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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 1: Acts Podcast. I'm Peanut Tuman and this is my guy,

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Speaker 1: Roman Harp.

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Speaker 2: What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 3: Man? Workwife extraordinaire and appreciate it. Really excited for this

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Speaker 3: next guest. Good friends, I call him a great friend.

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Speaker 3: He's an amazing human being, great teammate, amazing teammate.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't give him all of his credit. And he's

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Speaker 3: now a head football coach and so really looking forward

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Speaker 3: to hearing this how this journey has continued to move on.

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Speaker 3: Amazing human being. We're probably gonna barely talk about football

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Speaker 3: because he has so many other things going on.

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Speaker 1: He does, he does, Oh that's for me.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Demand played twelve years for the Steelers, the Jets, and

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. After playing in the NFL, he went into

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Speaker 1: coaching and he is now the head coach for Limestone University.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Sure, co yes he will. You know, so Jericho for

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Speaker 4: all those that don't know, we're all teammates.

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Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Yes, that was Carolina Panthers great season.

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Speaker 3: Contrey was like that veteran leader that they brought in

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Speaker 3: and he just instantly just really was a soothing factor

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Speaker 3: in that room. When they lost Kevin Benjamin, cam Newton

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Speaker 3: was being cam Newton, and it was just this steady

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Speaker 3: presence all the time when everybody was dabbing and dancing,

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Speaker 3: you just had this one little half smirk smile on

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Speaker 3: the side, and that was Jericho Katry Cox. What did

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Speaker 3: it mean for you to come to that team that

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Speaker 3: late in your career? Was it a resurgence? What was

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Speaker 3: your what was your feel like? And like who were

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Speaker 3: you for that team?

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Speaker 5: For those that didn't know, well, you know, at that

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Speaker 5: point in time in your career, you know, if you've

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Speaker 5: played a lot of ball, you know, you've been around

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Speaker 5: some winning teams and things of that nature, people kind

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Speaker 5: of see you as, you know, a know, maintenance guy

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Speaker 5: in that sense. A lot of times they look at

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Speaker 5: you like you're a chaperone, you know. But I was,

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Speaker 5: you know, just trying to make sure that I finished

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Speaker 5: my career on the right note and still made plays

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Speaker 5: for the team and helped contribute to the team's success. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, I enjoyed my time, especially with Pittsburgh. I

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Speaker 5: think after leaving the Jets, Pittsburgh was just a place

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Speaker 5: I was just going to say, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 5: I'm good if I just stay here and end my

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Speaker 5: career here, you know. But the opportunity to come back

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Speaker 5: south was appealing to me. And when Carolina reached out,

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Speaker 5: you know, I just wanted to make sure I came

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Speaker 5: to a contender. And so they had a really good

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Speaker 5: year the previous year, but I knew that had they

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Speaker 5: had to do some retooling of the roster in order

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Speaker 5: You know, I knew they were going to play good defense,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: So I felt comfortable in that decision, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that was your first year, twenty fifteen, right, yes, fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So y'all came in at the same time, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so you know he said come back down

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Speaker 3: south because my man is from Alabama. Shout out Birmingham

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Speaker 3: right here, maybe two five right right, shut up? But anyways,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean got the Alabama you know, he's

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Speaker 4: I just got to get this out of the way.

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Speaker 3: The Super Bowl catch, Yeah, the one that was a

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Speaker 3: catch that was ruled not no catch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: What was going through your mind? How did that?

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Speaker 3: How did you see that play unfolding? Because to me,

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Speaker 3: that was one of those plays that really swung the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man, everybody in the stadium felt like it was a catch,

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Speaker 5: you know. I mean, Denver was waiting for the ball

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Speaker 5: Everybody's coming over congratulating me, like man, big time catch,

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Speaker 5: what just happened? Yeah, you know, and then a couple

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Speaker 2: Everybody knew that.

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Speaker 5: Seen some rest a few years later and like, man, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we felt like it was a catch too. But I'm like, thanks,

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Speaker 5: do no good now, But yeah, not not now, but

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Speaker 5: of the day, though, I still look back at that

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Speaker 5: season and what we were able to accomplish. You guys

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Speaker 5: know how the practices and everything started. You playing a

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Speaker 2: We were feeling each other out and all of that.

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Speaker 5: But just the competitiveness, you know, during that time, I

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Speaker 1: Speaking of competitiveness, I know you've been busy, and now

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Speaker 1: you were the title of head coach. You know, you

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Speaker 1: got that title a couple of months ago. And how

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Speaker 1: it feel to have that title?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm grateful for the opportunity, for sure. I think

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Speaker 5: when coach Mike Ferry left to go be the receivers

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Speaker 5: because they see, you know, how much we invest in

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Speaker 2: And so that's exciting. Man. We have a really good group.

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Speaker 5: I'm expecting us to be you know what we've been,

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited about our group on this level. Man.

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Speaker 5: It's just a lot of hungry guys. So it's just

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Speaker 5: it's so fun to coach. You know, you don't you

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Speaker 5: so on. It's it's how how much can you get

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And that's fun. You know.

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Speaker 5: That's what I lose sleepover now, you know, I lose sleepover. Man,

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Speaker 5: how can I get this guy better?

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Speaker 2: You know? And uh, that's that's fun.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, you already sound like a head coach, Like you

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Speaker 4: sound like a coach now. You I known you as.

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Speaker 3: A player for so long and also just as another

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Speaker 3: it has been a head coach always been a goal

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Speaker 3: of yours? Or did that just just kind of materialized?

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Speaker 3: You were the wide receiver coach before, but now he

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Speaker 3: the head guy. Was was this in the plans? Was

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: I mean I always felt like I was going to

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Speaker 2: You know, you got some kids, say, and I got

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Speaker 5: You know, my wife. I've been married to my wife

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and but just never left. Man.

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Speaker 5: It's like I'm going through that time. I'm enjoying a fall,

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Speaker 5: And so that's where my starting that's that's that's where

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Speaker 1: So I know when I got drafted, I knew where

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Speaker 4: Is it something?

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Speaker 1: And similar when you get that phone call when you

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Speaker 1: you got that phone call to say, hey, we're offering

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Speaker 5: You the head coach, man, finishing up dinner, telling kids,

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 5: And I got the call, and yeah, I was excited.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you get you get some of those same

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Speaker 5: juices like, man, like this, this has been a goal

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Speaker 5: like this, been working towards this and and now now

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Speaker 5: But it's all good. It's all good, you know. It's

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Speaker 5: it's just a lot of fun, uh being in this spot.

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Speaker 4: So go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Peanut brought up like a moment, And so I would

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Do you see that as like my job is to

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Speaker 2: It's like some older guys.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like, if God has called you to something,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think God called me to be a coach.

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Speaker 1: I think he missed I missed that call.

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Speaker 4: Probably not.

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Speaker 3: But I want to know from you, Jericho, what has

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Speaker 5: Man, that's a position coach, like you you're coaching ball.

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Speaker 5: You know, you get you get to shoot off all

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Speaker 4: The crazy stuff. Yeah, the big pribs still got to go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you get the coach your position and you say, man,

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Speaker 5: It's going. It's going well, you know. And when you

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Speaker 5: And so that's that's the big part that we try

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, come on, like.

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Speaker 5: the whole, the totality of the person.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you like a Dan Campbell type guy? Are

440
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: you doing updowns Burbies with the team?

441
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 4: The buy ins?

442
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 2: You know?

443
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 4: He do like forty forty burbies. That's the same thing

444
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 4: that got started.

445
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: Well, be quiet everything now, just because he and they

446
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ain't ring. Oh my gosh, here man,

447
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: wipe that off.

448
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 4: I give your flowers. We not talk about the same.

449
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: We No, no, no, I'm talking about that other team. We

450
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: ain't Carolina right now. Let's let's just be Carolina Panthers. Okay,

451
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: we all know we're not talking about them right now. Okay, Sorry,

452
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: back to you, young sir, killing me right now?

453
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: Now? Do you do the burpies with the team? You

454
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 4: do anything like that?

455
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Are you just kind of walking around with the whistle

456
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: and just he we burn it dad over here?

457
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

458
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: No, I gotta I gotta stay in shape.

459
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 4: One.

460
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: So the running part of it, you know, I'm gonna

462
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 5: get some runs. And if my group has to do

463
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 5: you know, the up downs if offense, the offense has

464
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 5: to do updowns for you know, turnovers in practice or

465
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 5: something like that. At the end of the practice, you know,

466
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Speaker 5: you know, you to be and you got to play

467
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 5: it in the middle, right, you got to be. You

468
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 5: can't just be an offensive coach, but really play in.

469
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Speaker 2: The middle row.

470
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Speaker 1: Do you really?

471
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Speaker 2: Is it? Are you?

472
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: Are you more fake?

473
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: I don't think anything in life is fifty to fifty,

474
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: No anything, everything, let's be real.

475
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: Chinko was a defensive coach and then he was like,

476
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Speaker 1: I know he was a head coach, but he was

477
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: a defensive head coach.

478
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but every time the offense did good, he was

479
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: extremely happy after after practice.

480
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: When the offense had a good day, That means Ravera

481
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: was happy in a good mood.

482
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: Like if the offense didn't not have a good day,

483
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: and they then that would usually be you kind of

484
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 3: knowing that was gonna happen because Cam wasn't dancing before practice.

485
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: You know, like you knew what day you were going

486
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: to have based upon Cam's action. You did say that

487
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 4: to me, Jack on my life.

488
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: My first year here, I tried to soying. He was like, oh,

489
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: we stretched it. He was like, oh, we don't have

490
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: a good day. And I was like, what are you

491
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: talking about. He was like, hey, came over there dancing

492
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, maybe a week or

493
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: two goes by. He goes stretching again. He goes, yes,

494
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of them days, and.

495
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: Just get ready to run. It's gonna be one of

496
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 4: them days.

497
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: And sure what happened.

498
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: He had a bad day. He wasn't over there dancing.

499
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: We got yelled at and I remember looking at him.

500
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you called it.

501
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 4: He absolutely called it.

502
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: He has a tendency, and this is what his tendency was.

503
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 4: Jericho knows this very well.

504
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: He's an old evet that was closely attached and anytime

505
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: you got a player like that that is so impactful

506
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: emotionally to everything around you, Like he affected it all

507
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: from the music that he decided to try and play

508
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: in pre practice where he's like, today, I'm not gonna

509
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: stretch and I'm gonna have a good time and I'm

510
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: gonna dance.

511
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna have a good time. She's not in that mood,

512
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 4: then we're probably not gonna have that type of day.

513
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: Would you say anybody has impacted you or who you

514
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: would like to emulate as a coach, Like, who's probably

515
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: affected you?

516
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 4: Who you'd like to try and immolate the most as

517
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: a head coach?

518
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 5: I boughted them all up, you know. When I was

519
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 5: drafted to the Jets, herm.

520
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Etwis was the head coach.

521
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was that was That was an awesome

522
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 5: introduction into the league, you know, because everything was about maturity, right,

523
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 5: showing consistency that you can be trusted.

524
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: You know.

525
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 5: That's the only way that rookies were going to play

526
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 5: for her, Right, you had to show that you can

527
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: be trusted, you know, And so I made it. I

528
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 5: made it my business each and every day to try

529
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 5: and show that I was a guy that can be trusted.

530
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 5: But that was that was a great introduction. The guy

531
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 5: that took it to the next level for me was

532
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 5: Eric Mangini.

533
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

534
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 5: And this was this was solely from a a I mean,

535
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 5: I had a great relation, phenomenal relationship with him. But

536
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: but when it came to preparing for your opponent, we

537
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: knew our opponents right about him.

538
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we knew them to a t.

539
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 5: And and and that kind of made me see Bill

540
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: Belichick in a different light too, because they were as

541
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 5: right they came from he came from that. And so

542
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: like from a preparation standpoint, man, I was, I was

543
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: just blown away because he always created urgency in that way. Well,

544
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 5: you come in on Wednesday, you better know something about

545
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: your opponent already. You better know high weight size, you

546
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 5: know who the dime is as a receiver. Yep, I

547
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 5: mean we were in base on Wednesday, coach, you know.

548
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: What I mean? Like, you know, you better know you

549
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: better know these guys to a t. What college he

550
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: went to, Like, I was super detailed.

551
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 5: Man, you better know all of this, right, you better

552
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 5: know all of his favorite move, you know, you better

553
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 5: know all of that stuff. And so we knew our opponents,

554
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 5: you know, and we were slowly building our roster to

555
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: you know that talented roster that we ended up seeing

556
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 5: in two thousand and nine when we went to the

557
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 5: ALC Championship game. But but yeah, it's from a preparation standpoint, man,

558
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 5: I mean, he football IQ. He would he would increase it. Yes,

559
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 5: he would increase it. And then after him Rex Ryan. Ye,

560
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 5: so Rex Rex came in and he doesn't get enough

561
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 5: credit for what type of defensive coordinator he is. He was,

562
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 5: you know, I mean he's up there. He has to

563
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 5: be top five all the time in my opinion, based

564
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 5: off of you know, how we scheme the guys. I mean,

565
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 5: his his defenses were always up there in the top five.

566
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: They were one. They were challenging little bowls defenses, right,

567
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 5: Ryan Clark gonna keep me out and say, but he's

568
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 5: up there. When he was with the Ravens, it was

569
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 5: the same thing. He came to us with the Jets

570
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 5: and flipped it right right then and there in the

571
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: first year were number one.

572
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 3: It's kind of like exactly what you said, Like when

573
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: you're just coaching, he was the coordinator defensive way Now,

574
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: when you come to head coach, it's not always you're

575
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: not always in the kitchen cooking.

576
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you ain't always in control.

577
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: I'm your face now, Yeah, I'm not in the grinding

578
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: through like I used to do. Yeah, so you don't

579
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: have as much input on some of the ingredients that

580
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: go into the food, right right, right, So but these

581
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: coaches all, yeah.

582
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: I just learned a great deal for him.

583
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 5: And then moving moving quickly to Mike Tomlin Mike t

584
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 5: being there three years. I was there three years and

585
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: watched him in action, up up close and personal, how

586
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 5: he navigated everything and just getting his guys ready for

587
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 5: every day, every work day, and the competitiveness of the

588
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: entire environment.

589
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: It was.

590
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: It was there like you a practice squad guy, but

591
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: you better be ready. Yeah, like you better be ready

592
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: because when we call your Yeah, when we call your number,

593
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 5: we don't want any excuses whatsoever. And then finishing up

594
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 5: with Ron Rivera, you know, so like that was a

595
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 5: great list for me, you know, to to learn from.

596
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: And I bottle up everything you know from from all

597
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: of those guys, with.

598
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: Some of these things that you boughtled up, did you

599
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: actually get out of this bottle where maybe what is

600
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: the difference between maybe being a minority coach head coach

601
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: versus your traditional white guy head coach. You know, you

602
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: had Rivera and Tomlin towards the end, did you have

603
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 3: you been able to look at that situation differently, how

604
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: they were treated, how they had to act versus anything else,

605
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: or it's just head coaches, just the head coach as

606
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: the head coach.

607
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it was just head coach, head

608
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: coach for me. You know then.

609
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: From from my perspective, didn't see herm Edwards being treated

610
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: any any differently than Eric Mangini, right, Marginie got fired

611
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 5: after a nine to seventh season, no doubt, you know,

612
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: and then that's you know, very next year we're in

613
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 5: the championship game, you know, but you know in Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh.

614
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: But they're all about ball. Yeah, they're all about ball.

615
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: Have like three or four coaches in like the history

616
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: of a hundred years they've yes.

617
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: And so just just just seeing it there and then

619
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 5: just from my own experience, man, just the swift nature

620
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: in which I was hired, you know, yeah, it was

621
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 5: like you know, everybody everybody around, you know, kind of

622
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: around the building was kind of on board with that,

623
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 5: like move you better move fast. And so I'm extremely

624
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 5: grateful for the journey that I've been able to be on.

625
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

626
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: back in a minute. You just listened like a lot

627
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: of good coaches who have great leadership qualities. I know,

628
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: when when I came here, or yeah, when I came here,

629
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: Rome was like the voice of the locker, or excuse me,

630
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: the voice of the DBS. I had a leadership role,

631
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: but Mom was more quiet, like, Hey, just kind of

632
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: do what I do. That's kind of how I'm leading.

633
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: I let Rome kind of take the lead role in

634
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: the dB room. Every team you've been on and you

635
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: have a reputation of just being like just a stoic,

636
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: solid leader, do you you take pride in that?

637
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, yeah for sure. I tell the guys

638
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 5: know who you are, I know what you have to offer.

639
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: That's that's one of the messages there to keep guys

640
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 5: level headed. You know, you make a bad play man,

641
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 5: Know who you are, I know who you have to offer, right,

642
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: you know, all of a sudden, just turn into the

643
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 5: most the worst player ever just because you dropped the ball,

644
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

645
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Just move on.

646
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 5: You know you're a good player, move on to the

647
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: next thing. Uh so, so, yeah, that that's a that's

648
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: a big thing. That was a big thing for me.

649
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 5: Not not minimizing that, that's that's a part of who

650
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: I am. And so if I'm not giving that to

651
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: the team, if I'm not giving that to a locker room,

652
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: then I'm kind of hurting them in that sense.

653
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: Where do you think that came from? Where do you

654
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: think your leadership qualities came from?

655
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: My dad? My dad?

656
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, you know growing up in Alabama, man,

657
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 5: you know football, man, it's it's it's the whole state.

658
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what it is. And still when

659
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 5: you when you come out, when you come out of

660
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: the roomb, man, they ask you who you're rooting for?

661
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Alabama. Let's get this, let's get this over now. You know.

662
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: But but my dad, huge, huge, you know, football fan,

663
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: and understood, you know, what football was about. What football

664
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: is about. It's about the team. It's about the team.

665
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: And so he never asked me individual like questions.

666
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: So everything, even.

667
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: When I was up in New York and he's getting older,

668
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 5: can't fly up all the time, you know, he's and

669
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 5: he couldn't see the game nothing but the highlights. You

670
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: just ask me, how did you guys do how did

671
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: the team do? Like throughout my whole football career, it

672
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: was how did the team do like you guys? You

673
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: guys played well this, and that. It was always about

674
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: the team. So in my my mind, my mind always

675
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 5: has thought that thought in that way, you know, like

676
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: how can I help the team? And and so that

677
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: that carried that carried throughout and just wanted to be

678
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: a guy that that didn't hurt the team in that

679
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 5: way causing distractions and other things of that nature, but

680
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: just trying to make sure I'm accountable, holding up my end,

681
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: you know, so I can contribute to that success.

682
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: I take a couple of words from what you just

683
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: said talking about hurting the team. Okay, hurting the team.

684
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: I remember that you said that hurting the team. We

685
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: did an interview with my man Braylan Edwards during the

686
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: Super Bowl in Detroit, and he talked about hurting the team.

687
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

688
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: And he talked about Brian Schottenheimer in the AFC Championship

689
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: game in two thousand and nine, hurting the team because

690
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: he ain't give you and braiding the ball no more

691
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: in the second half. He said, bro in the first half,

692
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: Jericho had five well he had over a hundred yards

693
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: receiving in the first half. Jericho had five catching for

694
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: one hundred and two yards. And now we just don't

695
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: stop throwing the rock, Like what you mean about that game?

696
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: Well, well that those were our stats the previous week

697
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 5: versus the Patriots, we slung it around versus the praise

698
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: the Patriots right round. Well we we came out flat.

699
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: We came out flat in that game. When you have

700
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: to realize to your your opponents have something to do

701
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: with it, you know, Lamar Woodleigh on one side, James Harrison,

702
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: Deebo on the other side, Big Casey Hampton, Brett Keys.

703
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Or ever and steady right, James Ferrer.

704
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: I mean the defense was stacked, right, So it's only

705
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: so much slinging it around you can do, right. You

706
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: don't want to be sitting back there holding that ball,

707
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 5: you know. So, but we did come out flat as

708
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: a team, and you know, for whatever reason, that's the

709
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 5: that's that's what happened. You can't do that in those

710
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: types of games, right, So you get in a twenty

711
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 5: four to three hole at halftime, and that's that's that's hard.

712
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: To come back from. But we almost did it.

713
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: You know, and and I think some of that is

714
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: coming from you know, we did sling it around a

715
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 5: little bit in the second half, but it was more

716
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 5: you know, up tempost, Yeah, because we were behind, Yeah,

717
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: playing catch up, you know. But no, I thought we

718
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: had a good game plan going into that game. We

719
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 5: had a really good game plan going into that game.

720
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Speaker 3: It just had something to say about it.

721
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just had something to say about it. And

722
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: when you get into that type of hold and you know,

723
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 5: everybody has a plan until you get hit in the mouth.

724
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it sound like a real coach, Yerika,

725
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: that's all I'm saying.

726
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: A coach, real coach.

727
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Twelve years, three teams. What do you think your promised

728
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: NFL moment was? It must have been a good one

729
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: because I heard the deep sigh.

730
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah that's a good thing. You got to think about it.

731
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, just the accomplishments in New York.

732
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Speaker 4: Okay, what are they going since?

733
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

734
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the accomplishments that won a lot of games in

735
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Speaker 5: New York. Yeah, and we went to back to back

736
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 5: Elson Championship games.

737
00:34:59,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: Uh.

738
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 5: That first one we went to was was different. You know,

739
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: when you're flying back from from San Diego because San

740
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: Diego had at the time the San Diego La Charges now,

741
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 5: but San Diego had the number one offense and the

742
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: number one defense. And we went out there. They had

743
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 5: the first round bout. They were fourteen and two, like

744
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 5: they were really good. They were stacked, they were stacked, man,

745
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 5: and and we went out there and beat them, playing

746
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 5: our ball like ground and pound, you know, good defense,

747
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: running the ball, keeping the change moving right. And we

748
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 5: got out of the stadium with a victory. Now we're

749
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 5: flying back and in top of the Empire State Building

750
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: is green.

751
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: That's cool.

752
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: That's that's different. That's a little different, you know. And

753
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: so so yeah, I mean just that that accomplishment there

754
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 5: with that group because of the way that it was

755
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 5: building that that was I mean that, you know, I

756
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 5: mean that that has that's the that's at the top.

757
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: That's at the top. But being able to to finish

758
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 5: my career here in Carolina and how we won, I

759
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: don't think we get enough credit for how we won. So,

760
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: you know, we ended twenty fourteen on a four game

761
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: winning streak in the regular season, and we started twenty

762
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 5: fifteen with a fourteen game winning streak.

763
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: In the regular season.

764
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 5: Right, that's eighteen regular season games in a row, like

765
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 5: from the last time I've heard about that's a lot

766
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: of winning, right, And the only people that can be

767
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 5: put in that category, you know, Miami Dolphins, right, they

768
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: went all the way through, and then the Patriots, right

769
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: then you got that team Panthers, you know, and so like, yeah,

770
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: it's like different conversations sometimes I don't think, you know,

771
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: it's a Panthers fan, you know, and people that have

772
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: been around, I don't think we take time to like

773
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: sit back and look like look at like what we did,

774
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 5: you know, what we did as a group, because what

775
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: we did as a group was like really really crazy,

776
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 5: man special, It was special. And you know, when I

777
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: came back in twenty seventeen to coach, the fan base

778
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: was a lot bigger.

779
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: It was, it was a lot bigger.

780
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: We were going the road and we're playing playing up

781
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 5: there in Washington and I see a lot of blue

782
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: in the stands. I'm like, this is this is different

783
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: from fifteen? Yeah, right, this is different. This fan base

784
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 5: is larger now, And so I think sometimes you got to,

785
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 5: you know, because you're moving so fast in life, sometimes

786
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: you got to step back for a second. Man, and

787
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: just you know, just kind of be grateful and and see,

788
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 5: you know, see some of the things that you you

789
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: were able to accomplish.

790
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: I like that.

791
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: So h my last question Mount Rushmore. You have had

792
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: an amazing career, life, success, marriage, kids, head coach. Who

793
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: are four people on your Mount Rushmore of influence?

794
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: Ooh, just my parents they too. They take up two

795
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: spots there. Yeah, you can put them one mom, mom, Yeah,

796
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: there you go. Look at that man. There you go,

797
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: there you go all.

798
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

799
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: One one.

800
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 5: Uh So my parents. You know, one of my brothers man,

801
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: uh he we spent a lot of time together. He's

802
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: six years older than me, but we were last said him.

803
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: Said uh and you know he was he was. He

804
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 5: was more like that father figure for me. Right, bought

805
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: my first pair of jays right after school. I was

806
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: climbing the tree in him in.

807
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: The jay's he came. I was like, he's a tail

808
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 2: out of that tree. Man.

809
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: But he's second. My grandmother on my mom's side, Rebecca. Uh.

810
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 5: She she was strong, strong Christian woman man who who

811
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 5: was upright and everything, you know, all the way all

812
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: the way to death. You know, she's she's up there.

813
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: And then the fourth one.

814
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: Man. M hmm, it's tough one, tough one. I mean

815
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: both both of my grandmothers they have to be there

816
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 5: because I never met my granddad's they they passed before

817
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: before and before I was born, you know, and so

818
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: uh yeah, both of my grandmothers, my brother said, and.

819
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: My parents there. Yeah, that's a good group. That's a

820
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: good group for us. You love it.

821
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: Gout you man, Thanks dog, I appreciate you having us,

822
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 3: man helping them coming over here showing some love. Congrats

823
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: to everything you're doing. Congrats to your daughter getting recruited.

824
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: I still see it every that you pass through.

825
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 4: And now that knows you, I will hank next time.

826
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: I think I just text you. It was like, bro,

827
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: I think I saw you. But uh man, it's always good. Man.

828
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: Really love what you're doing. So happy and proud of you.

829
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: Man. You deserve the world because of the person you

830
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: are on and off the field. Nobody's gonna ever talk

831
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: about the plays you made on the field because how

832
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: much you've impacted them off the field. So just as

833
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 3: a player, a constant professional, and you are the epitome

834
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: of a pro and so I know that's an ultimate

835
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: compliment in football Man.

836
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Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys. Man, it was an honor being

837
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: on with you. Two legends man oh Man.

838
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