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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kathleen Ball, PhD, back with US film producer, writer, artist,

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Speaker 2: mystic and explorer of ancient sites. Following a life transforming

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Speaker 2: near death experience which happened back in nineteen ninety. She

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Speaker 2: pursued her PhD in metaphysical sciences while exploring ancient mystical

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Speaker 2: beliefs from every corner of the planet, dating back to

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Speaker 2: the mythical civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria and their current

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Speaker 2: theory is that the Knights Templar followed a similar path

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Speaker 2: of research. Her book is called a Grail Quest. Kathleen,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been hi, George. It's good to be back.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I'm right smack in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the final edit. I'm hoping bringing on my

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Speaker 4: second book. So that's my main priority right now is

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Speaker 4: getting that book out.

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Speaker 2: And what will that be called.

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Speaker 4: It's called the Templar Agenda, and I'm looking at it

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Speaker 4: from a very different perspective. I'm looking at it from

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Speaker 4: the Templars, seeing their agenda and experiencing their as a

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Speaker 4: long term as a long term agenda that began in

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Speaker 4: Greece and in Constantinople, where they were gathering spiritual backgrounds

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Speaker 4: from spiritual belief systems Sufi and Drew's and several other

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Speaker 4: spiritual backgrounds. They studied Hinduism, they studied just about every

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Speaker 4: spiritual belief system on the planet with the hope of

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Speaker 4: bringing it back into Europe and at some point igniting

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Speaker 4: some type of renaissance, which we know later happened with

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Speaker 4: the also with the idea of you know, moving helping

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Speaker 4: to move people along through Europe, through the Middle Ages

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Speaker 4: into a renaissance, a rebirth, with the idea of an

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Speaker 4: evolutionary jump, an evolutionary progression where equality and a religious

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Speaker 4: freedom and some of these other ideals were exercised, as

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Speaker 4: they did in Portugal, which we know Portugal, they were

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Speaker 4: very successful in creating a sovereign nation with these ideals

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Speaker 4: that they What they did is embed themselves in every

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Speaker 4: and Scotland, in the political system, in the governmental system,

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Speaker 4: in banking systems, in the merchant you know, in business systems.

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Speaker 4: They were examples to the locals. They taught animal husbandry,

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Speaker 4: farming techniques.

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Speaker 3: That were new.

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Speaker 4: They brought, you know, a lot of information back from

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Speaker 4: the Holy Land and Constantinople and other areas that they

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Speaker 4: went to. So this is when i'm this is when

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Speaker 4: I'm working. I found some really interesting evidence that shows

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Speaker 4: that this was very definitely an agenda that they had,

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Speaker 4: and we do know that later they were involved in

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Speaker 4: the putting together and authoring the Magna Carta and also

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Speaker 4: pushing that forward with the King in England. And this

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Speaker 4: later was a template that was used in creating the

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Speaker 4: Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights for the

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Speaker 4: United States. So inadvertently, whether they were directly involved or not,

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Speaker 4: we know the Masons were definitely involved in establishing the

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Speaker 4: United States, the foundation for the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: So you know, there's a lot of debate about that.

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Speaker 4: You know, I believe from the evidence that I've found

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Speaker 4: that they were directly involved, through the Masonic Order and

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Speaker 4: their descendants, in being involved in the foundation of the

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Speaker 2: Back in the back in the eleven eighteen hundreds when

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Speaker 2: they were formed, what was happening to Christians to create

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Speaker 2: the knights templar.

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Speaker 4: Well, they they were supposedly created to protect pilgrims, which

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Speaker 4: is one of the things they did later on. But

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Speaker 4: in the first nine years that they were in the

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Speaker 4: Holy Land, they were in Jerusalem at the Temple Mount,

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Speaker 4: they were excavating. They were not protecting, They weren't involved

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Speaker 4: in the Crusades, and they weren't protecting pilgrims at that point.

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Speaker 4: They were excavating relics. I would I assume we're genealogies.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of speculation.

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Speaker 4: We don't have any jer knowledge of everything that.

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Speaker 3: They collected that they excavated under the Temple Mount.

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Speaker 4: We can only speculate that there were some relics, there

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Speaker 4: were some things that were buried under there during the.

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Speaker 3: Demolition of the Second Temple, things that.

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Speaker 4: Were hidden, and we know that now we have some

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Speaker 4: evidence that many of the original templars were Jewish, So

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Speaker 3: And because they seemed to know.

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Speaker 4: Exactly where they were going when they got into Jerusalem,

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Speaker 4: they went straight to the Temple Mount, and they were

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Speaker 4: you know, it just leads it leads me to believe

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Speaker 4: that that was strategic. They knew exactly where they were

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Speaker 2: Were they the best of the best in terms of soldiers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they were.

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Speaker 4: They were very disciplined and they were the best of

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Speaker 4: the best. You know, we have quotes from Solidin that

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Speaker 4: has coming down to us through history that they were

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Speaker 4: very well respected for their discipline and their military achievement

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Speaker 4: and abilities. They were respected even by Solodin.

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Speaker 2: So you could book a grail Quest talks about a

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Speaker 2: mysterious cave in Brazil. Tell us about that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and a very mysterious cave in Brazil, which triggered

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Speaker 4: a lot of this research that I'm doing now because it,

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Speaker 4: you know, it forced me to backtrack into Portugal, which

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Speaker 4: is where they came from. But this cave, as you know,

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Speaker 4: was actually I wasn't intending on I was not out

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Speaker 4: searching for a templar cave that day.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It's not something you wake up and say, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go looking for a templar cave.

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Speaker 3: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 4: What happened was a series of synchronistic events that put

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Speaker 4: me in a place where I really didn't have much

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Speaker 4: The woman that I went with, she she didn't know

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Speaker 4: forgotten my driver's license, and you know, so here we

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Speaker 4: All they had was standard ship.

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Speaker 4: She blew up two clutches before we even got out

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Speaker 4: of Brazilia. We were with an hour out of Brazilia

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Speaker 4: on our time frame of getting into Cavo Kanche.

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Speaker 3: Where our hotel was reserved.

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Speaker 4: You know, so we had to completely shift gears, and

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Speaker 4: there's caves. They're they're not cavescuse me. There's waterfalls, there's

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Speaker 3: And it was just gorgeous. So, you know, we ended

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Speaker 4: One that was closest to us Agua Fria, and when

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Speaker 3: So that was what our motive was.

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Speaker 4: We had no other motive than to go next door

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Speaker 4: and collect crystals. You know, if it hadn't been so

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Speaker 4: hot that day, and we'd already hiked about you know,

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Speaker 4: very far much further down. If those things had to

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Speaker 2: Now, in terms of in the cave, what was so

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Speaker 4: It was about the cave that got my initial attention

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Speaker 4: I still remember that moment. I'll never forget it. I

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Speaker 4: you know, what is the Knight's Templar cross doing out

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Speaker 3: To me at all.

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Speaker 4: But when I went inside the cave, then I saw

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Speaker 4: more templar, you know, graffiti inside the cave, and there

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Speaker 4: were crosses that I had seen in Dome in Dome, France,

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Speaker 4: knew that it was definitely a templar cave, but I

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Speaker 4: the fact that it was definitely templar. So you know

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Speaker 4: that that began this whole thing that's that's been unfolding

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Speaker 4: That was in August of twenty ten that I discovered

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Speaker 2: So Kathleen did the Templars disband or are they still

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Speaker 3: They're out there.

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Speaker 4: We have current members, current you know, orders.

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Speaker 3: That have popped up everywhere, but we.

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Speaker 4: Still have some continuity of original temp We have descendants

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Speaker 4: from original Templar members in Portugal definitely, and also in Brazil.

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Speaker 4: there's probably hundreds of thousands of Templars if you consider

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Speaker 4: and he's corroborated a lot of the research that I've.

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Speaker 3: Been doing over the years.

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Speaker 4: You know that the Templars did have a specific agenda,

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Speaker 4: what that agenda was, which I've already explained, and also

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Speaker 4: the fact that they were gathering esoteric knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Now that Tomar.

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Speaker 4: Horde is proof well it's actually I shouldn't say proof

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Speaker 4: but it's really strong evidence of their esoteric and initiatory

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's hundreds of.

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Speaker 4: Pieces and these are initiatory chalices, their initiatory small basins

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Speaker 3: And that is consistent.

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Speaker 4: With other areas in Europe where they have found underground

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Speaker 4: initiation chambers and initiation symbols. You know, Royston in England

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Speaker 2: What is the significance of the templars in Portugal, Kathleen.

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Speaker 4: The significance of templars in Portugal, I believe was actually

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Speaker 4: recent research in France last year, that there was a

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Speaker 4: schism that happened in the Order in eleven eighty eight

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Speaker 4: They didn't separate physically, but they separated spiritually, I guess

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Speaker 3: They still the.

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Speaker 4: Inner Order still remained true to their original ideals, whereas

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Speaker 2: Why were they arrested? What did they do wrong?

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Speaker 4: Well, they were too big for their breeches, I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 4: that's really what it came down to. You know.

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Speaker 3: After twelve ninety.

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Speaker 4: Two, after the fall of Acre, there really wasn't a

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Speaker 3: The kings were all broke. The only king that had

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Speaker 3: Only one handing money.

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Speaker 4: But the rest of the monarchs throughout Europe had been

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Speaker 4: you know, they had been feeding money and men to

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Speaker 4: the crusades for you know, for centuries, and they were broke.

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Speaker 4: They were broke. So here you have an order that

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Speaker 4: has more money and more property than most monarchs, and

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Speaker 4: that's a scary thing to a monarch, you know their power,

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Speaker 4: and so especially in France where you can Fillip.

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Speaker 3: The Fair also attempted to become a.

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Speaker 4: Templar at one point, and he was denied access, and

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Speaker 4: so of course that probably made him angry, but I

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Speaker 4: don't think that was his only motive. I think his

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Speaker 4: primary motive was financial. Honestly, he wanted to see the

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Speaker 4: end of the order so they didn't compete with his power.

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Speaker 3: But he also wanted.

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Speaker 4: What they had, and they had a lot of money,

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Speaker 4: although he never did obtain that.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Because the templars always had spies. They had an excellent

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Speaker 4: system of spies. They were brilliant when it came to

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Speaker 3: So I think that they had heads up long before that.

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Speaker 4: You know, King Philip the Fair came and arrested all

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Speaker 4: of these these templars, including Jacques de Malay. I think

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Speaker 4: they knew that many of the templars just left at

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Speaker 4: that point they went to Scotland, they took the treasure

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Speaker 3: I think they took it.

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Speaker 4: All of it was gone days even maybe weeks before

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Speaker 2: Were they a violent group?

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Speaker 3: Were they wet I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: A violent group?

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Speaker 3: Well, they were and they weren't.

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Speaker 4: You know, they were trained soldiers. But at the same

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Speaker 4: time they were monks and they were also spiritually very

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Speaker 4: disciplined men, and so, you know, I mean, we're all

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Speaker 4: capable of both. I think, you know, we all have.

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Speaker 4: You know, we all have the capability of a lot

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Speaker 4: But as far as the templars go, you know, they

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Speaker 4: did have that violent side. They were capable of, perfectly

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Speaker 4: capable of defending themselves and monarchs and you know, whatever

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Speaker 4: they are in charge of. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: that wasn't really their essential nature. I think their central

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Speaker 2: At their highest point. How many of them do you

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Speaker 3: Oh, thousands, thousands.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't even attempt to, you know, to figure that

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Speaker 4: hundreds that were killed at a time in Jerusalem. So

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Speaker 4: you know, England and France and Italy and Spain, they

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Speaker 4: As soon they'd train them, they'd get into action, you know,

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Speaker 4: in the Crusades, and they were losing a lot of battles.

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Speaker 4: of the organized organization solid in. When he did was

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Speaker 4: been separate, he brought them all together. So that made

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Speaker 4: Holy Land at that point in time. It was their territory.

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Speaker 4: They had more men, they had they had everything in there.

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Speaker 4: You know, that really was on their side. The Templars

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