1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm here with football guru and I don't even know 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: what that means. Most buddy of Colin Coward, this is 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: the Colin Coward podcast network. You're one of my first 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: guests on three and Out with John Middlecoff. I'm so 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: fired up to have great co sale. Do you remember 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: when you first started going on with Colin, Well, it 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: was when he was on his previous networks, what they 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: call the previous Yes, the previous network. It was a 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: long time ago, not that long but four years ago. Yeah, 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's about that and then ever since now you 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: just do radio interviews until the cows come up some 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I guess we'll start with free agency is not that 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: far away, so let's there is one quarterback there, so 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: the biggest free agent quarterback to be a true free agent, 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: at least we think right now, they could get franchise 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: and watching it's crazy like that. But how good do 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: you think Kirk Cousins is? Well? I like Kirk Cutsins. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: I think he's a class the case of a quarterback 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: that if he has pieces around him, if there's a 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: multi domain channel offense, if then he can be a 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: really efficient orchestrator and distributor. I think ultimately that's the 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of quarterback that he is so in Washington, when 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: they've had a good run game, when he's had weapons 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: on the perimeter, when Jordan Reid has been healthy for 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: that little wheel rouped Christ Thompson. Yeah, you know, I 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: think that he's a good player, but very good player, 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: very good player, but I think that in that scenario, 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: I think that Kirk Cousins is an efficient distributor of 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: a multidimensional offense. And I thought that Jay Gruden's offense 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: was which I really like. I think it's really well 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: designed and well schemed. I think it fits Kirk Cousins 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: really well. It kind of feels like there's some momentum 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: and buzz. You've had a front row seat with the Eagles, 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: so you've seen this coach John d Philippo now offensive 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: courtater with Minnesota. When you talk about a you know, 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: a distributor of the football. They got a couple of 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: guys there, Dalvin Cook's coming back, Latavius had a good season. Obviously, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: their defense is phenomena. They got quality receivers and Theland 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and Diggs. And if you're him, just big picture, you 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: take a little less money. I'm never one to say 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: anyone what money amount you should take, But that's a 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: pretty darn good situation. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see too, 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: because you do have a head coach and Mike Zimmer, 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: who obviously is a defensive coach. I would tend to 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: think that he does not believe they didn't get to 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: the super Bowl because of the quarterback play. And I 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: think case Keenum actually had a really really good season 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: this year. He's a free agent as well, um, so 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: i'd be I don't know if if Minnesota would break 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: the bank for for cousins. Now, obviously they have to 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: align someone up and right now they don't have anyone, 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: but I'd be very anxious to see. And and I 53 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: don't know the balance of power there between Rick Spielman 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: and Mike Zimmer, so I can't speak to that. But 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: my guess is that Mike Zimmer would not want to 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: break the bank for a quarterback given I believe they 57 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: have Anthony Barr coming up, they have Kendricks coming up, 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: they have Danielle Hunter coming up. If you can get 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: him on a team friendly deal relative to what quarterbacks making, right, 60 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna pay him a hundred million dollars, 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: which someone probably will and and and more powered occurred. 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what it's about. Yeah, I'm Barry 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: a guy, right, And there's a question that kind of 64 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: came up, especially towards the end of December. Actually, Jimmy 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: got huge money and it it was fantastic, and Derek's career 66 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of went the other way. And a classic question 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: that is consistent in the Bay Area was for the 68 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: next five eight years, who would Greg cost Derek. Yeah, 69 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: but that's you know, I know, you don't do well. 70 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: It's a hard question. It's a hard question because Garoppolo 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: has started what do you start five games or six games? 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: He started five seven career so he has seven career starts. 73 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: And I like Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay, I like him a lot. 74 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I like him coming out of college. I like his traits. 75 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: I think he has the benefit of being with one 76 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: of the best offensive coaches in Shanahan in the NFL. 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Guy coached him before. It wasn't bad either. No, that's 78 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: true too, right, Josh. And then Kyle. So you know, 79 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Derek Carr coming into this year, there were people who 80 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: thought Derek Carr was the next great quarterback in the NFL. 81 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand. I know you like. I like 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: him a lot too. It was exactly so, you know, 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it didn't work this year in Oakland 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: with it with the coordinator who obviously is not there anymore. 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: So that's a hard question. Derek carrsonn Derek just because 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: the body of yeah, I'm not even watching Derek. Let's 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: think about this, Greg. He's been playing now five years 88 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: at Fresidan State. That was four years in the NFL, 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: eight straight years. He got better freshman year in college, 90 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: all the way up until last year, and then everyone 91 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: in Oakland, I mean clearly got fired, people getting cut. 92 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a disastrous This was one of them. 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: This was one of those seasons. Now, you know. I'm 94 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: I've always been a very big believer in coaching, ever 95 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: since years and years ago I was had the amazing 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to spend time with Bill Walsh. So I've always 97 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: been a believer in coaching. You know, I think that 98 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: as you said, Garoppolo first to New England and now 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: with Kyle is the beneficiary. With you, you can't deny 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: his talent. No, he's a talented guy. I like Jimmy 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: g Um. Derek Carr, as you said, has improved every year. 102 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: He's now with Jon Gruden. We'll see how that plays out. 103 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: But he's a talented, talented guy, you know. I know 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: people like answers to those questions who would you rather have? 105 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: Who's the top five? This and the time. But you 106 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: know we're gonna get into that here. Yeah, you know, 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, I know I've been listening to a 108 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: long Yeah. Yeah, that's where I come in, right right. 109 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: So I still go Derek slightly. But I think, like 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: you said, there are some I mean, Growden coming back 111 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: after all these years. Kyle, you put him. I mean 112 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: you watch film different even the film, Kyle, he's as 113 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: good as there is. He's as good as there is. 114 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: He was he was I thought even when there were 115 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: one and nine, he was doing an excellent I agree 116 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: with you, by the way, I just like, wow, they've 117 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: got something here. Yeah. I mean his his run pass 118 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: because you can see with mcveiger's they were winning games. 119 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: But I was seeing the same thing. It's just one 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: team had way less to work with. But it was obvious. 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, his his run past fusion is as good 122 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: as there is in the league. I mean, it's so 123 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: hard to see the difference between their play action pass game. 124 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, the initial look of it, and and and 125 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: and a run play. You know, it's it's really really good. Okay, 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: let's let's get into the college crop. Okay, it's gonna 127 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: go in the order that I like him. I think 128 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: i'd probably I don't know your list. I'd have a 129 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: pretty good idea, I think, which I don't have a list, 130 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: I know, but the guys you'd like, let's start with 131 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: I think you just best player when you factor in 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: how important the position is. Quarterback. Josh Rosen. I think 133 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback of this crop, which I think 134 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: is a really talented crop and definitely interesting, slash fascinating, 135 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: slash polarizing. Whatever you want. Rosen is what do you 136 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: see when you watch Josh. He's very refined. I think 137 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: he has repetitive mechanics, which is a very good thing. 138 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: He's a timing, rhythm thrower. So the things we just 139 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: talked about normally translate well to the National Football League. UM. 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I think he's athletic enough, not a great pocket mover 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: that he can get out of the pocket because he's 142 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: certainly not unathletic based on his tennis background, but that 143 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't have great pocket movement. You know, he doesn't 144 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: navigate right right and a little four yard radios exactly 145 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: exactly now. Derrick and Jimmy have quick feet when the right, 146 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: so I don't think Rosen has slow feet. But pocket 147 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: movement is is an art as opposed to a function 148 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of athletic feat. But when you watch Josh Rosen drop back, 149 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: set up plan, deliver of football, uh with a sense 150 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: of timing, with a sense of anticipation. For the most part, 151 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: he's act. You're it. He looks like an NFL quarterback. 152 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: You know he was so when you see him, obviously 153 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: the positives, the arms ranked, the accuracy size, I mean, 154 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: he's see your prototypical what's a negative from a football 155 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: Obviously we talked about the personality, but negative that you 156 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: see besides, well, I thought there were times that he 157 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: missed some throws with with a lack of precise ball 158 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: placement that I think he needs to make and then 159 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: you'll need to make in the NFL. I mean that 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: A and M come back could have been a pick 161 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: right right right, And he made some throws in that 162 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: game that are sort of outlier plays for him, you know. 163 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: But you know, so I think that that's something across 164 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: your body. Yeah, he's not going to do that. Yeah, 165 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean I would say John that when you look 166 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: at someone like Josh Rosen, I think the kind of 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: quarterback he is as you project him and transition him 168 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: to the NFL is I think he's probably in the 169 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: sort of the Matt Ryan Jared Goff kind of quarterback, 170 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, an efficient player. Uh. I think he's got 171 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: a better arm than golf. Yeah, I would probably say 172 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: that that's fair. And Matt Ryan doesn't have a gun either, Um, 173 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: but I would say that, yeah, he's that kind of quarterback, 174 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: very refined, understands how to play quarterback, has the look 175 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: of a quarterback, you know, has a very good pocket 176 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: feel in the structure of the offense. So he just 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: he has the talent. I would say, for sure, Yeah, 178 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: let's move to the other guy across the street. But 179 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: it could take you an hour to get there, right right, right? 180 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: Sam Donald and Donald, Yeah, Donald's I've seen a ton 181 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: of Donald. I watched him last year, I watched him 182 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: this year. He's a big kid, He's a talented kid. 183 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: He's another one of those discussions now that we start 184 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: to have John about the balance between sort of second 185 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: reaction outside of structure plays and pocket efficiency. He is 186 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: pocket efficiency is erratic. This year in particular, his accuracy 187 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: was erratic, since there were times he had blind spots 188 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and and only he 189 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: could tell you. I don't know why, but it looked 190 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: like he didn't see defenders um like Rose, and his 191 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: team was not as talent, right. You know one thing 192 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: I've always tried. Yeah, And one thing I've always tried 193 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,119 Speaker 1: to do when I evaluate quarterbacks is isolate the quarterback 194 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: from the team. You're good at that, you look at 195 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: the player. Um. But I don't think there's any denying people. 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any denying some of his traits. 197 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's big, he throws the ball. Well, he 198 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have a gun, but he certainly can make all 199 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: the necessary throws. Um. I would describe him as at 200 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: this point in time, as more of a baller than 201 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: a technician. Very fair. Uh old. Yeah, And that's plays 202 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: into where he gets drafted and what you think he 203 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: can become. Um, there's a looseness and an undisciplined nature 204 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: to his game. At this time ten twenty years ago. 205 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: This guy is never coming out of school. No, he's 206 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: not a twenty years old. He's staying and he's working. 207 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: He's getting incrementally better, and he still Maybe the reason 208 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned the balance between those second reaction plays and 209 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: pocket efficiency is then it comes down to me to 210 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: coaching because I'm always a little leary and maybe this 211 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: is just my personal preference. Everybody brings something when they 212 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: when they evaluate players. You bring up a preference, and 213 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: I fully admit that. But when he gets drafted, does 214 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: the coach and the team basically say, hey, look, we 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: love the way you can make plays outside of structure. 216 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: You know, we love your ability to do that. We 217 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: we want we want that to be a major part 218 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: of your game. I struggle with that as a as 219 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: a coaching tool. I would rather really work with a 220 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: guy and have him be as efficient as is possible 221 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: with the subtleties and the nuances of the position, and 222 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: use the other part the second reaction. Struggle with counting 223 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: on that as that should be the parachute to me, 224 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: not not the plane, so to speak, John, As you 225 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: know that's a philosophy. Different people, reasonable smart people will 226 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: have different points of view about that. So I'm not 227 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: saying I'm right. That's just my personal point of view 228 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. And getting back to 229 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: the barrier. Two quarterbacks when they're on both of them 230 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: can light you up inside the pocket three and five, 231 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: And I still believe that that's to be a high level. 232 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: If you're gonna draft Sam Donald one, two, three, four, five, 233 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is you're betting on him becoming that, you're correct, correct, 234 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: because I mean, look at the Eagles when Nick came in. 235 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, now granted RPOs or whatever it was inside 236 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: the post for the most part him crushed. Correct. You 237 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: know that you have to win, Okay, So Sam, like 238 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: I said Rosen, I think he's the number one I like. 239 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: I like Rosen's tape better than I like Donald's tape. 240 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: Is he to you when you have to factors in 241 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: with him because he's twenty and the upside and everything, 242 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: is he still a top five player? To you? It's 243 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: obviously a much bigger production, I think because of the position. Yes, 244 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: because we know that quarterbacks will get taken and the 245 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: one thing he really has going for him just knowing 246 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: people at USC, you know, and I know you don't 247 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: always comment on this when you don't know, and you've 248 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: probably I mean, he's a high character. I've heard he's 249 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: a great kid. And I won't get to talk to him, 250 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: so I can't speak to that, but I've obviously heard 251 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: great things about him. Okay, let's go to the third guy, 252 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: that's probably the most polarizing of the bunch, who had 253 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: an unreal I mean, he's really had a fantastic three 254 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: year run at Oklahoma. How good was Baker? I really 255 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: liked him on tape. Yeah, And here's what I did, 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: just so people understand what I did. I've probably watched 257 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: six full games, and that's on coaching tape. I'm not 258 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: watching highlights watch two. I watched all of his third 259 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: down throws, and I watched all of his fifteen plus. 260 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: You guys got some good software in the NFL films, 261 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: you can, uh. Yeah, So that's what I did. Okay, 262 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: So I watched a lot of place, a lot of throws, 263 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of dropbacks, just of seventeen. Yeah, just although 264 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: I watched him last summer, I watched him yeah. Yeah. 265 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: First of all, I thought he improved a lot. And 266 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what really stood out to me when 267 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: I watched the fifteen plus plays is the large, large, 268 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: large majority for structured plays, timing, structured rhythm, throws in 269 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: the pocket. Now his feet are I think naturally a 270 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: little frenetic. Just I think that's that's the way he is. 271 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: But that may just be a personal thing with him. 272 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: But put the Donold same type deal, little fret in 273 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: the park. Donald much more of his plays were outside 274 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: of structure than than Mayfield's. Mayfield was a pocket quarterback 275 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: in his fifteen plus yard plays, and he's got a 276 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: very compact delivery, He's accurate, he's got a good arm. 277 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: I think people started to go the other way with 278 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: him because you know, a lot of people initially thought, oh, 279 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a good arm. So then a lot 280 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: of people said, don't know, he's got a big arm. 281 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a big arm, but he's got a 282 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: good arm. If he had to go rank Rosen one 283 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: than Donald Baker, who who would you say has a 284 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: better arm? See? I think because I think ultimately have 285 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: a great army, can throw it all right. I think 286 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Donald ultimately has a stronger arm than he shows because 287 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: I think his lower body mechanics are problematic, and I 288 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: think of his lower body mechanics were pristine, Donald would 289 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: have a pretty strong arm. And I know he's working 290 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: with my good friend Jordan Palmer, and Jordan will will 291 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: clean up as much as he possibly can clean up. 292 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: I think Donald has a better arm than the tape 293 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,479 Speaker 1: shows because his lower body mechanics at times are a mess. Yeah, 294 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: but Mayfield I liked on tape. I think you can 295 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: watch and see concepts in college that you see in 296 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's it's like Lamar Jackson. I know if 297 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: we'll discuss him or not, you know, but but Lamar 298 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Jackson in Bobby Petrino's offense, there are a ton of 299 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: NFL concepts, you know, the kinds of things I see 300 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: every week watching NFL tape. I see watching Louisville. Yeah, 301 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: so I think that that's a little overread. The one 302 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: thing about the NFL game, and you know this because 303 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: you watch it, there's a ton more quick game now 304 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Three step drop, five step drop. The 305 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: ball gets out to find reads, to find throws. What 306 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: if you see Baker Mayfield and let's use folds again 307 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: as example, and you go, well, I'm just gonna steal 308 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. He did really well in Oklahoma, 309 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: and we're gonna run that next year. On top of 310 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: some of the stuff I run, I'm gonna implement the 311 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: stuff coaches And it feels like with the amount of 312 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: offensive coach, especially the young ones that aren't as maybe 313 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: stubborn in an old score right years past, would be like, 314 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: we'll just run half of Baker's offense in Oklahoma, right, 315 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of stuff that he already runs. 316 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: He's already coming. Yeah, it already translate. Lincoln Riley was 317 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: was creative in more of a gimmicky way than the 318 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: NFL is, And you're probably not gonna do those things. 319 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: But I think the more basic stuff is basic stuff. 320 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: Do you have an NFL comp for Baker? It's hard 321 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: because there are probably not. I mean, I've seen from 322 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: people I know and respect they think he can be 323 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and I'm not gonna say he can or can't. 324 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: Um I always struggle with comparisons to Hall of Fame 325 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks like that, But do you want to hear mine. 326 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: I don't think he's Russell Wilson. I think that's not 327 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: the right comparison at all, who Russell was much more athletic. 328 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: He's got a strong Russell strong room. I saw two 329 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen version of case Keenum and I think that's 330 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: actually a pretty good comparison, and that that would be 331 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: assuming Baker becomes a pretty good player, right, because two 332 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen Case was good. I think that's that's a 333 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: pretty good comparison. In fact, Breeze and he's one of 334 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: the top ten quarterbacks of all time. In fact, before 335 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I'd even watch, I would joke around with my our 336 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: matchup crew. You know, the guys that we that we 337 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: worked together every day and you know, obviously we talked 338 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: about yeah, but you know the guys you know who 339 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: are actually you know in the in the office. You know, 340 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: these are guys who scouted, they've coached. You know, that's 341 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: our matchup team. I'd come in every game and joke 342 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: with them and say, Baker Mayfield is gonna be the 343 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: number one taking the draft. So I would joke with him. 344 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: But then I'd say, you know, case Keendom's is helping 345 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield because you're dealing with a guy that six 346 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: ft tall, give or take in keenam who a little 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: better on and people probably think not a gun by 348 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: any means, but a little better on. And people probably 349 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: think it was very good with second reaction plays, with 350 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: just little movements. I'm not talking about running around, you know. 351 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: And you know Baker Mayfield has a lot of that 352 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: in his game. I liked Baker Mayfield. I think he's 353 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: going to be I think he's got a chance to succeed. 354 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: And you know, it's so fascinating John and and you know, 355 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of in a story and 356 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: you are with the game, but ten fifteen years ago, 357 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield would be a seventh ron afterthought without I 358 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: don't even think he get drafted. Yeah, I don't think 359 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: you get drafted. And I think that's fun. When you 360 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: say ten years ago, great, I would say when I 361 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: I got in the League of two thousand, ten eight 362 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: years ago, now I would say ten eleven. You could 363 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: be right and I And to me, that's the fun 364 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: of the game, you know, and the fact that it 365 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: it's constantly evolving, and just when you think something, we 366 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: don't even be able to talk about this player like 367 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: we are, you know, And who's to say that four 368 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: or five years from now, you're not going to see 369 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: more teams running out of the straight eye. For me, 370 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: you never know how the game evolves over time. So 371 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: let's go to the next guy. We'll come to Lamar last. Yeah, 372 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: I think this guy would definitely have been talked about 373 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: in the history of football. You're talking Josh just the 374 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: talent and depend on who you can make the argument 375 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: you talk about going back in the history of football. 376 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: You can make the argument that Josh Allen is very 377 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: similar to John Elway when he came out of Stanford. 378 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you you probably don't remember 379 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: that far back that there you go. I'd already been 380 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: in NFL films four years before we get into this. Josh. 381 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan just because those type guys 382 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: that are inaccurate. Well, and it's funny you say that, 383 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: because John Elway in the first eight or nine years 384 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: of his career, and I'm sure people will look this up. 385 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: I certainly don't know the exact numbers, but the first 386 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: eight or nine years of his career, and granted, Elway 387 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: got to playoff games and got to a couple couple 388 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: of Super Bowls, but he had more interceptions than touchdowns 389 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, or they were relatively even and 390 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: he might have been passer, you know, and he no, 391 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm just Josh Allen is. I think there's a distinction 392 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: between arms strength and armed talent that needs to be 393 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: made here. Josh Allen has an incredibly strong arm, right, 394 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: But I view armed talent as the ability to make 395 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: all different kinds of throws, throws that require pace and touch. 396 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Drew Brees against Minnesota, right, no one would say Drew 397 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Brees has high level arm strength, but he is a 398 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: beautiful armed talent. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Josh Allen 399 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: is a great armed talent. Even though his arm strength 400 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: is super high level, he can't really make the pace 401 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: and touch throws. His accuracy is problematic. Like Philip Rivers, 402 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: and I love armed talent. Even last year Philip Rivers 403 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: was pretty pretty awesome. But but yet, there's going to 404 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: be plays with Josh Allen and the fact that he's 405 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: almost six five and almost two forty pounds and the 406 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: way he moves at that size, there's going to be 407 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: plays that are wow, plays that not many quarterbacks can make. 408 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Those kind of individual plays. He has a couple on 409 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: tape in sixteen, he had one where he rolled left. 410 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. To me, he's a 411 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: perfect example John of a guy that needs to be 412 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: coached hard and well, and coaching is critical. He's you 413 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: can't just roll the ball out and say, wow, you're 414 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: a talented guy. If he fails, whoa why? What would 415 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: be the pill failed? Because of his lack of accuracy 416 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: improvable attribute to you, I don't know. I mean, it's 417 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: an ongoing to say, I don't know. Most people don't remember. 418 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: One time I was interviewing talking to Warren Moon and 419 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: he was a guy that kind of consistently improved. Yes again, 420 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: but he always threw a beautiful ball. He's in the 421 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so he would consider him an outlier. 422 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: Most people just aren't born. If you're not pastor you know, 423 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: at twenty, it's rare that you're just gonna be one. 424 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: But you're not necessarily. Because he has the big playability, 425 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: he can do other things Carson really kind of was doing. 426 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: He was playing obviously at a high level, but he 427 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: had so many flash plays this year that he could 428 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: be making a poor throw, a poor throw and then boom, 429 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: hits you for fifty. But I thought this year when 430 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: he was dramatically with his accuracy from his rookie year 431 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: and regardless of what the completion percentage was, but I 432 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: thought that you know, catchable balls, yeah, because there you 433 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: can have a game where you go and I saw 434 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: it this year with Derek where you go eighteen thirty eight, 435 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: but you hit multiple guys in the hands. Guy tripped, crat, 436 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: had a lot of drops. There's so many that the 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: kind of actors I'm talking about with Josh Allen, he 438 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: missed what are very routine throw and when I say, 439 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm not and somewhere it wasn't by a long shot, 440 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: but they're critical where in other words, a guy might 441 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: be running a shallow cross l up throw and he 442 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: throws it on his back shoulder and the guy may 443 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: catch the ball, but then he falls down because he 444 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: has to contort his body just to catch the ball. 445 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't even think it's arguable he's got the best 446 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: chance to be Oh my god, this guy made Pro 447 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: Bowls and just doing these Sports Center highlights too. He's 448 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: out of the league in five years. You know, you 449 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: could be right, and I mean most players, but he 450 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: feels think of it this way. You worked. You worked 451 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL, so you've worked for a team. Yeah, 452 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to justify to the powers that 453 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: be Josh Allen than Baker Mayfield, because you can look 454 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: at Josh Allen. Hey, look at this kid. He's almost 455 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: six five, he's to forty, he's got a hose, he 456 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: can move, He's this, he's that. Hey, Jeffrey Leury, Jed York, 457 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: look at this guy. Look at this guy. And then 458 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: if he's just come in the room, and then if 459 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: he fails, and you're the scout who loved him, then 460 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: you can say to that you love him. Do they 461 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: didn't coach him? Right? This guy's got a ridiculous talent. 462 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: Just look at his you know, look at the measurables, 463 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: look at the talent. Whereas the Baker Mayfield, if he fails, 464 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he will, I like him. I 465 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna fail at all. But if he does, 466 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: you can say, you know, if you draft him really 467 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: high and he fails, it's much tougher to justify a 468 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: guy than oh, he's only a little over six feet, 469 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't look the part. He It's easier to justify 470 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen not making it. Let's let's go 471 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: with the last guy I know, Hall of Famer said 472 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: that he should play wide receiver. Uh yeah, Well, if 473 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: you if you read Bill's clarifying remarks, you understand where 474 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: he's coming from. I mean, Bill paulian Is, And you 475 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: know it was social media stuff because in social media 476 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: there's no substance because it has to be so short. 477 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: As millennials, we don't click on the links. We just 478 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: read the headline exactly. So when you watch Lamar Jackson 479 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: on tape, what do you saying? He's another guy liked 480 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: a good amount as well. And and I'm not saying 481 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: top ten, but I don't think. I don't think he's 482 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: a runner in this sense that he just drops back 483 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: and pulls the ball down. Now, obviously he can run, 484 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: and they designed runs for him because it's college football 485 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: and Bobby Petrino has to win football games, and he 486 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: is a dynamic runner. I think he's a more dynamic 487 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: runner than Michael vick Um. Now you have to be 488 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: careful with that at the NFL level because of his 489 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: body type. He's not short, but he's he's not Dorothy 490 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, and when they talk about size, that's what 491 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: they mean eight right right about like way size, lower 492 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: body size. I'd love to have his way size. But 493 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: but I think his UM. I think that when he 494 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: drops back, he looks to throw the football. As I said, 495 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: there were a lot of pro pass game concepts, route combinations, 496 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: both to the boundary to receive route concepts to the 497 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: boundary three receiver route concepts to thee old. You know, 498 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: he's been schooled in this. Um. You know, I think 499 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: that he needs a little work with his mechanics for 500 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: his lower body. I think he tends to have his 501 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: feet a little too close together, too tight when he 502 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: throws the football. UM, I saw a guy missed them 503 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: lay up throws like you were talking about Josh Allen. 504 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: He makes him the highlights. Yeah yeah, basic wheel route. Yeah. 505 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean so that's raises the questions to whether can 506 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: that be fixed? Um. You know, I've been led to 507 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: believe by people who are real high level quarterback people, 508 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: and I believe it to be true. You can clean 509 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: up a guy's lower body. I don't think you can 510 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: change the way a guy throws a ball, but I 511 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: think you can clean up waist down I'm an agreement, 512 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: so I I think Lamar Jackson. You know, the issue 513 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: for him playing off with Bill Polian said, is if 514 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: you draft him because he's so dynamic, is if you 515 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: start feeling like you want to just get him on 516 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: the field, then you'll hinder his quarterback development. You know, 517 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: two guys Vic the year before I go to Philly, 518 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Andy had some plays for him and if people probably 519 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: forget now Kaepernick's first year, they had some package, right, 520 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: you can do something like that. I had an exact 521 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: tell me he thinks he's the wild card in the draft. 522 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Because if they're big picture thinking organizations, plans like that 523 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: and maybe a quarterback they're gonna have for the next 524 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: year or two, Well, we can slowly implemented. Me ask 525 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: you this. Let's look at what Bill O'Brien did with 526 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and Houston for those five games or six 527 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: games before Deshaun got hurt. That was pretty special. It 528 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: was he put him in the gun. He ran a 529 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of but is viewed as college stuff what he's 530 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: comfortable with. Why can't you do that with Lamar Jackson. 531 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: It's been proven over and over like the thing Kaepernick 532 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: couldn't transition to was all the plays that the coaches 533 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: want to run. He ran his place really well. And 534 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: if and that's the question, like can DeShawn ever and 535 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: I had argue you might not, even like you said, 536 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: back to the whole premise of the spread offense. The 537 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: game is completely changed. Like you see it on the 538 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: other side of the ball. People are gonna make a 539 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: big deal of Roquan Smith. That's five tan. I don't 540 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: really care as much anymore. You know, if he can 541 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: go sidelines right. Well. The issue Kaepernick had because a 542 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of people could say, why, you know, why can't 543 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: he do? Let's say what DeShawn did because, as you know, 544 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: because I do San Francisco Radio, is Kaepernick would not 545 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 1: throw the ball to the defined open read for some reason. 546 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: A lot of times that didn't register well. And there's 547 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: a level and same with Vic was like this, he 548 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: just struggled at processing the other side right, the coverages 549 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: where the blizz was coming right, and then things would 550 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: happen so fast. He just s But I think the 551 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: nature of there's an innate quality that DeShawn has to 552 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: just play the position right. And you see it definitely 553 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: in like the Baker may and it's hard to know 554 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: if Lamar has that, but I think one of these definite. 555 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: I think one of the things when you do the 556 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: spread stuff and the shotgun stuff is there's so many 557 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: elements of misdirection of deception in those offenses that the 558 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: reads are very defined. Now, obviously when it's third and 559 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: nine it's different, but I'm talking about when you're on 560 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: schedule with your offense, when you're a normal down in 561 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: distant situations. So I think to myself and I think 562 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson was clearly more advanced then Lamar is 563 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: right now. But I just think, overall, why can't Lamar 564 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: Jackson run that kind of offense. I think there's a 565 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: good chance when when Day one of the draft is over, 566 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: that we've seen five quarterbacks come off the board. I 567 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised at all because the first three we 568 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: talked about Rose and Donald that they're going high. Mayfield 569 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: is gonna go high to go high to guys like Josh. 570 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: The only way Baker Mayfield doesn't go high is if 571 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: he goes through this combine and people think he's a 572 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: total idiot. I'm with you and as we and I 573 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: don't think that will happen. No, I don't either, Josh 574 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Allen's just do not fall that far. No, No, he 575 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: may not be top five, but that kind of talent 576 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: is not falling out of the first round. And then, 577 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: like we've talked about, Lamar is just this ultimate curveball. 578 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: Teams can project easier now than probably ever that if 579 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: you said that he ended up going fourteen, right team, 580 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shot. So you couldn't make the argument 581 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson, with his overall skill set, is a 582 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: game changer, and it's hard to use. It's hard to 583 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: pass up game changers. I think he's gonna end up 584 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: going higher than people think. It's kind of turned the 585 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: other way on him. Tend to agree. And I'm not 586 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: the biggest Lamar Jackson fans just but you know, I 587 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough earlier today and they're good friends of 588 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: mine to have a great conversation with Bill Paul, you know, 589 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick, and you know Lewis obviously, you know, and 590 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: we were talking just about that, you know, we're talking 591 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: about in the context of running backs, actually about this 592 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: this philosophy that's sprouted up over the last number of 593 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: years that you don't take running backs early. You know, 594 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: just because of the position, regardless of the player, that 595 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: you just don't take a running back early. And I'm 596 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: not gonna take credit for this, but Bill said, and 597 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: I are once he said, he said, that's so silly. 598 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: He said, if a guy is a game changing player, 599 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: you take him. He said, Ezekiel is a game changing 600 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: kind of player. He said, you take him. I'm with you. Now. 601 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: If a guy's not, I'm not. You know, Kerry and Johnson, 602 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Okay from Marburne, whether you like him or don't like him, 603 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: he's not a game change You're not gonna draft him. 604 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: And they say Kwan Barkley is likely to have game 605 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: changing ability, So what are you gonna do? Not take 606 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: him because you have this abstract view that, oh, I'm 607 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: not going to take a quarter running back. That makes 608 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: no sense. You're a smart man, Greg. I live with 609 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot of women, so I don't hear that very often. 610 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for coming on the Three and Out podcast. 611 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, appreciate it. 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