Speaker 1: Catch called touchdown Hunter Henry A statement on a Thursday
Speaker 1: night by Justin Herbert. Here's one downfield and the tight
Speaker 1: end want to catch touchdown Raiders tarn Waller Herbert Cohen deep,
Speaker 1: he's got his man passes caught. That's Giten again, Yes,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, the deep strike to Jalen Giton, setting up
Speaker 1: the Chargers at the Raiders goal line. After a bit
Speaker 1: of a messy next couple of plays, Justin Herbert finally
Speaker 1: ends the game with a QB sneak final score Chargers thirty,
Speaker 1: Raiders seven in overtime, effectively ending the season of the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders, who yes, they did it again for
Speaker 1: the second December in a row. They have collapsed and
Speaker 1: this one hurts more than all the others combined. Dan
Speaker 1: Hans is here with Mark Sessler. That was Joe Buck
Speaker 1: with the call on Fox and NFL Network. Mark. The
Speaker 1: Waters are dead and they have no one to blame
Speaker 1: but themselves because they were set up on the first
Speaker 1: drive of overtime, first then goal inside the Charger five.
Speaker 1: They got a little bit cute, overly cute, uh settled
Speaker 1: for three and then left the door open, and we
Speaker 1: saw what happened. Yeah, I don't think they leaned on
Speaker 1: their strengths. Um, Darren Waller would have been an obvious
Speaker 1: target in that situation. Um, you know, it's this game
Speaker 1: had so many twists and turns. One theme, and tell
Speaker 1: me if you disagree that sort of stuck out to
Speaker 1: me was that both teams were um prancing out their
Speaker 1: overt weaknesses, Like the the Raiders, Uh put all this
Speaker 1: effort into stopping the run, and they did a good job,
Speaker 1: and the Chargers um out of the gate. One of
Speaker 1: the reasons that the first half shot by in like
Speaker 1: fifty two minutes was that both both teams quarterbacks because
Speaker 1: you lost car and had Mariotta, were so efficient and
Speaker 1: that extended to Justin Herbert who was like sixteen for
Speaker 1: twenty and they were absolute magic through the air. And
Speaker 1: yet the Chargers did the most Chargers thing ever and
Speaker 1: their overt weaknesses decision making, um, special teams gaffs and
Speaker 1: not getting out of the corner they built just Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn go on, no, no, exactly like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: sort of you know it was spice from every other
Speaker 1: Chargers game. But there were four or five players in
Speaker 1: the first half and early into the second where I thought,
Speaker 1: why are you attempting to run the ball here? I
Speaker 1: know that that's what Anthony Lee wants to do, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: when they threw the ball, they were very successful early
Speaker 1: on and um, this probably just should not have gone
Speaker 1: to overtime. It was the gaffs of both teams. And
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to get into their uh,
Speaker 1: very imperfect operations. And I mean the Raiders are not
Speaker 1: a playoff team and over the last you know, almost
Speaker 1: a month, they've proven that and they've lost the quarterback
Speaker 1: now but maybe found a better one. Yes, well, okay
Speaker 1: for tonight. That's a loaded comment for the night. It
Speaker 1: was a special night for Marcus Mariotta, who had been
Speaker 1: in Mothballs for essentially a year and a half, came
Speaker 1: to the Raiders and couldn't even beat out Nate Peterman
Speaker 1: as the backup quarterback until three games ago. That's when
Speaker 1: he moved up the depth chart for Vegas. And then
Speaker 1: Derek Carr scrambling uh looking to see, uh, find someone
Speaker 1: open in the first quarter toward the goal line, towards
Speaker 1: the sideline, does something very bad to his growing It
Speaker 1: looked painful, and he went straight back to the locker room,
Speaker 1: you don't see him again, and you think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's the Raiders season. And then I was thinking to
Speaker 1: myself because I had forgotten who is the Raiders backup?
Speaker 1: Who is coming under there's Marcus Mariotta. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was a big takeaway from the game, And maybe
Speaker 1: it is a drop in the bucket in the big
Speaker 1: picture of the NFL going forward, because Mariota will be
Speaker 1: go back to being the guy that he was for
Speaker 1: four years in Tennessee if he ever got more of
Speaker 1: a chance, or you know who knows, Like the world
Speaker 1: is crazy and so is the NFL. Sometimes what we
Speaker 1: saw from Mariotta was really really fun. And I know
Speaker 1: he had a couple bad passes and he wasn't perfect,
Speaker 1: but I was just amazed a guy could be totally cold,
Speaker 1: coming off the bench with no game action, no preseason
Speaker 1: as we all know, and just enter the game and
Speaker 1: just be throwing these darts in these beautle of touch
Speaker 1: passes for forty five yards, Darren Waller in the end zone,
Speaker 1: running like quick twitch athleticism, like looking like a number
Speaker 1: two overall pick. The guy that Titans um I thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna have for fifteen years, So that was
Speaker 1: like for that too to have that as a Raiders
Speaker 1: van as John to be John Grenna be like, not
Speaker 1: only did our backup come in when it seemed like
Speaker 1: all was lost, but he played awesome and then still
Speaker 1: not find a way to keep your season alive. That
Speaker 1: is bitter. That is a bitter taste. It's a bitter
Speaker 1: way to go. And I think it probably helped the
Speaker 1: Raiders that you know, a lot of these teams try
Speaker 1: to find backups that are similar fits to the starter
Speaker 1: to run the same exact offense. But Mariota came in
Speaker 1: and completely changed the environment with what he could do
Speaker 1: with his legs, and I thought that caused a ton
Speaker 1: of problems for for Los Angeles. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: the kind of game where, um, I don't know who
Speaker 1: to point or fingers at. I didn't love John Gruden
Speaker 1: challenging UM a two yard game. Uh, okay, you got that.
Speaker 1: But on the next UM play Justin Herbert converted. Uh
Speaker 1: there was um the double whammy, which I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I've seen this um and if I had,
Speaker 1: it probably slipped memory where they received double fouls on
Speaker 1: a play um, which the only way that can happen
Speaker 1: is with a combination of past interference and face mask,
Speaker 1: and they did that, and it's like both of these
Speaker 1: teams sort of were screaming to say, please, opponent, steal
Speaker 1: this game from me. Um, and the Chargers had their
Speaker 1: own versions of that. They're a maddening team, and it
Speaker 1: extended to special teams. Michael Badgeley, um, I, you know,
Speaker 1: I it's just I feel like we're saying the same
Speaker 1: stuff over and over. But um, I guess you know
Speaker 1: when you have justin Herbert Um. I trusted him to
Speaker 1: move the ball on that final drive, and it would
Speaker 1: have been nice if you just shut it down with
Speaker 1: that final pass. Um a little bit underthrown there, Um,
Speaker 1: But they found a way out of this. I had
Speaker 1: no idea who was gonna win with three or four
Speaker 1: minutes left because it was just one of those games. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You don't want to kick Anthony Lynn while he's down.
Speaker 1: But I'm also sick of and this goes for our
Speaker 1: podcast and everyone else. Everyone has to qualify. But we
Speaker 1: love Anthony Lynn as a person. Yes, it's been said
Speaker 1: over and over again. Let's just stick to the facts
Speaker 1: of what's happening on the field. The guy stinks. He
Speaker 1: doesn't he in terms of the head coach and and
Speaker 1: the mechanics of the end of a game and making
Speaker 1: strategic decisions, he doesn't really have it. And um, he's
Speaker 1: gonna if it doesn't work out in l A and
Speaker 1: he doesn't get another year, which I don't think he will,
Speaker 1: he will join someone else's coach. I'm doing it again.
Speaker 1: He will join someone else's coaching staff and be a
Speaker 1: great addition. But this ain't working. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: Michael Badgley who entered this game with seven field goal misses,
Speaker 1: and with less than four minutes to go, you play
Speaker 1: for a forty six yard field goal essentially with Michael Badgeley,
Speaker 1: which he misses left. They get the ball back after
Speaker 1: the Chris Harris interception, they again played conservatively an attempt
Speaker 1: a fifty one yeard yard kick and to top it
Speaker 1: off before, of course, he misses that one. I believe
Speaker 1: it was short and to the left. Uh, Anthony Lynne
Speaker 1: Ice is his own cake. It's crazy. Then the Raiders
Speaker 1: take over and I don't even know what they were
Speaker 1: what John Grun was thinking, but I know they didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time. But for it to end
Speaker 1: with getting near midfield, doing a sneak to get the
Speaker 1: first down, and then clocking the ball with two seconds
Speaker 1: to set up a sixty five yard field goal. That
Speaker 1: then you're the snap holder drops and you don't even
Speaker 1: get that off. That was wacky. And then that takes
Speaker 1: us finally now to overtime, as I just spin through
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible mark all the coach UH foul ups.
Speaker 1: At the end of this game, the Raiders get the ball.
Speaker 1: The Chargers defense is gassed at this point, UH, and
Speaker 1: it looks like the Raiders are gonna save their season.
Speaker 1: They get the ball and they go immediately start marching
Speaker 1: down the field. Booker for seven on the run, Mariota
Speaker 1: run for thirteen, Mariota dos a Jones for nine, Jacobs
Speaker 1: for two UH incomplete Mariota UH right tackle again seventeen
Speaker 1: yards on the ground, Jeff Josh Jacobs three yards, then
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs eight more yards. They get set up first
Speaker 1: in goal at the four. Run to Jacobs for one yard,
Speaker 1: run for Jacobs for negative two yards. They the Charges
Speaker 1: called time out and Mariotta comes out with an alignment
Speaker 1: with I believe three tight ends and Mario rolls to
Speaker 1: his right, leaving Darren Waller on the week side to
Speaker 1: just stand around doing nothing on a day you had
Speaker 1: a hundred and fift yards and a touchdown and targets
Speaker 1: alec ingold in the flat for a no chance of
Speaker 1: a touchdown score fourth down to kick the field goal,
Speaker 1: and and I guess John Grunen his head is thinking,
Speaker 1: I know, my secretary was hideously embarrassed in the first
Speaker 1: half by Justin Herbert, But I'm sure they have one
Speaker 1: stop in them, are you kidding me? And it wasn't
Speaker 1: even close. And it's a bad job all around by
Speaker 1: the coaching, a terrible job, and I and it, and
Speaker 1: it did give us something pleasant on a couple I
Speaker 1: thought rather annoyed Troy Aikman quotes. One of them was,
Speaker 1: you know, just describing the raiders past defense to your
Speaker 1: point on that last drive. And this came earlier in
Speaker 1: the game, and he was just sort of watching them
Speaker 1: get fried repeatedly. He just sort of said, it's hard
Speaker 1: to understand. And I love that sort of what that's
Speaker 1: a very troy ism where you know, you you know,
Speaker 1: he just wants to be a you know what he's saying.
Speaker 1: He used to being generous to to Grooten and uh
Speaker 1: did you get a second one? Um? When uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the first field goal for the Chargers miss? He said, Boy,
Speaker 1: that just didn't look good from the beginning. And uh, well,
Speaker 1: I saw one someone on Twitter named Amida. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who that is. UM put underneath that quote ancient
Speaker 1: Chargers special teams proverb, because it is. It happens every week.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a weekly thing with them. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how you flush out these issues without
Speaker 1: making um the compelling and you know case that this
Speaker 1: coaching staff needs to go and it's we you said
Speaker 1: it really well, it's not a personal thing, but um,
Speaker 1: this is just not acceptable in NFL circles. I mean,
Speaker 1: with with the analytics, with the with the looks, I mean,
Speaker 1: special teams can not be treated as a cast off
Speaker 1: part of the operation. I mean the lucky to get
Speaker 1: out of here with a win, I mean, they was
Speaker 1: ridiculous they did. And and I mean the Raiders season
Speaker 1: is over and they have just as many questions. And
Speaker 1: I know Gruden has this tenure contract. I like Gruden.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good coach, but you gotta look
Speaker 1: at these games down the stretch and and these are
Speaker 1: bona fide meltdowns. Yeah, I mean, Paul Gunther gets fired.
Speaker 1: You didn't see any improvement with Rod and Arronelli as
Speaker 1: the d C that because it's a personnel issue, probably
Speaker 1: more than a scheme. Maybe maybe Gunther wasn't doing the
Speaker 1: job from that perspective. But obviously they don't have enough guys,
Speaker 1: and it should be said, it's not just the fact
Speaker 1: that the guys aren't good enough that they have in
Speaker 1: the roster. They're totally banged up on top of it.
Speaker 1: I believe Vegas was missing four defensive starters, but along
Speaker 1: with their offensive coordinator, who had who had Corona? I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a lot happening in this game. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it was so fitting for the game to end
Speaker 1: the way it did, where Herbert has gotten wide open
Speaker 1: for a walk in touchdown underthrows him but he got
Speaker 1: hit as he threw it. So set you up at
Speaker 1: the goal line and then it gets super sloppy including
Speaker 1: and you can do this. You know, time will forget this.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert fumbles at the goal line, live ball in
Speaker 1: the end zone. If the Raiders fall on that, that
Speaker 1: is goes right up there. With any other bad Chargers
Speaker 1: loss in the last ten years. But for once, the Chargers, um,
Speaker 1: you know, don't completely collapse and burst into flames. They
Speaker 1: recover that fumble and then Herbert goes in just barely
Speaker 1: on the next play to close it. So, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Raiders are done, Mark. We send them out to the
Speaker 1: corn fields. The Chargers were already there, so they essentially
Speaker 1: came out to chaperone them, uh into the darkness. And
Speaker 1: that sets up beautifully for your Brownies, Mark, because the
Speaker 1: Raiders had a tie breaker on the Brownies. Um, is
Speaker 1: there any way with the Browns missed the playoffs? Now,
Speaker 1: is there a path? I think if they were to
Speaker 1: if they were to pull the Raiders in, you know,
Speaker 1: somehow lose to the Giants and Jets, who can get
Speaker 1: who can get them? Well, I mean I'd have to,
Speaker 1: I'd have to dig into the to the math. But
Speaker 1: I mean, like, but the Raiders being out of the mix,
Speaker 1: that that helps a lot, But the Dolphins could catch them.
Speaker 1: That the cults are titans, Um the Ravens I mean,
Speaker 1: and and I should say the Raiders because of the
Speaker 1: Browns lose out and the Raiders win out. The Raiders
Speaker 1: then have that tiebreaker again. So the Browns just take
Speaker 1: care of one or both of those New York teams,
Speaker 1: and the Browns were to lose three in a row.
Speaker 1: You don't want to. I'm not gonna. I will try to,
Speaker 1: you know, contain myself, but that will not be a
Speaker 1: pretty We don't want that. We don't want that, all right.
Speaker 1: I think that pretty much covers it. Again. It was
Speaker 1: a game with a lot of stuff going on, a
Speaker 1: lot of wonky stuff going on. I know Rosenthal's pissed
Speaker 1: because this is the exact type of game where he
Speaker 1: has about seven thousand points. He wants to make about it,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking that we have to like try
Speaker 1: to calm him down, but we can't because he's just
Speaker 1: so excited. But I'm sure it will come up on
Speaker 1: next week's preview episode. And one last note, Marcus Mariota,
Speaker 1: one of those weird incentive things was going on. If
Speaker 1: he would have won that game, got the ball in
Speaker 1: the end zone first and goal from the four, uh,
Speaker 1: he would have made a million dollars and incentives. He's
Speaker 1: still got a bunch of money because he played sixty
Speaker 1: of snaps in a game. UH, and his base salary
Speaker 1: salary jumped up next year, but it would have jumped
Speaker 1: up to essentially a one million dollar payday alas it
Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be. But good for Marcus Mariotta, you know,
Speaker 1: sure now he can be like one of these you know,
Speaker 1: um shiny couples in these commercials buying multiple cars for
Speaker 1: each other on Christmas. He could literally go out and
Speaker 1: do that right now without any probably and we've we've
Speaker 1: taken six of the snaps on two podcasts today or
Speaker 1: we is there going to be a hike in our
Speaker 1: bass salary? I would suggest no, we get absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: And I would suggest because you pointed out the that
Speaker 1: Lexus December to Remember ad campaign which is insane um SNL,
Speaker 1: which has been very hit or missed this year, more
Speaker 1: missed than hit. But they perfectly Um I watched sent
Speaker 1: that up this past week, so check that out if
Speaker 1: you haven't. And everybody, Okay, that's it. That's the Thursday
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