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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and

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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have an awesome conversation for you today

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Speaker 2: about Rhodes Dollar.

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Speaker 1: See the top Porscha shop in the world. I'll just

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Speaker 1: say it, this is the shop where the Porsche family

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Speaker 1: brings their vehicles to be restored.

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Speaker 2: I will also mention before we get into it, I

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Speaker 2: want to mention our email address Hot Pursuits at Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: dot net, because we relish your emails and would love

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Speaker 2: to hear any questions or comments you have. And I

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Speaker 2: thought about it because I was thinking about Cam's Instagram,

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Speaker 2: which is Porscham alone, right, and I was following him

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Speaker 2: on Instagram long before I met him, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: sweet dude, you'r Porscham alone dude. So all right, let's

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Speaker 2: get into it without any further ado.

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Speaker 1: So I'm so happy to have Cameron Ingram here today,

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Speaker 1: and it's really nice to see you. You know, Cam

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Speaker 1: is someone who I met probably eight years ago. We

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Speaker 1: uh were kind of in the same circles, but I

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Speaker 1: really became aware of you during Pebble Beach when multiple

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Speaker 1: of your cars won their class at Pebble Beach and

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Speaker 1: these are cars that have been restored by Rhodes Scholars,

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Speaker 1: the company that the restoration shop and that you run

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Speaker 1: in Durham, North Carolina. So, Cam, it's really nice to

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Speaker 1: have you on and I just want to start out

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Speaker 1: by saying, you know, tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the shop for people who don't know. This is the

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Speaker 1: type of restoration shop that spends like five thousand hours

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Speaker 1: on a single car preparing it for a concore. So

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Speaker 1: can you kind of give us a background of how

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Speaker 1: you started Rhodes Scholars and what day to day life

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Speaker 1: looks like for you.

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Speaker 3: There Rhodes Scholars. We're a Porsche centric shop. We obviously

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Speaker 3: in the world of restorations, we performed concor restorations and

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Speaker 3: and and our world in our niche industry that gets

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Speaker 3: over used. Our typical restorations are you know, over three

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Speaker 3: thousand hours and you know that typically looks like two

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Speaker 3: and a half to three years on a project on

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Speaker 3: a single on a single project in one client. YEA, yeah, first,

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Speaker 3: a lot of hours. That's a lot a lot of

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Speaker 3: hours I'm saying it is. And you know, the restoration

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Speaker 3: world has changed. You know, when I first started competing

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Speaker 3: at Pebble Beach, that was still in an era and

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Speaker 3: this is again going to early two thousands, and Pebble

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Speaker 3: Beach was transitioning into authentic, rewarding authentic restoration work.

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Speaker 1: Rather than over restored correct. So it's beyond the point

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Speaker 1: that it ever was to begin with.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent and and for decades, you know, it

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Speaker 3: became you know, and again we obviously special in portie

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Speaker 3: and our company is won there seven times, which is

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Speaker 3: unusual for a portrait to win best of Show or

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Speaker 3: i'm sorry, best of class there. It's very competitive. You're

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Speaker 3: going against you know, Ferrari Maserati, you know Aston Martin,

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Speaker 3: all these bespoke pieces made from some great coach makers.

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Speaker 3: But again we're focused on the nuances. Concord restoration, no

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Speaker 3: matter what mark, is focused on the nuances of how

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Speaker 3: that car was actually built in that time period, in

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Speaker 3: the different country that it was from, by the crafts people.

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Speaker 3: So we're really focused on recreating those imperfections of how

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Speaker 3: these cars were built in those times. And there's so

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Speaker 3: many other aspects, but quality restoration work is really focused

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Speaker 3: involves research. So so again we have eighteen people in

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Speaker 3: our team. We have seven projects at all times. We

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Speaker 3: typically finished two a year, and we have a three

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Speaker 3: year booked out three years and sadly, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the things I've been trying to describe, or you know,

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of panel talks talking about how

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Speaker 3: our industry is shrinking and not growing even with all

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Speaker 3: these programs like the McPherson School in Kansas, that's a

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Speaker 3: great restoration program to develop talent, to develop talent and

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Speaker 3: do the trades. Yeah, and moreover, we just don't have

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Speaker 3: of course there's a shop on every corner that can

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Speaker 3: there's not enough shops that are rebuilding webercarbs or full

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Speaker 3: component to our business. We work for fourteen clients predominantly,

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Speaker 3: but we're open to public. We manage their car collection,

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Speaker 3: so everything from historical prepping their vehicles for historical racing

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Speaker 1: And I think we can say this is public knowledge.

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Speaker 1: The Porsche family itself has used Rhodes scholars for significant restorations,

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Speaker 2: They chose that built.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a tribute and they continue to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It was probably were the one that

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Speaker 3: our greatest honor, and I guess feather in our cap

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Speaker 3: was to be asked by Hans Peter Porsche, the oldest

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Speaker 3: surviving son of Ferry Porsche, to restore the forty fifth

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Speaker 3: portion made out of those first fifty two production cars

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Speaker 3: these first fifty two production aluminum coops and cabs, and

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Speaker 3: they asked us to restore it and we did, and

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Speaker 3: that was our first win up Pebble Start in twenty

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Speaker 2: So Hannah wrote a great story about it and recommend

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Speaker 2: that any of our listeners go check. We'll link to

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Speaker 2: it on Bloomberg. On Bloomberg dot com. You also have

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Speaker 2: Jerry Seinfeld as a customer and Ralph Lauren, you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously two of the most famous collectors in the in

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Speaker 2: the country. But I wonder why it takes so long

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Speaker 2: story that your paint guy spent eight hundred hours doing

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Speaker 3: So it's like the nuanced things of in the fine

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Speaker 3: saving original lacker oil pigments. It's the same thing with

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Speaker 3: that specific car that Hannah covered in that story. The

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Speaker 3: attempt to build a purpose built race car. They only

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Speaker 1: Wow, So they didn't think to preserve it at that point.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times the stuff just got replaced. In

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Speaker 3: today's world, you know, when someone makes a decision to

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Speaker 3: you're looking to document every nuance, of every detail of

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Speaker 3: really was saving the original luminum because it had been

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Speaker 3: painted previously in Japan. Like this car had literally gone

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Speaker 3: at some point it got painted in Japan and they

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Speaker 3: aluminum can only move so many more times. So that's

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Speaker 2: roadster in some female racing cup. I think Josie von

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great memory, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, jose von Newman and her stepfather owned Competition Motors

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Speaker 3: and she often won impressive impressive figure. She never got married,

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a great lady. Yeah, yeah, no, can we

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Speaker 1: give a shit? Was it Danny one hundred who did

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Speaker 1: and he's been with you for a long time.

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Speaker 2: it's tough to find good talent, and I guess Danny

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Speaker 1: He's a real one.

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Speaker 2: How And you talked about the McPherson school and all

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's really it's not just an industry

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Speaker 3: just about success. It's about how much do you deeply

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Speaker 3: care about what you're going to invest in life and

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Speaker 3: the books, all those things, that's what's shrinking, our shrinking

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Speaker 3: business owners that think about drafting talent. Like when we

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Speaker 3: Who is this twenty six year old guy with tattoos?

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Speaker 3: Looking in other places to draft talent and putting young

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Speaker 3: And I think automotive shops, whether you're a vintage restoration

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Speaker 3: And now, you know, when we start to get over

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Speaker 3: It is. You know, you know, the collector car industry

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Speaker 1: And it's not the three seas of diamonds. I know,

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Speaker 2: One of the three seeds of diamonds.

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Speaker 1: Cut, clarity, and color. Every lady knows.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. So I mean that's really so that's really

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Speaker 1: So how do you break the news to someone that hey, uh,

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Speaker 3: Just straight It's just straightforward, you know, like you know,

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Speaker 1: The thing is is that specifically what you're talking about, you.

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Speaker 3: such a vintage Porsche. I mean we're talking like nineteen

436
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: ninety five.

437
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's what are you calling me?

438
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

439
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: Correct, I say, it's your you know, graduate high school

440
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: in ninety six.

441
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: But perspective, perspective.

442
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: So again, I think all these brands, you know, Porsche, Ferrari,

443
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: that have strong market brands because they're making new products.

444
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: It just creates a new generation of enthusiasts that you know,

445
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: if they go down that rabbit hole, they eventually become collectors. Interesting,

446
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: you can feel that, you know, unlike a lot of

447
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: other brands, Porsche has seventy years of continuity of design aspect.

448
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: If you think of about nineteen forty eight when they

449
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: come out with the Gomonkoup, that greenhouse, that shape the

450
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: engine behind the rear transaxle hasn't changed from the new

451
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: brand new twenty twenty four to twenty five nine eleven

452
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Speaker 3: nine ninety two.

453
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Speaker 1: That's remarkable. I think that is really remarkable.

454
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Speaker 2: Do you ever say to I mean, I imagine you

455
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: guys all so, do you have dealerships? Also? Do you

456
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: sell new cars?

457
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: No, we don't sell new cars. No.

458
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: But but do you ever say to somebody who's looking

459
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: at say like an ST you know, or a GT

460
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: three you know, or even a career a S Like, dude,

461
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: you can get a much more interesting and enjoyable road

462
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: car for so much less and stay in the in

463
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: the pea car family. Like, do you ever steer somebody

464
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: away from a nine to nine to two purchase back

465
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: towards like a nine six four?

466
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Speaker 3: Or I mean I have this conversation daily weekly, you know,

467
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: I mean the st craze where people are willing to

468
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: give their youngest born to do a dealership to be

469
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: able to order one. It's amazing, Like, but you know,

470
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: that's how good the products are. I think the thing

471
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: that is a little annoying in the craze of the

472
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: modern world we live in is I walk into a

473
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 3: collection of someone I've just met, you know, just meaning

474
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: for the first time, and I walk in and they

475
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many collections have every g

476
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: T three rs mate starting like a nine nine six

477
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: generation like two thousand and four nin nine six GT three,

478
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 3: and then they go nine ninety seven and then nine

479
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: nine to one and they have like different colors and

480
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: different options.

481
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: And I do not understand.

482
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: I don't know.

483
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: I know a couple of guys who have that too,

484
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, why, Yeah, what's the difference between like

485
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: a nine nine seven GT three and a nine to

486
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: nine to one point two GT three? Y who cares?

487
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: But it's a psychology of collecting, right, Like, it's just

488
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: that having that every from A to B, you know,

489
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: A two C I should say, of every model. But

490
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: again that's the power of Portie because it's what's so beauty.

491
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: Having done this a while, I remember like three fifty

492
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: six guys one talk to nine to eleven guys and

493
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: nine fourteen guys were a tribe of their own, and

494
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: then you had the front transacts are yeah correct, let's

495
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: be honest, yeah, and then you have the front transaxle

496
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: guys nine four nine sixty eight and you know, but

497
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: you know Portia. Now social media is changed everything. I

498
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: mean if you think about the power, I mean, look

499
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 3: what Magnus has done, you know, Hannah significant other partner

500
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: husband now, but you know, the Urban and Outlaw kind

501
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: of changed the game because all of a sudden, cars

502
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: and coffee and modifying your nine to eleven. I like

503
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: he's one of the healthiest things for the industry because

504
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: it showed that you could modify your portia and that

505
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: used to be sacrilege, you know, even though people did

506
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: it in period. He made it kind of mass acceptable

507
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: if you will, to like modify your portion and actually

508
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 3: enjoy it.

509
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: So I feel for those listeners who aren't aware we're

510
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: talking about Magnus Walker. I think we always mentioned Magnets

511
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 2: as as if everyone in the world knows who he is, right,

512
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: and you know, certainly we do, but he There's a

513
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: documentary made about Magnus called Urban Outlaw way back in

514
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: the day, and it's definitely worth the watch. And the

515
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: cool thing I think that Magnus has done is showed

516
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: that you also don't have to spend five hundred thousand

517
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: dollars to modify your portsie. You cannot do it yourself.

518
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: That's it, right.

519
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I think we should say too, and I don't can't.

520
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Cam probably wouldn't say this so I'll say it for him.

521
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: He drove, came in GT four club Sport to victory,

522
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: to the to the winner's podium on Pike's Peak. And again,

523
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: that is a car that I know, Matt, we've spoken about.

524
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: Yes, now we're talking about Magnets. Didn't win at Pike's Peak.

525
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: No, No, sorry did I say Magnus. He drove, And

526
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm talking about Cam But to your point, again,

527
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: people don't think about the seven eighteen as being a

528
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: top of the hill car or you know, unless you know,

529
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: and if you know, you know that that is an amazing,

530
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: amazing car.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, give us your thoughts on that, because it's true.

532
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: You know, I was driving one a couple of weeks ago,

533
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: and I hadn't driven one since I think, like a

534
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: two thousand and.

535
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: Six Boxer, right, So what were you driving?

536
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Man?

537
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: I was driving the GTS four point zero, So it

538
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: wasn't the GT four, wasn't there full bred race car,

539
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: but it was still amazing. I mean, I loved it,

540
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: and it was leaps and bounds ahead of my friend's

541
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: you know Boxer that I drove back in two thousand

542
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: and six.

543
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: So well, did you what was the biggest impression on you.

544
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: For okay, for the first thing, for I don't we

545
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: don't have to go into my review here. But the

546
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: first thing for me was I was worried it was

547
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Speaker 2: going to be way too small for me because I'm

548
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: six ' four and it's not too small, like I

549
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: could fit in it pretty well. The second thing was

550
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: the sound. I was blown away by the sound. Now.

551
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: I was talking to Luke Vanazanda at Porscha and he

552
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: told me there's a resonator tube or something that comes

553
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: from the engine into the cabin. I want that tube

554
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: in every car I drive. You know, I don't care

555
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: if it's modified in some way because it just made

556
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: me really want to drive it hard.

557
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: Right.

558
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: And the other thing is you can on you know,

559
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: country back roads in America have so much fun with

560
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: that car, whereas a lot of cars they're just way

561
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: too fast. GT three or an st would it's stupid

562
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: to drive that, I agree in open road. So anyway,

563
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: enough of my impressions. It's a lot of car, do

564
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: you What do you have to say about that? Because

565
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: it's really evolved a lot.

566
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: I think it has. It's my favorite platform and it

567
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: is because it's approachable. It's a momentum car. I mean

568
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: it's GT four now with the four Leaders an amazing

569
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, it's more than a momentum car. But again

570
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: going back, I didn't really answer your question, Hannah, but

571
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: to address this is kind of all one answer. You know,

572
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: the thing about new Porsche products is they are so

573
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Speaker 3: good that they make an average driver really good. Like

574
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Speaker 3: I've seen a time and time again on the racetrack

575
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Speaker 3: of being on the track with novices, newbies, and how

576
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: good the products are that save their bacon in a

577
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: situation where otherwise there's no reason at all why the

578
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: car should be on the road. But if you want

579
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: to learn to be a great driver, the mid engine

580
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: platform of a Cayman and for the most part Generation

581
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: Camean's up to the four Leader are momentum car. So

582
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: you really have to understand dynamics, a vehicle handling dynamics.

583
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: And you know, it's a car that really turns on

584
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: an access more so than a nine to eleven that's

585
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: tail happy with all the driver aids turn off. But

586
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: that's what I really love about the cam in And

587
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: when I pursued racing Pike's Peak, I decided to go

588
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 3: on a journey of like, I'm going to learn how

589
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: to drive, I'm going to be really great at car control,

590
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: at least the best of my abilities. And that's when

591
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: I went through the whole port of Driving program and

592
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: I spent what was it like, fifteen twenty thousand miles

593
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: and it came in GT four club sport that'll do it,

594
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: and that will do it. And you know, once you

595
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: learn how to drive a momentum car and can really

596
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: be aware of your setting and really set up the

597
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: car for anything and handle yourself, you can about drive anything.

598
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, when you.

599
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Speaker 2: Say momentum car, I'm guessing you mean exactly that you

600
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: really need to build up your speed and get the

601
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: momentum because it's not it didn't blow me away in

602
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: terms of off the line power. No, that's it.

603
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean moment car being like

604
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: you really if you want to carry if you want

605
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: to set down a great lap time or just have

606
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: great time on the back roads, it's carrying as much

607
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 3: maximum speed through corners, whether it's slow speed or middle speed,

608
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: carrying as much speed as you can so you know,

609
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: every mile per hour accounts like, so you know, being

610
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: able to carry two two miles per hour more in

611
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: a corner makes all the difference in a lap lap time.

612
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: And how was Pike's Peak? I mean that looks like

613
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: one of the most fun races, at least for Jim.

614
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: You have to tell them how you prepared.

615
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: A viewer and also looks terrifying, right, I mean it's

616
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: very dangerous that race.

617
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's the thing I've know I'm filling

618
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: in a long time, and I know how committed she is.

619
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: I love her stories and I've always talked about her career,

620
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 3: like being a woman in what she's done in automotive.

621
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: You know, in the media world, it's amazing, and it's

622
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: like we have the same viewpoint of like if I'm

623
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: going to do something, I'm going to do one hundred percent.

624
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: So when I decided to do Pike's Peak, I lived

625
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: there for two months my first year. I did it

626
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 3: at elevation at elevation, and you know, I was the

627
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: best physical shape of my life. And I took it

628
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: very seriously. Of course, working every day remote working and

629
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, checking in the shop, all that fun stuff.

630
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: But I drove them out and every day I drove

631
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: them out. In three hours a day, and I learned

632
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: this from other people and that this is nothing new

633
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: that no one's ever done before. But like serious people

634
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: like Romaine Demas, who holds the record there, who's an

635
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: amazing fact Portia Factory Works driver that holds the title there.

636
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: You just said the record for the Edith car too,

637
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: that's right.

638
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's king, he's king of the mountain. Ye. Yes,

639
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: he's an amazing guy. But you know, driving that mountain

640
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: every day, and then seeking some of the Hall of

641
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: Fame people that actually went out with me. I asked him,

642
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: please go with me. I don't know, I know, you

643
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: don't know who the hell I am. I'll take you

644
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: out to a nice dinner, but you know, we got

645
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: out at every corner. There's one hundred and fifty six corners,

646
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 3: of course, twelve and a half miles up. And you

647
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: have to really understand the challenges of the mountain. And

648
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: that's what I did. I just really applied research and

649
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: homework and my second year I was lucky enough to

650
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: win doing it. So cool. Yeah, and you got second

651
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: the first year, right, I got second their first year.

652
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. Yeah, I mean it really paid off.

653
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. You know, I learned a lot from

654
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: Tanner Fouls who won the first year, who is an

655
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: amazing guy and not let of people are aware of

656
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: his racing career, but he's an engineer, Like he really

657
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: has an engineering mind. And uh, he taught me more

658
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: about the mountain and just car dynamics because he'd raced

659
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: the GT four before, had some seat time and he

660
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: was great. You know, the good thing about Pike's Peak

661
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: compared to wheeled wheel racing is that you're there and

662
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: you're really focused on your own program and you're you're

663
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: you're racing the mountain, so it becomes a of course,

664
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: there's competition, but it's more of a collaborative effort in

665
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: your own class, your own division of there's there a

666
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: lot more interaction and camaraderie going on than rather than

667
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: compared to wheel to wheel racing.

668
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sounds amazing, dude.

669
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: You got to go see it, Matt. It's so it's great.

670
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: Keep your winning car, yeah, I did, you know.

671
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: That's my first race car. I've kept it and I

672
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: use it still to this day with track. I had

673
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: a net in it earlier this year.

674
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: We love a net.

675
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were at Virginia International Raceway and she was like,

676
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: she goes, can I get in? I was like sure,

677
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: So there's like an extra large helmet. Of course she's

678
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: got a small noggin. We were like flying around the

679
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 3: mountain and like she's just flawing, flailing all over the car,

680
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm I'm going like six dance and acho.

681
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: She's like, go faster, this is great and stopped.

682
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Ah, that's awesome. That's a good response. Usually when I'm

683
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: being driven on the track, I'm like, slow down, I

684
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: need to get out by the way I want. I

685
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: wonder about You've mentioned.

686
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: V I R.

687
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: And you've obviously Pike's Peak, and I'm sure you spent

688
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: time at a lot of other tracks. Do you are

689
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: there certain tracks that you find where you feel most

690
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: at home or where you want to spend more time

691
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: or We were talking to a guy about Thermal a

692
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and it's just to me, it's

693
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: fascinating that they have.

694
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've not been to Thermal. I keep having it.

695
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 3: I need to get out there and spend some time.

696
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, we all get so busy in our lives,

697
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: but I have a lot of friends that invited me

698
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: to the Thermal, But I've done a lot of the

699
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: serious tracks in the United States. Obviously. Virginia International Raceway

700
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: is a great track. It's a long track, it's an

701
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: elevation change, it's off camber stuff. Roade Atlanta is another

702
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: one of my favorite road America and it's another beautiful

703
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: track that's a historic track, you know, the historic track.

704
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: Laguna Sega is a blast. It's so much fun. Luguna

705
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: Sega is.

706
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Just to talk about a historic track.

707
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering from a social perspective like a track,

708
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: because when body was telling us about Thermal, it was

709
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: like a club where he was friendly with all the

710
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: other women and men who were there. So it sounded

711
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: to me like a just a cool place to hang out.

712
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: I spent time at you know, a Lime Rock and

713
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: New Jersey Motorsports Park and had a blast, but I'd

714
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: never have been you know, like living there for a

715
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: few days and chilling with everybody.

716
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think that's the aspect of Thermal

717
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: that's been so successful, as it's a club, like you know,

718
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: like it's Monticello in New York. From what I have

719
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: not been to either one but I understand that. I mean,

720
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: the facilities are amazing. I understand it's the camaraderie of

721
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: a club atmosphere and people like they're going to go there,

722
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: maybe do an hour of track time, but it's more

723
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: of the getting together with like minded individuals from what

724
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: I understand.

725
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: You know, I just figured maybe some of your collectors

726
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: would have places like that as well. You've got what

727
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: fourteen clients sort of main clients that have big collections,

728
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: and I if I had a big collection, I would

729
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: also have a track, you know, a home.

730
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got nobody that owns your own track, but

731
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: we do a lot of track.

732
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: Owning your own track track that you kind of you know, Okay,

733
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm at Monticello, a member at Monticello.

734
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Collis does do track days for clients, don't you guys.

735
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, we do really great. We do about three

736
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: typically we do a three year and everyone brings out

737
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: their historic prize possessions.

738
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's like top top cream of the crop stuff.

739
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I've seen the photos. This is like the most exclusive

740
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: cool car gathering I've ever seen, especially for people who

741
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: like porsi us.

742
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: We've got to film that.

743
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit of a portion nerd fest for.

744
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Sure, Kim. I have to ask you, you know, I

745
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: happen to know that you actually went to school as

746
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: an artist and you're a very philosophical person. I think

747
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: that's one of the ways that we actually connect. And

748
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: I've seen photos of you, you know, with long hair

749
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: on skateboards, looking very you know, young and artistic. And

750
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious how your background as a creative person has

751
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: really led you to where you are now, because you know,

752
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: this conversation is focused on engineering and really sort of

753
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: more serious economy. Yeah, mechanical things, but I also know

754
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: there's an art to what you do. So I'd love

755
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: to hear how you see yourself and your evolution as

756
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: a person to where you are now with Rhodes Scholars.

757
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: That's an all encompassing question. It's interesting creative. You know,

758
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: we live in a creative economy when you think about

759
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: entrepreneurial spirit and capitalism. You know, our our our economies

760
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: based on creativity. You look at I mean, we were

761
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: in the green room and I felt my IQ go

762
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: up by three percent.

763
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: Good, that's our plan.

764
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: But you know, the thing that was on the monitor

765
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: was about AI and Navidia stock today, and I think

766
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: it's a hard transition. I saw a lot of my

767
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: mentor struggle as being shop owners who were had expertise

768
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: in subject matter about restoring cars or mechanical abilities, and

769
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: they struggled with running into business. And I think that's

770
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: the greatest challenge we have as small business owners is

771
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: if you're a subject matter expert or an artist like myself,

772
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 3: how do you become a good business person, a responsible

773
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: business person that creates an environment for your employees that

774
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: can flourish. And how do you think other beyond beyond

775
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: paying the bills and the day to day? How do

776
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: you create a business plan it's sustainable. How do you

777
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: have you know, do you have plans for the future,

778
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: what your ten year fore cast looks like. So it's

779
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: really just encompassing business five hundred ideas into a small business.

780
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I've always just been fascinated by

781
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: that and taking my art degree all the time I

782
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: worked in restoration shops growing up, and understanding a lot

783
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: of the crafts people that I work with, all of

784
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: our team members, understanding that like most of these people

785
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: would not fit in in a normal corporate structure, and

786
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: how to manage those. It's a wild group of people,

787
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: like vast backgrounds, different nations. We look like United nations.

788
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: Everyone has a significant ego.

789
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: So of course it's cars, correct.

790
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: So you know, so dealing with clients and in our own employee,

791
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: our own teammates, you know, it's a never ending challenge

792
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: of okay, so yeah, let's get every one point in

793
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: the right direction.

794
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask about your favorite car. You

795
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: told us already about your favorite platform. And I know

796
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: it's a huge question, right, but uh.

797
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: You can say donks if you want to, Oh, I

798
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: like donks, you can answer it even more generally. Uh,

799
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: but secret obsessions?

800
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: What are what are donks?

801
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Matt, what.

802
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: Is that like?

803
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: It sounds like a It sounds like a from the

804
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: South camp.

805
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 3: Were not to bring it down so to North Carolina

806
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: for a cultural trip.

807
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: It sounds like a Dutch one off. What's the dogs?

808
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: Other life come on? Like twenty two rims?

809
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: Oh?

810
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh oh my god, lowrider? Yeah, well yeah, we got

811
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: to bring it back for that. We got to bring

812
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: it up North Caline for some donk action. So I

813
00:40:59,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: will be the.

814
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I haven't really delved into.

815
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand, uh slammed trucks.

816
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't get the whole.

817
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: So you know what's amazing thing is this donk this movement,

818
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: if you will, this like subculture of car culture. These

819
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: guys are spending massive I mean they're building these putting

820
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: a half a million dollars into an old mobile with

821
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: an amazing horsepower and metal flake paint and killer sound system.

822
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: And you know, to me, it's fascinating because all cars,

823
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: you know, everything has its place, and I love that

824
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: stuff and the creativity, you know, that's what's so fun

825
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 3: of it is someone like we compete up Pebble Beach

826
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: and all the great shows in the world. It's like

827
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: showing horses, but when you get to go to somewhere

828
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: where it's a whole different philosophy and culture. But it's

829
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: the same amount of attention and time and money spent.

830
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've just googled you. Yeah, and it is insane, Like.

831
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: Some of these vehicles have a thousand horse power and

832
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: you know they're racing for pink slips and it's like

833
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: so much fun.

834
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: I'm looked. But this is the same same thing as

835
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: when I see slammed trucks or you know cars that

836
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: are customized to make them look like the axles broke, right.

837
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't understand what it can't handle, well, just how

838
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't it cannot be a good ride.

839
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, I've seen some great rides with air suspension.

840
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: And you know, that's the thing about the automotive world,

841
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: like whether you're a high end shop like us doing

842
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: concor work, or you're a shop you know, putting a

843
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: half a million dollars into a donk or you know

844
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: the Riddler. You know, there's the whole hot rod world

845
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: like the Riddler Award, you know where they're spending up

846
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: to a million dollars on the Riddler car to win

847
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: the Riddler Award in Detroit. So that's what's so fun

848
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: about the industry is when I meet somebody in the

849
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 3: industry that owns a shop or they work in a shop,

850
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: and we come from different disciplines, but we can relate

851
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: on quality.

852
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: So it seems like you guys kind of go in

853
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: cycles Pike's Peak with a big project for you. Obviously

854
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: multiple wins at Pebble those were multi year projects. What

855
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: are you looking for in the next few years for

856
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: the shop or for yourself personally?

857
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, we just did a really cool project

858
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: for Phillips Seraphim and it was so cool. He owned

859
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: some Myers. Yeah great, He's just a great human being.

860
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: So I was really honored when he approached us to

861
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: do a Myers Manx Carrera project.

862
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: What is like the buggy right?

863
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, so he said, he called me out, and

864
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: he goes, Cam, I've got one of the last original

865
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: Myers Manx bodies from the sixties and one of our

866
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: short wheel short wheelbase chassis like leftover. And he goes,

867
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: and I just bought a Carera two engine. Would you

868
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: be interested in because we're one of the few shops

869
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: in the country that rebuilds four cam engines. He goes,

870
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: would you be interested in building like a Kurera GT

871
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: Manx because I really love the idea of what Vasik Pollock,

872
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: what he did for porschez a distributor. As a shop owner,

873
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: I want to do like the ultimate Carera Manx. I said, hell, yeah,

874
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: like that sounds amazing and that's not our normal. Yeah.

875
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, Is this for him personally or for the business?

876
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Are you doing a series of these or a run

877
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: of these?

878
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: We just did it, so he just has to do

879
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: it for I mean for him, for the business. And

880
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: it went to Goodwood Festival, I mean the Goodwood Festival

881
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 3: Speed which was great, and it went around the track

882
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: and they had the Manx Anniversary and it was one

883
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: of the future cars and it was just at Loofed

884
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: and it is one of the coolest things we've ever

885
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: done because the car weighs, you know, eight hundred pounds

886
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: and it's got one hundred and eighty horse power and

887
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: it's just a ripper, Like it's so fun. And we

888
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: used all these original parts. We used original five point

889
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: fifty spider RSK five fifty, all these priceless parts and

890
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: put together a modern suspension and the thing just is

891
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: so fun to drive. So that was fun to do.

892
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: And we got a kind of a top secret project

893
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 3: coming up soon. That's our first. It's a Safari. I'll

894
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: just I'll let that out of the bag, but that's

895
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: that's coming out soon.

896
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: You're not a private client or a company.

897
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: It's our private client. And that's really fun. We're doing

898
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: that in collaboration with T. J. Russell. Russell Bilch, he

899
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: built some outstanding safaris. Yeah, but like real like he

900
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: has a I like working with a field. We rarely

901
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: do a collaboration. It was honored to do collaboration with

902
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 3: Myers Banks, and it's fun to do one with TJ

903
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: because he has won the Baja. Like you're serious. These

904
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: are serious people, So that's I enjoy that.

905
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: So and you're not a purist, because I was thinking

906
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: when I when reading about your shop, I and how

907
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: you do put things back to exactly or you try

908
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: and get them back to exactly how they were built

909
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: in the factory. I was thinking maybe you would be

910
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: saying no to a client who says, but I also

911
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: want like a stereo system.

912
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Or you know, you know. I think the thing along

913
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: in where we are as a company and a career,

914
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 3: the things that stimulate me or excite me, Like we're

915
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: showing a car for mister McNeil at Pebble Beach next year,

916
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 3: David McNeil, who owns weather Tech. So that's exciting and

917
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: it's a very rare career GTE. They only made five

918
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: of them, and it's a really beautiful car. We're excited

919
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: to show that. But I'm more excited into things we're

920
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 3: certainly that's our main vertical and restoration. But I think

921
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: we're going to become more and more of a boutique

922
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: shop for one off projects. And that's exciting because we

923
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: get to flex our muscles of everything we do as

924
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: crafts people in our abilities, and we get to flex

925
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: on building something really unique and really beautiful.

926
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: And you've already proven yourself essentially in your original vertical, right,

927
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you are winning, you've already won, so

928
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: you might as well try a new challenge.

929
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. I think that's it. I think in

930
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: everyone's career, whatever you're doing as a career, what is

931
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: the next thing that's going to really stimulate you to

932
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: keep evolving as a person or as a business if

933
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: you're a business owner or in your own career, what's

934
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: gonna step up your game to keep evolving, you know,

935
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: and also keep my staff engage like you know we

936
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: can do. The funny thing is like we're getting ready

937
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: to finish next week. In nineteen seventy five Turbo, which

938
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: is the first year of the nine eleven Turbo, and

939
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: that was Porscha's first supercar, and we don't we forget

940
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: how important that was and that was during if you

941
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: think about nineteen seventy five. What was happen in the world.

942
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: It was a whole nother era of like a lot

943
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: of adversity happening in the world, gas crisis all that.

944
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: But this car is painted Matt Black from the factory.

945
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Cool.

946
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: How cool?

947
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: Is that?

948
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Weird?

949
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: Is that weird? No? No, did I that? When this

950
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: customer approaches, like, I want this is the second seventy

951
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: five turtle. He has an amazing turbo collection, probably one

952
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 3: of the best turbo collections in the world, nine eleven

953
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: nine eleven's and he said, you know, I have this

954
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: cool project in what you guys do it's Matt Black

955
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: seventy five turbles, Like what they can't even be real?

956
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: What's the interior?

957
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: It's triple black. The whole car is bloow. So it's

958
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: gonna be great because it's gonna go to all these

959
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: shows and people are like, what is this primer car here?

960
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: Why is it not finished? And it's just gonna be

961
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: fuddle all the extent You're.

962
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: Gonna be like, not finished. This took us nine hundred

963
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: fifty hours of paint shop exactly.

964
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: So that's the beauty of this project. I think it's

965
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: gonna blow people's mind because they're just like, wait, yeah,

966
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: why is it Matt Black.

967
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: Well, in a way, there's nothing new. I mean all

968
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: of these new trends that we see, honestly, most of

969
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: them are not actually new. They're updates of things that

970
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: have come in previous.

971
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: I have the I love to think sometimes like in that,

972
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: you know, like anybody who has an overactive mind. I'm

973
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: in bed and I'm going who was this baller person

974
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five with their bell bottoms and said,

975
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: you know what I want to murdered out nine to eleven? Like,

976
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: you know not even.

977
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: By the way, have you ever thought about doing or

978
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: have you done a run of products? Hannah made me

979
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: think about it when she asked if the Meyers Manx

980
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: Carrera would be you know, would you make a you know,

981
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: a run a limited run? And I know and like,

982
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: you know, Magnus is doing this thing with the Jaguar,

983
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: which I think is so cool. Yeah, and obviously Rob

984
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: and Singer have done very well with that that business model.

985
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about going in that direction with Yeah?

986
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I had.

987
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: I had a real moment not too long ago where

988
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: a private equity group approached me about doing something significant.

989
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: You know, man, you're becoming almost like a manufacturer. Like

990
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: what Singer's done is nothing short of amazing. We just

991
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: had a customer DLS Design Lightweight project delivered to the

992
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: shop and we maintained its car collection, and I was

993
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: blown away, you know, really spending time up close and

994
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: personal with that project. With that you know, they made

995
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: seventy five of them, It's incredible. It's just incredible. But

996
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: to answer your question directly, Matt, I just I think

997
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: I've made I've made the realization that I'm more focused

998
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: on scaling down and being about quality than scaling up

999
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 3: and having one hundred employees and scaling and buying more

1000
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: real estate. That doesn't interest me because I could do

1001
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: that and spend the next fifteen years of my life

1002
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: grinding it out, and I've already grounded out seven days

1003
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: a week for a long time. Yeah, And I'm more

1004
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: interested in I'm more interested in refining what we have

1005
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: started and finishing strong of like, how do we restore

1006
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: some of the best cars to our ability in the

1007
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: world with an authentic approach, But really, how do we

1008
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: I'm more fascinated with the idea of doing bespoke projects

1009
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: like I really admire alois Roof and what he's done

1010
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: as a manufacturer, and obviously Singer. We're in this new

1011
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: era now where people are spending million dollars all the

1012
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: time on reimagine recreated hot rod Porsches. That's amazing to me.

1013
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: And it's an established market, right, it's not going anywhere,

1014
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: And all the old timers were like, oh, there's not

1015
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 3: gonna lash.

1016
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, well, it used to be kind of a

1017
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: bad word, right, you know, to do that.

1018
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: Right, and you know there's key players, you know, you

1019
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: look at Gunther Works and Singer and it's amazing what

1020
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: they've done, and you know, yeah, and I just I

1021
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: like I said that, I was really flattered when I

1022
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: was approached to create something and I the ego, My

1023
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: ego entertained it for a split second, and I'm like,

1024
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 3: you know, I really just don't feel that important at

1025
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: that drive, Like I need to stamp something out that's

1026
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: based on a Porsche platform and it's gonna be Rhodes

1027
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: scholars and we're going to be throw our hat in

1028
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: that ring. I think it's more it'd be really more

1029
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: unique to work with great people and build one off

1030
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 3: projects to you know, to complement our restoration business.

1031
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: I think it's better. I like that better as well,

1032
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: because doing one offs is more like what an artist

1033
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: would do. Yeah, right, an artist isn't going to make

1034
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: a run of prints.

1035
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like growing the business to having like fifty people,

1036
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: fifty employees, and then you know, I work every morning,

1037
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: I work with my team. I'm on the floor for

1038
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: the first four hours of the day. Like I really

1039
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: I need that. Like if I couldn't do that, I

1040
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: wouldn't do this business. Like we sell cars, but our

1041
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: expertise and what we do in our service department, our

1042
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: restoration department, gives us credibility and selling high level cars

1043
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: based on our knowledge and growing a shop where we're

1044
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: just stamping out cars and the only thing you're choosing

1045
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: is the color in the interior, after we've established whatever

1046
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: platform it is. I don't know. I really went down

1047
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: this mental exercise and did the math and looked at

1048
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: the numbers. I was like, oh, this would be you know,

1049
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: it's great, but what do is that really going to

1050
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: satisfy me when I'm sixty years If I make it

1051
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: to sixty, you'll make it, you know.

1052
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Anymore?

1053
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, I was like I'm not really

1054
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: really to double down on stress. I just want to scale.

1055
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: Like I said, for us, scaling down, being scaled and

1056
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: being focused is more important to me.

1057
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Cam. That makes perfect sense and I really see that

1058
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: up for you, And thanks for joining us today. This

1059
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: has been so great.

1060
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: That was an excellent conversation. Cat.

1061
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that Cam restores the top Porsches

1062
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: in the world. But he's not snotty at all. He

1063
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: is not this stuck up guy. He is the most

1064
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: down to earth, nerdy but artistic but cool guy who

1065
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: also has a secret affinity for Donks.

1066
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: True. You know, I'm going to dive into the Donks world.

1067
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: I know you are.

1068
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: By the way, shoot us an email if you like

1069
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net is the address. We're

1070
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: always happy to hear your question.

1071
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: You will write back.

1072
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: We will the whole interview. I was thinking, there's one

1073
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: thought kind of in the back of my mind is, man,

1074
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: his dad must be proud of him, Like, you've turned

1075
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: out well, Cam, You've done it right, dude.

1076
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: So Apple didn't fall from the tree on that, I think,

1077
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Bob Ingram.

1078
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bob. I was just thinking, like if

1079
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: I were a dad, I would be proud of a son.

1080
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 3: Like this, So that's very fair.

1081
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, cool, that's all we have for this week.

1082
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: Join us, same time, same place next week.

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