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Speaker 1: everybody knew he scrugs here with a special show today.
Speaker 1: For those of you looking for Danny McCrae and Barry
Speaker 1: Church Well, they were on other shows today. This means
Speaker 1: I get to have some fun with two of my friends,
Speaker 1: former Cowboy Everson Walls and in my fourth favorite tar
Speaker 1: heel of all time in Carolina basketball history, Jesse Holly.
Speaker 1: As long as I'm in the top five, it's all
Speaker 1: I Caraboba, I'm a new top five. You're in the
Speaker 1: top five. I got Jordan's number one. You know, dog
Speaker 1: team makes I five there, so he's number one. James Worthy,
Speaker 1: James Worthy's number two, a kid from my high school,
Speaker 1: west Over High School with Famille, North Carolina. He's about
Speaker 1: to sign. He's already committed to the guitar heels, so
Speaker 1: he could be number three. You number four because you
Speaker 1: also helped bring a national You helped bring a national championship.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, come on, you lissen me behind the guy
Speaker 1: that hadn't even played yet he's he's just a recruit.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand it. But my time, like Carolina
Speaker 1: was a great time. I went as a two sport athlete.
Speaker 1: I won a national championship. So I'll be number four
Speaker 1: or this listen, I'll be number one and everyone else
Speaker 1: is hard. So I'll take that. I'll take that. Now,
Speaker 1: this kid's a bus, and this kid's a bus from
Speaker 1: your high school. You gotta move up. I move up,
Speaker 1: I move up. You know, this is one of those
Speaker 1: things where where finally, finally, you know, here I am.
Speaker 1: I'll turn fifty in December. You know, I started going
Speaker 1: to west Over High School nineteen before. It took this
Speaker 1: long for us to get for somebody to be good
Speaker 1: enough to play Caroline of basketball. So this is a
Speaker 1: huge deal in my world for me and Everson. I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you this question here. Were you
Speaker 1: a part of that group that went into the ends
Speaker 1: on the Texas Stadium and broke up that fun bunch
Speaker 1: when they tried to do that little little thing and
Speaker 1: Smurst tried to do that little thing here in the
Speaker 1: ends on it, you guys broke it up. No, I
Speaker 1: can't not lie. I was not a part of that,
Speaker 1: and one of one of them, my teammates, Ron Fellows,
Speaker 1: he was a little a little upset at me because
Speaker 1: I wasn't there and what I was letting him not.
Speaker 1: I was, well, I was covering my man, so we
Speaker 1: was somewhere else. So my man, he was, he had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the play. You were the one
Speaker 1: that got scored on. So don't get upset with me
Speaker 1: because you can't hold it down on your side. So
Speaker 1: I can't just come run into the end zone. It's
Speaker 1: already over with by now. If you don't want them
Speaker 1: to score, if you don't want them to celebrate, then
Speaker 1: don't let them score. That's what I had to tell
Speaker 1: Ron Fellows. So no long answer. No. So so to
Speaker 1: explain to some of our younger viewers out there, back
Speaker 1: when Washington had won Super Bowl seventeen. The next year
Speaker 1: they came back. They were the highest scoring offense in
Speaker 1: NFL history, and they had a game every of course
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys and the old Texas Stadium, and whenever
Speaker 1: they would score, the receivers groups they called the Smurs,
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown and some of these and other guys, they
Speaker 1: would go in the endel and they would raise their
Speaker 1: hands like that, they jump up in the hand and
Speaker 1: a jump up in the air to a high five.
Speaker 1: And that was when I believe Dennis Thurman, I think
Speaker 1: thurma was wanted them to win over there, but they
Speaker 1: were like, nah, you guys aren't doing that. Here, guys
Speaker 1: not doing it. And it was it was pretty good theater.
Speaker 1: And I always wondered was ever since in that And
Speaker 1: now I got my answer that it was. It was
Speaker 1: Dennis Thurmant. It was Dennis Thurman, Michael Downs and round
Speaker 1: Fellows was there. They were called a fun Bunch, you know,
Speaker 1: they had a few names. That was a smurf. They
Speaker 1: were the smurfs on the fun Bunch that year because
Speaker 1: they thought that was fun. They do a little rock
Speaker 1: and then they all go up and do a high
Speaker 1: five like they were in some nineteen seventies uh cock Buddy,
Speaker 1: Cock Buddy movie or some crap like that, and uh
Speaker 1: so so it was it was Charlie Brown, amazing. I
Speaker 1: think the guy's name was. I think it was Virgil
Speaker 1: say you might remember these guys, Jesse that some of
Speaker 1: the names of the Whiteouts. Of course Sanders, who was
Speaker 1: Doug William's favorite target, and that great Super Bowl wins.
Speaker 1: So and Mark was also by the way, So yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was a good group and they
Speaker 1: blew us out. They blew us out that game, so
Speaker 1: they can party all they want. This is up to
Speaker 1: us to stop the celebration. Okay, all right, so let's diet.
Speaker 1: Oh what are you gonna say? Jesse? Ups are? No,
Speaker 1: I was good good. He don't know nothing about this
Speaker 1: old school stuff. Man. I'm I'm sitting up here with
Speaker 1: you young guys. Man, I'm used to being with the
Speaker 1: old dudes. We start off slow. You know, we have
Speaker 1: a little tea on the side or something. You know,
Speaker 1: you got your boy, Jesse. Jesse's probably guys energy drinke
Speaker 1: right there. He's ready to go. So let's go. Maybe
Speaker 1: let's go. Don't let me stop you guys from getting
Speaker 1: fired up. Let's go, man, let's go. I'm ready, old
Speaker 1: man can keep up. Let's go. So how about the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers coming to town, went in the game and
Speaker 1: apparently bringing a whole bunch of COVID with four more
Speaker 1: players have COVID, including quarterback Ben roethlisbergerg It it all
Speaker 1: started with tight Advance McDonald. So you know the Cowboys
Speaker 1: so far don't have anyone that's contacted COVID. But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were gonna have a practice this week that's been canceled,
Speaker 1: so they're just kind of virtual meetings on their bye week.
Speaker 1: Because playing the Steelers with all this COVID happening there
Speaker 1: so a perfect truly a perfect time for the bye
Speaker 1: week for the Cowboys. Ever, sing what did you make
Speaker 1: of this story? Well, my thing is, how in the
Speaker 1: hell did he even get on the field. I'm still
Speaker 1: kind of confused KNWI about the protocol. If he was
Speaker 1: tested Saturday, if he was tested Friday, maybe he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have traveled on Saturday. You know, these are the things
Speaker 1: that I'm not really privy too because every team seems
Speaker 1: to have a different protocol. So to me, how when
Speaker 1: did you find out? As the question, and if you
Speaker 1: did find out soon, why did he make the trip?
Speaker 1: And then of course you're look at consequences. They said
Speaker 1: that he only caught one pass for two yards and
Speaker 1: he was tackled by I believe it was Wilson if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, and so you know, that's just one
Speaker 1: guy came in contact with him on the pass. But
Speaker 1: what about blocking plays. I mean, what about the people
Speaker 1: that he affected infected on the Cowboys. These are the
Speaker 1: kind of things that you don't want to play with. Knwi,
Speaker 1: you don't want to play with this stuff. And that's
Speaker 1: going back to the Dodgers, And I know you're probably
Speaker 1: a Dodgers fan. When the when the player came out
Speaker 1: and he knew he was making a mistake, but he
Speaker 1: got caught up. You know, these are the kind of
Speaker 1: things that if you're gonna stick to protocol, stick to protocol,
Speaker 1: otherwise you are putting people's lives in danger because of
Speaker 1: celebrations and really because of your own ego. Man, I
Speaker 1: think it's really sad and scary. I consistently said that
Speaker 1: everyone just makes this thing up as they go along.
Speaker 1: I was watching the Clipson Notre Damn game this weekend.
Speaker 1: I see Trevor Lawrence on the sideline. But what's he
Speaker 1: doing here? This guy had COVID. You know, if he's
Speaker 1: not playing because he's got COVID, why is he on
Speaker 1: the sideline? So I just feel like so many people
Speaker 1: are making this thing up as they go along. Here
Speaker 1: and Jesse, here are the names Ben Roethlisberger, offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: Gerald Hawkins, running back Jaylen Samuel's linebacker Vince Williams there
Speaker 1: in quarantine now and of course, um the first person
Speaker 1: that was tested was Vance McDonald got in the reserve
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Lest your thoughts on this, Jessie, my thoughts
Speaker 1: about anything as far as the NFL and anything health
Speaker 1: related is always always a joke because the NFL and
Speaker 1: its teams and its owners, their bottom their bottom line
Speaker 1: is always about the dollar. It's always about the dollar,
Speaker 1: and they're going to do every single thing that they
Speaker 1: can to make sure because they already lost money with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we have to deal with,
Speaker 1: no fans and things of that nature. So they're never
Speaker 1: going to do anything and what they have to cancel
Speaker 1: game unless someone seriously gets sick and you know, and
Speaker 1: I private it never happens, or someone is just hospitalized
Speaker 1: because of it or even passed away from it. When
Speaker 1: it comes to that Sunday profit, nothing is above what
Speaker 1: they have to do. And that's the overall NFL. We
Speaker 1: saw this with the whole concussion thing, right, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to tell you that, well, this league, it didn't
Speaker 1: get caused because of the impact of the head when
Speaker 1: there was doctors upon doctors and science and information that
Speaker 1: was saying, hey, guys, listen, these concussions are because of
Speaker 1: the head content that they were getting while they were
Speaker 1: playing football. And the same time, this right, thank god
Speaker 1: for the movie, But I'm also hearing that that this
Speaker 1: Vince McDonald's he was he was, he said he was
Speaker 1: sick on Friday, And in the COVID world that we
Speaker 1: live in today, anything of that nature, okay, should have
Speaker 1: been looked at and flagged immediately. Oh you're sick. How
Speaker 1: about you not travel? You know, you had one catch
Speaker 1: So was it like you were an integral part in
Speaker 1: our what we were doing, our scheme, So how about
Speaker 1: you don't travel? You know, maybe you should or maybe
Speaker 1: take a separate plane, or hey, maybe you come in
Speaker 1: maybe the morning of the game or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: There should have been extra We're talking about a billion
Speaker 1: dollars industry, right, you can charter a plane and get
Speaker 1: him to Pittsburgh to Dallas if that was the case.
Speaker 1: But no, you you you threw calls them to the wind.
Speaker 1: You put this player on the plane. You not only
Speaker 1: caused your own players to get it, you also potentially
Speaker 1: there's flight attendants there's TSA workers that check your bags
Speaker 1: when you're before you get on your charter to flight. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's restaurant. I mean, there's there's hotel people that you
Speaker 1: may have been in contact with, whether that be at
Speaker 1: the omelet station in the morning when you're getting your
Speaker 1: omelet or the buffet line right when you get right
Speaker 1: right right, Allison, when you get your buffalot. You know,
Speaker 1: and there's so many people that you've now calls and
Speaker 1: no telling what happened when the Cowboys side of things. Now,
Speaker 1: our great producer Chris Beam said, you know, even though
Speaker 1: he had only one catch, you know, don't worry about
Speaker 1: our dvs catching you know, catching it because they don't
Speaker 1: catch anything at all, So they don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about they don't have to worry about catching COVID. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, No you didn't, Chris Hey. But not only that, Jesse,
Speaker 1: as you as you talk about those extremely important uh
Speaker 1: sack consequences, let's think about just on a lower level. Now,
Speaker 1: it seems like, and you know, we will see how
Speaker 1: it goes because the protocol is so screwed up right now.
Speaker 1: But it seems like now their undefeated season is threatened
Speaker 1: a bit because you've got players that have to sit
Speaker 1: out maybe and I don't know about Roethlisberger. They said
Speaker 1: he's not positive. They say he's tested negative like maybe
Speaker 1: multiple times since then, so they're trying to get him
Speaker 1: back on the field in five days. Does that mean
Speaker 1: I knew what you should know about this year? The
Speaker 1: news guy that does that mean he will be eligible
Speaker 1: to play next week? Does that five day quarantine? How
Speaker 1: does that affect his playing time for next week? And
Speaker 1: talk about big big Benny Roethlisberger. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: great question here because I've seen it very and I've
Speaker 1: seen some guys who had to sit out, and I've
Speaker 1: seen some like Emmanuel Sanders, And this is one of
Speaker 1: those things where I know from my own fantasy football
Speaker 1: thing where I had him my team and dude didn't play, Like,
Speaker 1: well he's got to sit out? What's star players? What's
Speaker 1: star players? This is this is a good question. I
Speaker 1: mean Cam Newton had to sit out. You know, we
Speaker 1: saw Cam had to sit so so that that I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a great question. Is what happened and Dalton
Speaker 1: had to sit out? When was you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like the same situation and he couldn't play. We needed
Speaker 1: him in that game as far as we were concerned.
Speaker 1: He was a star for us Jesson. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We needed Dalton and we ended up going
Speaker 1: with the news, which you know that could have made
Speaker 1: a difference. So okay, here you're going to ask sounds
Speaker 1: like new he is as well? Okay, protocol, all right,
Speaker 1: So here it is. So Roethlisberger did not test positive,
Speaker 1: and um, he will now have to self isolate and
Speaker 1: test negative for five days before he's able to rejoin
Speaker 1: the Steelers. So he could be activated from the list
Speaker 1: as early as Saturday and then can play in Sunday's
Speaker 1: game against the Bengals. And oh, by the way, he
Speaker 1: hurt both of his knees against the Steelers, so so
Speaker 1: there you go. So that's it. So he needs a
Speaker 1: test negative every day for the next five days and
Speaker 1: then uh then he could play. So he hurt his
Speaker 1: heart his knees against the Cowboys and so they get
Speaker 1: ready to face the Cincinnati Bengals. So there you go.
Speaker 1: There you go. Ever, since we'll see exactly what happens. Then,
Speaker 1: m it is at you didn't get that kind of reprieve.
Speaker 1: I wish he would have gotten that kind of consideration.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the difference was between that and ours.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, here's the difference that big Ben. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to figure that out, because boy, we needed
Speaker 1: and Andy that that particular week. We maybe we could
Speaker 1: have pulled it out. You never know. Andy tested positive
Speaker 1: for COPD. That's the difference. Ben did not. That's okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. So so he was he was, you
Speaker 1: know that when it called the contact tracing, he was,
Speaker 1: you know, with McDonald and near McDonald. So so there
Speaker 1: he put him in isolation. So now he's just got
Speaker 1: a test negative for five days and then he could
Speaker 1: play he had he didn't not test positive for coronavirus.
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Speaker 1: Walls and Jesse Holly. I'm Newy Scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter here.
Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, Rookie cornerback treybod Diggs broke a bone
Speaker 1: in his foot and expected he'll miss the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Everson. You're a former former defensive back. Here
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Diggs being gone and then how do
Speaker 1: they make up for the rookies absence? In your opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a shame. We've been looking
Speaker 1: at Digs and talking about the potential that he has.
Speaker 1: When you think about it, he's only really had i'd say,
Speaker 1: just a couple of what maybe one good game if
Speaker 1: you want to call that good, But that's what you
Speaker 1: expect from a rookie. It's gonna be from growing pains
Speaker 1: with him. Just when you saw him making strides. He
Speaker 1: got two interceptions in one game that was amazing that
Speaker 1: you could finally see his ability to play the ball.
Speaker 1: When you get those interceptions, you know it brings you confidence.
Speaker 1: Just like if Jesse is a wide receiver, no matter
Speaker 1: what goes on in the game, if you as soon
Speaker 1: as you catch that one pass, your confidence is there.
Speaker 1: Then the realization is solid right now. So once he
Speaker 1: saw that he can make those plays, then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're like, man, this is the potential we've
Speaker 1: been waiting on. We're hoping that this guy could step
Speaker 1: up and make some more plays for us. And of
Speaker 1: course here comes the injury. I really feel bad for
Speaker 1: the young man because I wanted to see his progress
Speaker 1: continue to get better what I saw what I see now.
Speaker 1: He may be out for the season, with him being
Speaker 1: a young man, if he wants to, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'd be itching to come back, he may be able
Speaker 1: to come back, whether maybe a game or two left
Speaker 1: in the season. You know, it's hard to keep a
Speaker 1: young man like that out, especially when he's able bodied.
Speaker 1: But I just want him to mentally be prepared for
Speaker 1: what's gonna be for him in the future. Sometimes if
Speaker 1: you get to step away from the game, whether it's
Speaker 1: to injury or whatever, he can take a look at
Speaker 1: what's been going on with himself and say, okay, he
Speaker 1: can hone in on it, you know, mentally, physically and
Speaker 1: realize what he's been making his mistakes, because as a
Speaker 1: rookie you expect things to develop slowly and so comparatively,
Speaker 1: as his rookie year goes on, he's been developing ahead
Speaker 1: of a rookie. He's pace now. It depends on what
Speaker 1: standards you want to put that rookie pace on. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about nineteen eighty one. I can go
Speaker 1: back to me and my boys, Ronnie lock Kenny easily, myself,
Speaker 1: Michael Downs. We didn't have time for growing pains. We
Speaker 1: stepped in, we played our butts off, and we came through.
Speaker 1: That's why you have a moniker. If you don't have
Speaker 1: a moniker, then obviously you didn't do anything while you
Speaker 1: were in the league. We were Thurm and Steves because
Speaker 1: we would we would. We were thieves. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it was. So the standard back then, I think
Speaker 1: was a little bit higher. You had free agents coming
Speaker 1: in balling their butts off, getting criticized. And now we
Speaker 1: have a high ground pick who I still love to
Speaker 1: see play, and the more he gets beat, the more
Speaker 1: potential they say he has. So I'm kind of confused,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with it as long as it's
Speaker 1: gonna make him better. No, I was. My answer was
Speaker 1: going to be right along the lines. How you kind
Speaker 1: of ended George was when you're talking about being a rookie,
Speaker 1: right second round pick, and he played some high level
Speaker 1: football Alabama in the SEC. But when you come into
Speaker 1: this league there's so much being thrown at you, whether
Speaker 1: it's learning to play a book formations. You got all
Speaker 1: pro receivers coming at you every single week, all pro quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: The information upon information is being just piled on top
Speaker 1: of you, and so you're trying to learn, I gotta
Speaker 1: get ready for a game. Oh my god, I gotta
Speaker 1: play Julio Jones this week. I remember watching this guy
Speaker 1: on YouTube my whole life. I'm a rookie, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to put all this stuff together. And
Speaker 1: what happens is you begin to drown in some of
Speaker 1: these things, right, and then you don't have Like the
Speaker 1: thing for Diggs is he didn't have one of those
Speaker 1: vets when you can look to your right, look to
Speaker 1: your left, and there's a guy who's been in the
Speaker 1: league for ten years who had something that's to say, hey,
Speaker 1: rook hold on, relax, chill, look at this and give
Speaker 1: you those little titbits to give you, to give you
Speaker 1: those little tidbits that you can put away and add
Speaker 1: to your game and say, oh, this is what he
Speaker 1: was talking about, to sit you down and show you
Speaker 1: how to properly watch film and say, hey, I played
Speaker 1: this quarterback, I played this offensive coordinator, I played this
Speaker 1: team for X amount of years. Here's what they like
Speaker 1: to do in plus forty minus forty and this formation. Hey,
Speaker 1: when they get it right here, look for these type
Speaker 1: of combinations. He was doing a lot of learning on
Speaker 1: the fly. He had no one to really look to
Speaker 1: to give him any veteran information to say, hey, what
Speaker 1: do we do right here? And so he would do
Speaker 1: a lot of it on the fly. And I'm with
Speaker 1: you ever since I would sometimes being based, I was saying,
Speaker 1: he got beat three times in the row? Where's it?
Speaker 1: Everybody said, well, he just keeps fighting. I said, fighting
Speaker 1: win your games, right and so, but being able to
Speaker 1: step away from the game, take a deep breath, go
Speaker 1: back and watch your early film, Watch how you progress,
Speaker 1: watch how the season continues to go on, and see,
Speaker 1: you know what, the second time around you played the
Speaker 1: Washington the football team for Washington, or the second time
Speaker 1: around you play the Giants, or the second time around
Speaker 1: you play Philadelphia. Now you can start seeing like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what they were talking about. I was. I was
Speaker 1: so caught up in that preparation for the week. I
Speaker 1: didn't catch all the little idio secrecies in the game
Speaker 1: that I can now see from a distance down that
Speaker 1: I'm rehabbing. If I were him, or if I was
Speaker 1: anyone in the Cowboys organization, he's done for the year
Speaker 1: to me peal up because we don't have any more
Speaker 1: to fight for this year. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: we're saying, well, the division is still up in the air.
Speaker 1: This is not a good football team. This team isn't
Speaker 1: going to go far into the situation into into the
Speaker 1: so to rush a guy back, and we all know
Speaker 1: when those when it comes to receivers. I mean in DBS,
Speaker 1: your feet is what pays you want to be if
Speaker 1: your feet are not good, and whether that's me going
Speaker 1: forward as right, and so I want that thing to
Speaker 1: fully heal so that we don't have any setbacks. And
Speaker 1: in the offician, because I'm training that we get a
Speaker 1: regular offseason, and I need all my guys. If this
Speaker 1: is going to be a guy that you look at
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one and beyond, then I need him
Speaker 1: one hundred percent healthy heading into this so that we
Speaker 1: can evaluate all these guys, put guys on the field
Speaker 1: during OTAs in mini camps so that I can now
Speaker 1: really start implementing things. Then having him have a setback
Speaker 1: in late December in a meaningless game that we're not
Speaker 1: even gonna win, to go to the playoffs or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Now, if you told me you were seventy one,
Speaker 1: ain't no or whatever and we had a realistic chance.
Speaker 1: All let's how to get some of these guys back healthy.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the year, you're not playing
Speaker 1: for anything. I'm not rushing this guy back. Get one
Speaker 1: hundred percent healthy, take your time getting healthy, and I
Speaker 1: want everybody rebbed up and ready to go for the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one off season. To a few things, let
Speaker 1: me let me say something. First of all, you are
Speaker 1: so right, Jesse. I had Charlie Waters just always in
Speaker 1: my ear, giving me confidence, giving me nicknames, just you know,
Speaker 1: crazing me. And I'm like, man, this dude is really
Speaker 1: on my job and I needed that, you know, at
Speaker 1: that time, because like you said, things are coming at you.
Speaker 1: Dennis Thurman, you know he was. He was my mentor.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that kept us together, you know,
Speaker 1: tell us what to expect and how to feel about
Speaker 1: certain things, because even as a rookie, you don't know
Speaker 1: how to feel about certain things. And you're right though,
Speaker 1: in regards to everything coming at him. That's the last
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say in regards to Digs is that
Speaker 1: when you start thinking and start getting intimidated, your brain moves,
Speaker 1: but your feet stop moving, you know, when you start
Speaker 1: thinking too much, when you have fear, when you have doubts.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with a lot of defensive backs. When
Speaker 1: that ball is in the air, we always say turn around,
Speaker 1: turn around. Well, they're too busy thinking about the consequences
Speaker 1: as opposing to having the heart to just turn around
Speaker 1: and taking a chance of not being afraid to get
Speaker 1: beat at that time. So you're right, the confusion, the fear,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, the doubt, it can
Speaker 1: it can affect your play, and hopefully as he steps
Speaker 1: back from this, as we just said, he can come
Speaker 1: back a better player. This is why I love having
Speaker 1: you guys here, former players, giving our viewers and listeners
Speaker 1: and insight into really what goes on the field. That's
Speaker 1: something I didn't know right there that you and Jesse
Speaker 1: just brought up and said, Hey, having somebody who's been
Speaker 1: there who can tell you basically, I'm not crazy, I'm
Speaker 1: not as bad as I think I am. And look
Speaker 1: out for this and look out for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's stuff. That stuff matters. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing like they got toasted too, so they know where
Speaker 1: you are. They know mentally where you are. We've all
Speaker 1: been toasted. There are no virgins in the NFL, my brother,
Speaker 1: all right. Speaking of the future, Garrett Gilbert, a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboy fans feel like has a future's a potential
Speaker 1: backup with this team after his performantive performance against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: But Cowboys owner Hall of Famer Jerry Jones said today
Speaker 1: on his radio show on wonder Fire three the Fan
Speaker 1: that Andy Dalton is the starting quarterback when they get
Speaker 1: back to action. So they got the bye week this week,
Speaker 1: and then they go to Minnesota next to face the
Speaker 1: Vikings up there. Jesse, your thoughts on Andy Dalton becoming
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback with Gilbert being his backup? Now, let
Speaker 1: me say this first. I know that we work in
Speaker 1: the media, and we love the sound bites and we
Speaker 1: love the ability to write stories on certain things. But
Speaker 1: this is one of those moments where I just wish,
Speaker 1: you know, we're the only team in the league where
Speaker 1: our owner and our owner's son have radio hits every
Speaker 1: single week, two or three times a week. Because to me,
Speaker 1: I think Jerry misspoke. I do. I truly think he
Speaker 1: and I get it. He's the owner, can do what
Speaker 1: he wants, say what he wants. I get it. But
Speaker 1: I truly think he misspoke. There's no reason you have
Speaker 1: to come out and say that today, on a Monday
Speaker 1: or Tuesday. There's no reason. And I think sometimes just
Speaker 1: because you have a mic does not mean you have
Speaker 1: to say something into it. And I think Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: has earned hisself the opportunity to at least and let
Speaker 1: me compete again. Let me compete this week, you know,
Speaker 1: and when we head to next week for an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go out there and play again. He is a
Speaker 1: look the best that we've seen since Dak Prescott has
Speaker 1: went down at the quarterback position. Now. I know that
Speaker 1: we may not hear that name much. We hear Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton name more because of it's time in Cincinnati. But
Speaker 1: but Garrett isn't a rookie. He's been around the league
Speaker 1: and around football for a very long time. And you
Speaker 1: saw the confidence in command that he had in the
Speaker 1: game this past Sunday. I didn't like that. I just thought, man,
Speaker 1: I'm like god lye and I know that you're paying
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, you know, three million dollars and money matters,
Speaker 1: and money counts. But if you're trying to put a
Speaker 1: product on the field at this point in time of
Speaker 1: the season, because no one believes you're going to truly
Speaker 1: and honestly compete for a championship if you're he does
Speaker 1: a realistic but Jesse, he believes that they can win
Speaker 1: the nfcast and as long as they have that opportunity,
Speaker 1: he believes Andy Dalton gives them the best opportunity to
Speaker 1: do it. So I always said, when I used to
Speaker 1: do that Jerry Jones radio show, I'm one to five
Speaker 1: three the fan. You gotta get inside his head, in
Speaker 1: his head he believes. He'll tell you he's the most
Speaker 1: optimistic guy. He'll tell you that he lives in the
Speaker 1: land of what is that word he used the other day,
Speaker 1: um naivete that's it. So you can say, Jerry, he
Speaker 1: has to and he has. That's where he signs a
Speaker 1: lot of checks every single week to make sure that
Speaker 1: those guys are competitive on the field. So he has
Speaker 1: to live in that land. I don't have to live
Speaker 1: in that land. Hell, he signs my checks too, so
Speaker 1: I don't have to live in that land. I don't
Speaker 1: have to live in that land. He does. I get it.
Speaker 1: As someone who's a business owner, I get you gotta
Speaker 1: be optimistic, you gotta be always positive for your product.
Speaker 1: But I just I just think that particular time's timing.
Speaker 1: You don't if that's what you truly believe, don't say
Speaker 1: it today. You know, let the process play out because
Speaker 1: you I just think when people are gonna start looking
Speaker 1: around and saying, we saw what we had with Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: and we saw it, we have Andy Dalton. I probably
Speaker 1: would watch more to see round two of Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: than I want to see round two of Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: I think Andy, Andy gave us a win though Jesse, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he came in as a reliever, right,
Speaker 1: yes he did, but he but he gave us a win.
Speaker 1: And I think, and I get it, Jesse where you're
Speaker 1: coming from. I do. When you look at this NFC east, uh,
Speaker 1: you see nothing but futility. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: that's what's given Jerry pause to say, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: out of this yet. No matter how much we suck,
Speaker 1: we are still in this. But it is Andy a
Speaker 1: better option? That's the question? Is Andy a better option?
Speaker 1: I still would side with the track that we were on, Garrett,
Speaker 1: Gilbert was off the rails in regards to our plans.
Speaker 1: Did very well. And like you said, this guy's almost
Speaker 1: thirty years old. It might be thirty, so he's had
Speaker 1: professional experience and he showed that in the ballgame. But
Speaker 1: you're looking at if I'm gonna look at Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: versus Gilbert Garrett, I'm sorry, I gotta go with Andy,
Speaker 1: not just as an owner, but even if I'm a teammate,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Okay, Andy, we got sidetracked because you
Speaker 1: got COVID. Let's continue this track that we're on and
Speaker 1: see if we can do something with it, because we're
Speaker 1: still in it. Only because the NFC East is so bad.
Speaker 1: If this was any other division, Jesse, Andy's on the bench,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm resting uh digs even if he's ready
Speaker 1: in December. I get all of that. But this is
Speaker 1: such a unique situation to where the division winner might
Speaker 1: have five wins. Bro five wins, we can get to
Speaker 1: five wins, that is a question. You got, you got,
Speaker 1: you got, you got seven more games. We got the Giants,
Speaker 1: we got, we got Philly. Still we you know, it's
Speaker 1: still like it's still the NFC East. So you have
Speaker 1: to say not just yet. I'm you know, if it
Speaker 1: was any other division, any other season, I'm with you, Jesse,
Speaker 1: but I just can't give up right now, especially when
Speaker 1: forget that, forget the game after uh when when after
Speaker 1: the Giants game. He played well in the Giants game.
Speaker 1: I would like to see him with a weaker preparation again,
Speaker 1: with a better defense, with this new defense, and with
Speaker 1: this special teams that seems to be waking up and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're part of this team as well. We're that third
Speaker 1: fast of the game, but we're no less important than
Speaker 1: the other two fastt So you have that mentality right now,
Speaker 1: go into the locker room, Jesse. That defense was fired up.
Speaker 1: Let me let me add this quick little tibit. I
Speaker 1: know we gotta go to break quick little tidbit. Does
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton have a short leash? No? No, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay no. If that's the case, everybody's on
Speaker 1: the short lease? Yeah, I would have to do. Is
Speaker 1: that you saying no, too knew it? Yes, I here's
Speaker 1: my thing on on Andy Dalton and that we debated
Speaker 1: this yesterday because Barry Church was also with Jesse saying
Speaker 1: playing Garrett Gilbert until they're out of this. Andy Daltons
Speaker 1: is gonna be the guy once they're out of this.
Speaker 1: Then in December, you know, because I think that's what
Speaker 1: it'll be decided for the Cowboys in December, then you'll
Speaker 1: go ahead and go at Garrett Gilbert because by December,
Speaker 1: then again, you know, when you're out of it, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and all the games. And I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what they'll do. But I think Andy Dalton as
Speaker 1: long as they're in this, the Jones family wants to
Speaker 1: see Andy Dalton out there, and Mike McCarthy has said
Speaker 1: such as well. They want to have the best opportunity
Speaker 1: to win. Andy's experience in the league they feel like
Speaker 1: gives them that. Let's head to break here. Um, I
Speaker 1: want to answer something that the Jesse said about Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen having radio shows, and I'll compare it a
Speaker 1: little bit to something he's grown up with and we'll
Speaker 1: dive into a coaching question. Jerry and Stephen have radio show.
Speaker 1: The Jesse Jesse pos a little bit. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: reporter joined by two former Dallas Cowboys got Jesse Holley
Speaker 1: in here in Everson Walls. Jesse, you grew up in
Speaker 1: that Tri state area? Were you a Yankees or a
Speaker 1: Mets fan? Yankees? Okay? This is perfect because one of
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones' best friends in the industry was the late
Speaker 1: George Steinbrenners. And you know George Steinbrenner. While he didn't
Speaker 1: have a radio show, he invited the media to come
Speaker 1: talk to him all the time, and he was always
Speaker 1: forever talking. And I read the book The Yankee Years
Speaker 1: by Tom Verducci, and Joone talked about how he understood
Speaker 1: what he got into and knowing that the boss was
Speaker 1: gonna say one thing over here, but how he dealt
Speaker 1: with his players in the clubhouse was a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: And for me, Mike McCarthy, you signed up for this.
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry Jones talks on Tuesdays at eight thirty one,
Speaker 1: one oh five three to fan a, Sean and r J.
Speaker 1: And he talks on Fridays at ten thirty. Okay, because
Speaker 1: I used to do that ten thirty Friday show with
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, and you know Stephen talks on Monday. All right,
Speaker 1: this is what these guys do. They talk. So you
Speaker 1: got three times a week where you're going to hear
Speaker 1: from ownership in basketball, Mark Cuban before they changed the
Speaker 1: rules and they used had the StairMaster back there in
Speaker 1: the mask locker room where we could all go back
Speaker 1: there as media members. We would all go to Mark
Speaker 1: who'd be on that StairMaster at about six six oh five,
Speaker 1: and we would all get our pregame interviews from the
Speaker 1: owner of the Mavericks. This is good for us in
Speaker 1: the media, but I have no sympathy for any coach
Speaker 1: who comes in here because you know what you signed
Speaker 1: up for. Jerry Jones not only has a radio, he
Speaker 1: used to have his own TV show was called Special Edition.
Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean Jerry on TV man. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson survived it. He won two Super Bowls with it.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is. This is why you're
Speaker 1: in the big top bill parcels. He dealt with it
Speaker 1: in won games. I mean, Mike McCarthy, go, hey, win
Speaker 1: some games. You're going to have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: It was one time before you got to the Cowboys, Jesse.
Speaker 1: I remember it was a player that we in the media,
Speaker 1: we're asking Wade Phillips about and Way about signing and Way.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, we don't know where we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We may sign and we may not. We're like, Jerry
Speaker 1: already told you signed it, and Wade just kind of
Speaker 1: went like this, Okay, wherever Jerry said, wherever Jerry said,
Speaker 1: and that just is what it is. Nobody handled it
Speaker 1: better than Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett knew what it was.
Speaker 1: The Jones family talking comes with the meal and they
Speaker 1: may say one thing and you're trying to keep something
Speaker 1: under wraps and they may blow it out there. But
Speaker 1: this is what you signed up for. So for Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and you know, saying, hey, why do you have
Speaker 1: to why do you have to go out and tell everybody?
Speaker 1: Andy Daltons, this is what they do. This is what
Speaker 1: they do. Okay, they want you to talk about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They like the attention of it, and this is what
Speaker 1: it is. And I'm okay with it because I'm selfish
Speaker 1: and i want to know because the coaches don't give
Speaker 1: me anything. You got Mike McCarthy acting like he's some
Speaker 1: hockey coach. You don't want to tell nobody anything. You
Speaker 1: got a leg injury. We have stories, you have stories
Speaker 1: to writing, stories to tell, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: want to truth. When I want the truth, I go
Speaker 1: to Jerry. Okay. It's like it's like Will Smith said,
Speaker 1: tell the truth. Okay, Jerry's gonna tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: These coaches don't tell me anything. So that's why I
Speaker 1: love doing the Jerry Jones So we want I want
Speaker 1: the truth, and Jerry Jones don't give it to me. Stephen,
Speaker 1: not too much, but you know I have I begged
Speaker 1: the different just a bit. Jerry's gonna tell you Jerry's truth,
Speaker 1: and sometimes Jerry's truth is not necessarily what's going on
Speaker 1: inside the locker room. And you know, Jerry's on the team.
Speaker 1: Jerry owns the team. He owns them the most amazing
Speaker 1: UH sports business in the world. But we all know
Speaker 1: that before Jerry became famous and rich, Jerry seemed like
Speaker 1: he was selling snake oil. You know, he would be
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Everything's out o this. Every every
Speaker 1: potion is gonna make you better at sex, better at
Speaker 1: at eating, better at everything. You know that's that's the way,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of look at him. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna put a cherry on top of everything. So listen
Speaker 1: to Jerry. That may not necessarily mean that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get the truth. You might just be more entertained than
Speaker 1: you might get accuracy. Ever since, he wears two hats,
Speaker 1: and I've always said this about Jerry, this has been
Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic. He wears two hats, and I want
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a sports fan, you want the
Speaker 1: owner of the team to be excited. You want him
Speaker 1: to be optimistic and always looking at how things can
Speaker 1: get better. But I want my general manager to be pessimistic.
Speaker 1: I want my general manager to say the glass is
Speaker 1: half empty, the water is dirty, and we probably need
Speaker 1: to change everything. The issue becomes the general manager and
Speaker 1: the owner or the same guy and that. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, from a media standpoint, that has always
Speaker 1: that has been a part of the fun of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what's made the Cowboys so interesting
Speaker 1: that their own NBC three times the maximum three times
Speaker 1: every year. You just saw they were playing the game
Speaker 1: of the national Game of the week with TVA. But
Speaker 1: even when the Cowboys aren't good. People are still talking
Speaker 1: about the cowboys. And this is what Jerry Jones has built.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I learned by doing
Speaker 1: that radio show with him, Everson, Jerry's always been in
Speaker 1: business for himself. So you know, from selling insurance to
Speaker 1: being a Shaky's Pizza franchise owner, Jerry's always been hustling.
Speaker 1: Jerry's always been selling hope and he and that hasn't changed, man.
Speaker 1: So that is what he's going to do. So when
Speaker 1: he's talking about let's go Andy Dall's gotta be there.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be our guy. We can still win this division.
Speaker 1: It's a slim chance. That's Jerry. Jerry got Marguerite is
Speaker 1: to sell. Okay, got he got, He got sharts to sell.
Speaker 1: He's trying to get you, Everson, to buy your grandkids.
Speaker 1: Always got fifteen dollars. He has fifteen dollars Hamburgers to sell. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not there. But the problem you have when you
Speaker 1: have an owner that creates this this situation that, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, sometimes you have crap rolling
Speaker 1: down hill and it's all sound rosy coming out of
Speaker 1: Jerry's mouth, but by the time things get to be downhill,
Speaker 1: it just turns into a bunch of crowd. And here's
Speaker 1: what I mean. If you don't have a product on
Speaker 1: that field that's going to resemble anything close to your optimism,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, whether you're looking at on
Speaker 1: the field, as far as your team is concerned, it's
Speaker 1: not anything positive. They're gonna come up with all types
Speaker 1: of accidis to talk about just how bad your team is,
Speaker 1: even if they didn't play as bad as they say
Speaker 1: because of the optimism that was raining down on them.
Speaker 1: We're all in our seats, We're ready for it. Here
Speaker 1: it comes. Jerry said, it's gonna be true. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: believe in the Cowboy majesty in the height. And then
Speaker 1: you see what we see, say against the Cardinals, you
Speaker 1: see what we saw against the Red Skin, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: against the Washington football team. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you have over the top criticism, which can really
Speaker 1: affect everything that you're trying to build. Newie, So you
Speaker 1: gotta think about that. Sometimes sometimes reality is the best
Speaker 1: medicine for a team like the Cowboys. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something how it affects the locker room
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like, you know, the owner
Speaker 1: and the general manager. And I saw this from my
Speaker 1: own perspective when I was there done under the way
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett error. When there is a level of hierarchy,
Speaker 1: and I mean the guys who are worth the money,
Speaker 1: the big contract guys, the guys who are on have
Speaker 1: the jerseys and the stores, and they have the plaquers
Speaker 1: and they have the giant sized faces on the side
Speaker 1: of the stadium. Those guys are handled by Jerry and
Speaker 1: then it's all the rest of us that are handled
Speaker 1: by Garrett or Wade or Mike McCarthy. And so then
Speaker 1: it begins that it begins that fight of these guys knowing, man,
Speaker 1: that's coach can't do nothing to me because I answer
Speaker 1: to the guy upstairs. I don't mean I don't mean
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. I mean the other guy upstairs. Yeah, Halo
Speaker 1: lower down, but that other guy. And so now this
Speaker 1: is when you tre talking about how does it affect
Speaker 1: on the field, because you have guys who are on
Speaker 1: the field who know that no matter what that coaches say,
Speaker 1: that I'm tied in to the other guy, and that
Speaker 1: guy will determine whether I'm here or not not this
Speaker 1: guy who was calling the shots from the sideline. And
Speaker 1: and that sometimes can affect a play on the field
Speaker 1: because guys who probably shouldn't be on the field maybe
Speaker 1: should have left time on the field. But because they
Speaker 1: have the contract that they have, they're dealt with differently
Speaker 1: and by different people. I remember one time it was
Speaker 1: Felix Jones, and Felix Jones had like fumbled in a
Speaker 1: couple of games, and Jason Garrett was like, you know
Speaker 1: guys who fumbling games, you know that don't pay the consequences.
Speaker 1: We might not start him in the game. He said this,
Speaker 1: and then they caught Jerry five minutes later and said
Speaker 1: Philix Jones will be the starting running back for US
Speaker 1: next week. So, as a player in the locker room,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there looking like, well, who do I believe?
Speaker 1: Do I believe the guy who said Philip Jones is
Speaker 1: gonna sit coming out of the game. I'm gonna guy.
Speaker 1: I know who to believe, I know who to believe.
Speaker 1: But but you see how that you see how that
Speaker 1: can be a sticky situation for guys in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I'm looking around and saying, well, I heard that report
Speaker 1: and I heard that report. Now let's see what's going
Speaker 1: to happen this week in practice. And then you see
Speaker 1: Philix Jones starting the next game, you go, oh, I
Speaker 1: know who I know who really called the shots here
Speaker 1: and there. So that's something of dynama that can sometimes
Speaker 1: can mess up a locker room because you know the
Speaker 1: difference between who says who, who does what. Jesse, Here's
Speaker 1: here's two things I'll respond to you on that. Number one,
Speaker 1: I never ever ever felt bad for Jason Garrett when
Speaker 1: those situations happened. Because Jason Garrett knew what he signed
Speaker 1: up for. He could have taken a job as a
Speaker 1: head coach in the Atlanta Falcons would an owner like
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank who to let him do what he wanted
Speaker 1: to do. But he said no to that. He said
Speaker 1: not to Steve A. Schotti, another owner who let him
Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted to do, but he said no,
Speaker 1: I'll stay here as the offensive coordinator. Make it as
Speaker 1: much money as way. Phil, So you got what you
Speaker 1: signed up for, and yes, you are right. There are
Speaker 1: players that know Troitman didn't like Chan. Dailey didn't want
Speaker 1: to run chainl again his offensive Guess who got got Chan?
Speaker 1: Gaily so yes, you are right. This is how it
Speaker 1: works here. But this is also how everybody who comes
Speaker 1: in here you get. Mike McCarthy knows the way it
Speaker 1: goes here. Okay, Jerry's been here thirty years now, thirty years.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. You can like it, you
Speaker 1: can dislike it, but you know what it is. And
Speaker 1: for me, I would rather know where I stand and
Speaker 1: know the way things are for things that just to
Speaker 1: not never know. You know, Jerry's gonna want what Jerry wants.
Speaker 1: And Jerry loves us. He loves the style. He likes
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to be big, he likes the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: be in the news. This is how he's operating. How
Speaker 1: the coach of teams KNEWI And that's what matters. Man.
Speaker 1: You still gotta be able to coach the team. And
Speaker 1: that might be good for the media and and and
Speaker 1: just really interesting for all of us, But when you're
Speaker 1: trying to put a winning product on the field, you
Speaker 1: gotta let your coach coach, and you know, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta know when to be quiet and what not
Speaker 1: to say. There are times when you have to be
Speaker 1: in Unison as a as an organization in Unison, your
Speaker 1: coach has to he's got enough problems. You gotta deal
Speaker 1: with all these guys in the locker room. Now, he
Speaker 1: has to deal with this, deal with the media, these
Speaker 1: confusing things here. We just talked about it. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get I'm not gonna give him
Speaker 1: the former president. I'm not gonna give him that. He's
Speaker 1: much better than that. But it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: chaotic situation when you have different information coming from the
Speaker 1: same organization. So as a player like Jesse was saying,
Speaker 1: what's going on, who's calling the plays, who's calling the shots?
Speaker 1: And we know who's calling the shots in one way,
Speaker 1: but we gotta have somebody on this field, on this
Speaker 1: sideline that I can look to other than the player
Speaker 1: who knows what's going on. And I'll say this in
Speaker 1: closing for this topic. If I'm a player and I
Speaker 1: really like what I saw in and Garrett Gilbert in
Speaker 1: that game, and I feel like, you know what I fellas,
Speaker 1: we get we get Garret Gilbert again, let's let's just
Speaker 1: try to put this together. And then you hear, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't get Garret Gilbert next week. Like that affects
Speaker 1: me as a player because I may have really liked
Speaker 1: what this quarterback was doing. If I'm a receiver, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this looks much better than what I had with Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: And then now I got to realize we back to
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton again. That could bring down my spirit in
Speaker 1: the way that I prepare and mentally, physically emotional. It's like,
Speaker 1: start start a quarterback controversy like we did back in
Speaker 1: the eighties. Man, that's all you gotta do. That's all
Speaker 1: you gotta do. Just go to the paper like we did.
Speaker 1: Just start the quarterback controversy. That's all you got. Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: the Gary hogeboom of the Cowboys. All right, ay, fellas,
Speaker 1: this was fun. We didn't even get to the other topics.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the coaching topic tomorrow. Here. Everson Walls
Speaker 1: and Jesse Holly will be with me tomorrow. So one
Speaker 1: more day of having more former Cowboys bringing some insights. Fellas,
Speaker 1: this was fun. I appreciated. Everybody. Make sure you tell
Speaker 1: friends about this, about this show. It's normally the players
Speaker 1: louds with with Barry Church and Danny mccraib, but they're
Speaker 1: on some other shows. We're kind of mixing things up.
Speaker 1: And having some fun. We'll talk to everybody tomorrow at
Speaker 1: two thirty Central. All right, fellas, take care, everybody, go Cowboys.
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