1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here podcast. I'm Robert Evans, 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: So is that it? I'm fortunately, I'm so sorry. All right, 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: well I just apologize really quick. If that's a lot 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: to take in. No, that was a good introduction. That 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: was a good introduction. We got across the gist. Who 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: else is here with you? Robert? That's a great question. 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Is Garrison here? Yeah? I don't think they're here? Is 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Chris here? Is st Andrew here? I am indeed excellent? Um, 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: why don't you take over and do and do my 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: job for me? That sounds cool, actually good idea, fantastic, 11 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: It was often and everybody I m saying, I'm true. 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Back to guest wist yet again. Um, last time we 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: spoke about you know, soft climate change, Nile and continue 14 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: the theme of me talking about whatever I want to 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: talk about as per contractual obbligation. UM. Today, I wanted 16 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: to explode a concept that I brought up one of 17 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: my recent videos, UM, self and community actualization. Yeah right, 18 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: so first we needs get in some context of course. UM. 19 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean when most people hear self actualization, they probably 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right, the famous permit 21 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: that management Uh, staff tend to use up in their 22 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: offices and such Los Angeles yoga ladies. Uh. The context 23 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: in which I've heard self actualization the most. Yeah yeah, 24 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: that whole group kind of you know yeah, um, but yeah, 25 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: so self actualization. Master's hierarchy of needs, the old psych 26 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: one on one stuff, you know. I mean, it's traditionally 27 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: represented as a pyramid, but it was never how Maslow 28 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: himself actually depicted it. Um. It was actually something that 29 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: later in two preters of his work ran with and popularized. Um. 30 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: And so that as a result of that pyramid, there 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: are a lot of you know, critiques of Master's theory 32 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: that don't quite engage with his theory, would rather engage 33 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: with like interpretations of his theory by other people. But um, 34 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's still an interesting way to 35 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: depict human needs, and I think it's a good launching 36 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: point to start thinking about and start discussing, you know, 37 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: human needs. Um, what you'll think you'll are on the 38 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: pyramid right now, just for posterity's sake, Oh right up 39 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: on the tippy top. I'm like I've been, I've been. 40 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: I've been very lucky to do exactly like what I 41 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: want to do for a living most of my life 42 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and and now I own goats, so it doesn't get 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: anything that including one absolute unit. He's fucking massive. He's 44 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: a chunky buddy. What about Karen? Yes, I really don't know. 45 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't spend too much time thinking about 46 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: models like this, especially around kind of my own my 47 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: own goals, um and like where I see myself. Um, 48 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean, I'm i'm I'm doing 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: like him. I'm I'm relatively stable with my like actual 50 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: physical needs. UM. So I guess, yeah, I'm just trying 51 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what I actually want out of life, 52 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of younger people do. I guess, right, right, 53 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: So I guess that's more on the um esteem, yes, 54 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: my stuff chization side of things. Yeah, And it's harder 55 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: because you can say, like, well, within the context of 56 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: like what is possible, I'm I'm I'm aware I want 57 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: to be and I'm doing stuff that I want to 58 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: be doing. But also everything feels like a disaster around 59 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: me all the time because the time simon, which makes 60 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: it difficult to be is right. I was about to say, 61 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: is anybody really on the safety needs category of of 62 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: the pyramid. I mean some people like absolutely, yeah, but 63 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: this group, I mean yeah, like we we we are 64 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: there's like a weird there's like a weird disassociation between 65 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: what's actually going on and what we know could be 66 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: going around on in like the larger sphere. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, 67 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: that's that's a very good way of thinking about it. 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, my immediate needs are met. Am. I 69 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: very concerned that large chunks of the places I love 70 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: will be unlivable and you know, there will be that 71 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: we're kind of staring in the face of a variety 72 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: of calamities that that could uh make everything worse for 73 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: me and everybody I care about. Absolutely, but I can't 74 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: do anything about that, right. The other thing I was 75 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: going to point out is that with like with like 76 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: the physio needs, is that includes sleep. Yeah, this is 77 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: who you're talking about, being the sun shining down on 78 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: the pyramid and it gets up there, you know, the sleep. 79 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: The sleep scientists have had their pockets in big bed 80 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: for far too long, the cozy industrial complex problem. It's fine. 81 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say something else that that I 82 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: was going to say that, um, you know, the pyramid 83 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: as we are discovering in this conversation doesn't really accurately 84 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: map out you know, needs and human psychology really because 85 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean not just because our brains aren't shaped like pyramids, 86 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: but also because at any point in time we can 87 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: be struggling multiple um sections and parts of the needs. 88 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: So for example, we could all be breathing air and 89 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: drinking water and having our food and stuff met right now. Um, 90 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: And you know, you might be like really respected and 91 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: stuff in your field. Um, and you might have a 92 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: certain could sense of self esteem and stuff. But then 93 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know you're not in a 94 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: safe place, or you may be dealing with like a 95 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: debilitating health condition, or you maybe lack in certain resources 96 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: that you need to like thrive right so and then 97 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: or maybe you know you have here food, water, shelter, sleep, 98 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: all that, and you know you're secure and you have 99 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: what you need and whatever, but you have no friends. 100 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, you have no intimacy, no family sense a 101 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: connection with other people. So you're kind of like living 102 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: in this bubble, just floating through life, you know. I mean, 103 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: your bubble is say, if it has what you need, 104 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: But there's now that social aspect, and I think What's 105 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: interesting about this is because as we start to talk 106 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: about maths, this hierarchy of needs, we start to see 107 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: the structural and societal um impact on you know, our 108 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: psychology and on our needs. Right, because if you want 109 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: to talk about our safety needs, for example, well let's 110 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: get to stay to the to the bottom, to the basic. 111 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: If you want to talk about physiological needs, water is 112 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: now a package and commodified product. Right. Food is something 113 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: that is inaccessible to many, not because we don't have 114 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: enough food, but because the distribution of it to meet 115 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: the needs of all. It's not what's prioritized on the 116 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: capitalism right there, as at people who are lacking in shelter, 117 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: you know, um, and a lot of people are sleep 118 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: deprived by the systems we're living in, ye hmm. And 119 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: the same thing with safety. You know, we have faced 120 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: literally threatened by climate change, and you know, we are 121 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: atomized from our relationships and stuff because so much of 122 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: so many of us have to work so hard, you know, 123 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: every day, five days a week or more, eight hours 124 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: or more, pretty and it really just strips us of 125 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: our social connections. And that's our st needs were sort 126 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: of stripped of that by you know, these commercial messages 127 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: that we get about like you're not this unless you 128 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: have this, and bye bye bye kind of thing, right, 129 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: and in self actualization isn't even really a thought for 130 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people because they's still busy trying to 131 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: reach those other things um or don't even have the 132 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: time to think about or they can become who they 133 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: are um and we get intoide a bit more later 134 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: on in this discussion, but they don't really have the 135 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: time of the sense to think about that because they've 136 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: been so restricted by their circumstances, right and on top 137 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: of that, restricted by like the messages that they would 138 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: have gotten, you know, whether it be in the school 139 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: system or through ads or whatever the case may be. 140 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: So I think looking at the pyramid, of course it's 141 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: incomplete and the issues with it, but it does illuminate 142 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: some interesting things that you know, we're dealing with right now. 143 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I definitely it's easier to self actualized 144 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: and have esteem once your needs are met. But I 145 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: think definitely there's an ability to jump around, especially when 146 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: you know you have like a large scale depression and 147 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: alienation and disassociation. Think it is it's a weird sense 148 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: where you can kind of hop around pyramid quite quite often. 149 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: Even if you have certain things met, this doesn't necessarily 150 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: mean you have something you know above or below. Yeah, 151 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: like I I I when it comes to like actual 152 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: people that I associate with, you know, all of whom 153 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: are folks who have to, like I have to work 154 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: in order to live. I don't think I've ever heard 155 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: anyone talk about happiness in terms of like self actualization. 156 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: It's always in terms of like when I get my 157 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: student loans paid off, you know, when I get my 158 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: when I'm able to take care of this health problem 159 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: that I have, like when I have enough money. It's 160 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: basically everything boils down to for most people, when I 161 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: have enough money to not be as suffering as much 162 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: from this specific thing, or to not be scared about 163 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: not having enough money. Um, which is I think more 164 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: would I get from people when they're talking about like 165 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: aspirational goals than I would like to do this thing 166 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: that that fulfills me as a person. Um Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 167 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: It's like like any any kind of actual self actualization 168 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: becomes this not just a luxury, but a luxury that's 169 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: just unimaginable. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Some people can't even imagine, 170 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: I know people who have just basically given up on 171 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: like ever being able to repay their loans, right, Like 172 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: they've just resigned themselves like this is my life now 173 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: for all eternity, this is this is it, you know, 174 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: And I can't blame them. Who can really blame them 175 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: when that is the reality, you know for a lot 176 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: of people taking themselves out to that is not possible 177 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: even if they did get a whole bunch of the 178 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: money or able to like pay off a bit more 179 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: PU month, you know, this left interest rates. They're just 180 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: like so badly exploitative that they're basically suits for the 181 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: rest of lives. Of course, we had to have that 182 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: brief moment of damn, the system sucks, as is typical 183 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: on it could happen here. But I want to shift 184 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: attention now to another society and another culture that has 185 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: approached this human needs and human psychology and human society 186 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: thing differently. Right, Um, what's been coming to a lot 187 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: more people's attention lateally is that Abraham Maslow Um he 188 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: was actually partially inspired to develop his theory by his 189 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: stay with the six Seeker Blackfoot, and I went into 190 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: some of the details on the video on my channel. 191 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: UM rethinking Maslow's hierarchy of needs psycho a bit more 192 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: in there, but basically, um, what he discovers, what I 193 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: get to in that video is that, well, firstly, some 194 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: cultures views as being born self actualized, right, like these 195 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: seek of Blackfoot meaning and that's the Blackfoot just for 196 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of context, or are an indigenous people. 197 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: I think confederation is how they tend to refer to 198 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: themselves in like Montana, I think Idaho. Um yeah, up 199 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: in Canada. Yeah, I kind of like Idaho, Montana and 200 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: parts of Canada, um like that's that's Blackfoot territory. They 201 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: were also Maslow spent time with them. L Run Hubbard 202 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: lied about having spent a lot of time with the Blackfoot. 203 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: So I didn't know that. I don't. Oh yes, there's 204 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of scientology law if you have to catch 205 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: up one yeah, but um yeah. So you know, with 206 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: Maslow's model, self auctionalization is essentially you know, self fulfillment, right, 207 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: the tendency for the individual to become more and more 208 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: what one is and to become everything that one is 209 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: capable of becoming. So I like fulfilling your potential as 210 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: a person, as a partner, as a parent, as a talent, 211 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: as a artist, as a whatever, just fulfilling your potential 212 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: as a person. Right. But to say that we are 213 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: born self actualized, um, that framing will looks too seeing 214 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: us each as born in the world with a spark 215 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: of divinity, because of course this is tied into their spirituality. Um, 216 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: born for the spark of divinity and with a great 217 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: purpose embedded in us. And what self actualization is linked 218 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: to in these cultures inextricably linked to that is is 219 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: community actualization. Right. So community actualization is a concept that 220 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: places the actualized individual in the context of community. So 221 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: instead of just upholding the individual alone, which Maslow's hierarchy 222 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: has been critiqued for sort of doing, community actualization incorporates 223 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: the web of relationships that supports each of us as individuals. Basically, 224 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: it recognizes that we cannot be self actualized solely as 225 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: individuals if there's not like a broader network over at, 226 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: a web that is supports us. You know, we're not 227 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: islands standing alone, you know, yeah, yeah, we were. We were. 228 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: We were touching on on on that point a bit 229 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: a bit previous, but less eloquently. Um, how yeah, it is, 230 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: it is. It's it's it's much easier to have the 231 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: ability to actualize your goals into into actions when you 232 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: are less alienated and you have and you have all 233 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: these other things around around a community. Yeah, exactly. It 234 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: is that. I think, like the lack of community self 235 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: actualization is kind of what we were talking about in 236 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: terms of like, yeah, things are seeing things are great 237 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: for me inasmuch as things are great, you know in 238 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: the system we live in, but I I don't feel that, 239 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you can look outside and you're everything 240 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: is actually really bad. I'm just kind of in my 241 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: little bubble and I'm trying to expand my bubble to 242 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: be around, you know, and to help more people. But 243 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: it can be overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, I mean, it's only 244 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: so much one person could do. And that's kind of 245 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: the hoole point of community, right Our community supports our 246 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: basic needs and basically equips us to manifest our poopous 247 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: So it's a community would be there too, for example, 248 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and we can get into this a bit more designer 249 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: model of education that supports us in expressing all unique gifts. 250 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Right now, the part of the six scot philosophy involves 251 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: cultural perpetuity, where there's an important consideration of those who 252 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: came before and those who are coming after seven generations 253 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: forward and seven generations backward. As I had it explain 254 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: to me too, that is something that I think it 255 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: would have been useful when it came to discussions of, 256 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: um you, climate change. And it's very relevant now because 257 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: we are seeing the older generations basically struggling and being like, 258 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, um well it's jen Z's problem. Now you 259 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: could take care of it. You're in the future kids, 260 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: all right, well that yeah, when they're basically on the 261 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: download saying fuck them kids. You know, yeah, but can 262 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: I say that or yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can 263 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: always say the kids. I say that to Garrison all 264 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: the time without all right yeah yeah. But speaking of kids, um, 265 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: I think we could compare and contrast basically how childhood 266 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: is approached in our society versus how it would be 267 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: approached in society that values community actualization. UM. I mean, 268 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just speaking from my experience here. Of course 269 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: you're a free talk about your own um I from 270 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: like primary school and stuff. I remember it's constantly feeling 271 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: like I had to compete with my fellow um classmates. 272 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was friendly and stuff with 273 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: everybody and stuff, but since I was like usually at 274 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: or close to the top of my class, I always 275 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: felt this kind of pressure to just beat them out 276 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: and continue to be the best gifted kid ever. You know. 277 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: So there was a sense of like constant competition with 278 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: others that wasn't really balanced out with a kind of 279 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: um collaborative sort of approach to like basically trading us 280 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: from like an early age to learn to cooperate and 281 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: work with people as people and as comrades, you know, 282 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: although comrade is a way way to put it. But yeah, 283 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: I just remember there was a sort of sense of 284 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: sort of atomization that's undercooded. That's sorts of educational approach. 285 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: I I feel like that's pretty uh universal in a 286 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of parts of our modern world. 287 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: We definitely really embed that sense of competition into very 288 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: young kids, of whether that being in school or like wherever. 289 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Because yeah, that was that was definitely my experience, even 290 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: even like in private school in Canada a long time ago. 291 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: And I know that's that's the thing across you know, 292 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: across out the ocean as well. On on the other 293 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: side of the pond. Yeah, we are back. That doesn't 294 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: sound like us are we are? We really back. Sorry, 295 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: it's and a m um all right. So when we're 296 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: to look at like childhood and education and stuff in 297 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: society there would value community actualization. Um, what sort of 298 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: things do you guys think who would be seeing in 299 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: that sort of society. What sort of approaches do you 300 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: think would be embedded from an early age. I'm trying 301 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: to put it into words, so kind of one of 302 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: the things I'm I'm currently in a living situation right 303 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: where I have. I'm working with a group of people 304 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: on a chunk of land and so every week we 305 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: do projects on it to make it better, um, which 306 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: is tremendously satisfying. And I think in a in a 307 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: society where that kind of self actualization like you've been 308 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: talking about was more common, kids would feel that way 309 00:20:54,560 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: about doing things, um that improve their community like that, 310 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: that that take care of the people around them, that 311 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: make you know, wherever they live a better place to live, 312 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: Like that would be. That would be in the same 313 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: way that like I go out each weekend thinking that 314 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: will be a fun thing to do to like to 315 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: improve the place that I'm living. I think that would 316 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: be kind of, um a common feeling like that would 317 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: be a common activity as a kid to go engage 318 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: in projects like that. Yeah, and I mean we already 319 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: see children doing that, right except they do it in minecraft. Yes, yeah, 320 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean like the impulse is being directed somewhere currently. 321 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: This isn't a thing you have to This isn't a 322 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: thing you have to like splice into kids little brains 323 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: to make them want to do it. Kids love making 324 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: ship exactly. Like if you give a child and opportunity 325 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: and sort of facility that like, they a very a 326 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: lot of them. I can't really generalize because I know 327 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: some kids were like you do what you had to do. 328 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I want to see in my corner. But there a 329 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: lot of kids as well who would be like very 330 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: very willing to be helpful, you know, they really like 331 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: they just a door being a helper and being someone 332 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: who can support, whether it be in the kitchen, you know, 333 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: with like a little broom or whatever, sweeping, whatever the 334 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: case may be. So some my kids don't want to 335 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: be parts of a community, you know, because we are 336 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: social animals. Um, it's just that right now, it is 337 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: directed at like Minecraft, supers or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I 338 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: think one of the things that I would really focus on, 339 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: because this is just kind of in my experience, is 340 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: teaching young kids how to cook, um and then having 341 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: them cook or at least help cook food for other people. 342 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: I think it's a really great kind of skill to learn. 343 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: But also it it does this weird thing to your 344 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: brain when you do that. It's like you you get 345 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: very happy when you cook food for for other people. 346 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's a really good kind of 347 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: emotional impulse to give kids. It's like, hey, this is 348 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: you can make people feel good by doing things for them, um. 349 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: And because that makes you feel good and it makes 350 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: them feel good, and then that really builds that whole 351 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: sense of community. So yeah, yeah, yeah, some kids could 352 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: be a man like but like both self lessness, but 353 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: it also teaches you to like do stuff for yourself 354 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: as well. Right, It's a good skill to be self 355 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: also be self sustaining. So I think that's that's why 356 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: I really enjoy teaching kids cooking. Um. I used to 357 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: I I used to be a culinary instructor because I'm 358 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: really just passionate about that specific thing. Yeah, I mean 359 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: for me perasonally, Um, I develop an aneurism whenever anyone's 360 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: in the kitchen with me. Yes, there is definitely moments 361 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: where if there's too many people in a kitchen, that 362 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: is frustrating. But if if you do it right, you 363 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: can get you can get a thirteen year old cooking 364 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: you an entire like really really nice holiday dinner. Um, 365 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: which is which is what I was when I was thirteen, 366 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: I was cooking all of the holiday dinners for my 367 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: entire family, um, because I just I wanted to learn cooking. 368 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely possible if you're a parent and 369 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: you want less time in the kitchen. Uh, teacher kid 370 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: how to cook? Yeah, I mean I come from a 371 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: family of child cooks, right. I remember, Um this one 372 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: time I think I was making like a card cake 373 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: with my mom. Um. But I was used to like 374 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: licking my fingers when you know you make that cookie 375 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: cookie dough and stuff. But I licked my fingers when 376 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: the when I cracked the egg acts like stuff. You 377 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: can't do that, you know. So I just remember that 378 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: was one of the experiences in the kitchen. It really 379 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: stood out to me. Lessons lessons will be learned about 380 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: like bacteria. Yeah, you know, it'sience. Knives, you get to 381 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: get to learn how to use knives, get to learn 382 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: about heat. You know, there's a lot, a lot of 383 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: a lot of good lessons you can learn inside. I 384 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: get firing safety, chemistry, you know, bunch of stuff well 385 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: mixed in there. You know, even math, even absolutely fractions. 386 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: It's one of the only times I use fractions is 387 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: in cooking and baking. Yeah, I mean, as embarrassing as 388 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: it is, I use Google when I want to confut 389 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: measurements still, but I mean it's just there. It's more convenient. 390 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I absolutely agree that example, you know, like 391 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: the use of like cooking lessons and that sort of 392 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: thing too. Support um to support like kids self actualization. 393 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: I also the community actualization because of my experience, and 394 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: the thing I default too is different versions of like 395 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: the youth liberation argument. But because of how people have 396 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: been using that term on Twitter right now, I don't 397 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about it because it's been causing a 398 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: lot of like really dumb fighting about what that term 399 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: actually means and who coined it and like that kind 400 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: of stuff. But that's kind of where I default too, 401 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: in terms of like what self actualization could be in 402 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: a community setting. Youth liberation is one of those things 403 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: that I'm really passionate about UM and I honestly don't 404 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: know who coined it or what discourses happening about it 405 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: right now, but it definitely informs my approach and ends 406 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: up influencing like a lot of the things that I discuss, 407 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: Like when if I talk about like an issue or 408 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: whatever UM in society, a lot of times it really 409 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: boils down or starts from an early age, it starts 410 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: through the education system, or it's faster there or incubated there. 411 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: So I think, UM, a lot more discussion should be 412 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: happening about, you know, the place of young people and 413 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: the education system and stuff UM, alongside of course all 414 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: the other struggles and discussions and discourses about struggles we've 415 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: been happen. Yeah, I'm just trying to view like anarchistic 416 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: like liberatory frameworks is like trying to achieve that self 417 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: actualization and to some degree like the the like a 418 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: steam level, and then also like the community and belonging level. UM, 419 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: even if you don't have all of your physical needs 420 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: met all the time. Is how these types of frameworks 421 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: can be can almost just like jump around that and 422 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: be like, despite me not having all of these base 423 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: needs met, if I if I have like a radical 424 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: model of the world, I can still try to achieve 425 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: that type of freedom because I can work outside the 426 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: box to get it. Um. Yeah, and I think that 427 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: that that's kind of what I was I was trying 428 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: to get at is at least on you know, like 429 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: a like a like whether it be like a youth 430 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: lib framework or just see like general like radical anarchism 431 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, And I mean parts of thinking outside 432 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: the box involves, you know, looking at other people who 433 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: of thought outside of the box, who have reinvented and 434 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: reconsidered and sort of transformed their approach to things like 435 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: education and child care and really all the aspects of 436 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: society that we take for granted as you know, just 437 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: being a certain way. You know, um, when we talk 438 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: about things like education and childhood in the place that 439 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: plays and community actualization, I seem to think a lot about, 440 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, all the things we can do to not 441 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: fit into cap into capitalist smooths. You know, it's really 442 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: facilitate folks potential, not just really cooking classes for example, 443 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: but even through you know, workshops and field trips. I 444 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: mean field trips. Now we're just kind of like this 445 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: saying that you know, kids go to from time to 446 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: time and they have to walk in a single fireline 447 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: and all these different things. But what I envision when 448 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I think of, you know, learning, is something walk into 449 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: like less restrict action to just the four walls of 450 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: a classroom and more the whole world is your classroom. 451 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: You know, the whole world is a place where you know, 452 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: you can explore, and you can room and you can 453 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: develop yourself. You know, without all these barriers and controls 454 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: we place on kids end up suffocating their imagination of 455 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: what things can be. And I mean when you have 456 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: that sort of educational model where you know, the youth 457 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: are able to explore different avenues and direct their own 458 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: education routes, you know, you also end up which is 459 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: what has happened in education models that we've seen throughout 460 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: many different cultures of the world. You see that it 461 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: facilitates relationships with the community members, right, and everybody benefits 462 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: because you have for example, becausen't exactly something like apprenticeships, 463 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: and you have you know, for example, people getting support 464 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: from the kids in the kitchen or you know, in 465 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: the workshop or in library or whatever the case may be. 466 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: And not only the kids about paying their skills, but 467 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: they're also developing relationships with different members of the community 468 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: with different backgrounds, with different experiences, and it released serves 469 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: almost as I see it as a way to God 470 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: against UM this sort of style of parenting where that 471 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: we kind of seeing popularized lately, where like the child 472 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: is basically the exclusive property of the parents and you 473 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: can't tell anybody how to raise their child and the 474 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: parent always knows best, and that kind of approach. I 475 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: think it's a good and to do to that because 476 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: the child being exposed to a lot more of life 477 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: and of people. UM. I think that to me, UM 478 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: is the sort of youth liberation route that I see developing. 479 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: It requires, of course transmission, but you know, no proposalar 480 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: to be approach and isolation. Yeah, and it's it's easier 481 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: to achieve when you're around other right, It's it's easy 482 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: to one if if you are already in a community 483 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: where these things can be fostered, then it's a lot 484 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot less of a lofty goal. Yeah, 485 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's a kind of interesting I don't 486 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: know if case studies the right word, but there's part 487 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: of Italy that had a really really long running like 488 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: anarchis education experiments, and so they're basically able to sort 489 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: of refund local school systems and it worked. But you know, 490 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: and they produced a bunch of really good schools, and 491 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, the schools are based in sort of like 492 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: cooperative learning etcetera, etcetera. And you know, I mean the 493 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: model still exists today, but and you know, it's like, yeah, 494 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: they made some of the best schools in Europe, but 495 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: the society around them didn't change. And so sort of bizarrely, 496 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: they ended up making these schools that like produced you know, 497 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: they're they're very good schools. They produced extremely good students, 498 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: but then they also like produced an extremely you know, 499 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: well educated and good like capitalist contree basically. And so 500 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: I think I think there's a sort of you know, 501 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: if if you go back to sort of the community 502 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: aspect of this is like, yeah, there's there's a set 503 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: to which even even if you have you know, you 504 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: get some form of self actualization, you get some form 505 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: of sort of you know, community and cooperative like education 506 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: for children and stuff like that. The whole society has 507 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: to move with it or otherwise you just wind up 508 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: sort of feeding the beast more effectively. Yeah, yeah, I 509 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: mean that is that you you also see that kind 510 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: of problem with like the we work guys, right, the 511 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: Adam Newman and and and h the two co founders 512 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: of that came out of Adam's case at kibbutz in Israel, 513 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: which you know, started with from kind of socialist foundations, 514 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: and the other founder had grown up in like a 515 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: commune in rural or again. Uh, and they both wound 516 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: up making like this ultra capitalist real estate company. So yeah, 517 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: if you it's it's you know, there's a lot that's said, 518 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: and there's there's a lot of value and kind of 519 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 1: like carving out sections of culture for the things you 520 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: believe in to try to um get shelter from the storm. 521 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, as you were kind of noting, Chris, um, 522 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: it does it does also just wind up kind of 523 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: reinforcing the dominant social system. Um. If there's not a 524 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: kind of more basic upheaval of the way things work. Yeah, 525 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: if there's no you know, political philosophy and your goodness 526 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: and there's no connection with you know, broader social movements 527 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: and sort of confederation with other projects. You know, it 528 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: could very easily be coopted you know in isolation. Yeah, 529 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess that's you know, like that. That's 530 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: what happened to self actualization as a concept for the 531 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: most part, is that it got taken over by kind 532 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: of weird grifters and yeah, like self care, yeah yeah, 533 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: and take these concepts and just sort of twisted and 534 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: transforming into um, you know, capitalists hands it's even something 535 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: like um like with There's been some interesting discussions happening 536 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: surrounding like luxury and what luxury means around sitting within 537 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: certain circles on Twitter UM and Kim UM. Kimberly Foster 538 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: from for Harriet Excellent YouTube channel UM. She mentioned that 539 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: to who at least in this long but really good 540 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: video she spoke about how luxurad to WHO is basically UM, 541 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, finding the ability to rest where you need 542 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: to rest and to be able to be supported UM. 543 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: Whereas luxury now but luxury as quite popular understanding, it 544 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: is more so about consumption and consumerism. So even when 545 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: you have something where like and this is specific to UM, 546 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: the black experience of course, because for a long time. 547 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: You know, black women have been expected to, like um, 548 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: toil and labor and support not only the communities, but 549 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: also you know, draineer slavery also you know, their white 550 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: masters and that kind of thing. Um. There's there was 551 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: a push for the Black Women Luxury movement to sort 552 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: of reclaim you know, a space for black women to 553 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: just be able to enjoy themselves and you know, be themselves. 554 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: But that quickly became something it's just like, you know, 555 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: just get the bag um, just the sort of hyper capitalists, 556 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: hyper consumerist, bougie kind of approach to luxury, where the 557 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: original route to the movement, which was about finding rest, 558 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: was sort of lost. And I mean that's a bit 559 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: of a tangent, so I'll try to connect that back 560 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: to what we're saying. Um. I think when it comes 561 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: to things like rest and the ability to rest, um, 562 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: I think that that's can only really be found in community. 563 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: And if there is a lack of communit community support 564 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: to you know, pick up the slack when you need 565 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: to rest and you need to revive yourself and you 566 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: just need to recharge. Um. Barring that, of course, resheople 567 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: can pay for a sort of a full community in 568 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: a sense of having you know, nannies and maids and 569 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: butlers and tutors and all these people to basically support 570 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: their life styles and support there freedom. But well people 571 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: lack that. And so I think actualization as you're mentioning, UM, 572 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: it's ability to rest, and I see that as linked 573 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: with community. Yeah, I think that definitely ties into our 574 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: recent discussions on anti work and how anti work is 575 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot more feasible if you are in a community 576 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: support like network and right, and you have people to 577 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: rely on UM and definitely, like you know, self actualization 578 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: as the ability to like to just rest when you 579 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: want to, it's a very uh, it's very powerful thing 580 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: and very enticing, and that definitely plays into the whole 581 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: like anti work, like UM idea, I guess yeah, I mean, 582 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: so can I the anti work thing to just general 583 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, unonization and striking efforts? Right? Like I was 584 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: seeing people are calling for a general strike the other day, 585 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: um as if we haven't learned a lesson, But they 586 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: were calling for that, but what they were not realizing 587 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: was that without these structures in place to support striking efforts, 588 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be enough. You know, if people cannot 589 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: support themselves and their families. The strike cannot last. You know, 590 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: it's only with this community and the community coming together 591 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: to support people can they you know, not just fight 592 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: for the rights in the striking and unization context, but 593 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: also you know, to be able to find leisure, to 594 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: find rest, as with the anti work discussion, and so 595 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: sort of turn this to a discussion on organizing more generally. Um. 596 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, we are, at the end of the day, 597 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: a very communal ape and if we were to just 598 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: focus on ourselves as individuals, um, I think as capitalism, 599 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: in its anti social nature expects us to, I think 600 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: we would all suffer as a result. You know, our 601 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: goal as people, as any one person, should be not 602 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: just to you know, ourselves, but also to enrich the 603 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: worlds of those around us and to cultivate the community 604 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: that as we support, they you know, will support us. 605 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: And I mean as we prefigure this sort of you know, 606 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: culture of support, of you know, care and of empathy 607 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. Um, I think organizing efforts 608 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: would as a results be a lot more powerful, be 609 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot more potent um, be a lot more enriching, 610 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: and a lot more imaginative. So unless any any of 611 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: you have anything else to see, um, to sort of 612 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: bring this to a close, Um, I just want to 613 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: leave um, leave us with some food for thought in 614 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: terms of how we can incorporate community actualization in action, 615 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: right Because it's one thing to say I will be 616 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: wonderful to have a community to support to you in 617 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: account thing. But you know, um, how do people are 618 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: pretty isolated and stuff right now? Um? So I guess 619 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: I actually put it into sort of five stage kind 620 00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: of approach, starting with firstly facilitating collect to prolonging among 621 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: diverse groups. Right, so we want to look at bringing 622 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: people together. Obviously they would have different backgrounds and different needs, 623 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: different ones, different personalities. But bring people together, um, whether 624 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: it be at work or on the block, or at 625 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: school or whatever the case. We just for a cook 626 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: coote or for align or any kind of party or interaction. Obviously, 627 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: depending on where you are that that may not be 628 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: the safest thing to do, um, considering COVID and everything. 629 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: But just bring people together. Not even necessary to proselytize 630 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: them about anarchism or socialism or whatever. But at the 631 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: very least start connecting the nodes and start connecting the 632 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: different parts that can eventually come together to become something greater, 633 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you don't need to wait for 634 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: a calamity. That's one thing to happen. But of course 635 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: we have seen as well where natural disasters have broad 636 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: communities together that wouldn't say it before. Um, I think, however, 637 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: it would be better to like not wait for that 638 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: kind of thing to happen and to just you know, 639 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: bringing people together from now start some conversations, get things 640 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: going right, and then from there you want to be 641 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: facilitating solidarity in struggle. Right, So whether it be in 642 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: the solidarity is a bit of a buzz would now 643 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: or at least it become a buzz would. But I 644 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: think whether it be with disasterly funds or solarity strikes 645 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: and protests, or you know, with basic mutually support, you know, 646 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: whether it's material or emotional solidarity in struggle, I think 647 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: that is another crucial part in you know, building community 648 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: and incorporating eventually community actualization, because what that does is 649 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: it shows others that I have your back, and you know, 650 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: others able to see that you know they can have 651 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: mine as well. Um. It helps to build that sense 652 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: of trust. You also want to sort of cultivated probably 653 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: a sense of community pride and a sense of being 654 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: able to rely on community networks. You know, we spoke 655 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: about mutulate networks, but also things like UM skill shares 656 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: or workshops, so UM material support. You know, if somebody 657 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: needs food, being able to support for them, to know 658 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: that they have people they can go to to support 659 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: them in their time of need, that is powerful. You know. 660 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: Not many people forget that. Not many people forget the 661 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: time that they were at their most dire point and 662 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: you know the community stepped up to support them. You know, 663 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: if you want to see UH in direction in our lifetimes, UM, 664 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: you don't start guns blazing. You know, you start with 665 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: a creative food, You start with a help in hand, 666 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: You start with money if people need it UM and 667 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: then from there, you know, you get into the realm 668 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: of community achievements where your community is collectively able to 669 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: celebrate the things that we have accomplished together. You know, 670 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: whether it be establishing community garden that is able to 671 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: supplement people's UM fresh protry supply, or whether it be 672 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: that you know, community has come together and they've fixed 673 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: something that was broken on the street, or even that 674 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: they've come together and we're able to train people with 675 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: like some really helpful skills where they're now able to 676 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: support themselves and bring other things to team as well. 677 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: And then from there, I think that sorts of approach 678 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: would foster fulfillment in community and the figures means the actualization. Yeah, 679 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: I mean, and this is this is all. It's a 680 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: big topic. Um. And it's a much bigger topic than 681 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: just like what a what do you what changes do 682 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: you want to make around the edges, like what things 683 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 1: should people advocate for or even just like advocating that 684 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: that the system be torn down, like as as was 685 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of evident when you asked, how could we build 686 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: a community in which like kids feel more self actualization 687 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: from engaging in the community. Um, And there was that 688 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: kind of blank moment, the when you actually talking talk 689 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: about like reconfiguring society at such a fundamental level. Um. 690 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: It's it's a big topic. UM. And it's it's one 691 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: that I think it's important to introduce to people the 692 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: idea like and we really have to be we really 693 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: got to figure this this out. This is this is 694 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: important to like everything we we say we believe. UM. 695 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: Answering this question is going to be key, Uh, and 696 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough one. UM. So I don't know. 697 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: I think sometimes uh people come into episodes we do 698 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: on stuff like this like looking for Okay, well, how 699 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: how are you what's your suggestion for how to do that? 700 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: And at the moment, like I agree with the how 701 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: imperative this is, um, but in terms of actionable stuff, it's, um, 702 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: this is a big open ended question in my head. 703 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think Andrew laid out a 704 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff that we've we've talked about both 705 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: like you know, with within our kind of own community 706 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: groups in terms of the things in terms of like 707 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, like connecting nodes and all like the steps 708 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: that we can do to have there be like more 709 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: like more connecting branches of the tree and how to 710 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: strengthen those. I think that it's it's a good Yeah. 711 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: It's like we can't we don't know what your community 712 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: is like or what your what your situation is. All 713 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: we can really say is here's the broad things that 714 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: that you can try or have worked for other people 715 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: in the past, and then based on what your situation is, 716 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: you can can apply those pluglables. Yeah, st Andrew, Yes, 717 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: of course, Um, well, you can follow me on Twitter 718 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,280 Speaker 1: at a discore scene. True and of course on YouTube 719 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: seeming andreids. Um check my stuff. 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