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Speaker 1: Support for this show is brought to you by the

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Speaker 1: new Audible true crime original Call Me God. The Untold

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Speaker 1: Story of the DC Sniper Investigation, from the leading true

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Speaker 1: crime investigative team that brought you the New York Times

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Speaker 1: bestseller Evil Has a Name comes as new riveting probe

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Speaker 1: into the manhunt for the elusive DC Snipers. Here that

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Speaker 1: never before told story the chilling and volatile investigation that

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Speaker 1: led to the killers capture, ending in on precedented twenty

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Speaker 1: three day reign of terror that paralyzed the DC area

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Speaker 1: and gripped the nation as a whole, Told firstand by

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Speaker 1: those essential to solving the case, and including a fascinating

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Speaker 1: look into the behavioral, ballistic, forensic, and electronic analysis that

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Speaker 1: required joined FBI agent brothers Jim Clemente and Tim Clemente

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Speaker 1: as they lead us through the tangled path of discovery

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Speaker 1: and evidence gathering that only a select few had the

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Speaker 1: vision to see. Call Me God, The Untold Story of

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Speaker 1: the DC Sniper Investigation. How do you stop what you

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Speaker 1: Who's Been SHOT's Lock the Doors? Lock the doors. Do

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Speaker 1: you know that sniper thing is going on in Montgomery County.

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Speaker 1: I jumped in my car and I raced down their

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Speaker 1: lights and sirens and I arrived in the parking lot

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Speaker 1: outside of the Michael's Craft Store. I'm pulling into the

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Speaker 1: parking space and I glanced on my left. I see

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Speaker 1: another similar vehicle that I recognize pulling up and it

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Speaker 1: happens to be my brother Jim. So the first thing

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Speaker 1: I did when I got here was speak to the sheriff.

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Speaker 1: The actual sheriff of Spots of Bania County was here

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Speaker 1: on scene. I asked him if he had a list

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Speaker 1: of witnesses and he said no, there were no witnesses.

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Speaker 1: And I said, there's three thousand cars in this parking lot.

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Speaker 1: There had to be some witness and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: there's one kid, nineteen year old, but he's a liar.

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Speaker 1: And I said, what do you mean, We've dealt with

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Speaker 1: him before. He's a liar, And I said, well, what

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Speaker 1: did he He said he saw an African American guy

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Speaker 1: with an afro peel out in a dark sedan and

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Speaker 1: he thought that's where the shot came from. And I said, great,

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Speaker 1: did you put out an a p B on that,

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Speaker 1: and he said, no, I put out an a PV

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Speaker 1: on the white van, just like Chief Moose told us.

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Speaker 1: Frustrated that the sheriff has not put an ap B

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Speaker 1: out for the dark sedan, Jim turns his focus to

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Speaker 1: the crime scene. The shooting victim is forty three year

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Speaker 1: old Caroline Seawell, who at two PM pulled her minivan

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Speaker 1: into the parking lot of Michael's Craft Store in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: With Halloween only three weeks away. She came to buy decorations,

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Speaker 1: including a funny scarecrow for her kids. Caroline Seawell walked

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Speaker 1: She walked over to her minivan. I was parked right

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Speaker 1: here in front of the store. That she was loading

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Speaker 1: her packages into the tailgate of the minivan, and as

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Speaker 1: she's closing the back gate, Caroline Seawell is shot in

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Speaker 1: the back. She fell down right there behind the tailgate

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Speaker 1: of her van. Caroline Seawell is rushed to the hospital

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Speaker 1: in critical condition, but she becomes the first sniper victim

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Speaker 1: to survive. The bullet went through her and went into

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Speaker 1: the van. And so I looked at the angle of

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Speaker 1: entry and turned around and sighted a tall sign for

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Speaker 1: one of the restaurants out in the distance, and then

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Speaker 1: crime scene set up, which was only about fifty yards

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Speaker 1: away from where the shooting had actually occurred, but I

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Speaker 1: kept walking it out. I'm going to set out a

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Speaker 1: hundred yard grid to search the area to see if

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Speaker 1: there's any shell casings or any other forensic evidence that

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Speaker 1: we might be able to find around this crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Jim walks about eighty seven yards away from Seawells Van

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Speaker 1: and stop set a traffic median at the edge of

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Speaker 1: the parking lot. To his right is the driveway entrance

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Speaker 1: I noticed a two two three shell casing laying on

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Speaker 1: the ground right here against the curb. I immediately had

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Speaker 1: the a t F agent go and tell the sheriff

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Speaker 1: bring them out here, get their forensics people here, and

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Speaker 1: move all the press and spectators way back, because at

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Speaker 1: this point they were between the crime scene and where

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Speaker 1: the victim was shot. This was an incredibly significant fine

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Speaker 1: because it made it appear that the shooter was most

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Speaker 1: likely in a vehicle. All he had to do was

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Speaker 1: location if you want to rapid get away to an

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Speaker 1: in an hour. In fact, that's probably why this location

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Speaker 1: was chosen in the first place. The shell casing could

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Speaker 1: laboratory does not yet have the capability to lift a

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Speaker 1: fingerprint often expired shell casing. I hear a chopper flying

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Speaker 1: in low overhead and the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team chopper

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Speaker 1: lands in a grassy area just beyond where I had

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Speaker 1: found that shell casing. They came so they could fly

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Speaker 1: the evidence back to the forensic laboratory to test it

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Speaker 1: to see whether or not it was actually from the

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Speaker 1: same sniper, the same sniper rifle. It was at that

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Speaker 1: time I'm realizing that the snipers dancing around Washington, d

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Speaker 1: see the biggest media market in the world, he's dealing

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Speaker 1: with small town police and sheriff's jurisdictions that don't have

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Speaker 1: the manpower or the forensic capability to actually do an

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Speaker 1: overwhelming job. In this case, he's still getting all the

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Speaker 1: press and coverage, but he's not having to deal head

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Speaker 1: to head with the FBI. And to me, that changed

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Speaker 1: the profile significantly. That added a detail that I wanted

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Speaker 1: b AU to download all the information that Tim and

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Speaker 1: I got from the scene to all my colleagues and

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Speaker 1: the profiling unit, and we start a very deep and

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Speaker 1: intense discussion about who this sniper might be and his

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Speaker 1: potential motivations. We began at this point developing media strategies

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Speaker 1: to be used so that long enforcement could communicate with

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Speaker 1: the sniper and try to lower the probability that he

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Speaker 1: would shoot more people. Whatever his grievance is. We want

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Speaker 1: the sniper to know that we hear him. One way

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Speaker 1: to do that is actually to give him the power.

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Speaker 1: We scripted things for the police to say, like, whatever

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Speaker 1: happens now is in God's hands. God only knows why

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Speaker 1: this person is killing people, so that we would imply

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Speaker 1: that the person pulling the trigger did have the power

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Speaker 1: of God.