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<v Speaker 1>Camp Hell Anawaki is a production of I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>The views and opinions expressing this podcast are solely those

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<v Speaker 1>of the author and participants and do not necessarily represent

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<v Speaker 1>discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners, discussion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the biggest disappointment of our lives. The committee

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<v Speaker 1>decided that, yeah, these things are happening. We believe you partially,

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<v Speaker 1>and so what we're gonna do is try to do

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of compromise here, because they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>close the camp down. The deal was, well, Louisa Kennet,

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<v Speaker 1>boys at your home anymore, you really shouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to make you a different title, but otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna leave you alone. And so they said you

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<v Speaker 1>can continue to be the director, that you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>on the campus, and you can't even do with the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and otherwise nothing changed. Two weeks later, we understand and

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<v Speaker 1>he was back out there. Over a year after Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Brenn and Robert Dacastino had reported the abuse at Anawaki,

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<v Speaker 1>a deal had been made. No criminal charges were filed,

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<v Speaker 1>not even an official investigation by law enforcement was had

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Petter had been cleared of all charges under the

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation that he had no future contact with the boys

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<v Speaker 1>at Anawaki, the center would continue with little to no

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<v Speaker 1>change in its operation. It was emotionally painful to me

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<v Speaker 1>to see the lack of concern and reaction by the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities who had the duty to do something about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even mention the name Louis Petter for ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>My experienced an Awake was so disillusioning. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to put into my past. I never did volunteer work

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<v Speaker 1>after that in my life. Never ever, was the end

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Shortly after the hearing, Dagastino received a troubling

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<v Speaker 1>call from the Assistant Attorney General who had represented the state,

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<v Speaker 1>John Hinchy. He told me he was calling me from

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<v Speaker 1>outside his office a public film. He was afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>make the call from his office, and he said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>they've stopped the hearing. He said, yes, they're making a

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<v Speaker 1>deal and they're going to get you if they can. That.

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<v Speaker 1>They have decided that they're going to try and stop

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<v Speaker 1>you from taking the George Bar. They're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>after you hammer and tongue. They're getting a court order

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<v Speaker 1>to seal the hearing documents, and that court orders in process. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can get a copy of the hearing and

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<v Speaker 1>gave me the name of the printer and addressed the

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<v Speaker 1>printer you've got a copy of that, This will protect you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, I had no money. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>was working for next to nothing, was paying tuition, I

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<v Speaker 1>was paying rent sometimes I could, didn't have enough mind

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<v Speaker 1>to eat. I ran a tab at a local restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>because they trusted me that every time I get a paycheck,

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<v Speaker 1>got even them up. So I called a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>mine from Columbia College where I graduated, named Jerry Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>who was trust baby, and he had lots of money.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, Jerry, I need five dollars and I

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<v Speaker 1>need it now. And I explayed the situation and Jerry said,

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<v Speaker 1>give me your wiring instructures to your bank, which I had,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I'm going to my bank now and

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<v Speaker 1>I will do the wire now. He went, he wired me,

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<v Speaker 1>the money, went into my account, took it out, gave

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<v Speaker 1>it to Rose Higbee, one of my fellow students. So

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<v Speaker 1>Rose was able to get it. So I have it here.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the copy of the transcript. Of course, there

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<v Speaker 1>are all sorts of other things that happened. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>past several weeks. We have received a number of very

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<v Speaker 1>serious allegations concerning both the facility out there in a

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<v Speaker 1>number of individuals involved with him. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>form of their therapy. They were told to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time he was fourteen and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years old, they didn't know any better. I asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering

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<v Speaker 1>up for Louis Patter. He had no answer to that question,

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<v Speaker 1>involved having in this situation paid it host little could

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<v Speaker 1>be such a destricable place, and did do absolutely the

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<v Speaker 1>contrary of what they should have done. I'm disturbed a

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<v Speaker 1>little the fact of something its stealed. Water on it,

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Wicked. I'm Josh Stein and this is camp hell.

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<v Speaker 1>In a week around the time of the hearing, Rennan

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<v Speaker 1>Dagastino had moved into an apartment together. One night, sometime

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<v Speaker 1>after the hearing had concluded, they received an unexpected visit

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<v Speaker 1>from a patient at Anna Waki, one of the boys

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<v Speaker 1>who was working with Louie Petter. He came from my

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<v Speaker 1>apartment and Rose Higbee was there and Roger rent, and

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<v Speaker 1>he started telling me all the things that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do to me. One of the kids came in and

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<v Speaker 1>said Dr Petter and his family are going to hurt you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, what are you talking about? And they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna hurt you. And I said, you're talking about physically,

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<v Speaker 1>what other way? In every way? And we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>sworn testimony that I abused the boys. Well, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit angry. The guy came in and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I lied about you, and Bob rand him out of

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Bob has a temper. I've only seen it once.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a couch between him and I. I jumped

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<v Speaker 1>over the couch to try and grab him, be to

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<v Speaker 1>crap out of him, and he went right through the

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<v Speaker 1>screen door. Have you ever seen a rocket take off?

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<v Speaker 1>If this was faster than a rocket, I'd never seen

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<v Speaker 1>anymo operate. Bob has a lot of physical skills my

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<v Speaker 1>own body. He was there, and although he didn't hurt

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<v Speaker 1>the kid, I'm amazed that he didn't. He did run

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<v Speaker 1>him out of the house. So we were both scared,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was very concerned. Anytime I left the home,

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<v Speaker 1>I would turn the light on outside at night, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'd watched and wait for about ten minutes. I

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<v Speaker 1>was scared. Sometimes I went out the back door and

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<v Speaker 1>went around the house to see if somebody was hiding there.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt paranoid on occasions I thought somebody was out

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<v Speaker 1>to get me. Well, we found out, of course, that

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was out to get us, and it was them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were talking about what they were gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>to us. According to the kids, this unwanted visit was

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<v Speaker 1>not the last rend and Dagostino would see for Manawaki.

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<v Speaker 1>Dagostino would later learn that someone had attempted to frame

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<v Speaker 1>him for drug possession. There was some testimony that Peter

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<v Speaker 1>had ordered drugs to be planted in my car. At

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<v Speaker 1>that time. The car I had was a land Rover.

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<v Speaker 1>So the land Rover was somehow locked, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>I never did because I was hoping someone would steal

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<v Speaker 1>the damn thing because it was such a bad car.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, for one reason or another, it was locked

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<v Speaker 1>and they couldn't get into the car, so they put

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<v Speaker 1>the drugs in the wheel well. I went off roading

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<v Speaker 1>that weekend afterwards and was bumpy road and so someplace

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<v Speaker 1>in the North Georgia Mountains. There's this packet of drugs

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<v Speaker 1>that fell out my wheel. Well, we understood that someone

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<v Speaker 1>had placed in Bob's land rover some cocaine in the

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<v Speaker 1>spare tire, and that we were about to be rated

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<v Speaker 1>for pushing drugs. And of course that scared the dickens

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<v Speaker 1>out of me when I heard that show. Really, after

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<v Speaker 1>this incident, authorities showed up at the apartment looking for Dagostino.

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<v Speaker 1>The authorities had been tipped off and the threat to

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<v Speaker 1>get Dagastino arrested proved true. Well, we had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of police officers come to the house looking for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and we couldn't figure out what was going on. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very unusual. They then swad a warrant from my arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was arrested for a soul. I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just sorry I didn't quite get to do the battery.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob recalls his day in court and how the judge

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<v Speaker 1>reacted to his ordeal. I told him some of the backstory,

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<v Speaker 1>but what he was accused me of doing. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>show up anyway, judge says. Kate dismissed Anna wake he

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<v Speaker 1>had managed to slip through the cracks of the Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>legal system. Following their hearing, in Petter, having stepped down

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<v Speaker 1>as director, was replaced by a Mr. Charles Rampley. With

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<v Speaker 1>Petter not in this role, there was nothing that could

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<v Speaker 1>be charged against the Innawaki Foundation. In a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>Chairman Donald Howe to the panel following the hearing, he states, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the Board will of course scrutinize carefully and frequently the

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<v Speaker 1>activities of this establishment, so that it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>this situation has been resolved in a satisfactory manner. Shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after this deal was made to keep Petter off campus grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>a new license was issued allowing in Awaki to continue

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<v Speaker 1>as a child caring institution. Journalist Albert Edgin says this

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<v Speaker 1>oversight and lack of investigation into child abuse was a

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<v Speaker 1>sign of the times back then. It's fair to say

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<v Speaker 1>that the ideas about victims and treatment and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>panoplay were I wouldn't say primitive, but they certainly weren't

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<v Speaker 1>as developed as they are today. Not at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a tendency to not believe victims. Much much

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<v Speaker 1>more acute than it is now, and it can be

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<v Speaker 1>acute now, but the best way to describe it is

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<v Speaker 1>that in the nineteen sixties there was abuse going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and people knew there was abuse going on. Somehow they

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<v Speaker 1>turned their heads to it. But when it finally was

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<v Speaker 1>litigated by the state in a administrative way, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>was it the victims, the targets of the abuse, were questioned,

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<v Speaker 1>their backgrounds were brought out against them. These were children

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<v Speaker 1>who were being treated for emotional troubles, and yet when

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<v Speaker 1>they made these accusations, their emotional troubles were used as

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that they were lying. The difference between then and

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<v Speaker 1>now is that it was almost as if the assumption

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<v Speaker 1>was that they were lying and they had to prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no or very very little wiggle room, given

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<v Speaker 1>very little accommodation, very little thought about the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>they may be telling the truth. Albert says that during

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<v Speaker 1>this time, it would be hard for an administrator to

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<v Speaker 1>even wrap their heads around the idea that this type

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse between a man and children was even capable

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<v Speaker 1>of happening. So think about now, children who are being

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<v Speaker 1>supervised by somebody who is just an abusive guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>having relationships sexual relationships with young boys. In the minds

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<v Speaker 1>of an administrator of a health department in Georgia. He

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<v Speaker 1>can't comprehend that he wants to not believe that because

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<v Speaker 1>he's so confused about the question of homosexuality in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, that that doesn't compute with that guy. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have a hearing, and you have troubled kids and

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<v Speaker 1>this has happened to them, and the guy who has

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<v Speaker 1>been accused says, hey, come on, these kids are liars,

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<v Speaker 1>their pathological liars. I've got the evidence of it right

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<v Speaker 1>here in my psychiatric files. That's the end of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to understand how something as serious as sexual

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<v Speaker 1>abuse of miners could have slipped by local government in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies. To give some context as to what

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<v Speaker 1>led to this massive oversight, you have to look at

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on in Georgia politics at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventy, the same year of the Anawaki hearing, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Carter made the shift from state senator to governor of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Petter's confidant, Jim Parham, who had served as the director

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<v Speaker 1>for de Facts for a number of years, would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to play an integral role in Jimmy Carter's cabinet.

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<v Speaker 1>This career opportunity for parm would greatly affect the future

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<v Speaker 1>of Anawaki. Jimmy Carter ran for governor at Georgia on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that he was going to reorganize government, and

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<v Speaker 1>when he did when he got into the governor's office,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest part of that job, that promise, was to

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<v Speaker 1>take all the health facilities, state health facilities and to

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<v Speaker 1>get him under one big organized umbrella. In order to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, he appointed param to figure it out. Parum

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<v Speaker 1>did figure it out. He did a good job and

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<v Speaker 1>figuring it out, but it had to do with stepping

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of toes along the way. Every legislator,

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<v Speaker 1>every member of the House, every member the Senate had

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<v Speaker 1>a stake in it because their health departments in every county,

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<v Speaker 1>their hospitals. During Carter's time as Georgia governor, the number

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<v Speaker 1>of government agencies dropped from over three hundred to a

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<v Speaker 1>consolidated two overall departments, with the heads of each reporting

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<v Speaker 1>directly to the governor. While this may have streamlined the

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<v Speaker 1>local government bureaucracy, it may have also left an opening

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of oversight. One of the most controversial of

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<v Speaker 1>these consolidations was the newly formed Department of Human Resources.

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<v Speaker 1>It is under this department that every health and welfare

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<v Speaker 1>organization in the state was lumped together. Shortly after the

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<v Speaker 1>hearing regarding Anawaki's license, Jim Parm was put in charge

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<v Speaker 1>as the director of the Department of Family and Children's

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<v Speaker 1>Services or Defacts, the same department which held said hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>A year later, the department would be absorbed into the

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<v Speaker 1>aforementioned Department of Human Resources, with Parm serving as its

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<v Speaker 1>deputy commissioner. As second in command for this expansive department,

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<v Speaker 1>Parum would have sway over a key factor, what organizations

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<v Speaker 1>could qualify as a licensed medical facility. Harm had been

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<v Speaker 1>instrumental in helping Petter get Anawake he accredited as a

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric hospital. That was pivotal for Antawaki because when they

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<v Speaker 1>were accredited as a hospital, they became eligible for third

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<v Speaker 1>party insurance payments, and that made an Awake a gold mine.

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<v Speaker 1>The first correspondence regarding accrediting an Awake as a licensed

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<v Speaker 1>hospital appears to be a letter from the Comptroller General

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<v Speaker 1>of Georgia to Lewis Petter from two In it, Comptroller

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<v Speaker 1>General Johnny Calledwell refers to a meeting with the staff

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<v Speaker 1>of an Awake in review of the treatment center Calledwell

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<v Speaker 1>provides a list of violations of the building which go

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<v Speaker 1>against the requirements of the Safety Code for Hospitals. In

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<v Speaker 1>the trip reports sheets sent to the then director of Anawaki,

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<v Speaker 1>James Henry Evans, it states the purpose of this visit

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<v Speaker 1>was to determine whether or not this treatment center can

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<v Speaker 1>be licensed as a psyche patric hospital. It appears doubtful

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<v Speaker 1>that this can be done under current criteria for psychiatric hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>There is not a building at the site which in

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<v Speaker 1>any way resembles a psychiatric institution. It appears to this

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<v Speaker 1>organization maybe serving a very useful purpose in rehabilitating wayward,

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<v Speaker 1>delinquent or emotionally disturbed boys, but it is done in

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<v Speaker 1>a completely an institutionalized setting, in the relaxed atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 1>a summer camp. This rejection would not be the end

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<v Speaker 1>of Petter's attempt at getting this license. In a string

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<v Speaker 1>of memos provided from the Georgia State Archives, we see

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<v Speaker 1>Petter once again using his friends in high places to

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<v Speaker 1>help move red tape. The documentation that I found that

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<v Speaker 1>showed the relationship between Petter and Parham The most troubling

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<v Speaker 1>of that documentation had to do with memos that param

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<v Speaker 1>had written to other administrat administrators that worked for him

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<v Speaker 1>at the Department of Human Resources at the time, basically

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<v Speaker 1>pushing them to grant this hospital license. They had questions

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and he wrote that basically without saying so,

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<v Speaker 1>and they never do this in bureaucratic documents, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that the purpose of the document was to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them grant this guy this license. The string of

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<v Speaker 1>memos to which Albert is referring to begins innocently enough

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<v Speaker 1>with a letter from a concerned teacher dating from November

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<v Speaker 1>of nine. This would begin a domino effect that would

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<v Speaker 1>forever change the future of Annawaki. In the letter, she

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<v Speaker 1>writes of a mentally handicapped student of hers who had

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<v Speaker 1>trouble adapting to normal school environments but expressed an interest

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<v Speaker 1>in outdoors and camping, whom she believed would be a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect fit for Annawaki. The problem was the ever growing

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<v Speaker 1>cost of enrollment in the program. The student's family could

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<v Speaker 1>simply not afford it. Over the next months would follow

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<v Speaker 1>it back and forth of letters between the administration of

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<v Speaker 1>an Awaki and a number of people from different health

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<v Speaker 1>organizations the state offered to pay the required rate for

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<v Speaker 1>aid to families with dependent children. Administrator of Annawaki, James

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<v Speaker 1>Evans response would be that the rate was so inadequate

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<v Speaker 1>that the institution should not be included among any list

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<v Speaker 1>of programs for whom these rates were established. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't enough money. This was just the opportunity had

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<v Speaker 1>or needed to finally license an Awake as a medical facility,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would call on his friend Jim Para to

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<v Speaker 1>help make it happen. In a letter from ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>PARAM inquired at the Division of Mental Health would recommend

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<v Speaker 1>that Anawaki be granted a provisional license as a special

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric hospital and if so, what steps would be required

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<v Speaker 1>to obtain said license. Their superior he was a deputy

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<v Speaker 1>director of the division of the department. He had written

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<v Speaker 1>this to three bureaucrats who were his underlinks this parallel

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<v Speaker 1>documentation that was in the state archives that shows that

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Peder was pressuring part to accelerate the process. In a

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<v Speaker 1>reply to one of param's inquiries, director of the Legal

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<v Speaker 1>Services Unit Rights, assuming the facility can convince the various

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<v Speaker 1>units making recommendations to the Quality Control Unit. The department

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<v Speaker 1>presently has the legal authority to license the facility without

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<v Speaker 1>any additional legislation. Anawaki was soon fast tracked to receive

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<v Speaker 1>their license to operate in the State of Georgia as

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<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric hospital. In a memo regarding this matter, it

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<v Speaker 1>has stated the quote, if consideration is given to licensing

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<v Speaker 1>this center, we believe it will be necessary to waigh

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<v Speaker 1>physical plant requirements and let the program of services be

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<v Speaker 1>the determining factor. Basically, if the State of Georgia was

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<v Speaker 1>going to give Anawaki a license, a special exemption would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be made around any building requirements. Shortly after this,

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<v Speaker 1>the Division of Mental Health wrote a glowing review of

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<v Speaker 1>an Awaki to the Chief of the Standards and Licensing Unit,

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<v Speaker 1>the department in charge of granting licenses. In March of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, Annawake was granted a six month provisional license

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<v Speaker 1>to operate as a state mental hospital. The special provision

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<v Speaker 1>was made which ignored any violations of the building requirements

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of a medical hospital. Jim Parum followed up with a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to Louis Petter. It read, Dear Lewis, just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick note to thank you for the tour. I was

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<v Speaker 1>greatly impressed with your program and the attitudes of boys

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<v Speaker 1>with whom I spoke. You and the staff deserve great

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>credit for the job you were doing. If I could

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>send more state kids, I certainly would. They all seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing well again. Thanks, keep up the good

0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 1>work as ever, Jim. Not five years after Louis Petter

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<v Speaker 1>and Anna Wake were put on trial, Jim Parum was

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<v Speaker 1>singing their praises. Harms influence would help keep Anna Wake

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<v Speaker 1>in good standing and would later lead to a permanent

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<v Speaker 1>license as a medical facility in the state of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and Awake could collect third party payments from any

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<v Speaker 1>of their patients medical insurance, essentially opening the floodgates to

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<v Speaker 1>increased premiums through which the Petter family stood to make millions.

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<v Speaker 1>Parm in the meantime, would continue working his way up

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<v Speaker 1>the chain of government bodies, ultimately leading to his highest

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<v Speaker 1>ranking government he would take just a few years later.

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<v Speaker 1>When Carter ran for president, he said he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to reorganize the federal government, and he was gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>it in the same way that he had reorganized the

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<v Speaker 1>state government, which he said had been so successful. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he became president, he appointed Parham to oversee that effort. Harum,

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>who was a poor boy who grew up in a

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<v Speaker 1>cotton mill village in the city of Atlanta, went all

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<v Speaker 1>away from the cotton mill villages of Atlanta to Washington

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<v Speaker 1>with Jimmy Carter. Anna Wake had received their medical license

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<v Speaker 1>and now had one of its biggest proponents in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. Serving under Jimmy Carter's cabinet, it seemed nothing

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<v Speaker 1>was shut down the facility. By most accounts, Petter felt

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<v Speaker 1>he was untouchable by the law, and at this point

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<v Speaker 1>he may as well have been. As the seventies progressed

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<v Speaker 1>in a Waky became more ingrained in Georgia and neighboring

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<v Speaker 1>state's way of dealing with troubled youth, wards of the

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<v Speaker 1>state were now being sent there, and the program continued

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<v Speaker 1>to devolve into something much harsher than when it initially began.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the main structures on the Innawaki campus mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in the State Archives licensing documents is the E and

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<v Speaker 1>O Building. This was mentioned in an earlier episode as

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<v Speaker 1>it was formerly known among patients as the Quiet Room,

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<v Speaker 1>a form of solitary confinement which was meant to break

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<v Speaker 1>down patients upon their arrival or for punishment when acting out.

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<v Speaker 1>Evaluation and observation had progressed to being one of the

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<v Speaker 1>cruelest aspects of an awaki, one that every patient would

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<v Speaker 1>be met with immediately upon arrival. Here's Mark Sublett, an

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<v Speaker 1>Anawaki survivor. Your first arrival, you would go in and

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<v Speaker 1>meet with a case worker lady, and then that's when

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<v Speaker 1>things kind of started turning a different way. They told

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>me you would have to be processed and evaluation, so

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<v Speaker 1>you would go to a place called the E. N

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<v Speaker 1>O Unit. So you'd first be led into this little

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<v Speaker 1>room eight by eight. Anyway, they take in and tell

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<v Speaker 1>you you're gonna have to take off all your clothes

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna have to evaluate you and observe you

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you're not gonna harm yourself or do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>For twenty four hours, you're removed of your clothes and

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<v Speaker 1>you're giving a green robe just like at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more concealing, but not much. And then

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you're put into a room and you're locked up for

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours. And that's how you're initially brought into

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the anawaking system. Here's another survivor Chris McKnight. The gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>buzzed the door, and they buzzed you in, and you

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<v Speaker 1>walk into a small fourier with two chi airs and

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<v Speaker 1>a really small round table. The room is about ten

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<v Speaker 1>ft by eight ft. Two doors, both locked, the glass

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>top plexiglass top part of the door. So you go

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>in there, and the first thing you do is they

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>tell you to strip. I had just turned nine ten

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>days before this. I looked more like I was seven.

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I was really confused, and I sat down and said no.

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And so the gentleman leaned over and in a much

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<v Speaker 1>harsher voice, said, you need to strip naked now, or

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do it for you. So I started

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to get pretty scared. I was a very small child.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did I do. I started to take off

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<v Speaker 1>my clothes. I'm naked, and they rolled up my clothes

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and they buzzed me through the other door with the

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>group leader. And I looked to my left and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a day room and there's about fifteen teenage boys with

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<v Speaker 1>their clothes on, and a couple other older gentleman group

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>leaders as it turned out, and they're all looking at me,

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>and I'm standing there naked, and I just start to cry.

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I felt alone many times in my life, but this

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.919
<v Speaker 1>was like I felt like on my own alone. This

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<v Speaker 1>was like a whole another kind of level of being

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>scared and frightened. So they walk you through the day room,

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<v Speaker 1>which is room about forty by forty ft and you

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<v Speaker 1>walk through it, and you go through another door, and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately to your left is a bathroom and they tell

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<v Speaker 1>you have a one minute to take a shower, and

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<v Speaker 1>you take a quick shower, and then they give you

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<v Speaker 1>a robe, a green robe, tell you to put it on.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk out of the bathroom. To your immediate left

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>is a room. They put you in its room about

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>twelve ft by a eight ft with a mattress, a blanket,

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>a pillow, and a bible and that was it. High

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>ceilings with a big plexiglass window at the top, and

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>then they locked the door. And there you spend twenty

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>four hours and they bring you your meals. You are

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>in the room by yourself. It's very degrading. I mean,

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I understand kind of like they want to break you

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>down to build you up, but this was your humiliation.

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't breaking you down to get to the root

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of maybe your problems or your issues, or what's going

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>on in your life. This was just straight up humiliation.

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>There was no need to parade kids through a day

0:27:52.760 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>room naked to enter a program like this. After the

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:05.199
<v Speaker 1>initial forty eight hours of solitary confinement, patients were then

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>put in a room that would be shared with anywhere

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 1>from four to six other boys. Talking was still not

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>permitted at any time, and exercise was very limited. The

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>rest of the days were spent in silence, and patients

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>had to ask permission for any type of movement like

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>going to the restroom. If allowed, you were to follow

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a yellow line painted on the floor and not permitted

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 1>to stray from it. Mark Butler says that like the

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>rest of the Innawiki program, every basic rite, even wearing clothes,

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>had to be earned. It takes you while to earn

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the privileges of being able to wear regular clothes. So

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how long that was in the road flo,

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I think a couple of weeks. Then they allowed me

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to have clothes and pretty much the whole day be clean.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>If you're a real good you got to go outside

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to this little it was like a little triangular, a

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>little courtroom, half the size of this room that you

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>can get a little bit of sign and if you're good,

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>every couple of days and let you go out there

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>like ten or fifteen minutes. The amount of time a

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>patient would stay in I and OH could vary from

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>weeks to months for some patients. Here's Stephen, he attended

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>an awake in the mid seventies. I was probably in

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the n O for a couple of months, which was

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<v Speaker 1>fairly standard. I might have been in a hair longer,

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but I think they wanted to get me outside, you

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>know that. I don't think they wanted to hold me

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>much longer. There's Chris McKnight again. So ian O for

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>me turned out to be I want to say, close

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to two and a half months. Other kids were in

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<v Speaker 1>their shorter other kids were in their long or It

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<v Speaker 1>really depended on you accepting your problems. And I finally

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<v Speaker 1>realized that I was just gonna have to go along

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<v Speaker 1>and say what they wanted to hear to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the You know, I had never been in any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of lock up. I mean I had heard from

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<v Speaker 1>other kids about juvenile hall and that was like jail

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and I felt like I was in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting a child in solitary confinement could wear on them mentally,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes causing mental breakdowns. I had long fingernail shoot my

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<v Speaker 1>fingernails down to like a saw a pattern. It was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to scratch through my veins and my arm. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I literally wanted to die. My whole life had

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<v Speaker 1>been taken from me. They don't really tell you when

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<v Speaker 1>you get there and how the program works, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get to go outside, when you're gonna see other people.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a day to day, stay behind us line,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask questions, and do your word. It was pretty intense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big shock when you first leave home, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course I was only thirteen, so you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>start dawning on what's gonna go on, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going back home, and kind of start I

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<v Speaker 1>break down. You have your own moments, did you start realizing,

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<v Speaker 1>start figuring out what's happening. I remember this one kid

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<v Speaker 1>who went crazy in that twenty four hour confinement and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to punching out the little glass window on

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<v Speaker 1>the door and really messing up his hand pretty bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to restrain him. My second stay at

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<v Speaker 1>Anniwaki happened to another kid. I witnessed the kid just

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<v Speaker 1>went crazy, but he had been an EO for months.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I found out that he had been in

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<v Speaker 1>email for months after that, and they wound up shipping

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<v Speaker 1>the box to another hospital. He never left the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was an ANNI waking for like nine months

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<v Speaker 1>or so. Catherine Perkins is a psychology professor who was

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<v Speaker 1>studied emotionally disturbed behavior in children extensively. She says this

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<v Speaker 1>type of treatment can make a situation with a troubled

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<v Speaker 1>team go from bad to worse. Kids or kids, and

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<v Speaker 1>most kids need engagement, they need human contact, they need more.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are already vulnerable for emotional and mental health illness,

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<v Speaker 1>if you already have that level of vulnerability and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're subjected to further abuse, you're just exacerbating a problem

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<v Speaker 1>that was already there by no means is anything good

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<v Speaker 1>going to come out of that. I mean, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>taking a bad situation and making it worse. Fred Knox

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<v Speaker 1>was only a small child when he was admitted to

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<v Speaker 1>an AWAKE. It was during this initial processing that he

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<v Speaker 1>realized the type of abuse that was about to take place.

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<v Speaker 1>My number was K twelve twenty. I was there from

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<v Speaker 1>August to November one. I was eleven. I was made

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<v Speaker 1>to take off all my clothes and I was told

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<v Speaker 1>to put on this blue, kind of greenish type robe.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't wear any underwear. I couldn't do anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was having people yell fresh meat seeing me crying.

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<v Speaker 1>Tears were just falling out of my eyes. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I was doing. I was made to squat.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if I was going into jail or what.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea it was. It was a building

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<v Speaker 1>called the en O. It basically had about four different units.

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<v Speaker 1>The men the boys were on one side that were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of split up with the bathroom, the offices in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, the rooms on the side, and the middle

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of cafeteria, two little tiny courtyard, the infirmary

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<v Speaker 1>or clinic, I guess as they called it was connected

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<v Speaker 1>to that. You know, you had to go through about

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<v Speaker 1>two or three doors to get to the infirmary. There

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<v Speaker 1>were locked doors almost like every no phone to call

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<v Speaker 1>anybody for Fred. The abusive antawaki was coming from the

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<v Speaker 1>patients as well. I was sexually molested by a student.

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<v Speaker 1>They would do it when other people were supposedly sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it was almost kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>if a counselor group later turned his cheek or turned

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<v Speaker 1>his head the other way. You know, Hey, what can

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<v Speaker 1>I get away with? I had that. I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>thought process, that that was a normal way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Fred remembers another patient who he experienced E and O with,

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<v Speaker 1>who would later make national news. He might have heard

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<v Speaker 1>his name mentioned, but his name was Stephen Anthony Mobley.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess an Awaky messed him up pretty bad. He

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<v Speaker 1>killed a Domino's Pizza manager and shot him in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the head, execution style. Arrested in in Gainesville, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Anthony Mobley became known in the crime world as

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<v Speaker 1>the first defendant to use predisposition of genes as a

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<v Speaker 1>defense for murder. He was executed on death Row by

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<v Speaker 1>lethal injection. Thinking two thousand five, it was Annawak's program

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<v Speaker 1>was becoming psychologically traumatizing for patients. The E and O

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<v Speaker 1>was now the first experience of anyone in the program,

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<v Speaker 1>setting the bar for what would come later. Since Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Wake now had its medical license, it was free to

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<v Speaker 1>expand its program. They would soon begin a girl's treatment

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<v Speaker 1>center and move into other states, even other countries. Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Wake was now accepting patients each year by the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and making a fortune doing so, and without any real

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<v Speaker 1>oversight the damage being done to these patients would only

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<v Speaker 1>get worse next time. On Camp hell in a Week

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<v Speaker 1>and Awake, he had been established for sixty years, but

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<v Speaker 1>by nineteen the numbers were up above six hundreds. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like two different worlds, you know. There was a Aniwaki

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<v Speaker 1>outside and the competitor inside. At that time they sent

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<v Speaker 1>the toughest of the students to Florida. There was another

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<v Speaker 1>guy that got bit by a rattlesnake when we were

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<v Speaker 1>cutting out some and trails. I think the air lifted

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<v Speaker 1>them to Tallahassee. I saw other kids be abused by

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<v Speaker 1>their peer group, and I saw a lot of kids

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<v Speaker 1>being abused by group leaders. I mean terribly so. Camp

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