WEBVTT - Community & Hierarchy of Needs Ft. Saint Andrew 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:15.440 Welcome to it could happen here podcast. I'm Robert Evans, 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:24.160 So is that it? I'm fortunately, I'm so sorry. All right, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.040 well I just apologize really quick. If that's a lot 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.040 to take in. No, that was a good introduction. That 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.279 was a good introduction. We got across the gist. Who 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.519 else is here with you? Robert? That's a great question. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.080 Is Garrison here? Yeah? I don't think they're here? Is 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:46.720 Chris here? Is st Andrew here? I am indeed excellent? Um, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.800 why don't you take over and do and do my 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.720 job for me? That sounds cool, actually good idea, fantastic, 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.680 It was often and everybody I m saying, I'm true. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.200 Back to guest wist yet again. Um, last time we 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:08.040 spoke about you know, soft climate change, Nile and continue 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.039 the theme of me talking about whatever I want to 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:16.559 talk about as per contractual obbligation. UM. Today, I wanted 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.040 to explode a concept that I brought up one of 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:26.560 my recent videos, UM, self and community actualization. Yeah right, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.600 so first we needs get in some context of course. UM. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.120 I mean when most people hear self actualization, they probably 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.959 think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right, the famous permit 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:44.000 that management Uh, staff tend to use up in their 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:51.240 offices and such Los Angeles yoga ladies. Uh. The context 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.240 in which I've heard self actualization the most. Yeah yeah, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:00.760 that whole group kind of you know yeah, um, but yeah, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.880 so self actualization. Master's hierarchy of needs, the old psych 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.400 one on one stuff, you know. I mean, it's traditionally 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.400 represented as a pyramid, but it was never how Maslow 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.120 himself actually depicted it. Um. It was actually something that 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:22.160 later in two preters of his work ran with and popularized. Um. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.240 And so that as a result of that pyramid, there 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.720 are a lot of you know, critiques of Master's theory 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.600 that don't quite engage with his theory, would rather engage 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:37.240 with like interpretations of his theory by other people. But um, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.800 you know, I think it's still an interesting way to 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.680 depict human needs, and I think it's a good launching 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.080 point to start thinking about and start discussing, you know, 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:54.079 human needs. Um, what you'll think you'll are on the 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.640 pyramid right now, just for posterity's sake, Oh right up 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:03.640 on the tippy top. I'm like I've been, I've been. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.800 I've been very lucky to do exactly like what I 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.480 want to do for a living most of my life 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.760 and and now I own goats, so it doesn't get 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.919 anything that including one absolute unit. He's fucking massive. He's 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:25.960 a chunky buddy. What about Karen? Yes, I really don't know. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.639 I don't. I don't spend too much time thinking about 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.440 models like this, especially around kind of my own my 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:37.360 own goals, um and like where I see myself. Um, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.120 but I don't know. I mean, I'm i'm I'm doing 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.800 like him. I'm I'm relatively stable with my like actual 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.000 physical needs. UM. So I guess, yeah, I'm just trying 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.320 to figure out what I actually want out of life, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.600 like a lot of younger people do. I guess, right, right, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.320 So I guess that's more on the um esteem, yes, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:04.040 my stuff chization side of things. Yeah, And it's harder 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.720 because you can say, like, well, within the context of 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.160 like what is possible, I'm I'm I'm aware I want 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.000 to be and I'm doing stuff that I want to 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.760 be doing. But also everything feels like a disaster around 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.560 me all the time because the time simon, which makes 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.400 it difficult to be is right. I was about to say, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.760 is anybody really on the safety needs category of of 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.400 the pyramid. I mean some people like absolutely, yeah, but 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.880 this group, I mean yeah, like we we we are 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.000 there's like a weird there's like a weird disassociation between 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.039 what's actually going on and what we know could be 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:52.239 going around on in like the larger sphere. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.480 that's that's a very good way of thinking about it. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.719 Is like, yeah, my immediate needs are met. Am. I 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.520 very concerned that large chunks of the places I love 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.960 will be unlivable and you know, there will be that 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.000 we're kind of staring in the face of a variety 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.520 of calamities that that could uh make everything worse for 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.200 me and everybody I care about. Absolutely, but I can't 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.120 do anything about that, right. The other thing I was 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.320 going to point out is that with like with like 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:29.479 the physio needs, is that includes sleep. Yeah, this is 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.120 who you're talking about, being the sun shining down on 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.040 the pyramid and it gets up there, you know, the sleep. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.320 The sleep scientists have had their pockets in big bed 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:46.760 for far too long, the cozy industrial complex problem. It's fine. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.240 I was just gonna say something else that that I 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.480 was going to say that, um, you know, the pyramid 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.000 as we are discovering in this conversation doesn't really accurately 0:05:55.040 --> 0:06:00.360 map out you know, needs and human psychology really because 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.000 I mean not just because our brains aren't shaped like pyramids, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.719 but also because at any point in time we can 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.920 be struggling multiple um sections and parts of the needs. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.120 So for example, we could all be breathing air and 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.800 drinking water and having our food and stuff met right now. Um, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.840 And you know, you might be like really respected and 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.039 stuff in your field. Um, and you might have a 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.920 certain could sense of self esteem and stuff. But then 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.000 at the same time, you know you're not in a 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.080 safe place, or you may be dealing with like a 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:46.120 debilitating health condition, or you maybe lack in certain resources 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.800 that you need to like thrive right so and then 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.080 or maybe you know you have here food, water, shelter, sleep, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.919 all that, and you know you're secure and you have 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.880 what you need and whatever, but you have no friends. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.000 You know, you have no intimacy, no family sense a 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.520 connection with other people. So you're kind of like living 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.400 in this bubble, just floating through life, you know. I mean, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.840 your bubble is say, if it has what you need, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:25.119 But there's now that social aspect, and I think What's 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.440 interesting about this is because as we start to talk 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.640 about maths, this hierarchy of needs, we start to see 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:38.520 the structural and societal um impact on you know, our 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.920 psychology and on our needs. Right, because if you want 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.200 to talk about our safety needs, for example, well let's 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.520 get to stay to the to the bottom, to the basic. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.840 If you want to talk about physiological needs, water is 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.320 now a package and commodified product. Right. Food is something 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.960 that is inaccessible to many, not because we don't have 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:03.760 enough food, but because the distribution of it to meet 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.200 the needs of all. It's not what's prioritized on the 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.960 capitalism right there, as at people who are lacking in shelter, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.119 you know, um, and a lot of people are sleep 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:18.560 deprived by the systems we're living in, ye hmm. And 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.440 the same thing with safety. You know, we have faced 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:26.760 literally threatened by climate change, and you know, we are 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.160 atomized from our relationships and stuff because so much of 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.520 so many of us have to work so hard, you know, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.560 every day, five days a week or more, eight hours 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.120 or more, pretty and it really just strips us of 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.600 our social connections. And that's our st needs were sort 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.000 of stripped of that by you know, these commercial messages 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.280 that we get about like you're not this unless you 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.080 have this, and bye bye bye kind of thing, right, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.319 and in self actualization isn't even really a thought for 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.480 a lot of people because they's still busy trying to 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.280 reach those other things um or don't even have the 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.480 time to think about or they can become who they 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.320 are um and we get intoide a bit more later 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.160 on in this discussion, but they don't really have the 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.800 time of the sense to think about that because they've 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:20.520 been so restricted by their circumstances, right and on top 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:25.000 of that, restricted by like the messages that they would 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.000 have gotten, you know, whether it be in the school 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.880 system or through ads or whatever the case may be. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.839 So I think looking at the pyramid, of course it's 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.840 incomplete and the issues with it, but it does illuminate 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.200 some interesting things that you know, we're dealing with right now. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.599 I mean, yeah, I definitely it's easier to self actualized 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.920 and have esteem once your needs are met. But I 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.400 think definitely there's an ability to jump around, especially when 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.840 you know you have like a large scale depression and 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.800 alienation and disassociation. Think it is it's a weird sense 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.680 where you can kind of hop around pyramid quite quite often. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.600 Even if you have certain things met, this doesn't necessarily 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.200 mean you have something you know above or below. Yeah, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.840 like I I I when it comes to like actual 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.720 people that I associate with, you know, all of whom 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.720 are folks who have to, like I have to work 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.480 in order to live. I don't think I've ever heard 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.520 anyone talk about happiness in terms of like self actualization. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.839 It's always in terms of like when I get my 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.160 student loans paid off, you know, when I get my 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.400 when I'm able to take care of this health problem 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.280 that I have, like when I have enough money. It's 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.400 basically everything boils down to for most people, when I 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.319 have enough money to not be as suffering as much 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.360 from this specific thing, or to not be scared about 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.880 not having enough money. Um, which is I think more 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.200 would I get from people when they're talking about like 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.080 aspirational goals than I would like to do this thing 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:01.560 that that fulfills me as a person. Um Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.720 It's like like any any kind of actual self actualization 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.840 becomes this not just a luxury, but a luxury that's 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:14.319 just unimaginable. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Some people can't even imagine, 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.839 I know people who have just basically given up on 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.360 like ever being able to repay their loans, right, Like 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.360 they've just resigned themselves like this is my life now 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.120 for all eternity, this is this is it, you know, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.760 And I can't blame them. Who can really blame them 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.600 when that is the reality, you know for a lot 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.400 of people taking themselves out to that is not possible 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.280 even if they did get a whole bunch of the 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.360 money or able to like pay off a bit more 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.720 PU month, you know, this left interest rates. They're just 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:47.280 like so badly exploitative that they're basically suits for the 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:59.719 rest of lives. Of course, we had to have that 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.800 brief moment of damn, the system sucks, as is typical 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.640 on it could happen here. But I want to shift 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:15.280 attention now to another society and another culture that has 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:22.520 approached this human needs and human psychology and human society 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.760 thing differently. Right, Um, what's been coming to a lot 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:31.800 more people's attention lateally is that Abraham Maslow Um he 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.040 was actually partially inspired to develop his theory by his 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.400 stay with the six Seeker Blackfoot, and I went into 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.320 some of the details on the video on my channel. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.040 UM rethinking Maslow's hierarchy of needs psycho a bit more 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:52.439 in there, but basically, um, what he discovers, what I 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.240 get to in that video is that, well, firstly, some 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.960 cultures views as being born self actualized, right, like these 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.000 seek of Blackfoot meaning and that's the Blackfoot just for 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.200 a little bit of context, or are an indigenous people. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.560 I think confederation is how they tend to refer to 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:20.839 themselves in like Montana, I think Idaho. Um yeah, up 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.080 in Canada. Yeah, I kind of like Idaho, Montana and 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.920 parts of Canada, um like that's that's Blackfoot territory. They 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.800 were also Maslow spent time with them. L Run Hubbard 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.240 lied about having spent a lot of time with the Blackfoot. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.520 So I didn't know that. I don't. Oh yes, there's 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.800 a lot of scientology law if you have to catch 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.200 up one yeah, but um yeah. So you know, with 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.719 Maslow's model, self auctionalization is essentially you know, self fulfillment, right, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.280 the tendency for the individual to become more and more 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.320 what one is and to become everything that one is 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.640 capable of becoming. So I like fulfilling your potential as 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.000 a person, as a partner, as a parent, as a talent, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.320 as a artist, as a whatever, just fulfilling your potential 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.400 as a person. Right. But to say that we are 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.600 born self actualized, um, that framing will looks too seeing 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.880 us each as born in the world with a spark 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.600 of divinity, because of course this is tied into their spirituality. Um, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.400 born for the spark of divinity and with a great 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:35.040 purpose embedded in us. And what self actualization is linked 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:39.000 to in these cultures inextricably linked to that is is 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.200 community actualization. Right. So community actualization is a concept that 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.040 places the actualized individual in the context of community. So 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.440 instead of just upholding the individual alone, which Maslow's hierarchy 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.400 has been critiqued for sort of doing, community actualization incorporates 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.640 the web of relationships that supports each of us as individuals. Basically, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:07.400 it recognizes that we cannot be self actualized solely as 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.160 individuals if there's not like a broader network over at, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.760 a web that is supports us. You know, we're not 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.520 islands standing alone, you know, yeah, yeah, we were. We were. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.800 We were touching on on on that point a bit 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.760 a bit previous, but less eloquently. Um, how yeah, it is, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.800 it is. It's it's it's much easier to have the 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:34.040 ability to actualize your goals into into actions when you 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.520 are less alienated and you have and you have all 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.760 these other things around around a community. Yeah, exactly. It 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.080 is that. I think, like the lack of community self 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.640 actualization is kind of what we were talking about in 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.720 terms of like, yeah, things are seeing things are great 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.320 for me inasmuch as things are great, you know in 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.640 the system we live in, but I I don't feel that, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.640 you know, yeah, you can look outside and you're everything 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.840 is actually really bad. I'm just kind of in my 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.680 little bubble and I'm trying to expand my bubble to 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.880 be around, you know, and to help more people. But 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.280 it can be overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, I mean, it's only 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.880 so much one person could do. And that's kind of 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.040 the hoole point of community, right Our community supports our 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.120 basic needs and basically equips us to manifest our poopous 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.240 So it's a community would be there too, for example, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.520 and we can get into this a bit more designer 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.720 model of education that supports us in expressing all unique gifts. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.600 Right now, the part of the six scot philosophy involves 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.720 cultural perpetuity, where there's an important consideration of those who 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.360 came before and those who are coming after seven generations 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.400 forward and seven generations backward. As I had it explain 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:55.000 to me too, that is something that I think it 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.520 would have been useful when it came to discussions of, 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:04.720 um you, climate change. And it's very relevant now because 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.760 we are seeing the older generations basically struggling and being like, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.480 you know, um well it's jen Z's problem. Now you 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.960 could take care of it. You're in the future kids, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.840 all right, well that yeah, when they're basically on the 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.960 download saying fuck them kids. You know, yeah, but can 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.560 I say that or yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.720 always say the kids. I say that to Garrison all 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:36.280 the time without all right yeah yeah. But speaking of kids, um, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.400 I think we could compare and contrast basically how childhood 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.760 is approached in our society versus how it would be 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:50.200 approached in society that values community actualization. UM. I mean, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.960 and I'm just speaking from my experience here. Of course 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.040 you're a free talk about your own um I from 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:03.399 like primary school and stuff. I remember it's constantly feeling 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.120 like I had to compete with my fellow um classmates. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.359 I mean, you know, I was friendly and stuff with 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:15.560 everybody and stuff, but since I was like usually at 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.199 or close to the top of my class, I always 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.440 felt this kind of pressure to just beat them out 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.639 and continue to be the best gifted kid ever. You know. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.040 So there was a sense of like constant competition with 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:36.680 others that wasn't really balanced out with a kind of 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:44.040 um collaborative sort of approach to like basically trading us 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.959 from like an early age to learn to cooperate and 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:52.040 work with people as people and as comrades, you know, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.879 although comrade is a way way to put it. But yeah, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:58.480 I just remember there was a sort of sense of 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:04.840 sort of atomization that's undercooded. That's sorts of educational approach. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.280 I I feel like that's pretty uh universal in a 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.640 lot of a lot of parts of our modern world. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:21.680 We definitely really embed that sense of competition into very 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.400 young kids, of whether that being in school or like wherever. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.280 Because yeah, that was that was definitely my experience, even 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.880 even like in private school in Canada a long time ago. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.600 And I know that's that's the thing across you know, 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.520 across out the ocean as well. On on the other 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:53.119 side of the pond. Yeah, we are back. That doesn't 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:59.560 sound like us are we are? We really back. Sorry, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:06.960 it's and a m um all right. So when we're 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:12.080 to look at like childhood and education and stuff in 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.439 society there would value community actualization. Um, what sort of 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.159 things do you guys think who would be seeing in 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.040 that sort of society. What sort of approaches do you 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.240 think would be embedded from an early age. I'm trying 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.399 to put it into words, so kind of one of 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.560 the things I'm I'm currently in a living situation right 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.399 where I have. I'm working with a group of people 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.600 on a chunk of land and so every week we 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.920 do projects on it to make it better, um, which 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.639 is tremendously satisfying. And I think in a in a 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.959 society where that kind of self actualization like you've been 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.520 talking about was more common, kids would feel that way 0:20:54.560 --> 0:21:00.200 about doing things, um that improve their community like that, 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.199 that that take care of the people around them, that 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.440 make you know, wherever they live a better place to live, 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.120 Like that would be. That would be in the same 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.240 way that like I go out each weekend thinking that 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.600 will be a fun thing to do to like to 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.119 improve the place that I'm living. I think that would 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:21.360 be kind of, um a common feeling like that would 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.480 be a common activity as a kid to go engage 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.240 in projects like that. Yeah, and I mean we already 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:31.000 see children doing that, right except they do it in minecraft. Yes, yeah, 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.760 I mean like the impulse is being directed somewhere currently. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.760 This isn't a thing you have to This isn't a 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.520 thing you have to like splice into kids little brains 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.359 to make them want to do it. Kids love making 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.119 ship exactly. Like if you give a child and opportunity 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.879 and sort of facility that like, they a very a 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.560 lot of them. I can't really generalize because I know 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.760 some kids were like you do what you had to do. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.080 I want to see in my corner. But there a 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.480 lot of kids as well who would be like very 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.639 very willing to be helpful, you know, they really like 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.919 they just a door being a helper and being someone 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.840 who can support, whether it be in the kitchen, you know, 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.200 with like a little broom or whatever, sweeping, whatever the 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.600 case may be. So some my kids don't want to 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.239 be parts of a community, you know, because we are 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.560 social animals. Um, it's just that right now, it is 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:25.960 directed at like Minecraft, supers or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.479 think one of the things that I would really focus on, 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.080 because this is just kind of in my experience, is 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:35.359 teaching young kids how to cook, um and then having 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.399 them cook or at least help cook food for other people. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.119 I think it's a really great kind of skill to learn. 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.800 But also it it does this weird thing to your 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:47.840 brain when you do that. It's like you you get 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.439 very happy when you cook food for for other people. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.200 And I think it's it's a really good kind of 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.280 emotional impulse to give kids. It's like, hey, this is 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.440 you can make people feel good by doing things for them, um. 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.760 And because that makes you feel good and it makes 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.160 them feel good, and then that really builds that whole 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:13.240 sense of community. So yeah, yeah, yeah, some kids could 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.480 be a man like but like both self lessness, but 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:21.080 it also teaches you to like do stuff for yourself 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.200 as well. Right, It's a good skill to be self 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.880 also be self sustaining. So I think that's that's why 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.879 I really enjoy teaching kids cooking. Um. I used to 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.320 I I used to be a culinary instructor because I'm 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.840 really just passionate about that specific thing. Yeah, I mean 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.679 for me perasonally, Um, I develop an aneurism whenever anyone's 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:46.280 in the kitchen with me. Yes, there is definitely moments 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.159 where if there's too many people in a kitchen, that 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.560 is frustrating. But if if you do it right, you 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:53.639 can get you can get a thirteen year old cooking 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:58.440 you an entire like really really nice holiday dinner. Um, 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.800 which is which is what I was when I was thirteen, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.919 I was cooking all of the holiday dinners for my 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.639 entire family, um, because I just I wanted to learn cooking. 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.879 So it's it's definitely possible if you're a parent and 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.720 you want less time in the kitchen. Uh, teacher kid 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.320 how to cook? Yeah, I mean I come from a 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.880 family of child cooks, right. I remember, Um this one 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.800 time I think I was making like a card cake 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.640 with my mom. Um. But I was used to like 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.440 licking my fingers when you know you make that cookie 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:34.480 cookie dough and stuff. But I licked my fingers when 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.600 the when I cracked the egg acts like stuff. You 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.280 can't do that, you know. So I just remember that 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.040 was one of the experiences in the kitchen. It really 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.320 stood out to me. Lessons lessons will be learned about 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:55.639 like bacteria. Yeah, you know, it'sience. Knives, you get to 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.159 get to learn how to use knives, get to learn 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.280 about heat. You know, there's a lot, a lot of 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.520 a lot of good lessons you can learn inside. I 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:06.320 get firing safety, chemistry, you know, bunch of stuff well 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.800 mixed in there. You know, even math, even absolutely fractions. 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.240 It's one of the only times I use fractions is 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:17.639 in cooking and baking. Yeah, I mean, as embarrassing as 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.080 it is, I use Google when I want to confut 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.600 measurements still, but I mean it's just there. It's more convenient. 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.480 But yeah, I absolutely agree that example, you know, like 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.280 the use of like cooking lessons and that sort of 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:37.119 thing too. Support um to support like kids self actualization. 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.720 I also the community actualization because of my experience, and 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.000 the thing I default too is different versions of like 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.439 the youth liberation argument. But because of how people have 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.840 been using that term on Twitter right now, I don't 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.280 want to talk about it because it's been causing a 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.920 lot of like really dumb fighting about what that term 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.119 actually means and who coined it and like that kind 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.600 of stuff. But that's kind of where I default too, 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:04.760