1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: The Jaguars and the Bills coming up on Monday Night 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Football are Rutledge on the sideline. Chris Fowler has the 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: play by play with Dan Orlovsky and Lewis Riddick, who 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: joins US now NFL college football analyst with ESPN since 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, former NFL safety and personnel man with Washington 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: and Philadelphia. That's a long intro, but it's nice to 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: talk with you and the Jags on Monday Night. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: And you're back on it too. It's good to see 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: you lose. Yeah, thanks a lot. Yeah, we're looking forward 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: to this game, man, We're really looking forward to it. 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people in both of these staffs. 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: This will be fun. 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Jags off to an zero to two start, not something 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: they were expecting around here in Doovole. 15 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: But when you look at. 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: The Jags through those two games, what's your greatest concern 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: about this team? 18 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Lack of identity, lack of an ability to really be 19 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: able to call on certain players or certain schemes and 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: concepts that you know are got to have it type 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: of players and or concepts, and that's very frustrating. Look, 22 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: I understand we're still in the early part of the season, 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: and you know, and they're just getting ready to complete 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Week three. 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: But considering how long. 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: That this coaching staff and this head coach in particular, 27 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: and he's spoken to this already, has been with this 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: quarterback in particular, that he felt that they would be 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: further along at this point. They don't understand quite why 30 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: they're not a little bit further along in terms of 31 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: their consistency. And a lot of that has to do 32 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: with the fact that usually that means that the coach 33 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 2: doesn't quite know what he has yet and the players 34 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: haven't really demonstrated that to him yet. And so look 35 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: at a hell of a stage to try and find 36 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: that out on Monday night in Buffalo, which is one 37 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: of the toughest places to play. I know I played 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: up there a couple of times, and it is brutal 39 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 2: and I'm not talking weather, I'm just talking an atmosphere. 40 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: It's just suffocating. But it's also, at the same time, 41 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: maybe exactly what they need because their backs are against 42 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: the wall. They don't want to go down. Oh three, 43 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: Doug knows Sean. They've worked together. We were all in 44 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: the same building at one time in Philly. There's a 45 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: lot at stake and a lot of emotion involved. And 46 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: that's probably what you want to see as a Jaguars fan. 47 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: You want to see some emotion out of this team, 48 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: and you really want to see some emotion out of 49 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: number sixteen. You want to see him go, I'm the 50 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: guy they're paying me like the guy. I don't need 51 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: to fly under the radar. I need to fly above 52 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: the radar now. I need to go ahead and put 53 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: myself in harm's way and be the people that everyone 54 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: focuses in on because they're paying me to be that guy. 55 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: We'll see we. 56 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Were really the last week after the game was the 57 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: first time we heard him publicly, you know, call out 58 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: teammates and himself and the coaches. And it just didn't 59 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: look right last week and he kind of had it 60 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: up to hear for lack of a better term, And 61 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: I guess the question is how does the team respond 62 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: to that? And but you have to have some equity 63 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: built up to get the team buy in too. 64 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: Right, no doubt. 65 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: And I think I mean that's a great point, right So, 66 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: and the equity can't be just the equity, so to speak, 67 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: in your bank account. 68 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: It's not about what you're getting all the field success equity, right. 69 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I know what you mean. 70 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, for him, it has to go 71 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: beyond that. And I think that's why maybe it feels 72 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: a little awkward to see him do that right right 73 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: now from the outside or from the inside, because people 74 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: are gonna sit there and go, well, trev you've shown flashes. 75 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: I know what they said about you the day you 76 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: got drafted. 77 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: I know how much Dabblo loves you and Clemson, but 78 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: this ain't Clemson, and you know what, this isn't the draft, 79 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: and we really don't care how much money you make. 80 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: What we care about is whether or not you're gonna 81 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: pick up third downs. You're gonna make those plays that 82 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: are special, one of one plays like the guy who's 83 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 2: gonna be standing on the other sideline has been doing 84 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: on a regular basis since he's gotten into the league. 85 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: And this dude, and he's been doing it and he 86 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: still gets killed with you know, stinging criticism. 87 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: Going too many turnovers, he's. 88 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: Overrated, all the nonsense that you hear said about Josh Allen. 89 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: It's gonna start coming Trevor's way in waves if he 90 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: isn't able to build up that equity based on his 91 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: performance on the field, and I think this is one 92 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: of those This is one of those turning points types 93 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: of games for him, and I don't want to make that. 94 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: You know, the big giant profamation of this is the 95 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: fork in the row for Trevor Lawrence's career, But for 96 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: this season, this is huge. This is huge because of 97 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: you don't want to go down No. 98 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: Three. 99 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: You know what that means for your playoff chances. Two, 100 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: you see how the other team in Houston is doing 101 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: in the division right now, and how CJ. Strout is playing. 102 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: And honestly, if you're shot Khan, you're sitting there going 103 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: I paid you to be a difference make So Yeah, 104 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: it's more than him, but it starts with him. 105 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick, ESPN NFL analysts on Monday Night Football, a 106 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: little more on Josh Allen the Bills side of things. 107 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, he's right there at the top of his game, 108 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: but I guess why. I mean, we know he can 109 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: run the ball too. There's a lot of that. It's crazy. 110 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: He's eleven rushing touchdowns short of Fred Taylor. That tells 111 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: you how many times he's run the ball as well, 112 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: but it's what he does through the air and that 113 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: arm strength and talent that comes with it. 114 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's done a lot of that in the 115 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: past because of out of necessity. I mean, so when 116 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: Brian Daball was the coordinator, or you know, when Ken 117 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Dorsey was the coordinator, they wanted to be what Sean 118 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: wanted them to be, which was a multi dimensional, balanced offense, 119 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: but they just weren't because they weren't able to capture 120 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage on a regular basis. The backs 121 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: just weren't. They just hadn't demonstrated that you could rely 122 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: on them. The way in which the backs look like 123 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: this year, they may be able to be relied upon, 124 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: and the line of scrimmage is so much better. This 125 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: starting group of five that they have right now is 126 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: as tough and as nasty as any in the NFL. 127 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: So I think Josh may not. Josh is probably starting 128 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: to feel like I don't need to do those kind 129 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: of things. I can do them, but I don't have 130 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: to do them. One it's better for their overall overall 131 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: offensive attack, and two it's gonna be better for his longevity, 132 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: and three I think this is really, like I said 133 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: in the beginning, this is what Shawn's been preaching to 134 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: him anyway, this is how he's wanted them to be. 135 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: He'll still be able to put on the cape when 136 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: he needs to. He'll still be able to make the 137 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: throws like he made the steff On last year that 138 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: he dropped against Kansas City that would have won them 139 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: the game. More than likely, he can do those kind 140 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: of things that maybe only he a guy like Justin Field's, 141 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: a guy like Anthony Richardson in terms of pure arm 142 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: strength can do. But he can just kind of keep 143 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: that holstered, and that's just going to make them all 144 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: the more dangerous, man, it really is. I don't know 145 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: how long they can continue to play at such a 146 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: high level on defense if they don't get their frontline 147 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: players back. You give them credit for the way they've 148 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: drafted and developed, because these kids are studs. The way 149 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: that they're playing, the way guys like Baal in Spector 150 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: and Dorian Went, and the way these guys are playing 151 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: at linebacker and Christian you know, Benford and Cam Lewis 152 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: and those guys are playing in the back end. Look 153 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: tip your cap to Brandon being the GM, but you 154 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: need your frontline guys back because the very definition of 155 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: a back up is someone who can do it three 156 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: to five games, hold down the fort and the team 157 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: can continue to chug along. I don't know, maybe they 158 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: found the next line of superstars for them, which if 159 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: they have that, Brandon Bean needs to be GM of 160 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: the Year, which he may be when this is all 161 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: said and done. But that's the side of the ball 162 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: that worries me. We'll see. It's an opportunity though, for 163 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Jacksonville to go ahead and say, hey, look, let us 164 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: be the ones who kind of expose some of the 165 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: holes that you have based on who you have available. 166 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: It would do wonders for them and their confidence, especially 167 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: doing it up there, and they need it bad. 168 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: They need it to be able to do that exploit 169 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: some of those things. At the back end of that 170 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: defense got to be able to stop the pass rush too. 171 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: And this is eight year left tackle Cam Robinson, tenth 172 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: year center Mitch Morse who played there, the right guard 173 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: is in his tenth year, and Sheriff and then Anton 174 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Harrison's the second year guy. How do they match up 175 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: against this great pass rushing unit? 176 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know the way you put it. 177 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: Really it's gonna come down to this between Ezra, Mitch, 178 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: and Brandon. That's where it starts. Those guys like you 179 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: saw snaps last week where those three in particular, we're 180 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: getting victimized. Look, look, I mean, Miles is Miles Garrett. 181 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: He's gonna beat everybody. So you understand that it's not 182 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: gonna be just one guy. It's not gonna be just Cam, 183 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: it's not gonna be just Antime by themselves. If you 184 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: leave them by by themselves against him, then you're asking 185 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: to get your ass kicked. To be a blunt about it, 186 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: and you probably deserve it. But the interior three have 187 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: to be the ones that really keep that pocket secure 188 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: and allow Trevor to step up when he needs to 189 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: or just sit there when he needs to and see 190 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: the field clearly and distribute and develop some chemistry. If 191 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: you see blowbys happen with them, if you're seeing Ed 192 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: Oliver in in in Trevor's face mask play after play, 193 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: it's not gonna it's not gonna work. And they're better 194 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: than that. That group of three is better than what 195 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: they've showed, and they're gonna have to play that way, 196 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: and I think there's no question. I think if you 197 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: ask Doug, where does it start on offense outside the quarterback, 198 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: I think capturing the line of scrimmage number one, getting 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: some push in the run game is where it starts. 200 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: But past protection, man, we have to be able to 201 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: throw the football, and if we can't because two you three, 202 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: in particular, allowing the pocket to get violated play after play, 203 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: it ain't gonna work. So that's where that's where my 204 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: eyes will be focused Monday. 205 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: For sure. 206 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: It'll be a great matchup, great visit with you, Lewis. 207 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for the time and have a great call on Monday. 208 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: Appreciate it, man, thanks for having me.