1 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Lauren Vogelbon 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and I'm an Eries, and today we are still talking 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: about honey still forever. It's the Honey Show now Honey 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Stuff because as we found when we started researching this topic, 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: there's so much history, and so we we decided to 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: split it into the kind of cultural history for the 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: first episode, and in this episode we're going to talk 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: about the medical history and and modern research going into 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: the really completely incredible things that honey can do for you. Right. 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever been recommended to use honey for medicinal purpose? 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I have a friend of mine is an aesthetician, and 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: she always recommends doing honey facials, um, which I have 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: done and forgot to tie my bangs up first. I 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: have I have fringe and uh it was very it 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: was a huge mess. Have gone wrong, but my but 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: my skin felt really nice afterwards. If there's that, have you? Yeah? Um. 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: When I was in Peru hiking, the people I was 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: with highly recommended these um lozenges. They were honey and 19 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the coca leaves for altitude sickness and like the dry air. 20 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: And I can't say if they worked or if I 21 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: just was desperate for some kind of relief. But I 22 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: was like popping them one this caffeine and then it 23 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: would coat your throat. Um. That does sound fun. Yeah, 24 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: it seemed to work. And we are definitely not the 25 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: only people to use honey as some kind of medical cure, 26 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: curative medicine type thing. Yes, absolutely not. Yeah, this this 27 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: goes back to like Sumerian clay tablets. Yes, honey is 28 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: sometimes called the oldest medicine known to man, and the 29 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: first record of honey being used medicinally goes back to 30 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: those Sumerian clay tablets that were The dates range from 31 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: maybe nineteen hundred to twelve BC. Yeah, I I saw 32 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: reports going like even a hundred or two hundred years 33 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: older than that. History is hard, No one knows. Historical 34 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: numbers are fun as we say, um. But yes, of 35 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: the prescriptions on one of the tablets used honey. Um. 36 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: The Egyptians were all about honey. They loved honey, seriously 37 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: loved it. Um, And they primarily primarily used it to 38 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: make ointments that treated diseases of skin and eyes. But 39 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: that that was it at all. No, No, there were 40 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: so much of BC. Manuscript from Egypt detailed how they 41 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: would use honey as a remedy both internally and externally 42 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: as a circle dressing for burns and ulcers or if 43 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: you had some I inflammation going on. And it was 44 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: also a component in laxative and worm remedies. Worm remedies. 45 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: Apparently our ancestors were just filled with worms, y'all. Sorry, 46 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: not a sentence I was expected of this podcast today, 47 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm happy it's there. There's some really fascinating 48 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: stuff about genetics and how people had to adjust to 49 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: how how infested they were with worms, and like we've 50 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: kept those genes even though we've gotten rid of our 51 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: worm problems, and they're like negative consequences for for for 52 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: health purposes in some ways, I think fascinating. Yeah, I 53 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: think it's like like Norse kind of area. People. I'll 54 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: have to look it up sometime. It's great. Yes, please, yeah, 55 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: send me a link about that. Okay, we're cool. Were 56 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: im tangent back to honey. Welcome to food stuff. Sorry 57 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: about it, Sorry about it. We're in tangion scholore um. Okay. 58 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of Egyptian medicines were some form of milk, 59 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: wine and honey, like mixed mixture that sounds delicious anyway, 60 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: It kind of does. I'm not sure the milk and 61 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: wine go together, but hey. They also sometimes offered honey 62 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: to their gods as a sacrifice, so like they really 63 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: respected this honey. Yeah, they could not get enough of it. Uh, 64 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and they were the only ones, the Greeks. Um. They 65 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: went further. They used it as a medicine, often mixing 66 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: it with not wine but grape juice, and athletes would 67 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: drink a mixture of honey and water for energy before 68 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: major events. That makes perfect sense, Yeah, a lot of energy, 69 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: a lot of carbohydrates. Also, Aristotle wrote about it around 70 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: three hundred to four dred BC, as that was the 71 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: time that he was writing things yes and living. Um. 72 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: He said that pale honey is good as a salve 73 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: for sore eyes and for wounds. Yeah, so we're already 74 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: kind of seeing a theme here, like eyes and general 75 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: cuts anything on the outside. Um. Honey also pops up 76 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: a number of times in the Bible. One of Solomon's 77 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: proverbs was quote, my son, eat thou honey, for it 78 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: is good. Yes, I'll take care of roses. Got some 79 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: honey out of a pebble. And the Jews believed it 80 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: would make you more quote mentally keen uh. Saul's son 81 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan used honey to regain his strength. Yeah sure. Meanwhile, 82 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: Hindus touted honey as a curative for coughs and stomach problems. 83 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: The Kuran also talked about honey's healing ability quote and 84 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: thy Lord taught the bee to build its cell in 85 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: the hills. There are issues from within their bodies a 86 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: ink of varying colors, wherein is healing for men. Muhammad 87 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: is said to have recommended honey to treat diarrhea, so 88 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: it popped up in a lot of religious text. Hippocrates 89 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: also recommended honey for a variety of elements, including difficulty 90 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: breathing since since it caused spitting his words, um, and 91 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: to clean source. He even thought it was good for 92 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: some plants, claiming that soaking the seeds and honey would 93 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: make whatever it was they were growing taste sweeter, particular cucumbers. 94 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: I remember, I don't think that's an accurate statement of fact, 95 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: and so maybe that's an experiment, will try. Um. He 96 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: also recommended it as a potential treatment for baldness. Apparently 97 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: this keeps popping up like along with Onion Juice episode. Yeah, 98 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: balding was a big concern. Yeah then and now Yeah, 99 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: but balding. I was just reading another thing about this 100 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: um earlier balding was associated with syphilis. It would it 101 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: would cause syphilis, would cause premature hair loss. So so 102 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: especially if you don't want to be running around like 103 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: having people be like, how's that syphilis doing? Brokay, yeah, 104 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: you want to get rid of it. Written mentions of 105 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: honey are spread throughout Europe and in China and certain 106 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: areas of Arabia. During the Middle Ages, it was most 107 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: commonly prescribed to fix stomach issues, but also as a 108 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: sedative for kidney stones, eye disorders, skin disorders, and for 109 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: surgeries as part of the dressing, similar to the Egyptians, 110 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: and this is one of my favorites. In Germany, women 111 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: used honey mixed with crushed bees for beauty and strength 112 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and also to regulate their mistrual cycle. And my only 113 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: response to this in the notes was just a huge 114 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: like like sad, crying face things. I was just like, 115 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: what the wife, why do you crush bees? And then 116 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: consume that that really doesn't sound like a good data me. 117 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, no, but if your menstrual cycle is 118 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: bad enough, I can understand. Sure, you can try anything. Yeah, 119 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: you'll never know until the dry During World War One, 120 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: the wounds of Russian soldiers were often treated with honey, 121 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: both to prevent infection and to speed up healing. And uh, 122 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: if you remember the mad honey from the last episode, 123 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Lauren found this factor. Oh yeah, it's it's difficult to 124 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: tell exactly how far back the tradition goes, but in 125 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: Turkey some people take mad honey as a medicine to 126 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: treat things like hypertension, diabetes, stomach issues, and sexual dysfunction. Um. 127 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Also in Nepal, the Gurdon people use mad honey to 128 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: treat joint pain and to get high. Um. They've they've 129 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: been doing both of those things for centuries. Okay, I 130 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. And has minld mild hallucinogenic properties. Yeah. Well, okay, 131 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: it's part of why it's so easy to you know, 132 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: kill enemy soldiers when you've given them mad honey. Right, 133 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. Um. And some Eastern cultures still 134 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: use honey medicine to this day. Uh. And in the 135 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,239 Speaker 1: West even the idea is becoming popular again to derma sciences, 136 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: manufacturer of medical devices, has started selling bandages coated with 137 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: honey worldwide called all caps Meta honey, Meta honey, not 138 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: M E T A M E d I Meta. Just 139 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to clarify meta honey, so it's not some 140 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: weird like breaking the fourth wall. Honey. Yes, A couple 141 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: of recent studies have shown that a low exposure of 142 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: honey can kill some strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria. In 143 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: the World Health Organization I found this interesting, recommends honey 144 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: as a cough for remody, even in children over one 145 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: year of age, going so far as to say there's 146 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: no evidence cossert works any better than honey. It says 147 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: that like a government document, okay, saying uh and yeah. 148 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: As as I kind of mentioned at the top, honey 149 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: is also currently much touted on the internet as a 150 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: cosmetic skincare treatment. Yeah. So that's kind of a very 151 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: quick rundown of all this long history, kind of overwhelming 152 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: amount of history, really so much. Um. Yeah, that's that's 153 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: the that's the cliff notes version, because we wanted to 154 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: spend most of this episode talking about how modern science 155 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: holds all of this up. Yeah, in amazing and strange ways. Um. 156 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: And we will get to some of those details after 157 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:54,239 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. 158 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this health thing for a minute. 159 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: What science modern science has to say about at it 160 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: um are probably several minutes, but not too in depth 161 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: because they're so so, so so much. Yeah. If you 162 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: happen to go on pub med, which which is a 163 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: database of of medical research papers and just type in honey, 164 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: it's just like, yep, we have something on that. We 165 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: have we have all of the somethings on that one. Um. 166 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: There's even a name for this API therapy. Did I 167 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: say that right? Yeah? Ay, API therapy, Yeah, totally. And 168 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: there are a few medical grade honeys that are sold 169 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: that have standardized levels of anti microbial properties. Umlike the 170 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: aforementioned meta honey. That's amazing yeah. UM. And for all 171 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: of those anti microbial reasons we discussed, honey does have 172 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: some pretty legit medicinal value. Yeah, see the first episode 173 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: for for those microbe related these should be enjoyed together. Um. 174 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: And to be clear, most of this stuff that we're 175 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: referring to um at least before this and in the 176 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: first part of this modern day section, is like referring 177 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: to when honey is applied externally. Yeah, because the stomach 178 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: breaks it down too quickly for it to do much 179 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: in the anti microbiol arena and ingested Um. Yeah, it's 180 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: been found to inhibit the growth of sixty bacteria species 181 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and is still effective even when diluted up to nine times. Yeah. 182 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: Clinical observation has shown that honey can reduce inflammation and 183 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: it can help speed up the body's immune response to 184 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: a wound, with FAKEO sites being activated with honey exposure 185 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: as low as point one percent. Yeah, that's not much. No, 186 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: that's so small. And a two thousand seven study found 187 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: that honey doesn't lead to antibiotic resistance antibiotic resistant bacteria, 188 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: so you can keep administering it, which is huge, super 189 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: huge because because a rise of superbugs. It's probably a 190 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: thing that you've heard about, and it's really terrifying. Um. 191 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: And we we don't we don't want to keep producing 192 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: bacteria that are like ha ha, your medicine means nothing 193 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: to me, because that's really bad. Yeah. And I read 194 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: briefly that there's a problem with India's honey supply because 195 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: they're putting antibiotics in the honey and it's like messing 196 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: the whole thing up. And it's not just India either. 197 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: It's like countries will import because businesses can fill import 198 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: honey with antibiotics, and it it's a big problem. Apparently noted. 199 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Part of the reason for honeys antibacterial mojo is due 200 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: to something called osmolarity, which simplify definition, is the concentration 201 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: of the solution, like how much is dissolved in a 202 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: particular amount of water. Okay, yeah, um. A lot of 203 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: times in nature things are trying to equal out in 204 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: a process called osmosis. And this is why honey suffocates bacteria. 205 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: Because it has so little water in its composition, it 206 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: draws the water out of the bacteria and kills it, 207 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: which is again something that we talked about in the 208 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: former episode. Right, honey retains its property even when diluted 209 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: down like two, which means it could possibly maybe still 210 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: work some of its antibacterial magic while in the stomach, um, 211 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: like helping out with stuff like diarrhea or any out 212 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: of wag gut bacteria. Maybe maybe, Yeah, a little bit 213 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: more about the internal stuff later. Um. But there's also 214 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: the fact that lots of honeys contain hydrogen peroxide as 215 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: a natural byproduct of the action of one of the 216 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: enzymes that bees in part during the honeymaking process. That 217 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: that enzyme is glucose oxidase, and hydrogen peroxide of course, 218 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: kills things like bacteria. However, even honeys that do not 219 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: contain hydrogen peroxide can have anti microbial properties. Of course. 220 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: Of course, bees also deposit a protein in honey discovered 221 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: and named defense in one I love It, which which 222 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: researchers think adds to to honey's antibacterial properties. Yes, and 223 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: honey may provide some resistance against E. Coli, MERSA, and salmonella. 224 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: And this is like so important or it could potentially 225 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: be so important because of what like we said earlier 226 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: that increasing back to your resistance to traditional antibiotics. And 227 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: honey might also have some anti fungal abilities. Studies fine 228 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: honey effective against things like ringworm and athletes foot Okay, 229 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: so like home treatment for athletes foot right, maybe put 230 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: some honey on it. Maybe maybe there's in there. There's 231 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: a disclaimer about this in a minute. Honey does genuinely 232 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: help with burns and other skin wounds, in part because 233 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: it helps keep the wound moist, which allows your immune 234 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: system to to better do its thing. Um. Furthermore, it's 235 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: viscosity helps form a protective barrier over the wound, and 236 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: some honeys stimulate the cells in your immune system that 237 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: are responsible for creating macrophages, which are what eat harmful 238 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: bacteria in your body. UM, and honey may simultaneously regulate 239 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: the action of those macrophages so that they don't just 240 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: go nuts and attack your own healing cells during the process, 241 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: which is a pretty common thing, and it's it's part 242 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: of what causes inflammation in a wound. In some cases, 243 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: honey applied to wounds has been observed to reduce that inflammation. 244 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: And here goes disclaimer. Fun disclaimer. This does not mean 245 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: that you should definitely go slather your next flesh wounded honey. No, 246 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: these findings are in laboratory settings or under close medical supervision. Furthermore, 247 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: honey is a is a natural product that naturally varies 248 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: in its content. Like it's it's makeup is going to 249 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: be different due to the season and the bees and 250 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: the pollen and the manufacturer and all kinds of other things, 251 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: so uh so use it at your own risk. Yes, um, 252 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: just be mindful. He's a good judgment. Be mindful. I 253 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: didn't even realize sorry the first plant of the episode, 254 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and we made it pretty far, so we did. I 255 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: feel good about that. Um. Researchers were able to show 256 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: that honey was as effect of treating inflammatory model colitis 257 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: as the typically prescribed pregnant z alone. Yes, pregnanz alone. Yes, 258 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: that is what I'm going to continue saying whether it 259 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: is correct or not. Let me know if I'm wrong. 260 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: And this is one area where ingesting honey does in 261 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: fact seem to help. Because okay, Uh, colitis can cause 262 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: inflammation in your digestive tract, which is bad. Uh. Pregn 263 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: z alone works well to fight it because it suppresses 264 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: your immune system, uh, which is unhelpfully attacking your digestive 265 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: tract to see above re macrophages UM, and this causes 266 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: and or worsens the inflammation in your gut. Just calm down, 267 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: immune system, geez, like what like chill if I only 268 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: talk like like hey, like everything's gonna be fine. Um. 269 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: But okay, as you can probably guess, suppressing your immune 270 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: system with more than just calming words can lead to 271 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: a whole other host of problems, especially if you're doing 272 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: it in the long term, you kind of want your 273 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: immune system to generally work to generally work. Um. But 274 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: as we said, honey may have those anti inflammatory properties, 275 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: and similar to how it works on external wounds, it 276 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: may help stimulate the repair of damaged intestinal tissue when 277 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: taken internally, and there are other internal applications. A couple 278 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: of studies have found that honey is effective at treating 279 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: diarrhea and back to your gastro enteritis, not the viral one, 280 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: when offered as part of a rehydration treatment instead of glucose. 281 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: And just to remind you this, this is a medical 282 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: application that was recommended by the prophet Muhamma. Guys. Yeah, 283 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: it comes full. It's this is ah, this is so nuts. 284 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: Honey is amazing m H. Priori. The bacteria behind ulcers 285 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: has shown in a few studies to be susceptible to 286 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: honeys inhibitory properties as well, and honey may contain antioxidants 287 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: like flavonoids, which are substances that may help prevent certain 288 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: diseases like cancer under particular circumstances. Oh Man. And and 289 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: there's also some very preliminary research being done looking into 290 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: honey's potential benefits for cardiovascular health, which has been demonstrated 291 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: in vitro and in preventing the proliferation of bladder cancer 292 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: cells in specific. And that's not all. No, I feel 293 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: like we could sell honey cognitive and brain function. Some 294 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: honeys have small amounts of coline and acidal cloline which 295 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: may help in brain function. Seriously, you guys, it goes 296 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: on and on their studies linking honey to faster healing 297 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: of burns, treatment of genital hertpies, lower glycemic index for diabetics, eggs, 298 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: and the reduction dan drive production. Oh man, but remember 299 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: there is no miracle food or cure. No. Honey may 300 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: help with these things some of these things in some cases, 301 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: but it's complicated. Use good judgment, do your research, and 302 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: also probably talk to a doctor if you're going to 303 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: leave said yeah, I mean like, like, okay, like eating 304 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: honey where you would usually eat table sugar certainly isn't 305 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: going to hurt, right, But I mean, like, don't just 306 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: start adding it like willy nilly to all your food, um, 307 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: because you know, remember to watch your overall sugar intake. 308 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: As we discussed at length UM in our sugar and 309 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: your you you should sugar into your health episode. That's 310 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: the one that's the title, right, And we actually kind 311 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: of need to ask the question, is honey better for 312 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: you than secross table sugar if you like me? Your 313 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: knee jerk response was yes, well, of course it's made 314 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: by bees, and bees know what they're doing, right. And 315 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: I ran across an article that was kind of anti honey. 316 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Wasn't written by the sugar industry. Good question, now, it 317 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: was from It was from a newspaper in Israel, I believe, 318 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: but um, I guess anti honey is too strong. It 319 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: was very skeptic, very very skept that's good. I appreciate 320 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: a good skepticism. I do too, um. And the researchers 321 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: asked this question because there hasn't been a direct study 322 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: on this, But again going back to our sugar episode, 323 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: how that potential badness and terribleness of sugar, it's probably 324 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: a safe bet that honey is better for you. But 325 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: the study that they cited in this newspaper I found 326 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: was out of New Zealand, and rats were fed either 327 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: sucross honey, mixed sugar and honey, or no sugar at all, 328 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: and food intake and weight were measured weekly. At the 329 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: end of the study, the honey fed rats had gained 330 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: way less weight than the ones eating the sugar are 331 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: mixed sugar, even though they ate about the same amount. 332 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: And the weight of the honey fed rats and sugar 333 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: free rats was about the same, and the honey fed 334 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: rats ate more compared to the sugar free rats. Huh, 335 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: but weight doesn't necessarily equal health. Nope, but just for 336 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: what's what it's worth. Yeah, that's interesting. Um. And another 337 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: thing that honey is often touted as being able to 338 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: do is help with allergies. Local honey and specific right, 339 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: it's recommended as an allergic cure. And I have a 340 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: friend who swears by this, and and the the idea 341 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: here is that local bees pick up the very kinds 342 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: of pollen that you run into outside and transfer some 343 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: of that pollen to their honey, and therefore, by ingesting 344 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: that pollen laden honey, you you build up to you 345 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: build up a resistance to that pollen. Um. It's the 346 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: same concept that goes into allergy shots or you know, 347 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: I okaine powder in the Princess spread. Yes, so happy 348 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: the Princess fried made into this episode. Um. But science 349 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: doesn't really find this to be the case. Unfortunately. Study 350 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: from University of Connecticut Health Center conducted UH had three 351 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: groups of allergy havers, one group taking a tablespoon of 352 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: local hunting, the other a tablespoon of corn syrup placebo, 353 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: and the third taking a tablespoon of commercial honey okay, 354 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: And they did this every day for several months, and 355 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: they found pretty much no difference. Um. Perhaps it is 356 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: helping with symptoms like coughing or a sore throat if 357 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: you have that going on. Maybe maybe um. And the 358 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: problem with this concept is that the types of pollen 359 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: that bees are the most likely to come into contact 360 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: with UH. That is that the pollen of bright flowers 361 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: and of fruiting trees is not what most people with 362 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: seasonal allergies have reactions to. People mostly have reactions to 363 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: to other and grass pollens. Also, Hey shout out to 364 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: slate dot com for penning the headline on an article 365 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: about this, um, honey bunches of lies. Good job, kudos. 366 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some more terrible things about honey. Let's 367 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: let's talk about the dark side of honey. Yeah. But 368 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: but before we do that, let's let's get a quick 369 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: word in from our sponsor again, and we're back. Thank 370 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: you sponsor. Yes, and we're about to talk about something 371 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: that I am pretty sure Lauren is very excited to 372 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: tell you all about. I am. We're going to talk 373 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: about botulis um. You guys, confetti balloons, noisemakers, Um, I get, 374 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: I get really excited about bacterial infection. Yeah, it's it's 375 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: really fascinating. Okay, um, honey induced botulism. Adults generally don't 376 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: need to worry about this one, but honey carrying the 377 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: bacteria that cause botulism is why you may have heard 378 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that you should never feed honey to babies under one 379 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: year of age. But wait, isn't honey supposed to be 380 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: anti bacterial? Well that's what I thought. Well, let's back 381 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: the truck up. Explain a little bit of botulism um. 382 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: It's an illness caused by a neurotoxin called batu linum, 383 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: which is excreted by a couple of strains of Bacteria um, 384 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: though most often by the bacteria Clastritium batu linum. And 385 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: these suckers are everywhere. They live in dirt and in 386 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: water bed sentiment and on plants and in some animal 387 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: intestines hanging out doing their thing, and their thing involves 388 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: the fact that they just happened to create one of 389 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: the most virulent neurotoxins known to humankind. Hm, why great question. 390 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I wish I knew sign swishes it knew as well? Um, 391 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: And can I can I go on a tangent to 392 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: my to my kind of bacterial tangent here? Because baculinum 393 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: is so cool? Is it? It's so cool? Okay, I 394 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: mean it's horrifying. Um. It prevents our nerves from stimulating 395 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: our muscles, which leads to weakness and in sphere cases, 396 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: to immobilization and thus death by respiratory paralysis. It's like 397 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: a really less entertaining version of the Joker's laughing toxin. 398 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: And it can be deadly in the magnitude of nanograms, 399 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: which is a billionth of a gram, which is like 400 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: a really small amount of narrow toxin um. But it's 401 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: also super useful in medicine. UM. Much diluted and very 402 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: carefully applied, it can help, for example, patients who have 403 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: overactive muscle conditions that affect their their mobility or their eyesight. UM. 404 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: And it's the working ingredient in botox. Wow, So if 405 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: you've ever known anyone who's gotten boto sucks. They got 406 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: some botulinum neurotoxin in their face. No, big, nope, all good. 407 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, lucky for us, closterdi and botulinum can't survive 408 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: when free oxygen like in the air is present. Unluckily 409 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: for us, when they're in an environment that has oxygen 410 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: like the air, they can concoon themselves in a sort 411 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: of spore shell casing thing that is pretty cool. Yeah, 412 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: they'll they'll lie dormant in this spore form until they 413 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: find themselves in an oxygen poor environment again, and then 414 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: they'll wake up and get back to their usual routine 415 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: of eating normal stuff and excreting horrible poison. You know, 416 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: as you do. Yeah, and bees sometimes pick up some 417 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: of these bacterious spores while they're out collecting nectar, and 418 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: the spores survive the honeymaking process. When we eat the honey, 419 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: as our bodies break it down, the spores are released 420 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: and find themselves in the lovely oxygen poor environment that 421 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: is our intestines. What a great review oxygen for I 422 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend it unless your then Yeah, then then you're 423 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: into it, right. Yeah. So adult humans immune systems and 424 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: and gut bacteria, like natural gut flora and fauna make 425 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: really quick work of clusterty and botulinum. They kill it 426 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: right off. But babies don't have all of that set 427 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: up yet, So don't feed honey to babies. By the way, 428 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: if you suspect a baby might have botulism, that is, 429 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: if the baby is lethargic and demons demonstrating markedly less 430 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: muscle control than usual, especially in the face and neck. Uh. 431 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: If he or she is having trouble latching and sucking 432 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: and swallowing, contact your doctor immediately. But the treatments that 433 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: they have these days have super excellent outcomes, so you know, 434 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: don't don't panic, just just definitely call a doctor. It 435 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: can be kind of intensive for a little bit there, 436 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: but but full recovery is expected in like percent of cases. Good. Yeah, 437 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: modern medical science. I love it. Also, um, if you're 438 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: an adult with a compromised immune system and you have 439 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: severely damaged gut flora due to a how use of 440 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: antibiotics or something like that, I might check with my 441 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: doctor about whether it's chilled to eat honey, just just 442 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: to be safe. Yeah. And going along with that, something 443 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: else I read is that people with commune systems or 444 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: cancer should only eat pasteurized honey. Oh yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, 445 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: that that'll that'll raise the temperature enough to to usually 446 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: kill off anything that you need to. And another thing 447 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: another dark side of honey. Ye, people do still get 448 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: mad honey disease. Yeah, yeah, which we talked about. That's 449 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: how honey was weaponized and past honey the bio weapon, right, amazing. 450 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: Mad honey is more common in raw a k a 451 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: unprocessed honey, and is more common too in New Zealand 452 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: thanks to the tootoo bush and the vine hopper insect. 453 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: Bees gather honey using the honey do method from the 454 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: vine hopper insects. Gross, cool, gross and cool. This introduces 455 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: the poison too tin to the honey. But since two 456 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: thousand one, beekeepers in New Zealand are required to monitor 457 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: what's going on within a two mile radius when it 458 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: comes to the tootoo bush and the vine hopper insects, well, 459 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: it's great. There was a case in two thousand eight 460 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: of of of mad honey disease. It involved a couple 461 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: who sought out mad honey near the Black Sea and 462 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: Turkey looking for its supposedly sex enhancing hallucinatory effects. Okay, um, 463 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whatever you want to get 464 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: up to, um, But the thing is, the honey's potency 465 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: is really hard to gauge, and so after consuming increasing 466 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: doses of it, they wound up in the hospital with 467 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: a heart attack like symptoms. Um, don't worry. They're fine. Okay, 468 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: there this. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're doing they're doing just fine. Um. 469 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: Just you know, if you're if you're going to eat 470 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: mad honey or other products containing the neurotoxin that makes 471 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: it work, um, garana toxin, if you're gonna do that 472 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: on purpose, take it easy. Maybe don't do it. Yeah, 473 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: under supervision, Yeah, take it. I don't know, I don't know. 474 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: Speaking to yourself. Yes, And and animals, mad honey disease 475 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: is often lethal and um, they usually get it pet 476 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: like pets or cattle from eating the toxic flowers. Yeah. 477 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: So reminder, if you have a pet that likes a 478 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: nice potted plant, note, always check up on the toxicity 479 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: of plants before you install them in your home. Yes. Um. 480 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: Europe has documented a few cases of honey contaminated with 481 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: antibiotics used in bee disease treatments, very intreated by that, 482 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: and some honeys might contain the poisonous pyrolysidine alkaloids, which 483 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: occurs in somewhere around three percent of flowering nectar plants, 484 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: but the rate in honey is probably higher because those 485 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: plants are used specifically for producing seed oil. They're not 486 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: good for your liver, Okay, yeah, terrible, And the best 487 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: way to avoid these alkaloids is to avoid consuming a 488 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: large quantity of honey from flowers you don't recognize are 489 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: those that have been known to contain these substances. Uh. 490 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: And this mostly applies if you're living in an area 491 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: where these plants are known to grow, which makes sense absolutely, yeah. Yeah, 492 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: if you're perhaps making your own honey, this is a 493 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: thing that you might want to watch out for for sure. 494 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: If you are making your own honey, right into us 495 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: and let us know, because I want pictures of your 496 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: bees and I want to hear how they're doing. And 497 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: you could do that every day and I would be 498 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: really interested to hear about Just an update would be wonderful. 499 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: And speaking of writing into us, that wraps up honey's 500 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: medicinal long history and it seems like future medicinal use. Yeah, 501 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: all of this research is ongoing. Um, I'm really looking 502 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: forward to seeing what people come up with, especially for 503 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: the for the antibacterial resistance kind of kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, 504 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: but yeah. It brings us to a listener male segment, 505 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: and there's only one today because we had so much 506 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: to say about Honey, and it just from Matthew, who 507 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: wrote in with Hi Lauren, Hi Annie, Hi Matthew. Um. 508 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I've been a huge fan of the two of you 509 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: and food stuff since the very first episode aired, or 510 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: just slightly every month, but every super fan start somewhere. Yeah. Um, 511 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I just finished your most excellent episode on yogurt and 512 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned the person that invented go gurt being a 513 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: college professor. It just so happens that I have taken 514 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: several courses taught by professor that talked a lot about 515 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: his involvement with the creation of a popular snack called, 516 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: wait for it, go gert. He never explicitly said that 517 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: he was the sole inventor of it, but if he wasn't, 518 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: he had a large hand in its creation. He told 519 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: us about some of the different designs that they tried 520 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: out before landing on the familiar tubes that we have now, 521 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: the different recipes that they went through to get the flavor, 522 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: consistency and shelf life that go Gert has, and even 523 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: the marketing process that made it so popular. He's not guy, 524 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: and it's one of my favorite professors that I had 525 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: during my time at Michigan State University. Go Green. Anyway, 526 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting and figured i'd share 527 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: with the two of you. Thanks for an informative and 528 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: entertaining podcast. I look forward to learning more stuffs about food, 529 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Matthew, that's awesome. Ah, that's 530 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: that's really fascinating. I want to I want to look 531 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: him up now. And yeah, about the marketing campaign, all 532 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: the experiments, I love that so much like science went 533 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: into this incredibly goofy two seconds devoured as a kid gone, 534 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: and that I mostly remember for for being combined with 535 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: with tricks in a in a marketing campaign like it 536 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: was like tricks flavored go gurt Oh yeah, yeah, I 537 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: forgot about that and it would have the swirl that Yeah. 538 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: So that brings us to the end of our episode, 539 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: and please feel free to write us if you know 540 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: any food inventors or just have general food thoughts or 541 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: from you, Yes, or have any episode subject requests, we 542 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: would love to hear them. You can get in touch 543 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: with us. Yes, we have an email address food stuff 544 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. We're also available on 545 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: popular social media channels on Twitter and Instagram. On Twitter 546 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: we are at food Stuff hs W that stands for 547 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works, and on Instagram we are just at 548 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: food stuff. Um, y'all are lovely and I've been hearing 549 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: we've We've just had such terrific experiences with you guys. Also, 550 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of you are apparently growing strawberries like I am, 551 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: which is which is really cool, man. I love strawberries. 552 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: If I can get any of them this year before 553 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: the rabbits eat them, I'll be super excited. Our fingers 554 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: are crossed for you, Lauren. Thank you, okay anyway, Yes, 555 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: we hope that we hear from you, and we hope 556 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: that many more good things are coming you away