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Speaker 1: Let's get more updates and developments into one of these

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Speaker 1: major stories we were following today.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't heard by now, this is what we know.

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Speaker 2: Two properties belonging to the rapper Sean Diddy Cummbs. We

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Speaker 2: are losing our germs, we are losing our jurors. I

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Speaker 2: look over there at them, and they are trying their best.

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Speaker 2: They are trying their artists. Often they are taking notes,

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Speaker 2: but other times they have just tuned out.

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Speaker 3: Today we have Megan Qunif aka Megan the reporter who

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Speaker 3: became the main person covering the Tory laz trial directly

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Speaker 3: from the LA Courthouse now.

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Speaker 4: In Hollywood and some celebrity drama that has now led

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Speaker 4: to millions of tweets and getting lots of attention this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Joining us live now is our legal affairs journalist, Megan Qniff.

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Speaker 3: TMZ is strong out in LA.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, Herbie Weinstein is powerful, but he wasn't

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Speaker 1: nearly as famous as did has that fame that I'm like,

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Speaker 1: when's the last time there was a criminal investigation into

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Speaker 1: an entertainer like this?

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Speaker 3: I mean, because even though they signed the NDA, it

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Speaker 3: just seems like it's null and void. It's like people

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Speaker 3: don't they sign it and it doesn't mean nothing in

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Speaker 3: a couple of years, like who cares I signed the

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Speaker 3: DA Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There was an example of that with Stormy Daniels and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: About Gunner's plea, what do you have about that?

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Speaker 1: I kind of think the defense could call him as

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Speaker 1: their own witness because they could go over the same

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Speaker 1: that he had all these different reasons for pleading guilty

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Speaker 3: That is a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: Want, though I bet he doesn't testify it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a good conversation. Can Gunner redeem hisself

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Speaker 3: I am your host for another episode of the Fashion

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Speaker 3: Going podcast on the market right now. Listen for everyone

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Speaker 3: that's out in the culture, I know you see all

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Speaker 3: of these things happening. There's a lot going on. Ins

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Speaker 3: and outs have not been explained to us in a

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Speaker 3: way that's digestible. So today I got someone that I

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Speaker 3: what is going on. I have Meghan kind of how

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Speaker 3: are you doing today? Good?

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Speaker 1: Good, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: No problem, no problem. I actually when I reached out

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Speaker 3: to you and I was gonna talk to you, I

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Speaker 3: was gonna really talk about thugs trial a lot, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna still get into it. But the

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Speaker 3: Diddy thing happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that is big. That's just been dominating everything

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Speaker 3: Yes, how will you about what's going on? And for

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Speaker 3: anyone that's catching it's not sure when you'll catch this.

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Speaker 3: But we're in the early stages of rapper mogul ceo

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Speaker 3: What's your feelings on it? What do you have information updates,

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Speaker 1: You'll think, yeah, obviously this is a really big deal.

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Speaker 3: definitely gonna happen. Now. I do think media is broken

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely like, you know, paying attention and exposed

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So much of it is just speculation and gossip,

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Speaker 3: Do have you heard of anything about Diddy or Diddy

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump had that whole non disclosure agreement where

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00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: she was gonna talk about their affair, and I think

434
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: that all went out the window. Yes, but there's like

435
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: any consequences to her doing that, or maybe you know

436
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: if there should be, It's just I don't know. It's like,

437
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: especially when you get into the world of how how

438
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: much money did he has? Because as as bad as

439
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: his those lawsuits were, it was like other than just

440
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: reputational ruin, like, what are the consequences for him this?

441
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean financially he was losing business and that kind

442
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: of thing, but like it wasn't It's not like he

443
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: was at risk of being homeless or something. It was

444
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: always just like the only real consequences, it seems like,

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: could be criminal And now we have that.

446
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I wonder because I also think that

447
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: the government takes personal that they keep trying to present

448
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: it like they're doing this for no reason, like they're

449
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: they're bothering us for no reason. It's like someone in

450
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 3: the office is saying, bro, this isn't for no reason.

451
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: Exactly, and unfortunately we don't have access to this and

452
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: we probably won't for maybe ever. But they had to

453
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: have like affidavits to support the search warrants, and they

454
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what those affidavits say, but it's

455
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: they had to show some judge that there was probable

456
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: to believe a crime was committed and that there was

457
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: reason to believe they could get information from the homes.

458
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: And then another thing to remember is the reason we

459
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: know about those search warrants is because it was like

460
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: a huge military style raid and there were like TV

461
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: helicopters doing the whole thing. But they could also serve

462
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: search warrants for like his bank accounts, his email accounts

463
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: and all that stuff too, like Yahoo dot com or

464
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: Google and everything. They could get all that stuff, and

465
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: we're not ever going to hear about it unless less did.

466
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: He's PR team decides to issue a press release about

467
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: the military style raid on their Yahoo account.

468
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: Do we know if they if they took anything out

469
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: of the properties of any of those homes.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean they had to have and actually I haven't

471
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: looked at the footage enough to see if there was

472
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: footage of people taking stuff out of there, But freaking

473
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: hope so those if those TV cameras were doing their jobs,

474
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: they should have just stayed up there all night and

475
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: hopefully we see stuff like that, because I've seen the

476
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: footage of the Suns being detained and them like going

477
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: in there with all the guns. I mean, the cops

478
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: really are I think, kind of out of control in

479
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: this country. I think did he searches the wrong one

480
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: for everyone to like get outraged about and be like

481
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: the military style. I mean, there's way worse things that

482
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: happen with the militarization of police, but it is just

483
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to see see that footage. But I

484
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen any footage of them bringing stuff out of there,

485
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: but I'd be shocked if they didn't take a.

486
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: Bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah, me too. And also I'll

487
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: be shocked if that's why I'm saying, I think Diddy's

488
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 3: in a very slippery place, you know, because now you

489
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: know this is my opinion. With a house that big,

490
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some secret departments and panic rooms and

491
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: things like that. I'm also sure that on his phone

492
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: and certain electronic devices that everything is just not crispy

493
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: clean Oh yeah.

494
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: They are interesting to see how complicated it must be

495
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: in all the different areas because this is homeland security

496
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: and sex traffic and investigation. But they also have to

497
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: have some cyber experts on it, because I mean the

498
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: idea that did he just has like Ayahu account that

499
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: he uses or something, you know, it's like, no, this

500
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: is way different than that. And if somebody has like

501
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: their own email server set up, how do you get

502
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: a search warrant for that? You know, I don't even know.

503
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: There's there's gotta be a way, but there's there's probably

504
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff going on that we're not We

505
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: don't know, right, he reported. They have, you know, anonymous

506
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: sources saying that some some of his businesses have started

507
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: to get subpoenas where they're required to hand over documents

508
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: right US Money's office. So I'm like, yeah, this is

509
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: getting pretty serious. And the I's never going to get charged.

510
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he does a huge fuck up by

511
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: the investigator.

512
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he'll be charged at some point, even

513
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: if you know, the Hamma doesn't come down in regards

514
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: to prison. But I do believe he'll be charged at

515
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: some point. It's too much in on it. It's just

516
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: it's too much, too much going on, you know, yeah,

517
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: different addictions and things like that. No, they're coming, you know,

518
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: and I think he knows they're coming. And the drug mule?

519
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: Got how do you label someone a drug mule? What

520
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean, have we Well?

521
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: And that's another thing where didn't that alligate? Doesn't that

522
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: come from the Rodney Jones lawsuit, Which that's a lawsuit

523
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, there's a lot of stuff in

524
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: here that I mean is claim yeah, but then there's

525
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in here that's just kind of

526
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: thrown in there, and like people are threatened to assume

527
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: him for defamation and stuff. So but then, I mean,

528
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: he was arrested at the airport with drugs, like going

529
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: into Ditty's jets. So I'm like it's kind of some

530
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: confirmation here. But that, to me, it was like the

531
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: biggest sign that they are definitely watching him. Like they

532
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: have no authority to arrest him right now or stop

533
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: his movement, but they're they're keeping a close eye on him.

534
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: They own him. Man, if he wasn't worth the amount

535
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: of money he's worth, he would be probably in jail

536
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: already or or at least arrested at this point. It's

537
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: just they have to make sure we do this one right.

538
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: He's just worth a lot of money. This can go left.

539
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: So But but you know, I was interested in the

540
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: labeling of drug mule, Like you said, maybe that comes

541
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: out of the lawsuit, But has that solidified to now

542
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: just be thrown around like Diddy's rolling around with a

543
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: drug mule and sex workers. It's just it's getting nasty. Man.

544
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there is just like so much to his

545
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: background that I wasn't even really really aware of. I mean,

546
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: just the stuff that people have been bringing up. Like

547
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: there's that video of Justin Bieber when he was like twelve,

548
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: like hanging out with him. He's like gonna drive Ditty's

549
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: cars for the day and stuff, and it's just like

550
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: there's just so much stuff people are bringing up now

551
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: that you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty. But you're like,

552
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: all this stuff is just kind of weird. But no

553
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: celebrity life, I guess.

554
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: How would you How do you find that kind of stuff?

555
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I know about everything because I'm I grew

556
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: up in it, right, But how does someone from outside

557
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: of this and from a journalistic standpoint, how do you

558
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: find that stuff?

559
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: It's hard to know what's real and what's not, Like

560
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: what's just a coordinated PR stunt because everything is so manufactured,

561
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: and what what it's actually like in real life? You know,

562
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: when the cameras are off, what are they actually doing?

563
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Kind of thing? For me, it's hard to distinguish that,

564
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: And it's hard not to think that when the cameras

565
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: are on, the stuff that we're seeing is just fake

566
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: and staged. You know that that's what That's how I see.

567
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: It right right right now? What do you what do

568
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: we know if anything about the drug mule? His name

569
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: is what I think his name was.

570
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Brendan Brendan Paul Syracuse or something, stories about like who

571
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: is this like ex Syracuse University basketball player who's now

572
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with with Diddy. But they, you know, a

573
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: big company like that, I mean, how do how do

574
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: they even hire employees like put up like Craigslist ads?

575
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, we don't know that much about him.

576
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: And it looks like because I was looking in federal court,

577
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I think because it's Florida, they have really good public records,

578
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: so I actually should be able to just go into

579
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: the arrest, like find the agency that arrested them, and

580
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: you can usually get his mug shot. We've seen the

581
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: body camera footage from when he was arrested. I think

582
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff should be releasable. It's just the bigger

583
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: question of like is this going to be tied into Diddy?

584
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: And as people are speculating, like is he gonna give

585
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: the cops information on Ditty? You know, we just don't know.

586
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean, for them to have an arrest with him

587
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: with drugs and I knowed helps this overall case that

588
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: they're doing. I know they're saying, all right, we got

589
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: one piece of this for sure locked in in regards

590
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: to call them with drugs with Diddy, there's no it's

591
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: kind of hard to wig a lout of that one,

592
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: you know.

593
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure for sure. And and the

594
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: idea with it being a federal investigation, it's like we

595
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: do see leaks sometimes from federal investigations, but a lot

596
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: of the times it's like when it's a political case,

597
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: like something involving Trump or something, somebody will be able

598
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: to get some kind of leak, and it's somebody within

599
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice or something who's like you know,

600
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: thinks they're they're trying to save the country and do

601
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: something good here. But with it just being a celebrity,

602
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: it's like we don't really have the political aspect it's

603
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna like drive some real investigative reporting on it, So

604
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: we might just be kind of screwed for a lot.

605
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: I wonder how did he can try to add that in,

606
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: because he's gonna have to add something in this formula

607
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: just to keep saying that they're messing with me. That's

608
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: not gonna You're gonna have to add some Trumpsism into

609
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: this some kind of way and grab hold to something

610
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: out out there and make make your case or get

611
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Speaker 3: get back to the show. Drug mule, like you said,

626
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: maybe that comes out of the lawsuit, but has that

627
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: solidified to now just be thrown around like Diddy's rolling

628
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: around with a drug mule and sex workers. It's just

629
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: it's getting nasty.

630
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Man.

631
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

632
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is just like so much of his background

633
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: that I wasn't even really really aware of. I mean,

634
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: just the stuff that people have been bringing up. Like

635
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: there's that video of Justin Bieber when he was like twelve,

636
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: like hanging out with him. He's like gonna drive Ditty's

637
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: cars for the day and stuff, and it's just like

638
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: there's just so much stuff people are bringing up now

639
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: that you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty. But you're like,

640
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: all this stuff is just kind of weird. But no

641
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: celebrity life.

642
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: I guess, how would you how do you find that

643
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: kind of stuff? I mean, I know about everything because

644
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm I grew up in it, right, But how does

645
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: someone from outside of uh this and from a journalistic standpoint,

646
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: how do you find that stuff?

647
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to know what's real and what's not, Like

648
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: what's just a coordinated PR stunt because everything is so manufactured,

649
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: and what what it's actually like in real life? You know,

650
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: when the cameras are off, what are they actually doing?

651
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Kind of thing? For me, it's hard to distinguish that

652
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: And it's hard not to think that when the cameras

653
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: are on, the stuff that we're seeing is just fake

654
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: and staged. You know that that's what That's how I see.

655
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: It right right right now? What do you what do

656
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: we know if anything about the drug mule? His name

657
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: is what I think his name was.

658
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Brendan Brendan Paul Syracuse or something. Yes, stories about like

659
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: who is this like ex Syracuse University basketball player who's

660
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: now hanging out with Diddy? But they, you know, a

661
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: big company like that, I mean, how do they even

662
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: hire employees like put up like Craigslist ads? You know, Yeah,

663
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: we don't know that much about him and looks like

664
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: because I was looking in federal court, I think because

665
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: it's Florida, they have really good public records laws, so

666
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I actually should be able to just go into the arrest,

667
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: like find the agency that arrested them, and you can

668
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: usually get his mug shot. We've seen the body camera

669
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: footage from when he was arrested. I think all that

670
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: stuff should be releasable. It's just the bigger question of

671
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: like is this going to be tied into Diddy? And

672
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: as people are speculating, like is he gonna give the

673
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: cops information on Didty?

674
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: You know, we just don't know. I mean for them

675
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: to have an arrest with him with drugs, and I

676
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 3: know that helps this overall case that they're doing. I

677
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: know they're saying, all right, we got one piece of

678
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: this for sure locked in in regards to call them

679
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: with drugs with Diddy, there's no it's kind of hard

680
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: to wiggle out of that one, you know.

681
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. And the idea

682
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: with it being a federal investigation, it's like we do

683
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: see leaks sometimes from federal investigations, but a lot of

684
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: the times it's like when it's a political case, like

685
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: something involving Trump or something, somebody will be able to

686
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: get some kind of leak and it's somebody within the

687
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Department of Justice or something who's like, you know, thinks

688
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: they're trying to save the country and do something good here.

689
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: But with it just being a celebrity, it's like, we

690
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: don't really have the political aspect it's gonna like drive

691
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: some real investigative reporting on it, so we might just

692
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: be kind of screwed for a while.

693
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: I wonder how did he can try to add that in,

694
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: because he's gonna have to add something in this formula

695
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: just to keep saying that they're messing with me. That's

696
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: not gonna You're gonna have to add some Trumpism into

697
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 3: this some kind of way and grab hold to something

698
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: out out there and make make your case or get

699
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: some help. We even saw Trump get his search warned

700
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: a federal and that's pretty hard to do, you know.

701
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if Diddy can pull those strings.

702
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all this stuff, especially the new lawyer who

703
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: had his name on the statement that was released, like

704
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Dwyer. He's with a big law firm based in

705
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: LA And I was told that it's likely that Diddy

706
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: probably also has another lawyer with like a background the

707
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: same kind of background in Miami because the way the

708
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: search warrants were served, you would want to have local

709
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: council and both jurisdictions. But then he's probably going to

710
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: have a New York City lawyer take over the whole thing.

711
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: But Bobby Sternam I think is her last name, that

712
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: lawyer that he hired a couple months ago, who was

713
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: Julane Maxwell's lawyer. You know, he has to know something's coming.

714
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: And another thing is grand jury investigations is what the

715
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office does. And if they can't arrest someone

716
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: on just a complaint like information that they file themselves,

717
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: but there's a whole process for that happens after that

718
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: where they prefer to obtain an actual indictment from a

719
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: grand jury. And when someone is the target of a

720
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: grand jury investigation, they get a letter, like the US

721
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Attorney's Office has to sit up so that and those

722
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: are the kind of questions that did He's PR team

723
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: needs to be asked. It's like, so have you gotten

724
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: any target letters? But of course they're not going to

725
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: answer any questions about that. But if if there's a

726
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: target letter sent out, that's that's how you start knowing,

727
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: And then other people would be interviewed by or testify

728
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: it before a grand jury, like that's when it all

729
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: starts coming out. You know, you haven't yet.

730
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: Do you think did he should do an interview or

731
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 3: do some sort of pr run to try to clear

732
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: up anything in the public out or do you think

733
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 3: he's just remain quiet.

734
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: I think just from like a criminal defense standpoint, like

735
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: just for anybody, he should he should stay quiet. It's

736
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: not worth it right now to say anything that could

737
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: you know, just just just stay quiet about it. And

738
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I think they need he needs to realize it's like

739
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: becoming like such a bigger deal than just his reputation

740
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: is on the line. It's like, dude, you could go

741
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: to prison for a long time for this.

742
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, quiet, and we've seen what happened though. I

743
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: mean sometimes I don't know. I mean, public opinion is

744
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: starting to sway things. Man, Like I don't know how

745
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: interested I am, And just like Trump isn't quiet because

746
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: I think he understands the public opinion sways some of

747
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: these things.

748
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Well, especially in the last few years, you know, we

749
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: are seeing more like the politicalization. I mean Trump was

750
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: doing it with the Department of Justice. It's kind of

751
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: scary to think that it could start influencing it more.

752
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: But I was kind of making the case for you know,

753
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: as citizens in the United States, we should actually maybe

754
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: not want there to be leaks about this investigation, Like

755
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice people are like leaking stuff to

756
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: the New York Posts, just like the New York Post

757
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: can get clicks or something, you know, right may Yeah,

758
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: that's fairness for all.

759
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's that's unrealistic because unfortunately it's a flawed

760
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: system that we're in. I mean, we hope for the best,

761
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: but this system is already shredded. You know, people are

762
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: already giving out information and leaking prominent stuff. Like it's

763
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: it's a weird I mean, it's a weird industry.

764
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, that's for sure. I can see that.

765
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: What about I've been seeing you also covering the young

766
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: Thug trial.

767
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a and that's an interesting one because

768
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: it relates so much to tru the Trump case because

769
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: it's the same county and the same charge, and somebody

770
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: who just watches a lot of trials, I'm like, this

771
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: case is kind of screwed up, and that it's so huge.

772
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they filed something recently, the defense attorneys did

773
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: complaining that the rate they're going, with all the evidence

774
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: they still have to present, prosecutors are going to be

775
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: presenting their case into twenty twenty seven, says the longest

776
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: trial imaginable, and it just seems like really mismanaged. And

777
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: here he is being held without bail. It's like, this

778
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: is I don't know, it's it's kind of scary that

779
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: they can.

780
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: Just do that, right because in my opinion, even if

781
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: you beat this trial, let's say you beat it, they

782
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: still got six seven years out of you of your life.

783
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, seriously, seriously. And the thing that if

784
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I just mentioned to people like who lawyers around here,

785
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: that there's this trial in Atlanta that is they're expected

786
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: to go to twenty twenty seven, it's like, how are

787
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: they going to be able to keep a jury for

788
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: that long? And the idea that you know, the jury

789
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: is even going to be in place for another six

790
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: months because they've just got I think they're down to

791
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: like fifteen people and they can get down to twelve.

792
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: If they get any less than twelve, they have to

793
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: start over with a whole new jury. And it's like, yeah,

794
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: these people have been cleared for supposedly a long trial,

795
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: but you don't know what's going on in your lives.

796
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, something could happen in their lives in three

797
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: months and one has to drop out, and so the

798
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: idea that they're going to stick around for that. So

799
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: I feel like it's almost guaranteed to have a mistrial

800
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: because of that. And it's like they're just so they're

801
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: going to start over and have to do this all

802
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: over again. It's like these people are being held without bail.

803
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: These are years of their lives. They're losing.

804
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was told by someone that was involved

805
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: in it that they were offering young thug like a

806
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: life sentence something is do you is that any substantia?

807
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't heard that, but he's definitely facing

808
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: serious amount of time, like at least twenty years or

809
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: something if he's convicted. But they've given plea deals to

810
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: other people, like his friend from growing up, Tick. He's

811
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: been mentioned in some of his songs. The song You

812
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: mentions Tick Trontavius Stevens and then also Walter Murphy were

813
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: able to take plea deals for Rico conspiracy and just

814
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: get out. Both of them are out of jail and

815
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: they had to testify. So it's kind of weird that

816
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: they would take Thug's co defendant and just let him

817
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: out on probation for the next ten years, but not

818
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: give Thug the same kind of offer. But I'm assuming

819
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: that it's hard to say, and his lawyer, Brian Steele,

820
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't admit this, but I'd like to think that if

821
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: the prosecutors did offer him a plea deal where it's like,

822
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: if you just plead guilty, we'll let you out right

823
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: now and you can just be on probation for the

824
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: next ten years, he'd be kind of stupid not to

825
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: take it. So my guess is they haven't offered him

826
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: that no am to go for.

827
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they're telling me from the inside of it,

828
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: Like some of the guys is actually in the indictment

829
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: is saying, man, they're not offering anything that makes sense

830
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: for him to take.

831
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's and it's bullshit how they're using his

832
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: lyrics too, because I hate to say that there's just

833
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: no case against them, because when you read through the

834
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: whole indictment, it's like all these murders and stuff, it

835
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: seems like kind of serious, but there's just so much

836
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't need to be in there, Like the

837
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: last four months of the trial. It's where like all

838
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: the stuff from twenty thirteen that they're talking about. It

839
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: seems why don't they just cut it out?

840
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: You know, let's talk about that. Like I was, I

841
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: was looking at it a couple last the last few days.

842
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: You got to take to Quinn Bean what about what

843
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: was his first name?

844
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: With Adrian Bean?

845
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, that witness was up there. I was like, yo,

846
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: what is this man?

847
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you see? Shannon Stillwell's lawyer, Max Shard, tried

848
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: to get really, He's like, sir, for the last just

849
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: eight days, you have wasted this jurious time. And with Glanville,

850
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Judge Glanville, it was getting into like, okay, this is

851
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: non responsive and you need to make the witness answer

852
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: the question. When the question is you know two minutes ago,

853
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: did you just hear your voice on a recording? And

854
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't recall.

855
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: It's like on man, Yeah, It's like I was saying, yo,

856
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: he up there. Then when he said I don't know

857
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: how this plays into the court or the trial, but

858
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: he said that man, I'm so high, man, I'm almost

859
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: finophol with I uptill.

860
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Judge Glambelle was just like, we're gonna take a break soon.

861
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: And for some people were like, did he actually say hot?

862
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: But it was confirmed it because he could have said

863
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: hot with an accent, But it was actually confirmed to

864
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: me by one of the defense attorneys in the courtroom

865
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: that no, he definitely said high.

866
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: So he didn't want to be that man. Yeah, like

867
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: it's that. Then the some of the stuff that he

868
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: was saying he had told police stuff. I just don't

869
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: know how all this plays into it. Then you have

870
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: Brian Steele asked the judge to step down.

871
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that I don't think there's any chance

872
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: that he will, but I'll be interested to see the

873
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: motion if he actually files a written motion, because I

874
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: think the way it works in that county is it

875
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: would be decided by another judge, and I can't imagine

876
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: another judge is going to recuse him either. But just

877
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: the fact that it's going on makes it kind of interesting.

878
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: But it's just it's such a shit show and it's

879
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: such a long trial. It's like, how are we not

880
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: even close to being done with this trial? You know,

881
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

882
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: I look at big and and and I'm saying, man,

883
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: this is very stray. What about Gunner's plea? What, yeah,

884
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: do you have about that?

885
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: So it's different from Tick's plea deal where Tick took

886
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: an actual plea agreement that required him to testify. And

887
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: same with d K who we've been here hearing about

888
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Walter Murphy, which apparently he's supposed to be testifying soon

889
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that should be that should be good.

890
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: But Gunnah's plea is completely different in that he's not

891
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: required to testify, and it's actually an Alfred plea, which

892
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: is named after like the defendant who first took the plea,

893
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: where you it's like a guilty plea, but you're not

894
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: actually admitting guilty. You're just admitting that if you took

895
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: it to trial, there is enough evidence that you could

896
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: be convicted. So it's not the same as just straight

897
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: up pleading guilty. So just the fact that he has

898
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: an Alfred plea and the fact that he isn't required

899
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: to testify, I don't think we're going to see him testify,

900
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: And if anything, I kind of think the defense could

901
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: call him as their own witness because they could go

902
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: over the same questions that they went over with Tick,

903
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: where basically show that he had all these different reasons

904
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: for pleading guilty or taking an Alfred plea, and that

905
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: he's not actually guilty and he doesn't want to testify

906
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: and he thinks the case is bullshit too.

907
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: That is a good conversation.

908
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: I won't see him though. I bet he doesn't testify it.

909
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a good conversation. Can gonna redeem hisself

910
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: by going in and testifying for though, because he's tooking

911
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: a culture hit for taking his plea, And I.

912
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: Personally think it's a little unfair to him because it's

913
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: like they just assume that he's snitching, and like all

914
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: the conversation is about whether he's snitching. It's like he

915
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: took a police so he could get get out of jail,

916
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: and same with Tick. I mean to say, what Tick

917
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: did was more snitching than Ghanna, just because he's required

918
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: to testify. But it's like, what is he supposed to do?

919
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Just stay in jail for the next like years of

920
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: his life and just take one for the team. And

921
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't even think he really said that much incriminating

922
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: about see.

923
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: What I think the thinking is the thinking behind that

924
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: is is that we assumed the government to never do

925
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: anything for no reason, so they had to have you

926
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: come up there and do that for something. Now, if

927
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: it's not the traditional telling, did that help? Is that

928
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: going to help them with the Okay? So what the

929
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: streets is saying is that they're trying to identify if

930
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: this is a gang. And part of the stipulation was

931
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: him identifying it as a gang.

932
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was pretty because there is that part

933
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: of his plea deal where he's or his agreement where

934
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: he says, you know, it became a gang. I'm sorry

935
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I was part of it and it needs to end

936
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: or something like that.

937
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: Ye.

938
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: So the defense was to put him on the stand.

939
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Of course the prosecutors would be asking him about that,

940
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: be like, okay, you you say you were pressured to

941
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: take this, but still you set all this bad stuff

942
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: in there, right. So I think it's mostly just likely

943
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: that he doesn't testify. But I just kind of feel

944
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: for these people who are put in this position because

945
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: and especially Trontavius Stevens, like you could tell he does

946
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: not want to get young Thug in trouble like he has.

947
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: He goes way back with Young thug and made a

948
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: point of meeting with Brian Steele and you know kind

949
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: of you know, telling some tall tales about his gang

950
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: tattoos and stuff because he wants to kind of keep

951
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: with Thug's story. But the idea that he should just

952
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: not take a plea deal and go on trial too,

953
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: where Brian Steel did a good job of going over

954
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: like all the reasons he took a plea deal, and

955
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: it was hugely financial, like his grandma paid like fifty

956
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for some lawyer and they wanted to take

957
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: it to trial. But then the lawyer couldn't do the

958
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: trial because it's kind of Fulton County's fault for putting

959
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: on this crazy long case that like, I mean, lawyers

960
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: have to just earn a living and have a business.

961
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: So the idea that just one lawyer can just devote

962
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: themselves to a trial for three years. So apparently this

963
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: guy's wife had cancer or whatever. But Tick didn't even

964
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: get all his money back because the lawyer had only

965
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: done had already done a bunch of stuff in the case.

966
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: So I think he said that his grandma got like

967
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars back or twenty and then went and

968
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: hired another lawyer who negotiated the plea deal. But you

969
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: just kind of feel for the guy. I mean, thug

970
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: is able to have Brian Steele and basically have unlimited

971
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: resources from I think the record label is helping fund

972
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: that too.

973
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: He got a he got a whole, he got a

974
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: lot of hell. He's okay, yeah.

975
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Tick was just kind of like screwed. And

976
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: they heard Brian Brian Steele ask him about his his

977
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: three baby mamas. I mean, imagine being in jail. You

978
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: got he has three kids with three women, and two

979
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: of them are eight year olds, two different Yeah, And

980
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Brian Steel was like, you know, when you were in jail,

981
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: were you able to provide you know, resources to your

982
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: kids and their mothers? And he's like no, It's like yeah,

983
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean he was. Was he just gonna stay in

984
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: there forever? You know?

985
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 3: But it's something to hang your man's though, like it's

986
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: like to help. It's like, man, it's something to go

987
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: with that. Now, I'll say this about the Gunner scenario. Yeah,

988
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: if it was me, I would have rejected that plea agreement,

989
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: and then I would have sent my lawyers back in there.

990
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: And says Hey, if he would have signed that paper,

991
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: they would have let him out. Can he least get

992
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: a bond? Because the day before you sign this paper,

993
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: you say he's one of the most dangerous people in

994
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: the world. And then the next day I signed the paper,

995
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: I get to go home. So yeah, they'll let me

996
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: go home, please, Like, so now give me a bond

997
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: instead of me signing and saying that.

998
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting. If anyone would be in a position to

999
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: do that, it would be Gunna, because I mean, yeah,

1000
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: he has He's not like Tick and you know, relying

1001
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: on Tick Scramble, on his lawyer. You know, he would

1002
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: have been able to that he had his lawyer is

1003
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: actually the same guy who's currently representing Donald Trump, Stephen

1004
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Steve Siddoh oh yeah in this case. So but you know,

1005
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: I mean there are probably just like, is it gonna

1006
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: get any better than this? Can't get bailed? I don't know.

1007
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: It's just like it just shows how much power these

1008
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: prosecutors out.

1009
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: I think Gunner has actually felt this though. I think

1010
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: I think he's I think this has affected him, like

1011
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: to get out and the way it happened and all

1012
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: of that. I think this is all on dude, you

1013
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

1014
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: But do you think it's affected like his career and

1015
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: like rap career.

1016
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely his his brain has took

1017
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: a hit. I mean, his sales are doing okay, but

1018
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: he know, like I know that there's a there's a

1019
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 3: there's a stickiness which your reputation in this game, right.

1020
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: He keeps saying close to you and next to you,

1021
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: and his has took a hit. He's out there now

1022
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: only on music. So if that music stops, could in

1023
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: the slightest he's in trouble. When some people music can

1024
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: stop connecting, but their brand kind of keeps some moving.

1025
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: Their reputation keeps some moving because it's not it's not

1026
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: about even the criminal element of this. It's more so

1027
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: about the friendship element. You know, it's more so about

1028
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: thug and him and their friendship element of it. That

1029
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: people is like, oh my god, bro. Yeah, it's it's heartbreaking.

1030
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: It's definitely heartbreaking. Like and so Detective Quinn have you

1031
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: I've seen you posted the uh the thing with Detective

1032
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: Quinn on your page. What's what's your feelings about him?

1033
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: They they're I mean, he's so plain to the cameras

1034
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people in the comments have

1035
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: called it out. It's like, what does he think this

1036
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: is an audition or something, you know, And it's just

1037
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: so like, on the one hand, you can you can

1038
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: see how a lot of people would really like him,

1039
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: and he seems cool. I mean, if there's ever like

1040
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: a cop that you'd want to go get a beer with,

1041
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, Detective Quinn would be awesome to just like

1042
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: sit around and like hear all his stories. But just

1043
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: the way he is, i mean a moonlighting job at

1044
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: Neiman Marcus when he's a homicide detective. I mean, it's like, dude,

1045
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: it's you hate to just say this, but it's like

1046
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: it's hard not to look at him in blasgaz and

1047
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: be like, dude, those guys.

1048
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: Are up to something, right, Yeah, just.

1049
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: The way he was buttering up Adrian Bean and all

1050
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: those conversations. And one huge red flag for me is

1051
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: having covered cops over the years is the fact that

1052
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: David Quinn started the police union. He's one of the

1053
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: co founders of the Atlanta Pars Union. In those unions

1054
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: are hugely powerful and they're a big reason that, like frankly,

1055
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: some of the cops are kind of out of control

1056
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: in this country because of the protections that they have.

1057
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: So the idea that they would have somebody who founded

1058
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: the police union also out investigating officer involved shootings. It's like, hey,

1059
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: and maybe he has, you know, found things happen wrong.

1060
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like, has he ever found that any of

1061
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: these officers involved shootings were not justified?

1062
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah, great, that's a great Yeah, it's a great observation.

1063
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. That's why you're important over here.

1064
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: You know that that's so important. Yeah, now you could

1065
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: tell as soon as he says something, he look over here. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no,

1066
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: he looked back to the time. I'm like, he's he's

1067
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: acting up here.

1068
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: Man in the the prosecutor who's questioning him, Simone Hilton,

1069
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: you can tell she's like a little star struck by

1070
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: him too.

1071
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, right, they said he was on first

1072
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 3: forty eight or something. I guess that's where he gets claimed.

1073
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: The fact is is atl homicide? Like are they all

1074
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: part of first forty eight? Because all of this Atlanta

1075
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: police aparma cups seemed to love the limelight. Because that

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00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: other one that they had on Summer Benton I guess

1077
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: she's been on some shows too, like Women of Homicide

1078
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: and things like that.

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Speaker 3: But wow, that's craziness. Like and like you said, working

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00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: in Demon Marngus, what I found interesting was that he

1081
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: those conversations he said he had with Young Thug. He

1082
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: said he had like three or four different conversations with

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00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 3: Young Thug. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting for him to

1084
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: pull him to the side.

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Speaker 1: Yo.

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Speaker 3: You got being it's like damn, Like well, and.

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: Is there a will be interested to see Brian Steele's

1088
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: cross of Quinn because they're trying to get ahead of that,

1089
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: because I think Steel's whole point is that, I mean,

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00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: here Quinn is acting like Thug was involved in this

1091
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: and he thinks, you know, something was bad, but yet

1092
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: you're sucking up to him at Neiman Marcus and asking

1093
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: him for a job or trying to do a job

1094
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: with him. You know, it's like, I don't know something something.

1095
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: And then his sister Dolly said that she never gave

1096
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 3: him the number, and he was saying that, Yo, Dolly

1097
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: came and gave me the number and it's still in

1098
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: my police issue cell phone. It just seems like he's

1099
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: a little too in tune with this thing. It's some

1100
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: it's some going.

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00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys, and I'm I'm sure all the cases

1102
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: that they've done, it must they must just have tons

1103
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: of stories. But I'm sure tons of people have stories

1104
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: about them too.

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00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: Write facts, facts, and so the last case I want

1106
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: to talk to you about, and I know this is

1107
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: your this is your baby, Tory Lanes and Meg Megie,

1108
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: you want to start at all? Right, Yeah, that's what

1109
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: started it all. Matter of fact, let's talk about that

1110
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: a little bit. Prior to that that was like, was

1111
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 3: that one of your biggest moments yet?

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00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just in terms of like the numbers

1113
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: that I got from that before. Because when I worked

1114
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: at the La Daily Journal, it's a newspaper for lawyers.

1115
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: It's so old fashioned and archaic, you know, they print

1116
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: and distribute in California to the courts. The judges all

1117
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: read it, the law firms and stuff. But we had

1118
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: a social media page, but the reporters were actually like

1119
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: forbidden from tweeting about the stories that we were covering

1120
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: because the boss just didn't see any point to it.

1121
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: So for up until like twenty twenty or so, I

1122
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't really have much of a social media presence but

1123
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: when I went to ALM and a lot of calm,

1124
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: it was able to start using it more so. I

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Speaker 1: covered Michael of Anadi's trial that like Thieving Lawyer a

1126
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: few years ago, and I remember, I think I had

1127
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: like five or six thousand followers when his trial started,

1128
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: or under that maybe, and I gained like two thousand

1129
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: followers and thought it was like a really big deal.

1130
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: I gained like two thousand followers overnight. But then I

1131
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: went into the Tory Lanez trial with like eleven thousand

1132
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: followers and came out with seventy seven thousand followers. And

1133
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember I gained like two thousand followers in an

1134
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: hour or something on there. It was just I mean,

1135
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: it was just crazy the numbers. So yeah, that was

1136
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: it's hard not to say that wasn't my big.

1137
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: Break, right right? Where are we in that particular case

1138
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: and are there any updates that the people should know about?

1139
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got his appeal in his opening brief. Appeal

1140
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: is in with the Second District Court of Appeals in California,

1141
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: which is the one that does the LA cases, and

1142
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: so it's the prosecutors. The Attorney General's office will respond

1143
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: to that. And I think they were supposed to respond

1144
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: by the end of the month, but they just got

1145
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: an extension and I don't know when the new do

1146
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: date is, but it's pretty common for them to get extensions.

1147
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: But it's probably like a couple months out. And once

1148
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: that happens, his lawyers can file a response to the

1149
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: opposition and then it could get set for oral argument,

1150
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: like where the attorneys will actually go in before this

1151
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: court and talk about the case. But that might actually

1152
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: not happen until next year. Like it's hard to see

1153
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: what the timeline is, but it could be a while. Dahn.

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00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, it's the alleged video that we've been hearing

1155
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: about that it's been circulating. Is there any have you

1156
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: had any updates on that.

1157
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: I've just seen like tweets about that. I'm like, sir,

1158
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: people just making stuff up because I'm pretty sure if

1159
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: there was a video there, it would be mentioned in

1160
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: the appellate briefs. I mean, these appellate briefs haven't said

1161
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: anything about that. And the new information is all about

1162
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: the driver. His driver has come forward and said that

1163
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: he didn't see who fired the shots, which is like, Okay,

1164
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: what's the point of this, but that he saw the

1165
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: that he saw Kelsey and Megan fighting, and that Kelsey

1166
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: had the gun beforehand and Tory tried to wrestle it away,

1167
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: which is kind of basically what Sean Kelly testified to

1168
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: in trial. But then he also went on to say

1169
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: that Tory was filing firing shots but just legally, I mean,

1170
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: it's his chance of getting any kind of reversal or

1171
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: getting out is all in this appellate court thing that

1172
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: he's got filed, and there isn't anything about a video

1173
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: in there. And I just think the people who are

1174
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: saying there's a video, first of all, I mean it's

1175
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of sad, and that they're just making stuff up

1176
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: because they're desperate for attention. I mean, you see that

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00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: on the internet, like all yeah. But I think especially

1178
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: in this one, this case like just kind of took

1179
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: on a life of its own with some people and

1180
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: they've just become like so attached to it, like identity wise,

1181
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of a dopamine thing where if

1182
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: you're just kind of home in your apartment and you're

1183
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, kind of sad or depressed, it's like, well,

1184
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: if you write something on the internet that takes off

1185
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got all these replies and

1186
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: likes and people talking to you, so like the temptation

1187
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: to you know, just bullshit to get clicks is kind

1188
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: of great.

1189
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: And it's important people know that because it's messed up

1190
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: and rap that the bloggers are really affecting the business

1191
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: from out of being bored, nothing to do, don't go nowhere,

1192
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: and now they're shooting that rappers and crashing the business

1193
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: or messing with the business. It's a wild thing happening

1194
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: out there.

1195
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one thing that I've kind of learned

1196
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: just from covering the Tory Lands case. It's just just

1197
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: a huge intersection and especially like rapping, hip hop and

1198
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: and the blogs, like it's all like you know, the

1199
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Speaker 1: streets and the gossip and the tea and I mean,

1200
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Speaker 1: you just it's it's such a it's such a weird

1201
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: cycle of how they all kind of feed off each

1202
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: other because they need each other. But then there's it's

1203
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: like a love hate relationship. Yeesh, it's half with the blogs,

1204
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, It's.

1205
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because now I look at Diddy, and in

1206
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: particular with Diddy, he was one of those guys that

1207
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: was pro black black this black dead, black jet, black liquor.

1208
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: I want to black people like and now look at

1209
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: black media, it's like they're literally I wanted to ask

1210
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: you this from your reading. Is the term freak off

1211
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: in any of these lawsuits or what was that? Man?

1212
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. Is it in the Little

1213
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Little Rod? It seems like there's it seems like there's

1214
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: some lawsuits. But yeah, that that that definitely came from

1215
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: the brother They might be in the Is it in

1216
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: the CASI? I think it might have been in the

1217
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: CASI lawsuit too, But yeah, it is definitely. Yeah, I

1218
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: think that's.

1219
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: Been Okay, okay, okay, he likes to get down. I

1220
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: guess yeah.

1221
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's like, look, as long as everyone

1222
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: is over age and consenting, but it sounds like that's

1223
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: the big issue here. They're not.

1224
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, And that's the way it is because you know,

1225
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: when you listen to some of Andrew Tate's rhetoric, he

1226
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: says that the way that they're framed human trafficking is

1227
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: that if you fly girl out, pay her, and have

1228
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: sex with her, that's technically human trafficking. When you get

1229
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: into the weeds of it, and I have a hard

1230
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: time imagining that Diddy has never put someone on the

1231
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: plane and gave them some money and also had sex

1232
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Speaker 3: with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, if they're underage, that's a yeah, not

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: even age.

1235
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Speaker 3: What about of age is that still? I mean people

1236
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: are saying of age, they're still considered trafficking human trafficking.

1237
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't want to like make make

1238
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: a legal analysis too, but yeah, and just the transnational

1239
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: approach of it. And then you know, if these people

1240
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: are now coming forward and saying that they weren't happy

1241
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: about it, I mean, the Julane Maxwell case, the Jeffrey

1242
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Epstein stuff is a good kind of blueprint to look at,

1243
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: like what might an investigation look into here? And who

1244
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: who would they be talking to and why? You know,

1245
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: and you sit with Cassie, it's like, yeah, it sounds

1246
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: like they have a lot of material here.

1247
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Cassie's different. Cassies' I give her credence, Cassie blessings, prayers, right,

1248
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: but what these other things like, oh, they've now they've

1249
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: now blurred this thing up. Now this thing they're together,

1250
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, it's getting dangerous now. Well,

1251
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 3: with the toy Relanes case, if I remember correctly the

1252
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: witness that tor Relanes brought up. Did I believe more

1253
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: damage to tor Relanes? Did they flip the witness?

1254
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Sean Sean Kelly and I remember in the

1255
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: in the beginning, like the way they talked about that

1256
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: in the opening statement, I was like, I wonder if

1257
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: this guy's actually going to like play out to be

1258
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: the witness that they that they did. But yeah, it

1259
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: was all about, you know, he's he saw two women fighting.

1260
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if if Tory's lawyer said straight

1261
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: up that, oh he saw Kelsey fire shots, but I

1262
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: mean it did seem to be going Tory's way in

1263
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: the very beginning, but then his testimony just kind of

1264
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: turned and as he was questioned more and more, he's

1265
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: identifying Lanes as the shooter. So his he did seem

1266
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: to say that that, you know, two girls fighting, He

1267
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: was pretty unequivocal about that, but then he also identified Lanes.

1268
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: And one important thing of it was, uh, the stuff

1269
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: about dance bitch, because even in Kelsey's DA's interview, she

1270
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: is corroborating everything Megan says about the shooting and what

1271
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: Tory did, but she won't. She says that he did.

1272
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: He didn't say dance bitch. When they ask her if

1273
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: anyone says that, she says no. But then with Sean

1274
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: Kelly's testimony, he says that, you know, he saw a

1275
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: woman on the ground and that the young short guy

1276
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: was the last to get out of the car, and

1277
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: he like all these muzzle shots were coming from him

1278
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: and that he was unleashing a torrent of abuse. So

1279
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: like he didn't hear exactly what he said from up

1280
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: in the window, but the torrent of abuse line, I'm like,

1281
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't that kind of corroborate what Megan was saying about

1282
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: dance bitch? And it could just be it's not that

1283
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Kelsey did hear dance bitch and she just lied to

1284
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: the prosecutors and said no, It's just she honestly did

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Speaker 1: not hear that because there was so much going on

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Speaker 1: at the time. But it just seems like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: especially over the last couple of months, I've been like,

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: I think that case is pretty much over. I mean,

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm still going to cover his appeal and everything, but

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: it's just like all the dialogue online is so toxic,

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: and like the people who have these vested interests in it,

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: and like all the drama and gossip between them, it

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01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: just seems like really really hurtful and there's just isn't

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: much for me to add anymore. You know, I just

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01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of want to want to move on, but I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely still still tracking the appeal and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you did your job on it, like you said,

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01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 3: once the information has reached a we've reached a point

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01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 3: where we're regurgitating it or it is just is nothing new,

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: is nothing to add. You're in the right You're in

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: the right mindset in my opinion to be like, yo,

1302
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: I think it's time to move on now. I will

1303
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: say the idea that a video doesn't exist, it is

1304
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because we're in that area. Someone has

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: a ring doorbell camera. There has to be surveillance these

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01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: rich people. That's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean because they had what we had

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01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: audio somebody's somebody's video camera caught the audio of it,

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: and then we had the nine one one calls. But yeah,

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01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: there hasn't been. But it seems like, you know, if

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: if Tory Lanez's camp really had a video that showed

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01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: that he wasn't the shooter, I mean, good lord, you

1313
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: think they would have actually released it by instead of

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Speaker 1: there's some point yeah, yeah, just five five five that

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Speaker 1: claims there is yes.

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Speaker 3: And so what they're saying is that there's supposed to

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01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: be some anonymous person. And of course I know better

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 3: than that because they'll pay top dollar for their video

1319
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 3: at this point, like they.

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Speaker 1: Will, I mean, and then the idea that like if

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Speaker 1: somebody sent that to me, I would just be all over.

1322
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: It's just like I would not be this. I mean,

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01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: his lawyers would be the one to be like, hey,

1324
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: we've got this video here that proves that this person

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: who's in prison doesn't need to be there. I mean,

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01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: the appellate court would pay attention to something like that.

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01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: It's just what they got right now is Hey, some

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: guy who didn't testify and trial and clearly could have

1329
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: says that he didn't see who shot the gun. It's like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: This is enough to get out right, and I don't

1332
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: think that's enough feed What where does young thugs Trout

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01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: intersect with Trump's trial and do they effect one another?

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, I kind of the word

1335
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: has been that the Fulton County DIA's office, which brought

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Speaker 1: the Young Thug case in the Trump case, like they

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01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: wanted to bring the Young Thug cases kind of like

1338
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: a test to like get ready for this big Trump case.

1339
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to say, but I think all the

1340
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: stuff going on with the Trump case, with Fannie Willis's

1341
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: disqualification hearing and all that just shows like how political

1342
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: that office is and just like, frankly, what kind of

1343
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: a mess it is. So I think they overlap in

1344
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: that regard, but it doesn't I mean, other than that,

1345
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't think anything that happens in the Trump case

1346
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: will like directly affect Young Thug's case. But it's just

1347
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: kind of a it was an inside look into the

1348
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: office that's prosecuting Young Thug. It's kind of scary.

1349
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: So with Fanny Willis because because Trump would it's almost

1350
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 3: like Trump was trying to throw Young Thug elie you

1351
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: when he would when he would bring up like she's

1352
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: been sleeping with a gang member, and da da da

1353
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 3: da da, It's like it almost feels like that if

1354
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 3: you ruin the reputation of Fanny Willis, who started this

1355
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: investigation on Young Thug, how does this investigation not be

1356
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: tain it as well? I don't know how that.

1357
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it just seems like that was kind

1358
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: of supported by nothing other than the fact that she

1359
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: did represent this guy when she was in private.

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Speaker 3: All that was that supported.

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it's kind of like a classic

1362
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: sexism And you see it in the Young Thug trial too,

1363
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: where I think everybody has a right to criticize the prosecutors.

1364
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: And if people want to, like criticize Adrian Love the

1365
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: Chief Deputy DA by name, I mean, there's that's their

1366
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: right to do. And there's plenty to criticize for her.

1367
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: But I always cringe when people are like, oh, she

1368
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: must be sleeping with the judge, because it's sexist to

1369
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: say that about her right. And you kind of see

1370
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: the same thing with Funny. Chris Funny didn't do herself

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: any favors by actually sleeping with this special prosecutor. You know,

1372
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: it just seems like she made a ton of a

1373
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: ton of bad decisions here.

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Speaker 4: You know.

1375
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: So you don't think you don't think there's any truth

1376
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: to it. I don't think Trump will be out there.

1377
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 3: I think he knows something, I mean, or does truth?

1378
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: Does he around?

1379
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: Like the implication is that and it is true that

1380
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: with her having represented this guy, it might be a

1381
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: would it be a conflict for her office then to

1382
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: turn around and prosecute it. But we kind of see

1383
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: this in prosecutor's offices around the country, Like a lot

1384
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: of defense attorneys, criminal defense attorneys run for prosecutor and

1385
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: then get elected, and the idea that then their office

1386
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: that like the prosecutor's office, can no longer prosecute anyone

1387
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: that they used to represent. I mean, there's just this

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of implication that the reason she didn't prosecute this

1389
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: guy is because she was giving him favoritism. But it's like, okay,

1390
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: how does that affect the other cases? I mean, it's

1391
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: basically a bunch of criminal defense attorneys whining that some

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: other guy wasn't charged with a crime. It's like, okay, talk.

1393
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: About the Donovan guy that they said she was sleeping with.

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: I think Mundo is the guy's name. Thomas was who

1395
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: I haven't heard, And I feel like that is just

1396
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: like I haven't seen anything to actually like, I feel

1397
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: like that does become sexist just because she's a female prosecutor,

1398
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: any male around her she must be sleeping with.

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Speaker 3: You know, you only do you only do criminal cases.

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 3: What else do you do your journalism about.

1401
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: I do cover some civil cases when I can, Like

1402
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: like lawsuits when they go to trial and federal court

1403
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: are always interesting to watch. Like actually, Asap Rocky has

1404
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: a lawsuit because he's got that shooting case that hasn't

1405
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: gone to trial and it's not scheduled yet, but the

1406
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: guy that he allegedly shot is suing him for defamation.

1407
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: So that's kind of one to track like things things

1408
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: like that. But I try to stick to to criminal cases,

1409
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: Like I just covered one in La federal court that

1410
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: was a big federal corruption case. Actually, there was this

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: La City councilman who ran downtown LA for a bunch

1412
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: of years, and he was completely corrupt, Like if developers

1413
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: wanted to get any kind of thing built downtown or

1414
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: get some kind of hotel redeveloped, they had to go

1415
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: through him, and he would make them like you know,

1416
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: buying prostitutes and stuff. He was going to Las Vegas

1417
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: with this Chinese billionaire developer and this guy was like

1418
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: had kind of head diistic tendencies. So they'd go up

1419
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: to Vegas and go on these gambling trips and you know,

1420
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: high end gambling like tens of thousands of dollars. He

1421
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: had all these prostitutes with him, but it was just

1422
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: complete pay for play. And it's actually, I mean, I

1423
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: think we've gotten so cynical in this country that there

1424
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 1: are people who hear about this stuff and don't even realize,

1425
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: Like as disgusting as it sounds, they don't realize it.

1426
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: It's actually totally illegal too for public official to be

1427
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: taking favors like that and having like a pay for

1428
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: play scheme. So the Feds actually found out that he

1429
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: was going on gambling trips with this billionaire developer and

1430
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: actually saw photos of them at a gamembling table together.

1431
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: So they like to get their fancy names for their investigations,

1432
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: so they called this one operation Casino Loyal. But they

1433
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: like had like half of the Los Angeles politicos like

1434
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: wearing wires. It was like classic stuff where they got

1435
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of people to flip on the councilman and

1436
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: record him, and they had there was another the deputy

1437
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: mayor was involved. The councilman actually took a plee deal

1438
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: and just got thirteen years in prison. But there was

1439
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: this deputy mayor who had been working at City Hall.

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: For like ever, and he was involved in it too.

1441
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: He was helping facilitate the meetings with the Chinese developers,

1442
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: and he had this consulting business that he was like

1443
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: packing away a bunch of money and that he was

1444
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: going to go work in after he left the city.

1445
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: But he got busted by the Feds and a bunch

1446
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: of people that he was working with them all flipped

1447
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: on him and like were wearing wires. So he took

1448
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: it to trial and just got convicted on all accounts

1449
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: and he's going to get like ten years.

1450
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1451
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not.

1452
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: So weird though, Yeah, only ten years.

1453
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Is like he might get more really, like he faces

1454
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: twenty years. It's just his sentencing is in June, so

1455
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to know. Like the prosecutors will

1456
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: do a recommendation, his attorneys will do a recommendation. But

1457
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: just looking at things like j Jose Wezar is the

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: councilman who was doing everything and he pleaded guilty, avoided

1459
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: trial and got thirteen years in prison. And then there

1460
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: was a developer who's actually like a multi millionaire who

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: lived in some mansion in bel Air and he gave

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: Weezar a five hundred thousand dollars bribe and then falsified

1463
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of business records when the Feds came knocking.

1464
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: So and he took it to trial and got convicted,

1465
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: and the Feds wanted him to get seven years in prison,

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: and his defense lawyers asked the judge to only give

1467
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: him eighteen months, and the judge gave him six years.

1468
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: And that guy's a private citizen and it was one bribe,

1469
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: and this guy that just got convicted of way more

1470
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: charges than that was a public official, which is like

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: a bigger deal to the judge. The judges you were held,

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, should be held to higher standard. So it's

1473
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: probably not going to get as much as Weezar because

1474
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite as involved. But the fact that he

1475
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: took it to trial and like denied it the whole time,

1476
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: whereas Weezar admitted it said I you know, I don't

1477
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: think he said I'm sorry, but he said he pleaded guilty.

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: It's like that's going to be factored into So I

1479
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to get more than Wes are.

1480
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: But if you look at six years for the developer,

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: thirteen years for Wezar, ten years for this guy sounds.

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: About right, right, right, that's a good gauge. Yeah, being

1483
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 3: a journalist has it skewed your your mind? Has it

1484
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 3: corrupted your mind where you just look at this country

1485
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 3: in a way where's like, oh, it's not what it seems,

1486
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: or I have a little bit more information and I

1487
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: have a skewed outlook on how things are.

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01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have kind of wonder that, especially my background

1489
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, like working at this Spokesman Review

1490
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: in Spokane and covering the crime beat up there, because

1491
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: I look back, I'm like, well, I was just on

1492
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: like the meth head beat for like three or four years,

1493
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: covering like all these murders and stuff, just kind of

1494
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: like the lowest of low of society, which is good

1495
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: to see that. You also kind of have to remind

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Speaker 1: yourself that you cover a lot of bad shit all

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Speaker 1: the time and that most people aren't like this, like

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Speaker 1: hopefully you know, and you raise your standard as a

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Speaker 1: person because for a while it's like, well, as long

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Speaker 1: as they're not murdering people, they're great people. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like no, no, improve your standards a little bit,

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Speaker 1: like you've been covering the bottom of the barrel, So

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Speaker 1: try to get up to like the top of the

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Speaker 1: barrel of society.

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Speaker 3: You know, and then you see stories where people are

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Speaker 3: in love and then you know this happens. It's like, uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't trust love. I've seen what that case that

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Speaker 3: time I did a deep dive on. It's like, I

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Speaker 3: wonder how all of that effikes you. It's almost like

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Speaker 3: an actor that never comes out of the role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, but you got you got to

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Speaker 1: focus on the good. And that's one thing about crime

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Speaker 1: is that there's so much horrible stuff that happens with crime,

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Speaker 1: but then overall there are a lot of good people

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Speaker 1: like trying to investigate it, like the victim's advocates, you know.

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Speaker 1: For as much problems and as for as much as

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Speaker 1: I frankly don't like the cops in this country, there

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Speaker 1: are good cops, and like we need people to investigate

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Speaker 1: you know, serial killers and murderers and stuff. So I

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Speaker 1: think there are good things to focus on there, like

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Speaker 1: the people who are trying to help people. It's like

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Speaker 1: that mister Rogers quote, like when you see terrible things

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Speaker 1: on TV, look for the helpers. Look for the people

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Speaker 1: who are trying to help. I think I think that's important.

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Speaker 3: Well, you truly are a helper, and I really really

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Speaker 3: appreciated this conversation. As we get updates and you have time,

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Speaker 3: I would love to just update the culture time and

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Speaker 3: you know, whenever you can about things and get some

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Speaker 3: of your outlook, because again I've really, really really appreciated

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Speaker 3: the conversation today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you so much for having me man, I'd

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Speaker 1: be happy to join you again