1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: our Wednesday morning podcast. The nine time All Star Gary Peyton, 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: one of the great guards of all time, is going 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: to be joining us. The Hall of Famer is going 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: to be joining us in about three minutes. You know, 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this Packers Rogers situation and you 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: look at it, and one of the reasons it's so 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: upsetting is because Green Bay never gets any drama. Green 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Bay has had drama exactly twice in the last fifteen years. 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Brett Farve drama and Aaron Rodgers drama. They're two biggest stars. 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: This is incredibly typical for every other major city in 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: the country. Green Bay, though, is a small town. It's 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: not a leader of industry. They historically have not been 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: a star driven franchise. But if you really look at Wisconsin, Milwaukee, 19 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: green Bay, the Packers have made four NFC Championship games 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: in recent memory. The Bucks were in a heated series 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: with the Brooklyn Nets. The Brewers are tied with the 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: Cubs for the National League Central lead. Wisconsin football's won 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: ten games seven times in the past decade, and the 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Badger of men's basketball team has several deep runs in 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the attorney. And they've all done this with only really 26 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Jannis Aaron Rodgers as marquee stars. The reality is, the 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: more of them you have, the more drama you have. 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: So actually, if there was some sort of winning superstar ratio, 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: the state of Wisconsin probably wins more with fewer stars 30 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: than any other state in the country. So that's why 31 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Rogers and the Packers seem so intense and over the top. 32 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: This is not a star driven state. NBA free agents 33 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: don't go to Milwaukee. They got a draft their way 34 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: to the top. NFL free agents don't go to Green Bay. 35 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: They've got a draft their way to the top. Let's 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: be honest about the Brewers. It's overwhelmingly homegrown talent. Wisconsin 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Badgers never have a top seven eight ten recruiting class, 38 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: nor historically do they hire high profile coaches. The Sabans 39 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: do not end up with the Badgers, so this seems 40 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: so extreme with Aaron Rodgers. I live in Los Angeles. 41 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: This is monthly, weekly stuff. What Milwaukee and Wisconsin should 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: be proud of. Who wins as much as this spot 43 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: in the country, with this few stars and this little drama, 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: it's unheard of. I could make the argument that if 45 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: you included the Wisconsin Athletic Department, the Brewer's front office, 46 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: the Bucks front office, and the Packers front office, it 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: may be the strongest four combined units in the country. Upstairs, listen, 48 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, He's a little prickly. This is part of 49 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: having the occasional star. Here's a second thought. You know 50 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: there are people out there, random people, media fans saying 51 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: there should be an asterisk by whoever wins the NBA 52 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: Championship because of all the injuries. Well, Tiger Woods for 53 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: about eleven to twelve years was injured on the tour, 54 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: some of it in his prime. Should every golfer that 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: won a PGA event have an asterisk next to his trophy? Listen? 56 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Part of drafting, part of free agency. When you draft 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: and acquire free agent, you look at their body type, 58 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you look at their injury history. If you're Brooklyn and 59 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: you acquire Kyrie Irving. He's been hurt since Duke. He 60 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: was hurt in Cleveland, he missed games in Boston. Now 61 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: he misses games in Brooklyn. They knew that Brooklyn rolled 62 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: the dice on a physically brittle player. Kevin Durant had 63 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: been hurt multiple times. Brooklyn rolled the dice on Kevin 64 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: Durant's health. The Lakers rolled the dice on Anthony Davis's health. 65 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Anytime you draft players out of college, if you have 66 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: a college quarterback that's been hurt twice, a lot of 67 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: teams take him off the board. Injuries are a huge 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: component to who NFL and NBA teams are drafting. Same 69 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: with free agency. Just say it right now. If you 70 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: want Joel Mbiden, he goes to the market, it's not 71 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: bad luck. If you acquire him and he gets hurt 72 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: twice over the course of three years, you rolled that dice. 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: There's no secrets here. Nobody's rolling back the odometer. I 74 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: spent an entire NFL Draft Friday in the Chargers war 75 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: room a couple of years ago, and when I walked in, 76 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: they had their board. This is top secret, and next 77 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: to the board were black dots and red dots and 78 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: black dots meant undraftable because of character, and there were 79 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: at least twenty five players. Some were really high end 80 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: players I'd heard of. Next to that were red dots. 81 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: Those were undraftable players due to injuries. So the Chargers, 82 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: who have a pretty damn good roster, eliminated fifty to 83 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: sixty players because of injuries or character. So I don't 84 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: want to hear bad luck with a torn ankle, a meniscus. 85 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: You look around this league right now. The only guy 86 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: who's hurt, who's seemingly never hurt, is James Harden, Hardens, 87 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: a guy that gave you a good effort every night, 88 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: did not miss game, Kyrie, embad Lebron last two years, 89 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, Mike Conley, Clay Thompson. That's why they're not 90 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: in there. The bad luck, good luck. Don't kid yourself. 91 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: These front offices go over and over the health of 92 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: players they either draft or acquire. Buyer beware on previously 93 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: brittle athletes. As somebody who grew up in the Pacific 94 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: Northwest as a Sonics fan and as a Pac twelve 95 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: basketball fan, Gary Payton goes beyond legend, A Hall of Famer, 96 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: a nine time All Star, nine times All Defense NBA champ, 97 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and his career is fascinating because he didn't go to 98 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: your classic Kentucky Kansas basketball power. He was allowed to develop, 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: and then he went to the Sonics and again and 100 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: was allowed to develop. Played every game, seven points a game, 101 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: nine and a half points a game, thirteen points a game. 102 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: And Gary, it's interesting. I went today to your NBA 103 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: career stats and I thought, Hell, there are teams today 104 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be may not have been patient with you. 105 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: You were playing every game, but you started seven a game, 106 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: nine a game, thirteen a game, and then from that 107 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: point forward, for about thirteen years, you were a monster. 108 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Do you sometimes think to yourself, everybody is so impatient. 109 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Now there's so many coaching firings. Now you may have 110 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: run through four coaches that you your career may not 111 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: be as great today, although you were a great three 112 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: point shooter. That Seattle's patience with you and the ability 113 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: to develop was a huge part of your success over time. 114 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh and that's that's great. That's great. That's a great 115 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: way to put it. Because the first two years of 116 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: my career were were off. I didn't have the right coach, 117 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: which was was Casey Jones. He was used to having 118 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics, which the Larry Birds, the Michael's and 119 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that. He was used to players just going 120 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: out there. We were young men, Sean Kent. We were young. 121 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: We were trying to get it. We were trying to 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: understand the game. We didn't know it. We went against 123 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Isaiah Thomas, all the type of guys who 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: were already vetters, and we were coming in their brass, 125 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: young kids that didn't know it, and we didn't know 126 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: how to play. So they took time and then the 127 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: athletes who were owning the team at the time did 128 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: a great job with us. They access what do we need, 129 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: we needed to change and if we got to change. 130 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: When we got George call And and Tim Gergeridge, who 131 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: came from Olivia, NLV which is like a dad to me, 132 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: and when he took me in, he took me back 133 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to summer leagues and in summer leagues when they were 134 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: in Utah, when they were in la at Loyola Marrimont, 135 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: and he made us play and our third year in 136 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: the year and approch in the third year of prose. 137 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: I remember the time he took me into a U 138 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: into his hotel room. He had two TVs there. He 139 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: had one with the Organ State where I played when 140 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: I was playing in the Organs State, and one when 141 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: I was playing with Seattle. Before he got there. He 142 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: made me watch both of them. It almost made me 143 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: cry to see me played as a signing. I wanted 144 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: to quit basketball. But then when I looked at my 145 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: sting at the Organ State, I said, that's Gary Payton 146 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: and he said, that's all I wanted you to say, 147 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: because we're gonna throw this TV away and this is 148 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: how you're gonna play from now on at at at Seattle. 149 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I started doing, and then everything took 150 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: the change and it went. It went from there. And 151 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: to develop a player, it's better to me than anything 152 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: to get the potential out of him because they might 153 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: not be ready. Because I look at it in college now, Colin, 154 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and I see a lot of players that come out 155 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: of the Dukes North Carolines. They're not ready, and then 156 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: and they don't last NBA that long, and all of 157 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: a sudden you don't give them that chance, and then 158 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get loans. And then we 159 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: rare were guys that We was hoping that was gonna 160 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: be that way, but they weren't. You can't have a 161 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: lot of zion weeds. You can't. There's not a lot 162 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: of them out there. They only come once every ten years. 163 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: So we gotta develop players. And I'm glad that I 164 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: went through that process to get developed like that, staying 165 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: in school four years and then became the basketball player 166 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I did in the roads. Yeah, you're a little like 167 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell is your path. Donovan was a better defensive player, 168 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: stayed in college, goes to the NBA, gets a very 169 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: good coach. His offensive game develops and develops and develops, 170 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: and now, like you, he's going to be a perennial 171 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: All Star who gives you both ends of the floor. 172 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: But his game first year in the league was not 173 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: close to this. When did it click for you? Go 174 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: back to your three or four, Gary, When did you know, oh, 175 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be an All Star in this league? You know? 176 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: It was when I made the All Star team and 177 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: my third year, you know that because of of if 178 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I got sub it got sub in Utah, and I 179 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: became one. I became that that All Star and once 180 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: they subbed me, and I became an All Star. I said, 181 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I would never, never ever not be I'll come All 182 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Star again. I'm gonna go to every year. And I 183 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: went every year for nine years, and then we had 184 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: a lockout. It would have been ten and it was 185 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: a lockout because I was averaging twenty six then during 186 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: that time during the lockout, and we didn't make it 187 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: because it was twenty five and twenty five. We barely. 188 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: We didn't make it. So I knew doing the right 189 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: then and there when they put me on that league team, 190 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and I walked in a locker room, and I've seen 191 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the John Stockins, I've seen it, Kevin Johnson's, I've seen 192 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: the Carl Malans. I've seen all of them. You know. 193 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Magic was just he was out almost his last year. 194 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: It was the last year thing. And then I've seen 195 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Isaiah on his last year, and I did like this. 196 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not never leaving this locker room again 197 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: until I feel like I should leave it, until I 198 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: think that I'm not better good for that. And then 199 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Then I went every year after that 200 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: until two thousand and four, you know, And so at 201 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: that time I was ready to leave basketball. So it 202 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: wasn't planned away. 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Two things are notable in your career. 235 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: You shot a lot of three pointers before anybody else did. 236 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: You had a year. I mean it's a long time ago. 237 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: You shot like one hundred and eighty. Now, back then 238 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: coaches would bark, but you, George Carl allowed you to 239 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: shoot them. Were there? What was the conversation like like? Now, 240 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: if you don't shoot them. Coaches are pissed. I mean, 241 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: it's bad math. But back then you kind of had 242 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: a green light to shoot them. Jordan didn't like shooting threes. 243 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Isaiah wasn't shooting threes. Did Carl give you a green light? 244 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: Or did you guys battle on the well? You know 245 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: what what happened was is that me and George we 246 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: collided with with with with our personalities. But he had 247 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: an ego and I had an ego, so we collided. 248 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: But what we did was is when we collided, what 249 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: we did is and we cuss each other out, we'll 250 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: go into the office and talk to each other. And 251 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: that's what it was good with Tim Burgeridge, where he 252 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: had his goal. What he told me was as long 253 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: you could do whatever you want to, long as you 254 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: can substitute it for something great and make something positive happen, 255 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: and we can get a positive result in it. And 256 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: if I shot threes and missing, then next thing, another 257 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: ball comes down, and then I go down and get 258 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: a great steal or a good rebound or a great 259 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: deepness of play. He didn't mind. But then when he 260 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: gave me that confidence, I started shooting them and I 261 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: started making them when you make them. Coaches don't say anything, 262 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: and especially when they're not bad shots. I wasn't coming 263 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: down taking bad shots. I was taking threes when I 264 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: felt like it was a time for the hit or 265 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: three or get a momentum of fans or anything like that, 266 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: and would make it. But when he when I missed, 267 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: always thought of my mom, Gee, was at a bag? Gary? 268 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: Was that a bad shot? Okay, let me make it 269 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: up right now, let me play his defense. And that's 270 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: what I did. Again. I got a big steal, a 271 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: big rebound, a big deflection or something like that. So 272 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: he didn't really care. As long as I made up 273 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: for it. He didn't really care, you know. Gary. The 274 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: other thing that's noteworthy is you would play eighty games 275 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: a year. I mean, you just didn't miss games. And 276 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: that's from you were not a bit You were a 277 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: six or four point, but you are often guarded twos. 278 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: You would. You were a physical player. You hit the floor. 279 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: It was a more physical league. You played both ends 280 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and you didn't miss games. Do you think you had 281 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: good genetics or did you play hurt a lot? Because 282 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: I look around the league now, Gary, big players are 283 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: hurt all the time. Were you lucky genetically or did 284 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: you just play hurt a lot? For Colin. That's gonna 285 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: be another one. I'm gonna say I was luckily genetic wise, 286 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: I was God. God gave me a good talent and 287 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: bless me not to be And Colin, I was hurt 288 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: a lot, and but I didn't show it. But what 289 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: I would do is I would go into to the 290 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: training room and get a lot of therapy and a 291 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things that helped me. You know, 292 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: with Frank Potato, who was our athletic, who was our trainer, 293 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: he always had me in there and he said, let's 294 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: do it. They start buying things for me. When I 295 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: had my bad back, we created a chair on the 296 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: plane where I sit. We had a chair, a chair 297 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: where I was when I came out the games. I 298 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: would sitting there and people would look and say what 299 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: am I in? When I had my neck mobilized in 300 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: the back thing going out, I was on the plane 301 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: with it. I didn't complain because I felt like and 302 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: when my father always told he said, if you get 303 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: on the floor, do not come out here and give 304 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: me a half a on a basketball floor. And if 305 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: you hurt, get off. If you could play, play, if 306 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: you hurt, you better give me the same one. And 307 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: that's what my mindset was. If I played, I'm not 308 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: gonna show you I'm hurting and I'm gonna give you 309 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a product that you always see. If I'm not hurt, 310 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: i'm hurting it. If I'm hurt, I'm hurting a team. 311 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: Why am I out there If I can't do the 312 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: thing that I usually do, So I'm hurting you guys. 313 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: So that's what I stopped. Gary. When to be a 314 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: great defensive player, it's like in baseball, to be a 315 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: great hitter, you have to watch a lot of tape. 316 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn, the legendary guy, he would watch tape three 317 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: and four hours a day. To be a great defensive player, 318 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: I would imagine, like offensively, you were you have certain gifts. 319 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: You're quick, you know what I mean. You're you're you're 320 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: a nimble athlete, you're twitchy. To be a good offensive player, 321 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: you were strong. But to be a great defensive player, 322 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: you were his effort. Did you watch a lot of 323 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: tape like a poker player, did you look for tells 324 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: here's a guy's week hand, here's where he can't shoot. 325 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: How tell me a little bit about when you had 326 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: to guard and Isaiah or a Michael and iverson. How 327 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: much tape did you watch? You know what kind that 328 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: was good? That was good because when I first play somebody, 329 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: I'll watch a film on him. I would watch the 330 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: best game he had during that time of where we 331 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: were playing, if during the season. I didn't want a 332 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: game that he was average. One of the game that 333 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: he was scoring, where he scored the most that he 334 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: ever scored. He scored because he was in a rhythm 335 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: and he was doing the things that he'd do all 336 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the time. I wanted to know what spots he were 337 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: really good at, was spots he wasn't good at, and 338 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: what he was struggling and what was he great And 339 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: I would watch that game, and that's the only game 340 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: I would have to watch because I would play him 341 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: again and I would when the first time I played, 342 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: I'll pace him for about a good six minutes and 343 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: then I'll figure out what he's doing. Then I'll start 344 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: going to the bench and I started telling him I 345 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: am about to get him, about to get him on 346 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: this and I'm gonna stop him this way because I 347 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: know he can't do this. So when I do it 348 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: and I turning you guys or Nate, you be right there, Nate, 349 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: because he's gonna get frustrated because we're gonna start ripping. 350 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: So then when I get him frustrated, I'll get him 351 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: out this game because he's gonna be mad, and then 352 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start talking to him, and then he's gonna 353 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: pay attention to me. So I would always do that 354 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: to all the players. I would watch him one time, 355 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: and then when I started playing them, then I started understanding. 356 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: Because you're not gonna change your game during the season. 357 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't care when nobody says you're not going to 358 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: gym and work at something else that you're done, because 359 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: you're so great at what you've already done that you're 360 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: gonna keep continuing to do it and it's not gonna 361 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: change during the season. So I know by the time 362 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: I get you in another month or so, you're not 363 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: gonna change anything because the players that you play before 364 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: that they're not gonna change and stop you. So you're 365 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: gonna still continue to think that you can do that. 366 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: But with me, I'm gonna be this. The players, I'm 367 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna stop you because I'm gonna watching who wasn't underrated 368 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: point guard that I would be surprised that gave you 369 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: a little trouble, awkward, different game length, twitchy, a guy 370 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: that was a little underrated, that maybe he didn't make 371 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: the All Star teams, but it was a little tougher 372 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: than people stripling by far by far when it was 373 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: one of was a great point guard before Tony Parker 374 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: became that point guard who got everything in the paint. 375 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: You guys, go back and look at the Rod Strickler numbers. 376 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: He was doing that before Tony Parker. He was getting 377 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: to the paint whenever he felt like an in scoring. 378 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: He was very strong, he was really crafty, and you 379 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: thought about you can do things to him, but you 380 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 1: couldn't and you couldn't guard him like that. And I 381 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: thought that they he was so underrated and didn't make 382 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: All Star team, but he was good people are wasn't 383 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't really aware. And right here now in my office, 384 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I got Rod Strickler's jersey up because I respect him 385 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: that much and got his sign right by John Stockton, 386 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: so I you know, So I just think Rod strictly 387 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: was very underrated and a very good point guard. That 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: I really didn't like the guard. By the way, was 389 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: there a perennial All Star that you actually liked matching 390 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: up with your body type? Every All Star guard. I 391 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: wanted to match up with Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, John 392 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: stock It. I wanted to match up with every one 393 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: of them because I wanted to be that number one 394 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: point goal. When I'm always they talking about all you, 395 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: number two, you number three. I wanted to always be 396 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: number one. And that's why I Chase john stocked it 397 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: down so much, and that's why idolize him now because 398 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: he taught me a lot about being becoming the number 399 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: one point guard. So I wanted everybody whoever was an 400 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: All Star. I didn't shy away from none of them. 401 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a classic. You come into the league, 402 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: you have things to work on, your coachable and you 403 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: become a star. Then there's the opposite of you, which 404 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: is Ben Simmons, who is six to eleven, comes into 405 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: the league almost as a prodigy, and appears to be 406 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: indifferent about improving his game. He can't shoot a free throw. 407 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Are I mean you didn't have You ended up being 408 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: a very good scorer. But when I think of Gary Peyton. 409 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: I don't think, oh he's Steph Curry's a natural shooter. 410 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: You worked on it is Ben Simmons. Is he hopeless? 411 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Can you change a shot? Did you ever play with 412 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: a guy that literally the first couple of years in 413 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: the league you're like, dude, can't hit a free throw 414 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: and became a great shooter. Is some of shooting Gary 415 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: just natural? Some guys have a rhythm, and some guys 416 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: just naturally don't. That's who there it is, right, dear colleague. 417 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: So I us have a rhythm and some of us don't. 418 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: I think what what Ben Simmons problem is is that 419 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: he's so good and he does some stuff so well 420 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: and nobody stops him. He doesn't think that he has 421 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: to change or he has to shoot that shot because 422 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: he knows he can get to the basket. As you 423 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: remember when he missed the free throws and he was 424 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: hacking and stuff like that. Then he came back in 425 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: Game three and dominated that. You remember he had dunts, 426 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: he had twenty some points. He's very confidence. His confidence 427 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: was here, but when it gets down here he starts 428 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: to be that player that he listens to everything. I 429 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: think basketball is all about confidence, as you said, colleague, 430 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: I didn't come in the league as a great shooter. 431 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: He said, that was my knock on me, Ben drafted 432 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: can he shoot? But what I did was I started 433 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: working at it with coach Coach Kirk, and all of 434 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: a sudden, when I shot it, I believe it was 435 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: going in and I did it. But what I became 436 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: was a score, not a shooter. I'm not a shooter. 437 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm a score. All I had to do was put 438 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: that that orange basketball between that orange rim and people 439 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: who were people who understand what's going on. We have 440 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: to stop him from doing that. And then when they 441 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: start trying to do that, I put my game out, 442 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: hit a couple of shots and killing the threes. Now 443 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna pull up on me, and then my game 444 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: is going to the bucket and being quick. And that's 445 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: all I had to do. But what being is he 446 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: is after work on his three those shoot That's it 447 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: being a point guard. I get you happily shoot seventy 448 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: five percent or buff to make them be respectful. I 449 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: think that is disrespectful to play the shack of hack 450 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: against him and they think about it. You gotta take 451 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: him out of the game and he's one of your stars. 452 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: I think he should take that personal, and I think 453 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: he should go and work on it and make punish 454 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: people every time they do that. Punish them and go 455 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: over to the the bench and look at them when you 456 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: do that, and say keep following, because I'm gonna keep 457 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: getting more points. Gary, when you played in the Pacific Northwest, 458 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about stuff like this. But I 459 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: never thought the geography hindered the Sonics. You guys got 460 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: free agents, you made trades, people like playing in Seattle 461 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: with Dame Lillard. Portland's a smaller market it is now. 462 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: There's no Sonics or Vancouver. It's geographically sort of isolated. 463 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: So I understand loyalty, but I also get in certain markets, 464 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Zion may have to leave New Orleans to really be, 465 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, a face of the league player. You never 466 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: left Seattle until the end, and then it gets down 467 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: to it. You were when you were great, Seattle paid you, 468 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: it was great. Then you get to the end and 469 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, Seattle may not feel they want to pay you. 470 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: Let's go to when you left because Dame Lillard has 471 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: a decision to make. Why did you leave Seattle? Was 472 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: it more about management? Saying all right, we just we 473 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: just can't. You're not worth what we think you're worth anymore. 474 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: Or would you have stayed if they'd up the ante, 475 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: if they would have paid me out to stay, But 476 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: it was about new management, new ownership, figuring that he's 477 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: getting Oh, we don't need to pay him that money 478 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: forget So that was disrespectful to me or for what 479 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: I've done for that franchise, for all of that loan, 480 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: and then you want to treat me like that. You 481 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: could have gave me a three fourths of the money 482 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: and I would have took to stay in Seattle because 483 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: that's my hometown. That's the second hometown from Open California. 484 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: Gettle is my other hometeam. I would have took that. 485 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: But it was a disrespectful thing to not give me 486 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: my money when I asked for it, when I didn't 487 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: never ask for money. I played my first crunk contract 488 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: out seven years, and I went to my next one 489 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: the next six years and try and play that one out. 490 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: But you didn't want to give it to me. You 491 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: were done with it. You wanted to go another market. 492 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: So I left. It's a different era calling nowadays with 493 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: Dame Dame is from where I'm from. We built from 494 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: a Saint claud I think we just so loyal that 495 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: when the team drafts it, we want to stay there 496 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: and be that team that player. We want to be 497 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: that team player. We'll give you all the options. You 498 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: treat me right, you get players around me, We're fine. 499 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: But then when it comes to a point where people 500 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: are starting to talk about super team, team up with 501 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: this guy, team up with that one, and then you know, 502 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: money is a big part of this thing. Right now, 503 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: if you can go to New York and make three 504 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: times much as you can and poor, and why not go? 505 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: If you can get another superstar to come with you, 506 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: why not go. I just don't think Danny Little is 507 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: like that. I think he likes to be by himself. 508 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: He wants to build a championship team and build him. 509 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: He did it when he left opening when the Weaver 510 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: State was the only team to recruit him out of 511 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: high school, the first one. Then when he starts having 512 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: great a senior year, everybody want to recruit him. And 513 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: what was the first thing came out of his mind. 514 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm lawyer. They were the first wanted to look at 515 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: me and stay with me. And believe in me. So 516 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay with weaver Shate and I'm going to 517 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: weaver Shade. That's it fine. And he stayed there for 518 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: three or four years. So this is what he's selling. 519 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: And that's my young that's my young guy. I love 520 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: him and death talk to you another day. And it's 521 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: just that that's what he wants. He wants Portland to 522 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: build a team and they go and win it and 523 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: prove that they can win it. Instead of having four 524 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: or five guys together we go to work out. Oh, 525 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play with you in two years. You do that. 526 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: There's go to your hometown. He is. It's just not 527 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: like that. How would you defend as a nine time 528 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: All Defensive Team guy? How would you defend Dame? That's 529 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: hard because with him and Steph Curry the way they 530 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: shoot the ball, and if they can driven to two 531 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: steps over over the half court and pull up and 532 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: it's a rhythm shot, it's very hard. And then we're 533 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: coming off picks and big men nowadays are not stepping there. 534 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: They don't stepping up and hedging them out and making 535 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: them go this way so I can recover. They don't 536 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: get through and I get here the pitch and I 537 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: come around, and once they get a little little light, 538 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna fire. He's gonna shoot them to me. Nowadays, 539 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: what I would do with them when I can't touch 540 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: him and I can't hit him, I would I would 541 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: press dame. I would have to just turn it, and 542 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: then when I try to get the ball out of 543 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: his hand, I would deny him and make him work. 544 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Once you make players like that, work work, work, work, work, work, 545 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: and get tired, some of them start to fade way 546 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: and say, okay, I'm getting tired. I don't want to 547 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: work as hard as I gotta get the ball. And 548 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: they don't do what we do to do. College player 549 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: coaches don't call it plays like set two picksy, give 550 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: me two big men in there so we can get off. 551 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: They don't do that anymore. All they're gonna do is 552 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: that one thick switch, and I see they're not gonna 553 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: work no more. So that's what players gotta do to 554 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: these GOP players, because they can score the basketball so well. 555 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: In your era, you were very effective, so was Jordan's 556 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: hand check. You could push in direct players. Now it's eliminated, 557 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw a theory at you. More guards 558 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: are getting hurt now as they've eliminated the hand check. 559 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: And here's my theory. When there was a hand check, 560 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: you could mostly keep a guard out of the paint. 561 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: Now they all get past. You can't stay in front 562 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: of any of these guys. They often go in the 563 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: paint and bigger guys land on them, hit them. So 564 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: we think the hand check was physical eliminated, it actually 565 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: protected guards. You couldn't get past Gary Payton, you couldn't 566 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: get past Jordan, so you more often settled for a jumper, which, 567 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: by the way, you're not against the forest, you're not 568 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: playing against the trees. I have argued that if you 569 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: if you initiate the hand check again, it's safer for guards. 570 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: You'll have less injuries. Your thoughts, That is very true 571 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: because you can think about it when they go in there. 572 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: Now all these guards are falling, and then when they 573 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: fall they fall into stuff, they start hitting things, they 574 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: start hitting the backboard, they hitting the ground, and that's 575 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: taking a toll on their body. Then, Gody, you gotta understand, 576 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: these guys don't work out like we used to work out. 577 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: We used to stay in the gym a long time, 578 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: get a lot of physical therapy, a lot of weights in. 579 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: We wouldn't probably lead a gym for five and six hours. 580 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Nowadays they two hours, they're gone, they're out. It's a 581 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: rule now that you can't even stay in there and 582 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: practice him for two hours. You got preseason, you got 583 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: training camp for two days. That's it. You don't have 584 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: double days. Nothing. You don't work or your body get 585 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: it strong or nothing. So a lot of injuries are 586 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: occurring if you do have to hand check in and 587 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: don't get in front of him. Yeah, they're selling selling now, 588 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: but they're gonna stay healthy. They're not gonna keep going 589 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: in there and pound it. Let me give you example. 590 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: When I went to Miami Heat, Dwayne Way was on 591 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: my team. Duwayane Way would get to the bucket all 592 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: the time because you couldn't hand check him, anohing Where 593 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: was he at all the time? Faulting? After we get it? 594 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: After the game, I would always see him in the 595 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: training room he was iced up and I was like, 596 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: man you okay, man o gum hurt. I'm hurt. I said, Dwayne, 597 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: you have to stay off the floor. That floor doesn't 598 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: move and it's hard you gotta stay off that floor. 599 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: It don't move. So he was like, oh, Jay, you're right, 600 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: You're right. So I said, you guys keep going in 601 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: the in them trees is trying to beat you down, 602 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: and everybody is trying to get in. Everybody's athletic down 603 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: and they're jumping, they're hitting you and you coming down rong. 604 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: We see colline. Every time one of these guards jump, 605 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: they either twisting their ankle, their knees hurt. You see 606 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: how Murray went from Denifer went to the bucket, strong, pounding, pounding, pounding, 607 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: and tears his leg up. You see Mitchell do the 608 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: same thing on his leg. He had to leave the 609 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: other day because he twists the same ankle. So we 610 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: have to understand that this game is not as physical 611 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: as we were because we had to do that and 612 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: we had to be in that physical shape. But they're 613 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: not like that anymore. So it's a lot of injuries 614 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: that are current. You know what's funny, we have since 615 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: found out that Michael Jordan was not always the greatest teammate. 616 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: Scottie Pitchers got a new book out when Michael took 617 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: a shot at you, and it was just kind of 618 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: Michael's confidence. That's how he talks. You didn't fire back, 619 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: It didn't seem to penetrate. I don't know. I'm sure 620 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: people have asked you. Did it piss you off? Or 621 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: did you just come to terms with That's just Michael, 622 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: That's just who he is. That's how he talks. Colin. 623 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: I didn't care about that, because I tell everybody now 624 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: and now I've been commented on it. If he didn't 625 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: say that, I wouldn't respect him. I wouldn't respect him 626 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: at all. I wouldn't even look at him anymore. Because 627 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: he's a competitor like me. I look forward to guard him. 628 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He laughed. I would have 629 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: laughed the same thing because I don't think he could 630 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: guard me. So if you would have did that, I 631 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be like please, you know what I'm saying. So 632 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: it's a respect thing. I think Michael Jordan is great, 633 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I love playing against him, 634 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: but it's his show. He directed that. Why would he 635 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: say something to make him look like a fluid? So 636 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I would I don't care about that. 637 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: We can't bring the path back. I can't bring nineteen 638 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: ninety six. Back, I wish that we would have did 639 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: things different and I would have guarded even earlier, because 640 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: we would have showed me. But as we all know, 641 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: they want it. It is what it is. But I 642 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: would have laughed too, you know what I'm saying, because 643 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: it is what it is. I'm still laughing because I 644 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: know when he was guarding me, he couldn't guard me either. Yeah, 645 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: it's funny. You would have worked very well in today's game. 646 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: You're you're an excellent three point shooter. Again, you would 647 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: have been, you know, a better Donovan Mitchell. And Donovan 648 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: Mitchell's an All Star. You know, Michael was never he 649 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: never had the range of Kobe. Michael was not he was. 650 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: He was more Kawhi Leonard. And by the way, Michael 651 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: with that strength could not keep people in front of 652 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: him like he did. Michael was always stronger than people thought. 653 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Michael wouldn't be terrific, but it is 654 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: interesting that certain players are built for certain eras you 655 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: are built for today. You were a three point shooter. 656 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: You were what coaches look for. You. You were like 657 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: Chris Paul, but a much better offensive player. When you 658 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: you really, when you look at Chris Paul in his prime, 659 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: do you see a little of your Kyl and I 660 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: with him and Rondo. I basically praised them too. Right now, 661 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: there are only two point guards in the NBA right now, 662 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: that's true point guards, period, point bard. They're just true 663 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: point guards. Everybody else there's like two and two guards 664 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: to meet. Point guards. They shoot and score a basketball 665 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: right as. You see what Chris Paul has done for 666 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns right now, you can't go and be 667 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: six and two and sweet teams and speak A great 668 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: dember team was the Eds. I had the MDP on 669 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: there and Chris Paul comes back and have thirty seven, 670 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty eight and whatever in sixteen, seventeen, eighteen 671 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: and six. That's what he does for a basketball team. 672 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: And yes, I probably have a better offensive game, but 673 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: I think his offensive game is coming right now. It's 674 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: very coming. As you get older, you get better at offensive. 675 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: Mind it, You get better because you started doing things 676 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: that you say, Okay, I can't really do this no more. 677 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: Let me start getting that fadeaway jump shot, let me 678 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: get this jump shot. Let me pick my times when 679 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I need to do it, and Chris Paul is doing 680 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: that as soon as I played him the first time, 681 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: and Byron Scott was his cool and I went at 682 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: him and he barked back at me. When I went on, 683 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: Byron Scott told me to come here, then come in 684 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: and GP. I'm like, what's up here? Dog? You ain't 685 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: gonna be able to get him? He got he got 686 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: too much dog at him and I said good. And 687 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: when he kept coming back at me and I went 688 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: after the game and Byron Scott said, I told you, 689 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: and I tell you, I said, yeah, he gonna be 690 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: a good he gonna be good. And that's when I 691 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: started saying, Chris Paul is gonna be you're a great 692 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: basketball player. When he started doing that type of situation, 693 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: when he didn't back down to All Star, had been 694 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: in the league seventy years to a rookie, and he 695 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: did what he did, and he's doing it now as 696 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: he gets older. So I, yes, I think I'm a 697 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: better scorer than CP was. But he's all around. He's 698 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: just like he plays defense, he gives in the pass line, 699 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: he give you everything, sist does all this stuff he's 700 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: supposed to do. Hey, good luck. Lincoln University in Oakland. 701 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: I loved having you on. You're gonna be a great recruiter. 702 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: You can talk it, you can walk it, you can 703 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: play it. I loved having you on, buddy, And anytime 704 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: you need anything, you reach out. Thanks Colin. I appreciate 705 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: you for having me on. As soon as we hit 706 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: you and talk to your body. You always pleasure anytime 707 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: you need me on. It as good. Try to come 708 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: out here and catch some of these gags, man, because 709 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some Googles with me. I have something 710 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: to play like me, Kylin, I'm gonna have something. 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