Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to episode thirty three of the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: Here with Kelsey Ballerini and our sponsored blue apron and
Speaker 1: one hundred flowers. Thank you to those guys. Hello Kelsey, Hello,
Speaker 1: Do you know that the funny thing is I feel like,
Speaker 1: for the first timember, I actually researched you because I
Speaker 1: was like, what in the world is there about Kelsey
Speaker 1: that I didn't know? Because I was trying to find
Speaker 1: an angle with these I did actually did I've done
Speaker 1: something I did not know about you, And I'll get
Speaker 1: to it in a second. But it was weird because
Speaker 1: I mean, have we've known each other since? I mean
Speaker 1: I've been here really two and a half years? Probably? Yeah. Ever,
Speaker 1: I ain't funny, that's ever. But um so I started
Speaker 1: looking things up. I didn't know you were in college here.
Speaker 1: I had no idea for two years. So you moved
Speaker 1: out to Nashville at what age? Okay? So you move
Speaker 1: out here and your mom comes with you. My mom
Speaker 1: came with me. She got a job here from outside Knoxville.
Speaker 1: From Knoxville. Yeah, so you mean she gets a job here.
Speaker 1: What is it? You're a kid and you want to
Speaker 1: move to Nashville and be an artist, and she just
Speaker 1: moved and got a new job because of that. Well
Speaker 1: it's funny. I started writing when I was twelve loved it,
Speaker 1: but I danced for ten years and then gym like
Speaker 1: gymnastics and loved that too, And so I think I
Speaker 1: liked a lot of things. But um, I think mom
Speaker 1: kind of watched it go from like a hobby to
Speaker 1: a passion, something that I was really really committed to
Speaker 1: and not just doing in my spare time or whatever.
Speaker 1: And and so we started coming out here on the
Speaker 1: weekends and you know, whenever we could, and just meeting
Speaker 1: people and going to writers rounds and seeing what it
Speaker 1: was about. At twelve, I had my first demo session
Speaker 1: out here when I was like thirteen years old. People
Speaker 1: back then it was when you hire a bunch of
Speaker 1: studio musicians and you like have an engineer and they
Speaker 1: come in and you play them your song. I played
Speaker 1: it on gets are Um because I didn't have a
Speaker 1: recording of it, and they do the Nashville number system,
Speaker 1: write it all down, go in, play your song like
Speaker 1: two or three times down, and then go to the
Speaker 1: next song, and it kind of turns into this big
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like a record. So I did
Speaker 1: that when I was thirteen, um, and I mean was
Speaker 1: just like I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 1: And actually, random story, there was a guy named Eddie Bear.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a drum player, huge, amazing drum player,
Speaker 1: UM studio drummer. And I remember this guy the engineer
Speaker 1: was like, listen, like, these are really big studio musicians.
Speaker 1: They're probably not going to talk to you. They're going
Speaker 1: to go in and do what they do. You know,
Speaker 1: they probably have three of these book today, four of
Speaker 1: them book today. And so I remember being super intimidated,
Speaker 1: but like really excited. There's three songs that written by
Speaker 1: myself and they go in do their things. Sounds incredible.
Speaker 1: And afterwards Eddie Bear comes up to me. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: who did you write these songs with? And was like,
Speaker 1: I wrote him by myself, and I just remember you
Speaker 1: looked at me. He was like keep doing what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and he walked out. And I'll never forget it because
Speaker 1: I just was ready for no one to talk to me,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he talked to me and he
Speaker 1: validated my songwriting was like the coolest thing ever to me.
Speaker 1: And then I started playing the opery and he's now
Speaker 1: often the operaate drum player and you and I know
Speaker 1: from playing the opera too. I played it a couple
Speaker 1: of times ago, but you've told him the story to
Speaker 1: have you remembered me? Do you remember me? He wasn't
Speaker 1: there for my debut, but he was there the second
Speaker 1: time and I walked up to him. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you remember me? He's like, remind me? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like thirteen years old and I had these songs,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I do remember you. You're with
Speaker 1: your mom. And I was like, did you tell him though?
Speaker 1: What he meant to you with those few words passing?
Speaker 1: He probably doesn't remember. I did tell him absolutely, because
Speaker 1: when you're like, when you're starting out, any bit of
Speaker 1: just like validation is I mean, it's worth a lot.
Speaker 1: Does that affect you now when you talked to new
Speaker 1: artists too, and you realize that a single sentence can
Speaker 1: change really the life? Yeah, anyone. Yeah. I'm super careful
Speaker 1: about what I say, and especially like the the outlook
Speaker 1: I give on the music industry because so many people
Speaker 1: are just like a little bitter, you know, a little grumpy,
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to not be like that.
Speaker 1: What is your outlook on the music industry. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard. That's I think a fair thing for anyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, on any side of it. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: even think that, But I think that the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that I've learned is just putting the people around you
Speaker 1: that are going to make it enjoyable, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like the four a m. Wake up call
Speaker 1: is the work part, not the on stage part, not
Speaker 1: the studio part. You know, that's the fun part. The
Speaker 1: work part is just like the crazy travel or the
Speaker 1: being tired every now and again. Um that's the hard part.
Speaker 1: Back to you going to college here, what you got?
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So you're here, you're living here? Did
Speaker 1: you home school for high school? Oh? I went to
Speaker 1: high school. She went to public high school. I went
Speaker 1: to a new high school junior and senior year. It
Speaker 1: was terrible. And so because again you're new and you're new,
Speaker 1: and I was in Williamson County where everyone's like really
Speaker 1: cool and um my, the high school had uniforms. So
Speaker 1: you go to this school. Are there other artists kids
Speaker 1: there now that you look back at the time, or no,
Speaker 1: there were no other artist kids. But there were a
Speaker 1: bunch of people that wanted to be singers. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of us. Did any of them make it
Speaker 1: out that you know that? It's still kicking around town.
Speaker 1: There's one girl, she was signed to Sony. Her name
Speaker 1: is Jordan shell Heart. We were actually friends and um,
Speaker 1: we are friends and I wrote a song on my
Speaker 1: album with there called second Hand Smoke. She's like stupid talented,
Speaker 1: So you have to high school with Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: to high school with her. That's yeah, um, and she's
Speaker 1: like she's incredible, she's writing. Still you finished high school
Speaker 1: where you smart kids or no? Yeah? So grades wise, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a smart kid. So you decided to go to
Speaker 1: I went to It was weird. I when I moved
Speaker 1: high school got really hard for me socially, just because
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a singer and that's why I
Speaker 1: moved here. So I was really kind of fixed on that.
Speaker 1: But grades were really important to me. I was kind
Speaker 1: of nerdy and so, um. I ended up dual rolling
Speaker 1: into college my senior year, and so I would go
Speaker 1: to high school till before lunchtime and then everyone go
Speaker 1: to lunch and I go to college. So in your
Speaker 1: mind you're going to college to do what I didn't
Speaker 1: really know. I took a lot of classes in like
Speaker 1: communications and marketing because I kind of felt like it
Speaker 1: would help me if I got to do music, um
Speaker 1: and be an artist, and so that was kind of
Speaker 1: what I did. And then I just did like Janette
Speaker 1: so I could. I made this deal with my mom
Speaker 1: when I moved to Nashville, and she was like, you
Speaker 1: have to stay in school until you can make some
Speaker 1: sort of a living out of music. So I just
Speaker 1: kept doing it. So you go until win not what year,
Speaker 1: but until what level of college. UM. I left after
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, so halfway. How difficult was it for
Speaker 1: you to stop one to college? Not difficult? It wasn't.
Speaker 1: So it was well, I was super ready, like you
Speaker 1: you found your calling and like you were able to
Speaker 1: just kind of go, okay, is it. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go. I was really I really fought
Speaker 1: my mom on going to college. UM. Hindsight, I'm really
Speaker 1: glad I did, not just for like the education part
Speaker 1: of it, which I'm sure I learned a lot, but
Speaker 1: just for the life part of it. I feel like
Speaker 1: I needed to grow up a bit. I thought I
Speaker 1: was ready when I wasn't. And did you move to
Speaker 1: because you're talking about a close school, did you move
Speaker 1: onto campus or do you still have it home with
Speaker 1: your mom? So my mom was in Franklin the first
Speaker 1: year I lived with my mom, and I had classes
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Thursday just like sun up to sundown. And
Speaker 1: then Monday, Wednesday Friday we're my music days. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of venture around do whatever on those days. So, okay,
Speaker 1: sophomore year, you're gonna quit school. It doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: it was a difficult decision because you found what you
Speaker 1: wanted to do, but that means you're able to make
Speaker 1: a living. So sophomore year I did. I lived on campus,
Speaker 1: did my whole year there. Um, And I mean I
Speaker 1: took how many credits can you take? I forget now.
Speaker 1: I think I took like twenty eight credits. So I
Speaker 1: was like super busy and was still doing music. Um,
Speaker 1: it was super exhausted. My mom could see that, and
Speaker 1: I was really trying to make it work. And then
Speaker 1: I got offered a publishing deal. And so what publish
Speaker 1: you is you go when you write not just for you,
Speaker 1: and you weren't writing for you. It wasn't the artist deal.
Speaker 1: You were just writing songs, and so they pay you
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, a little bit, a little
Speaker 1: bit of money, and you write songs and you hope
Speaker 1: that a song gets picked up by an artist, that
Speaker 1: you make money. You pay back all the money first
Speaker 1: because the money is an advance, it's a loan back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you want to make more than that after
Speaker 1: because that's what you actually make. Yeah, So that's your goal. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're writing songs that Did you write any songs
Speaker 1: that any of the artists picked up? No? Never did
Speaker 1: you ever feel like, man, these people that are paying
Speaker 1: me to write, which, by the way, is your label,
Speaker 1: Black River, you feel like, man, maybe they're kind of
Speaker 1: losing faith in me because I have no songs. No,
Speaker 1: Because I was really upfront about wanting to be an artist,
Speaker 1: and I was fine with like doing it in two
Speaker 1: different steps, um, because I knew that I probably needed
Speaker 1: to develop a bit before I was ready to do
Speaker 1: an artist deal. But that was my that was my
Speaker 1: end goal. Um. And so they even structured my publishing
Speaker 1: deal to it was kind of like, all right, if
Speaker 1: you get a cut on another artist, this is your percentage. Whatever.
Speaker 1: But if you are an artist and you cut one
Speaker 1: of your own songs, you get co pub this is
Speaker 1: you know what you get on this? So did they
Speaker 1: feel like you were writing for you? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I think that? I don't even I think I was
Speaker 1: writing for both, because I have songs that I wrote
Speaker 1: in that time, and even now that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love this song, it's just not for me. Um. But
Speaker 1: I think once we wrote love Me, that was really
Speaker 1: the first song that when we wrote that, we were like,
Speaker 1: this is like we're on something and we don't know
Speaker 1: what yet. This might be me um. And then we
Speaker 1: ended up writing like Peter Pan and all that, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of when the record deal happened. We'll get
Speaker 1: to the songs in the second when you walk to
Speaker 1: I have six people on my wall that if they
Speaker 1: called me, I would be like, what good or bad?
Speaker 1: Good times, bad times, middle times? I would be like
Speaker 1: that makes me happy, whatever you need and and and
Speaker 1: I think four of the six have now come in.
Speaker 1: Jansen has been in, Eric Passley has been in. Maren
Speaker 1: came in a couple of weeks ago. You're up on
Speaker 1: the wall. You're probably the first, the first of all
Speaker 1: of those and then Keith and all a little big town.
Speaker 1: I don't have microphones for a little big down I have, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I have a wall of Philip's the talker anyways, right,
Speaker 1: just give it to Philip. Yeah, they all have they
Speaker 1: all have their moments. But that's that's my like my
Speaker 1: wall of you know, if ever you need something, those
Speaker 1: are like the six people that I would be like,
Speaker 1: you need a kidney or whatever. So you're on the wall.
Speaker 1: There's your face and there's that. That's a really terrible
Speaker 1: picture as well. Um, you do look like one of
Speaker 1: those kids on those shows here in the headlights. Well
Speaker 1: you know those like those those kids that are like
Speaker 1: eight but their mom puts tons of makeup on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are those called? Because you're obviously really young in
Speaker 1: that it's for love? I was, I mean, was I
Speaker 1: twenty maybe whatever it is, had a baby face for
Speaker 1: a long time. I think it's not like your forty
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like I aged a lot. You've definitely,
Speaker 1: MA sure a lot in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Ye tell me about this here, So you're talking about
Speaker 1: writing the song. Yeah, where are you talking about? The room?
Speaker 1: Who's in the room? This was such a random mistake song. Um,
Speaker 1: that wasn't a mistake we had. We were writing at
Speaker 1: Black River. I was writing with um Josh Kerr that
Speaker 1: day and um, Forest was writing with a guy named
Speaker 1: Lance Carpenter that day. Um. And so we all get
Speaker 1: done with our rights and we're like, hey, should we
Speaker 1: try to all write together? Like we're all kind of
Speaker 1: so you wrote separately, and they came together on this one.
Speaker 1: It was our second song of the day and UM, yeah,
Speaker 1: So we got together and we ordered soul Shine and
Speaker 1: we just kind of pizza. Yeah. Um, and we kind
Speaker 1: of just posted up in like the the big lobby
Speaker 1: area of the label, um, the upstairs by the fireplace,
Speaker 1: you know. Um and so yeah, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of no pressure and we were sitting there, we were
Speaker 1: catching up. We all we didn't really get a lot
Speaker 1: of time together and um yeah, we're just talking, hanging
Speaker 1: out and I think the first thing that came out, well,
Speaker 1: Forest actually who ended up producing the whole record. Um,
Speaker 1: he's like my musical partner. He's just that person for
Speaker 1: me that I feel like it's my better half and
Speaker 1: has really become that. And especially now even working on
Speaker 1: the next record, is that even more so but um,
Speaker 1: he was like, Hey, we're listening to Take a Bow
Speaker 1: by Rihanna. I love pop music, and so we're listening
Speaker 1: to that song and he was like, I really feel
Speaker 1: like you should try to to do like that swag
Speaker 1: that she does how she kind of like laughs after
Speaker 1: she says a sassy lion all that stuff. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I just don't know if I can pull
Speaker 1: that off. You know, I didn't know because I was
Speaker 1: I mean, I was nineteen at the time, maybe and
Speaker 1: I don't know, just insecure an awkward and UM. So
Speaker 1: he's like, let's just try it. And he started playing
Speaker 1: the debt but a Dead Dada on the guitar and
Speaker 1: and then we were all kind of like that if
Speaker 1: you're gonna, don't know if you're gonna. We just loved
Speaker 1: that done on a kind of melodic thing and um,
Speaker 1: and then we literally just wrote it like thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't think we really thought anything of
Speaker 1: it other than it was fun. But the moment for
Speaker 1: me that I remember was Forest did a demo for it, um,
Speaker 1: and I sang the demo. So he did like a
Speaker 1: basic track like guitar beat. I sang it like the
Speaker 1: next day, and then he did a demo for it,
Speaker 1: like built around my vocal and said it to me,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a week and a half later, and
Speaker 1: I remember putting on my headphones listening to this demo,
Speaker 1: being like, that's special. And I don't know why, because
Speaker 1: it's not lyrically genius or anything, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: special to me. And um in the label felt the
Speaker 1: same way about it. So and it got pitched around
Speaker 1: town to which I didn't know till later. So they
Speaker 1: were trying to give the song to some other people.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that because I wasn't signed yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um as you weren't okay, good, This is all
Speaker 1: putting it into it to a place now. You weren't
Speaker 1: signed as an artist when you wrote this song. It's
Speaker 1: fair than they pitch it. Yeah, well yeah, yeah to you,
Speaker 1: it may not feel fair, but I was so up. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is the first one. I get it completely, But
Speaker 1: looking at everyone thought it was way too pop. And
Speaker 1: I think, and this is a kind of a weird
Speaker 1: place for you right now, and so I'm really anxious
Speaker 1: and listen, I've heard some of your You've sent me
Speaker 1: some stuff on your second album and I'm exous for
Speaker 1: it to come out because it's going to paint a
Speaker 1: new you, because what what's happened with you as you
Speaker 1: created this new niche in the format and now a bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think you're being penalized
Speaker 1: for it. But I think this is your one record
Speaker 1: and it got so big that people only know you
Speaker 1: as the pop country girl. So now it's your goal
Speaker 1: and this is just me talking, and it's your goal
Speaker 1: with the second record to show your depth. Do you
Speaker 1: feel that, Yes, I think that just talking super honestly,
Speaker 1: like I think that this first record, it was really
Speaker 1: heavily embraced by radio, which was really epic. But I
Speaker 1: think in doing that the industry absolutely it made you
Speaker 1: not cool. It made me really not cool, and so
Speaker 1: it was awesome because I was like radio's girl, which
Speaker 1: I love, and I mean I did a twenty two
Speaker 1: week radio tour. I mean like that means for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, she's going to morning shows and radio
Speaker 1: stations at five in the morning and singing and it's
Speaker 1: miserable and it is and you're dealing. It's just and
Speaker 1: you're going city to city the little station a little
Speaker 1: station every single day doing the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Yeah, and it and
Speaker 1: it it's it's paid off and it's been amazing and
Speaker 1: that relationship has been amazing. But I think in in
Speaker 1: that happening how it did, it made Nashville kind of
Speaker 1: be like, but what a place to be because you're right,
Speaker 1: you put out this record and it it breaks records
Speaker 1: and sets new standards and here you are, You're all
Speaker 1: over all over TV. But you know how industry snooty
Speaker 1: can be. So to the industry like they you know,
Speaker 1: you're not that cool, but everybody in the world you're
Speaker 1: the coolest thing ever. And it's a weird dynamic because
Speaker 1: you're blowing up. But then the people that are at home,
Speaker 1: you're like that you want to to like be like,
Speaker 1: oh kelcy um. So you're like, oh, they don't think
Speaker 1: I'm cool because my song sound poppy. It was. It's
Speaker 1: a huge and security of mine. Yeah, And and the
Speaker 1: thing for me like my biggest goal right now, and
Speaker 1: like I'm in Nashville right now, like I have two
Speaker 1: and a half weeks to finish my record essentially, and
Speaker 1: I'm writing twice a day. I'm writing after this I
Speaker 1: wrote this morning, like I'm just like trying to drain
Speaker 1: myself of that because if anything, like, I just want
Speaker 1: people to know I'm a songwriter on this next album.
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing to me. And what's funny.
Speaker 1: You're such a long writer, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: used to play yourself and I know, and we would
Speaker 1: drive for hours and hours and hours and you would
Speaker 1: play songs, and you're very much a songwriter. But I
Speaker 1: saw it as it was happening, and as you were exploding.
Speaker 1: I saw you exploding in one way and becoming industry
Speaker 1: less cool at the same time. And it's such a
Speaker 1: weird anomaly. It's so weird, like the bigger you got
Speaker 1: but you screw them, because I'm gonna tell you in
Speaker 1: a sort of way that that's happened to me too,
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know what, I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: me and that's really all you can be. It's yes,
Speaker 1: it's Carrie, Carrie her Khalil line. This sounds so lame,
Speaker 1: but her trademark or whatever is stay the path, Stay
Speaker 1: your path. And I'm like, I always have to tell
Speaker 1: myself that because I'm always comparing myself to every other
Speaker 1: chick artists, and I'm like, dude, just like do what
Speaker 1: you're doing. But you know, it's funny every chick artist
Speaker 1: compare themselves to you now and you probably don't feel
Speaker 1: that way, but they do. And I and I get
Speaker 1: to talk to a lot of them. They all are like, man,
Speaker 1: I just really want to do what Kelsey does. And
Speaker 1: you are that. You're the next You're the first of
Speaker 1: the next wave. And that's it's pressure too. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure too, because you have to put out
Speaker 1: a second record and the next record that you really do.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure. But the good thing for
Speaker 1: you is you also you create your content. You're not
Speaker 1: just not picking and and that's a and that's a
Speaker 1: different skill sell setting itself. But you're right, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't. Yeah, So you can actually create
Speaker 1: your own path, which even if you lose, if you're
Speaker 1: creating your own path, at least you lose at least
Speaker 1: you lose. By creating, you don't have to get someone
Speaker 1: else's boat and sink. You get to build your own
Speaker 1: boat and sink. And there's so much more into that
Speaker 1: than it is just falling with it. So um, love
Speaker 1: me comes out yeah, love it comes out wonderful song.
Speaker 1: Who picks it? By the way, like when it was
Speaker 1: across the board, we just knew we we had a meeting,
Speaker 1: just I think for the sake of having a meeting. Um,
Speaker 1: and we all sat around and I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I had management at the time. I don't think
Speaker 1: I had management. Yet you didn't because your management I
Speaker 1: remember meeting you're now manager in St. Louis when he
Speaker 1: came to one of our Yes, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have management. It was just me in
Speaker 1: my label and we all which is not a good
Speaker 1: place to be, by the way, you want to always
Speaker 1: have someone there. But again, you pick a good song,
Speaker 1: good to go. Yeah, And so we listened to three songs.
Speaker 1: We had a song call looking at Stars the first
Speaker 1: time and I love me and listen to all three
Speaker 1: and then we all went around the table and voted
Speaker 1: and everyone said love me and and then I guess
Speaker 1: they already knew that was going to happen. So then
Speaker 1: we they had all these like cool bracelets made that
Speaker 1: said let me like you meet it on UM. It
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Speaker 1: about your second single. So DIBs comes out, and how
Speaker 1: did that one get picked? Did you go into a
Speaker 1: meeting a vote but they already had like a bunch
Speaker 1: of DIBs hats. You know, it's funny. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't even really remember having a meeting about Dibbs. I think, yeah, UM,
Speaker 1: when I when I did my radio tour, we played
Speaker 1: three songs acoustic every station visit, and it was loved Me, Dibbs,
Speaker 1: and Peter Pan. So I think we always knew that
Speaker 1: those were three um, and we knew that we needed
Speaker 1: to be really careful on Peter Pan. And I think
Speaker 1: that love Me set us up to kind of do
Speaker 1: something and we didn't know what it was yet, but
Speaker 1: I think that we needed to re establish that sound
Speaker 1: before we changed it. I think that was our our
Speaker 1: theory with that, because Love Me was such a left
Speaker 1: of center song sonically, and Dibbs kind of had that
Speaker 1: same tempo, that same feel um And a lot of
Speaker 1: people will criticize that and said it was the same song,
Speaker 1: and in some ways it kind it is. But you
Speaker 1: know what's weird and you say that, I'm gonna just say, okay,
Speaker 1: it had the same field. It was left of center.
Speaker 1: You said at the time it was and now it's not,
Speaker 1: and now it's not. Yeah, absolutely like and all of
Speaker 1: these are artists that end up making it in pop
Speaker 1: and not in pop. They make it because they pop,
Speaker 1: it's because what they were doing was left of center
Speaker 1: at the time. I talked to Sam Hut today and
Speaker 1: Sam and I have become oddly friendly. Youer than just
Speaker 1: than no, not not romantically, but but more than just
Speaker 1: a radio host and an artist because like me, Sam
Speaker 1: is very like like if we're not on, we're not on,
Speaker 1: and we we like our time to write, and like
Speaker 1: I'll send my room before hours just right, jokes are right,
Speaker 1: are working on the book and so but we were
Speaker 1: talking today and I was like, just for a second, like,
Speaker 1: think about everybody that told you that your sound was
Speaker 1: not going to work, and he was like most people
Speaker 1: to even my own people told me it wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: work because it was so left center. But he's like,
Speaker 1: it was it was what I wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna go down with my own thoughts. And
Speaker 1: so as you say left the center, now you've created
Speaker 1: it in the middle, like you were the one that
Speaker 1: made this the middle sound. It's cool to think about
Speaker 1: you're the one that I mean I can like Lauren
Speaker 1: a great friend of mine, Laura Lena, like she's able
Speaker 1: to put out that song because I've loved me like
Speaker 1: you mean it. Bro Let's travel is able to come
Speaker 1: out because I loved me like you mean it. I
Speaker 1: saw her well. I I saw a clip of her
Speaker 1: singing Peter pan Careoki the other day and I thought
Speaker 1: it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. By the way, No,
Speaker 1: Laura Lena does not get the credit she deserved for
Speaker 1: being one of the best singers in town periods, dumb
Speaker 1: period now. And I was like, please don't actually sing
Speaker 1: that song because no one's gonna want me to sing
Speaker 1: it anymore. So she's so good and she's also a
Speaker 1: really a good songwriter, and you don't and I oddly
Speaker 1: have and because I you know, my kids music and
Speaker 1: comedy music, and she's quick man, and Lauren's been into
Speaker 1: before and it's just a great person. So but you
Speaker 1: just saying left the center put me on that. It's
Speaker 1: not even more. You've made it middle and so now,
Speaker 1: but what you're gonna do, because you're gonna take another
Speaker 1: sound and go left again with this next record, because
Speaker 1: one you can have the ability to, and too, you
Speaker 1: have to have to. And so okay, so Dives comes out,
Speaker 1: it goes number one, which was doesn't give me the surprise.
Speaker 1: If it really wasn't a surprise, well, listen, this is
Speaker 1: what happened. So it was a really tough song. Dives
Speaker 1: was our toughest song because radio liked it and during
Speaker 1: radio tour they were like, is this gonna be a
Speaker 1: single or like yeah, we think it'll be second, but um,
Speaker 1: it didn't sell well really and um, and then when
Speaker 1: it got up to the top like five, which we
Speaker 1: were stoked about because we didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: gonna happen because it got stuck in the thirties for
Speaker 1: a while. Um, it got up to the top five,
Speaker 1: and Granger had just gone number one with on the
Speaker 1: Verge and he was pushing for a second week, and
Speaker 1: it was the week that we were trying to push
Speaker 1: for number one, and it went down to the very
Speaker 1: last hour of the art and I remember being like, okay,
Speaker 1: like you're getting number two and that's fine, Like you're fine.
Speaker 1: And I was at home in my old apartment getting
Speaker 1: my hair done. I had foils in my hair and
Speaker 1: as I got closer and closer. Megan, our friend Megan
Speaker 1: was sending me I was with Megan that night. We
Speaker 1: were in and Austin. You were doing a stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: We were all together that night. Okay, yes, waiting to
Speaker 1: see if do you remember how close it was? No,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I finished the show because because it's midnight,
Speaker 1: Pacific time is what counts, because Eastern comes in. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like the new Ryan Seacrest New Year's Like, you're
Speaker 1: going all the way down. And I finished my stand
Speaker 1: up comedy show at like thirty or eleven, which you
Speaker 1: mean it's nine Pacific. So they're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: the bar and waiting and watching the charts. It was hectic.
Speaker 1: I just remember, as we got closer and closer, Megan's like,
Speaker 1: we might get it. It's still really close. So I
Speaker 1: started inviting some of my friends over just in case
Speaker 1: it happened, just a cause it didn't, you know. And
Speaker 1: so before I knew it, like I have like thirty
Speaker 1: people in my time, a little one bedroom apartment, foils
Speaker 1: in my hair and I get the call and they're like,
Speaker 1: we got it. It's number one, and um and I
Speaker 1: have a video of all of it, and then Hunter
Speaker 1: Hayes was over Um with the girlfriend Libby and he
Speaker 1: like made this beautiful toast and like it ended up
Speaker 1: being like the coolest night of my life because we
Speaker 1: were just like, is this going to happen? We don't
Speaker 1: know if we're going to get it, and we got
Speaker 1: it and ended up being like a really cool celebration.
Speaker 1: And having two number one gives you the ability to
Speaker 1: fail next and still have some strong feed yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's why we risked it with Peter Pan. And it
Speaker 1: was a risk because one year a girl yeah and
Speaker 1: too it's a it's a ballot, yeah, and at the
Speaker 1: and even now that's not the safest thing. But really
Speaker 1: back but then when we're talking even a year ago,
Speaker 1: it really wasn't a safe play at all. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of mid tempo and slow ballads on
Speaker 1: radio at the time. It was when they all started
Speaker 1: to come out of the sad time. Yes song, Oh man,
Speaker 1: this was like I feel like we all knew that
Speaker 1: this was our, like our song that would change the game,
Speaker 1: and it did, and I think in different ways than
Speaker 1: we really even knew. But Um, I wrote this song
Speaker 1: with Jesse Lee and Forest who I wrote with today
Speaker 1: actually randomly. Um, and I remember was my first rite
Speaker 1: with Jesse. And I remember Jesse as an artist when
Speaker 1: I moved to town. Her video was on G A
Speaker 1: C and seems for It's a Girl Thing, and um,
Speaker 1: I thought she was so talented and it was my
Speaker 1: first art with her, so I was super stoked. And
Speaker 1: do you know Jesse at all? She is a spit fire.
Speaker 1: I mean comes in the room black of bold dozer
Speaker 1: in the best way possible. So I was kind of
Speaker 1: like letting her take the room. And um, she was like,
Speaker 1: I had this idea, Um, but if we don't write it, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ride it somewhere else. I just want
Speaker 1: you guys to know that straight up. And we were
Speaker 1: like okay. And I think her doing that and timid
Speaker 1: in Timid dated us a bit, but it also kind
Speaker 1: of put this pressure in the room, um, and like
Speaker 1: this challenge in the room of writing a really good song.
Speaker 1: And she was like Peter Pan that the boy who
Speaker 1: doesn't grow up. Um, that's that's my idea. And we
Speaker 1: loved it and and wrote it really quick, I think,
Speaker 1: and it was one of those songs that we just
Speaker 1: wanted to keep singing over and over in the room
Speaker 1: like no one was ready to leave yet. Um, which
Speaker 1: was cool. I have trouble with your next song, and
Speaker 1: not for a reason you would expect, but um, and
Speaker 1: whenever you hear that, because people listen to these months later.
Speaker 1: But as we're doing this, Bobby cast your singles, yeah boy,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it was saying yeah boy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like yeah boy, yeah boy,
Speaker 1: yeah boy. So on the radio, I don't see the
Speaker 1: name of it. I'm just like why because it's like
Speaker 1: there's yeah boy, just say it. Just feels I could
Speaker 1: do that, just calling did you call Peter Pan Peter
Speaker 1: pants your pants? Yeah? You just say it, just call
Speaker 1: it ceaseor no, because some people will be like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? People get mad at everything I do. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, so on the right now, this this is
Speaker 1: your song on so this one here, just give me
Speaker 1: a story. Um, you know it's the last song that
Speaker 1: we're gonna release from this album. And UM, I think
Speaker 1: the whole heartbeat of the album I put out was
Speaker 1: very young. A lot of it was very flirty. Um,
Speaker 1: you were also young and flirty, thought, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was absolutely absolutely, and I think, I mean, even what
Speaker 1: you've heard this next record is not that at all,
Speaker 1: and so I think that it was kind of us
Speaker 1: being like, let's circle back and end it how we
Speaker 1: started it before we kind of move on to something else. Um,
Speaker 1: which has been really fun because it's it's fun to
Speaker 1: see the fans that initially reacted with love me be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is my this is my favorite song on the record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for this, you know. That's been fun
Speaker 1: to see. My favorite song on the record is one
Speaker 1: that did not come out of the single, just because
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I'm a weird person that
Speaker 1: doesn't always fit, but I love the square pat you did.
Speaker 1: You can see that was the last time we wrote
Speaker 1: everybody gata everybody, everybody sales and the world go round.
Speaker 1: Like that's like I sound like a kid, yeah, said,
Speaker 1: I mean this whole record though, Kelsey, you're talking about you.
Speaker 1: You've grown up, I mean a lot in the last
Speaker 1: three years. Like it's been kind of while to watch
Speaker 1: the ascent and again this your next record is gonna
Speaker 1: make you even older to people because it's far more
Speaker 1: mature and this you needed this first record, Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of it, of it, and I know you
Speaker 1: don't feel cool because it's poppy. But I didn't change
Speaker 1: the game. The completely changed the game. You would not
Speaker 1: be here without this sound. The radio would not sound
Speaker 1: like it does without this sound. And I wouldn't heat
Speaker 1: this false praise on you, but I would just talk
Speaker 1: about it. Um. So yeah, like it's good. If you
Speaker 1: put out a second record like this, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: all right, Kelsey. I mean I think everyone wouldn't say that. Well,
Speaker 1: So you ever hard to carry Underwood? Um? Not often,
Speaker 1: like we we've texted here and there, um, but not
Speaker 1: often because she puts out songs that she she walks
Speaker 1: that line a pop song and and and also Carrie
Speaker 1: just doesn't give a crap she does. I know Miranda
Speaker 1: gives credit for not giving a crab, but Carrie doesn't
Speaker 1: give Carrie does hes her lane like you said earlier.
Speaker 1: And this isn't even to go back about that comment.
Speaker 1: But you know, getting to know carry a bit, it's
Speaker 1: like focus forward. This is what I do. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to do it. That's the best thing. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to do. It's so hard to do with a
Speaker 1: million voices. It's really hard to do, and especially being
Speaker 1: like a young girl, it's hard to just like look
Speaker 1: ahead like, um no, I don't know her well, UM,
Speaker 1: but I remember I met her. I went to her
Speaker 1: Khalia fashion show in New York actually, um, maybe a
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, and Um I went backstage
Speaker 1: and gave her a hug, and she was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: here's my number if you ever need anything. And she's
Speaker 1: texting me a couple of times, like when my grandparents
Speaker 1: passed away, she texted me and UM a couple of times.
Speaker 1: She's she's really cool. But we've never like hung out.
Speaker 1: We're not bros. So early seventeen right now, in the
Speaker 1: life cycle of this record, what's been the coolest give
Speaker 1: me a moment? Let's say, give me what's the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to my want to go, give me
Speaker 1: a moment of the album. I don't care just in
Speaker 1: the last since the album, because you've got to do
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, there's been a lot. Give
Speaker 1: me the first one that comes to line. The most
Speaker 1: rewarding thing I've gotten to do is headlining tour. And
Speaker 1: I didn't when my management came to me like a
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, and there like we want
Speaker 1: you to headline the end of two thousand and sixteen.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are crazy, You're crazy, Like
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. Um. And I didn't think I
Speaker 1: was I could put together like a seventy minute show.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I could do that. Um. It was
Speaker 1: the most rewarding thing I've ever done, because you get
Speaker 1: so used to having your like forty minute slot with
Speaker 1: two pillar songs that people know, and then the rest
Speaker 1: you're kind of like just trying to get people to
Speaker 1: just even pay attention to you. Um. And with this tour,
Speaker 1: we had venues that were like I think it was
Speaker 1: like twelve cap rooms sold out, that they knew songs
Speaker 1: that I hadn't even put out yet, every word to them,
Speaker 1: and to me, it just made me feel like the
Speaker 1: whole record meant something and had a life that was
Speaker 1: bigger than just the songs that I got to put
Speaker 1: out a singles, which was it was really cool. You
Speaker 1: know what else? As I sit here and think, because
Speaker 1: I watched from a thousand feet up, sometimes what you're
Speaker 1: doing and your socials and I'm a fan of artists period,
Speaker 1: in regardless how big they are, Like I like like
Speaker 1: like people trying things, and I like people doing things
Speaker 1: when people they stopped doing them just because they feel it.
Speaker 1: And you talk about pop music in a second, and
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you're just like, I love
Speaker 1: pop music because I like listen, I I love hip hop, come,
Speaker 1: I love you know there are these things and I'm
Speaker 1: just it's just who I am. And the fact that
Speaker 1: you hop on Instagram And I was watching Instagram have
Speaker 1: you doing the chain Smoker's parents other night? And I
Speaker 1: was like, the fact that she's still doing this just
Speaker 1: because she likes to do it. That's much cooler than
Speaker 1: anything else. Because for your whole career, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: people are always going to tell you you're not this
Speaker 1: is not the cool thing to do. Forever. You're forever
Speaker 1: gonna be told you should be doing something else. And
Speaker 1: the person surround yourself with the best people and then
Speaker 1: listen to the the best person, which is you. And
Speaker 1: I like to do that because I know that you
Speaker 1: get that you're not cool. Sometimes sometimes the haters too,
Speaker 1: because you're blown up. Do you know? Do you do
Speaker 1: you know how fast you you're blown up? And how
Speaker 1: abnormal it is. What's what's really interesting is I I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know. Does that make sense? I
Speaker 1: know because people are telling me, and I know because
Speaker 1: it's been two years and I feel like it's been ten.
Speaker 1: But the first big proper break I've gotten was this Christmas.
Speaker 1: I had like a week off for Christmas and two
Speaker 1: weeks in Australia and I got home. I had thirty
Speaker 1: six hours at home, did a did a cover shoot
Speaker 1: for Billboard. I don't think that's I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: say that that happened. And then I literally got on
Speaker 1: a country cruise, which you're on a cruise with fans
Speaker 1: for five days to perform. And then I got home
Speaker 1: and so I was like jet lagged and like really
Speaker 1: kind of like WHOA where it? Like I need to
Speaker 1: be home for a second. I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to get centered for a second. And I went through
Speaker 1: with management every day of this year what I had
Speaker 1: going on, and I got really intimidated by my life
Speaker 1: because I just got to be a human for like
Speaker 1: a month, and I didn't really think about music too much,
Speaker 1: um because I needed to like have some experience to
Speaker 1: live and write about, and like just a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff happen. I got engauged and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of go away for a minute.
Speaker 1: And I literally sat with management. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think I can do this, Like I'm
Speaker 1: really intimidated by this, and it makes me feel really
Speaker 1: insecure and like I don't know how this happened, you know,
Speaker 1: and like the start of my year really is the Grammys.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I ease into the Grammys? I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do this? And so that's been like, uh,
Speaker 1: I think the first time that I've really felt like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this did happen fast, because now you're feeling the things
Speaker 1: that you probably should have been feeling a year ago,
Speaker 1: like that that intimidation. You know, do you worry that
Speaker 1: you're gonna let people down? Um? No, because no one
Speaker 1: thinks I'm cool, So I don't really work different the
Speaker 1: people that that assigned coolness, they don't matter yea. And
Speaker 1: you know this because you got it, like you understand it.
Speaker 1: And I think you've had some great people that have
Speaker 1: taught you this is that do you know matters that
Speaker 1: people that buy the music yea, on to the shows.
Speaker 1: That's who matters. That's who really tells you if you're
Speaker 1: cool or not. And I had the same thing. Like
Speaker 1: people can tell me I saw writ blogs about how
Speaker 1: terrible I am. But when I go do a stand
Speaker 1: up show or I could do writing ideas show where
Speaker 1: I go, those are the only people that matter. And
Speaker 1: you know this, and and it's a it's a rare thing,
Speaker 1: and that's who matters. That's why I think that tour
Speaker 1: was so rewarding for me because I was like, I
Speaker 1: am cool right now. It weren't a bubble that we
Speaker 1: sometimes don't see out of because we're in Nashville. Everybody
Speaker 1: it's a it's a small town but speaking and everybody's
Speaker 1: in it telling you how cool that someone else is. Y. Yes,
Speaker 1: but in reality, and you do a great job at
Speaker 1: this to the coolest person is the person that comes
Speaker 1: out and show support because we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do what we do. Yeah, none of it without people
Speaker 1: spend they go to work and have jobs and like
Speaker 1: spend their money on you as an escape. Eight. That's cool.
Speaker 1: It is cool. Yeah, it is cool. And uh and
Speaker 1: and don't lose sight of that because you will get
Speaker 1: pulled in eighty directions to be told a hundred things,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, trust me. I get bashed constantly,
Speaker 1: but FM, you know yeah, because you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's all about for me, it's all about the listener.
Speaker 1: Like if they start to if I start to be
Speaker 1: a douchebag, or I get high horsey or it's like wow,
Speaker 1: don't then I'm like, I gotta pull I gotta pull
Speaker 1: it back. You listen to them because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: dance with a girl that brought you and so that's
Speaker 1: you talk about getting engaged and that. How about that?
Speaker 1: What happened? Huh, let's talk about that. I mean, you're young,
Speaker 1: Yeah I am. I am, you're young. When are we
Speaker 1: talking about getting ready? Like ten years, there'll be one
Speaker 1: of those long we haven't talked about it. I like, um,
Speaker 1: I never have thought about like a wedding or getting
Speaker 1: married before. It's never been on my haven build a
Speaker 1: picture's board of not my thing. I have dreamt about,
Speaker 1: like what my tour will look like, not what my
Speaker 1: wedding will look like. And he's the best I love
Speaker 1: so much and I'm stoked to marry him, but like
Speaker 1: that's not the things that we're thinking about right now.
Speaker 1: We have people in our lives, um that we shared
Speaker 1: that we're close to. And I the first thing I did,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's like Kelsey get engaged. Is
Speaker 1: she pregnant? Who? It doesn't matter here, Oh god, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But no, I know you're not. And if
Speaker 1: if I thought you were or she said you know
Speaker 1: he or he said yes, I wouldn't have asked that question.
Speaker 1: But I was like, is she pregnant? Because because I
Speaker 1: wanted to be happy for you, but you're not pregnant.
Speaker 1: I'm not No, no, no, that's right now. You're not pregnant.
Speaker 1: You didn't get engaged because you were pregnant. Not that
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with that, but that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: When I saw it, was like, huh, it's been pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Like when you met him, you went over in March,
Speaker 1: it's been like ten and a half months. And so
Speaker 1: you go over and you meet him doing the awards
Speaker 1: show because he lives in Nashville. He's lived in Nashville
Speaker 1: for like a year and a half um where I
Speaker 1: guess like two years now. But yeah, he actually had
Speaker 1: come over and interviewed, um, all the artists that were
Speaker 1: going over for that The cmafest before. So I didn't
Speaker 1: remember him because I was in a relationship and whatever,
Speaker 1: And so he interviewed me, and I gets he texted
Speaker 1: his friend that day and said, I met a lot today.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember him. Okay, do you have a screenshot?
Speaker 1: His friend is the one who told me. But do
Speaker 1: you have the screenshot? I don't have the screenshot. I
Speaker 1: didn't know how dudes are Mike? Are you with? I
Speaker 1: mean he didn't work out. It doesn't work out. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember that before anybody else. He he
Speaker 1: was like me, like we were like, hat, it's been fun.
Speaker 1: See you gonna go work now, you know, like just
Speaker 1: not relationship people wolf. Um, but yeah, no, we hosted
Speaker 1: the show together and I'll start and um, i've been
Speaker 1: together since and you came back, came back and then
Speaker 1: you started dating. Yeah yeah, I I didn't know that
Speaker 1: he lived in Nashville. Um, when we hosted the show together.
Speaker 1: And was it? Did you fall from like that? Like that?
Speaker 1: You really didn't? Yeah? Good looking dude, Ah he is.
Speaker 1: He's so hot, but he's just like a proper good
Speaker 1: human like he he's a good like h Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to hang out with him, you really what he's
Speaker 1: the best. I'm gushing and stop talking about no, no,
Speaker 1: gush away. It's it's a rare thing, it really to
Speaker 1: find someone worthy. My parents like are super super divorced,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why I was like kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I wasn't two to your relationships before,
Speaker 1: and you could not have paid me to even say
Speaker 1: the word marriage, Like I just would never think about
Speaker 1: that because as also, I'm a kid and I love
Speaker 1: what I do and I'm busy and like that's kind
Speaker 1: of what my life is. And when I thought it
Speaker 1: was all about and um, yeah, when I met him,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, You're going to change my life?
Speaker 1: Did you know he was going to propose? Uh? We
Speaker 1: had talked about wanting to get married, that we knew
Speaker 1: that we wanted to be with each other forever. And
Speaker 1: he's thirty one. Well he's older than I thought. He's
Speaker 1: he's older than me. Um, and I know he was
Speaker 1: older than you. Yeah, look at him. Listen. I think
Speaker 1: I'm eight years older than my girlfriends. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not wander There's nothing wrong. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: twenty three and I have moments of acting like I'm
Speaker 1: eighteen now that's crazy to me. I know, I have
Speaker 1: moments of acting like I'm eighteen still, but I also
Speaker 1: have moments like I feel like my my real life
Speaker 1: is like I need I need to be about thirty
Speaker 1: five all the time, Like I need to act like
Speaker 1: I'm like thirty five all the time. You've had to
Speaker 1: grow up a lot quickly. But I'm telling you grew
Speaker 1: up like quickly though you at a younger age too. Mean, Listen,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you had this uh Brady bunch of
Speaker 1: type family because and you know you've talked about that
Speaker 1: a bit with your mom and dad splitting up. And
Speaker 1: your mom lives here. My mom is in Franklin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she lives in Franklin, not Nashville, but like minutes Yeah,
Speaker 1: not far at all. My dad's in Knoxville, so where
Speaker 1: I'm from. And so that's where you go when you
Speaker 1: put on the pajamas. No, that's mom's Franklin. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: her favorite thing. It's for all you guys to put
Speaker 1: on the footsie pajamas. Yeah, why do you? She makes
Speaker 1: her so happy, And I think she thinks that everyone
Speaker 1: hates it, so she makes a big deal out of it.
Speaker 1: And so we all just kind of act like we
Speaker 1: hate it, but then we're like posting pictures because we
Speaker 1: think it's so fun. So you start working on this
Speaker 1: next record. How long ago. I've been through a lot
Speaker 1: of phases with this album. I've I mean, I probably
Speaker 1: wrote the first time we had written for it is
Speaker 1: a song called Graveyard, which I think I sent you,
Speaker 1: and UM, I don't even know the First Time was
Speaker 1: out yet when we had that song writing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've we've been for it. I've probably written like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe two songs, and we've cut some, scrapped them. We've
Speaker 1: used a couple of different producers didn't work out. UM,
Speaker 1: So we've really kind of gotten to experiment a bit
Speaker 1: more with this one. UM. But you know what the
Speaker 1: coolest part was, I went back to like the producers
Speaker 1: that did the first time, and they're my friends, and
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it just worked because you can
Speaker 1: be honest with them. I can be honest with them
Speaker 1: and like they they created the sound that the first
Speaker 1: Time is and I think that that's really valuable, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was really cool to be able to try
Speaker 1: different producers and then learn that like they bring something
Speaker 1: really special. Um, and I don't think I appreciated that
Speaker 1: as much as I probably should have, And now I
Speaker 1: do because I know you get the call that you've
Speaker 1: been nominated for Best New Artists, UM, just be real.
Speaker 1: Did you think that you would be one of the
Speaker 1: five nominees. Honestly, it was really important to me. It
Speaker 1: was really important to me. Did you feel like it
Speaker 1: lessened to your chances that Maren existed and she came
Speaker 1: on strong? Because I did, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: is really cool. Ye are way cooler than they are
Speaker 1: commercial absolutely people even heard of. And I love music,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is this? The thing? The thing
Speaker 1: about me and Maren and we're friends, We're not super close.
Speaker 1: I would love to be close with her. Um. But
Speaker 1: the thing about Maren is, if there's any other I
Speaker 1: don't want to say this, I'm glad it's me and her.
Speaker 1: Like I'm glad I'm in competition with her because she's
Speaker 1: so talented and her record is probably my most played
Speaker 1: record of the year. UM. And I think that hopefully
Speaker 1: once we get out of all the new categories, it'll
Speaker 1: be just like Carrie and Miranda where they live in
Speaker 1: completely different lanes. But I think that people put us
Speaker 1: up against each other. Right now, we're the new girls,
Speaker 1: and we're female, and we're in the new artist you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So right now I think we're
Speaker 1: up against each other a lot, which again I'm stoked
Speaker 1: at her because she's really good, and that means that
Speaker 1: I'm in the same category as someone who's really good,
Speaker 1: which I'm stoked about. Um. And I think that eventually,
Speaker 1: as we keep putting out music, hopefully we keep just
Speaker 1: growing into those positions. Is like a Carrie and Miranda.
Speaker 1: We're just in different lanes. You know. It's such a
Speaker 1: weird dynamic because you have all these number one songs.
Speaker 1: Was that rude? I didn't mean to be rude, There's
Speaker 1: no there's a god. I don't want to be I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of hers. I didn't want to sound me.
Speaker 1: It's not a very competent I know. I tell you
Speaker 1: to and I'll call you on and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: well and everything's about honestly here. Um. And I love
Speaker 1: Marin's record too. Yes, holy crap. Once, I can't with
Speaker 1: that song. It's for the Grammys. First of all, I
Speaker 1: think are the one You're gonna win the award. You're
Speaker 1: gonna balance, You're gonna kill each other. I think that's
Speaker 1: who I think, Yeah, because I just did the logic
Speaker 1: of it, because here is how to break it down,
Speaker 1: and I think you guys cancel each other out enough
Speaker 1: to where it doesn't Um, who's a rock group and
Speaker 1: it could have been the Chain Smokers, but it's they're
Speaker 1: a pop group. And again, the Grammys aren't about commercial.
Speaker 1: Actually go away from that and people vote. I'm a voter.
Speaker 1: I'm a Grammy voter, and I'm probably the only one
Speaker 1: who voted for like all the pop stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: because I just know. So. I think you guys listen
Speaker 1: for the format. I would love if either one of
Speaker 1: you wanted. Yeah, it's a big deal that we're both
Speaker 1: nominated in. It crazy that you both are. I thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be one of the two of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder which one it's going to
Speaker 1: and knew it will be one of you. It. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal there. There's never been two country
Speaker 1: artists in that category, let alone two chicks. It's a
Speaker 1: big deal. Um, which in itself feels like a victory,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, Yeah, I'm not I'm not prepared to
Speaker 1: win that. I know that and I'm cool with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they they did the things. They don't call your name.
Speaker 1: How do you feel? I mean it happened before that.
Speaker 1: Were you hurt by that? Um? I mean as much
Speaker 1: as much as you should hurt. When I lose that
Speaker 1: it crushes me on the side. I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: hate it the rewards thing and I don't win. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a complete loss and a failure, and then it
Speaker 1: it motivates me to do more. But I would be honest,
Speaker 1: it sucks to lose. Yeah, I mean I try to
Speaker 1: be really practical going into these kind of things because
Speaker 1: a words are cool, like I have couple there on
Speaker 1: a shelf. It's really fun to show my friends. Um,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. I mean, I'm down with my three
Speaker 1: number ones. It makes me really happy. That makes me
Speaker 1: really happy. Um. And I I don't know I was bombed,
Speaker 1: but I was also like, it makes me it's good,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I would have been bombed. I'd have been
Speaker 1: I would have been like, don't you really realize to
Speaker 1: have number one songs? Like what just the human part
Speaker 1: of might have been like, what what do you guys do? Wing?
Speaker 1: Like how I'm performing. I've got three number ones? Why
Speaker 1: why am I not? If? I think, if anything, it
Speaker 1: probably just fed into that, like I'm not cool. People
Speaker 1: don't think it absolutely. I think that's probably the more
Speaker 1: of the feeling rather than like oh they don't like me,
Speaker 1: or like oh they don't think I'm good. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm just not cool, you know. That's kind of I
Speaker 1: think the insecurity you don't think you know what the
Speaker 1: coolest thing is, though, period is not caring. I know
Speaker 1: I'll get there. I'll get there. I'm not there yet,
Speaker 1: though I'm okay to say that. I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: ever fully gets there. Especially artists were so emotional. We're
Speaker 1: just it's just weird when you create, you're so vulnerable
Speaker 1: because we create and then every and and I'm not
Speaker 1: comparing what I do to you, but we create in
Speaker 1: different lanes. Yeah, Like I wrote that stupid book, and
Speaker 1: I was like Jesus man, like I'm putting it all
Speaker 1: out there and people are gonna tell me I suck
Speaker 1: or I'm good, or you're vulnerable because you created something,
Speaker 1: and then it's up to everybody else to critake it.
Speaker 1: And they could take it with their money or their
Speaker 1: mouths or their keyboards. And we depend on those critics
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Speaker 1: So you have a fiance, you got a new record
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah, I want to know about this fiance
Speaker 1: for a second. Okay, like, what's his deal? Which part?
Speaker 1: What do you want to know? Let's talk about his music,
Speaker 1: because he's an artist. I've never I've never heard him
Speaker 1: saying do you want to hear him saying I'm not
Speaker 1: against it? I mean I wouldn't be like, let me
Speaker 1: out of your Yeah I could. I mean yes, it'd
Speaker 1: be weird for me. It'd be tough for me to
Speaker 1: be with another artist if I didn't respect what they did.
Speaker 1: I've always said I would never be with another artist
Speaker 1: because it's weird. I've dated a songwriter before. It's competitive,
Speaker 1: it's like awkward, and it's it's just not it's just so.
Speaker 1: I opened for him in Australia too, which was kind
Speaker 1: of cool to like, flip that and then he opened
Speaker 1: for you on your headlining tour. UM, who does it
Speaker 1: get competitive? I wonder? I mean if he goes out
Speaker 1: and doesn't have six because most artists don't have success initially,
Speaker 1: most artist aren't Kelsey. I mean is that I'm just
Speaker 1: not worried about it. I think he's like, he needs
Speaker 1: to be successful for you. I think that he he
Speaker 1: will be successful for me, whatever that means. But I'm
Speaker 1: so worre. He's so talented and he's everyone loves him
Speaker 1: that meets him, and so I think that it'll work
Speaker 1: out how it's supposed to work out for him. He's
Speaker 1: a really good entertainer. I think that's his strongest suit,
Speaker 1: Like he writes and all of that. He's a great singer,
Speaker 1: but he's a really really great entertainer, Like, help me
Speaker 1: put part of my last show together. What's his deal then? Musically?
Speaker 1: Is right? Right now? Is the on a label? He's
Speaker 1: on Warner Australia, UM, and then he's not on a
Speaker 1: Nashville label yet yet. Yeah, should make black rivers on them?
Speaker 1: Just nord pass. Yeah, that's interesting. You have to are
Speaker 1: I mean, listen if it were it's a it's a
Speaker 1: difficult juggling act to be with someone else creative. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do the same thing. Yeah, you just GE's
Speaker 1: just too creative people. And but it's also like I
Speaker 1: think as long as you can separate it, Like there
Speaker 1: are times where I'm like I need you to tell
Speaker 1: me what to do in this situation, or like I
Speaker 1: need your opinion on this, like put your business hat
Speaker 1: on his name. By the way, that we have never
Speaker 1: said his name. His name everybody can google. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we also will be like, let's just not talk
Speaker 1: about anything to do with what we do tonight, Like
Speaker 1: let's talk about our family or friends or something else,
Speaker 1: like a stupid YouTube video. It doesn't matter anything. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's cool to be able to like do either.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you guys have fun doing together?
Speaker 1: What's what's like yours? We travel? We love to travel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we went to um, Hawaii and then we went to
Speaker 1: Paris and Florence and then like even stuff like Black
Speaker 1: Gray Farm, like right down the road, just a little getaways,
Speaker 1: really really good. Fair to say you're making money now finally, Um,
Speaker 1: this year I started to make a little money. Yet
Speaker 1: people think when you have a song on the radio
Speaker 1: immediately become some crazy millionaire. It's opposite. I mean, most
Speaker 1: artists I know lose money. It's so hard for a
Speaker 1: long time. The first year, and I remember, this is
Speaker 1: so caned. I'm getting so much trouble for this radio
Speaker 1: tour was the hardest time of my life because I
Speaker 1: was working so hard, um, and for myself, like I
Speaker 1: was doing it for me, you know, but I was exhausted.
Speaker 1: And you don't get paid, but everyone around you does.
Speaker 1: And I happened to be dating my guitar player at
Speaker 1: the time, so he is getting paid and I wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I remember there was one time where I couldn't
Speaker 1: pay my rent when I got home, um, and it
Speaker 1: was actually it was during my opera debut and all
Speaker 1: my family and friends were there, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I asked my parents to pay my rent, like what
Speaker 1: do I do? And ended up something cool happened. But
Speaker 1: what happened, I don't know if he'd want me to
Speaker 1: say someone someone showed up and did it for me,
Speaker 1: someone that you'll probably take that and help someone else
Speaker 1: in the same way. Yeah, he's like the coolest person.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was not you that perfect. Uh yeah, but
Speaker 1: um ready. I mean yeah, that whole time is so
Speaker 1: hard because you have to support the people that are
Speaker 1: there to support you, but essentially you're working for yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's really it's really tough, really tough.
Speaker 1: You're I'm proud of you, so proud. She's my date
Speaker 1: to the Grammys. We're going shopping next week. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's to call that a tough call. I know you
Speaker 1: and your mom were close, and your mom moved out
Speaker 1: here when you're fifteen. We made a deal. When I
Speaker 1: was like, if you made a deal, we made a deal.
Speaker 1: We made a deal. I mean, you just got engaged. No,
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be out there with me just
Speaker 1: for my sanity purposes, but um yeah, no, I made
Speaker 1: a deal with my mom was like fourteen, because we
Speaker 1: used to watch the Grammys together and I was like,
Speaker 1: when I get to go to the Grammies, you're gonna
Speaker 1: come with me. You're gonna be my date. And so
Speaker 1: then it actually happened. So she's my date. That's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm stoked, and she's proud. Does she have pictures up
Speaker 1: of you? Like all through the years that she makes
Speaker 1: me these scrap books like Shutterfly scrap books. She made
Speaker 1: me one for Christmas. And this is so embarrassing. My
Speaker 1: trainer was over this morning and the books propped up
Speaker 1: on my shelf and I'm like, hey, look at me
Speaker 1: with brown hair, and she was like, that's you, jeez,
Speaker 1: baby fat. And I was like, you're hardcore though, like
Speaker 1: she was in the military. She is a boss lady
Speaker 1: for she's um yeah, she's hardcore. She's hardcore. Yeah, um yeah.
Speaker 1: So my mom keeps all the pictures. That's fun. It's
Speaker 1: fun to have someone that's been there and your mom moved,
Speaker 1: moved for you, I know, I know for you as
Speaker 1: a kid. And I think as you get older too,
Speaker 1: you'll and when you have kids, you'll probably be liked.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Like I get it. It's cool too,
Speaker 1: because she had just started dating her now husband in Knoxville, um,
Speaker 1: like six months before we moved, and so they kept dating.
Speaker 1: They don't like they just met started dating. We moved,
Speaker 1: and then they dated long distance for like seven years.
Speaker 1: I would say they dated mid distance mid distance Yeah yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: I distance really for seven years and now he lives
Speaker 1: out here in the marry and stuff. So what was
Speaker 1: it like playing back in Knoxville Theater. It was cool.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I knew that there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the audience that like my choir
Speaker 1: director was there, which like I mean, I could have
Speaker 1: just died that she was there. Um, my parents were there. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends were there. But then there
Speaker 1: were also like my ex boyfriend was there. Um my
Speaker 1: like the Peter Pant like high high school. Um uh.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of people that like, and it
Speaker 1: happens because you hear the story at the time, but
Speaker 1: like that, um, aren't really your friends. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you have a song on the radio
Speaker 1: and they're like, Kelsie, here's a picture of us, and
Speaker 1: you're like seven people away from each other, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Um, there were like a lot of
Speaker 1: those people there too. So I remember before I went
Speaker 1: out on stage, I was like, do it for do
Speaker 1: it for your friends, and do it for your family,
Speaker 1: but like, do it for the people that are here
Speaker 1: that like I didn't think you could do it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I went out and I swear I never like
Speaker 1: flipped my hair that hard in my life. Like I
Speaker 1: just went out there and turned it into some one else.
Speaker 1: But and I was so proud of myself because I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna be so emotional, and I just
Speaker 1: like I did the best show I've probably ever done.
Speaker 1: And then for the encore, I walked out, um into
Speaker 1: the audience. We always like pick a spot, never know
Speaker 1: who's gonna be around it. To pick a spot. I
Speaker 1: walk out with my guitar to play the first time,
Speaker 1: and I'll walk out and it's my second show of
Speaker 1: the whole tour. It's my hometown in the theater that
Speaker 1: my dad used to live above, and I would sneak
Speaker 1: down into like it's I saw a little big down
Speaker 1: there I saw. I was like, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like a super special place to me. And I look
Speaker 1: up and my dad's right in front of me, and
Speaker 1: to my best friends are like to my right. And
Speaker 1: then Forest and Jason Mass and my producers surprised me
Speaker 1: and drove in and they were like on my on
Speaker 1: my left, and I just looked up at them and
Speaker 1: I started a bawling. I mean, just like I couldn't
Speaker 1: even get my my words together. Um. And while it's embarrassing,
Speaker 1: like why while it's happening, it's a cool moment to
Speaker 1: look back on. You know, are you writing with tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm writing with Jimmy Robbins and a chick name Mozilla.
Speaker 1: She wrote, I came in like, go backing Ball. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We wrote two days ago and we got two songs
Speaker 1: and three hours we were like, let's do this again.
Speaker 1: It's funny. You know, my you sing wrecking Ball. I've
Speaker 1: become friends with Jesse Alexander. She and she she wrote
Speaker 1: the climb, but she's not real, not real. I saw
Speaker 1: her again because I went, um, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't get to go to a lot of things. But
Speaker 1: I went and went to watch Derek's play. There I
Speaker 1: saw a picture of you. I never I never saw you,
Speaker 1: but I saw a picture of you at the end.
Speaker 1: But so I want to watch Drek's And I saw
Speaker 1: her back there and one on like the A C.
Speaker 1: M board together and we've got to kind of know
Speaker 1: each other. And you sing wrecking But she wrote Miley
Speaker 1: cyrus as a climb, which when she sings her husband
Speaker 1: are both songwriters. Um. But when she sings that, it's
Speaker 1: so good. But she wrote, you know, le Bryce, I
Speaker 1: drive your truck, which I think most country people would
Speaker 1: go to that first, but I'm always like you sang
Speaker 1: the climb from Miley Biggest hand on Montana fan, Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: did you ever go to handa Onontana shows show? Yes,
Speaker 1: and Jonas Brothers opened really Oh yeah, Knoxville Thomson Boling Arena, yep,
Speaker 1: they were. That was when I was doing pop radio
Speaker 1: like the Jonas Brothers people would, I mean, that's how
Speaker 1: I was. I was like a camp out Jonas Brothers
Speaker 1: fan Nick played with me on the as Keep everybody country, don't.
Speaker 1: You can't say anyone country in this nice question growing up?
Speaker 1: Eliminate all country, just your favorite artists. Give me three
Speaker 1: artists that you loved, not country, not country. My first
Speaker 1: concert was Brittany. Um I this makes me sound probably weird.
Speaker 1: I loved like Frank Sinatra. My dad listened to him
Speaker 1: all the time in the kitchen. Well that's why because
Speaker 1: it made me feel like you so Frank Sinatra, that
Speaker 1: kind of oldies stuff. Um and and I mean, like
Speaker 1: Hannah Montanda was a big one for me because I
Speaker 1: wanted to be musician. I was going to school and
Speaker 1: like I just kind of you feel like you're living well,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for I hope. Yeah, always number one, you know,
Speaker 1: and I know a bit you're kind of like ready
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, I get it, like you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the new stuff. Well, but I'm excited
Speaker 1: to like finish it out on this song. So hopefully
Speaker 1: it works me too, And I'm ready for the new
Speaker 1: stuff because I just think everyone's going to see a
Speaker 1: different picture. And congratulations on the Grammy nominations. Thank you?
Speaker 1: Are you going out for that? Thinks? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I don't like to
Speaker 1: do stuff. I just don't unless I have to do
Speaker 1: something at it, Like I'll go to the Like I'm
Speaker 1: on the board of the A C M S And
Speaker 1: I probably would go to the A C nless I
Speaker 1: was doing part of the TV. So yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just feel pressure that people have to talk to
Speaker 1: me in places. You're doing the I Heart Festival, Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's my company. I'm hosting it and playing. But
Speaker 1: that's my company this year. You are playing, which is
Speaker 1: which is awesome, because it's awesome. I've wanted to it's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's because it's one It's not like an awards show
Speaker 1: where it's slow. It's like bam bam bam in the
Speaker 1: stage flips and I'm so excited we're playing it. We're
Speaker 1: but we're bringing out somebody to play with us that
Speaker 1: people are gonna flip out about, which is gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Um the first yeah, that was we We spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with cards together, like we did, like
Speaker 1: not even busses. And you know, we're both now to
Speaker 1: the point where we take busses to we're you know,
Speaker 1: and we're definitely different and you're a real life thing
Speaker 1: and I'm an entertainer. We entertained, but we get take
Speaker 1: busses now. Back in the day, we were taking a
Speaker 1: small van or an suv and driving like six hours.
Speaker 1: And now we're like, like Kelsey, get the catr on
Speaker 1: playing something while we drive for three hours, Gonna sit
Speaker 1: the back and just play it forever. Ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's freaking radio show is twenty years old,
Speaker 1: and it's are you can have years old? I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not four years yet, and then I like your record,
Speaker 1: you probably feel like it's again it's not ten years.
Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's been weird to watch you go
Speaker 1: from a baby to where you are now and the
Speaker 1: ups and downs and our ups and downs because we
Speaker 1: were really close and then not close and then really close.
Speaker 1: Like but but through all of that, like I've always
Speaker 1: been like a call away regardless and the probably a
Speaker 1: time we're let's we're on the same label too, like
Speaker 1: Full of Close were also on the same record label,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing comedy projects with the label, like not
Speaker 1: even music and our lives and our career they're very
Speaker 1: they are, and that's why I was like, let me
Speaker 1: see if I can see anything on the internet. I
Speaker 1: don't know about Kelsey, which is this is the weirdest
Speaker 1: Bobby cast because it's like I'm on with somebody from
Speaker 1: my show almost that I just know everything about, Like
Speaker 1: I almost know every answer to every question I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask them, So it's difficult for me. I will always
Speaker 1: root for you. It's been it's been weird. It's been weird.
Speaker 1: But I just hope that you keep doing you because
Speaker 1: at times it's hard not to do you. And I
Speaker 1: say that just in general, and I'm happy that you are.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited about the second record because I've heard
Speaker 1: some stuff and it's just different. It's different French record.
Speaker 1: I don't give opinions on that stuff anymore. I do,
Speaker 1: I thought I do, but yeah I don't do. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing now because I have friends and
Speaker 1: even my girlfriend. I don't tell her what songs you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, let's talk about that. You can
Speaker 1: talk about it if you want. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: that I tell her because she's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: putting together record. She's finally like, screw it, I'm just
Speaker 1: putting together my O on kind of record. She's like,
Speaker 1: I've done what they wanted me to do, and I've done.
Speaker 1: I've made singles that they wanted me to make. Again
Speaker 1: that that was a song. But now she's like, you
Speaker 1: know who I am. I'm I'm a I'm a country
Speaker 1: blues player. She's like, and this is what this is
Speaker 1: the record I want to make. So she's making it
Speaker 1: and I listen to songs, but I don't go that's
Speaker 1: for the radio. My only talk with her is would
Speaker 1: I buy it? And I'll be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't buy that song, but I see where it
Speaker 1: would fit on a record. But there's a weird relationship
Speaker 1: and it's in a way. Even with you, if you
Speaker 1: were like, hey, what do you think I would be,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be like, oh that's radio. I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd buy it, or I wouldn't buy it. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting perspective because I have to. I'm so you're you're biased,
Speaker 1: even if you don't want to be your bias. And
Speaker 1: then I go because she has songs, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I would download that, and then she has songs be like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't, but I do see where it
Speaker 1: fits in this record that in her should recommend a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But um, it's a thing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she makes me a normal human because I'm not,
Speaker 1: and she drags it out at me. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: good human. And Morgan play does the same thing for you.
Speaker 1: It just introduces a different side of you, even to yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where you're like, wow, I didn't realized i'd be that
Speaker 1: comfortable being like this. Yeah that's awesome. So we'll not good,
Speaker 1: but it's good. Well, congratulations, thanks man, And you know,
Speaker 1: if you win the Grammy, that's awesome, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'll wear a pretty dress and I'll sit
Speaker 1: near Beyonce and that's enough. And when and here's the
Speaker 1: thing you have to again at times, take and look
Speaker 1: at it from far away. Let's say, odds are you're
Speaker 1: a man, neither one are gonna win. You're not gonna win,
Speaker 1: because it's just looking at the math of it. In
Speaker 1: two or three years, you'll look back and go, that
Speaker 1: was the coolest thing ever. Even though you're kind of
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit sad when you don't win,
Speaker 1: you're gonna look back and go. So just go. And
Speaker 1: it's something that I've had to learn how to do
Speaker 1: and just almost take mental pictures to remember how cool
Speaker 1: it is. You just started videoing everything on my phone,
Speaker 1: like every right, every like do you want people hack
Speaker 1: and steal your stuff? All the time? I get hacked
Speaker 1: all the time all the time. There was a right,
Speaker 1: it sucks. It's so stressful. It is so stressful. I
Speaker 1: had to call Twitter and they don't have a number
Speaker 1: you look up in the on the internet. That had
Speaker 1: to be like, guy, does that need help because I'm
Speaker 1: getting hacked all the time all the time. Do they
Speaker 1: ever steal your music? I there's a live link on
Speaker 1: eBay right now of like half my next record, really,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do. It's so frustrating. It's
Speaker 1: so frustrating. I'm like, if you hack my phone, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of pictures of my dog, which
Speaker 1: is fine, and my contacts, which is probably what people want.
Speaker 1: You know. This is my address book, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: super annoying. You are cool, You are cool with your
Speaker 1: address book. I'm not. That's not what I'm do, you know,
Speaker 1: Hayley Steinfeld, I not, No, you should kind of like
Speaker 1: that song? Was that? No? I love that song and
Speaker 1: I met her maybe once. Um, but we're not. We're
Speaker 1: not buds and you need to be yet. That's a
Speaker 1: good song. I like that. That's a that's a Haley
Speaker 1: z I love That's Beaches in Town writing right now.
Speaker 1: He is, and you know who he's writing with because Keith.
Speaker 1: But I was just okay. So I'm a huge Walker
Speaker 1: Hayes fan. I don't know if you know Walker. So
Speaker 1: he's opening for me on my comedy tour. The Internet
Speaker 1: my favorite have you heard shut Up? Kenny? I've heard
Speaker 1: listen have you heard shut Up? Kenny? It makes me
Speaker 1: want to never write another song. Ah Walker song made
Speaker 1: me go why why? Is anybody's even trying, Like like,
Speaker 1: he's at the next level and he works in a
Speaker 1: tiny shed and he works on old, crappy equipment of
Speaker 1: producing equipment that's so old that when people come in there,
Speaker 1: you go, dude, I can't this doesn't match like with
Speaker 1: my current computers. But he he's a freak. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't even think we've met in person ever, but I
Speaker 1: just like randomly comment on and stuff and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're good. It's just differently. The Halloween song he plays
Speaker 1: that with in Niketa things, the girl part, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's too good. No, it's it's like Halloween. You look
Speaker 1: at you go, this is gonna be dumb Halloween. But
Speaker 1: Walker has a song called Halloween, and it's like I
Speaker 1: don't have to pretend anymore. I can put all my
Speaker 1: my mask and my cakes and stuff down with you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's just like that's that's the thing
Speaker 1: that is song running and it's fun. And you're like,
Speaker 1: it's rare to hear and feel things anymore, like us
Speaker 1: too when we hear stuff all the time. But all
Speaker 1: that being said, thumbs up to you. This is just
Speaker 1: the beginning of it, and it's a roller coaster and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have you down, but you can have some
Speaker 1: huge ups and it's really cool to build a man
Speaker 1: to be able to watch and hopefully one day I'll
Speaker 1: get to see a picture of your wedding. That would
Speaker 1: be cool. Oh my gosh, a wedding. Yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be cool. That's when you say no, you're going to
Speaker 1: be invited. You are well. I don't know if a
Speaker 1: wedding will happen, but if it does, of course you're invited. Man,
Speaker 1: you heard it here, tell us, tell Morgan us hello,
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope everything is fantastic than you
Speaker 1: Kelsey Valerie? What episodes has been? You are episode? We've
Speaker 1: been trying to work this out for a while, but
Speaker 1: both of us have been gone. It worked out and
Speaker 1: I will say too, and I don't say this, and
Speaker 1: I will bring it up to people if they show
Speaker 1: up and it's different. But they're about five of you
Speaker 1: ever that just show up by yourself, and that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Who two of the five were? You and Maren po
Speaker 1: both like, I'm just down, I don't have a made
Speaker 1: with me. Let's just talk and to me, that's that's
Speaker 1: a that's a cool human thing, like regardless of music
Speaker 1: or anything else. It's like, I'm just coming over. I'm
Speaker 1: not bringing my manager, I'm not bringing my people. Just
Speaker 1: sit down a talk. And so when you showed up,
Speaker 1: I was like, Kelsey, gonna show up, but there are
Speaker 1: we also have mutual friends, so it would have been
Speaker 1: she dropped me off. Megan literally dropped me off like
Speaker 1: a mom. So yeah, it's good. I'm glad you can.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. All right, Kels Baleria, this has
Speaker 1: been Um, I know that boy cat, how do you feel?
Speaker 1: It went good? So fun. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: freaked out about the marathing, but what you said nothing
Speaker 1: even remote. My god, No, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: get really nervous people. People get weird and like, you know,
Speaker 1: and these chairs are comfortable, and you just start saying stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, And then I was rocking in my chair
Speaker 1: and I don't know what. All Right, we're gonna go,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kelsey, and good luck with life next time