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Speaker 1: While we're continuing to witness the rise of socialism in America.
Speaker 1: Really it's the rise of communism in America. Radical l
Speaker 1: Sieed and moderate Hailey Stevens battled it out for the
Speaker 1: Senate Democratic nomination in Michigan. L SIEID has won, shocking
Speaker 1: the nation. The radical left, they're putting a death grip
Speaker 1: on the Democratic Party and they're cascading off the cliff.
Speaker 1: If you will open borders, abortion on demand, after birth,
Speaker 1: reckless spending that's driving up inflation, abolishing ice, empty prisons.
Speaker 1: Why abolish our current way of life? It's crazy and
Speaker 1: all I has continue to lock in on the war
Speaker 1: on Iran in the Middle East. The President is clear
Speaker 1: he is going to end Iran's nuclear threat. For forty
Speaker 1: seven years, they've been rogue and defiant the negotiation games
Speaker 1: that they've been going through over the last few weeks months,
Speaker 1: President Trump, He's done with it. We need to be
Speaker 1: praying earnestly for our leaders and for peace in the
Speaker 1: Middle East right now.
Speaker 2: Riley Gaines exploded.
Speaker 1: You remember her in culture when she took a no
Speaker 1: men in women's sports stand in the NCAA. Now Indiana
Speaker 1: Fever superstar WNBA Sophie's Cunningham has taken a stand no
Speaker 1: men in women's sports and locker rooms. I'll add the
Speaker 1: WNBA coaches they're squirming a little, seemed confused over what
Speaker 1: a woman is. Social media is going wild over it all.
Speaker 1: Riley Gaines said this, the WNBA has a problem with
Speaker 1: conservative politics and sports. Probably he's not going to end
Speaker 1: well here. Support by the way is growing nationally for
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham. They're showing up the games. It's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting to continue to watch how this thing unfolds.
Speaker 1: And I've got to bring up Fauci. Those Fauci hearings.
Speaker 1: They were horrific and a total mess. You lied to
Speaker 1: the American people during the proceedings. He pleaded the fifth
Speaker 1: over one hundred times. Just insane. How many people died?
Speaker 1: How much money did they all make? How does he
Speaker 1: get away with this criminal garbage? Senator Ran Paul announced
Speaker 1: the possible Senate vote to hold Fouching and contept Congress,
Speaker 1: and then he wants to make a recommendation to the
Speaker 1: DOJ on what to do.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 1: I know, our hope, our strength comes from the Lord.
Speaker 1: Here's a great verse to hold on to this week,
Speaker 1: Isaiah forty one, Verse ten. Don't fear, for I am
Speaker 1: with you. Don't be dismayed, for I am your God.
Speaker 1: I will strengthen you, and I will help you, and
Speaker 1: I will uphold you with my righteous hand. All this
Speaker 1: and mores. We jump headfirst into our discussion here on Sunday,
Speaker 1: the road forward. Let's pray and we're going to get
Speaker 1: started God be with us, bless our time here, Use
Speaker 1: it for your glory. God, guide us, help us to
Speaker 1: stay close to your heart. May we bring great glory
Speaker 1: to you and all that we do in Jesus' name. Amen,
Speaker 1: let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Johns now Is Gary Bauer.
Speaker 1: Bauer served in President Ronald Rega's administration for eight years
Speaker 1: as Under Secretary of Education and Chief Domestic Policy Advisor. Today,
Speaker 1: he serves as president of American Values and educational nonprofit
Speaker 1: organization right there in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: He's also senior.
Speaker 1: Vice president of public Policy for the doctor James Dobson
Speaker 1: Family Institute. Gary, welcome back, Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: Thank you Tim. Always great to see you and talk
Speaker 3: about the great issues of the day.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 1: President Trump a few weeks ago claimed that communism was
Speaker 1: probably the greatest threat to America. And this socialism communism
Speaker 1: rise that we're seeing all over this country is shocking.
Speaker 1: It's stunning. We saw it this week in the primary
Speaker 1: up in Michigan. I just wanted to get your take
Speaker 1: on what you think in the what in the world's happening.
Speaker 3: Gary, Yeah, as usual, Tim, President Trump, who we both
Speaker 3: admired greatly, always gets it right. Communism is like the
Speaker 3: walking dead, you know, no matter how many times we
Speaker 3: think it's finally proven itself to be a failure and
Speaker 3: it's gone and we don't have to worry about it anymore,
Speaker 3: it comes roaring back with a new generation that's never
Speaker 3: seen the mass murderer and all the rest that always
Speaker 3: comes with it, And I think that's exactly what we're
Speaker 3: seeing today. He also said that racing Michigan was not
Speaker 3: between a socialist and a liberal Democrat. It was between
Speaker 3: a communist and a socialist, referring to the Liberal Democrat.
Speaker 3: So the Democrat Party is moving further and further to
Speaker 3: the left, and it's this dangerous alliance we're seen between
Speaker 3: radical Islam and Marxism. It's a threat to our country,
Speaker 3: it's a threat to our future. And it shows me
Speaker 3: that the Republican Party has got to get its act together.
Speaker 3: We've got to be a lot more stude. They have
Speaker 3: to be a lot more a stude. They've got to
Speaker 3: be willing to argue the philosophical case for freedom. We
Speaker 3: can't take for granted that the American people, particularly are young,
Speaker 3: already understand that Gary.
Speaker 1: My understanding is Gary Peters, the incumbent decided not to run,
Speaker 1: and so there was a kind of a playoff between
Speaker 1: abdual ealth Sieid and I think her name is Hailey Stevens.
Speaker 1: She was supposed to be, like you said, more moderate.
Speaker 1: I guess Gary, help us understand again who these people
Speaker 1: really are. We know that there's this Islamic kind of
Speaker 1: dearborn Michigan. It's just like they've taken that place over.
Speaker 1: And that's who else I eed is connected to. But
Speaker 1: what does all this mean again? What's happening here? How
Speaker 1: can someone so radical get into that kind of place
Speaker 1: that nomination?
Speaker 3: There are a lot of reasons, Tim I you know
Speaker 3: you mentioned you're always kind of enough to remind people
Speaker 3: that I work for Ronald Reagan for a years. I
Speaker 3: run into people today saying I just wish we had
Speaker 3: another Ronald Reagan. Man. You know he would sweep into office. No,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't, because the America we have today is not
Speaker 3: the America that elected Ronald Reagan into landslides. One difference
Speaker 3: is there's been a tremendous demographic change in our country,
Speaker 3: and even though the left denies it and some people
Speaker 3: are confused about it. Cultures are different, they have different values.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to be a country where people bring their
Speaker 3: culture with him, but then they assimilate, you know, Union
Speaker 3: Many for one. Today we have the exact opposite. We
Speaker 3: have people bringing Third World cultures here and hanging on
Speaker 3: to them, often having more loyalty to the traditions of
Speaker 3: the place they left for reasons I assume was that
Speaker 3: they didn't like but they come here and they recreate
Speaker 3: that culture. So we have places in Michigan like Deerborn,
Speaker 3: where in some neighborhoods it looks more like a neighborhood
Speaker 3: you would see in the Middle East, not a neighborhood
Speaker 3: you would see in the Middle West. And this guy
Speaker 3: that just won in Michigan, he was much more animated
Speaker 3: and much more committed to arguing about the West Bank
Speaker 3: in Israel than he was about what's happening in the
Speaker 3: West End of Detroit where minority families are suffering and
Speaker 3: can't walk the streets in safety. So these are alien philosophy.
Speaker 3: They're gaining ground. And then you add on top of that,
Speaker 3: every year we graduate out of our left wing universities,
Speaker 3: more young Americans that have been indoctrinated into socialism and
Speaker 3: Marxism and have been taught anti American history, not American history,
Speaker 3: and all of this together is a witch's brew that
Speaker 3: risk America losing everything we have stood for for the
Speaker 3: last two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1: We saw a tweet come out by former Secretary of
Speaker 1: State Mike Pompeo, and he said, here's a sentence that
Speaker 1: you probably thought you never read ten years ago. Hamas'
Speaker 1: supporter may well be well. He is the Democrats nominee
Speaker 1: to represent Michigan in the Senate. The Democratic Party, he said,
Speaker 1: is headed down a truly dark road. All Americans need
Speaker 1: to wake up to this threat. I mean people are
Speaker 1: talking now openly about this is a real, real threat
Speaker 1: to America. We're not talking about people just trying to
Speaker 1: get elect in office. Something is like you said, Gary Brewing,
Speaker 1: and it's not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Tim Adlai Stevenson, I believe, ran against Dwight David Eisenhower
Speaker 3: at one point, and they were very different about a
Speaker 3: whole lot of things, you know, the size of government
Speaker 3: and so forth. But America wasn't going to be an
Speaker 3: appreciably different place if Stevenson won or Eisenhower won as
Speaker 3: he did. On broad important things, there was agreement, and
Speaker 3: that was the case. You know, you can go right
Speaker 3: up to JFK and Richard Nixon. I mean they went
Speaker 3: at each other. They had big disagreements, but not about
Speaker 3: whether America was a good place, not whether we were
Speaker 3: a shining city on a hill, not on the question
Speaker 3: of whether our liberty came from God or came from government.
Speaker 3: On the big things, we were all in the same page.
Speaker 3: No longer the age we are living in, there are
Speaker 3: two widely separate ideologies I could competing with each other.
Speaker 3: And if the group that we saw won this primary
Speaker 3: this week in Michigan, if they end up running America,
Speaker 3: it will not be a safe place for people like us.
Speaker 3: It will not be a place with as much freedom
Speaker 3: for our grandchildren as you and I Tim were fortunate
Speaker 3: enough to enjoy in our years in America.
Speaker 1: Gary, I'm gonna close this way election integrity. Again, in
Speaker 1: the midst of all this stuff, you're seeing all this happen,
Speaker 1: and then you come back and think, well does it
Speaker 1: even matter? I mean, based on what we've learned about
Speaker 1: voter rolls in things like that, the integrity side of
Speaker 1: the things missing. Gary, something's going to happen. Is the
Speaker 1: Save America Act gonna get through the Senate or not?
Speaker 2: You think?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, Gosh, I try to be optimistic these days
Speaker 3: about everything. Why do I have a hard time being
Speaker 3: optimistic about this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: People talked about getting rid of the filibuster because that
Speaker 3: would be the way to pass it. Unfortunately, I don't
Speaker 3: believe we've got fifty Republicans willing to pass it. Even
Speaker 3: though there are fifty three Republican Senators now, a couple
Speaker 3: of the ones that won't vote for it are leaving,
Speaker 3: one retired, one got defeated in his primary. But I
Speaker 3: want to see an up or down vote, you know,
Speaker 3: who is the majority on this, and then voters can
Speaker 3: make their judgment. And as far as whether it matters,
Speaker 3: we need to have the mental attitude of let's turn
Speaker 3: out in such numbers that it's too big to rig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, I'll tell you what. We got to pray,
Speaker 1: and we got to work. We got to roll up
Speaker 1: our sleeves and get after it. Always great to see you,
Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: You too, Tim God Bless.
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Speaker 4: It's great to see you, HAIDI A.
Speaker 1: Lot going on out in Washington, the state. But these
Speaker 1: fires that are happening out there, Hadi, what seven hundred
Speaker 1: or so seven hundred and fifty homes destroyed, a lot
Speaker 1: of people being displaced, like one hundred thousand people. My
Speaker 1: understanding is, at least at this moment, they're uncontained.
Speaker 2: What's going on. What happened?
Speaker 4: Well, they've arrested a man for arson.
Speaker 9: Witnesses say that there was a man who had waterproof
Speaker 9: matches and a buttane lighter that was bending over a
Speaker 9: section of the woods. Many people saw him. He was
Speaker 9: arrested just a couple of days ago. But I want
Speaker 9: to point to a deeper issue. I mean, I obviously
Speaker 9: I'm very concerned if it was arson, But if you
Speaker 9: could see out my window right now, I live up
Speaker 9: on Livingston Mountin. Normally we can see about one hundred
Speaker 9: miles to the south. I can't see past my railing
Speaker 9: right now because we are absolutely inundated with smoke that's
Speaker 9: billowing in from Spokane, Washington, which is five and a
Speaker 9: half hours away from here. So that shows you the
Speaker 9: devastation of the fires in Spokane. And here's the bigger issue,
Speaker 9: the reason that Washington State is burning and the reason
Speaker 9: that Oregon is burning over a million acres. This is
Speaker 9: the worst forest fire, the worst wildfire in the history
Speaker 9: of Oregon State. It's set to do that same thing
Speaker 9: for Washington State. Yes, you can blame an arsonist on it,
Speaker 9: but what you really need to blame are the radical
Speaker 9: environmentalists who we have been electing to office now for decades.
Speaker 4: In the late nineteen seventies, my granddad.
Speaker 9: Who used to work for the Forest Service, told me
Speaker 9: that if we did not clean the forest bed, we
Speaker 9: would have wildfires the likes of which we have never seen.
Speaker 9: And many of you will remember the controversy of the
Speaker 9: spotted owl in the eighties. This is what started all
Speaker 9: this stuff, and so we refuse to clean the forest bed.
Speaker 9: When I was running for Congress in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 9: I walked with the Forest Service through the forests of
Speaker 9: western Washington State. They have literally blocked off fire roads.
Speaker 9: They are chained shut so that firefighters cannot get in
Speaker 9: to contain these fires. And so people say it's not political,
Speaker 9: it is absolutely political. Here in Washington State. We care
Speaker 9: more about pigeons than we do about people. We care
Speaker 9: more about animals and more about birds and protecting habitat
Speaker 9: than we do in protecting the habitat of human beings
Speaker 9: that live here. And we're reaping the consequences for it.
Speaker 9: So this is not just a name.
Speaker 4: I've grow up here. We've always had hot summers.
Speaker 9: The forest here are spectacular, the fires are new, and
Speaker 9: you can blame it directly on radical environmentalism.
Speaker 1: You know, Riley Gaines speaks a number of our events.
Speaker 1: We've been together a lot you with her, etc.
Speaker 2: She took a.
Speaker 1: Bold stand, took on the endc double a and just said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: no men in women's sports and bye.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Social media blew up over it recently. Sophie Cunningham, Indiana Fever.
Speaker 1: I mean she flatter, it's with it. I mean she
Speaker 1: is all over the place, took a stand the w NBA.
Speaker 1: It's a mess going on right now. Seriously, we got
Speaker 1: coaches who are all they're blubblering all over themselves trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what to say, how to deal with this.
Speaker 1: I can't even figure out. It's the w NBA. They
Speaker 1: can't figure out what a woman is seriously hiding.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: People are showing up at the games and in the
Speaker 1: support of Sophie Cunningham, and you've got this trans community
Speaker 1: losing their mind. It's unbelievable. Just your take, Where do
Speaker 1: you think this is going? She isn't she's not moving,
Speaker 1: she's not budgeting.
Speaker 9: Well, Praise the Lord for her. Praise the Lord for
Speaker 9: Sophie Cunningham and my friend Riley Gaines. Praise the Lord
Speaker 9: for these very bold and courageous women. It shouldn't be
Speaker 9: bold and it shouldn't require courage to say that a
Speaker 9: woman is a woman and biology does not change because
Speaker 9: somebody decides they don't want to be that particular member
Speaker 9: of that particular sex. It's ridiculous. The WNBA should be
Speaker 9: ashamed of itself. They should be ashamed, and they're not.
Speaker 9: The recent the most recent curve fuffle happened here in Portland,
Speaker 9: in Portland, Oregon. They played over here, and the mess
Speaker 9: of the WNBA, it's embarrassing. And you know, I'd like
Speaker 9: to say to you, they say they don't know what
Speaker 9: they say. They don't know what a woman is, just
Speaker 9: like a Tankie Brown Jackson when she was when she
Speaker 9: was interviewing to be on the Supreme Court. What a
Speaker 9: sham of a Supreme Court justice that woman has turned
Speaker 9: out to be. But it started when she said that
Speaker 9: she couldn't answer the question because she's not a biologist. Listen,
Speaker 9: this isn't that they don't know what a woman is.
Speaker 9: They lack the courage to tell the truth. They lack
Speaker 9: the courage to stand up to wokeism. These are lies
Speaker 9: that are coming from these people.
Speaker 4: Shame on them.
Speaker 9: I hope the NBA. I hope the WNBA goes bank up.
Speaker 9: It's painful to watch, anyway, I.
Speaker 2: Hope they go bank It's a mess.
Speaker 1: Seriously, Hey, before you go, I've got to ask you
Speaker 1: about the Fauci hearings. You talk about horrific and you
Speaker 1: talk about a mess that was unbelievable, pleading the fifth
Speaker 1: what someone hundred times and more. And then this week
Speaker 1: RFK Junior shocks the nation when he comes back and says, hey,
Speaker 1: it isn't COVID and talking about the origins of that.
Speaker 1: He's talking now about RSB and he's talking about limes disease. Right,
Speaker 1: what in the world, seriously is this true? You know
Speaker 1: that it's unbelievable to me that this is happening in
Speaker 1: our culture. Just the closing thought or two from you
Speaker 1: about all that, well.
Speaker 9: I think it just it should be a reminder to
Speaker 9: us that elections have consequences. Again, like the wildfires in
Speaker 9: Washington State that didn't just happen randomly, They happen because
Speaker 9: of bad leadership. The same thing is true, and and
Speaker 9: OURFK Junior is uncovering it. We have terrible people, I
Speaker 9: would say, in many cases, wickedness in the highest positions
Speaker 9: of authority in our country, continuing even into the healthcare industry. Listen,
Speaker 9: I lost my dad in COVID. I watched my dad
Speaker 9: die on FaceTime because they wouldn't allow us into the hospital.
Speaker 9: I watched my dad suffer and die after he was
Speaker 9: vaxed and boosted. So no one's going to tell me
Speaker 9: that this wasn't done on purpose. These people have an agenda.
Speaker 9: All you gotta do is go look at the World
Speaker 9: Economic Forum and look and see into Fauci, the high
Speaker 9: Priest of the branch Convidians. Go look and watch it.
Speaker 9: That guy's diary. They knew exactly what.
Speaker 4: They were doing.
Speaker 9: They need to be held accountable. I was listening to
Speaker 9: the news this morning. It sounds to me like the
Speaker 9: Attorney General of Louisiana is going to hold him accountable
Speaker 9: because they deposed this guy and he basically pled the
Speaker 9: fifth and his definition. Turns out it wasn't that he
Speaker 9: couldn't recall. He recalled what he had for breakfast. He
Speaker 9: kept a diary. He's lying, and when you lie to
Speaker 9: the American people, there should be accountability. I hope to
Speaker 9: goodness that we hold these guys accountable. We can never
Speaker 9: let this happen again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to speak up and suit up and
Speaker 1: show up and amen, God be with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know amen. He indeed so much for joining me.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 11: Always good to be with you.
Speaker 6: Tim.
Speaker 2: Tod's get started.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, you've found yourself in Venezuela recently, No kidding, seriously,
Speaker 1: you flew down there.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks about Venezuela.
Speaker 1: They think about the oil, and they think about the
Speaker 1: capture of Mandura. But Todd, tell us why you went
Speaker 1: there and what you saw.
Speaker 10: Well, Tim, most people just have totally forgotten about Venezuela
Speaker 10: and the earthquake that happened not one but two thirty
Speaker 10: nine seconds apart seven point two and a seven point
Speaker 10: five earthquake. That earthquakes that hit Venezuela totally devastating.
Speaker 2: I was in late June, right late late June.
Speaker 10: June twenty fourth, and quite frankly just didn't get any
Speaker 10: media play, international play. The world's forgotten, but the people
Speaker 10: of Venezuela are hurting big time. Boots on the ground
Speaker 10: are estimating upwards to one hundred thousand dead and missing.
Speaker 10: And so we went there. I've been there a couple
Speaker 10: of times, headed back there Sunday, and really it's the church.
Speaker 10: Although Venezuela is a socialist communist regime, Maduro did get captured,
Speaker 10: but you know, still a law of the same faces
Speaker 10: are in place there. But the church is thriving in Venezuela.
Speaker 10: But the church is also hurting. I've met with over
Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty pastors, will be meeting with another
Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty pastors this next week, and you know,
Speaker 10: they're ministering themselves. They've lost people. I can't tell you
Speaker 10: how many pastors I met with Tim that lost a son,
Speaker 10: a daughter, a spouse, a grandchild, and yet our still
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Speaker 10: their congregation. And so yeah, through Pastor Paul in the
Speaker 10: National Faith Advisory Board and what we're doing with City
Speaker 10: serve to collaborate together to really come alongside the local
Speaker 10: church in Venezuela to try to be of some assistance
Speaker 10: to them.
Speaker 1: Todd. I saw where a Samaritans person was there, also
Speaker 1: Franklin Graham, his daughter Sissy Graham Lynch, their boots on
Speaker 1: the ground type thing, and you're right, they're open and
Speaker 1: you guys are making a difference. You're showing up. That's
Speaker 1: what you're being. The hands of beat of Jesus. That's
Speaker 1: what we're called to do in the midst of all this, Todd.
Speaker 1: Maybe some people don't really understand City Serve City Serve International,
Speaker 1: who the organization is, what you guys do, But it's
Speaker 1: a billion dollar kind of engine out there bringing humanitarian
Speaker 1: relief to people.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: Our goal is to is to resource the local church
Speaker 10: that they can be the heroes in their community. And
Speaker 10: we target the local church particularly in disasters, because that
Speaker 10: church was there before the disaster, there in the middle
Speaker 10: of it, and we'll be there long after all the
Speaker 10: disaster relief organizations are gone. The church is still going
Speaker 10: to be there, and so we really look to resource
Speaker 10: the local church so that it can be the hands
Speaker 10: and feet of Jesus as you just described, Todd.
Speaker 1: You're also doing some major work in Ukraine I know
Speaker 1: the news cycle picked up again Russia, some missiles or
Speaker 1: whatever getting in Ukraine this week. But Todd talk to
Speaker 1: us about you're developing a trauma response program. It's something
Speaker 1: we're proud to associate be associated with you on You're
Speaker 1: going to be meeting with pastors here coming up in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks over in Poland, and then you're
Speaker 1: going into Ukraine. But tell us to kind of work
Speaker 1: and the need that's there.
Speaker 10: You know, you talk about war torn area that's Ukraine,
Speaker 10: and you talk about the church and how it is
Speaker 10: stayed in the midst of every bomb that's been flying
Speaker 10: in Again last night rockets hit Kiev and some twenty
Speaker 10: plus people died. This is just ongoing and the mental
Speaker 10: health crisis that is happening in Ukraine right now cannot
Speaker 10: be ignored by the Church. And because of the American
Speaker 10: Association of Christian Councilors and your Trauma Informed Care Coaching certification,
Speaker 10: we've been able to bring some of the best of
Speaker 10: the best in Ukraine for this training. Ukrainian Baptist Theological Seminary,
Speaker 10: Pentecostal Union of Ukraine, to Save Ukraine, to City Serve Ukraine.
Speaker 11: I mean it's just.
Speaker 10: Intercessors for Ukraine public reading scripture, all coming together for
Speaker 10: the purpose of having this biblically excellent material to help
Speaker 10: people through the most difficult times of their lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to realize that God has not abandoned them.
Speaker 1: They've got to make sense of this insanity they've been
Speaker 1: living in and through and what happens to them in
Speaker 1: every aspect physically, emotionally, spiritually, relationally, and so much more. Todd,
Speaker 1: I took the hat to you and the leadership there
Speaker 1: at City Serve International.
Speaker 2: Faith.
Speaker 1: Todd, all this comes back to, and it's anchored in
Speaker 1: our hope we have in Christ. And thank God, the
Speaker 1: current administration here in our country sees faith. That's significant,
Speaker 1: so much so that the President and the administration put
Speaker 1: in place a White House Faith Office. I know, they
Speaker 1: set forth that Religious Liberty Commission that's done some amazing work.
Speaker 1: The Department of Justice has also been involved in what
Speaker 1: they they were dubbing the Anti Christian Bias Task Force.
Speaker 2: But Todd, there also seems to be a surge in
Speaker 2: faith in America.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Bible sales are soaring, The younger generations
Speaker 1: are showing up in church. Young Men in particular under
Speaker 1: the age of thirty are saying that faith is important
Speaker 1: to their everyday life. Over forty two percent said that,
Speaker 1: and Todd, we're seeing revival on college campuses and more
Speaker 1: talk to us about faith and getting stuff done. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to talk about it and around it, but
Speaker 1: it's a whole other thing to implement programs that actually
Speaker 1: move the needle so that people quote experience what it's
Speaker 1: like to be loved on by God. And God has
Speaker 1: no greater plan than to use people like us to
Speaker 1: be his hands and feet.
Speaker 10: As you say, yeah, that is so that is so good.
Speaker 10: You're spot on with this. There is a surgeon, a
Speaker 10: resurgence of faith. There's some great things happening, whether it's
Speaker 10: on the college campus with Unite Us, the organization there
Speaker 10: that's just seeing Revit will sweep across our secular college campuses,
Speaker 10: to the public reading of scripture quite frankly on secular
Speaker 10: campuses is rising as well. All these things are just
Speaker 10: amazing positive signs. I'll say this though, Satan doesn't necessarily
Speaker 10: mind if you if you put your hat in the
Speaker 10: faith ring. He just doesn't want you to do anything
Speaker 10: about it. You know, and that's where we must come together,
Speaker 10: and we must really shake the leaves and and and
Speaker 10: encourage pastors in particular to be able to take bold
Speaker 10: stands to say now it's our time, you know, to
Speaker 10: teach the whole counsel of God. It with this resurgence
Speaker 10: of faith, there has to be a resurgence of courage
Speaker 10: as well. And they need people of God need to
Speaker 10: stand up say rights right and wrongs wrong. And that's
Speaker 10: really our prayer now, and to get these young people discipled.
Speaker 10: They are hearing some voices that really are contrary to
Speaker 10: what we would call the the standard Judeo Christian practice
Speaker 10: of backing Israel and supporting Israel and h and so.
Speaker 10: On the one hand, great things happening, we need to
Speaker 10: stay vigilant. We need to disciple these young people into
Speaker 10: the ways of God and in quite frankly, how to
Speaker 10: how to flesh out their faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that old saying, Todd? All this necessary for
Speaker 1: evil to triumph is for good men and women to
Speaker 1: do nothing.
Speaker 10: Edmund Burke said it said it best there.
Speaker 1: It is at the end of the day, I make
Speaker 1: all those who come behind us, Todd, find us faithful.
Speaker 1: That's what the scripture, says, I was great to see you,
Speaker 1: my friend, Todd Lamfeir, Thank you for joining me. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Kim coming up next. He is a best selling author, podcaster,
Speaker 1: and founder of Homeword. Jim Burns is with us.
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Speaker 11: A privilege to be with you. Tim, Thanks for all
Speaker 11: you do.
Speaker 2: Jim's get started.
Speaker 1: You know, family, everybody's talking about the family, The decimation
Speaker 1: really of the family, Jim as you through the years
Speaker 1: of just seeing what's happened. Yeah, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: about the current state of the family and.
Speaker 2: Where are we going?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I think there's two parallel tracks. I'm actually
Speaker 11: pretty excited about a lot of the younger generation that's
Speaker 11: saying we're going to take family serious. The Zach world,
Speaker 11: your son, other people who are saying, hey, we are
Speaker 11: about family, And there's this parallel track that's doing that,
Speaker 11: and I think they're going to really succeed, and I
Speaker 11: think they're going to flourish. There's another track that's just
Speaker 11: breaking apart quicker than we've ever seen the family happen.
Speaker 11: For example, when you look at the gen Z generation,
Speaker 11: you've got kids who are coming back to church, but
Speaker 11: you also have kids who twice as many atheists, so
Speaker 11: you've got a lot of things going on. And the
Speaker 11: famili's complicated. I was just speaking at a megachurch in
Speaker 11: Austin and the topic was on complicated families, and I said,
Speaker 11: how many of you do not have complicated families? No
Speaker 11: one raised her hand in all five services, and the pastor,
Speaker 11: who's my good friend, said, my wife didn't even raise
Speaker 11: her hand, I said, well, we all have complicated families,
Speaker 11: but no, the family could be is in trouble in
Speaker 11: some ways. And then also we've got to look at
Speaker 11: the positive side too. There's some people who are taking
Speaker 11: on the seriousness of creating media safe homes, talking to
Speaker 11: their kids about sex and sexuality, engaging in faith conversations.
Speaker 1: That's good, Yeah, Joe, A lot of people have been
Speaker 1: talking about how we're lost in our screens. I was
Speaker 1: just on a trip and I just I paused just
Speaker 1: to look around me because I find myself loshed in
Speaker 1: my own phone. You know what I'm saying, our digital devices.
Speaker 1: But you're be'al talking about doom, scrolling, bed routing, all
Speaker 1: kinds of things. And true, I mean, we are lost
Speaker 1: in our phones. But what are the culprits that really
Speaker 1: destroy closeness, connectedness, that wiring that we all crave in
Speaker 1: our families.
Speaker 11: Well, one of them really is the screen. I mean,
Speaker 11: we really we're out of control. And what's crazy is
Speaker 11: it's not just the kids who are addicted to screen time,
Speaker 11: it's also the parents. So I think that we have
Speaker 11: to take a step back now that we have some
Speaker 11: information and even some research on it, and realize even
Speaker 11: how it plays in our brain and what's going on
Speaker 11: there and relay is that we've got to create I
Speaker 11: mentioned the phrase create a media safe home, and what
Speaker 11: that means is we're not going to be our kids
Speaker 11: best friends. We can't give our kids cell phones too early.
Speaker 11: We have to manage that. We have to watch through that.
Speaker 11: But we also have to so as a family, I
Speaker 11: think we need to come up with some principles that
Speaker 11: help us create this media safe home so that we
Speaker 11: can have family time. We're making it the babysitter. So
Speaker 11: kids are learning how to self soothe at a year
Speaker 11: and a half because it works, but it's not healthy
Speaker 11: for that. So we hand them the phone and they
Speaker 11: get to watch Thomas the Train. It's not even a
Speaker 11: bad thing. But now they're self soothing with the digital device.
Speaker 11: The dopamine drop, even at a young age, continues through
Speaker 11: you know, through adulthood, and we've got to we've got
Speaker 11: to be thinking about this in a different way. The
Speaker 11: question I always ask is are you building your family
Speaker 11: up through media or are you tearing it apart? And
Speaker 11: if you're tearing apart, then families have to take some courageous,
Speaker 11: bold moves and there are things you can do that
Speaker 11: in a positive way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim.
Speaker 1: In the midst of all this too, we're hearing now
Speaker 1: a lot about family estrangement. Yeah, basically kids going no
Speaker 1: contact with their mom and dad or vice versa, ghosting
Speaker 1: one another. Uh, Jim, And I'm thinking about You've got
Speaker 1: a new book out called When Your Adult Child Strays
Speaker 1: a little different. But at the same time, it's this
Speaker 1: loss of connectedness again, this wiring that we're we're hardware for.
Speaker 1: And so, Jim, what's happening, what's happening to us? And
Speaker 1: are we where are we missing it? Why is this happening?
Speaker 11: Well? Tim, First of all, in the culture, twenty seven
Speaker 11: percent of families have someone who's been who is estranged.
Speaker 11: And it could be a dad, it could be an
Speaker 11: adult child, it could be somebody else. But the adult
Speaker 11: child is number two. Dad's first adult children. And so
Speaker 11: I think what's happening is there's a whole group of
Speaker 11: people who are saying be in a safe relationship, and
Speaker 11: to be safe, just be a strange from your family,
Speaker 11: be a strange from your family. And again, if there's
Speaker 11: sexual abuse, physical abuse, you've got to separate and do that.
Speaker 2: You know that we get all that. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: with you that.
Speaker 11: But the issue is not But that's not the issue.
Speaker 11: The issue is estrangement means a break in a family relationship,
Speaker 11: a break in a relationship, so we've got to do
Speaker 11: everything we can to build it back. And I think
Speaker 11: parents do it wrong. Parents are saying to their kids,
Speaker 11: you're wrong and I'm right, and let me tell you why.
Speaker 11: As if that's going to help them, they feel even
Speaker 11: less safe them. I think what parents have to do
Speaker 11: in it's so hard. It takes discipline, but I think
Speaker 11: parents have to just stop and say, you know, how
Speaker 11: can I mend the relationship. It's not about being right
Speaker 11: or wrong. It's about how do I re establish and
Speaker 11: reconnect the relationship, And I think you do that by
Speaker 11: embracing I'm sorry. So I was just talking with somebody recently,
Speaker 11: and you know, the kid was more wrong probably than
Speaker 11: the mom and the dad. But I said, you know,
Speaker 11: I think you're going to have to just say, I
Speaker 11: can see where you're coming from, I'm sorry you feel
Speaker 11: that way. You don't have to agree with them, but
Speaker 11: you can still show empathy. And when you do that,
Speaker 11: now you're taking a step in the right direction of
Speaker 11: building the relationship back. We have to understand that inn estrangement.
Speaker 11: If we keep pounding, it's only going to cause them
Speaker 11: to go farther away and farther away and farther away.
Speaker 1: Jif somewhere, maybe even in our counseling, this boundaries piece
Speaker 1: has potentially gone too far, you know that we start
Speaker 1: talking about feeling unsafe or whatever, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, seriously, what did I do move the
Speaker 1: fork the wrong place? I mean, I mean, did I
Speaker 1: forget to put the towels back? I mean, seriously, what happened?
Speaker 1: Why are we all losing it?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of factors going on
Speaker 1: in culture. And then Jim think too also about a child.
Speaker 1: And I know this is the heart of your new book.
Speaker 1: When your child, when your adult child strays, there's nothing
Speaker 1: more painful. I mean, it's beautiful. I have no greater
Speaker 1: joy than to know my children walk in the truth,
Speaker 1: proclaim the truth. But boy, boy, when they stray, when
Speaker 1: they get lost, it's just like a piece of your
Speaker 1: heart just like goes with all that stuff.
Speaker 11: Right right, It cuts so deep. And I hear parents
Speaker 11: say all the time, and a lot of it comes
Speaker 11: out of they feel shame. They are not defined by
Speaker 11: their kids' poor choices. And that's something I have to
Speaker 11: say to them all the time. You're not defined by
Speaker 11: your kid's poor choices. And what happens is your time
Speaker 11: about boundaries and we build boundaries. People have taken it
Speaker 11: so far that now it's called build walls. They're not
Speaker 11: used in the word wall, but they're building walls. Boundaries
Speaker 11: are not well boundaries. It's a resource to be able
Speaker 11: to bring an avenue to have good and healthier communication.
Speaker 11: But it's not building walls where you strange or where
Speaker 11: you deconstruct or whatever it might be. So for families
Speaker 11: who are trying to have healthy boundaries, they have to
Speaker 11: respect the adult child's boundaries, but they also have to
Speaker 11: build healthy boundaries, like you know what here, here's how
Speaker 11: we do it in our house. That's a good boundary.
Speaker 11: You don't you know, we're not going to let you
Speaker 11: have your boyfriend or girlfriend, you know, stay at our
Speaker 11: house together. Okay, that's if that. You know, that's a boundary.
Speaker 11: That's fine. They're not going to say great job, wonderful
Speaker 11: mom and dad. We think that's great. You still have boundaries.
Speaker 11: That's healthy. At the same time, we can't build walls
Speaker 11: up where we say, you know, we're arguing over politics,
Speaker 11: we're arguing over you know, faith issues, We're arguing over everything,
Speaker 11: and it's time to you know, build bridges, don't build walls,
Speaker 11: and you can do that through healthy boundaries.
Speaker 2: Jim.
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of issues, and I
Speaker 1: saw how you addressed a lot of them. But this
Speaker 1: struggle between helping and rescuing, you know, getting lost in
Speaker 1: maybe a friendship versus a guide or I don't know
Speaker 1: how all this, Jim, those dynamics get really tricky, but
Speaker 1: they're important to clarify so that we can move in
Speaker 1: and out this space together as parents and children, you know,
Speaker 1: or adults together in this new world. Yeah.
Speaker 11: No, you're right, and we have to realize we have
Speaker 11: to ask a question, you know, Tim, I think are
Speaker 11: we helping or are we enabling? And so helping is good.
Speaker 11: You know, we can help our adult children, we help
Speaker 11: our younger children. Of course, enabling dependency on us is
Speaker 11: not healthy for them because then that's going to cause
Speaker 11: some entitlement and a failure to launch. So I think
Speaker 11: it's important for us to understand that our job is
Speaker 11: not to rescue them, and our job is not to
Speaker 11: be their best friend. And that's for people who have
Speaker 11: adult children or people who have younger children. We don't
Speaker 11: have to be some horrible person. We can have serious
Speaker 11: fun with them, really enjoy the relationship. But again, and
Speaker 11: too many people are enabling dependency and they're trying to,
Speaker 11: you know, be the savior of our kids. And last
Speaker 11: time I saw we have a savior who's doing very fine.
Speaker 11: We don't need to replace him when it comes to that.
Speaker 11: So yeah, we can help, but we can enable. And
Speaker 11: I think those are the two that's a big difference.
Speaker 2: Right there, Joe, want to close this way.
Speaker 1: I remember church service not long ago, Pastor Jonathan Fallwell said, hey, listen, everybody.
Speaker 2: Has a card out there.
Speaker 1: If you have a wayward son or daughter, a prodigal
Speaker 1: or what have you, and you're really burdened about them,
Speaker 1: I want you to write the first name down and
Speaker 1: if you feel comfortable, I want everybody to move the
Speaker 1: front and put them up front, because we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: over all of them. We're gonna pray for our kids.
Speaker 1: I had never seen the movement to the altar like
Speaker 1: I saw that day, right What it did is it
Speaker 1: spoke to my heart and it said, you know what,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what's going on behind the closed
Speaker 1: door and the burden and the tears. You hear what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and the yearning for God to do something special.
Speaker 2: Jim.
Speaker 1: That's why I appreciate this new book When your adult
Speaker 1: child strays. If people want to learn more about you
Speaker 1: this book, where can they go?
Speaker 11: Well, I think they can go to our website at
Speaker 11: homeword dot com. The book is also available on Amazon
Speaker 11: and any place books are sold. And I appreciate your input.
Speaker 11: And I think that illustration of what happened at your
Speaker 11: church is so true. We can't do it alone. We've
Speaker 11: got to We've got to be able to share our
Speaker 11: pain so that we can do this in community, so
Speaker 11: that we can and get the wise counsel that we
Speaker 11: need so that we can thrive in relationships.
Speaker 2: Jim Burns.
Speaker 1: When your adult child strays, get a copy of it
Speaker 1: to can Jim, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much, Tim.
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Speaker 1: comes from the Lord. Again, here's an encouraging verse to
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Speaker 1: verse ten. So do not fear, for I am with you.
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