face. The woman can do no wrong. She's
Speaker 1: also an insanely brilliant actor. She is brilliant. What a talent,
Speaker 1: What a talent, Michelle, She's stunning, stunning. Yes, great answers
Speaker 1: around there four thousand points. I'm doing doing all right?
Speaker 1: You get minor point because I feel like I might.
Speaker 1: You can. We'll see where we go this. This is
Speaker 1: often one where people lose points. Objectively, this isn't your favorite.
Speaker 1: It's objectively the greatest film of all time. Objectively, Yeah,
Speaker 1: objectively is hard, isn't it? M Because it's hard. I
Speaker 1: think the whole purpose of films are to make you
Speaker 1: not feel objective. Yeah, and yet here we are, and
Speaker 1: yet I'm just stalling a little bit. I've got two
Speaker 1: very very very different answers. Okay, I'll pick one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, firstly, I do think singing in the Rain
Speaker 1: is magnificent. Is that where I've fallen down? That is
Speaker 1: where for the probably maybe the first or second time
Speaker 1: in the history of this podcast, you have got the
Speaker 1: answer one correct. Yes, fucking l Pale Mackey. It is
Speaker 1: just brilliant, I isn't it. It's just so it's objectively
Speaker 1: the greatest film of all time? Oh, I think it objectively?
Speaker 1: Is that is? People? It is objectively the greatest film
Speaker 1: of all time. People keep coming on here and saying
Speaker 1: The Godfather, and they are incorrect. The answer is singing
Speaker 1: in I think singing the Rains a lot better. It's
Speaker 1: just quite magical, isn't it. I mean, I think just
Speaker 1: all of the old Hollywood stuff, like the sort of
Speaker 1: Hollywood schooling that they go through with that him and
Speaker 1: his mate when they learned, like the elocution and all
Speaker 1: of that. And what's her name the one that Reynolds
Speaker 1: sings for, Oh she is? That is a brilliant bit
Speaker 1: of character acting. Funny, fucking hilarious. She's so jokes. Also
Speaker 1: that voice where that voice come from, It's like that,
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's so jokes. And like the you know,
Speaker 1: some of the dance sequences are like so impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're a dancer, you would know, like really impressive.
Speaker 1: The incideries similar level, you know. So, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: a film perfect? Lord standing? What was going to be
Speaker 1: your alternative? Because you don't need it. I don't need it,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to have to hear it. I
Speaker 1: was going to say good, but that is just personal.
Speaker 1: Oh god. I mean, if it's gonna not be Singing
Speaker 1: the Rain, it's gonna be good Fellas, right fucking It's
Speaker 1: just brilliants. I mean, Mackie smashing this out of the
Speaker 1: park and into the next room. Maybe we ain't finished
Speaker 1: yet though, genuinely unbelievable, unbelievable stuff. What's the film that
Speaker 1: you could or have? What's the most over and over again? Clueless? Lovely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I could probably like it word for word.
Speaker 1: I won't because it be here for a long time,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, a long episode. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: loved it. I think just that kind of I that
Speaker 1: sort of teenage like ridiculousness of them, But it was
Speaker 1: it was so far away from my own experience and
Speaker 1: also would they, like, you know, a good sort of
Speaker 1: four or five years older than me. So this is
Speaker 1: another film that I used to watch with my mum
Speaker 1: doing my hair. I just loved it. And like the
Speaker 1: soundtracks brilliant and like it's even hilarious going back to
Speaker 1: him watching it now because you look around and like
Speaker 1: you're like there's so many like you know the bit
Speaker 1: where she's like what is it? How? What is what? Guys?
Speaker 1: How do guys dressed today? Like what is this ship?
Speaker 1: And I'm looking around like like you know the park
Speaker 1: obviously where I live, And I'm like, you're not. Look,
Speaker 1: you've literally been cut and pasted from Clueless from that
Speaker 1: scene includes with your and your greasy hair and your
Speaker 1: backwards cap and you're like punk band T shirt, Like
Speaker 1: it's so exactly the same, which I find absolutely hilarious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so jokes, isn't it. It's so
Speaker 1: like frivolous, but also does make you feel quite warm,
Speaker 1: and it's ever so good. It is. It's ever so good.
Speaker 1: It's a winner on the other end of the scale. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't like to be negative. I don't think you
Speaker 1: do either, So let's keep it brief. What's the worst
Speaker 1: film you ever saw? Okay, Um, it's a bit out there,
Speaker 1: and I think my girlfriend might hate people saying this,
Speaker 1: but Lord of the Rings of the Final One, it
Speaker 1: ends about five times. It ends many more times than five.
Speaker 1: Did you know why what was so long? I watched
Speaker 1: it in a cinema. People were like, people are like, leave,
Speaker 1: you think that it's done, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and now they're back in the shire. Oh come on, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The whole trilogy in itself is
Speaker 1: quite long, but at least that one, you know, the
Speaker 1: other two have some kind of adventure. This one it's
Speaker 1: just a tiny bit adventure. And then they're just going home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they various sets of people need to hug in
Speaker 1: and jump on beds, well loads apparently every single I mean,
Speaker 1: I struggle with the basic now tive of Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings in terms of get a ring in a thing?
Speaker 1: Why does it take so long? I mean, exactly, get
Speaker 1: over there, get the ring in the thing, get the
Speaker 1: ring in the thing. The stakes ring needs to get
Speaker 1: in the thing. How long is it going to take
Speaker 1: They've dumbed it up in it twelve fucking hours, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's long. And also yeah, the last one, don't done it,
Speaker 1: and then another hour of hugging. They've done it, the
Speaker 1: film done, finish the film. But some people like my,
Speaker 1: my good friend Tim, He's like, I want to see
Speaker 1: more of them, like cooking meals together. Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just people do love it. But I people like
Speaker 1: watching watching elves cook together or something. Apparently so, and
Speaker 1: good luck to them, apparently so. And I'm sure and
Speaker 1: they I'm sure they loved it. But it's just my
Speaker 1: my personal opinion. Yes, that's pretty interesting. You picked the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you love one and two you bang into. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. No, Okay, what's the film that made
Speaker 1: you laugh the most? Okay, this is quite a weird
Speaker 1: one as well, but a film called about last Night. Yes,
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart and Regina Hall. They're so funny in it.
Speaker 1: I feel like the way that they just bounce off
Speaker 1: each other and they're just you know, obviously playing these
Speaker 1: two characters who kind of surpise each other but then
Speaker 1: end up sucking quite a lot and then end up
Speaker 1: but it's just they're just hilarious. They are hilarious. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think Regina Hall phenomenal anyway,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she's so funny. She's so funny and underrated
Speaker 1: and she's just they're just great. Their their chemistry is
Speaker 1: just brilliant. I mean me and my best friend went
Speaker 1: through a phase of watching that like so much. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, on a hungover Sunday would just be like,
Speaker 1: scare pizza and watch about last night, and it would
Speaker 1: always make us laugh. I can't vouch for the state
Speaker 1: of my brain after, however, many glasses of wine I
Speaker 1: had had the night before. But it was funny. Just
Speaker 1: love it. Crack me up. I'm giving you twenty twenty points.
Speaker 1: So way, Okay, I cannot tell you how brilliant you've been.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you because it would be rude to
Speaker 1: the other guests. I actually can't tell you. I can't
Speaker 1: tell I mean legally, I mean for the for the
Speaker 1: health of other people listening. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: brilliant you've been. But let's just say totting up the
Speaker 1: scores here, you've got four. It was an eighty. There
Speaker 1: there was a night four. You're looking at you're looking
Speaker 1: at we're in what we're looking at? You five thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred points? What hello? Wis sick? Which is the
Speaker 1: highest school we've ever had. Ually. However, however, Pearl, when
Speaker 1: you were out for dinner with your mum, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you said, I lovester can't be the bad one. It's
Speaker 1: not all shellfish. And your mum very specifically said, I
Speaker 1: promise you you're allergic to all shellfish, and you said no,
Speaker 1: but I like lobster. I can't. I remember enjoying lobster.
Speaker 1: And it's just a lobster, just one loves I'm only
Speaker 1: gonna have one lovester. Mom, don't be such a square.
Speaker 1: And your Mum's like, honestly, pearl, the history, just trust
Speaker 1: me on this one. You can't have lobster. And you went,
Speaker 1: fuck you, mum, You're not the boss of me, and
Speaker 1: you ordered lovester, and your mom shook her head. She said, pearl, pearl, pearl.
Speaker 1: She said that under breath a lot. And you started
Speaker 1: eating that lobster, and your your body simultaneously retracted and extended,
Speaker 1: and you very quickly, very slowly, Lee turned into the
Speaker 1: wrinkled bullsack emoji that some called an octopus. And you
Speaker 1: sat there in front of your mum like this fucking
Speaker 1: giant emoji, both both wrinkled and huge. And your mom,
Speaker 1: through her tears because she does love you, and she's
Speaker 1: sad you're dead. The one bit of joy she had
Speaker 1: she went I fucking told you so. And the other
Speaker 1: diners looked over it, and someone went and and and
Speaker 1: I was walking past. I was working, and then someone
Speaker 1: sort of came over to your mum and said, I've
Speaker 1: seen your daughter in the in the show, and your
Speaker 1: mom went right, and then they just walked obviously liked it,
Speaker 1: I say. And then and then I I was passing
Speaker 1: with a coffin, you know what I'm like wondering about,
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I got to your
Speaker 1: moment ago. I actually I'm a big fan of pearlmak In.
Speaker 1: It's a shame to see her as a giant wrinkled
Speaker 1: bulls octopus. EMG. Now, but I've got a coffin with me,
Speaker 1: so let me take care of this for you, and
Speaker 1: she goes, thank you, honestly. The thing is but I
Speaker 1: told her and she wouldn't listen. She's always been like that.
Speaker 1: She's very rude. You know. I used to plat her
Speaker 1: hair and now she plaits herround hair and now the
Speaker 1: dead and I went, yeah, well this is that's kids
Speaker 1: for you in it. And I takes the knife that
Speaker 1: these folk thing that you used for the loves puncture
Speaker 1: you to try and get some of the side down,
Speaker 1: get some knives, something to chop you up with, because
Speaker 1: someone's having over there. So I've got the state knife
Speaker 1: from chopping into you. It's a lot of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's essentially like whale blubber at this point, because because
Speaker 1: the thing you've turned into is just like half seafood. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I folded you in and folded you up, put you
Speaker 1: in this coffin. The thing is, there's so much more
Speaker 1: of you than there should be. It's absolutely jammed in there.
Speaker 1: There was really only enough room in this coffin for
Speaker 1: me to slide one DVD into the side with you,
Speaker 1: for you to take to the other side. On the
Speaker 1: other side, it's movie night every night, one night, it's
Speaker 1: your movie night. What film will you take to show everywhere? Oh?
Speaker 1: Go on, It's gonna have to be clueless, Yeah, clueless.
Speaker 1: They're gonna love it. That means I get to like
Speaker 1: act out the whole film. You're going to stand in
Speaker 1: front of the actor out in front of the screen.
Speaker 1: They're gonna love it. They're gonna be there years. This
Speaker 1: is five one zero zero, joy, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I haven't I have loved this. Would you like to
Speaker 1: tell anyone to look out for anything, watch something, listen
Speaker 1: to something. The Long Haul is coming at some point.
Speaker 1: The Long Call, even the Long cal even better, much better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but don't watch the Long Haul, but do watch the
Speaker 1: Long Call. I think it should be out and about
Speaker 1: in the autumn. Very nice. I really appreciate you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time for doing this and for
Speaker 1: phenomenal answers. Have a wonderful death and good day to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. So. That was episode one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty three. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Pearl MACKI for doing this show.
Speaker 1: Fucking out it was a good one on it. Thanks
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Speaker 1: Buddy Peace for producing it, Thanks ACAS for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics at least allied
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