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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Thursday one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: Greg co Sell stops by. Great to have you in.

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Speaker 1: We are live from Chicago. It's the Herd Jmax. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: if you look at the Lakers brand and you think,

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Speaker 1: like the Showtime Lakers, Hey, oh, it was all about

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, who was not a great defender, but you

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Speaker 1: had Kareem protecting the rim. So all five of those

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Speaker 1: title teams, the Showtime Lakers, all five were top ten defenses.

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Speaker 1: People don't think about that because you had the great

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Speaker 1: backstop at the rim in Kareem. And so I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the Lakers last night getting gouged defensively by OKC. And

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Speaker 1: this is not a criticism, it's instructive. This is why

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Speaker 1: eventually you've got to get rid of the duplication in

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Speaker 1: the Lakers lineup. It's so easy for Oklahoma City to score,

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Speaker 1: and they were missing two starters. I mean SJ had

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Speaker 1: thirty points, didn't even have to play the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: So JJ Reddick's an offensive leaning coach. Luca guys that

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Speaker 1: Luca guarded. Last night, Thunder players went eight for ten

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Speaker 1: from the floor. Ruey Austin reeves much better on offense

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Speaker 1: than defense. DeAndre Ayton allergic to defense. Gabe Vincent when

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Speaker 1: he plays, gives you effort, but he's small, who can

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Speaker 1: he guard? So the only open lane and all of

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Speaker 1: LA is usually at Laker games, you can always find

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Speaker 1: an open laid in that traffic. And the reality is,

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Speaker 1: if you go look at the last five NBA champions,

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Speaker 1: only Denver was considered sort of average defensively, But the

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Speaker 1: truth is they weren't and Gordon elite defensively, elite athlete length,

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Speaker 1: KCP Bruce Brown, they were eighth in defense. May not

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Speaker 1: have been as good as the Celtics or OKAC last year,

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Speaker 1: but they were a very very good defensive team. OKC

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Speaker 1: is missing two starters last night, what does it matter?

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Speaker 1: I mean SGA can get the thirty with his eyes closed,

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Speaker 1: they can score in the paint. They had almost fifty

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Speaker 1: points in the paint. Why because DeAndre none't like defense.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a criticism, it is a reality.

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Speaker 1: It is a lineup, a Laker lineup that is heavily

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Speaker 1: offensive leaning, massive duplication. Austin reeves when Lebron gets back Luca,

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Speaker 1: they all need the ball in their hands. One of

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Speaker 1: em elite defenders. Lebron was eight years ago. He's not anymore.

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Speaker 1: And again, Luca, if Lucas gardn you, you're getting a bucket.

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Speaker 1: Eight of ten last night were OKC players when Lucas

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Speaker 1: guarding him. So you have redundancy and duplication. It's like

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Speaker 1: a football team that doesn't play defense. Right. You may

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Speaker 1: score a lot of points, but in the end the

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Speaker 1: other guys are going to lead in ball control. You

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers just can't get stops and all. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the West Minnesota, the Spurs, OKC, they've

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Speaker 1: all got elite defensive stoppers or three. And so the

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Speaker 1: Lakers Luca may win a scoring title. They'll be fun

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Speaker 1: to watch. They've got a bunch of guys on ball

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Speaker 1: skill is exceptional, I mean track meet. They can run

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Speaker 1: with anybody. They're really good offensively, but it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same guys. And Lebron Siatica James may be

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Speaker 1: coming back, He's not a defensive stopper, not at this point.

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Speaker 1: So again, what makes a Super Bowl roster or an

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Speaker 1: NBA Championship roster? OKC last year prime example. You can

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Speaker 1: you can do mid range, you can get threes. The

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Speaker 1: Lakers have all sorts of offense. But I've said that in

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, that's Rob Polenka's guy. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: get rid of him and Lebron. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: offend Lebron and his and you know and his guys.

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Speaker 1: So I just I thought last night the Lakers are

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Speaker 1: teams like OKC in Minnesota. Never forget what Minnesota did

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Speaker 1: to the Lakers last year in the postseason. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just offense. They got stops. You know, they forced Austin

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Speaker 1: It's not a player's fault. It's a redundancy of skill

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Speaker 3: what you're trying to do defensively. There was there seemed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's a clarity issue. I think

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Speaker 1: coming over to my side on the AJ Brown Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Eagles story. So I never said he was a bad

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Speaker 1: He's both. He's a bad fit in Philly, and I

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Speaker 1: said last year after the Super Bowl trade him, I said,

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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline, trade him. They didn't, And now

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Speaker 1: he's got all the leverage. What are they gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Every time you put a mic in front of him,

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Speaker 1: he speaking out. Here's AJ Brown's latest DA Tribe on

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles offense.

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Speaker 4: At what point we're gonna pick up boxing as an

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Speaker 4: offense that we're saying we're so great, you know, And

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm getting it. It's not about we're not

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Speaker 4: about is net net No. It's been week after week

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Speaker 4: sometimes we're not contributing, we're not doing our job on offense.

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Speaker 4: So you can't just keep slapping the band aid over there.

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Speaker 4: And if you spec the win later late in the year,

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Speaker 4: of the year, it's not gonna Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen. You know last year what it was,

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Speaker 4: thank you for the ring. But it's a new season.

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Speaker 5: They adapted, we have to adapt.

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Speaker 1: So so now you know he knows he's got all

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Speaker 1: there's only two things that take a Super Bowl roster

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Speaker 1: offensive line gets hurt, like the Chargers or drama, and

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Speaker 1: this is drama. And the Eagles now are doing the

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Speaker 1: worst thing you can do. They're forcing the ball to him.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to appease him, like that last throw down

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Speaker 1: And over the last five games. Yesterday j Max said, well,

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Speaker 1: Devonte Smith. I'm not saying Davonte's better than AJ Brown,

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Speaker 1: but he's a better fit. So they have a number

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Speaker 1: one receiver. They have a great back, a good old line,

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Speaker 1: a good quarterback. But it's the old you know, pizza

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Speaker 1: not great, and it's kind of weird that it's on

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Speaker 1: a weird fit. And now that you didn't trade him,

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Speaker 1: he has all the leverage and Philadelphia is probably the

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Speaker 1: best sports talk radio market in the country in terms

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Speaker 1: this is just I mean, this is a pennata for

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Speaker 1: the aggressive Philadelphia media to bat around. And I like

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Speaker 1: him a lot. I think AJ Brown. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's a problem. I think he's a great player. But

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Speaker 1: I've said, if you're a Hall of Fame player and

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Speaker 1: you already got your money and you've already got your ring,

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown now wants production. He's an all time talent.

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Speaker 1: He wants all time production. He's got the money, he's

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Speaker 1: got the ring, he's got the legacy. He wants production.

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Speaker 1: And this is just not a good fit. It's also

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Speaker 1: a reminder, and we've said this for years in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: if a player wants to be traded, get him out

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Speaker 1: of the door. The longer you wait the media talks

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Speaker 1: about it, you lose your life. Average other gms know,

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Speaker 1: oh okay, well they've got a trade him. So Howie

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Speaker 1: Roseman has always been ahead of the curve and a

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Speaker 1: Brown's got the leverage. And you know, yesterday Nick Sirianni said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm about done talking about it. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not fabricated. It's not that the Philadelphia media is making

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Speaker 1: of AJ Brown, he's talking. So it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: out of control train here. That's kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: things that can blow up a Super Bowl locker room

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Speaker 1: and its cluster injuries, and it's drama, and this is

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Speaker 1: the latter clearly. You know, Jay Mac, I know that

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Speaker 1: that that that Laker rant. It's not criticism because it's

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Speaker 1: a very good team, but it is a reality on

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Speaker 1: what they are and what they're not. And when it's

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Speaker 1: that easy missing two starters, it is a reminder, guys,

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Speaker 1: we we have an uneven, lobsided roster. Is that fair?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 6: I mean this is the third road game for them

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Speaker 6: a back to back. They're a young squad. This isn't

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Speaker 6: Laker team. Colin three of their top eight guys last night,

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Speaker 6: for like, you know, a month. Okay, so I'm not overreacting.

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Speaker 6: I will say DeAndre Ayton, who's looked good this season,

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Speaker 6: looked terrible last night. He's an awful matchup for OKC.

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Speaker 6: He's robotic when he catches the ball on the pick

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Speaker 6: and roll. He just doesn't flow well. Yeah, but Jackson

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Speaker 6: Hayes ain't the answer, So listen, okay, see is gonna

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Speaker 6: be a massive problem for the Lakers in the postseason.

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Speaker 5: You just hope.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you bet on Luca who took him out two

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Speaker 6: years ago when they were really good, when he was

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Speaker 6: a Dallas and you bet on the King the Goat, Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Next Hour. So, Kyle Shanahan, I've said this before. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to justify things in pro sports. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to justify draft picks or justified decisions. Just who's

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Speaker 1: hot and who's healthy. For the Niners, the hot quarterback

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Speaker 1: is Mac Jones. The healthy quarterback is Mac Jones. I

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Speaker 1: would be in no rush to bring back Brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: Here's Kyle Shanahan on the Mac Purdy situation.

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Speaker 7: It's not a hard decision. It's just more about Brock's health.

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Speaker 7: It's been awesome how Max played, He's been great. But

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Speaker 7: we got a lot of confidence in Brock, and we

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Speaker 7: know Brock will play at a high level too, as

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Speaker 7: long as he's healthy. See, that's the world. I mean,

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Speaker 7: anytime at backup quarterback comes in and plays good. I mean,

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Speaker 7: that's all anyone talks about, you know, I don't. I

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Speaker 7: don't think anyone talks about what people have done in

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Speaker 7: the past, whether it's Brock or whether it's anybody. If

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's how good Mac Jones has been without

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Speaker 1: his number one receiver, Brandon Ayuk, without his number two

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Speaker 1: receiver Ricky Piersol hasn't had them. So let's do a

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Speaker 1: little blind resume. All put up mac Jones's numbers and

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Speaker 1: three categories, four categories I think are pretty important. He's

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Speaker 1: completing seventy percent of his throws. He's averaging two hundred

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Speaker 1: So let's put those numbers up. Those are real numbers.

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Speaker 1: Multiple three hundred games, two seventy a game, seventy percent,

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Speaker 1: completion percentage high nineties. Okay, so let's look at this

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Speaker 1: but it's just a tick in all the category. It's

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Speaker 1: Who would this be Justin Herbert? Now Herbert is missing

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Speaker 1: Jones is slightly better than Justin Herbert. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: do it again. Let's go another one. I mean, Justin

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Speaker 1: is missing both tackles. This quarterback. I mean, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: They're almost duplicates. And again no Ricky Pearsol, no Brandon I.

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Speaker 1: These guys are duplicates. So who is the doppelganger? Who

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Speaker 1: is the duplicate of Mac Jones? Oh, Dak Prescott? The

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Speaker 1: Max got more first downs, more three hundred yard games,

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Speaker 1: Who is this stiff? Oh, it's Baker Mayfield, who's having

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Speaker 1: a great year. Okay, Baker's having a very good year.

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Speaker 1: Here's another quarterback who I mean might as well be

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Speaker 1: but hey, let's rush back old sore toe brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: Let's go one more. There's one more quarterback again. The

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Speaker 1: Oh that's brock Perty's last eight starts and max last

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Speaker 1: eight starts. Very interesting numbers. Okay, Jay Mack, you can

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Speaker 6: I muted myself because I had some choice expletives that

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Speaker 6: I was muttering. Does brock pretty stats are a joke? Colin, listen,

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Speaker 6: nothing makes my blood boil more than a blind quarterback test.

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Speaker 5: So what are you saying?

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Speaker 6: Let's just put it on all the cards on the table.

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Speaker 6: So you compared it to Mahomes this season, Herbert this season?

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Speaker 1: What are you?

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Speaker 6: What's your overarching thesis? Mac Jones is a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Mac Jones should get a Maximney deal. What are we

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is a starting quarterback in this league? If

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Speaker 1: you look in with Josh McDaniels, he was a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: If you look at him in San Francisco, We've seen

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Speaker 1: We've seen Baker Reborn, We've seen Darnold reb We're watching

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Speaker 1: the next rebirth, and it's Mac Jones, who is clearly

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Speaker 6: So the Niners should keep him in trade Purty, Uh,

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Speaker 6: trade him for a lot since he's got a ton

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Speaker 6: of value and start Purty. What do you think it's

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Speaker 6: a move?

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Speaker 8: You?

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Speaker 1: What would I do? Yeah, I'd move brock Purty, all right,

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Speaker 1: I mean I I I'm watching Mac Jos floored.

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Speaker 6: I don't even have a rejoinder at this point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I, Okay, by the way, brock Purtty has value,

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Speaker 1: but I got nothing.

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Speaker 6: Not with that new contract he just signed it last offseason.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's probably got more contract than or more

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Arizona, Arizona, they want to

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Speaker 1: start over, they want to move off Kyler Murray. Brock

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Speaker 6: But Colin a look at the division leaders, Bo Nick's

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Speaker 6: rookie contract, Daniel Jones cheap contract. You look around the league,

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Speaker 6: the best teams buy and large, not all of them

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Speaker 5: It's not a super max deal. To steal a phrase.

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Speaker 6: From the NBA, like, I don't think anybody's gonna want Purty.

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Speaker 6: And I love Rock Purdy. You know he's my guy.

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Speaker 6: Shanahan loves them, but I don't see like I think.

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Speaker 6: Don't tell me the Jets are gonna like bite on

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Speaker 1: Not an anti Rock party. It's Oh, I can get

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones for half the prize, That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Baker and Sam Darnold come at

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Speaker 1: such value Because when you're reborn, you don't take the

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Speaker 1: big contract, right Like Sam and Baker want an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to flourish and build up their legacy. That's what Mack wants.

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Speaker 1: Mac doesn't want to be known as a bust. Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones doesn't want to be known as New England Mac

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Speaker 1: gonna get a discount on the deal with mac Jones.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so could they flip mac Jones for the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I don't think mac Jones with that Oh.

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, you don't think mac Jones would fit

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Speaker 6: in that system? You mean away from Kyle Jenhan.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, when mac Jones has proven when you

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Speaker 1: give him an elite offensive coordinator or coach, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: He's really good. And we've seen this over and over

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Speaker 1: round pick for a reason. This is not anti brock Pretty,

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Speaker 1: but my take is, let me just tell this. You

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Speaker 1: go find another quarterback. And I love Burrow. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me ask you, what if you brought Pretty back in

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Speaker 1: two weeks and he had another injury week sixteen, would

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Speaker 1: you then acknowledge we have a problem.

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Speaker 6: I would just say he had a rough season at

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Speaker 6: that point, I would hope.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like he's brutal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Saints, Browns, Jets, and Raiders all projected

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Speaker 1: top tendanting to quarterback. If Dante More doesn't come out,

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Speaker 1: Mendoza's first quarterback off the board, no dispute, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: I don't think these guys, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't think it does. Let me flip it on you

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Speaker 6: instead of forget pretty. I don't think the Niners are

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Speaker 6: trading him. Shanahan loves him, the GM Lynch loves him.

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Speaker 6: The Pittsburgh Steelers have an aging Aaron Rodgers. He's gonna

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Speaker 6: be done after this season. They have no path at

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Speaker 6: Jones as the next Pittsburgh I was.

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Speaker 1: If I was Mac Jones, I wouldn't want Pittsburgh. If

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Speaker 1: I was brought party, I wouldn't want it. I want

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Speaker 1: to I would go to an offensive leaning organization. That's

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Speaker 1: what I would do. I look at all these organizations.

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Speaker 1: I'd go to Cleveland, like if I was you know, Cleveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Kevin Stefanski and I don't get

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Speaker 1: Mendoza and Dante More stays in college, I'm not reaching.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get Mac Jones for a nickel. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm Kevin Stefanski. So you have two first round picks.

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Speaker 1: And my take is with Cleveland is you you could

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Speaker 1: these guys feel like play. A Mendoza can play immediately.

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Speaker 1: Dante I think could play very quickly.

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Speaker 6: But Jardin went twenty fifth and you seem to love him,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could be. I would take mac Jones if I

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Speaker 1: was Kevin Stefanski's got to start winning games. Either give

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Speaker 1: me Mendoza or mac Jones. I think Mac Jones is

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Speaker 6: What's so complicated about Jones is this is just eight games, Colling.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Jacobe Rissetts look pretty damn good here for

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Speaker 6: what five games? Eight games is a tiny sample size.

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Speaker 6: With McCaffrey, right, and Shanahan, I mean, if he goes

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Speaker 6: to Cleveland, what kind of contract do you give him?

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Speaker 5: Do you give him a Baker Mayfield deal thirty million?

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Speaker 1: You give him a reasonable contract? Again, these guys that

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Speaker 1: they usually give you a much more favorable deal half

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Speaker 6: Since you know Shanahan's tight with Kevin O'Connell, is there

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Speaker 5: Let's bring on Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: That is interesting. I'm just telling you what I've watched

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Speaker 1: with Mac Jones. We got to be fair here. He's

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Speaker 1: not a bridge quarterback, He's a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There's whatd going on in the NFL. Giants have an

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Speaker 1: interim coach Eagles. AJ Brown has all the leverage. Didn't

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Speaker 1: trade him after the Super Bowl, didn't trade him at

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline? Well, AJ Brown knows he got the leverage.

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Speaker 1: Now they're stuck with him. What to do in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco with Mac Jones, He's under contract with the Niners.

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Speaker 1: They'd have to trade him. But if Dante More doesn't

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Speaker 1: come out after Mendoza, there's four teams in the top

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Speaker 1: eight to nine that need a quarterback. All of these questions.

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Speaker 1: Albert Brier joining US live Monday morning quarter. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with AJ Brown. Did Philly can seriously think did they

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Speaker 1: seriously consider moving him at the deadline because there was

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Speaker 1: noise in drama. There's more after it, but there were

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Speaker 1: some before it.

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Speaker 8: No. I mean, I think they may consider doing it

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Speaker 8: after the season, but based on where they are and

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Speaker 8: how leverage they are to win in the here and

431
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Speaker 8: the now. They're defending a championship. This is what they

432
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Speaker 8: signed up for. They knew what they signed up for.

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Speaker 8: And this is honestly, one of Nick Sirianni's strengths is

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Speaker 8: being able to handle and manage egos.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the reasons.

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Speaker 8: Why they could afford to take Jalen Carter ninth overall

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Speaker 8: when some teams had him off their boards. And it's

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Speaker 8: why you can acquire a player like this who wasn't

439
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Speaker 8: always perfect in Tennessee either. So you know, I think

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Speaker 8: the Eagles long ago made the decision they were going

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Speaker 8: to ride it out this year with AJ Brown, and

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Speaker 8: you know, went past the trade deadline without much thought

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Speaker 8: of moving him.

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Speaker 5: Could you get to the offseason and could things change?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 5: They certainly could, Colin.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's when you have the wherewithal to actually

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Speaker 8: replace him on the which would have been difficult to

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Speaker 8: do in season, and we'll see what his value would be.

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Speaker 8: That's a factor too here. I mean, he's going to

451
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Speaker 8: be twenty nine years old. He's got, you know, some

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Speaker 8: chronic knee issues that it was part of the reason

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Speaker 8: why Tennessee traded him in the first place, and so like,

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Speaker 8: I don't think you'd expect to get back for him

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Speaker 8: what you traded for him, you know, a few years ago.

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Speaker 8: So I certainly I think that'd be on the table

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Speaker 8: in the offseason, but it wasn't. You know, it wasn't

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Speaker 8: last week.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this with mac Jones earlier. They're

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Speaker 1: in no hurry to being pretty back. Max had a

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Speaker 1: really good season, three three hundred yard games without Ricky Parasol,

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Speaker 1: without Brandon Aiyuk. I can see Minnesota if JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: plays out in the season and they don't feel right

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Speaker 1: and they're like they do in Indianapolis and go get

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Speaker 1: somebody they like in the league. This is how Darnold

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Speaker 1: and Baker and Daniel Jones' career has been resurrected. That

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Speaker 1: teams are like we just there may be one quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the draft, we like, we can't get him, let's

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Speaker 1: go with something we know. I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones our next reclamation project. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the Niners do.

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Speaker 8: Well. It's interesting you bring that up call because there

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Speaker 8: are some teams that are already looking at the idea of, like,

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Speaker 8: you know, what we do in the off season and

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Speaker 8: could there be another Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 8: Gino Smith type of story out there to go and

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Speaker 8: seize it pon, especially, like you said, with the draft

478
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Speaker 8: class maybe not looking like what people had hoped it

479
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Speaker 8: would be coming into the year. You know, Nuss Meyer

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Speaker 8: get gets benched in the middle of the Alabama game,

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Speaker 8: Drew Aller is hurt right, like Lenora Sellers maybe going

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Speaker 8: back to school. Bernando Mendoza looks like he's going to

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Speaker 8: go high up, but he may be the only first

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Speaker 8: rounder at this point. You know, we have to let

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Speaker 8: those things play out. But right now, it does look

486
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Speaker 8: like there's going to be more teams needing quarterbacks that

487
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Speaker 8: are going to be available in the first round of

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Speaker 8: the draft. And so you look at these reclamation projects,

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Speaker 8: and I think the Niners would look at the idea

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Speaker 8: of moving him to get some draft capital because they

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Speaker 8: have to get younger and they won't be the only one.

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Speaker 8: You mentioned Minnesota, you know, potentially looking that could be

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Speaker 8: one of the teams that look for one of those

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Speaker 8: reclamation projects, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think mac Jones is in that category.

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Speaker 8: Some teams have looked at the idea, could Kyler Murray

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Speaker 8: be available after the year? Could to a toungue of

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Speaker 8: Alwa be available after the year. I think there are

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Speaker 8: going to be teams on both sides this coin. They

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Speaker 8: are gonna be teams that are going to be looking

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Speaker 8: at a player on the roster and say, maybe we've,

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Speaker 8: you know, reached the end of the road with this.

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Speaker 5: Player, maybe we can get something for him.

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Speaker 8: And I think on the other end of the ledger,

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Speaker 8: you are going to have teams that are going to

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Speaker 8: be looking to see if they can find their own

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Speaker 8: version of Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking I mentioned this that not all

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Speaker 1: coaches that get fired are bad coaches. Mike McCarthy. The

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Speaker 1: two examples I have used to comp Sean McDermott are

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Speaker 1: Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer. Excellent, but they would not.

512
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Speaker 1: They didn't win enough in the postseason. They were seen

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Speaker 1: as conservative guys. They get to the postseason. Chuck Knox

514
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Speaker 1: could turn the Seahawks around, the Rams around, Marty did

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. But eventually people you start winning those games,

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Speaker 1: they want postseason success. So I've said I feel McDermott

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Speaker 1: is now our Chuck Knox. Nobody dispute you can coach,

518
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Speaker 1: but there are holes on this offense and Tampa. Let's

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Speaker 1: say Tampa goes into Buffalo this weekend and wins, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's I think the GM is safe and McDermott is

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Speaker 1: right Bo that Miami game, if you went home and

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Speaker 1: lost to Tampa, it's gonna get really uncomfortable. Is there

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Speaker 1: a hot seat with McDermott or is this just media

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Speaker 1: talk thousands of miles away from Buffalo and we don't

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Speaker 1: know what's going on.

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Speaker 8: I think for right now it's just media talk, right like,

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Speaker 8: But I would say that having a quarterback of the

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Speaker 8: magnitude of Josh Allen, who I mean has probably been

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Speaker 8: the best player in the league over the last two years,

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Speaker 8: does amp up the pressure on everybody to get it done.

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Speaker 8: And you know there's a feeling like if you keep

532
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Speaker 8: knocking in the door and you can't quite get there,

533
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Speaker 8: then do you have to look at something else to

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Speaker 8: give yourself a spark. I don't think anybody like you said,

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Speaker 8: would argue with the job that Sean McDermott and Brandon

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Speaker 8: Bean have done. That they've gone to the playoffs since

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Speaker 8: seven of eight years. Considering where they where Buffalo was

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Speaker 8: when they got there, it's pretty remarkable. Six playoff years

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Speaker 8: in a row, five AFCAS titles in a row. So,

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Speaker 8: like I think you take into account everything they've accomplished.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to give you another comp here that I

542
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Speaker 8: think is probably apt in this case Tony Dungee in

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Speaker 8: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And if you go back and

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Speaker 8: you look at the mid nineties, right, that Buccaneers team

545
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Speaker 8: that Dongee took over was a sorry outfit, right like

546
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Speaker 8: one of the doormats in all of the sports. Almost

547
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Speaker 8: like you had to be there to know how bad

548
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Speaker 8: that was, to remember what that was. They were the

549
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Speaker 8: laughing stock of the NFL. Tony Dungee gets there, he

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Speaker 8: gets them up to level ground. I think they made

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Speaker 8: the playoffs four times in five years, went to an

552
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Speaker 8: NFC title game, and they kept knocking on the door

553
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Speaker 8: and knocking on the door. And as they went, Warren

554
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Speaker 8: Sapp and Derek Brooks and Ronde Barber and John Lynch

555
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Speaker 8: were getting older, and eventually it got to the point

556
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Speaker 8: where we need somebody to put us over the top.

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Speaker 8: It didn't mean Tony Dungee couldn't coach, But you remember

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Speaker 8: what happened at the end of a one. They started

559
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Speaker 8: to flirt with Bill Parcells, that didn't work out. They

560
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Speaker 8: trade for John Gruden, they win a Super Bowl the

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Speaker 8: next year. Can argue whether or not that was the

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Speaker 8: right move for the long term, but it did get

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Speaker 8: them a championship in the short term. So that's the

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Speaker 8: one that I think of when I'm thinking of this situation. Again, Like,

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Speaker 8: I don't think there's any hot seat there now. We

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Speaker 8: don't know how the rest of the year is going

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Speaker 8: to play out. So if Buffalo were to somehow missed

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Speaker 8: the playoffs, which I don't think is going to happen,

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Speaker 8: to be clear, then I think you start to hear

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Speaker 8: a little bit more of that based on where they

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Speaker 8: are and based on the urgency that's created by having

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Speaker 8: a player.

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Speaker 5: Of the magnitude Allen.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting on the Packers. So all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Detroit's head coach is taking the game plan away from

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Speaker 1: the OC. Minnesota's got JJ McCarthy issue. You know, the

577
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Speaker 1: Bears are surging and appear to have you know, the

578
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Speaker 1: next great young coach Stichen and Ben Johnson. And here's

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur with an offense that is lost. They can't

580
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Speaker 1: run the ball, and he'd like to they lost craft,

581
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Speaker 1: but I mean, just no identity. Cleveland losses, Carolina losses,

582
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Speaker 1: can't score again. It is I don't I think it's

583
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Speaker 1: absurd the question Matt Lafleur, But it is with it.

584
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Speaker 1: It always matters. If your rival is Surgeon and you

585
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Speaker 1: watch Chicago, what do you make of what's happening the

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Speaker 1: heat in Green Bay and Lafleur in company.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there are a couple of reasons why

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Speaker 8: people are why people are bringing this up now.

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Speaker 5: Number one is a changing of a guard at the

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Speaker 5: top of the organization.

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Speaker 8: Right Mike Mark Murphy was the president there for almost

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Speaker 8: twenty years.

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Speaker 5: He hired Matt Lafleur. He retired over the summer.

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Speaker 8: At Policy, who had been there before, comes in as

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Speaker 8: the team president. They don't extend Lafleur or the general

596
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Speaker 8: manager Brian Guda Kunz, which naturally raises the question like

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Speaker 8: does the new team president, who extensively in Green Bay

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Speaker 8: is the owner, does he want to bring in his

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Speaker 8: own people?

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Speaker 5: So that's number one.

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Speaker 8: Then number two, You've got this group of young players

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Speaker 8: that you've built around.

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Speaker 5: It's Jordan Love, but it's also a lot of the other.

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Speaker 8: Guys around him that are right there in year three,

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Speaker 8: year four, year five, and this is when the rocket

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Speaker 8: ship should be taking off. And then you trade for

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Speaker 8: Micah Parsons, which only pushes the chips further into the

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Speaker 8: middle of the table. And so like there's that feeling

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Speaker 8: that this is you're all in year with Micah Parsons

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Speaker 8: coming over with Jordan Love now and a fifty five

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Speaker 8: million dollar per year contract, and if you're not performing

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Speaker 8: to the standard, then you know, those questions naturally are

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Speaker 8: going to come up new team president, big expenditure on

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Speaker 8: the quarterback, big expenditure on a defensive star. So like,

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Speaker 8: of course that question is going to come up, like

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Speaker 8: is this ed Policy's guy going forward?

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Speaker 5: That said?

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Speaker 8: I think he is, you know, and I think if

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Speaker 8: you look at like the value that Matt Leflure brought

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Speaker 8: to the French guys over you know, his early years

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Speaker 8: when he was managing the Aaron Rodgers mess, he was

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Speaker 8: developing Jordan Love in the background. He got Jordan Love

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Speaker 8: ready to play. There's a ton of value in what

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Speaker 8: Matt Lafleur has accomplished. So I think if this somehow

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Speaker 8: goes the wrong way, my guess would be there may

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Speaker 8: be a staff shakeup. There may be some new offensive

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Speaker 8: coaches there, because I think Jeff Athley's done a great

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Speaker 8: job on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: But I'd be surprised if the floor wind up gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Finally, I know how this Mike Kafka thing is

631
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Speaker 1: going to work is that the media is going to

632
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Speaker 1: like him because he's friendly and smart. Jackson Darnal like

633
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Speaker 1: him because he played in the NFL quarterback end of

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Speaker 1: the season schedule for the Giants, the weakest part of

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Speaker 1: their tough schedule, the last four games. They may win

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Speaker 1: a couple of them. And by the way, he's not

637
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Speaker 1: as bombastic or as intense as as Dable, so the

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Speaker 1: players will probably like him. It's my substitute teacher, the

639
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Speaker 1: interim coach everybody always loves him, and then seventy five

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Speaker 1: chance the Giants are like, you know what, he's our guy.

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Speaker 1: And I said this earlier. Here's what works in New

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Speaker 1: York Fatino, Tory Coughlin, Parcell's culture changers, where you put

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Speaker 1: kind of a fortress around your culture and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what the sport is. Pat Riley TIMPs had a

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Speaker 1: little bit of this. I got an identity. It's a

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Speaker 1: culture beyond just scheming.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't hire Bella. I would go Mike McCarthy or Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of I think this Kafka thing.

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Speaker 1: I think I called a GM He said, Listen doesn't

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Speaker 1: have much presence. Smart guy, good guy. They're gonna like him,

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Speaker 1: players are going to like him. How do you think

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Speaker 1: this thing unfolds?

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Speaker 8: So I think you're right to feel like this is

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Speaker 8: a very real audition. Look, the big reason why they

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Speaker 8: fired Brian Davil when they did, and it's not a

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Speaker 8: Giants type of thing to do an Insights season firing,

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Speaker 8: but it's the definition of insanity to do the same

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Speaker 8: thing over and over again and expect a different result.

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Speaker 8: They're two and eight for the third year, in a

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Speaker 8: they haven't won consecutive games in almost two years, which

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Speaker 8: is pretty remarkable. And they had the blown leads like

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Speaker 8: right like, So they had the big wins and they regressed.

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Speaker 8: They had the big winner of the Chargers regress against

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Speaker 8: the Saints. They had the big win over the Eagles.

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Speaker 8: They have the blown lead the next week against Denver.

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Speaker 8: Then they have another blown lead against Chicago. So clearly

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Speaker 8: they're looking for a spark. But the other thing they're

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Speaker 8: looking for here is a real evaluation of Mike Kafka.

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Speaker 8: And I would say this, I would pay attention to

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Speaker 8: the general manager's history. Okay, Joe Shane was in Miami

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Speaker 8: in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 5: In twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 8: The Dolphins fired Joe Philbin four games end of the year.

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Speaker 8: The interim coach there was Dan Campbell. By the end

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Speaker 8: of the year, Dan Campbell's hand picked coordinators were lou

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Speaker 8: An Arumo and Zach Taylor. And there was a feeling

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Speaker 8: in that building they had.

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Speaker 5: A pretty good thing going.

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Speaker 8: And then they wind up saying, naw, you know what

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Speaker 8: we're gonna go with Adam Gase. So look like I

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Speaker 8: think that there's they're going to cast a very wide

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Speaker 8: net here. That's their intention. They've done a lot of

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Speaker 8: different things over the last ten years. Right. They replaced

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Speaker 8: Tom Kauflin with the young, the young offensive assistant, Ben mcadue.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't work. They bring in the retreat past Sherman,

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Speaker 8: that doesn't work. They bring in the CEO type Joe Judge.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't work. And then they go back to the

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Speaker 8: offensive assistant now Brian Dabon, and that doesn't work. So

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Speaker 8: they are going to cast a wide net and look

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Speaker 8: at a lot of different types of coaches. But look

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Speaker 8: at Joe Shane's history, and I just wonder with Joe,

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Speaker 8: is there a little bit of like a you know,

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Speaker 8: back in Miami ten years ago, maybe we should have

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Speaker 8: paid more attention to the interim coach because we had

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Speaker 8: a really good one in house in Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 5: I think that tells you what you know, at least

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Speaker 5: about Mike.

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Speaker 8: Kaffkan getting a shot and not saying he's going to

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Speaker 8: get the job, but I think he does get a

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Speaker 8: legitimate look.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer, good stuff, Monday Morning Quarterback, all sorts of

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Speaker 1: moving and shaking. Big NFL weekend, some real big swing games.

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Speaker 1: Good seeing Albert.

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Speaker 5: All right, Thanks Collin.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's fascinating, and I know

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Speaker 1: we're way early on this, but men don't for Indiana

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Speaker 1: is going to be the first quarterback taken a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion now that Dante Moore stand at Oregon that

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Speaker 1: that that I'm telling you Mac Jones is going to

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Speaker 1: be Daniel Jones. He's gonna be He's gonna be Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to go trade for that guy because Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones is spinning it without his number one or two

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Speaker 1: receiver