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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Hi, guys, Nancy Grays here,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. With me is my long

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Speaker 1: time a friend and colleague, defense attorney Renee Rockwell, who

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Speaker 1: was known as the Queen of Joke. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I would like that name, Renee, but sadly that

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Speaker 1: is your monikers, the queen of dope. Not that you

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Speaker 1: ever used joke, but you sure represent a lot of

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Speaker 1: dope crimes. Renee. Let me tell you where I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm in not any man, and I am driving at home.

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Speaker 1: It's about a five hour drive from the Colleton County

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Speaker 1: court House where the verdict again Alex Murdog has just

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Speaker 1: been handed down in sentencing of walking two life sentences

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Speaker 1: to run consecutively. Renee, I hate so without parole's sentence,

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Speaker 1: but boom too. You know what. I think he should

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Speaker 1: get out of jail when Maggie and Paul can get

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Speaker 1: out of their coffin. When do you think that will

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Speaker 1: be anytime soon? Well? I have my thoughts about the

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Speaker 1: whole case and whether or not I felt like he

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Speaker 1: did it or not, but that's not a job. The

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Speaker 1: jury's already handed down their verdict and he placed himself

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Speaker 1: at the end of the crime two minutes before the shooting,

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Speaker 1: because his voice was caught on a video. All was

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Speaker 1: making a video of a pet dog to send to

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Speaker 1: a lady that but I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about something other than the jury verdict, because the jury's

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Speaker 1: rendered their verdict, that feeling after he finished the trial,

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Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you, the lead lawyer, Frighton Waters

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Speaker 1: lost fifteen pounds during the trial. He was pale, aunt,

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Speaker 1: shadows under his eyes. I mean, it takes a toll, Renee.

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Speaker 1: It does. And Nancy, do you ever recall getting anything

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Speaker 1: else done while you're on trial? Even while you were

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Speaker 1: waiting for the jury, you don't turn your attention to

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Speaker 1: anything else. It's almost like you you're sending energy to

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Speaker 1: the gerars. I couldn't get a thing done. I would

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Speaker 1: let bills go by, everything would pile up. I remember

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Speaker 1: after one trial, Renee leaving the courtroom, going back across

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Speaker 1: the bridge to the courthouse where my office was, and

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Speaker 1: I went in my office. As the whole time I

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Speaker 1: was on trial, the records room had been bringing new

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Speaker 1: cases to my office and putting them on my desk.

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Speaker 1: That huge stack of about I don't know seventy new

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Speaker 1: cases had been had fallen over on my desk like

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Speaker 1: an accordion and had gone down the side of the desk,

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Speaker 1: and I had left a dozen Christy cream donuts in

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Speaker 1: there the morning that I left to go start the trial,

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Speaker 1: which lasted about three weeks. And I mean it looked like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a cyclone had hit my office, because I

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Speaker 1: never went back during the trial. And you did you

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Speaker 1: get anything done even while the jury was out? Could

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Speaker 1: you even move barely from the courtroom or the bench outside? Now,

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Speaker 1: I did you nervous? When I first started drying cases,

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Speaker 1: I tried to actually sit really close to the jury

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Speaker 1: room and see at least I could hear them fighting

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Speaker 1: or you know, voices race. And then one time I

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Speaker 1: heard them arguing, and I got so upset and I said,

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Speaker 1: to the veil of what is happening. I can hear arguments,

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Speaker 1: said their race voice. You said, they're just getting their

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Speaker 1: to listen to it. And you know, a defense attorney

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Speaker 1: loves the jury that's arguing with each other, loves that

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Speaker 1: maybe they'll they'll hang Nancy, and I will call you

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Speaker 1: after trial. You would always go in. You love to

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Speaker 1: collect the notes that were left behind, thrown away, the

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Speaker 1: jurard notes. You could tell from those notes what they

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Speaker 1: thought was important. Another thing you taught me, Nancy, was

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Speaker 1: after a trial going to the jurors, the ones that

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Speaker 1: would stay and talk to you. They were just about

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Speaker 1: but you always wanted to talk to a juror about

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Speaker 1: what did you love, what did you hate, what did

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Speaker 1: we miss you on? What was important, what was not important?

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Speaker 1: Help us, help us learn how to how to clean

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Speaker 1: it up, tighten it up. You never know when you're

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Speaker 1: gonn to try the case again, even if it's a

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Speaker 1: bitter pill to swallow. You know, you can hear that

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Speaker 1: and do better the next time. But you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about right now, Renee, this is a beautiful country.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. Holton County is really pretty.

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Speaker 1: And where we cover the trial I almost said where

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Speaker 1: we trying the case was, um, you know there, the

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Speaker 1: Calton County Courthouse in Walterboro, South Carolina. Renee, It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The weather is like you know, have you ever got

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Speaker 1: any any parts of the sites that were mentioned in

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Speaker 1: know you love to do that, you like you know,

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Speaker 1: you're the same, you know. I I into every every

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Speaker 1: to get in or did get in. There was some

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Speaker 1: really pretty country. But what it strikes me right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a little red light and the whole town.

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Speaker 1: There is a McDonald's and a Sprint gas station on

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Speaker 1: my left, a Baptist church of course was both on

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, no it's not. It's not a Baptist Church's

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Speaker 1: Church of Christ Beach Island. And that's it. That is it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's a welding shot. There are a lot of little

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Speaker 1: whole thing, and people from all around the area are

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Speaker 1: typically called for jury duty. But I'm looking at how

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Speaker 1: beautiful it is, Renee and just thinking what an idiot

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Speaker 1: Murdoch is to give up. Is beautiful, wife, is children,

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Speaker 1: they had three homes, and I'm telling you, Moselle, that

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Speaker 1: that country is just beautiful, tall pine trees, just are

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Speaker 1: as I can see, and let's see it says it's

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Speaker 1: eighty one degrees outside. He's never gonna be free driving

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Speaker 1: down the road like I am right now. It's never again, Renee. Well,

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Speaker 1: not with a life without parole, consecutive life without parole,

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Speaker 1: and Nancy, I don't like a without parole sentence, and

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Speaker 1: prosecutors should not like those types of sentences either. Those

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Speaker 1: are the consentences. Well, those are the kind of sentences.

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Speaker 1: He's septent four years old, So life with parole, possibility

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Speaker 1: of parole, he's never getting out likely. But with all parole,

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Speaker 1: an inmate has no reason to follow the rules. An

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Speaker 1: inmate has no reason to walk the line. Renee, Why

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Speaker 1: do you say things like that? I mean, I'm just curious,

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Speaker 1: like this guy is going to follow the rules. He's

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Speaker 1: stolen them at least nine million dollars from his clients,

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Speaker 1: some of them quatch apolegic poling cancer victims that are dying,

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Speaker 1: people that are left with nothing. He stole from them

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Speaker 1: without following the rules. He cheated on his wife, was

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Speaker 1: that following the rules? He killed Paul and Maggie. Without

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Speaker 1: No way. I don't even know why he said that.

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Speaker 1: I just said that, Nancy, because when you see an

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Speaker 1: get in a lot of trouble. While in Jay and

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Speaker 1: you shall, I don't care one. I'll lay that to

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Speaker 1: the warden. I'm gonna let the wardens do his or

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Speaker 1: her job, and I'm gonna do my job, let the

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Speaker 1: prosecutions do their job. And life without the possibility of

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Speaker 1: parole is really light when you compare it to a

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Speaker 1: possible death penalty sentence he could have gotten in South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I was trying to tell you, how

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Speaker 1: never really been through it very much. And what an

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Speaker 1: idiot Murdoch must have been to give up everything, and

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Speaker 1: that one moment of anger he lost all this And

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Speaker 1: you're talking to me about life without parole, Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So so, Nancy, I do have my feelings, as I

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Speaker 1: told you, about licenses when there's no possibility of parole,

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Speaker 1: if that's what you want to talk about. But across book,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about why are people such idiots?

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Speaker 1: Do they not think about anything? That he really think

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Speaker 1: It's all over there. You go on. He's on his

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Speaker 1: way to the poking now. But Natty, I was talking

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Speaker 1: don't even know? They weren't in the courtroom. I mean Renee. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I say, I'm going to have to go through the

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Speaker 1: me go through the evidence with Renee. So this is

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Speaker 1: what happened before I get lost. Let me see. Here

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Speaker 1: is this where I'm turning? Yes, this is where I'm

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Speaker 1: turning Renee the night of the murders Maggie, Paul and Murdock.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he lured Mackie to the hunting lodge

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Speaker 1: by telling her that his father, mister Randolph, was going

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Speaker 1: They weren't living together, to my understanding, but he gilted

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Speaker 1: did go see mister Randolph. That was a big fat lie.

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Speaker 1: So they're out there at this kennel trying to take

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Speaker 1: a video of a dog, and it's a video to

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Speaker 1: not see his family, for I had not seen them

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Speaker 1: for nearly two hours. And they asked if when did

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Speaker 1: you see them? He said at supper. He lied about

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Speaker 1: that video, I get Paul were shot. Now, who other

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Speaker 1: than the killer Renee would know to Why about the

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Speaker 1: And when all you have to do is press reset, replay,

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Speaker 1: Times are critical twenty twenty three, Nancy, you can just

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Speaker 1: multiple friends, family, flaw partners say even I think his

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Speaker 1: brother said that is Alex Murdoch on that video, and

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Speaker 1: but defense attorneys are the first one to step up

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Speaker 1: and say, yes, you're right, I was ineffective. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an affidavit. I was ineffective because I didn't do

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Speaker 1: this that that is that, sign their names to it

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Speaker 1: and file that out the land. They help the clients

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Speaker 1: acts exactly. Oh yeah, the defense They was out from

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Speaker 1: the court out today, all wearing their sunglasses talking about

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Speaker 1: how unfair of the trial was and they vowed to

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Speaker 1: a feel and like a first they as the first. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're already working on that affield. Man, you'll see it.

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Speaker 1: But you'll see a new set of attorneys coming in

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Speaker 1: for the appeal because they will at this point have

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Speaker 1: to talk about how the first defense team messed up

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Speaker 1: in some form or fashion and caused some type of

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Speaker 1: an appealable issue. You know, I'm thinking Renee, the other nine.

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Speaker 1: I finished work, lay, I flit for a walk around

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Speaker 1: the four house and I walked down to the jail

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Speaker 1: and it's surrounded by razor wire. This is glittered in

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Speaker 1: the n eye in the life, and I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: Murdoch being in there and what he was thinking, what

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Speaker 1: he did this thing, I'm telling you, and I cannot

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Speaker 1: breathe in this air fast to get away from Murdoch

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Speaker 1: and the waste of the thought of being in jail,

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Speaker 1: and the waste of the crime scene photos of Paul

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Speaker 1: and Naggie and all of them heart breaks, Alex Burdog

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Speaker 1: frained down on his family. I gotta tell you now,

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Speaker 1: you've got a strong or something that I do hard

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Speaker 1: enough to prosecus case, much less offend these people. But

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Speaker 1: you know what my hat talked to you. Nay rockfelt

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Speaker 1: goodbye friends,