1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: In the last hours, a federal indictment for the so 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: called boyfriend of Gabby Petito. Gabby now declared dead. We 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: know the manner of death is homicide. Cause of death 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: still not announced, but I can tell you this much. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: Those medical examiners they know the cause of death because 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 1: it was just a matter of hours from the time 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the autopsy started that they announced it's a homicide. I 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: guarantee you they know that it was blunt force trauma, 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: a bludgeoning, a beating, a strangulation, a gunshot wound, which 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I doubt a stabbing. I guarantee you they know, but 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: they're not releasing it. Meanwhile, on the other side of 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: the country, we know that Brian Laundry's parents have taken 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: a trip. God departs this as that federal indictment is 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: handed down out of the Federal District of Wyoming against 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, but not for murder. Let's kick it off 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: with our friend Katie back NBC tonight, a federal arrest 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: warrant has been issued for Brian Laundry after a grand 18 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: jury indictment. Investigators now five days into the massive manhunt 19 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: earlier today, Brian's parents seem leaving their Florida home under 20 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: police escort the Ford Mustang. They say their son drove 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: to the reserve and left their returned after police towed 22 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: it away earlier this week. With an extensive search coming up, 23 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: empty mounting questions about what directions authorities will go next 24 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: with me and I'll start panel to break it down 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: and make sense of what we know right now. First 26 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: of all, high profile lawyer joining us out of the 27 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Jaxable area, Dale Carson, and former FBI agent doctor Angela Arnold. 28 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta. You can find 29 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Cheryl McCullum, founder 30 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: and director of the Coldcase Research Institute at Coldcase Crimes 31 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: dot org. Death investigator, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, author 32 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott and Morgan. 33 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: But first to a special guest joining us, Fox News 34 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: and Fox Business reporter Paul Bast who has been in Northport, 35 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Florida for the duration. Paul Best, First of all, let's 36 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: just figure out what is in this federal indictment. The 37 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: first thing to see across some of the releases by 38 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: the FEDS is all the different ways you can charge somebody. 39 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: It can be an information, which is basically when a 40 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: prosecutor gets a piece of payment goes, okay, I'm charging 41 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm Brian Laundry with credit card theft. You just write 42 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: it up and that counts as a formal charge. I 43 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: don't like informations. I like the formality of a grand jury. 44 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: There was a grand jury in this case, and they 45 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: have handed down account describe at Paul Beast, what do 46 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, absolutely so. The US District Quarter of 47 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: Wyoming yesterday issued this federal rest warrant for Brian Laundry. 48 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: It alleges that he committed debit card fraud between August 49 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: thirtieth in September first, And if I could just quickly 50 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: note why that those days are important to our timeline 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: of kind of where Brian was moving around that time. 52 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Just three days before August thirtieth would he allegedly committed 53 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: debit card fraud was when he was seen in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, 54 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: essentially in an altercation with the waite staff at a 55 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Text Mex restaurant, the one you're talking about, Mary Pig, 56 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: That's the one I'm talking about, and witnesses. We talked 57 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: to witnesses of this altercation. They tell us that Gabby 58 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Petito during this was visibly distraught, that she was apologizing 59 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: to the White staff, and they also said that Brian Laundry, 60 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: while he wasn't being physically threatening, was clearly being aggressive 61 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: and was clearly very upset about something. It's unclear what 62 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: the argument was about, but that's kind of a key 63 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: date in our timeline as we can think together, Paul, 64 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: I like where you're going so far, Like everything thing 65 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: you've said so far. Have I ever said that? No? 66 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Usually I say I hate everything you just said, But 67 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: you just gave me so much information. Let's go over it. 68 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: I love what you're telling me and explaining to me 69 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 1: about the significance of those dates. Now, the fans put 70 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: the dates in there because you usually have to have dates. 71 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: For instance, when I would prosecute a child lestation case 72 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: and the child couldn't remember the exact date, and I 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: would work with the child and say, what's the Christmas 74 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: tri up? Were their Halloween decorations up? And you would 75 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: get a sense of the time of the incident. You 76 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: can put a space of time, like the Feds have 77 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: done in this indictment between August twenty nine and September one. 78 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: That's what they put in there. That's okay, but there 79 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: has to be some kind of a time space in there, 80 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: and it's significant because of what you said. The Merry 81 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Pig siding by. It was a New Orleans woman who 82 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: was there in Wyoming for a wedding with her her friend, 83 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: her boyfriend, I guess, and they go to this Merry Pig, 84 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: Tex mex It said lunchtime between one and two. I've looked. 85 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: I found out there's not surveillance video, So everybody bring 86 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: it down a notch. There's not surveillance video in the 87 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Merry Pig, but the Merry Pig has confirmed Brian Laundry 88 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: and Gabby Potito were there. Means I guess they've got 89 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: a receipt with their name on it. But it was 90 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: bigger than just a little a little tiff because apparently 91 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: Paul Best joining us from Fox News, he went in 92 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: and out of the Mary Pig four times, raising h 93 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: E double ale. We think something to do with a bill, 94 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: while the waitress or the matre d or the hostess 95 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: was saying, well, we're sorry, we're sorry, and Gaby was 96 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: like saying, I'm sorry, right, that's that's absolutely true. Apparently 97 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: our witness tells us that there were four female wait 98 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: staff who Laundry was essentially aggressively arguing with. And like 99 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: I said before, Petito was not a part of this 100 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: other than just going in to try to apologize, try 101 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: to calm the situation down. Anyhow, the Gabby and Brian 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: eventually left the right Paul Bad, Paul Best. I know 103 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: you're all about the facts, but I like to go 104 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: beyond the facts. Okay, just hold on, Paul Best, just 105 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: take off your reporter hat one moment and pretend you're 106 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: sitting around a big conference table in the district attorney's 107 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: office and we're all having a cup of tea and 108 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: coffee and we're figuring this whole thing out. I mean, 109 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, my husband David has never thrown any kind 110 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: of fit like that in a restaurant, because there would 111 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: be a homicide in the parking lot, me killing him. Okay, 112 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: if anybody gets mad at the waitress or the waiter, 113 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: as me, if the twins don't have their food, but 114 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I keep it down because the last thing you want 115 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: to do is antagonize the person carrying your food around. 116 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: All right, but have you ever seen that? And I 117 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: know you have some a hole throwing a fit and 118 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the restaurant at the waitress who's trying her best to 119 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: get your food so you'll eat and lean leave her alone. Right, absolutely, 120 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: But here's what stands out to me. The fact that 121 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: he comes in and out more than four times tells 122 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: me he does not have the ability of self control. 123 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: He believes everything is all about him, and he is 124 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: not going to stop until he is satisfied. His fiance 125 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: cannot calm him down, the manager can't calm him down. 126 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: The fact there's a room full of strangers staring at 127 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: him has no effect. Again, I'm going to tell you 128 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: he cannot hide who he truly is. And you know what, 129 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold schiahs shoining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, 130 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, I, of course again, I'm just a JD. 131 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: You're the m D. I don't think that you just 132 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: jump up and have that behavior overnight. I think you 133 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: learned that from watching people and your family agree because 134 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: we would h el would freeze over before my husband 135 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: or really any of us would throw some kind of 136 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: a fit in a restaurant at a waitress's first of all, 137 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I was a waitress in law school who's making minimum 138 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: wage and tips, and what they don't deserve is to 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: get berated by an angry person, especially someone threatening. You 140 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: learn that kind of behavior to misbehave in public. You 141 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: know what else you learn, Nancy went, You don't learn 142 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: how to keep your emotions in check, because that's something 143 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: else that you learn from your parents. As I've said before, 144 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: I do believe that this man is a full on sociopath. Now, 145 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: at first, sociopaths are very charming, but they are easy. 146 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: They are easily agitated when they don't have control over 147 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: a situation. So this incident just leads more credence to 148 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: his diagnosis, which is a personality disorder, that he is 149 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: a sociopath. Now, way, just a minute, do you don't 150 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: think you're reading a little too much into it, doctor Jy. 151 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not a sociopath, But just because 152 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: he threw a fit at a restaurant, I don't know 153 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: that that means he's got it. I think I think 154 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: it shows Nancy that he's unraveling climb stories with Nancy Grace, 155 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Paul Best back to the indictment. There's one count, and 156 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: everybody's screaming, why is it not a count for murder? 157 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: And I say, wait a minute, don't take the cake 158 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: out of the oven before it's done, because you know, 159 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: if they come down with an indictment right now for murder, 160 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: it would be so easy for a defense team to 161 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: slap a speedy on them, which means you got to 162 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: try the entire case within that grand jury term or 163 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: the next grand jury term. It's like six months. The 164 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: state has to happen all their ducks in a row 165 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: before they bring down a murder charge. Right, let's get 166 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: back to the indictment. Go ahead, sorry, right, I hear 167 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: del Carson. I think seventy days and federal district courts 168 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: seventy days, which isn't enough time to prepare for a murder, 169 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: not at all, Nancy. I just want to note that 170 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: the FBI seems to be kind of following exactly that 171 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: strategy in this the FBI special Agent and charge in 172 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: the Denver Field off it's actually said yesterday, while the 173 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: warrant allows law enforcement to arrest Laundry, the FBI and 174 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: you know law enforcement partners across the country continuing to 175 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: investigate the fact and circumstances of Potito's homicide. So it's 176 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: just like you said, this can allow them to bring 177 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: laundry in, Okay, Paul Best, Paul Best. Not everybody is 178 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: a crack investigative reporter or a lawyer or a law 179 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: enforce So could you just you got me drinking out 180 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: of the fire hijas too much too fast? Can you 181 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: slow that down and speaking regular people talk? The Field 182 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: office said what the FBI Field Office said, Well, it's 183 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: it's it's like you said. This essentially allows them to 184 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: bring laundry in and could um you know, and it 185 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: turns this into a fugitive manhunt in the search for 186 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: him as a pope, But as far as we know, 187 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: he's still only a person of interest in Potito's disappearance 188 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: and eventual homicide. Now, for what it's worth, Laundry's attorney 189 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: told us yesterday, yeah, that it's his understanding that quote 190 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: your rest warrant for Brian Laundry's related activities occurring after 191 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: the death of Gabby Potito and not related to our 192 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: actual demise. Take that for what you will, Okay, hold on, 193 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I want to examine what you 194 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: just said. I think that's Joe Scott jumping in. Joe Scott, 195 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: I know you're a death investigator, but you've been around 196 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: US lawyers for a long long time. What about that 197 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: lawyer parsing words? He's like, hello, whoa wait, this isn't 198 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: about killing Gabby. This is about stealing her money while 199 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: her body's decomposing out in the Yoming wild. I want 200 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: to just make that clear. There's no nice way to 201 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: put this, but he tried, Oh there's not. And of 202 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: course he's going to say that. And again, this is 203 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: a federal charge that they're bringing upon him. The homicide 204 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: charge will be a state charge. But let me tell 205 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: you what the Feds have done by indicting him or 206 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: bringing this warrant up relative to to laundry. And this 207 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: is very important, Nancy. Now, because he has this warrant, 208 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: this paper on him, this initiates US Marshal service at 209 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: this point in time. So you do not want to 210 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: mess with the US marshals. No, you do not. Did 211 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: I ever tell you that my personal investigator and bodyguard 212 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: in the DA's office, my first one went on to 213 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: be the US Marshal in the Northern District, Robert McMichael's 214 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: former nfler. Great guy, They don't play. You get the 215 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: US marshal on your tail, it's so over you might 216 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: as well give in. And this is what they specialize 217 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: in Nancy. You know, people forget about that. That's that 218 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: you know. Obviously they did court security in all but 219 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: this is this is their claim to fame. They're going 220 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: to put their people on it. And boy, let me 221 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: tell you something, once they dig their keeton to your 222 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: God help you. You just gave me an idea. Paul 223 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Best back to you, guys. Special guests joining us is 224 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Paul Best, Fox News reporter who has been there in 225 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Northport from the get go. Critical question, Paul Best, is 226 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: it local law enforcement or is it the Feds out 227 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: there in the Carlton Reserve. So it's a lot of 228 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: local law enforcement in Venice Police Department which is nearby 229 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Northport Police Department, Herosota County Sheriff's Office who are assisting. 230 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: But as far as we know, the federal the FBI 231 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: has taken over the search. But are the fans at 232 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve? Because if they're not, that tells me they 233 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: don't think laundry is out there. If the fans are 234 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: not out there in that dark water. We spoke with 235 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: on a professional recovery diver yesterday and he said that 236 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: water is contaminated because all the animals, not just fish, 237 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: but animals living in it, dying in it, defecating in it. 238 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: The water is contaminated swamp water, and they have to 239 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: wear full on dry suits. They don't want the water 240 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: to get into a wetsuit next to their body, and 241 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that the water is as black as black coffee. And 242 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: if the fans are out there and that black water, 243 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:49,239 Speaker 1: then I think they suspect either laundry or evidence relating 244 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: to laundry and Gabby are out there. If it's not 245 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the fans in that water, that I don't know that 246 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: the fans really think he's there. Paul Best, Yeah, it's 247 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: been mostly it's been you know, some time over the 248 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: past week at Carlton Reserve. It's been mostly local law enforcement. 249 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: We know the measure and Ball absent from the case, 250 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: but it's been mostly local law enforcement. And I do 251 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: want to note that that's absolutely true what you just said. 252 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: The Carlton Reserve is an unforgiving place there's no fresh water, 253 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: there's hardly anything edible. It's seventy five percent water. And 254 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: this is murky, gross algae balloons everywhere. And you know, 255 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: from everything that I've gathered, I've talked to some of 256 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Gabby and Brian's friends, we know that Brian was an 257 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: experienced outdoorsman, that he spent a lot of time on 258 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail after high school. Gabby's mom actually previously 259 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: told me that, you know, Brian was the one who 260 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: was more the expert at outdoors and was trying to 261 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: teach Gabby that sort of stuff. But even with that experience, 262 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve is not a place that people go to, 263 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, stay for any amount of time. Can I 264 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: tell you something, Paul Best, I just took the twins 265 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: to my children to an eco lodge and a swamp, 266 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: outing to Okefinoki Swamp, which is not that far away 267 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: from Carlton Reserve. Long story short, when we got in 268 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: the skiff, we counted forty four zero gators up ahead 269 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: of us. There is no way I would have put 270 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: one one finger in that water if I wanted to 271 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: keep it. So that's what we're talking about. Hey, listen, 272 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: to this Paul best Our Cut one forty seven. This 273 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: was yourn Storm's Venice Outdoor Sports Listen. It's a mix 274 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: of ecosystems. I mean there's some upland hardwood forest, some 275 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: lowland wetlands that sort of thing. Right now at this 276 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: time of year, though, with all the rain that we've 277 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: been having, it's pretty much all a wetland. I mean 278 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: there's probably waste to chest deep water out there. I 279 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: was out there in July and I actually had my 280 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: dog with me and it got up to almost chest 281 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: deep water. He was behind me having a tough time. 282 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: So would people go out there? So he's mentioned hiking, 283 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: would people go out there to kayak? What else do 284 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: people app out? I mean the Mayaca River runs through 285 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the preserve, so yeah, there is kayaking there. There's a 286 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: lot of mountain bike trails as well. It's a really 287 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: really big reserve, so there's a lot of stuff to 288 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: do and there are a lot of places that this 289 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: guy could possibly be What is the reality of somebody 290 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: actually surviving out there in this park for a week 291 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: if they know what they're doing, it's easy, you know. 292 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Right now, there's plenty of water, there's plenty of fish 293 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: to eat. You know, if you know your wide wild edibles, 294 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: you know you'd be fine out there indefinitely if you 295 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: know what you're doing. So do you. Cheryl McCollum, Director 296 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. Is he going to pull 297 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: a Rudolf and Eric Rudolf on us? Absolutely? He is 298 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: absolutely only going to be caught when he makes a mistake. 299 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: Think about the parents. His parents are not searching for him. 300 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: They are not Franni. They're ut in the grass and 301 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: running errands and drinking coffee. They know where he is 302 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: and that he is safe. The reason they took that 303 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: camper and drove with him was not for a camp out. 304 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: It was to drop him off so that they could 305 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: stay in that camper and not have a record of 306 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: hotel rooms, so that we don't know the direction they 307 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: dropped him off him Clime Stories with Nancy Grace Hey 308 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Paul Best in a nutshells as I asked you at 309 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: the beginning of our program, and I still didn't get 310 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: an answer because I let us off track. What does 311 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the indictment alleged one count go ahead? Yeah, Well, the 312 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: indictment alleged the laundry committed debit card fraud and that's 313 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: it that he access someone else's device. It's kind of unclear. 314 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: We've asked law enforcement if this is specifically for Gabby Petito. 315 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I know that's kind of the implication here, but that's 316 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: debit cards forrawl between August thirtieth and in September one, 317 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: which is a three day period. And I also note 318 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: that September one is the day the Laundry arrived back 319 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: in Newport at his home where their trip initially began. 320 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: Paul Best, who has been in Northport from the get go, 321 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: Paul Best, explain what has happened regarding Brian Laundry's parents. Hey, 322 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: there's been a big discussion about was Laundry ever in 323 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: the home after September one? Well, now we know that 324 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: he was the day that Gabby's parents report her missing 325 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: that day. Wow, that's some timing, huh, Paul Best. The 326 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: parents cat him up in their new attached camper, which 327 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: means it kindie dray behind you to their truck. The 328 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: two adults and Laundry all three leave and the attached 329 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: camper is one of the little ones. So what all 330 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: three of them are going to live in the baby 331 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: camp or what happened, Paul missed. It is a bizarre 332 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: chain of events. September. Yeah, September eleventh, that weekend, the 333 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: neighbors who lived directly across the street from the laundries 334 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: tell us that right around that time, they all packed 335 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: up into this recently purchased camper and left for a 336 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: few days. They don't have an exact timeframe for that 337 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: because they didn't think too much of it at the time. 338 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: Gabby hadn't even been reported missing officially yet. But then, 339 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, as things transpired, they thought, wait, that's weird 340 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: that this family right then would leave and go for 341 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: a few days on a camping trip. I'll also say 342 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: that just three days after that, on September fourteenth, a Tuesday, 343 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: is when Brian's parents have told law enforcement that he 344 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: left and went to the reserve. That we were just discussing, 345 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: and that's the last time that he's been seen, according 346 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: to his parents. Hi, Paul, question question. So they take 347 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: off the parents and Brian laundry on September eleven, nine eleven, 348 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: the day the very day Gabby's parents report her missing, 349 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: not them. Gabby's parents report her missing. They take off 350 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: with an attached camp for the three of them, the 351 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: parents come back. Did any neighbor or anybody see Brian 352 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Laundry come back. No neighbors that I talked to have 353 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: seen Brian Laundry come back. The story from Brian's parents 354 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: is that he was back and that he left in 355 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: that silver Mustang that's been parked in their driveway on 356 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: September fourteenth, which is a Tuesday, and then they didn't 357 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: report him missing. This is another kind of bizarre part 358 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: of the chain of events, and the timeline were building 359 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: until the next Friday. So three days later the Laundry's 360 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: called law enforcement and actually reported him missing. Seventy two 361 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: hours is a long time. Take a listen our cut 362 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: one forty six. This is Josh Cascio Fox thirteen, number one. 363 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: That silver mustang, the mustang that was over at the 364 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: police department that has been returned home. In fact, you 365 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: can probably see it right there behind me in front 366 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: of that red Dodge Ram pickup. We also saw the 367 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: Laundry parents leave their home for a pretty significant amount 368 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: of time today. In fact, they just returned home about 369 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minutes ago. Reporters shouting questions at them, 370 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: no response from the family. But when they left initially 371 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I will say that was all caught on camera by 372 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: Fox News cameras. This is right around eight in the morning. 373 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: Then they returned back shortly after with that silver Mustang again, 374 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: it was sitting at the Northport Police Department. Remember that's 375 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: the car that Brian supposedly used to take to the 376 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: reserve where they've been searching to no avail. Now, after 377 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: Laundry's mom parked the car, she got back in the 378 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: pickup and they were seen leaving the neighborhood with what 379 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: appears to be a law enforcement vehicle leaving the neighborhood 380 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: not far behind them. We don't know where they were heading. Unclear. 381 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: We check with police, they wouldn't speculate, So to you 382 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: sure McCallum, Director Cold Case Research Institute, I certainly hope, 383 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that they did check that steering wheel 384 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: of that silver Mustang to figure out who really drove 385 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: it to Carlton Reserve or have the princes been destroyed 386 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: because the parents then say they say they went and 387 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 1: got they went and got the Mustang and brought it 388 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: back so their prince would be all over the wheel. 389 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: Now there's two stories. Are you not that he left 390 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: with a backpack saying he was going to the Carlton Reserve, 391 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: and that he took the Mustang Nancy anywhere did his 392 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: parents tell us to look is bogus. They have decided 393 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: where law enforcement should look by planning that car there, 394 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: possibly certainly going and getting it and driving it away. 395 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: They destroyed any evidence it could have been inside that car. Yeah, 396 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: because the car is already back. The car is already 397 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: back at the home. There's no reason for them to 398 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: even spent a lot of time on there. There's there's 399 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: a reason that Brian's prince would be in there, There's 400 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: reasons his dad's prince would be in there and his 401 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: mom's and that's not going to help them. What's going 402 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: to help them is again looking at the conversations, text 403 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: messages and calls between those three people. You know, Brian 404 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Laundry has got to be using a burner phone or 405 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: some type. Okay to you, Joe Scott Morgan, I agree 406 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: with Cheryl. I don't think they're going to get anything useful. 407 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they got anything useful out of the 408 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: most day. No, I don't think they did either. Into 409 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: Max's point, I think and I don't know. Tell me Mac, 410 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: which you think I If that car was significant, you 411 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't see it in the driveway. They wouldn't already have 412 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: it back. They're going to hang on to this vehicle 413 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: for break it down. Yeah. From a mama's point of view, 414 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: your daughter in law future is miss your son says 415 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to go for a hike, and then he 416 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: doesn't come home. You would be out of your mind, frantic. 417 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: She's not. You would have your siblings and potentially your 418 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: parents and best friends at your side. They don't have 419 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: any of those people. Nothing. They are not out searching 420 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: for that boy. Let me tell you something. Everybody, everybody 421 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: with a camera would be in the front living room 422 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: of that home. They'd all be sitting on the sofa. 423 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: How many times have I seen this on television? People 424 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: would be squalling and weeping and carrying on and everything. 425 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: You're not seeing this. And one more thing about him 426 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: and tracking him relative to all of this and trying 427 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: to figure out where he is. This whole thing is 428 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: going to turn on electronic evidence leading up to this point. Now, 429 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: I got to throw this out there at Nancy. I 430 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: don't know if he's using a burner phone. He may 431 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: be completely in the wind where he is untethered, kind 432 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: of rudderless. That's just out there. He's ditched everything at 433 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: this point, and the only way he's going to be 434 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: able to get by is if someone went out and 435 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: acquired a pile of cash from him, and again, that's 436 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: going to be traceable. You know, if they've gone out 437 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: and withdrawn a bunch of cash and said, here's son, 438 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: here's the cash, good luck, God bless and let the 439 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: door hit you in the tail end. Oh. I think 440 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: that's what they said, because their necks are now on 441 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: the chopping block to Dell Carson, high profile lawyer right 442 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, and former FBI agent, what do you think happened? Well, 443 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious from my perspective, the family's not concerned. 444 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: And there's a reason that they're not concerned. It's because 445 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: they know where he is and they know he's safe, 446 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: and they know he's not in a harm's way. And 447 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: when we try to track somebody in the wilderness, that 448 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: scares the dickens out of family members because they're concerned 449 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: that we will find and get in a firefight with 450 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: the individual and he'll end up deceased, so they must 451 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: know where he is and they're just not saying. So, Cheryl, 452 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: what do you think happened when they took off the 453 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: three of them with that tiny, little attached camper on 454 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: the back of a truck. I think they drove him 455 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: at least twenty four hours away from here. And again 456 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: they used the camper, so they didn't have a money 457 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: trail or a paper trail for hotels. They used cash, 458 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: so they don't know where they bought gasoline or food. 459 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: And that boy is gone, but he will, just like 460 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: Eric Robert Rudolph, make a mistake and law enforcement will not. 461 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: We're talking about Eric Robert Rudolph, who was the Atlanta 462 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Olympic bomber. He bombed not only the Atlanta Olympics back 463 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: in the nineties, but then he rigged a double bomb 464 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: and an abortion clinic and then across the street. And 465 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to remind you, Cheryl, because you were with 466 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: me at the time, that some of that shrapnel of 467 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: the abortion clinic bombing the second one he set up 468 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the abortion clinic bomb, waited for all of the law 469 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: enforcement to get there, and when they were all standing there, 470 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: a second bomb went off that hit My second and 471 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: last investigator of ten years, that Shrapnell hit him, Eric Rudolf. 472 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Then he went and hid in the on the Appalachian 473 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail for what three years I think it was 474 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: before he was caught digging through a dumpster Climb Stories 475 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. That to you, Paul Best, reporter with 476 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Fox Niece, What do you make a Cheryl McCollum's assertation. Yeah, Look, 477 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: I think wherever Brian Laundry is, whether that kind of 478 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: fault that his parents may have driven him far away, 479 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: or whether he is in some part of Florida, some swampland, 480 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: I think law enforcement is going to track them. And 481 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: if law enforcement doesn't do it, I'll just say social 482 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: media and the traditional media also here at Fox News, 483 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: We've gotten a lot of scoops here, and I think 484 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: someone is going to spot them. It's going to spread 485 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: like wildfire, and law enforcement's going to be able to 486 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: track them down from there. I mean, let's just really quickly, 487 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the biggest scoops in this case from 488 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: late August through September have come from kind of claims 489 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: on TikTok or Twitter or Reddit that seems kind of 490 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: innocuous at first, but ended up leading to a big 491 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: break in the case. I mean, just really quickly own 492 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: August twenty seventh, after this kerfuffle, this big incident at 493 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: this Jackson Hole, Wyoming restaurant the way that they found 494 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: where Brian and gab you Witt next About four and 495 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: a half hours after that, a YouTube family that just 496 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: vlogs and kind of tours national parks and puts that 497 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: on the internet. It was them who said, hey, wait, 498 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: we saw that white camper van in Grand Teton National 499 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: Park and law enforcement from there from that tip new 500 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: to search that area, and that's near where they eventually 501 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: found Petito's remains. Tragically, So wherever Brian is currently, I 502 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: am confident that there are people all over the country, 503 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: all over the world, frankly, who are captivated by this case, 504 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: invested in it, and he will be spotted eventually, and 505 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: I think law enforcement will be able to follow up 506 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: on those tips and bring him into were they gone 507 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: with a truck and the attached camper how many days three, 508 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly, just because the neighbors across the street 509 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: who saw it didn't think too much of it at 510 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: the time, but they tell us a few days. We 511 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: don't have an exact time pre Split that in half, 512 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, i'mould split that in half. He's gone three days. 513 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: I'd figure out how far you can get in a 514 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: day and a half. Oh yeah, and a day and 515 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: a half back and another thing. Get that nav get 516 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: the cell phone pangs and the truck navigation instrument and 517 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: figure out where that truck went. Yeah, these digital breadcrumbs 518 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: all the way around. And I think this is a 519 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: great idea relative to how far they could get at 520 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: this point in time. And Lord knows. I mean, there's 521 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: any number of locations you could go to, and any 522 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: number of spurs for interstate highways all over Florida. I mean, 523 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: think about how many of those come together the confluences 524 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: of it. You can go north south, well you wouldn't 525 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: necessarily go that far south, but you can go east 526 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: and west. Certainly, head up north take the ninety five corridor, 527 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: or head out west on the I ten corridor. Seventy 528 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: five you're going up toward the Great Lakes. So you've 529 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: got all of these opportunities to get out there. That 530 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: the trick is, what kind of conveyance would they have? 531 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: Gotten him into in order to facilitate that. And one 532 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: last thing, we can also for get Florida surrounded by water, 533 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: and is there an opportunity he could have hopped a 534 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: boat somewhere? Guys, we were talking about the whereabouts. So 535 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend of Gabby Petito twenty two, 536 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: found dead out in Wyoming. So the indictment is one 537 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: count of debit card fraud up to and over one 538 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which makes it a felony that he used 539 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: between August What was it, Paul Best, between August twenty 540 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: nine and September one? It was August earth in September one, 541 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: thank you, August thirtieth, in September one. They're not saying 542 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: it was Gabby's debit card, but of course it was 543 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: Gabby's debit card. They also are not telling us. And 544 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: I wonder why where he used the debit cards? Doctor 545 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold? Doesn't that just beat all? He's in her 546 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: van using her debit card and she's dead. To me, 547 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: it just goes to show how emboldened he is. I mean, 548 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: the worst thing he's done is to kill her. Isn't 549 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: that right? That nothing beats that. Nothing tops him killing her, 550 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: But all of these other things show to me that 551 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: he has no conscience. He literally has no conscience. I'll 552 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: tell you what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the 553 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: next person he's going to kill that gets in his way. 554 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: I haven't thought of that yet. Thank you doctor Angie 555 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: for fitting that in my head. Joe Carson, how can 556 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: we figure out where the parents took him and that 557 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: attached camper? Well, you know, the reason we know he 558 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: was back September one is there's a tag aunomobile tag 559 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: leader and they're all over the place now ten twenty 560 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: six for falling into Northport that morning. Yep, that's right, 561 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: and so that's everywhere you biquit us now when you 562 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: pass through a toll area. So they'll find out where 563 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: the direction they went with the camper. And my thought 564 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: is that he was always living somewhere around the camp 565 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: or right, so leaving with him in it it just 566 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. How else would you do that in 567 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: order to get your kid out of harm's way. Jackie 568 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: would like to remind everyone that Brian Laundry has not 569 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: been charged with murder. She has yet on there what 570 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: do you think they're waiting on straight out to you, 571 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, what would they need for a murder indictment? 572 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: I think what we're watching is a really good police work. 573 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: I think the fact that they are going to federal 574 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: route with him using her debit card gets them into 575 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: all electronics he would have been using. They're going to 576 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: piece this thing together the right way because they've got 577 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: one shot. And Nancy, I just want to point out 578 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: that he used her debit card, her cell phone possibly 579 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: and her van to try to get away with killing her. Okay, 580 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: we know that, say your conclusion is again, I think 581 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: for potential jars, that's going to be so incredible because 582 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: that normally doesn't happen. You know, they may steal a 583 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: car of the victim to get away, but this person 584 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: has used her money, her you know, then her cell 585 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: phone to send bogus messages, all all of her things 586 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: to get away with this crime. Well, and it also 587 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: tells us most likely that there have been a lot 588 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: of theories about how the camper got back from Wyoming, 589 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: but this is going to confirm the use that the 590 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: use of her debit cards is going to confirm it 591 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: was Laundry because Paul Best, what they're going to do 592 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: is figure out where the debit card was used and 593 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: then go get the surveillance video. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, 594 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where they're at now as 595 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: law enforcement is working backwards and trying to track every 596 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: single one of Laundry's movements, and from there they can 597 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: potentially reach other crimes and indictment. So right now, go ahead, 598 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: jump in. It's important to note that there is no 599 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: federal murder charge. Yeah, that'll be tried by the state. 600 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: The state in Wyoming is going to try that on 601 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: a single account of debit card fraud, You're looking at 602 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: up to ten years behind bars. Right now, we are 603 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: waiting as justice unfolds. Where is Brian Laundry. What is 604 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: the actual cause of death? Twenty two year old Gabby 605 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: Petito Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend.