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Speaker 1: night by Justin Herbert. Here's one downfield and the tight

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Speaker 1: end want to catch touchdown Raiders tarn Waller Herbert Cohen deep,

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Speaker 1: he's got his man passes caught. That's Giten again, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, the deep strike to Jalen Giton, setting up

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Speaker 1: ends the game with a QB sneak final score Chargers thirty,

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Speaker 1: Raiders seven in overtime, effectively ending the season of the

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders, who yes, they did it again for

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Speaker 1: the second December in a row. They have collapsed and

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Speaker 1: this one hurts more than all the others combined. Dan

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Speaker 1: Hans is here with Mark Sessler. That was Joe Buck

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Speaker 1: with the call on Fox and NFL Network. Mark. The

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Speaker 1: Waters are dead and they have no one to blame

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Speaker 1: but themselves because they were set up on the first

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Speaker 1: drive of overtime, first then goal inside the Charger five.

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Speaker 1: They got a little bit cute, overly cute, uh settled

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Speaker 1: saw what happened. Yeah, I don't think they leaned on

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Speaker 1: their strengths. Um, Darren Waller would have been an obvious

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Speaker 1: target in that situation. Um, you know, it's this game

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Speaker 1: had so many twists and turns. One theme, and tell

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Speaker 1: me if you disagree that sort of stuck out to

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Speaker 1: me was that both teams were um prancing out their

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Speaker 1: that extended to Justin Herbert who was like sixteen for

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Speaker 1: yet the Chargers did the most Chargers thing ever and

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Speaker 1: their overt weaknesses decision making, um, special teams gaffs and

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Speaker 1: sort of you know it was spice from every other

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Speaker 1: the first half and early into the second where I thought,

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Speaker 1: know that that's what Anthony Lee wants to do, but um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to get into their uh,

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Speaker 1: now but maybe found a better one. Yes, well, okay

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Speaker 1: for tonight. That's a loaded comment for the night. It

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Speaker 1: was a special night for Marcus Mariotta, who had been

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Speaker 1: and you can do this. You know, time will forget this.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert fumbles at the goal line, live ball in

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Speaker 1: is goes right up there. With any other bad Chargers

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Speaker 1: Raiders are done, Mark. We send them out to the

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Speaker 1: that sets up beautifully for your Brownies, Mark, because the

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Speaker 1: Raiders had a tie breaker on the Brownies. Um, is

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Speaker 1: who can get them? Well, I mean I'd have to,

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Speaker 1: I'd have to dig into the to the math. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, but the Raiders being out of the mix,

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Speaker 1: that that helps a lot, But the Dolphins could catch them.

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Speaker 1: That the cults are titans, Um the Ravens I mean,

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Speaker 1: You don't want to. I'm not gonna. I will try to,

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Speaker 1: you know, contain myself, but that will not be a

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Speaker 1: I think that pretty much covers it. Again. It was

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Speaker 1: next week's preview episode. And one last note, Marcus Mariota,

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Speaker 1: still got a bunch of money because he played sixty

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Speaker 1: do that right now without any probably and we've we've

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Speaker 1: we is there going to be a hike in our

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Speaker 1: And I would suggest because you pointed out the that

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Speaker 1: Lexus December to Remember ad campaign which is insane um SNL,

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Speaker 1: which has been very hit or missed this year, more

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Speaker 1: that up this past week, so check that out if

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Speaker 1: you haven't. And everybody, Okay, that's it. That's the Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night football recap next time you hear from us. So

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Speaker 1: we'll be with Greg and hopefully West with a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a dash of Nick Shook. And it's hard

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Speaker 1: to just have a dash of that, man, but that's

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Speaker 1: what we get on Sunday night, the Recap flagship show.

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Speaker 1: So thank you to everybody for listening and until Sunday night,

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