Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me you had a dangerous, violence, aggressive,
Speaker 1: tall woman with huge feet. According to Candace, you let
Speaker 1: that person come in the house and stay with you.
Speaker 1: But Monique and Kandas are making black women look bad.
Speaker 1: What is Mia doing?
Speaker 2: What is Mia doing? Because it's the same situation, same setting.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, we'll be right back after these quick ads.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Reality with the King.
Speaker 3: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and
Speaker 3: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality
Speaker 3: television with over ten years a production experience.
Speaker 4: Once a week from Reality with the King, we'll.
Speaker 3: Sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap
Speaker 3: our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we
Speaker 3: are still talking and tweeting about. All right, rain Drop,
Speaker 3: So look, I did have a six week hiatus for
Speaker 3: Reality with the King podcast, and during that time, my love,
Speaker 3: the executive producer, Well now she's the former executive producer,
Speaker 3: but she is.
Speaker 4: The forever fan favorite.
Speaker 3: One of my most requested guests is returning.
Speaker 4: Yes, honey, we got Dash and Hally.
Speaker 1: Brown Baby, Oh my gosh, Hello, it's so weird to
Speaker 1: be on this side and having you prepped me the
Speaker 1: executive producer, prepping the executive producer to talk to the
Speaker 1: executive producer.
Speaker 3: And in the worlds of OG, I am your favorite
Speaker 3: executive producers, favorite executive producer.
Speaker 1: Periods, our own little like multiverse of madness that we
Speaker 1: got going on.
Speaker 4: How are you? So listen, it's all about you.
Speaker 3: Just give the rain drops a quick update, because look,
Speaker 3: they love you. They miss you, and people on the
Speaker 3: streets be like, where's Jasmine Child, and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I ain't telling Jazzmin's business child.
Speaker 1: I love it they're looking for the twenty three year
Speaker 1: old Jasmine. I love how somebody really thought your friend
Speaker 1: really thought I was twenty three. No long ways away. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've been great. I am at Sony now. So I'm
Speaker 1: the executive producer of Entertainment Podcasts at Sony, and it's
Speaker 1: been a really cool journey. I miss you obviously, like yeah,
Speaker 1: but we still talk. Though we still talk, but I
Speaker 1: miss just kind of like being with you in terms
Speaker 1: of like working with you on the show and helping
Speaker 1: you out in all of that. So it's so good
Speaker 1: to just be back with you in this form outside
Speaker 1: of me just like calling you, like Hey, you got
Speaker 1: five minutes and then thirty minutes later were still on
Speaker 1: the phone.
Speaker 2: So it's good to be here.
Speaker 3: So look, we have to do a deep dive into
Speaker 3: Platon and what went wrong this season to the point
Speaker 3: where a lot of people are turned off by it.
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you because you're not only
Speaker 3: my friend, you're not only a fan favorite.
Speaker 4: You're also a fan of Potomac.
Speaker 3: You're a black woman as well, and all of those
Speaker 3: things to me is a condition in terms of.
Speaker 4: Who I wanted to talk to about this topic.
Speaker 3: I did not want to do this alone because I
Speaker 3: wanted somebody who, again unlike me, who's not in the
Speaker 3: reality business, who doesn't have a sort of deep relationship.
Speaker 4: With the cast.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk to you about it because
Speaker 3: we follow each other on Twitter and honey ms Jasmine said,
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but
Speaker 3: you stopped watching Potomac this past season.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: I think the last thing I remember was them they
Speaker 1: went somewhere and they were at they were on a bus.
Speaker 2: I think Wendy put something together.
Speaker 1: It might have been in episode two or three, and
Speaker 1: it was when Yeah, Wendy hath them burn the paper,
Speaker 1: and I remember, is that that happened earlier this season, right.
Speaker 4: Jasmine, that's like episode thought, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's the last episode. I remember watching the way
Speaker 1: they tried to do Candace or the way that they
Speaker 1: were setting it up they were going to try to
Speaker 1: do Candace and Chris. I don't fuck with that at all.
Speaker 1: That felt so dark to me and just nasty. And
Speaker 1: I'm biased because I really enjoy Candace, Like I think
Speaker 1: Candace is a star to me, right, So I'm biased absolutely,
Speaker 1: but I just felt like watching anybody the way we
Speaker 1: had watched Candace and Chris and for that to kind
Speaker 1: of be the storyline they were going with.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they continued.
Speaker 1: With that for the entire season, but I saw that
Speaker 1: and immediately I was like, no, this is very very dark.
Speaker 1: The Housewives just has gotten into a place, all of them, right,
Speaker 1: every city, they've gotten to a place where like they're
Speaker 1: trying to ruin families, like it's not fun Shade anymore,
Speaker 1: Like y'all are trying to ruin people.
Speaker 2: And they just really turned me off.
Speaker 1: And it just felt like this is a group of
Speaker 1: women and these are not friends in any sense of
Speaker 1: the imagination. When filming starts, they come, they clock in,
Speaker 1: they you know, discuss their little story lines or whatever.
Speaker 1: They film the show, and they don't talk to each
Speaker 1: other once that's done. Obviously, Giselle and Robin do because
Speaker 1: they have a podcast together, but it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: any of them are actually friends. And it just wasn't
Speaker 1: a good watch to me. I didn't get good vibes
Speaker 1: from it, so I stopped whatever that episode was where
Speaker 1: they were burning a paper child at and they weren't
Speaker 1: really trying to hear Wendy out with hers and yeah,
Speaker 1: Ashley turned on candidate.
Speaker 2: It's real quick. I was like, yes, these these witches
Speaker 2: are getting dark.
Speaker 1: And I say bitch as a term of endearment, like
Speaker 1: love them down, respect to all women, but you know
Speaker 1: it's a term of endearment.
Speaker 3: Yes, And listen, now that we don't work with each
Speaker 3: other tomore, we can't reveal that we call each other
Speaker 3: bitches all the time. Time.
Speaker 1: I have to check for myself because I know everybody
Speaker 1: isn't a fan of that word, and I do, you know,
Speaker 1: genuinely apologize if you're offended by that.
Speaker 2: But that's how me and mine, that's how we communicate.
Speaker 3: No, that's you and I communicate, And I had no
Speaker 3: idea that you stopped watching it that early. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I did not notice this until last week on Twitter
Speaker 3: when you revealed that you stopped watching this season at all.
Speaker 3: One of the things that you and I both used
Speaker 3: to enjoy about Potomac was it was fun. It was
Speaker 3: fun shade, It was light shade. And although we knew
Speaker 3: that Giselle was a producer and wore her producer had,
Speaker 3: we both never felt that it was so obvious in
Speaker 3: terms of making things happen out of nowhere and pulling
Speaker 3: things out of thin air. And the problem with this
Speaker 3: season was the fact that it's truly everything you said.
Speaker 3: It was very dark. And the reason why I'm happy
Speaker 3: we're talking about this is because a physical fight does
Speaker 3: not always mean that's the only way things are dark
Speaker 3: on reality TV. At the time of my interview with Giselle,
Speaker 3: Jasmine was still on board as the EP of the show,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to put words of.
Speaker 4: Your mouth, but we all felt like, Okayjisell was a
Speaker 4: cool woman.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And what I always tell people is outside of
Speaker 3: the show, the Gizelle that I know personally is a
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air.
Speaker 4: She's so fun.
Speaker 3: However, when she's on the show, I feel like Giselle
Speaker 3: holds the weight of the show on her shoulders and
Speaker 3: she feels the need to behave in a way that
Speaker 3: is really going to turn people on her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way that I've been seeing people carry
Speaker 1: on about Gazelle is completely different than I think the
Speaker 1: Gizelle that I was able to meet when she came
Speaker 1: on your show. I will say, obviously I only had
Speaker 1: that experience with her, and I recognize she was coming
Speaker 1: on your show. I'm an executive producer of your show.
Speaker 1: There's a level of the quorum that you know, we
Speaker 1: had with each other. So I think there is a
Speaker 1: politeness and a kindness there. But I also think that
Speaker 1: I'm a very good judge of character, and Giselle just
Speaker 1: didn't come off like a nasty person like. She came
Speaker 1: off like a very cool, like down to earth woman.
Speaker 1: And so so you know, hearing what I'm hearing about her,
Speaker 1: that she's colorless, that she's evil in all of this,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a different character. Like it feels
Speaker 1: like it's a character that she's portraying on television. But again,
Speaker 1: I can't really say for sure. I only met her
Speaker 1: for what like an hour and a half, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's how she carries on in her
Speaker 1: real life outside of situations like this. I think the
Speaker 1: Chris thing. I do think there are worlds where, like
Speaker 1: your perception of what's happening is could be uncomfortable. Like
Speaker 1: whatever did happen with her and Chris? If he made
Speaker 1: her uncomfortable, that's Giselle's story to tell, right, like none
Speaker 1: of us can tell her he didn't do it. I
Speaker 1: think the way that it was blown up was very unfair,
Speaker 1: and we all know that a lot of people can't
Speaker 1: you know, think or have discussions with nuance. So it's like,
Speaker 1: once you say a man tried to be in my
Speaker 1: room with us alone and made me feel uncomfortable, people
Speaker 1: are going to automatically assume the worst.
Speaker 2: And that's what I didn't like about it.
Speaker 1: It is like, I don't I think there was a
Speaker 1: point where she did try to Like, I wasn't saying
Speaker 1: he did anything, It's just how I felt, and I
Speaker 1: do think that's the right stance to take. But I
Speaker 1: just think the way it was presented, you can't unring
Speaker 1: that bell once. Once it's wrung, Once you say what
Speaker 1: you say, you can't go back and like dial it back.
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't really like that. You should have presented
Speaker 2: it that way.
Speaker 1: Initially, I'm confused, and I think that's why I don't
Speaker 1: like the show anymore, because I'm like, who are these
Speaker 1: women really?
Speaker 2: And truly?
Speaker 4: Now, listen, you're confused, I'm confused. Think about it. I
Speaker 4: praised the show.
Speaker 3: I told my millions of listeners how much I love
Speaker 3: the show. I gave Gazelle the coveted position and being
Speaker 3: in the top ten greatest Housewives of all time. So
Speaker 3: you're not alone, Jasmine in your confusion. As I was
Speaker 3: watching this season, because I did watch more episodes than you.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 3: I always said, Jasmine, something's off about this season. So
Speaker 3: when it was revealed that not only are we confused
Speaker 3: about this Chris Bassett story, because listen, in Giselle's defense,
Speaker 3: I have spoken to people who are friends with Giselle,
Speaker 3: and they also told me that Gazelle told them days
Speaker 3: after it happened that she did feel uncomfortable. So I
Speaker 3: want to make people understand that Giselle, in real life,
Speaker 3: we have mutual friends.
Speaker 4: Our mutual friends have told me personally.
Speaker 3: To Gazelle's credit, she did tell us that she felt
Speaker 3: uncomfortable with Chris.
Speaker 4: That is a truth.
Speaker 3: I think the part that gets confusing is she waited
Speaker 3: over a year to.
Speaker 4: Talk about it on the show.
Speaker 3: And although, as a producer myself, yes, we want you
Speaker 3: to bring things to life to the show, but I
Speaker 3: think that year and a half gap of not talking
Speaker 3: about it and Giselle saying, well, I brought it up
Speaker 3: because Ashley was talking about these dms. It's sort of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: Ashley had an instant story. She posted a video in
Speaker 3: her stories responded to Ashley's story and said, why didn't
Speaker 3: y'all come to the job he works at the w
Speaker 3: Hotel and party and Ashley allegedly took that to the
Speaker 3: alleged meeting that the housewives have before filming, and that's
Speaker 3: how they made this part of the storyline allegedly.
Speaker 4: Not pre production, Yes, this.
Speaker 3: Is pre production, and that's what made Giselle allegedly bring
Speaker 3: up the Chris Bassett thing and they started to put
Speaker 3: this issue together. So that's why it's confusing Jasmine too,
Speaker 3: because it did happen over a year ago. To Gizelle's credit,
Speaker 3: he told people immediately, but she did not tell To
Speaker 3: your point again, Jazz, if Candace is your friend, why
Speaker 3: are you telling every Tom, Dick and Harry about this?
Speaker 3: But you don't tell the woman you claim to be
Speaker 3: friends with who you're on the show.
Speaker 1: And if your intentions weren't to make Chris seem like
Speaker 1: a bad person, why not tell Candace in private without
Speaker 1: cameras there right, Like, you know, Jiselle's a brilliant woman.
Speaker 1: She knows what the implications are of telling Candace that
Speaker 1: about her husband on national television. You know what that
Speaker 1: was gonna do. So if you really did care for Candace,
Speaker 1: or if you weren't trying to make it what it became,
Speaker 1: why not call her right after it happened, like, hey, girl,
Speaker 1: this just happened. I know Chris is this type of guy,
Speaker 1: but this did make me feel this way. And as
Speaker 1: a woman, I'm sure you can understand that because what
Speaker 1: I also have come to know I think we've all
Speaker 1: come to know about Candace. She's rational until you activate her,
Speaker 1: but she's a rational person. So I think Candace would
Speaker 1: have understood if Giselle called her and said that and
Speaker 1: even if Candace didn't, y'all can do that over the phone.
Speaker 1: You don't have to wait until the cameras are rolling
Speaker 1: to then tell her that, because one you know, is
Speaker 1: gonna activate her and piss her off. And then you
Speaker 1: know what that looks like to the rest of us
Speaker 1: watching like it just it feels dark.
Speaker 3: No, it does, And what also felt dark was and
Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw the clips online about.
Speaker 4: This jazz Mea throwing a drink on Wendy.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I always forget that Mia exists, but yet.
Speaker 4: Damn jazz.
Speaker 1: Mia did give us a she gave but no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give me a this does a frog have a
Speaker 1: watertight asshole? I text you that you did so, yes,
Speaker 1: that thank you for your contribution.
Speaker 4: And that's it.
Speaker 1: It feels like she's always trying too hard. And we
Speaker 1: talked about this when we were having the discussion about
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Orange County and Noela right, like, they have
Speaker 1: the makings of really good housewives, but they are trying
Speaker 1: too hard and it's just coming off very inauthentic and
Speaker 1: just hard to follow, hard to relate to, hard to like,
Speaker 1: hard to like, hard to like on the show.
Speaker 3: For me, when you saw her throw a drink on
Speaker 3: Wendy and you saw the aftermath, because again, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure you saw the clips of it, or.
Speaker 4: Did you not.
Speaker 1: I want to say I have seen the clip of
Speaker 1: that happen because she threw it kind of like backhandidly,
Speaker 1: like she was sitting next to Wendy.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I've seen that clip.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she threw it to her faith and she
Speaker 3: did it, and then she tried to hit.
Speaker 4: Her with her purse. She tried to like, no, I know.
Speaker 3: This is the reason why I got upset about that.
Speaker 3: And me and dj Ritchie Sky did a recap about
Speaker 3: that episode, and he felt so strongly too, how disgusting
Speaker 3: and dark it was. We all agreed to that Mia
Speaker 3: took her purse and was trying to hit Wendy with
Speaker 3: her purse.
Speaker 2: That's guttersnipe behavior.
Speaker 4: Not guttersnipe Jasmine.
Speaker 3: It got so bad that Wendy's employer, John Hopkins University
Speaker 3: child They put a black car up and said this
Speaker 3: university has no connection to the real housewats of Potomac.
Speaker 2: Wait where did they put that?
Speaker 4: They put that? You know how you put the black
Speaker 4: car up at the end.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm the TV I think.
Speaker 4: On the TV screen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, but you don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to harp on the past. What was the reaction to
Speaker 1: their coworkers after this happened, Because I really want to
Speaker 1: draw a line.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna tell you something, Jasmine. Let me
Speaker 4: tell you what happened first.
Speaker 3: So, after Mia through a drink on Wendy, Robin took
Speaker 3: her phone out and started recording it, and there were
Speaker 3: numerous shots of Robin laughing at what was going on
Speaker 3: in front of her. Then Giselle was eating her dinner
Speaker 3: and telling what Wendy was. Of course, you know, listen,
Speaker 3: a black girl got a drink thrown, so of course
Speaker 3: you're reacting like black folks do.
Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna beat her. You know, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3: That was Wendy's natural reaction, right so as any black
Speaker 3: woman in that situation done the same thing.
Speaker 4: I'm about to whoop her boom boom.
Speaker 3: Even Phaedra, who has esquad after her last name, tried
Speaker 3: to be like an esther and get her purse and
Speaker 3: hit Kenya with it. Because when a black girl is
Speaker 3: and that things happen, so Gizelle should know that she
Speaker 3: went to an HBCU.
Speaker 1: When a person physically a tax you, that should be
Speaker 1: your next go to to defend yourself.
Speaker 4: Is I know a child.
Speaker 3: Some of these Bisley Hills housewives don't, so any who,
Speaker 3: Wendy was saying that and Gizelle was like, she might
Speaker 3: hit you back.
Speaker 4: You know you need to sit down paraphrasing.
Speaker 3: A few days later after that aired, I saw Giselle
Speaker 3: at Portia's wedding. Me and Giselle said next to each
Speaker 3: other at Porsia's Nigerian wedding.
Speaker 4: Because me and Giselle are friends.
Speaker 3: I will never disclose a private conversation to the public,
Speaker 3: but what I will share with you, Jasmine and the
Speaker 3: listeners is the fact that I really took that moment
Speaker 3: and told Giselle how I felt, and I was very
Speaker 3: sincere with.
Speaker 4: Giselle, who I love.
Speaker 3: I really had a real deep conversation with Giselle. And
Speaker 3: the only thing I will say is at the very end,
Speaker 3: jose Yelle had her rebuttal to me, right, because.
Speaker 4: That's what friends do.
Speaker 3: Me and Jasmine always have rebuttals because I feel like
Speaker 3: when you're passionate about something you just It's not always
Speaker 3: like yes, ma'am, yes, sorry, no, you have a rebuttal
Speaker 3: to Jaselle's credit. At the very end of our conversation,
Speaker 3: Giselle said, I see your point.
Speaker 4: I got you, and I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to share that because I know Gizelle gets a
Speaker 3: lot of flack and I have had numerous moments of
Speaker 3: being disappointed with Giselle numerous If a friend can't be
Speaker 3: real with you, you don't want to grow. And my concern
Speaker 3: for Gizelle is she doesn't have many or any people
Speaker 3: around her Jasmin who can tell her like.
Speaker 4: You need to stop.
Speaker 3: And when I say that, I mean it's the circle
Speaker 3: of friends you're around. Robin, if that's your best friend,
Speaker 3: both of y'all should be holding each other account of Bell.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be Carlos King, and it should also be
Speaker 3: the production.
Speaker 2: Can Robin hold her accountable?
Speaker 1: Robin feels the same way and holds the same views,
Speaker 1: It's impossible. My expectation isn't for Robin to hold Jozel
Speaker 1: accountable for anything. Like I said, it's a character that
Speaker 1: she's playing. That's why it's like really hard to just
Speaker 1: get with. You know, at this point, we know reality TV.
Speaker 1: That's a loose term, right, yes, But her saying I
Speaker 1: see your point at the end of your talk at
Speaker 1: Portia's wedding speaks to the person that I met when
Speaker 1: she came to do your show. She seems reasonable, right,
Speaker 1: she seems nice, kind, Right, That's not the person that
Speaker 1: people are experiencing on Potomac. And again I say, which
Speaker 1: one is the real? Will the real Zelle Bryant please
Speaker 1: stand up.
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it, like show yourself, because
Speaker 1: she seems like such a likable person when she's not
Speaker 1: playing the Giselle on potomach I think her even just
Speaker 1: kind of encouraging. Wendy and MIA's kind of feud is
Speaker 1: also very contradictory because with my Nique in Candace Spot
Speaker 1: it was, y'all, are you know representing black women wrong?
Speaker 1: And I forgot all the ship she pulled bringing security
Speaker 1: around her. Did she bring security with her the next
Speaker 1: time she was around Mia? I'm gonna assume.
Speaker 4: No, no.
Speaker 3: And then Mia was allowed to stay in the house
Speaker 3: after the fight and Wendy had to go into a
Speaker 3: hotel room.
Speaker 1: So, Yumana, tell me you had a dangerous violence, aggressive
Speaker 1: tall woman with huge feet according to the Candace, you
Speaker 1: let that person come in the house and stay with you.
Speaker 1: But Monique and Candace are making black women look bad.
Speaker 1: What is Mia doing?
Speaker 2: What is MEA doing?
Speaker 1: Because it's the same situation, same setting. She's aggressive because
Speaker 1: according to you know what I've been seeing on Twitter,
Speaker 1: she also is very shady for pay. She chased her
Speaker 1: best friends and her people. That's aggressive. Hashtag aggressive Mia.
Speaker 1: She's taken that from Ashley from around marriag JC. It's
Speaker 1: aggressive Mia.
Speaker 3: Exactly instead of aggressive Ashley A love it bat DC
Speaker 3: jas was calling her aggressive via Heypotomac. No, Jasmine, you
Speaker 3: just said something and the light bulb in my head
Speaker 3: went off when you said that, it's shade for pay.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you this.
Speaker 3: You have perfectly coined a term that fits how these
Speaker 3: new reality stars are so desperate for a moment that
Speaker 3: they no longer want to showcase what's really happening in
Speaker 3: their lives because they feel like, if I'm on TV,
Speaker 3: it is shade for pay. And I can be hard
Speaker 3: on the on the reality stars. As a producer, I
Speaker 3: also have to be hard on the producers. And the
Speaker 3: only thing I want for Giselle is to get on
Speaker 3: camera and have a moment of humility to say I
Speaker 3: was wrong, Wendy, I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I was wrong. I was being duplicitous. You're right. I
Speaker 4: should have kept that same energy. I'm not perfect. I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Giselle, if you're listening, and the producers too. This is
Speaker 3: a two person job. Jasmine was my EP on Reality
Speaker 3: with the King for almost a year, and she would
Speaker 3: even say to me, I don't like that.
Speaker 4: You said that.
Speaker 3: I don't like that, or hey, you said something, but
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you knew how people are gonna
Speaker 3: take it. I said to her, Oh my gosh, yes,
Speaker 3: oh that wasn't my intention, though she said, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Think it was. But I'm just I'm helping you.
Speaker 3: But this intelligent black woman who I love and trust,
Speaker 3: checked me, and I allowed myself to be censored.
Speaker 4: I allowed myself to be checked.
Speaker 3: And if you want to row with the big dogs,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to allow people to check you.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 4: I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after these quick asss. This is
Speaker 3: Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
Speaker 3: back into the show. Allegedly, some of the Potomac Girls
Speaker 3: are mad because of my recent comments about colorism, and
Speaker 3: how I was so disappointed that they spoke about this
Speaker 3: important topic for two minutes on the show. And let's
Speaker 3: be clear, the reason why I wanted more of a
Speaker 3: discourse about this is because the colorism accusations have been
Speaker 3: happening for three years. It's not like you just came
Speaker 3: up last week. It's been happening for three years. So
Speaker 3: to address it only for two minutes is why I
Speaker 3: was disturbed, and I wanted to see some humility from Giselle,
Speaker 3: Karen Robin, and Mia to say, it's our job as
Speaker 3: life skinned women to listen to really see your point
Speaker 3: of view, so that we can see that maybe subconsciously
Speaker 3: we are doing something that we didn't know we were doing.
Speaker 3: We're not colorists, but maybe our behavior is aligning with that,
Speaker 3: and for that we apologize.
Speaker 4: But none of that happened, Jasmine, because I.
Speaker 1: Think the idea of colorism, and be clear, I'm very
Speaker 1: very cautious about assigning anyism to people because I understand
Speaker 1: when you're on a reality TV show, we're only getting
Speaker 1: little bits and pieces of what has actually occurred, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the producers have done this, but
Speaker 1: they can edit anyway they want. Now, what they can't
Speaker 1: edit is what you are actually doing and actually saying.
Speaker 1: But they can splice shit together to make it look
Speaker 1: like something like we've seen it over the years.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And so while they might not come out and say
Speaker 1: I am colorists, I think what they could have done
Speaker 1: will say I understand how I could be perpetuating colorism.
Speaker 2: I recognized that.
Speaker 1: My treatment of Wendy when aggressive Mia attacked her was
Speaker 1: very different than when I saw Monique and Candice have
Speaker 1: a fight. I recognized that I had a different reaction,
Speaker 1: and I can understand how that may be perceived as colorism.
Speaker 1: I am not a colorist person, but I can understand
Speaker 1: one how I benefited from colorism into how I can
Speaker 1: perpetuate it.
Speaker 2: And had they just said that, I.
Speaker 3: Think they need to hire Jasmin Hilly Brown to be
Speaker 3: producer and potoma now and listen, I'm not saying that's
Speaker 3: a two throw shade. Yeah, and again listen the moment
Speaker 3: I saw this podcast, thanks to Jasmine, she and I
Speaker 3: had a conversation. I said, as long as I'm honest,
Speaker 3: I don't care about what people are going to say
Speaker 3: about me, I have to stay within my honesty and
Speaker 3: me being genuine. The reason why I said that, Jasmine
Speaker 3: about you may be needing to join the production. They're
Speaker 3: going to need someone that is able to keep it
Speaker 3: real with them, the way you kept it real to
Speaker 3: me in our personal relationship, the way you were so
Speaker 3: able to like beautifully articulate the messaging of what I
Speaker 3: was trying to say. But again, I'm not a dark
Speaker 3: skinned black woman, and I have a knowledge that I'm
Speaker 3: still learning about my privilege being a light skinned man
Speaker 3: and what that brought me in my life.
Speaker 4: But I at least will always say I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm here to do better, and it's not my intention
Speaker 3: but my behavior, I could do better. And I think
Speaker 3: to your point, so wonderfully, that's all we wanted, And
Speaker 3: I wish that they had somebody who looks like you,
Speaker 3: who has your experience of diversity in life, to be
Speaker 3: able to say to them, Hey, I'm going to say
Speaker 3: something to y'all that y'all may not like, but this
Speaker 3: is going to help you in the long run.
Speaker 4: It's one or two things happening. Either no one is
Speaker 4: there telling them this, or you.
Speaker 3: Girls some of y'all are so egotistical that you don't
Speaker 3: want to change. And if you don't change, my fear
Speaker 3: is that you guys are in your Real Housewives of
Speaker 3: Atlanta era, meaning the latter seasons and what I mean
Speaker 3: by that, and this is my opinion.
Speaker 4: The show's in trouble. Jasmin was a fan of the
Speaker 4: show and said she stopped watching it entirely, and.
Speaker 1: I have no plans to go back to watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do want to follow up on a couple of
Speaker 1: things you said. One, I did not know that you
Speaker 1: consider yourself light skin.
Speaker 4: Oh well, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'm rocking, I'm rolling.
Speaker 4: No, this was crazy. I as Carlos King, the human being.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: However, some people in the world do. And I had
Speaker 3: to learn the true story my.
Speaker 4: Man, because I'd be like, yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 4: brown skin.
Speaker 3: He said you think you brown? I said I am brown.
Speaker 3: He said your light skin. And then I get that
Speaker 3: a lot. So to your to your credit, I don't.
Speaker 3: The world does. And it's sort of like how Halle
Speaker 3: Berry's mother told her, yes, you're by racial, how you're
Speaker 3: a black woman, because that's how the world will perceive you.
Speaker 3: So that's why I had to all of a sudden
Speaker 3: because again I'm listening. I was always told that because
Speaker 3: you're not dark skin or dark brown, the world will
Speaker 3: look at your skin and say you're light just by
Speaker 3: courtesy of you not being a dark skinned man.
Speaker 1: I always find conversations around colorism so interesting because I
Speaker 1: didn't grow up thinking that being dark was like a
Speaker 1: bad thing. I have cousins who are very, very light,
Speaker 1: and they always like made fun of each other for
Speaker 1: being like really really light. I won't repeat the names
Speaker 1: that they've called each other because they're very problematic, but
Speaker 1: they always I grew up watching them like torment each
Speaker 1: other about being light. And then my mother when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, every time I would ask her, like
Speaker 1: what her favorite color was, she would be like chocolate brown,
Speaker 1: like you right, So like I always grew up with
Speaker 1: my skin color being affirm like feeling like I was
Speaker 1: so beautiful and so cute, even when I know I
Speaker 1: looked awkward because I look back at photos.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, I look funny.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you beautiful, Like you always are beautiful, right,
Speaker 1: So I've always grown up having kind of my skin
Speaker 1: color or whatever affirmed, and so I really didn't understand
Speaker 1: that colorism was like a real thing until I want
Speaker 1: to say, my teen year. So I do think I
Speaker 1: have an advantage in a way of like looking at it,
Speaker 1: and I think to some people it is a little naive, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I wouldn't go off the rip and
Speaker 1: just accuse all the light skinned women on Potomac of
Speaker 1: being colorists. I think that they have displayed colorist views
Speaker 1: and they perpetuated colorism, yes, but I think my view
Speaker 1: on it is a little different, And it's not to
Speaker 1: take away from the experiences, because I know it's not
Speaker 1: common right that, like when you're dark skinned to grow
Speaker 1: up to be made to feel like you are the
Speaker 1: most beautiful person to ever walk the planet.
Speaker 2: But my parents made me feel like that.
Speaker 1: When I am articulating a message that Giselle and Robin
Speaker 1: and Mia and Karen, what they could have said is
Speaker 1: coming from a place of like I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: with the bird's eye view, and like just say that
Speaker 1: you were aware, or you didn't look at it that way,
Speaker 1: or you weren't trying.
Speaker 2: To be colorist. That's a better way to say it.
Speaker 1: Like we all are gonna make mistakes, and we all
Speaker 1: perpetuate privileges that we hold also people that don't hold
Speaker 1: those those same privileges, And so all you have to
Speaker 1: do is just acknowledge that I was perpetuating that, and
Speaker 1: I know what it looked like, but that wasn't my attention.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, And let Wendy throw a drink back
Speaker 1: on me, get your on my up.
Speaker 2: I can look back, because.
Speaker 4: That's how it really is.
Speaker 3: So but you said something, and we're gonna wrap things
Speaker 3: up though you said that you have no plans on
Speaker 3: going back to watch the next season of Potomac, and
Speaker 3: I would love to know why.
Speaker 2: I am not interested.
Speaker 1: None of the kind of discourse on social media has
Speaker 1: gotten me interested. It just it feels like there's a
Speaker 1: formula right now with specifically with the Real Housewives. There's
Speaker 1: a formula, and I don't like what that formula is.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's pick and this is if you watch
Speaker 1: every city, this is happening across cities. Let's pick one
Speaker 1: person this season and try to ruin their fucking lives. Like,
Speaker 1: let's pick one person and let's make them regret the day.
Speaker 2: They were born.
Speaker 1: Type of thing like it might not be that dramatic,
Speaker 1: but as a viewer, I'm watching this and I'm just
Speaker 1: like every city, there's one person that is like just
Speaker 1: having the worst time of it, and it's like it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel fun. Like I said, it feels like they're
Speaker 1: out to just ruin each other's lives for the sake
Speaker 1: of what like being the favorites on a Reddit thread
Speaker 1: or being the favorites on social media.
Speaker 2: Like it's not that deep.
Speaker 1: Just go back to like talking about each other's hair
Speaker 1: and like the freaking welcome mats in front of your
Speaker 1: doors and pressure washing your houses. Like go back to
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because that is a show that
Speaker 1: I will watch.
Speaker 3: Married to Media Marriati, Battistan is really the best show
Speaker 3: on Bravo.
Speaker 4: But I cannot agree with you more.
Speaker 3: And that's why, again I have to speak on the
Speaker 3: basis of being a producer. That's why I'm very picky
Speaker 3: about producers are hire because a lot of the new
Speaker 3: producers are fans of the show. And that's fine to
Speaker 3: be a fan of of these of these reality shows,
Speaker 3: but they want the low hanging fruit. They want the altercation,
Speaker 3: they want the constant arguments, and I feel like we
Speaker 3: need to get back to what old Atlanta used to be.
Speaker 4: When you know you saw Nini talk to her son.
Speaker 3: About not living up to you know, being an adult
Speaker 3: in the house, you know where you saw even look
Speaker 3: no Shay, you saw Kenya have a really special moment
Speaker 3: of trying to find her mom in Detroit and knocking
Speaker 3: on the doors. That shade for pay is dope in
Speaker 3: terms of how you coined it, because I've always said
Speaker 3: it's not a shade contest. It's now how can I
Speaker 3: eviscerate you verbally? How can I have these one liners?
Speaker 3: I can to make a k O T shirt and
Speaker 3: sell my merch and it's no longer about relationships. I
Speaker 3: don't think you guys understand it's a big deal for
Speaker 3: Jasmine to say that she has no interest in watching
Speaker 3: Potomac because she and I met on the basis of
Speaker 3: like loving that show together.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it saddens me to hear that.
Speaker 3: But my hope is that the casts who are listening,
Speaker 3: I really want y'all to talk about this episode and
Speaker 3: to really listen to Jasmine's point of view, because true
Speaker 3: t I had no idea what Jasmine was going to say.
Speaker 3: I text her yesterday I said his last minute, can
Speaker 3: you join me? I don't want to do this by myself.
Speaker 3: I would love to do it with you. I am
Speaker 3: getting this in real time, what Jasmine is saying. So
Speaker 3: this was not like prepped, and unlike y'all, we didn't
Speaker 3: have a script. So I really hope, Shade, I really
Speaker 3: hope that they listened to you. So what would it
Speaker 3: take for you to watch Potomac again?
Speaker 2: Unpopular opinion?
Speaker 1: Get rid of everyone except Candice?
Speaker 4: Not explain?
Speaker 1: So Giselle and Robin have the same formula, and they're
Speaker 1: not going to give us more than what they've given
Speaker 1: us already. I think the last season when we saw
Speaker 1: like Gazelle dating, I think his name was Sherman, and
Speaker 1: someone brought Sherman's ex and I think that embarrassed Gazelle
Speaker 1: so badly. I don't think we're ever getting real storylines
Speaker 1: about her love life, which is what people want to see,
Speaker 1: because that's that's where you know, the most drama lies
Speaker 1: for her. That's the thing when people want to come
Speaker 1: for Gazelle, that's what you don't have a man. You
Speaker 1: can't keep a man, right. We want to see her date,
Speaker 1: and you know, we want to see the ups and
Speaker 1: downs of that. But she's not going to give us that,
Speaker 1: so she's gone because of that. While I do as
Speaker 1: a reality TV personality, Gizelle is good. If she was
Speaker 1: willing to like not be such a this one note character,
Speaker 1: she was going to give us real shit, Giselle could say.
Speaker 2: But she's not, so she can go.
Speaker 4: Robin.
Speaker 1: I used to call Robin Robin paint dry Dixon because
Speaker 1: I just wasn't entertained. Now what I've heard though, is
Speaker 1: that this year she has been bringing it. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's too little, too late. Now I know all the
Speaker 1: things are happening. I know I'm never I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: work in this town again.
Speaker 4: No, that's the gag.
Speaker 3: Because of that, you are going to mark if that's
Speaker 3: the gag.
Speaker 1: I think for Robin, she has these things going on
Speaker 1: with Want's case and like him cheating and.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is not the stuff that's going
Speaker 1: on with Want's case, but the cheating in the marriage.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of a last ditch effort.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't believe it. I don't feel it.
Speaker 1: I just don't really see it. For Robin, I never
Speaker 1: have to be honest, that's my bias showing. Like she said,
Speaker 1: she she doesn't like Wendy. That's why she wasn't defending
Speaker 1: why I don't enjoy Robin as a character on the show.
Speaker 1: So she can go for me, she could to have
Speaker 1: gone a long time ago. Mia can go. I don't
Speaker 1: need to say too much more about that, but Mia, bye, sweetie.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think that Wendy is an amazing person, and
Speaker 1: I think she's so smart, she is beautiful. I just
Speaker 1: think reality TV is gonna push Wendy to a place
Speaker 1: that she's not gonna be able to recover from in
Speaker 1: terms of like who she really wants to be in
Speaker 1: this world. And so for that reason, I think she
Speaker 1: could go. It's not that I don't enjoy her, but
Speaker 1: I think she wants to be perceived as something that
Speaker 1: reality TV is not going to allow her to be. Karen, listen,
Speaker 1: I love the Grandame, but she can go for me.
Speaker 2: She can go.
Speaker 1: She's en daring, but it's not giving iconic and legendary
Speaker 1: like it was the first couple of seasons. Karen has
Speaker 1: done what she needed to do for this franchise, and
Speaker 1: she can bow out gracefully. That's where I'm going with
Speaker 1: Karen and who is left Ashley forgot about her too,
Speaker 1: you know what, I take that back, actually, because we
Speaker 1: love a good train wreck Candace and Ashley can say
Speaker 1: because Ashley, I need to. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: more there with Ashley's story, and I think Ashley is
Speaker 1: also very inauthentic in the way she shows up on
Speaker 1: the show as well. But I do think that there
Speaker 1: is a lot more to go with her story and
Speaker 1: her children and stuff like that. So I think keep Candace,
Speaker 1: keep Ashley, get some more like older women, because I
Speaker 1: realized Candace Ashley are very young and like housewives speak,
Speaker 1: So maybe we get some other older women to and
Speaker 1: build a cast around that. But you're the executive producer,
Speaker 1: what do you think of my analysis?
Speaker 3: I really need to think about this because I will
Speaker 3: say this prior to you saying that this is why
Speaker 3: I love you, because you and I always think of
Speaker 3: like I did say, Giselle is never ever, ever, ever
Speaker 3: bringing on a man she loves on the show anymore
Speaker 3: after Sherman, I said, after Sherman that was heartbreaking for
Speaker 3: her because I was told behind the scenes Giselle was
Speaker 3: really in love with Sherman like really in love with him,
Speaker 3: and he left allegedly because he said, oh I'm a baby,
Speaker 3: I ain't doing this, it ain't worth it, so he left.
Speaker 3: So I agree with you there. I've always said I
Speaker 3: think it's Ashley's time to go. I really want to
Speaker 3: think about the rest up until you said that, I
Speaker 3: only said let Ashley go, and I said, I only
Speaker 3: think Robin should stay on the show, only ever getting
Speaker 3: every single thing.
Speaker 4: Between her and Wan.
Speaker 3: Wan must film, He must come to the reunion like
Speaker 3: he must give us all day.
Speaker 4: If he's not, Robie can go.
Speaker 3: And the thing with Giselle, who I love, Giselle's gonna
Speaker 3: have to change. Gazelle's going to have to take off
Speaker 3: her producer hat and give us some ulnerable moments. Do
Speaker 3: I think Gisel is in love? That went the house guy?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I said, stop playing in my face,
Speaker 1: Please stop playing with me. And what reality we talked
Speaker 1: about this before when it was Heather and Gina hanging out,
Speaker 1: And what reality does that matchup actually happen and actually work?
Speaker 1: And what reality does Gisel Bryant, Giselle Kobe Bryant work
Speaker 1: hang out with this man and be.
Speaker 2: In a serious relationship and love him.
Speaker 1: When Giselle told us a couple of seasons ago what
Speaker 1: she likes, I think she said, a dark skinned man,
Speaker 1: hung like a horse, lots of money.
Speaker 2: That man is not chocolate.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his Genna Telia looks like, but
Speaker 1: what I can tell you from the looks of it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he has the coin for Giselle.
Speaker 2: And that's no shade to him. He's a young man,
Speaker 2: though he's a you.
Speaker 1: His money isn't long enough for what I think Giselle
Speaker 1: is kind of requiring. Now, Giselle has just gotten to
Speaker 1: the point in her life where she's like, look, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to have some fun. I'm trying to wear my
Speaker 1: whistle from time to time. Okay, that's believable to me,
Speaker 1: but not as a serious contender, like stop playing me
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 4: No, that was the thing.
Speaker 3: It was like, stop again. Gizelle likes a dark skinned man,
Speaker 3: she said out her own mouth. And the other thing
Speaker 3: Jasmine said, So that's why Potomac, to me, is in trouble,
Speaker 3: because they're going to have to have truly a real
Speaker 3: sit down about what they're willing to give. And based
Speaker 3: upon that Jasmine is when I would say, as a producer,
Speaker 3: you can stay, you.
Speaker 4: Can go, you can go.
Speaker 3: I think whose job are safe is Candace and Wendy
Speaker 3: because I think Candice and Wendy are willing to give
Speaker 3: everything to the show, and I feel like they want to,
Speaker 3: but they're working with women who want to just have
Speaker 3: one storyline of how can we embarrass you the most?
Speaker 3: And people are over it. So you heard it here
Speaker 3: from Jasmine and Carlos. In order to make Potomac great again,
Speaker 3: Let's just say a lot of changes are going to have.
Speaker 1: To be made in order to make Potomac great again.
Speaker 1: You got to make Potomac real again.
Speaker 4: And there you have it.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jasmine Heley Brown. I know you private child,
Speaker 3: but if you want to, honey, let the folks know
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