Speaker 1: Swine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio.
Speaker 2: Sarah's back. Last week it was just we.
Speaker 3: Had too much fun.
Speaker 2: It was too hot to handle, too hot to handle.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a very hot show today too.
Speaker 2: Because I'm staring at a picture of Nicole Williams. She's hot,
Speaker 2: she is wants to move this paper away from you,
Speaker 2: bib Sorry, she's a wag. Which, by the way, I'm
Speaker 2: going to feel bad again. So remember how last week
Speaker 2: I felt like I was judging. I felt bad for judging. Well,
Speaker 2: I never watched Wags because I was just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, these these professional athlete wives have so much problems,
Speaker 2: like so many problems in their life that just I
Speaker 2: don't know. But I'm excited to meet her.
Speaker 1: Weren't you a professional athlete wife?
Speaker 2: Am I like so confused looking at her?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure I wasn't absolutely losing
Speaker 1: my marbles because I haven't like I don't have a coffee,
Speaker 1: but but I.
Speaker 2: Mean, no, you know what I mean, I actually don't.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sarah, Wait wait, I'm confused. Wait you
Speaker 2: don't think that you're I'm so confused. Yes, I am
Speaker 2: the wife of a football player. But for former. Yes, so,
Speaker 2: but I just never like, when I saw the Wags,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, they're they look different than me.
Speaker 2: I'm she just walked in. She looks different than me.
Speaker 2: She's you know, so what is happening? He Nichol Williams.
Speaker 2: So I basically just got called out.
Speaker 1: She literally just tried to sit here and say, I
Speaker 1: just like, can't you know, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like I couldn't relate to the to
Speaker 2: the Wags because but then Sarah just goes, yeah, but
Speaker 2: you're you're married.
Speaker 1: A wag, a wag, you were whive and girlfriend of
Speaker 1: sport you for.
Speaker 2: But I just but again, you even saw the show
Speaker 2: and you rolled your eyes. Don't mine now about what
Speaker 2: wags the girls.
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about that. I'm still suck on the
Speaker 4: whole situation.
Speaker 5: You don't consider him a pro.
Speaker 4: I know at the end of our relationship was still playing,
Speaker 4: but I still play.
Speaker 2: No, I know, So, Okay, fine, I'm a wag, but
Speaker 2: I just like, like what they like, own it, own it.
Speaker 2: I'm a wag. Well, Larry doesn't play anymore. So I'm
Speaker 2: a former your former Okay, I guess I just you
Speaker 2: guys just seem like just so beautiful and and so
Speaker 2: are Waggy looked in lately?
Speaker 1: I know, I like, look at you. Oh she gave
Speaker 1: birth like a minute ago too, Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: he likes to tell everyone are you still on Wags?
Speaker 1: No shows is done. We did three seasons and did
Speaker 1: you have fun?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was fun, it was good. It was a great experience.
Speaker 2: How are the girls? See, I just feel like I
Speaker 2: couldn't relate to those girls. Maybe that's why. But see,
Speaker 2: you seem really sweet. So that's my whole point. Let
Speaker 2: me just circle back around here. My whole point was
Speaker 2: that last week I maybe had judged one of the
Speaker 2: people we had on the show because she was dating.
Speaker 2: She found her partner while he was in prison, so
Speaker 2: so exactly, so you kind of have that that's weird,
Speaker 2: so a little I was a little judgmental in the
Speaker 2: very beginning, which is wrong. And so I said, I feel.
Speaker 4: Bad because athletes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Stop stop. What I said was, I'm gonna feel bad
Speaker 2: because I also prejudged the Wags before I met you.
Speaker 2: And I said, because I can't relate to a you
Speaker 2: can't relate to a beautiful woman. Like, I literally can't
Speaker 2: listen to you say that again. Well, I'm just and
Speaker 2: maybe it's because, yes, I didn't meet my husband after
Speaker 2: his professional career or on the outs of it. But
Speaker 2: so when I saw the show, I just didn't relate
Speaker 2: to it. And you guys looked all beautiful, and you
Speaker 2: guys were really yelling and having all these problems, and like,
Speaker 2: how hard can it really be?
Speaker 1: You're married to a I would actually like to tell
Speaker 1: you what could be her problem? How long did you
Speaker 1: guys date before you got married?
Speaker 2: Six years? Thank you? I'm with my boyfriend six years.
Speaker 2: Right now, she's got to struggle and I give it
Speaker 2: to her. So Nicole, maybe you can help my girlfriend
Speaker 2: Sarah out. She gave him an ultimatum that said, she said,
Speaker 2: if I don't have the ring by New Year's I'm gone.
Speaker 2: It's what month is it here?
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: You have to try, right, you got to like light
Speaker 1: a fire, well if it were not ready, like I
Speaker 1: can go full psycho, but I'm not ready to go full.
Speaker 2: Psycho yet, right, So how did you get the ring?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: Did you wag out?
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 6: I was actually really patient, but until like the last
Speaker 6: the last year, like the year he proposed was like
Speaker 6: the year where he was like, oh god, she really
Speaker 6: wants My thing was, I'm getting older. I want to
Speaker 6: start a fan. I'm thirty five. Okay, me too, So
Speaker 6: I wanted, oh my god, we could be friends.
Speaker 2: See we have a lot in common already. Okay, same age.
Speaker 6: So I was just like, I want to start a family.
Speaker 6: I'm really old fashioned and I don't like things going
Speaker 6: backwards on the same.
Speaker 2: Right. It's crazy.
Speaker 6: So I'm not I'm not having a baby. I'm not
Speaker 6: doing any of that. Saying like we already lived together.
Speaker 6: That's bad enough for me because I was like, I
Speaker 6: want to do it all in order, so we live together.
Speaker 2: That where are you from Toronto?
Speaker 6: I was born in Newfoundland, so I'm a really small
Speaker 6: small town all yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Moved to Toronto at fourteen. I love Toronto. I think
Speaker 2: I got okay, So okay, so you want to go
Speaker 2: in order ahead? Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I was just like, this is just crazy, Like
Speaker 6: we already lived together, we have our first house together,
Speaker 6: we've been together for so long. Why are we not
Speaker 6: even talking about marriage? But you want to talk about
Speaker 6: kids us. All he wants to do is talk about children,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, let's come on.
Speaker 2: Let's go in order here.
Speaker 6: And finally he actually proposed to me on an episode
Speaker 6: of Wags and we got Yeah, we got married on
Speaker 6: the season finale.
Speaker 2: So I think that he was just waiting.
Speaker 6: He's he's also he also likes everything to be like
Speaker 6: very perfect, not necessarily in order, but when he has
Speaker 6: an idea, like he wanted to really make it a
Speaker 6: surprise and do it when I'm least expecting it, and
Speaker 6: I was. I felt like I was always expecting it,
Speaker 6: So he didn't want to like give me, you know,
Speaker 6: he didn't want to do it that way.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm just gonna wait till she gives up.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally, that's where I'm not your way out. Honestly, That's
Speaker 2: like the thing. Oh my god, did you guys? What
Speaker 2: was I mean? Did you trust him the entire time?
Speaker 2: So when Larry and I first met.
Speaker 6: I was a little skeptical because he was an athlete,
Speaker 6: and I've dated an athlete prior, which sport football, So
Speaker 6: I was already like, we already tested that out. So
Speaker 6: when I met him, obviously, you know he looks like
Speaker 6: a football player. I could already tell Yeah. When we
Speaker 6: first met, I was very hesitant, and so it took
Speaker 6: about two months for him to get me on a date.
Speaker 6: Like we'd text and stuff, but I was like, I'm
Speaker 6: newly single. I'm not going back down that road.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: They get the stereotype obviously, yes, but then there's also
Speaker 6: something that tells you like, oh my god, he seems
Speaker 6: like such a great guy.
Speaker 2: He's like a mom is why always time out? Why
Speaker 2: are you looking at me like that? You you were
Speaker 2: the stereotype like so, and he's looking at me.
Speaker 4: Last week. All right, let's keep it going, baby.
Speaker 2: He's like looking at me like, see, we're not all
Speaker 2: like that. You were like that, so don't even give
Speaker 2: me that stereotypical mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: So we already have a wall up when it comes
Speaker 6: to like any athlete, just because of what we see,
Speaker 6: what we hear, what we might have been through. So
Speaker 6: I did have that wall up, and it was like
Speaker 6: a secure wall. So he really had to like take
Speaker 6: each brick out one by one. It took like two
Speaker 6: months and then I was like, okay, we can go
Speaker 6: to dinner. And then you know, I'm just like I
Speaker 6: felt like I was judging everything that he did because
Speaker 6: I was just so like, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Were almost wanting it to not work. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is just not going to work.
Speaker 6: And I was so against the whole athlete thing, and
Speaker 6: I was like, we can be friends. But then he
Speaker 6: was just like so different. But then you tell yourself,
Speaker 6: You're like, of course he's so different. He wants to
Speaker 6: date you. He's gonna like, you know, you're beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 6: So I gave him. I gave him a while before
Speaker 6: we started like really dating seriously. I think we met
Speaker 6: in like December, and we started seriously dating like the
Speaker 6: end of March.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: So he wanted to like introduce me to his mom
Speaker 6: right away, and he was like I found it really
Speaker 6: cool that, like he just has a sister and his mom.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe he is different.
Speaker 6: He was raised, you know, by women, and he has
Speaker 6: a little sister, so he knows how to he knows
Speaker 6: how women should be treated.
Speaker 2: Start your ring. It's like blindly, Oh I saw it
Speaker 2: minutes ago.
Speaker 4: My god, it.
Speaker 6: Is so pretty. Do you how long if he hasn't married,
Speaker 6: then we've been married. It'll be two years in May.
Speaker 2: Have you guys started the baby making process not yet.
Speaker 6: Actually, which is so weird because I thought when we
Speaker 6: got married, i'd be like, Okay, let's go yeah. And
Speaker 6: I think even in the season finale Wags, I was like,
Speaker 6: all right, do you want to start working on a
Speaker 6: baby nouse? You know, everybody was like get married, get married,
Speaker 6: and now they're like one of you have them babies,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, it's been almost two years. So I
Speaker 6: just think that it's all timing right now. Our careers are,
Speaker 6: you know, Larry's very busy and I'm very busy, and
Speaker 6: we're both traveling a lot, so it's just hard to
Speaker 6: like make like a plan to like really go for it.
Speaker 6: But I think we're getting more now into let's just
Speaker 6: see what happens and let it all happen naturally. But
Speaker 6: we're not really like planning it, so we'll see what.
Speaker 6: You have a baiting suit line? Now?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: So what inspired you to make a bathing suit line?
Speaker 6: So I've been modeling since I was like twelve years old,
Speaker 6: so I was very heavy into fashion and then moving
Speaker 6: to LA I was actually living in New York for
Speaker 6: seven years and then when I moved to LA's when
Speaker 6: I met Larry, and then also when I moved here
Speaker 6: because of the weather here, naturally, like the jobs that
Speaker 6: I was booking was a lot of swim where, a
Speaker 6: lot of.
Speaker 2: Beach stuff, a lot of lingerie.
Speaker 6: Like it was just a body, body, body, body, body,
Speaker 6: And I wasn't used to that because being in New York,
Speaker 6: I was just doing more fashion, more editorial, right, So
Speaker 6: I just started noticing, like, swimsuits are not like it's
Speaker 6: it's very hard to find something like for every body type,
Speaker 6: every size yet, you know, because I was working with
Speaker 6: girls who were like skinny and working with you know,
Speaker 6: plus size women, and I just found like, I was like,
Speaker 6: why don't I just try to like do this. My
Speaker 6: mom was a seamstress growing up, so she, you know,
Speaker 6: was always sowing all my clothes, making all my Halloween costumes.
Speaker 6: And if there was anything that I wanted, my mom
Speaker 6: be like, I can make that for you, and she'd
Speaker 6: literally get on her sewing machine in and.
Speaker 2: Like I'd have an outfit like that.
Speaker 6: So I think a part of watching my mom so
Speaker 6: and a part of being you know, a model being
Speaker 6: in the fashion world wanted I just wanted to. I
Speaker 6: wanted to make something that you know, could make every
Speaker 6: girl feel what size do you go up to?
Speaker 2: I go up to a large right now.
Speaker 6: But I'm expanding right now and I want to so
Speaker 6: extra small to large now and I want to go
Speaker 6: I want to go to like double I think I'm
Speaker 6: going to go to double XELF maybe.
Speaker 2: My next collection. That's awesome.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I started off like more sexy and like
Speaker 6: more unique pieces that you can wear to like beach
Speaker 6: parties and stuff like that, to incorporate it, like wearing
Speaker 6: wearing a body suits. And then my I just get
Speaker 6: feedback from my customers and I listen to what they
Speaker 6: say and what they want and where are you selling
Speaker 6: them at? So right now it's online only. Okay, what's
Speaker 6: the website?
Speaker 2: Nealynn Collection? So that's n I a l y and
Speaker 2: N collection dot com. What is your biggest issue with Larry?
Speaker 2: The biggest issue? Jump right? And I just like to
Speaker 2: just get real person like the relationships. It's just like
Speaker 2: what is it, Like, what do you guys fight about
Speaker 2: the most or what just really gets you just pissed
Speaker 2: off at him? She's like, where do I start and
Speaker 2: then just walk on out?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I was just like, did you guys fight a lot?
Speaker 1: When you like did you fight about being married before
Speaker 1: you're married, Like I want to get married.
Speaker 2: I want to get married. Yeah, and then and then
Speaker 2: you got married in.
Speaker 6: And then I got married, and then I just I'm
Speaker 6: so let's just start off, I saying I'm really stubborn.
Speaker 6: So he is, like I feel like he's like a genius.
Speaker 6: He's the smartest person I know. And anytime he's he
Speaker 6: like reads thousands of books. And right now, every time
Speaker 6: I feel like he's into a book where he's like,
Speaker 6: right now he's reading grain Brain.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of that? Okay?
Speaker 6: So now every time I eat something, he's staring in
Speaker 6: my face like leave me alone.
Speaker 2: Like every time a bottle eat food, okay, he's like
Speaker 2: there's gluten in that, and there's this and that. I'm
Speaker 2: like okay.
Speaker 6: And anytime he reads something or like learns a new
Speaker 6: way of, you know, doing something, he'll like preach and
Speaker 6: he'll like sit down and want to teach me and
Speaker 6: like preach it to me, and I'm like, can you
Speaker 6: please let me learn things on my own? I like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's enough just watching you do the right thing. I
Speaker 6: can kind of grasp and want to do it too,
Speaker 6: and like follow you. But when he tries to like
Speaker 6: show me, like you should do it like this, and
Speaker 6: do it this, and you should do this, I'm just like, babe,
Speaker 6: oh my god, Like it's just pushing me further and
Speaker 6: further from it, Like when you try to force me
Speaker 6: to do something. Yeah, that's that's super frust That's definitely
Speaker 6: one thing that really pisses me up. I want to
Speaker 6: be able to learn on my own. I'm that type
Speaker 6: of person. I pick up on whatever like I can.
Speaker 6: I feed off of his energy. I watch what he's
Speaker 6: doing and it makes me want to do it. But
Speaker 6: when he sits me down and tries to like make
Speaker 6: me read, like look, I highlighted this in this.
Speaker 2: Book, stop and he'll highlight it.
Speaker 6: So now he's gotten to the point where he'll go
Speaker 6: to bed and he'll be reading at night. When I
Speaker 6: wake up, there's a book on the counter with like
Speaker 6: it's all highlighted, So.
Speaker 1: I should stop highlighting rings and giving it.
Speaker 6: Right, He's like, I know you're not going to pick
Speaker 6: up a book and read it, so I just highlighted
Speaker 6: it and just leave it out and if you feel
Speaker 6: like you want to read it, you could read it.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, So that's there's that. I love that. Well,
Speaker 2: you're you're really sweet. Do you drink wine? I drink?
Speaker 2: We can be friends for real.
Speaker 6: And Larry just told me yesterday actually that a glass
Speaker 6: of red wine a day is really good for.
Speaker 2: You, very good.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, she says it all.
Speaker 2: Everybody you know that. It's It's true.
Speaker 1: She's a whine.
Speaker 2: Oh Nicole, You're so sweet. I love you. Thank you
Speaker 2: for coming on. Everyone, go get her collection again. It's
Speaker 2: n I A L Y n N collection dot com.
Speaker 2: And you're just what's your Instagram? It's Justice Nick with
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Speaker 2: So this next guest, guests, this says how do you
Speaker 2: say that? Guests?
Speaker 4: The next guests?
Speaker 2: Okay, the next guests.
Speaker 4: But it's like, as like we asked for risks.
Speaker 2: I'm really our time saying risks because I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: it sounds like an echo risks. It's just very strange.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Anyways, I'm gonna be really honest.
Speaker 2: I might be a little quiet in this next interview.
Speaker 2: Oh great, I'm super triggered.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, I'm not. I want to know everything.
Speaker 2: But I think it's I'm gonna be very I'm I'm
Speaker 2: judgmental over it and I'm triggered about it.
Speaker 4: Well and speak on that, because it's interesting. When I
Speaker 4: was watching that like a primo video, that Toy had
Speaker 4: sent one of the couples. I don't remember which one
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: We're talking about sister wives.
Speaker 4: Yes, one of the couples. Which one was it, but
Speaker 4: basically the same kind of deal. The the potential sister
Speaker 4: wife and the husband were texting and the wife was
Speaker 4: reading their conversation and it basically kind of seemed like
Speaker 4: they were sextying a little bit. And the wife was like,
Speaker 4: this is this feels like cheating to me? But the
Speaker 4: white and the wife was like, I'm not Actually, I
Speaker 4: don't think I'm okay with this.
Speaker 5: Was this Dimitrian Ashley?
Speaker 4: No, this was not Dmitrian Ashley. This is another couple.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: They brought her on board as a wife.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8: This was just like the teaser for this season. Well,
Speaker 8: can you ex play the basics of this. This is
Speaker 8: a guy married to multiple women.
Speaker 9: Right now, he's married to Ashley, but Vanessa is here,
Speaker 9: and he is courting Vanessa to be the sister wife.
Speaker 8: Right, but the actually sisters, they're just multiple because because legally,
Speaker 8: polygamy is not legal in any state.
Speaker 4: Right, But so there cannot be another Salt Lake you ta, No,
Speaker 4: they know their thing is actually even stricter where you
Speaker 4: cannot have a marriage license with another person. But even
Speaker 4: in Utah, you cannot have another adult living with you
Speaker 4: that has some type of marital relationship with you in
Speaker 4: the same house.
Speaker 2: Well, then how do they have this TV show?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm I'm so confused.
Speaker 9: Did you all ever watch Big Love? No, it was
Speaker 9: an amazingly good show on HBO. I didn't Bill Paxton
Speaker 9: or Bill Paxton he did, I know, God rest his soul.
Speaker 9: He had three wives and they each had different houses,
Speaker 9: all next to each other. But they were always in
Speaker 9: fear of getting caught, getting arrested.
Speaker 5: I guess you can arrest it.
Speaker 2: Oh, so they don't. They have a TV show. They
Speaker 2: have a TV show about this, so the cops can
Speaker 2: go to their house. They know what's going on. So
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm super confused. Just so I know where
Speaker 2: you stand, Sarah, where do you stand on this?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not kidding, I'm just a little confused.
Speaker 1: So this man is married to all these women or
Speaker 1: he's just dating these women, He's he's.
Speaker 4: Married to one, he's married to Ashley. And then the
Speaker 4: whole concept is that they bring in another or female
Speaker 4: as another quote unquote wife like acts like a wife,
Speaker 4: but legally is not. So that's the thing I want
Speaker 4: to ask them. How do they act like what's the
Speaker 4: must be a wife? So, but legally they're not. Legally
Speaker 4: they're not allowed to be.
Speaker 2: Where you stand on this, Michael, what's your stance on it?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't believe in polygamy?
Speaker 2: Well I have a question for you.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 2: They're basically just having an open affair, So you believe
Speaker 2: in closed doors affairs. I'm obviously not anymore. But it's
Speaker 2: like an open affair.
Speaker 4: It's like an open relationship because people are consensual. There's
Speaker 4: not an affair if it's if she agreed, if Ashley agrees, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just being Devil's advocate and I'm being are you.
Speaker 4: Words into into aship?
Speaker 2: I'm just being super triggered. So I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you're you don't agree with this, but you agree with
Speaker 2: closed door affairs?
Speaker 4: When did I say agree?
Speaker 3: My heart is racing.
Speaker 4: Agree with you.
Speaker 2: That's because that's what you did. So I'm like, that's what.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I agreed with it, but we might
Speaker 1: find out that maybe, like one of these girls is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually down with it.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna get them, but don't feel like you have
Speaker 9: to hold back you you want to say maybe with
Speaker 9: like a nice tone.
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, my heart is why are you staring
Speaker 2: at me like that?
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at you.
Speaker 8: I'm just you're not using a nice tone with your husband.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, everybody whoa Okay?
Speaker 2: Sorry, Mark, but I just I get very upset.
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I get it because
Speaker 1: it is I mean, I get it.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I was just saying like, oh, I don't agree with this,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, oh, but you agree on doing I'm sorry, Mark,
Speaker 2: is this better? Tone?
Speaker 5: You agree?
Speaker 2: But you agree with having an affair on your wife?
Speaker 2: That's better?
Speaker 4: What when did I say I agree with Like all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you put words in my mouth. Doesn't
Speaker 4: mean I agree with it.
Speaker 2: But you but okay, so but you did it.
Speaker 4: Though right, and I was wrong?
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Speaker 4: Thanks, Honny, You're welcome, sweetheart. So now here in the
Speaker 4: studio we have Dimitri, Ashley, and Vanessa from Sister Wives
Speaker 4: on TLC.
Speaker 10: And it's actually Seeking Sister Wife.
Speaker 4: Seeking Sister Wife. I'm sorry, that's another show. Good to know.
Speaker 4: You're right, you're redirected the second season of Seeking Sister
Speaker 4: Wife Wife.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Dmitri, you are married to Ashley. How long
Speaker 2: have you guys? Been married?
Speaker 6: For?
Speaker 2: Nine plus years?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Nine plus years? Okay? And Vanessa over there you are
Speaker 2: wanting to marry her as well. Yeah, so you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to like, h educate, educate me because I am
Speaker 2: married to my husband and I do not want another
Speaker 2: female in our relationship ever.
Speaker 4: Which no, just full disclosure. I did have an affair.
Speaker 4: There's infidelity in our relationship that was two and a
Speaker 4: half years ago with discovery and that we've recovered in
Speaker 4: our marriage and relationship. So that's something that we've gone through.
Speaker 4: So that added element to this whole situation that Janna
Speaker 4: feels a little bit triggered because of the things that
Speaker 4: we've been through in our personal relationship. So it's just
Speaker 4: interesting to us just because of what we've been through.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that is where forgive me the tone comes in.
Speaker 4: It's not directed towards any of you.
Speaker 2: Yes, all, I'm just are you okay with us? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why you signed up for them?
Speaker 11: I studied an anthropology, so I have a completely different outlook
Speaker 11: on polygamy as a viable family dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's not emotional for me.
Speaker 11: It's like, I respect and value the communal, feminine centered
Speaker 11: family unit. I feel like working with another woman cooperatively
Speaker 11: together to raise a family and to create businesses, you know,
Speaker 11: build a life together. It's just stronger in my mind,
Speaker 11: and I've seen it, you know, in my academic studies,
Speaker 11: and I wanted to recreate that for myself.
Speaker 2: And do you guys have kids?
Speaker 3: We do?
Speaker 2: How many kids three, You have three kids, and how
Speaker 2: are the kids around us? I mean, is do you
Speaker 2: see it? Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, they love having an extra mommy, you.
Speaker 8: Know, around they don't know any different children or when
Speaker 8: they're in their native environment, they don't. They don't know,
Speaker 8: like you don't know you're broken to people make fun
Speaker 8: of you, you know what I mean. So it just
Speaker 8: is like you don't have to explain or define monogamy.
Speaker 8: You don't have to explain. I mean, you define in
Speaker 8: the context everyone else may perceive you, but it's just
Speaker 8: it just literally is.
Speaker 11: And they're younger too, so six they news the oldest.
Speaker 11: She's six, Nil's four, and then Kannadia is one. So
Speaker 11: how do you go about finding Vanessa?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: What was what was that? Like, Hey, we're married, do
Speaker 2: you want to join in on our marriage? Or how
Speaker 2: did that conversation start? I'll answer that, Okay, take it away, Vanessa.
Speaker 3: So kind of a longster, I'll try to keep it short.
Speaker 3: Last year sometime I was on Twitter and I saw
Speaker 3: this show Seeking Sister Wife trending pretty high, and I
Speaker 3: was like, what is this. I've heard of Seeking or
Speaker 3: regular sister wives, but you know, Seeking Sister Wives, and
Speaker 3: people were talking about this other wife on the show,
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, this show sounds juicy. Let
Speaker 3: me check it out. This sounds nuts. So I started
Speaker 3: watching it falls to you know, Mormon, white, traditional polygamist families,
Speaker 3: and then I see Ashley Dimitri and I was like,
Speaker 3: whoa polygamis can look like this? And they seem so
Speaker 3: like cool and normal and you know, kind of like me.
Speaker 3: But I was still kind of like, you know, polygamies
Speaker 3: for like other people, because I get it, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I for what have been cheated on in the past,
Speaker 3: and it's the secrecy and the going behind the back
Speaker 3: and everything. With this, it's all out in the open,
Speaker 3: like she wants me here. And so anyways, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of getting off track here. But when I started thinking
Speaker 3: about it, I'm like, Okay, Like I love men exclusively,
Speaker 3: but when I live with my friends that are girls,
Speaker 3: it's so much fun, Like we have fun and everything.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Okay, with this type of situation, I
Speaker 3: could have an awesome husband and an awesome, you know,
Speaker 3: best friend to live with who could share motherhood and
Speaker 3: all that and have it all in one house.
Speaker 2: So you guys, don't hook up them, no, Okay, no.
Speaker 4: So there's so many questions. I'm trying to get them
Speaker 4: all in order. How long? So you guys have been
Speaker 4: married almost ten years? When did this? Has this been
Speaker 4: from the beginning? You guys have kind of day been
Speaker 4: polygamous day one? Yeah, since day zero? And then I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: it is day zero. When I met her, I was like,
Speaker 4: my name is Dmitri.
Speaker 8: I'm a workaholic, I drool when I'm really tired, and
Speaker 8: this is my vision version of the family unit, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean. So I didn't want to waste time,
Speaker 8: fat off the bone. Let's get straight to it. If
Speaker 8: we're going to fail, it's fail fast for sure. Had
Speaker 8: that and she didn't say no.
Speaker 11: Okay, And again I didn't say no because it wasn't
Speaker 11: new for me. It was something that I had heard
Speaker 11: of before, and I just thought it was the universe's
Speaker 11: way of playing a little joke, getting me prepared for
Speaker 11: this new life that I was going to be living.
Speaker 4: So have you guys had a sister wife before in
Speaker 4: y'all's relationship or is this the first time? Like you're
Speaker 4: really are you just seeking a new one? Or have
Speaker 4: you guys had one in the past?
Speaker 11: I mean We've dated quite a bit over the years.
Speaker 11: We had a lot of growing to do, a lot
Speaker 11: of mistakes to make figuring, you know, things out more the.
Speaker 10: Mistakes on my side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: It's just you know, this is this thing where you
Speaker 8: have to buifur kate like the immaturity of being a guy,
Speaker 8: right versus like a functioning adult relationship.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's going to be my question, how did
Speaker 1: you look at it? Not as cheating or you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like how were you like this? Like
Speaker 1: do you have other partners or is it just him?
Speaker 3: And then how is that? I would be like, well, wait,
Speaker 3: well I.
Speaker 8: Don't just come home with a chick and say like,
Speaker 8: well here you go, like just make it work like
Speaker 8: it's a consensus.
Speaker 11: Well initially he was like you fine, And that was
Speaker 11: hard because you know, the shows weren't out yet. People
Speaker 11: weren't aware of this even being a real thing outside
Speaker 11: of a book. So it was like you find her.
Speaker 11: And then I was like, well, I don't know how
Speaker 11: to talk to girls, Like how do I.
Speaker 8: You know, because women know women better than men. We
Speaker 8: just doing our threshold and requirements are this big. Doesn't
Speaker 8: take a lot for a man, just just be alive
Speaker 8: and we're happy, you know what I mean. And I'm
Speaker 8: being consertious, but like, and.
Speaker 11: I've had I've had women that were more interested in me,
Speaker 11: and I'm like, well, that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel like it would be so
Speaker 1: hard to be like I.
Speaker 11: Just yeah, yeah, I mean and then or if the
Speaker 11: woman was more interested in him, yeah, because I'm.
Speaker 1: Super jealous, so I would go absolutely.
Speaker 5: Well, I could do too, And so how did you like? Well?
Speaker 3: So here here it is for me. And this is
Speaker 3: a testament to Ashley because coming in as this second woman,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, oh easy, you know, she built
Speaker 3: this whole family and life and children. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: being the first wife and doing that and then being
Speaker 3: open arms to me. So that's how gracious she is.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like, oh, here I am paying
Speaker 3: love me kids, Hey, guys, you know it's it's been
Speaker 3: so much easier for me.
Speaker 2: So are you gonna have kids with Dmitri? I mean
Speaker 2: I would love to and you would be okay with
Speaker 2: that absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Did the TV element make this way easier? I would
Speaker 9: think that a little bit of fame, a little bit
Speaker 9: of notoriety. I'm sure you've got haters, but like having
Speaker 9: more public did that make it easier.
Speaker 11: You mean to find easier to find or easier to.
Speaker 9: Sort of live in a society that maybe isn't as
Speaker 9: accepting of this.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's it's probably if you try affect
Speaker 8: it out. Everyone's got their different perspective. For me, it
Speaker 8: never matted it just because I just it just is
Speaker 8: like I'm going to live this way regardless. I don't
Speaker 8: need your approval, I don't need your your confirmation like
Speaker 8: this is what's going to happen. So no, it didn't
Speaker 8: make it. It didn't change anything in per se. It
Speaker 8: brought more awareness to it, and quite frankly, probably more scrutiny.
Speaker 8: So I have to not really defend but educate. If
Speaker 8: people really want to understand why and what, then it's
Speaker 8: more that conversation has been brought forward.
Speaker 4: What tells you to have that mindset of this is
Speaker 4: what a family dynamic looks like for you guys. I
Speaker 4: actually you said you studied anthropology and everything, But for Dimitri, like,
Speaker 4: what was it? Was it your upbringing? Was it religious beliefs?
Speaker 4: Is it just something you realized on your own.
Speaker 8: Yeah, something I've realized on my own, not religious solve
Speaker 8: to spiritual. There's him her, They out there for sure
Speaker 8: doing it. For me, it's about feminine centricity. I feel
Speaker 8: like the the ability to take care and labor this
Speaker 8: real world is the man is the job of a man,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I think women should be
Speaker 8: able to express their creative freedom. So if I can
Speaker 8: take care of you know, work and bills and all
Speaker 8: that good jazz, they can birth epic things. And that
Speaker 8: could be in a form of children, of course, or
Speaker 8: it could be in the context of companies or projects
Speaker 8: or just passion, projects.
Speaker 10: Could be whatever.
Speaker 2: What if she wanted to have another man?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean, and she can speak to this
Speaker 8: as well, right for us? I mean that changes the dynamic.
Speaker 8: This is how this is well because what we're doing
Speaker 8: is called polygamy or polygyny polygyny specific specifically, if we
Speaker 8: have another man, it would change to polyandry or polyamory,
Speaker 8: so they're different relational constructs. We agreed to and understood
Speaker 8: that we're going to do polygamy, so one masculine energy,
Speaker 8: multiple feminine energies, and if that changes, that's fine. We'll
Speaker 8: probably cry and scream and just part of ways that's
Speaker 8: not what we initially.
Speaker 2: But if she just wants to, like because if you
Speaker 2: get to sleep with two women, if she wants to
Speaker 2: go out and have a you know, screw another dude,
Speaker 2: why why is that a problem that she's not going
Speaker 2: to mess up that scenario. But if I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're getting it, I feel like that's a little Well.
Speaker 11: It depends on the relationship, as Deme truth saying, like,
Speaker 11: for our relationship specifically, we signed up for the feminine
Speaker 11: aspect of it, and me personally, I'm not interested in
Speaker 11: another guy. I believe that feminine energy builds and creates,
Speaker 11: whereas masculine energy is destructive.
Speaker 3: And that's why when you put a bunch of men
Speaker 3: in a room, they usually toush it up.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: It's like, so that's not what I'm into, and so
Speaker 11: it just it wouldn't work for our family dynamic. That
Speaker 11: does not mean that it's not possible for other people
Speaker 11: to live that way.
Speaker 8: It's just not you know, and it's not about parent
Speaker 8: it's not about sexual parody either. It's not like, well,
Speaker 8: you get to have sex with exce and so I
Speaker 8: want sex with Why Like that's not the it's not
Speaker 8: the measure to say, well, you get to have someone
Speaker 8: so I could have some too, or if you don't,
Speaker 8: there's a disparity.
Speaker 10: Now, that's not you know, that's not how you are
Speaker 10: in ours in our relationships.
Speaker 11: Some people do measure that way. They're like everything needs
Speaker 11: to be equal.
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, like if you did a then I
Speaker 7: get to do be What was the hardest I'm sure,
Speaker 7: like you said, Charle and Err, throughout the last nine
Speaker 7: ten years of y'all's relationship to figure this out and
Speaker 7: to try to figure out the boundaries on what you
Speaker 7: both need to make this successful.
Speaker 4: What has been the hardest obstacle along with that that
Speaker 4: has kind of repeated itself and kind of making this
Speaker 4: a successful relationship between the three of you. I'm sure
Speaker 4: there's more than one.
Speaker 8: I mean, the hottest pot is from the man's perspective,
Speaker 8: is getting past because so like we started off with
Speaker 8: her trying to find the woman, then I would try
Speaker 8: to find her, and then we I would be attracted
Speaker 8: to the woman, and she's like no, diuicce, like this
Speaker 8: is she does not fit, is not going to work.
Speaker 8: Or again she might have an attraction, but you know,
Speaker 8: a different type of attraction to the woman, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: I'm that interested.
Speaker 10: She drives me nuts.
Speaker 8: So how do you reconcile you know, these wants and
Speaker 8: desires into a single person and aggregate that in a
Speaker 8: way that's gonna, you know, work for like, yes to come.
Speaker 8: So I think to answer your question, the challenges from
Speaker 8: me in particular were just being able to move and
Speaker 8: lockstep with her, not move ahead of her. Again as
Speaker 8: a guy, you you win? I mean again, we were competitive.
Speaker 8: So like I'm trying to, you know, let you know
Speaker 8: that you're good, you're taking care of I can pay
Speaker 8: your bills and you know everything's taken you know. So
Speaker 8: how do you do that without pre selling the woman
Speaker 8: or getting her all jazzed up and she's not even
Speaker 8: there yet?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's definitely hard.
Speaker 11: And I do think too, like knowing what your boundaries
Speaker 11: are and what you'll accept and the things that will
Speaker 11: make or break your relationship, I don't think you really
Speaker 11: know those initially until you actually start trying.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So that's why a lot of relationships have failed.
Speaker 3: So what is Vanessa?
Speaker 2: What is y'all status?
Speaker 1: Right now? We're dating, so you're just dating and you guys,
Speaker 1: but you two lived together or no, YouTube lived together?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Do you just like live next door?
Speaker 1: Are you down the street or do you live in
Speaker 1: the house as well?
Speaker 3: I am visiting?
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, I mean do you want to get
Speaker 2: married to her?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, isn't that illegal?
Speaker 8: Well, so we don't believe in state recognized marriage, Like
Speaker 8: I don't need a piece of paper to ratify my marriage, right,
Speaker 8: her last name is mine. We got all the financial
Speaker 8: instruments and legal instruments in place that I expire and
Speaker 8: all the good jazz.
Speaker 10: That's no different.
Speaker 2: Well how does that keep Vanessa safe?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Like, let's say, like crap goes down if you say
Speaker 2: you're married to her, but then hey, nothing's on paper.
Speaker 2: You can't really take that to the court.
Speaker 8: Well you can, so then you leverage those fiscal and
Speaker 8: legal instruments. So again, she changed her last name, she
Speaker 8: can have her own insurance policy, she's got I mean,
Speaker 8: she's got her account. Like there's literally your marriage certificate
Speaker 8: just makes it the paper trail shorter into a single document.
Speaker 8: I have to have a couple more documents. But she
Speaker 8: has the same exact power you would.
Speaker 2: So you guys, couldn't go to jail for what you're
Speaker 2: doing then because.
Speaker 10: We're not legally married.
Speaker 8: That's big of me and no ca Okay, So for
Speaker 8: since we've been Claire since day zero, like we're not
Speaker 8: legally married, but again she has my legal last name.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 10: You can do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's how we.
Speaker 4: Protect ourselves for sure.
Speaker 10: Legally.
Speaker 2: What is your parents saying, Vanessa?
Speaker 3: So unfortunately my father passed away from ten years ago.
Speaker 3: That's okay. But so my first trip to go out
Speaker 3: to see them, my mom and stepmom took me out
Speaker 3: to dinner for my birthday, and so I grew up
Speaker 3: with my mom and stepmom being extremely close. My stepmom
Speaker 3: is an amazing woman, So I always felt like I
Speaker 3: had like sister wives mothers, you know. So when I
Speaker 3: told them, I wasn't gonna tell. At first, I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go visit them, but it could be nothing,
Speaker 3: so I won't. But then I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll just tell them. Yeah, And they're so lovely and
Speaker 3: open minded. They're both hippies and they're like, this is wonderful,
Speaker 3: this is a great La.
Speaker 11: La.
Speaker 2: Where are you from?
Speaker 3: I'm born in New Jersey but grew up in Seattle.
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, yeah, and what were you looking for going
Speaker 4: into this? Did you have like a clear mindset on
Speaker 4: what why you wanted to get into this kind of
Speaker 4: relationship and what was it? And Dmitri and Ashley that's like, okay,
Speaker 4: I had this could work with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, like I was saying earlier, before
Speaker 3: I got track, I watched the show and then I
Speaker 3: was like, about four episodes in, I was like, they
Speaker 3: community hate so well, they're so lovely, Like something's got
Speaker 3: to be off here. Let me do some investigating. And
Speaker 3: I found some Dmitri's Instagram and so I'm like looking
Speaker 3: through his photos and I'm like, okay, this is his
Speaker 3: real wife and children and liking some photos. He said,
Speaker 3: I like thirty photos. I like like five phots. I
Speaker 3: would never do that, not that extra.
Speaker 1: So then.
Speaker 3: The next day he had written on one of my
Speaker 3: pictures and we started talking and then he direct messaged
Speaker 3: me and kind and he's like, you know, because I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I love you and Ashley I'm a fan,
Speaker 3: and he's like, you know, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: the kind words. He's like, there's been a lot of
Speaker 3: backlash for the show. He's like, I told Ashley, we
Speaker 3: find our forever wife after this, she'll be a keeper.
Speaker 3: So at that point, I was like, is he fishing
Speaker 3: for me right now? Like this sounds like he's I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, hanging there, you guys are wonderful. You'll find
Speaker 3: someone on your saf same wavelength. Like I don't share,
Speaker 3: but you know, good luck to you.
Speaker 2: And then I was like out check.
Speaker 3: But as I'm saying this, I'm like, man, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I just just could tell I had a vibe with him.
Speaker 3: But I was just kind of like whatever, he started
Speaker 3: following me, I started following him. I'm watching the show
Speaker 3: as the week's progress, and the finale last year, they
Speaker 3: go on a date with this woman, this lovely woman,
Speaker 3: to do this painting thing and have some wine, and
Speaker 3: the woman's kind of being really quiet and awkward. And
Speaker 3: I'm watching with my friend and I'm like, why is
Speaker 3: she being so quiet? Like if I was there, we'd
Speaker 3: be having wine, we'd be painting at the best time.
Speaker 3: And I just kind of had this epiphany. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: am I being close minded here? Like what could I be?
Speaker 3: Like who they're looking for? Like what you know what
Speaker 3: am I afraid of?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 3: What am I like so against? And I'm like, this
Speaker 3: could be everything I didn't always everything I didn't know
Speaker 3: I always wanted in a way, And so I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what. It was a couple weeks later later,
Speaker 3: but I was like, I'm just gonna write them back
Speaker 3: just you know, maybe they found somebody. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna just talk to them. So I slipped back into
Speaker 3: his DMS, and then then we all started talking and
Speaker 3: it was just like magic, just.
Speaker 2: So there's no jealousy at all. It's like he's starting
Speaker 2: to like you more or vice versa, or I mean
Speaker 2: there's not you don't have any of jealousy and any
Speaker 2: of y'all's bones. No, I don't don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like I said, I used to be
Speaker 3: very jealous person. But that was like, cause it's it's
Speaker 3: such a different dynamic when you're dating in monogamy and
Speaker 3: in that sense, like we're all so close in friends
Speaker 3: and we talk about everything. The way they communicate, that's
Speaker 3: what I what I saw. I was like, that's what's
Speaker 3: missing in my life with it that level of communication
Speaker 3: and honesty and openness in a relationship. If everybody communicated
Speaker 3: the way they did, there would be this is a place,
Speaker 3: would be a better world. And so I was like,
Speaker 3: I want in on this. And it's been a hard struggle.
Speaker 3: It it's not easy, but I'm looking forward to hopefully progressing,
Speaker 3: you know, with them.
Speaker 10: It's like you did in monogamy.
Speaker 8: You can kind of hide, right because you can have
Speaker 8: I mean, people have whole other relationships outside as we know,
Speaker 8: right in monogamy, but like I enjoy the pressure, I
Speaker 8: can't hide, like I have to be vulnerable. And by
Speaker 8: the way, in context to what makes her specifically her
Speaker 8: and same as her, so she has her own way
Speaker 8: that she communicates how we communicate.
Speaker 10: She has a different way.
Speaker 8: I can't like copy this love plan atop either of
Speaker 8: these women and make, you know, expect it to work.
Speaker 8: I have to be up front. I have to be claire,
Speaker 8: I have to be concise. But I don't understand. We
Speaker 8: have to talk about it. So regardless of the challenges
Speaker 8: and how hard it's been, like we just we own it,
Speaker 8: like we just cut this gets straight to it, like
Speaker 8: let's get to the business.
Speaker 10: And so there's no space for jealousy.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would you want two women though, I
Speaker 2: mean I'm enough wife for him.
Speaker 4: Like learning how to communicate with two different ones.
Speaker 2: God, I'm like it's impossible for yeah, it's like that's
Speaker 2: I mean, jez Louise.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just again, I love the pressure. I love
Speaker 10: that it makes.
Speaker 2: Me better, Like I have to do you want another one?
Speaker 2: Like how many? How many do you want?
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no magic number, there's not a goal, right,
Speaker 8: and quite frankly, it's up to them, right, So if
Speaker 8: Vanessa actually comes home when we make this work and
Speaker 8: it's like it is what it is, what you're moving
Speaker 8: on that path, then it's up to them, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean, I get that, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, like, man, you're like reaping every
Speaker 2: single benefit. See that's what That's what most people think,
Speaker 2: where I'm just like, he's just the guy that like
Speaker 2: he's like yeah, but what else? Well yeah, but what
Speaker 2: guy doesn't want that? But have different partners and have sex?
Speaker 2: I know'd on me wanted to, you know, like come on,
Speaker 2: it's like what but for now you do open? Sorry,
Speaker 2: but like now you get to be like open about it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: But I used to think the same thing because I've
Speaker 3: seen the Sister Wife shows on I'm like, okay, that's
Speaker 3: for them, Okay, But then I'm like, well, I've been
Speaker 3: looking at this all wrong. Like on paper, yes, it
Speaker 3: looks like the guy has everything, but honestly, I think
Speaker 3: Ashley and I get more out of it than Dimitris.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I kind him bad for him, like you know,
Speaker 3: but you'll see if the show progresses hopefully and as
Speaker 3: if we progress that it's you know, there's just something
Speaker 3: about you'll just have to see. I think actually I
Speaker 3: get more out of it than him.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Please. The second season of Seeking Sister Wives airs every
Speaker 4: Sunday on t l C at ten pm Central. What
Speaker 4: can our listeners.
Speaker 2: PM Eastern specific look at? I have Eastern time? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well who put ten? Yeah? Where without women in my life?
Speaker 4: Right here? So ten?
Speaker 2: So you guys have to watch? What can we Vanessa
Speaker 2: is gonna What can we expect?
Speaker 4: What can we expect in the second season moving forward?
Speaker 4: What can everyone expect to see? Anything? Anything?
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch because I really like you and
Speaker 2: I'm warming up to you, to you, Dmitri, and I
Speaker 2: can hear all You're just like, I bow down to you. Miss,
Speaker 2: so thank you so much. You guys for coming on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That was who wants to start?
Speaker 4: Clearly you probably do.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'll wait. I'd like to hear what you like.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wrote some notes, Sarah.
Speaker 1: I did because what I really can knock it over
Speaker 1: because I'm so competitive that I know you are too.
Speaker 1: Who's better in the bedroom? Honestly, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, all right, ladies, like, how are you keeping
Speaker 1: it spicy?
Speaker 3: Like it's competition?
Speaker 1: Essentially he's sleeping with both.
Speaker 4: I see why, especially in this kind of are you
Speaker 4: taking your wedding ring off?
Speaker 2: You literally just took your wedding.
Speaker 4: Ring off all I hand sanitizer than under my ring
Speaker 4: and anyways, I can see why in polygamy, when the
Speaker 4: is a single male and multiple female, I can see
Speaker 4: why women on the outside would just think of it as, oh,
Speaker 4: it's just all about the sex. I see that. That's
Speaker 4: how our society kind of thinks about it. Just hearing
Speaker 4: them talk, I can see I don't personally believe this.
Speaker 4: I can see why maybe there's more of a some
Speaker 4: more of a it's more to it than just sex.
Speaker 4: I can I get. That's all I don't know how
Speaker 4: to explain it. I can just see how they have
Speaker 4: like an understanding and where it's more than just that.
Speaker 2: Didn't you think that.
Speaker 1: As Ashley was like way more like calm and de mirror.
Speaker 1: I almost kind of felt like she was like and
Speaker 1: then Vanessa was like kind of being like, yeah, it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's but I felt like I was getting like.
Speaker 4: Vanessa very she's Vanessa's new to.
Speaker 2: It herself, very comfortable, very you know, that's just but
Speaker 2: it's almost like.
Speaker 1: She didn't step off once, Like she didn't even say
Speaker 1: one like thing that was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they've been doing it for nine ten years,
Speaker 4: but like there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of things people have been doing for nine
Speaker 1: or ten years that are still weak, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can tell that she's that's just her thing,
Speaker 2: that that's you know, she's she's comfortable to never.
Speaker 1: Want someone else, to never have temptation to never Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a little because.
Speaker 4: It's for them. It's it's even though they did and say,
Speaker 4: excuse me, it was anything religious, it's still a spiritual
Speaker 4: belief of like what they think the family dynamic is.
Speaker 4: So it's just like if you tell a Mormon or
Speaker 4: a Christian or whatever that something about their religion they're
Speaker 4: not Just because it might not make sense to other
Speaker 4: people doesn't mean like that's just what they believe in.
Speaker 4: So if polygamy is what they believe in, that's what
Speaker 4: they choose to believe, then they're okay with that.
Speaker 2: What do you believe in, Michael, monogamy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Really? Question?
Speaker 6: Mark, Mark, Mark, I.
Speaker 4: Just turned my mic off.
Speaker 1: I just think there's always a favorite, Like, there's always
Speaker 1: a favorite, no matter what.
Speaker 9: Ways, when you guys walked out for a second, Mark
Speaker 9: and I were talking about Big Love. The first wife
Speaker 9: is always in like what I call pole position. She
Speaker 9: always has like a little more Jews, a little bit
Speaker 9: more bossise.
Speaker 5: She's the boss. What you guys need to watch Big Love?
Speaker 1: And then I come back to me, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's always a favorite.
Speaker 2: So back on, Michael, why are you mad at me?
Speaker 4: Oh no, that comment was a little wait. I believe
Speaker 4: in monogamy, and you're like really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, come on, well come on if you really
Speaker 2: believed in.
Speaker 4: So I can never say. I can never say the
Speaker 4: rest of my life, I believe in monogamy.
Speaker 2: Okay. I was making a joke.
Speaker 4: Jokes to an a certain extent. That was not a joke.
Speaker 2: Well, yes it was.
Speaker 3: I left.
Speaker 1: Well, she said before this was obviously going to be
Speaker 1: really triggering for her, right.
Speaker 4: But the jabs, the jabs, like, come on, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 4: we can we like I want to be able to
Speaker 4: talk about this stuff and not feel like I can't
Speaker 4: say anything without being being jabbed every time. That's all
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that I see that, and I'm sorry that
Speaker 4: for both of you, and I'm sorry that it's triggering,
Speaker 4: and I apologize that you're upset and it's triggering for you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I jabb do you. I didn't mean to jab.
Speaker 2: I was making a joke, but is very triggering when
Speaker 2: you say that that's what you believe in, but yet
Speaker 2: you don't live that.
Speaker 4: I do live that.
Speaker 2: You didn't live that, Okay, then that's different.
Speaker 4: Okay, saying I don't live that and I didn't live
Speaker 4: that is totally different. Okay, currently presently, for the last
Speaker 4: two and a half years, I live that.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 9: Sometimes, Michael, I'm just gonna throw one thing in there.
Speaker 9: A humor or sarcasm can be a way of healing.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know that so sometimes, but it's also can
Speaker 4: be your way of hiding feelings behind something.
Speaker 2: Well, my feeling is I'm like, well, don't say that.
Speaker 4: What would you rather say? What do you believe in? Michael?
Speaker 4: I believe that.
Speaker 2: I was a piece of No I would have said, like,
Speaker 2: I know you might not believe it's because of my past,
Speaker 2: but I believe it. You know, it's just a triggering situation.
Speaker 2: But I would like to say, though, wouldn't it be
Speaker 2: easier just to have done that instead? Like I mean,
Speaker 2: is something where you could and you.
Speaker 4: Could do that because I didn't know we were talking
Speaker 4: about us. I thought we were talking about the people
Speaker 4: in here, and you just asked me a question, what
Speaker 4: do you believe in? My personal belief is monogamy? Right, Yes,
Speaker 4: I didn't live by that, right, So that's just triggering.
Speaker 4: I understand that.
Speaker 5: I believe you, Michael, I believe you.
Speaker 4: I believe me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe you too.
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone looked at me.
Speaker 5: I'm just staying silent in the corner. But like, oh,
Speaker 5: I think is sing.
Speaker 9: I think it's interesting and I think that, like I
Speaker 9: respect you guys so much for being willing and open
Speaker 9: and be open like that, and yes, we're going to
Speaker 9: have you know, difficult interviews like that where it does
Speaker 9: trigger and then it becomes so interesting and.
Speaker 5: Janna's so open, like she's so.
Speaker 9: You know, letting it out.
Speaker 1: I think that it was a joke, but there was
Speaker 1: like it was your way of being funny but also hurting.
Speaker 1: And he gets that because I'm the same way I
Speaker 1: make jokes and I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, but it obviously hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeh.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sorry that you were triggered, okay, and that
Speaker 4: these past feelings came up for you, and I can
Speaker 4: understand why they would.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm shutting down. No.
Speaker 1: Now i feel like I'm like in preschool and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you apologize.
Speaker 2: Now, you apologize. I did apologize. I said, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's her.
Speaker 2: Now make eye contact with them.
Speaker 5: My question is like, what happens now?
Speaker 9: Because I like them, you know, my heart is breaking
Speaker 9: a little bit for both of you, because Janna's emotional
Speaker 9: and Michael's emotional and.
Speaker 5: It's so raw. So what happens now?
Speaker 9: Is this where we go sideways and then like you guys,
Speaker 9: hold on to it. Is there any way to like
Speaker 9: talk a little bit more and then really let go
Speaker 9: and be okay when.
Speaker 2: You walk out of the room, Well, how much time
Speaker 2: do we have whatever you met? No, I just again,
Speaker 2: I just when you say that that's what you believe
Speaker 2: and then you didn't do it, that's just very triggering.
Speaker 4: What would you, okay, calmly and realistically, what would you
Speaker 4: rather me say? And now? Moving forward? In situations like that,
Speaker 4: is it something where.
Speaker 2: You acknowledge the past and the pain?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: I think how much longer is he gonna have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the past in the pain? That was my next question, like, like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, obviously, come on, but you know, for a
Speaker 1: little bit longer you what will make you feel better?
Speaker 2: Maybe for a long time?
Speaker 8: I think so, yeah, And I think that's okay, and
Speaker 8: that's okay. And I think that you both know that
Speaker 8: and that's okay, right, and I and I do I agree,
Speaker 8: I do know that, and I think that is okay.
Speaker 8: There are there some instances where I would like to
Speaker 8: just when we're talking about someone or something else where
Speaker 8: I would like to just say what I believe in
Speaker 8: without having to go into a backstory of hey, I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: blah blah blah, blah, But this is my opinion on
Speaker 8: something like at times, am I going to want to
Speaker 8: be able to do that?
Speaker 4: Sure? Absolutely? Maybe with this I should have been more
Speaker 4: conscious of it being so triggering and acknowledged that, so
Speaker 4: I apologize sincerely. I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm sorry that I made a joke trigger
Speaker 2: that was a little harsh Sarah's class.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I think neither of you needs to
Speaker 9: apologize for how you both felt.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 9: Like the joke maybe whatever you can apoloize for that,
Speaker 9: Michael can apologize for, like maybe not staying more calm
Speaker 9: or centered from the joke, but like what you both
Speaker 9: feel is so real, And I acknowledge your emotions here
Speaker 9: and you both deserve to have them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And I do believe Mike Well.
Speaker 8: I believe that he currently is current mode is one
Speaker 8: hundred percent in on monogamy.
Speaker 10: I don't believe in wance. A cheater always a cheater.
Speaker 10: I think we can grow from our mistakes.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark Wow, I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree with that too.
Speaker 5: We all agree on some.
Speaker 3: Evolution.
Speaker 5: What is it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're growing, We're growing, We're growing.
Speaker 9: Nothing feels more appropriate right now, than a commercial.
Speaker 5: Wow, thank god?
Speaker 4: All right, Mark, can you read couples too far? Yeah?
Speaker 8: This is light in the mood I think From Haley.
Speaker 8: This is an email sent to Jenna Kramer at iHeartMedia
Speaker 8: dot com. What are your thoughts on couples who don't
Speaker 8: fart in front of each other or talk about their
Speaker 8: bathroom time? I think that it's weird. Our friends are
Speaker 8: getting married and her soon to be a husband has
Speaker 8: never farted in front of her. He's never, he never has.
Speaker 8: I get trying to keep some mystery and trying to
Speaker 8: impress the other person. But going through life and always
Speaker 8: holding your farts and not ever truly relaxing sounds not
Speaker 8: so fun.
Speaker 2: That's me has tie fight. Wait, you've never farted in
Speaker 2: front of time?
Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you something really funny. No, I
Speaker 1: mean he's had a little slip ups, but I just
Speaker 1: like die laughing and then like we don't, like I
Speaker 1: can't focus on anything for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: But literally four years in four years in we're in
Speaker 1: New York, every time I had to go to the
Speaker 1: bathroom or do anything, I was running downstairs to Starbucks.
Speaker 1: He literally thought I was having an affair because I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll be right back.
Speaker 2: I was going to I was like, not happening.
Speaker 1: I've never been I never.
Speaker 4: Went in a public restroom. Oh, I was a fact that.
Speaker 2: I was doing loops.
Speaker 5: I'm running like up.
Speaker 2: Where are you serious that you've never farted in front
Speaker 2: of him or took a poopy in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Well, things are getting complicated now that we lived together.
Speaker 2: Those people at the Stars, we ever heard you fart?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, don't let Janet fool you. It's it's
Speaker 4: drew and far between with her. She just like went
Speaker 4: out the other day. She no, no, she was seeing
Speaker 4: it right behind me at the desk.
Speaker 2: Thought it was going to be silent.
Speaker 4: I was just like she was holding Jays and she's
Speaker 4: like Jays.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, okay, I thought I was going to
Speaker 2: be silent. Remember the first time I fired in front
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 4: First time she farted, we were in a hotel. Who
Speaker 4: knows what city I was.
Speaker 2: I think we were in Texas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she far the same thing. She thought it
Speaker 4: was gonna be silent. It was the first time I
Speaker 4: heard her fart. When we started dating. I had it
Speaker 4: on camera and I videoed. I was video she was
Speaker 4: like hiding herself off in the corner.
Speaker 2: Like I thought, yeah, because he the way he looked
Speaker 2: at me, I was just like I read hid in
Speaker 2: the corner.
Speaker 1: I had a room in college who literally thought was
Speaker 1: their thing. They would sit on top of each other
Speaker 1: and fart on each other, and that was not happening.
Speaker 2: Now this guy, I mean, he farts all the time now.
Speaker 2: But that stings.
Speaker 4: But that's like for a guy, at least just for me.
Speaker 4: When you get to that point of in a relationship,
Speaker 4: it's so like it's like, oh, it's like I made it,
Speaker 4: you know, and thinking about dating all over again. If
Speaker 4: you think about dating all over again, it's like I
Speaker 4: gotta go through the whole process. No, I don't think
Speaker 4: they like get to the point where I can fart
Speaker 4: in front of her.
Speaker 2: I just think I mean, if I farted in front
Speaker 2: of you all the time, I mean, wouldn't you if
Speaker 2: that's not sexy, you know what? It would be gross?
Speaker 2: Like we have to And so sometimes I wish that
Speaker 2: you wouldn't fart as much because I'm like, don't you
Speaker 2: want me to be attracted to you?
Speaker 4: And you walk in You know what's funny right now
Speaker 4: is that Joli knows the word fart. So I was
Speaker 4: changing her in the middle of the night. The other night,
Speaker 4: I took her diver off, but another one on. So
Speaker 4: she was naked from the waist down and she farted,
Speaker 4: and she goes, oops, I fart.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know how to add the eted. Oh, I fart,
Speaker 2: and so like IM far in front of her, so like,
Speaker 2: mommy fart.
Speaker 4: It's hilarious say that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I do have one more email that it's fascinating.
Speaker 8: All right, this one takes some real turns that I
Speaker 8: did not expects.
Speaker 3: Like a rude.
Speaker 8: Lindsey says, I've been married to my husband for six
Speaker 8: years and we have a five and a half year
Speaker 8: old daughter, but I'm not sure I love him. I
Speaker 8: thought it might be because I like girls. My husband
Speaker 8: and I decided to try a threesome with another woman.
Speaker 8: They go, I have never really been about sex, and
Speaker 8: to be honest, I enjoyed the threesome, but I still
Speaker 8: felt like, eh, whatever, I never really want sex, and
Speaker 8: I'm I'm not sure I have ever been in love.
Speaker 8: What if I'm not capable of loving someone? Is there
Speaker 8: something I can do? Should I divorce my husband and
Speaker 8: leave my child in a separate household. Oh boy, there's
Speaker 8: a lot going on here.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. I'll start with the beginning. I feel
Speaker 2: loveless marriage.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good place to start, Sarah.
Speaker 2: I think loveless marriage is common. A lot of people
Speaker 2: maybe stay with their Why are you looking at me
Speaker 2: like that? I'm sorry you, Mark and I are both
Speaker 2: looking at you like that.
Speaker 5: I am not.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends who say that they've
Speaker 2: fallen out of love with their spouse and that they
Speaker 2: stay with them just for the kids.
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 2: Wow, you Mark, you're happy you love your wife. People
Speaker 2: falling in and.
Speaker 4: Too, But that.
Speaker 2: Makes me sad. I think people can go in and
Speaker 2: out of love. Yea, And I think that's some of
Speaker 2: my friends. I think have felt that, and they you know,
Speaker 2: but they stay because they have kids and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I know, I've you know, so I can see her saying,
Speaker 2: but I've also loved my husband and you like sometimes
Speaker 2: what and I do? Yes?
Speaker 1: While because didn't she say she doesn't like suck?
Speaker 8: Yeah, she never really wants it, she's never been in love.
Speaker 8: She thought maybe women nah, like it doesn't sound.
Speaker 2: Like I wonder it sounds like she's on like pills
Speaker 2: or something like that, depressed, like she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Have it's like she loves her like obviously.
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, to get off. If you're on anything,
Speaker 2: I would talk to your doctor and get something a
Speaker 2: little lighter that you can have more emotion.
Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder if she knows what her love
Speaker 4: languages are, just because language that could be interesting for
Speaker 4: someone who like you said that. You guys are saying,
Speaker 4: like she seems numb. We'll find out how you register love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it's not him, then you don't want
Speaker 2: to stay in a loveless marriage forever. That's just no.
Speaker 4: But if she educates herself on that and then tells
Speaker 4: her husband, hey, this is how I receive love, give
Speaker 4: it a time, Give it a time to for him
Speaker 4: to trial that and be like, if he's doing those
Speaker 4: things and she still doesn't feel it, Mark is.
Speaker 3: Just like that was a very evolved response from.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, maybe he does believe in monogamy after all.
Speaker 4: Who thought no?
Speaker 2: But that that is that is a very point, honey,
Speaker 2: That is a very very evolved therapeutic response. I bet
Speaker 2: if they talk to.
Speaker 1: Each other he'd probably be like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of get it. I can feel like you don't
Speaker 1: love me, and.
Speaker 2: This is what I this is how I would like
Speaker 2: to receive love sounds.
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Speaker 4: you know what we forgot to talk about?
Speaker 8: What do we forget to talk about using Mike's razor?
Speaker 2: What is wrong with that?
Speaker 4: You know, it's really funny about this though. I'm glad
Speaker 4: you brought up here because yesterday you showered first I did,
Speaker 4: and I was gonna ask you. I saw. I looked
Speaker 4: in the shower and my razor it looked like it
Speaker 4: was turning. It was turned a different way.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: I know you didn't because and I started. But what's crazy?
Speaker 4: I almost brought this up to you. I started feeling
Speaker 4: like anxious, like angry because it's something small. She didn't
Speaker 4: end up. I ended up seeing her razor that she
Speaker 4: brought into the bathroom because it wasn't there before. But
Speaker 4: like these razors are expensive, Like I I have a
Speaker 4: strategic amount of times that I use one razor because
Speaker 4: I mean, I shave my face. I shave my head
Speaker 4: like a ball guy. We use it a lot, a lot.
Speaker 4: So to know that she might use that and use
Speaker 4: it areas and I put it on my face, it really,
Speaker 4: it really does give me anxiety, Like it really does
Speaker 4: bother me.
Speaker 2: Why does it bother you that I shave my huha
Speaker 2: and then you put it on your face.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry because.
Speaker 2: Inside it's just it's just there.
Speaker 4: If you shave your legs, even if you shave your
Speaker 4: legs and then I shave.
Speaker 2: My legs are cleaner than your face, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's just still it's still your skin and bacteria.
Speaker 2: It's still those things. Just like I'm dirty, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: very I just.
Speaker 4: Like, just like I would like to use my towel,
Speaker 4: but yesterday I used my towel, so I had to
Speaker 4: use your towel.
Speaker 2: When you get out of the shower, you're clean, Michael, I.
Speaker 4: Still like use my towel. I'm sorry, it's just what
Speaker 4: I like to I like to use my towel. I
Speaker 4: like to use my razor. I like to use my tea.
Speaker 2: Are you I don't ever want to use your tooth brush.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting. That's like you you're getting like steak out
Speaker 2: of your teeth. But when you get out of a shower,
Speaker 2: when you get out of a shower, you are physically clean,
Speaker 2: unless you don't wash your body with soap.
Speaker 4: All right, just picture this picture. I use your towel
Speaker 4: and I'm clean. I'm wiping up my butt, cleaning everything,
Speaker 4: drying it all off. And guess what next time you,
Speaker 4: Next time you shower, you take that same part of
Speaker 4: the towel. Little do you know, that's where my butt was,
Speaker 4: and you wipe it up. You're drying your face were
Speaker 4: clean or not, that's a food for thought.
Speaker 2: Well, if it's clean, I don't care. Okay, you make
Speaker 2: me go down there anyway.
Speaker 4: So I got no in that game this season. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: We're done.
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Oh my god,