WEBVTT - Episode 33 - Kelsea Ballerini (1-24-17) 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.480 All right, Welcome to episode thirty three of the Bobby Cast. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:08.719 Here with Kelsey Ballerini and our sponsored blue apron and 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.360 one hundred flowers. Thank you to those guys. Hello Kelsey, Hello, 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.319 Do you know that the funny thing is I feel like, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.319 for the first timember, I actually researched you because I 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.200 was like, what in the world is there about Kelsey 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:22.640 that I didn't know? Because I was trying to find 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.880 an angle with these I did actually did I've done 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:27.600 something I did not know about you, And I'll get 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.720 to it in a second. But it was weird because 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.400 I mean, have we've known each other since? I mean 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.280 I've been here really two and a half years? Probably? Yeah. Ever, 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.559 I ain't funny, that's ever. But um so I started 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.919 looking things up. I didn't know you were in college here. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.000 I had no idea for two years. So you moved 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.279 out to Nashville at what age? Okay? So you move 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.959 out here and your mom comes with you. My mom 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.639 came with me. She got a job here from outside Knoxville. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.840 From Knoxville. Yeah, so you mean she gets a job here. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.360 What is it? You're a kid and you want to 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.560 move to Nashville and be an artist, and she just 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.119 moved and got a new job because of that. Well 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.880 it's funny. I started writing when I was twelve loved it, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.640 but I danced for ten years and then gym like 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.880 gymnastics and loved that too, And so I think I 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.400 liked a lot of things. But um, I think mom 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.319 kind of watched it go from like a hobby to 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.600 a passion, something that I was really really committed to 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.119 and not just doing in my spare time or whatever. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.000 And and so we started coming out here on the 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.240 weekends and you know, whenever we could, and just meeting 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.200 people and going to writers rounds and seeing what it 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.240 was about. At twelve, I had my first demo session 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.720 out here when I was like thirteen years old. People 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.280 back then it was when you hire a bunch of 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:57.520 studio musicians and you like have an engineer and they 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.600 come in and you play them your song. I played 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.720 it on gets are Um because I didn't have a 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.760 recording of it, and they do the Nashville number system, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.240 write it all down, go in, play your song like 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.560 two or three times down, and then go to the 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.040 next song, and it kind of turns into this big 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.440 I mean, it sounds like a record. So I did 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.440 that when I was thirteen, um, and I mean was 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.119 just like I thought it was the coolest thing ever. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:26.040 And actually, random story, there was a guy named Eddie Bear. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.160 He's a he's a drum player, huge, amazing drum player, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:35.560 UM studio drummer. And I remember this guy the engineer 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.520 was like, listen, like, these are really big studio musicians. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.280 They're probably not going to talk to you. They're going 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:42.920 to go in and do what they do. You know, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.720 they probably have three of these book today, four of 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.519 them book today. And so I remember being super intimidated, 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.040 but like really excited. There's three songs that written by 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.280 myself and they go in do their things. Sounds incredible. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.639 And afterwards Eddie Bear comes up to me. He's like, hey, 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.200 who did you write these songs with? And was like, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.519 I wrote him by myself, and I just remember you 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.079 looked at me. He was like keep doing what you're doing, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.519 and he walked out. And I'll never forget it because 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.919 I just was ready for no one to talk to me, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.440 and the fact that he talked to me and he 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.120 validated my songwriting was like the coolest thing ever to me. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.600 And then I started playing the opery and he's now 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.400 often the operaate drum player and you and I know 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.320 from playing the opera too. I played it a couple 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.240 of times ago, but you've told him the story to 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.080 have you remembered me? Do you remember me? He wasn't 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.760 there for my debut, but he was there the second 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.120 time and I walked up to him. I'm like, do 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.520 you remember me? He's like, remind me? And I was like, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.200 I was like thirteen years old and I had these songs, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.000 and he was like, I do remember you. You're with 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.960 your mom. And I was like, did you tell him though? 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.640 What he meant to you with those few words passing? 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.560 He probably doesn't remember. I did tell him absolutely, because 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.400 when you're like, when you're starting out, any bit of 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.040 just like validation is I mean, it's worth a lot. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.560 Does that affect you now when you talked to new 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.040 artists too, and you realize that a single sentence can 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:03.880 change really the life? Yeah, anyone. Yeah. I'm super careful 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.560 about what I say, and especially like the the outlook 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.200 I give on the music industry because so many people 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.160 are just like a little bitter, you know, a little grumpy, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.840 and I think it's important to not be like that. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.320 What is your outlook on the music industry. I mean, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.599 it's hard. That's I think a fair thing for anyone. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.400 I mean, on any side of it. I'm sure you 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:28.600 even think that, But I think that the biggest thing 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.279 that I've learned is just putting the people around you 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.120 that are going to make it enjoyable, you know what 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.720 I mean? Like the four a m. Wake up call 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.880 is the work part, not the on stage part, not 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.960 the studio part. You know, that's the fun part. The 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.040 work part is just like the crazy travel or the 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.360 being tired every now and again. Um that's the hard part. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.080 Back to you going to college here, what you got? 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.839 I didn't know. So you're here, you're living here? Did 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.599 you home school for high school? Oh? I went to 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.440 high school. She went to public high school. I went 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.120 to a new high school junior and senior year. It 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:11.599 was terrible. And so because again you're new and you're new, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.919 and I was in Williamson County where everyone's like really 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:19.680 cool and um my, the high school had uniforms. So 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.880 you go to this school. Are there other artists kids 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.400 there now that you look back at the time, or no, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.039 there were no other artist kids. But there were a 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.599 bunch of people that wanted to be singers. There were 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:31.960 a lot of us. Did any of them make it 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.240 out that you know that? It's still kicking around town. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.520 There's one girl, she was signed to Sony. Her name 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.239 is Jordan shell Heart. We were actually friends and um, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:40.960 we are friends and I wrote a song on my 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.200 album with there called second Hand Smoke. She's like stupid talented, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.960 So you have to high school with Yeah, I went 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.320 to high school with her. That's yeah, um, and she's 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.159 like she's incredible, she's writing. Still you finished high school 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.440 where you smart kids or no? Yeah? So grades wise, yeah, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.880 you're a smart kid. So you decided to go to 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.320 I went to It was weird. I when I moved 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.839 high school got really hard for me socially, just because 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:08.360 I wanted to be a singer and that's why I 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.640 moved here. So I was really kind of fixed on that. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.640 But grades were really important to me. I was kind 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:18.039 of nerdy and so, um. I ended up dual rolling 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.320 into college my senior year, and so I would go 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.359 to high school till before lunchtime and then everyone go 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.200 to lunch and I go to college. So in your 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.640 mind you're going to college to do what I didn't 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.760 really know. I took a lot of classes in like 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.279 communications and marketing because I kind of felt like it 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.840 would help me if I got to do music, um 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.599 and be an artist, and so that was kind of 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.240 what I did. And then I just did like Janette 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.960 so I could. I made this deal with my mom 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.400 when I moved to Nashville, and she was like, you 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.200 have to stay in school until you can make some 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.560 sort of a living out of music. So I just 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.040 kept doing it. So you go until win not what year, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.880 but until what level of college. UM. I left after 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.200 my sophomore year, so halfway. How difficult was it for 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.920 you to stop one to college? Not difficult? It wasn't. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.159 So it was well, I was super ready, like you 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.040 you found your calling and like you were able to 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.240 just kind of go, okay, is it. I didn't. I 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.560 didn't want to go. I was really I really fought 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.080 my mom on going to college. UM. Hindsight, I'm really 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.600 glad I did, not just for like the education part 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.520 of it, which I'm sure I learned a lot, but 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.760 just for the life part of it. I feel like 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.200 I needed to grow up a bit. I thought I 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.800 was ready when I wasn't. And did you move to 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.440 because you're talking about a close school, did you move 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.200 onto campus or do you still have it home with 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.360 your mom? So my mom was in Franklin the first 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.640 year I lived with my mom, and I had classes 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.600 on Tuesday Thursday just like sun up to sundown. And 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.440 then Monday, Wednesday Friday we're my music days. So I 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.120 just kind of venture around do whatever on those days. So, okay, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.240 sophomore year, you're gonna quit school. It doesn't sound like 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.280 it was a difficult decision because you found what you 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.440 wanted to do, but that means you're able to make 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.600 a living. So sophomore year I did. I lived on campus, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.760 did my whole year there. Um, And I mean I 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.960 took how many credits can you take? I forget now. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.440 I think I took like twenty eight credits. So I 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.960 was like super busy and was still doing music. Um, 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.600 it was super exhausted. My mom could see that, and 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.040 I was really trying to make it work. And then 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.280 I got offered a publishing deal. And so what publish 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.360 you is you go when you write not just for you, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.640 and you weren't writing for you. It wasn't the artist deal. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.720 You were just writing songs, and so they pay you 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.200 a little bit of money, a little bit, a little 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.120 bit of money, and you write songs and you hope 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.000 that a song gets picked up by an artist, that 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.400 you make money. You pay back all the money first 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.000 because the money is an advance, it's a loan back. Yeah, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:40.800 and then you want to make more than that after 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.160 because that's what you actually make. Yeah, So that's your goal. Yes, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.640 and you're writing songs that Did you write any songs 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.400 that any of the artists picked up? No? Never did 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.280 you ever feel like, man, these people that are paying 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.280 me to write, which, by the way, is your label, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.520 Black River, you feel like, man, maybe they're kind of 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.200 losing faith in me because I have no songs. No, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.600 Because I was really upfront about wanting to be an artist, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.480 and I was fine with like doing it in two 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.360 different steps, um, because I knew that I probably needed 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.360 to develop a bit before I was ready to do 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.520 an artist deal. But that was my that was my 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.320 end goal. Um. And so they even structured my publishing 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.800 deal to it was kind of like, all right, if 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.880 you get a cut on another artist, this is your percentage. Whatever. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.200 But if you are an artist and you cut one 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:28.920 of your own songs, you get co pub this is 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.679 you know what you get on this? So did they 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.440 feel like you were writing for you? Do you think? 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.400 I think that? I don't even I think I was 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.680 writing for both, because I have songs that I wrote 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.679 in that time, and even now that I'm like, I 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.760 love this song, it's just not for me. Um. But 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.000 I think once we wrote love Me, that was really 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.439 the first song that when we wrote that, we were like, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.520 this is like we're on something and we don't know 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.000 what yet. This might be me um. And then we 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.720 ended up writing like Peter Pan and all that, and 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.840 that's kind of when the record deal happened. We'll get 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:02.120 to the songs in the second when you walk to 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.920 I have six people on my wall that if they 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.280 called me, I would be like, what good or bad? 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.679 Good times, bad times, middle times? I would be like 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.679 that makes me happy, whatever you need and and and 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.840 I think four of the six have now come in. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.760 Jansen has been in, Eric Passley has been in. Maren 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.200 came in a couple of weeks ago. You're up on 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.480 the wall. You're probably the first, the first of all 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.760 of those and then Keith and all a little big town. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:32.280 I don't have microphones for a little big down I have, um, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 but yeah, I have a wall of Philip's the talker anyways, right, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.920 just give it to Philip. Yeah, they all have they 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.080 all have their moments. But that's that's my like my 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:45.559 wall of you know, if ever you need something, those 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.920 are like the six people that I would be like, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.200 you need a kidney or whatever. So you're on the wall. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.880 There's your face and there's that. That's a really terrible 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.679 picture as well. Um, you do look like one of 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.760 those kids on those shows here in the headlights. Well 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.000 you know those like those those kids that are like 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.880 eight but their mom puts tons of makeup on them. Yeah, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:13.120 what are those called? Because you're obviously really young in 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.280 that it's for love? I was, I mean, was I 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.840 twenty maybe whatever it is, had a baby face for 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.960 a long time. I think it's not like your forty 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.560 right now. I feel like I aged a lot. You've definitely, 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.120 MA sure a lot in the last couple of years. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.600 Ye tell me about this here, So you're talking about 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.959 writing the song. Yeah, where are you talking about? The room? 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:39.920 Who's in the room? This was such a random mistake song. Um, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.080 that wasn't a mistake we had. We were writing at 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.400 Black River. I was writing with um Josh Kerr that 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.040 day and um, Forest was writing with a guy named 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.160 Lance Carpenter that day. Um. And so we all get 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.280 done with our rights and we're like, hey, should we 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.080 try to all write together? Like we're all kind of 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.720 so you wrote separately, and they came together on this one. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.520 It was our second song of the day and UM, yeah, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.240 So we got together and we ordered soul Shine and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.920 we just kind of pizza. Yeah. Um, and we kind 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.600 of just posted up in like the the big lobby 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.800 area of the label, um, the upstairs by the fireplace, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:21.720 you know. Um and so yeah, and it was kind 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.840 of no pressure and we were sitting there, we were 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.960 catching up. We all we didn't really get a lot 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.880 of time together and um yeah, we're just talking, hanging 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.960 out and I think the first thing that came out, well, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.280 Forest actually who ended up producing the whole record. Um, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.719 he's like my musical partner. He's just that person for 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.160 me that I feel like it's my better half and 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.560 has really become that. And especially now even working on 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.120 the next record, is that even more so but um, 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.360 he was like, Hey, we're listening to Take a Bow 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.440 by Rihanna. I love pop music, and so we're listening 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.040 to that song and he was like, I really feel 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.880 like you should try to to do like that swag 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.680 that she does how she kind of like laughs after 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.320 she says a sassy lion all that stuff. And I 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.360 was like, I just don't know if I can pull 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.040 that off. You know, I didn't know because I was 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.920 I mean, I was nineteen at the time, maybe and 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.200 I don't know, just insecure an awkward and UM. So 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.199 he's like, let's just try it. And he started playing 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.760 the debt but a Dead Dada on the guitar and 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.200 and then we were all kind of like that if 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.400 you're gonna, don't know if you're gonna. We just loved 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.079 that done on a kind of melodic thing and um, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.040 and then we literally just wrote it like thirty minutes, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.920 and uh, I don't think we really thought anything of 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.960 it other than it was fun. But the moment for 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:46.120 me that I remember was Forest did a demo for it, um, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:52.240 and I sang the demo. So he did like a 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.640 basic track like guitar beat. I sang it like the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.800 next day, and then he did a demo for it, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.800 like built around my vocal and said it to me, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.199 I mean maybe a week and a half later, and 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.680 I remember putting on my headphones listening to this demo, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.920 being like, that's special. And I don't know why, because 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.160 it's not lyrically genius or anything, you know, but it's 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.719 special to me. And um in the label felt the 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.360 same way about it. So and it got pitched around 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.560 town to which I didn't know till later. So they 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.920 were trying to give the song to some other people. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.240 I didn't know that because I wasn't signed yet. Yeah, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.120 and um as you weren't okay, good, This is all 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.640 putting it into it to a place now. You weren't 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.160 signed as an artist when you wrote this song. It's 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:36.840 fair than they pitch it. Yeah, well yeah, yeah to you, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.000 it may not feel fair, but I was so up. Guys, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.640 this is the first one. I get it completely, But 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.600 looking at everyone thought it was way too pop. And 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.280 I think, and this is a kind of a weird 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.600 place for you right now, and so I'm really anxious 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.440 and listen, I've heard some of your You've sent me 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.200 some stuff on your second album and I'm exous for 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:55.560 it to come out because it's going to paint a 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.720 new you, because what what's happened with you as you 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.120 created this new niche in the format and now a bit. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.840 I don't think it's I don't think you're being penalized 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.440 for it. But I think this is your one record 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.240 and it got so big that people only know you 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.120 as the pop country girl. So now it's your goal 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.680 and this is just me talking, and it's your goal 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.560 with the second record to show your depth. Do you 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:25.040 feel that, Yes, I think that just talking super honestly, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:30.280 like I think that this first record, it was really 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.200 heavily embraced by radio, which was really epic. But I 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.760 think in doing that the industry absolutely it made you 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.200 not cool. It made me really not cool, and so 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.160 it was awesome because I was like radio's girl, which 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.560 I love, and I mean I did a twenty two 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.960 week radio tour. I mean like that means for those 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.280 who don't know, she's going to morning shows and radio 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.760 stations at five in the morning and singing and it's 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.800 miserable and it is and you're dealing. It's just and 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.240 you're going city to city the little station a little 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.800 station every single day doing the same thing over and 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.600 over and over and over again. Yeah, and it and 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.840 it it's it's paid off and it's been amazing and 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.600 that relationship has been amazing. But I think in in 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.720 that happening how it did, it made Nashville kind of 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:16.440 be like, but what a place to be because you're right, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.000 you put out this record and it it breaks records 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.000 and sets new standards and here you are, You're all 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.840 over all over TV. But you know how industry snooty 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.880 can be. So to the industry like they you know, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:33.960 you're not that cool, but everybody in the world you're 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.680 the coolest thing ever. And it's a weird dynamic because 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.600 you're blowing up. But then the people that are at home, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.040 you're like that you want to to like be like, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.600 oh kelcy um. So you're like, oh, they don't think 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.760 I'm cool because my song sound poppy. It was. It's 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.040 a huge and security of mine. Yeah, And and the 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.280 thing for me like my biggest goal right now, and 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.920 like I'm in Nashville right now, like I have two 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.320 and a half weeks to finish my record essentially, and 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.720 I'm writing twice a day. I'm writing after this I 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.320 wrote this morning, like I'm just like trying to drain 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.560 myself of that because if anything, like, I just want 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.679 people to know I'm a songwriter on this next album. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.000 That's the most important thing to me. And what's funny. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.200 You're such a long writer, you know. I mean I 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.440 used to play yourself and I know, and we would 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.120 drive for hours and hours and hours and you would 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.800 play songs, and you're very much a songwriter. But I 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.080 saw it as it was happening, and as you were exploding. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.879 I saw you exploding in one way and becoming industry 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.119 less cool at the same time. And it's such a 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.040 weird anomaly. It's so weird, like the bigger you got 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.840 but you screw them, because I'm gonna tell you in 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.400 a sort of way that that's happened to me too, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.879 where it's like, you know what, I'm just gonna be 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.040 me and that's really all you can be. It's yes, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.680 it's Carrie, Carrie her Khalil line. This sounds so lame, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.000 but her trademark or whatever is stay the path, Stay 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.560 your path. And I'm like, I always have to tell 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.920 myself that because I'm always comparing myself to every other 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.600 chick artists, and I'm like, dude, just like do what 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.680 you're doing. But you know, it's funny every chick artist 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.160 compare themselves to you now and you probably don't feel 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.080 that way, but they do. And I and I get 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.440 to talk to a lot of them. They all are like, man, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.480 I just really want to do what Kelsey does. And 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.000 you are that. You're the next You're the first of 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.000 the next wave. And that's it's pressure too. It's a 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.600 lot of pressure too, because you have to put out 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.679 a second record and the next record that you really do. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.399 It's a lot of pressure. But the good thing for 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.320 you is you also you create your content. You're not 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.919 just not picking and and that's a and that's a 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:39.359 different skill sell setting itself. But you're right, and a 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.320 lot of people don't. Yeah, So you can actually create 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.800 your own path, which even if you lose, if you're 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.120 creating your own path, at least you lose at least 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.560 you lose. By creating, you don't have to get someone 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.080 else's boat and sink. You get to build your own 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.520 boat and sink. And there's so much more into that 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.120 than it is just falling with it. So um, love 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.600 me comes out yeah, love it comes out wonderful song. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.760 Who picks it? By the way, like when it was 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.679 across the board, we just knew we we had a meeting, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.720 just I think for the sake of having a meeting. Um, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.320 and we all sat around and I don't even know 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.239 if I had management at the time. I don't think 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.480 I had management. Yet you didn't because your management I 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.200 remember meeting you're now manager in St. Louis when he 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.600 came to one of our Yes, you're right, you're right. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.879 So I didn't have management. It was just me in 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.800 my label and we all which is not a good 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.840 place to be, by the way, you want to always 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.280 have someone there. But again, you pick a good song, 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.320