1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me you had a dangerous, violence, aggressive, 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: tall woman with huge feet. According to Candace, you let 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: that person come in the house and stay with you. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: But Monique and Kandas are making black women look bad. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: What is Mia doing? 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: What is Mia doing? Because it's the same situation, same setting. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: Stay tuned, we'll be right back after these quick ads. 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: Welcome to Reality with the King. 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: television with over ten years a production experience. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 4: Once a week from Reality with the King, we'll. 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: Sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: are still talking and tweeting about. All right, rain Drop, 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: So look, I did have a six week hiatus for 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: Reality with the King podcast, and during that time, my love, 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: the executive producer, Well now she's the former executive producer, 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: but she is. 20 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: The forever fan favorite. 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: One of my most requested guests is returning. 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: Yes, honey, we got Dash and Hally. 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: Brown Baby, Oh my gosh, Hello, it's so weird to 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: be on this side and having you prepped me the 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: executive producer, prepping the executive producer to talk to the 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: executive producer. 27 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: And in the worlds of OG, I am your favorite 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: executive producers, favorite executive producer. 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Periods, our own little like multiverse of madness that we 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: got going on. 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 4: How are you? So listen, it's all about you. 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: Just give the rain drops a quick update, because look, 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: they love you. They miss you, and people on the 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: streets be like, where's Jasmine Child, and I'd be like, 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: I ain't telling Jazzmin's business child. 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: I love it they're looking for the twenty three year 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: old Jasmine. I love how somebody really thought your friend 38 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: really thought I was twenty three. No long ways away. Yes, 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: I've been great. I am at Sony now. So I'm 40 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: the executive producer of Entertainment Podcasts at Sony, and it's 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: been a really cool journey. I miss you obviously, like yeah, 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: but we still talk. Though we still talk, but I 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: miss just kind of like being with you in terms 44 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: of like working with you on the show and helping 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: you out in all of that. So it's so good 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: to just be back with you in this form outside 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: of me just like calling you, like Hey, you got 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: five minutes and then thirty minutes later were still on 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: the phone. 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: So it's good to be here. 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: So look, we have to do a deep dive into 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: Platon and what went wrong this season to the point 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: where a lot of people are turned off by it. 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you because you're not only 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: my friend, you're not only a fan favorite. 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: You're also a fan of Potomac. 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 3: You're a black woman as well, and all of those 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: things to me is a condition in terms of. 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: Who I wanted to talk to about this topic. 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: I did not want to do this alone because I 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: wanted somebody who, again unlike me, who's not in the 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: reality business, who doesn't have a sort of deep relationship. 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 4: With the cast. 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk to you about it because 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: we follow each other on Twitter and honey ms Jasmine said, 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: you stopped watching Potomac this past season. 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I did. 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I think the last thing I remember was them they 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: went somewhere and they were at they were on a bus. 71 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: I think Wendy put something together. 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: It might have been in episode two or three, and 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: it was when Yeah, Wendy hath them burn the paper, 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: and I remember, is that that happened earlier this season, right. 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: Jasmine, that's like episode thought, Yeah. 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: That's that's the last episode. I remember watching the way 77 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: they tried to do Candace or the way that they 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: were setting it up they were going to try to 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: do Candace and Chris. I don't fuck with that at all. 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: That felt so dark to me and just nasty. And 81 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm biased because I really enjoy Candace, Like I think 82 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Candace is a star to me, right, So I'm biased absolutely, 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: but I just felt like watching anybody the way we 84 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: had watched Candace and Chris and for that to kind 85 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: of be the storyline they were going with. 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if they continued. 87 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: With that for the entire season, but I saw that 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: and immediately I was like, no, this is very very dark. 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: The Housewives just has gotten into a place, all of them, right, 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: every city, they've gotten to a place where like they're 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: trying to ruin families, like it's not fun Shade anymore, 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: Like y'all are trying to ruin people. 93 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: And they just really turned me off. 94 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: And it just felt like this is a group of 95 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: women and these are not friends in any sense of 96 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: the imagination. When filming starts, they come, they clock in, 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: they you know, discuss their little story lines or whatever. 98 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: They film the show, and they don't talk to each 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: other once that's done. Obviously, Giselle and Robin do because 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: they have a podcast together, but it doesn't feel like 101 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: any of them are actually friends. And it just wasn't 102 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: a good watch to me. I didn't get good vibes 103 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: from it, so I stopped whatever that episode was where 104 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: they were burning a paper child at and they weren't 105 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: really trying to hear Wendy out with hers and yeah, 106 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Ashley turned on candidate. 107 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: It's real quick. I was like, yes, these these witches 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: are getting dark. 109 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: And I say bitch as a term of endearment, like 110 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: love them down, respect to all women, but you know 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: it's a term of endearment. 112 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: Yes, And listen, now that we don't work with each 113 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: other tomore, we can't reveal that we call each other 114 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: bitches all the time. Time. 115 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: I have to check for myself because I know everybody 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: isn't a fan of that word, and I do, you know, 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: genuinely apologize if you're offended by that. 118 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: But that's how me and mine, that's how we communicate. 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: No, that's you and I communicate, And I had no 120 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: idea that you stopped watching it that early. Like I said, 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: I did not notice this until last week on Twitter 122 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: when you revealed that you stopped watching this season at all. 123 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: One of the things that you and I both used 124 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: to enjoy about Potomac was it was fun. It was 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: fun shade, It was light shade. And although we knew 126 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: that Giselle was a producer and wore her producer had, 127 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: we both never felt that it was so obvious in 128 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: terms of making things happen out of nowhere and pulling 129 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: things out of thin air. And the problem with this 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: season was the fact that it's truly everything you said. 131 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: It was very dark. And the reason why I'm happy 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: we're talking about this is because a physical fight does 133 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: not always mean that's the only way things are dark 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: on reality TV. At the time of my interview with Giselle, 135 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: Jasmine was still on board as the EP of the show, 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: and I don't want to put words of. 137 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: Your mouth, but we all felt like, Okayjisell was a 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: cool woman. 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And what I always tell people is outside of 140 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: the show, the Gizelle that I know personally is a 141 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: breath of fresh air. 142 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 4: She's so fun. 143 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: However, when she's on the show, I feel like Giselle 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: holds the weight of the show on her shoulders and 145 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: she feels the need to behave in a way that 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: is really going to turn people on her. 147 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way that I've been seeing people carry 148 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: on about Gazelle is completely different than I think the 149 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Gizelle that I was able to meet when she came 150 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: on your show. I will say, obviously I only had 151 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: that experience with her, and I recognize she was coming 152 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: on your show. I'm an executive producer of your show. 153 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: There's a level of the quorum that you know, we 154 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: had with each other. So I think there is a 155 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: politeness and a kindness there. But I also think that 156 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm a very good judge of character, and Giselle just 157 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't come off like a nasty person like. She came 158 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: off like a very cool, like down to earth woman. 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: And so so you know, hearing what I'm hearing about her, 160 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: that she's colorless, that she's evil in all of this, 161 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: it feels like it's a different character. Like it feels 162 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: like it's a character that she's portraying on television. But again, 163 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: I can't really say for sure. I only met her 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: for what like an hour and a half, so I 165 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: don't know if that's how she carries on in her 166 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: real life outside of situations like this. I think the 167 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: Chris thing. I do think there are worlds where, like 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: your perception of what's happening is could be uncomfortable. Like 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: whatever did happen with her and Chris? If he made 170 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: her uncomfortable, that's Giselle's story to tell, right, like none 171 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: of us can tell her he didn't do it. I 172 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: think the way that it was blown up was very unfair, 173 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: and we all know that a lot of people can't 174 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, think or have discussions with nuance. So it's like, 175 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: once you say a man tried to be in my 176 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: room with us alone and made me feel uncomfortable, people 177 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: are going to automatically assume the worst. 178 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: And that's what I didn't like about it. 179 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: It is like, I don't I think there was a 180 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: point where she did try to Like, I wasn't saying 181 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: he did anything, It's just how I felt, and I 182 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: do think that's the right stance to take. But I 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: just think the way it was presented, you can't unring 184 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: that bell once. Once it's wrung, Once you say what 185 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: you say, you can't go back and like dial it back. 186 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't really like that. You should have presented 187 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: it that way. 188 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: Initially, I'm confused, and I think that's why I don't 189 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: like the show anymore, because I'm like, who are these 190 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: women really? 191 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: And truly? 192 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: Now, listen, you're confused, I'm confused. Think about it. I 193 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: praised the show. 194 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: I told my millions of listeners how much I love 195 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 3: the show. I gave Gazelle the coveted position and being 196 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: in the top ten greatest Housewives of all time. So 197 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: you're not alone, Jasmine in your confusion. As I was 198 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: watching this season, because I did watch more episodes than you. 199 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you. 200 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: I always said, Jasmine, something's off about this season. So 201 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 3: when it was revealed that not only are we confused 202 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: about this Chris Bassett story, because listen, in Giselle's defense, 203 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: I have spoken to people who are friends with Giselle, 204 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: and they also told me that Gazelle told them days 205 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: after it happened that she did feel uncomfortable. So I 206 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: want to make people understand that Giselle, in real life, 207 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: we have mutual friends. 208 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: Our mutual friends have told me personally. 209 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: To Gazelle's credit, she did tell us that she felt 210 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: uncomfortable with Chris. 211 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: That is a truth. 212 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: I think the part that gets confusing is she waited 213 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: over a year to. 214 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 4: Talk about it on the show. 215 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: And although, as a producer myself, yes, we want you 216 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: to bring things to life to the show, but I 217 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: think that year and a half gap of not talking 218 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: about it and Giselle saying, well, I brought it up 219 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: because Ashley was talking about these dms. It's sort of like, Okay, 220 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: Ashley had an instant story. She posted a video in 221 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: her stories responded to Ashley's story and said, why didn't 222 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: y'all come to the job he works at the w 223 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: Hotel and party and Ashley allegedly took that to the 224 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: alleged meeting that the housewives have before filming, and that's 225 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: how they made this part of the storyline allegedly. 226 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: Not pre production, Yes, this. 227 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 3: Is pre production, and that's what made Giselle allegedly bring 228 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: up the Chris Bassett thing and they started to put 229 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: this issue together. So that's why it's confusing Jasmine too, 230 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: because it did happen over a year ago. To Gizelle's credit, 231 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: he told people immediately, but she did not tell To 232 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: your point again, Jazz, if Candace is your friend, why 233 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: are you telling every Tom, Dick and Harry about this? 234 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: But you don't tell the woman you claim to be 235 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: friends with who you're on the show. 236 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: And if your intentions weren't to make Chris seem like 237 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: a bad person, why not tell Candace in private without 238 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: cameras there right, Like, you know, Jiselle's a brilliant woman. 239 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: She knows what the implications are of telling Candace that 240 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: about her husband on national television. You know what that 241 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: was gonna do. So if you really did care for Candace, 242 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: or if you weren't trying to make it what it became, 243 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: why not call her right after it happened, like, hey, girl, 244 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: this just happened. I know Chris is this type of guy, 245 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: but this did make me feel this way. And as 246 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: a woman, I'm sure you can understand that because what 247 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: I also have come to know I think we've all 248 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: come to know about Candace. She's rational until you activate her, 249 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: but she's a rational person. So I think Candace would 250 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: have understood if Giselle called her and said that and 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: even if Candace didn't, y'all can do that over the phone. 252 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to wait until the cameras are rolling 253 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: to then tell her that, because one you know, is 254 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: gonna activate her and piss her off. And then you 255 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: know what that looks like to the rest of us 256 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: watching like it just it feels dark. 257 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: No, it does, And what also felt dark was and 258 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw the clips online about. 259 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: This jazz Mea throwing a drink on Wendy. 260 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I always forget that Mia exists, but yet. 261 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 4: Damn jazz. 262 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Mia did give us a she gave but no, okay, 263 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: I'll give me a this does a frog have a 264 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: watertight asshole? I text you that you did so, yes, 265 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: that thank you for your contribution. 266 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 4: And that's it. 267 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: It feels like she's always trying too hard. And we 268 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: talked about this when we were having the discussion about 269 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Orange County and Noela right, like, they have 270 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the makings of really good housewives, but they are trying 271 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: too hard and it's just coming off very inauthentic and 272 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: just hard to follow, hard to relate to, hard to like, 273 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: hard to like, hard to like on the show. 274 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: For me, when you saw her throw a drink on 275 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: Wendy and you saw the aftermath, because again, I'm pretty 276 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: sure you saw the clips of it, or. 277 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: Did you not. 278 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: I want to say I have seen the clip of 279 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: that happen because she threw it kind of like backhandidly, 280 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: like she was sitting next to Wendy. 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I've seen that clip. 282 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she threw it to her faith and she 283 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: did it, and then she tried to hit. 284 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: Her with her purse. She tried to like, no, I know. 285 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: This is the reason why I got upset about that. 286 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: And me and dj Ritchie Sky did a recap about 287 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: that episode, and he felt so strongly too, how disgusting 288 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: and dark it was. We all agreed to that Mia 289 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: took her purse and was trying to hit Wendy with 290 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: her purse. 291 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: That's guttersnipe behavior. 292 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: Not guttersnipe Jasmine. 293 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: It got so bad that Wendy's employer, John Hopkins University 294 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: child They put a black car up and said this 295 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: university has no connection to the real housewats of Potomac. 296 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: Wait where did they put that? 297 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: They put that? You know how you put the black 298 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: car up at the end. 299 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm the TV I think. 300 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: On the TV screen. 301 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, but you don't. I don't want 302 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: to harp on the past. What was the reaction to 303 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: their coworkers after this happened, Because I really want to 304 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: draw a line. 305 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna tell you something, Jasmine. Let me 306 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 4: tell you what happened first. 307 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: So, after Mia through a drink on Wendy, Robin took 308 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: her phone out and started recording it, and there were 309 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: numerous shots of Robin laughing at what was going on 310 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: in front of her. Then Giselle was eating her dinner 311 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: and telling what Wendy was. Of course, you know, listen, 312 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: a black girl got a drink thrown, so of course 313 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: you're reacting like black folks do. 314 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna beat her. You know, I'm gonna do this. 315 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that. 316 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: That was Wendy's natural reaction, right so as any black 317 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: woman in that situation done the same thing. 318 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm about to whoop her boom boom. 319 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: Even Phaedra, who has esquad after her last name, tried 320 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: to be like an esther and get her purse and 321 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: hit Kenya with it. Because when a black girl is 322 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: and that things happen, so Gizelle should know that she 323 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: went to an HBCU. 324 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: When a person physically a tax you, that should be 325 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: your next go to to defend yourself. 326 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: Is I know a child. 327 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: Some of these Bisley Hills housewives don't, so any who, 328 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: Wendy was saying that and Gizelle was like, she might 329 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: hit you back. 330 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: You know you need to sit down paraphrasing. 331 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: A few days later after that aired, I saw Giselle 332 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: at Portia's wedding. Me and Giselle said next to each 333 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: other at Porsia's Nigerian wedding. 334 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 4: Because me and Giselle are friends. 335 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: I will never disclose a private conversation to the public, 336 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: but what I will share with you, Jasmine and the 337 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: listeners is the fact that I really took that moment 338 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: and told Giselle how I felt, and I was very 339 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: sincere with. 340 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: Giselle, who I love. 341 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: I really had a real deep conversation with Giselle. And 342 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: the only thing I will say is at the very end, 343 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: jose Yelle had her rebuttal to me, right, because. 344 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: That's what friends do. 345 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: Me and Jasmine always have rebuttals because I feel like 346 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: when you're passionate about something you just It's not always 347 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: like yes, ma'am, yes, sorry, no, you have a rebuttal 348 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: to Jaselle's credit. At the very end of our conversation, 349 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: Giselle said, I see your point. 350 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: I got you, and I. 351 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: Wanted to share that because I know Gizelle gets a 352 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: lot of flack and I have had numerous moments of 353 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: being disappointed with Giselle numerous If a friend can't be 354 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: real with you, you don't want to grow. And my concern 355 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: for Gizelle is she doesn't have many or any people 356 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 3: around her Jasmin who can tell her like. 357 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: You need to stop. 358 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: And when I say that, I mean it's the circle 359 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: of friends you're around. Robin, if that's your best friend, 360 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: both of y'all should be holding each other account of Bell. 361 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be Carlos King, and it should also be 362 00:17:58,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: the production. 363 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: Can Robin hold her accountable? 364 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Robin feels the same way and holds the same views, 365 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: It's impossible. My expectation isn't for Robin to hold Jozel 366 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: accountable for anything. Like I said, it's a character that 367 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: she's playing. That's why it's like really hard to just 368 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: get with. You know, at this point, we know reality TV. 369 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: That's a loose term, right, yes, But her saying I 370 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: see your point at the end of your talk at 371 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Portia's wedding speaks to the person that I met when 372 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: she came to do your show. She seems reasonable, right, 373 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: she seems nice, kind, Right, That's not the person that 374 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: people are experiencing on Potomac. And again I say, which 375 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: one is the real? Will the real Zelle Bryant please 376 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: stand up. 377 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: For real? 378 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it, like show yourself, because 379 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: she seems like such a likable person when she's not 380 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: playing the Giselle on potomach I think her even just 381 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of encouraging. Wendy and MIA's kind of feud is 382 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: also very contradictory because with my Nique in Candace Spot 383 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: it was, y'all, are you know representing black women wrong? 384 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: And I forgot all the ship she pulled bringing security 385 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: around her. Did she bring security with her the next 386 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: time she was around Mia? I'm gonna assume. 387 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: No, no. 388 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: And then Mia was allowed to stay in the house 389 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: after the fight and Wendy had to go into a 390 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: hotel room. 391 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: So, Yumana, tell me you had a dangerous violence, aggressive 392 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: tall woman with huge feet according to the Candace, you 393 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: let that person come in the house and stay with you. 394 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: But Monique and Candace are making black women look bad. 395 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: What is Mia doing? 396 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: What is MEA doing? 397 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: Because it's the same situation, same setting. She's aggressive because 398 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: according to you know what I've been seeing on Twitter, 399 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: she also is very shady for pay. She chased her 400 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: best friends and her people. That's aggressive. Hashtag aggressive Mia. 401 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: She's taken that from Ashley from around marriag JC. It's 402 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: aggressive Mia. 403 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: Exactly instead of aggressive Ashley A love it bat DC 404 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: jas was calling her aggressive via Heypotomac. No, Jasmine, you 405 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 3: just said something and the light bulb in my head 406 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: went off when you said that, it's shade for pay. 407 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you this. 408 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: You have perfectly coined a term that fits how these 409 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: new reality stars are so desperate for a moment that 410 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: they no longer want to showcase what's really happening in 411 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: their lives because they feel like, if I'm on TV, 412 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: it is shade for pay. And I can be hard 413 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: on the on the reality stars. As a producer, I 414 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 3: also have to be hard on the producers. And the 415 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: only thing I want for Giselle is to get on 416 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: camera and have a moment of humility to say I 417 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: was wrong, Wendy, I was wrong. 418 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 4: I was wrong. I was being duplicitous. You're right. I 419 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: should have kept that same energy. I'm not perfect. I'm wrong. 420 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: Giselle, if you're listening, and the producers too. This is 421 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: a two person job. Jasmine was my EP on Reality 422 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: with the King for almost a year, and she would 423 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 3: even say to me, I don't like that. 424 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: You said that. 425 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: I don't like that, or hey, you said something, but 426 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you knew how people are gonna 427 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: take it. I said to her, Oh my gosh, yes, 428 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: oh that wasn't my intention, though she said, oh, I didn't. 429 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: Think it was. But I'm just I'm helping you. 430 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: But this intelligent black woman who I love and trust, 431 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: checked me, and I allowed myself to be censored. 432 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: I allowed myself to be checked. 433 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: And if you want to row with the big dogs, 434 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to allow people to check you. 435 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: Who. 436 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 4: I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more. 437 00:21:53,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after these quick asss. This is 438 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get 439 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: back into the show. Allegedly, some of the Potomac Girls 440 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: are mad because of my recent comments about colorism, and 441 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: how I was so disappointed that they spoke about this 442 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: important topic for two minutes on the show. And let's 443 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 3: be clear, the reason why I wanted more of a 444 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: discourse about this is because the colorism accusations have been 445 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: happening for three years. It's not like you just came 446 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: up last week. It's been happening for three years. So 447 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 3: to address it only for two minutes is why I 448 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: was disturbed, and I wanted to see some humility from Giselle, 449 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: Karen Robin, and Mia to say, it's our job as 450 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: life skinned women to listen to really see your point 451 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: of view, so that we can see that maybe subconsciously 452 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: we are doing something that we didn't know we were doing. 453 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: We're not colorists, but maybe our behavior is aligning with that, 454 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: and for that we apologize. 455 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: But none of that happened, Jasmine, because I. 456 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Think the idea of colorism, and be clear, I'm very 457 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: very cautious about assigning anyism to people because I understand 458 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: when you're on a reality TV show, we're only getting 459 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: little bits and pieces of what has actually occurred, and 460 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the producers have done this, but 461 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: they can edit anyway they want. Now, what they can't 462 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: edit is what you are actually doing and actually saying. 463 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: But they can splice shit together to make it look 464 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: like something like we've seen it over the years. 465 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: Right. 466 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: And so while they might not come out and say 467 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: I am colorists, I think what they could have done 468 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: will say I understand how I could be perpetuating colorism. 469 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: I recognized that. 470 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: My treatment of Wendy when aggressive Mia attacked her was 471 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: very different than when I saw Monique and Candice have 472 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: a fight. I recognized that I had a different reaction, 473 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: and I can understand how that may be perceived as colorism. 474 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: I am not a colorist person, but I can understand 475 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: one how I benefited from colorism into how I can 476 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: perpetuate it. 477 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: And had they just said that, I. 478 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: Think they need to hire Jasmin Hilly Brown to be 479 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: producer and potoma now and listen, I'm not saying that's 480 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: a two throw shade. Yeah, and again listen the moment 481 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: I saw this podcast, thanks to Jasmine, she and I 482 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 3: had a conversation. I said, as long as I'm honest, 483 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: I don't care about what people are going to say 484 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: about me, I have to stay within my honesty and 485 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: me being genuine. The reason why I said that, Jasmine 486 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 3: about you may be needing to join the production. They're 487 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 3: going to need someone that is able to keep it 488 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: real with them, the way you kept it real to 489 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: me in our personal relationship, the way you were so 490 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: able to like beautifully articulate the messaging of what I 491 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 3: was trying to say. But again, I'm not a dark 492 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: skinned black woman, and I have a knowledge that I'm 493 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: still learning about my privilege being a light skinned man 494 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 3: and what that brought me in my life. 495 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 4: But I at least will always say I don't know. 496 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: I'm here to do better, and it's not my intention 497 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: but my behavior, I could do better. And I think 498 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 3: to your point, so wonderfully, that's all we wanted, And 499 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: I wish that they had somebody who looks like you, 500 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: who has your experience of diversity in life, to be 501 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: able to say to them, Hey, I'm going to say 502 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: something to y'all that y'all may not like, but this 503 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: is going to help you in the long run. 504 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 4: It's one or two things happening. Either no one is 505 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 4: there telling them this, or you. 506 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: Girls some of y'all are so egotistical that you don't 507 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: want to change. And if you don't change, my fear 508 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: is that you guys are in your Real Housewives of 509 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: Atlanta era, meaning the latter seasons and what I mean 510 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: by that, and this is my opinion. 511 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 4: The show's in trouble. Jasmin was a fan of the 512 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 4: show and said she stopped watching it entirely, and. 513 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: I have no plans to go back to watch it. Yeah, 514 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: I do want to follow up on a couple of 515 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: things you said. One, I did not know that you 516 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: consider yourself light skin. 517 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: Oh well, let's talk about it. 518 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'm rocking, I'm rolling. 519 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: No, this was crazy. I as Carlos King, the human being. 520 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: I don't. 521 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: Okay. 522 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: However, some people in the world do. And I had 523 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 3: to learn the true story my. 524 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: Man, because I'd be like, yeah, you know, it's a 525 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: brown skin. 526 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: He said you think you brown? I said I am brown. 527 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: He said your light skin. And then I get that 528 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: a lot. So to your to your credit, I don't. 529 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: The world does. And it's sort of like how Halle 530 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 3: Berry's mother told her, yes, you're by racial, how you're 531 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: a black woman, because that's how the world will perceive you. 532 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: So that's why I had to all of a sudden 533 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: because again I'm listening. I was always told that because 534 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: you're not dark skin or dark brown, the world will 535 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: look at your skin and say you're light just by 536 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: courtesy of you not being a dark skinned man. 537 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: I always find conversations around colorism so interesting because I 538 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: didn't grow up thinking that being dark was like a 539 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: bad thing. I have cousins who are very, very light, 540 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: and they always like made fun of each other for 541 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: being like really really light. I won't repeat the names 542 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: that they've called each other because they're very problematic, but 543 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: they always I grew up watching them like torment each 544 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: other about being light. And then my mother when I 545 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: was growing up, every time I would ask her, like 546 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: what her favorite color was, she would be like chocolate brown, 547 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: like you right, So like I always grew up with 548 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: my skin color being affirm like feeling like I was 549 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: so beautiful and so cute, even when I know I 550 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: looked awkward because I look back at photos. 551 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, I look funny. 552 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: She's like, no, you beautiful, Like you always are beautiful, right, 553 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: So I've always grown up having kind of my skin 554 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: color or whatever affirmed, and so I really didn't understand 555 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: that colorism was like a real thing until I want 556 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: to say, my teen year. So I do think I 557 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: have an advantage in a way of like looking at it, 558 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: and I think to some people it is a little naive, because, 559 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: like I said, I wouldn't go off the rip and 560 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: just accuse all the light skinned women on Potomac of 561 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: being colorists. I think that they have displayed colorist views 562 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: and they perpetuated colorism, yes, but I think my view 563 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: on it is a little different, And it's not to 564 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: take away from the experiences, because I know it's not 565 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: common right that, like when you're dark skinned to grow 566 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: up to be made to feel like you are the 567 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: most beautiful person to ever walk the planet. 568 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: But my parents made me feel like that. 569 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: When I am articulating a message that Giselle and Robin 570 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: and Mia and Karen, what they could have said is 571 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: coming from a place of like I'm looking at this 572 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: with the bird's eye view, and like just say that 573 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: you were aware, or you didn't look at it that way, 574 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: or you weren't trying. 575 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: To be colorist. That's a better way to say it. 576 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: Like we all are gonna make mistakes, and we all 577 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: perpetuate privileges that we hold also people that don't hold 578 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: those those same privileges, And so all you have to 579 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: do is just acknowledge that I was perpetuating that, and 580 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: I know what it looked like, but that wasn't my attention. 581 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, And let Wendy throw a drink back 582 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: on me, get your on my up. 583 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: I can look back, because. 584 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: That's how it really is. 585 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: So but you said something, and we're gonna wrap things 586 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: up though you said that you have no plans on 587 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: going back to watch the next season of Potomac, and 588 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: I would love to know why. 589 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: I am not interested. 590 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: None of the kind of discourse on social media has 591 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: gotten me interested. It just it feels like there's a 592 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: formula right now with specifically with the Real Housewives. There's 593 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: a formula, and I don't like what that formula is. 594 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: It's like, let's pick and this is if you watch 595 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: every city, this is happening across cities. Let's pick one 596 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: person this season and try to ruin their fucking lives. Like, 597 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: let's pick one person and let's make them regret the day. 598 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: They were born. 599 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: Type of thing like it might not be that dramatic, 600 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: but as a viewer, I'm watching this and I'm just 601 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: like every city, there's one person that is like just 602 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: having the worst time of it, and it's like it 603 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: doesn't feel fun. Like I said, it feels like they're 604 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: out to just ruin each other's lives for the sake 605 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: of what like being the favorites on a Reddit thread 606 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: or being the favorites on social media. 607 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: Like it's not that deep. 608 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Just go back to like talking about each other's hair 609 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: and like the freaking welcome mats in front of your 610 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: doors and pressure washing your houses. Like go back to 611 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because that is a show that 612 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: I will watch. 613 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: Married to Media Marriati, Battistan is really the best show 614 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: on Bravo. 615 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: But I cannot agree with you more. 616 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: And that's why, again I have to speak on the 617 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: basis of being a producer. That's why I'm very picky 618 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: about producers are hire because a lot of the new 619 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: producers are fans of the show. And that's fine to 620 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: be a fan of of these of these reality shows, 621 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: but they want the low hanging fruit. They want the altercation, 622 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: they want the constant arguments, and I feel like we 623 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: need to get back to what old Atlanta used to be. 624 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: When you know you saw Nini talk to her son. 625 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: About not living up to you know, being an adult 626 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 3: in the house, you know where you saw even look 627 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 3: no Shay, you saw Kenya have a really special moment 628 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: of trying to find her mom in Detroit and knocking 629 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 3: on the doors. That shade for pay is dope in 630 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: terms of how you coined it, because I've always said 631 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: it's not a shade contest. It's now how can I 632 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: eviscerate you verbally? How can I have these one liners? 633 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: I can to make a k O T shirt and 634 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: sell my merch and it's no longer about relationships. I 635 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: don't think you guys understand it's a big deal for 636 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: Jasmine to say that she has no interest in watching 637 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Potomac because she and I met on the basis of 638 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: like loving that show together. 639 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: Yes, and it saddens me to hear that. 640 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 3: But my hope is that the casts who are listening, 641 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: I really want y'all to talk about this episode and 642 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: to really listen to Jasmine's point of view, because true 643 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: t I had no idea what Jasmine was going to say. 644 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: I text her yesterday I said his last minute, can 645 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: you join me? I don't want to do this by myself. 646 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: I would love to do it with you. I am 647 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: getting this in real time, what Jasmine is saying. So 648 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: this was not like prepped, and unlike y'all, we didn't 649 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: have a script. So I really hope, Shade, I really 650 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: hope that they listened to you. So what would it 651 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: take for you to watch Potomac again? 652 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: Unpopular opinion? 653 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: Get rid of everyone except Candice? 654 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 4: Not explain? 655 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: So Giselle and Robin have the same formula, and they're 656 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: not going to give us more than what they've given 657 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: us already. I think the last season when we saw 658 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: like Gazelle dating, I think his name was Sherman, and 659 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: someone brought Sherman's ex and I think that embarrassed Gazelle 660 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: so badly. I don't think we're ever getting real storylines 661 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: about her love life, which is what people want to see, 662 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: because that's that's where you know, the most drama lies 663 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: for her. That's the thing when people want to come 664 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: for Gazelle, that's what you don't have a man. You 665 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: can't keep a man, right. We want to see her date, 666 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: and you know, we want to see the ups and 667 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: downs of that. But she's not going to give us that, 668 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: so she's gone because of that. While I do as 669 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: a reality TV personality, Gizelle is good. If she was 670 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: willing to like not be such a this one note character, 671 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: she was going to give us real shit, Giselle could say. 672 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: But she's not, so she can go. 673 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: Robin. 674 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: I used to call Robin Robin paint dry Dixon because 675 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: I just wasn't entertained. Now what I've heard though, is 676 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: that this year she has been bringing it. But for me, 677 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: it's too little, too late. Now I know all the 678 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: things are happening. I know I'm never I'm never gonna 679 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: work in this town again. 680 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: No, that's the gag. 681 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 3: Because of that, you are going to mark if that's 682 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 3: the gag. 683 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: I think for Robin, she has these things going on 684 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: with Want's case and like him cheating and. 685 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: All of that. 686 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: I feel like this is not the stuff that's going 687 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: on with Want's case, but the cheating in the marriage. 688 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of a last ditch effort. 689 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: But I just I don't believe it. I don't feel it. 690 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: I just don't really see it. For Robin, I never 691 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: have to be honest, that's my bias showing. Like she said, 692 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: she she doesn't like Wendy. That's why she wasn't defending 693 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: why I don't enjoy Robin as a character on the show. 694 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: So she can go for me, she could to have 695 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: gone a long time ago. Mia can go. I don't 696 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: need to say too much more about that, but Mia, bye, sweetie. 697 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: I genuinely think that Wendy is an amazing person, and 698 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: I think she's so smart, she is beautiful. I just 699 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: think reality TV is gonna push Wendy to a place 700 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: that she's not gonna be able to recover from in 701 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: terms of like who she really wants to be in 702 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: this world. And so for that reason, I think she 703 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: could go. It's not that I don't enjoy her, but 704 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: I think she wants to be perceived as something that 705 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: reality TV is not going to allow her to be. Karen, listen, 706 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: I love the Grandame, but she can go for me. 707 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: She can go. 708 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: She's en daring, but it's not giving iconic and legendary 709 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: like it was the first couple of seasons. Karen has 710 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: done what she needed to do for this franchise, and 711 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: she can bow out gracefully. That's where I'm going with 712 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: Karen and who is left Ashley forgot about her too, 713 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I take that back, actually, because we 714 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: love a good train wreck Candace and Ashley can say 715 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: because Ashley, I need to. I think there's a lot 716 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: more there with Ashley's story, and I think Ashley is 717 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: also very inauthentic in the way she shows up on 718 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: the show as well. But I do think that there 719 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: is a lot more to go with her story and 720 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: her children and stuff like that. So I think keep Candace, 721 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: keep Ashley, get some more like older women, because I 722 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: realized Candace Ashley are very young and like housewives speak, 723 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: So maybe we get some other older women to and 724 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: build a cast around that. But you're the executive producer, 725 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: what do you think of my analysis? 726 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 3: I really need to think about this because I will 727 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: say this prior to you saying that this is why 728 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 3: I love you, because you and I always think of 729 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 3: like I did say, Giselle is never ever, ever, ever 730 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 3: bringing on a man she loves on the show anymore 731 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 3: after Sherman, I said, after Sherman that was heartbreaking for 732 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: her because I was told behind the scenes Giselle was 733 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 3: really in love with Sherman like really in love with him, 734 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 3: and he left allegedly because he said, oh I'm a baby, 735 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: I ain't doing this, it ain't worth it, so he left. 736 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: So I agree with you there. I've always said I 737 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: think it's Ashley's time to go. I really want to 738 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: think about the rest up until you said that, I 739 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 3: only said let Ashley go, and I said, I only 740 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 3: think Robin should stay on the show, only ever getting 741 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 3: every single thing. 742 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 4: Between her and Wan. 743 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 3: Wan must film, He must come to the reunion like 744 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 3: he must give us all day. 745 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 4: If he's not, Robie can go. 746 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 3: And the thing with Giselle, who I love, Giselle's gonna 747 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 3: have to change. Gazelle's going to have to take off 748 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 3: her producer hat and give us some ulnerable moments. Do 749 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 3: I think Gisel is in love? That went the house guy? 750 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 4: No? 751 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: When I saw that, I said, stop playing in my face, 752 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: Please stop playing with me. And what reality we talked 753 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: about this before when it was Heather and Gina hanging out, 754 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: And what reality does that matchup actually happen and actually work? 755 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: And what reality does Gisel Bryant, Giselle Kobe Bryant work 756 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: hang out with this man and be. 757 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: In a serious relationship and love him. 758 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: When Giselle told us a couple of seasons ago what 759 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: she likes, I think she said, a dark skinned man, 760 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: hung like a horse, lots of money. 761 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 2: That man is not chocolate. 762 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what his Genna Telia looks like, but 763 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: what I can tell you from the looks of it, 764 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he has the coin for Giselle. 765 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: And that's no shade to him. He's a young man, 766 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: though he's a you. 767 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: His money isn't long enough for what I think Giselle 768 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: is kind of requiring. Now, Giselle has just gotten to 769 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: the point in her life where she's like, look, I'm 770 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: trying to have some fun. I'm trying to wear my 771 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: whistle from time to time. Okay, that's believable to me, 772 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: but not as a serious contender, like stop playing me 773 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: with that. 774 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 4: No, that was the thing. 775 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 3: It was like, stop again. Gizelle likes a dark skinned man, 776 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 3: she said out her own mouth. And the other thing 777 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 3: Jasmine said, So that's why Potomac, to me, is in trouble, 778 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 3: because they're going to have to have truly a real 779 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: sit down about what they're willing to give. And based 780 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 3: upon that Jasmine is when I would say, as a producer, 781 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 3: you can stay, you. 782 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 4: Can go, you can go. 783 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: I think whose job are safe is Candace and Wendy 784 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 3: because I think Candice and Wendy are willing to give 785 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 3: everything to the show, and I feel like they want to, 786 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 3: but they're working with women who want to just have 787 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 3: one storyline of how can we embarrass you the most? 788 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: And people are over it. So you heard it here 789 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 3: from Jasmine and Carlos. In order to make Potomac great again, 790 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 3: Let's just say a lot of changes are going to have. 791 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: To be made in order to make Potomac great again. 792 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: You got to make Potomac real again. 793 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 4: And there you have it. 794 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jasmine Heley Brown. I know you private child, 795 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 3: but if you want to, honey, let the folks know 796 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 3: where they can find you and follow you and support you. 797 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: Listen, don't follow me, don't find me. 798 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: Go and subscribe to the podcast that I executive produced, 799 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: It's Giving Fashion with the shaik Cule. 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