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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. Celebrity book Club. Who's that

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Speaker 1: knocking at the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horse,

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Speaker 1: it's memoir, it's martinis. Celebrity Book Club can read it

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Speaker 1: while it's hot. Celebrity book Club, tell your secrets. We

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Speaker 1: won't talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud. Celebrity book

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Speaker 1: Club say it loud and cloud. Celebrity book Club. Buzz man,

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Speaker 1: I brought the queer phoe Hey, that's friend. This is

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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club. So the Celebrity book Club. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about a really exciting book that touches on

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Speaker 1: so many issues that are important to us. Marriage, weight loss,

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Speaker 1: cuisine in creams, having multiple marriages, adopting AIDS, aids, good friends, passions, remarrying. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about none other than Elizabeth Taylor and

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Speaker 1: her Nation Why number one bestseller Elizabeth takes off on weighting,

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Speaker 1: weight loss, self image, and self esteem. This kind of

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Speaker 1: gives a hint to what the type of book it is.

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Speaker 1: It says it's a deluxe softcover edition, which is such

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Speaker 1: a horny way to describe well a paperback. It is

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Speaker 1: actually is deluxe softcover. It's big, but the edge of

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Speaker 1: really don't see your typical paperback. The cover and the

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Speaker 1: like faux hardcover. It's faux hardcover, but it's floppy like

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Speaker 1: a soft So we are joined today by a friend,

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Speaker 1: someone who escaped the studio system of Hollywood and has

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Speaker 1: the scars to prove. She medium thinker, philosopher, one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest philosophers of our time. I'm one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people on earth. She got me into this business

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Speaker 1: and she'll get me out of it. Oh my God.

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Speaker 1: Host of the podcast Poog and This Joomed Line August

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Speaker 1: returning to the stage at Cherry Lane Theater, New York

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Speaker 1: City for her groundbreaking one woman show, Get on Your Knees,

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Speaker 1: none other than Jacqueline Novac. Yes, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that plug. You nailed it beautifully. Get on

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Speaker 1: your Kneeshow dot com Gets on Your Knees show dot

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Speaker 1: out for them folks. Remember we're all remember that tide

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Speaker 1: are that? For? Menus? So people should be used to it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess we should dive into the book I Am Dying.

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Speaker 1: So this book is part memoir, it's part diet book.

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Speaker 1: There are recipes at the end, part lifestyle, part lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: part exercise philosophy, self help. I think you see actually

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Speaker 1: the seeds of the wellness movement in this book. And

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Speaker 1: she kind of references the eighties as being this decade

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Speaker 1: when that started, because the me generation than the eighties were,

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Speaker 1: as I think the phrase she uses, right, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I would say, just to preface it,

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Speaker 1: she starts the book by saying like I got fat,

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Speaker 1: how I lost the weight. That's kind of like the intro.

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Speaker 1: No it is, and it's what stunned me about the

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Speaker 1: existence of the book alone and thrilled me. Okay, because

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Speaker 1: no one would write this book too. Oh, they would

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Speaker 1: get canceled in a second, because it's yeah, she talks

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Speaker 1: And she says, you know, she's like when I was

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Speaker 1: have other autobiographies? She has? What I love about this

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Speaker 1: you waiting for your life to take on this quality

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Speaker 1: you've always had an excellent memory, and you and it

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Speaker 1: But I do think that we all do self mythologize

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Speaker 1: And so you have John F. Kennedy, Junior Kobe, you

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Speaker 1: have many naval dreams, submarine dreams. At you don't have claustrophobia,

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Speaker 1: going to the gym now. I'm like, She's like, shut up, faggot.

421
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: She just goes, don't hurt yourself. Oh, you should have

422
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: talked to her before about it clearly, which I judge

423
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: doctors like I always assume they're behind in the industry,

424
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: like they're not because they're not up on that googling

425
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: like me, right, I think I mean you are though. Oh,

426
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: like we've talked about the Stephen, I feel like you

427
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: you identified this or something or you were like, well, no,

428
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there you had said something that was

429
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: just very oh poog made on poog that was just

430
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: really accurate about there. They're sort of I want to say,

431
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: it's their gate keeping in the sense oh yes, yes, yes, yes,

432
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: but you're saying the hystericization, Yeah, the hystericization and the

433
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: impossible position that you're in because they have all this

434
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: knowledge and you have nothing. The power. It's the power

435
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: dynamic is so so so imbalanced right when you walk in,

436
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: and so you have to perform this like good patient

437
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: where you are knowledge when you're bringing things to their

438
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: attention but not seem like you're bringing too many things

439
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: to their attention that they're going to write you off

440
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: as crazy. Well more than like that's a specialist and

441
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: it's it's done, and then you're seeing a busy specialist.

442
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this part in the book

443
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: where she talks about it clicking, and the moment she's

444
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: really delighted by it seems pretty much just the word click.

445
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: She's like, and the first time I heard someone say

446
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: click when Bert Bass said it on a film set

447
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two, and he said, it just clicked,

448
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: And I thought, that's what clicking is. And it becomes

449
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: this metaphor she uses for when she finally sees herself

450
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: in the mirror and she's like, oh, wait, I'm fat.

451
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: I do like the idea that she up until this

452
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: point she has like I'd only see myself in small mirrors,

453
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: like compact mirrors. She says, get a full length. That's

454
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: some big advice. This is in some ways the crux

455
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: of the book is this moment of seeing yourself and

456
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: when she's like, yeah, I really sort of took in

457
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: my body in this full length and I had this

458
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: realization and I took it to mean like she wasn't

459
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: seeing herself as the way that she thinks people see you,

460
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: which is, I think what we usually think of when

461
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: we look at the mirror. We usually at the mirror

462
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, this is what I'm gonna look like

463
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: at a party later. This is what I'm gonna look

464
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: like at the grocery store. This is what I'm gonna

465
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: look like walking into the street. You're thinking of the

466
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: sort of overall impression. You're not looking at your body

467
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: and all its grotesque neudery and seeing Oh, that's the

468
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: sadness and depression I've had for three months. That's on

469
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: the love handle. That's the alcohol I've been drinking. That's

470
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: in you, that's you know, the under eyebags that you know.

471
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: You're not seeing your life and your choices in yourself

472
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: in it. You're seeing like this sort of more superficial version.

473
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: So I took it to mean that she was seeing

474
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: like the sort of the sum of her choices in

475
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: the mirror. That's very interesting. I actually don't find the

476
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: nude to trigger the you know, to click okay for

477
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: the introspection or whatever. Yeah, because for me, the nude

478
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: body and this you know, preps comes from oh live

479
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: nude drawing class in college and that sort of thing.

480
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: But this this idea that the nude body, you know,

481
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it looks like, is beautiful, right, So

482
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: for me, clothes, clothes the moment clothing are introduced that's

483
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: where now clothing is about the gaze, right, yeah, like

484
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: inherently because where there is no gaze, there's no requirement

485
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: for clothing, right, So it's like clothing it is for

486
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: other people in that sense you have to protect their

487
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: eyes from your parts. It's like introducing the human element,

488
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: you know, like the strange animal that is the nude

489
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: body is just that and like yeah, so for me,

490
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: like like nude drawing class, it's just like it's just

491
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: beautiful part of the agree you're like painting. Look here

492
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: am I reass Like even I remember a painting teacher

493
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: like even making a little comment about like he didn't

494
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: say the fatter the better, but it was almost like

495
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: more's going on, you know, there's more to paint, it's

496
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: more to draw. Yeah, right, it's like for me, right,

497
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: it's once it's more of the once you're stuffing your

498
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: all your organs into different clothes along the way, it's

499
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: the more of the swimsuit. What's like going to be

500
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: seen by the people. Well yeah, I mean I feel

501
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: the same way, like look at your clothes. It's it's

502
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: the outside per sap shot. But I guess I'm like

503
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: too you have you ever had the click where you're

504
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: seeing self versus what anyone else if you're not seeing oh,

505
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I look fat in this, and so I'm worried someone's

506
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: going to think that you're being like there it is,

507
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: I mean, there is the thirty three years There she stands,

508
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: and this is what I've done to her, Like I

509
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, have you had that? Well, yes, and

510
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: I do. And I simply applaud if I've broke into

511
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: applause for choice, I've ever I was already standing, but

512
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: otherwise I would have jumped to my feet, myself my

513
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: life standing. Oh no, I mean I don't have a

514
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: lot of mirrors going And so actually the supposed wake

515
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: up calls tend to happen in hotel bathrooms because because

516
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: big mirrors and so yeah, full bleed and something about

517
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: that and the size of those bathrooms. Sometimes it's like,

518
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I can see more clearly just what's

519
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: going on in there, and those are sort of the

520
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: moments of reckoning. But the thing is, like, I don't

521
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: actively seek out those kinds of moments in less like well,

522
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: it's self flagulating, right, I mean it's like it's yeah, yeah,

523
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: it feels too gratuitous to be like, oh, well, how

524
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: dare I? But I do that when I see when

525
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm hungover. That's when I look at myself and I say, damn,

526
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: I do that more with my face. I think it's

527
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: the kind of looking at it and just be It's

528
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: more it's like this is it is because I ate

529
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: cheese a first look andling my ass being like that's

530
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: thirty three years of you ordering the cheese plate. I

531
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: feel like, Stephen, are you telling us? Maybe you're projecting,

532
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: like are you describing your experience? Well, no, I feel

533
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean I had even my whole like working out,

534
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: as I said, like it was more triggered by wanting

535
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: to fit in pants, which I still think is that

536
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: external how I'm seen by the world thing, and then

537
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: also like wanting to sort of manage my health and

538
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: roses and like knowing that that would just make my

539
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: life easier. I don't think I've had the click moment,

540
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was very powerful for her.

541
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: I haven't. Mine's all trapped in fear of how others

542
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, what they'll perceive about me, you know, just

543
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: like total classic, like classic, superficial and security drive our

544
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: everyday choices and we'll continue to do something. I mean,

545
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: that's that's what I love about this book, right, That's

546
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: why this book is undeniably refreshing. Yeah, okay, says Novack,

547
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: because because of the throwback of the of the sort

548
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: of well what's funny, It's like everything is still about weight,

549
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: but you can't say the word weight now, and so

550
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: everything is like it's health, it's health, and people say, no,

551
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: the goals are being thin, the goals being healthy. But

552
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: it's like people are still trying to get trim waistlines,

553
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: They're still trying to look good, and they'll try trying

554
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: to achieve all the things that Liz Taylors Run retrieved

555
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: by putting a scoop of salmon into a hollowed out

556
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: grapefruit peel. I will say, like I feel like she

557
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: is not shockingly not promoting just interrexi and bolimia, which

558
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a shock. Like she is

559
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: saying like, do just keep eating? Like do yes, here's

560
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: my recipe for like fucked up curry mayonnaise and Liz

561
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Taylor's special tomato dip, and all of her chips are

562
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: so like just ketchup mustard mayo mixed to literally ketch up. Yeah,

563
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: sugar filled again. I mean, can we just This is

564
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: her recipe for period summer squash two medium summer squash,

565
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: salt substitute or salt and pepper, steam squash until tender,

566
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: removed to a bowl and mash with fork until smooth.

567
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Add salt and pepper to taste. It's just squash oil

568
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: free vinaigrette. I mean, yeah, that was crazy. May I

569
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: read one of my favorite recipes for yes barbecued squab

570
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: six servings. Remind me with squab. Squab is a game.

571
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Hen I knew it was some kind of games. It's

572
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: basically a little is it foul? It's a pigeon. Basically,

573
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: it's a little fancy pigeon. And you know, it's basically paprika, lemon, rosemary.

574
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: And she's like, and by the way, if you don't

575
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: this is kind of very on a garden of her.

576
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: If you don't have squab on hand, you can use chicken. Wow.

577
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, squab, quail, and game hand are all of

578
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: the same kind of fancy little chicken category. Yes, but

579
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I guess she is saying, like, yeah, keep dipping carrots

580
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: in mayonnaise or whatever in mayonnaise and ketchup and have

581
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: your chicken breast. And I feel like she's like making

582
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: a lifestyle, don't crash. And then I mean everything she says,

583
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know. She describes being really

584
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: depressed from being in a play with Richard Burton after

585
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: they've broken up, and she was like seeing that he

586
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: was going off with her his new wife every night.

587
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Now is depressident. She describes being a senator's wife and

588
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: likes being bored. And I opened, I opened that. I

589
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: highlighted a few moments for this click moment trip to Washington.

590
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: I have a couple of Washington go click, and then

591
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: go to see this is a click in reference to relationships.

592
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: The straw that broke the camel's back came the day

593
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: he told me he'd sold the house and bought an

594
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: apartment at Watergate. He said, I had to get rid

595
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: of all my animals. Click. That was the coup de graw.

596
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I felt I deserved more consideration. He wanted her to

597
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: get rid of all of the And when someone says

598
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: that to you, I click. I love that. Click just

599
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: becomes this thing. Was just like realizing literally anything, just

600
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: having a thought. He comes click now just a single thought.

601
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: She must have had a different metaphor operating in her

602
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: mind about what an idea was before click clicked, some

603
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of news like like perhaps she used to feel

604
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: like ideas sort of just floating vaguely into places, and

605
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: click was like maybe really satisfying, like a once it's clicked,

606
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: you know you're saying, yeah, I mean it is you know,

607
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: just a little definition of the word. So yeah, I

608
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: mean it's fine to say it's it's quick. It's the sect. Oh,

609
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: this is brutal. This was just such a great little run. Naturally,

610
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: I've been asked if I saw the Saturday Night Live

611
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: television skit that featured a coal eyed John Belushi dressed

612
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: in dragged doing a takeoff on the accident. Yes, I

613
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: saw it, and I laughed. He was very funny, how

614
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: ironic and sad that that gifted young man satirized my

615
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: excesses and then died of his own Wow, is that

616
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: not a badge? Oh off, oh savage. I thought he

617
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: was very funny. Oh the s was hilarious. Oh. The

618
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: thing that was brutal was then in her I've never

619
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: been so alone in my whole life talking about her

620
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: time as a senator's wife, right, and then she's like

621
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: John and I never had people in and we hardly

622
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: ever went out. Most evenings, he'd say, why don't you

623
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: go upstairs and watch TV? Pooters, Oh Poters, I wrote

624
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Pooters down. Yeah, no, Pooters being her nickname. It's really

625
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I guess nicknames are often disgusting in baby talk. But

626
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: even poo, I mean pooters does sound like poot, like

627
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: like it sounds a little fat. Yeah, I feel I mean,

628
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: it's almost it sounds like it's she he's making fun

629
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: of her weight, Like with Pooters, He's like, I sell

630
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: those squab barts. She's pootering around up there. I don't know.

631
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I would have been I would have been insulted by that. Yeah,

632
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: it's like he never said anything about my weight. He

633
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: said I love you, Pooters, and you're like, I think

634
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: he was saying, so, I mean, Pooter sounds like you're

635
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: you're tucking into a big dish of Sarah Lee at

636
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: the end of the night, like oh the cross Land top.

637
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Oh wait, okay, so one moment of her or naughty

638
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: your Times when she talks about her in Rock Hudson

639
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: obviously huge five tag Liz Taylor, her and Rock Hudson

640
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the best of friends. While shooting Giant, she goes, we

641
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: go out in Marfa, and we would drink chocolate Martini's

642
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: all night long. Nasty. Yes to be, I've been drawn

643
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: to that. D D never wanted such a nasty combo

644
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: where she's certainly like white Russians. White Russians are delicious.

645
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: They are, they are absolutely I haven't had one in years,

646
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: Bile Steven, get real. Next time I see you, I'll

647
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: order one. You know I love egg white cocktail and

648
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: I will drink al I am literally huge if efactly

649
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: the cocktail I'm ordering it. Sometimes even am likeworth of

650
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: eagtails and I but I do not. Yeah, I guess

651
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: milk frothiness. That adds thickness. The MILFs feels too thick. Sorry,

652
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to call your bluff here. I feel

653
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: like I've seen you order an espresso martini literally once

654
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: an Anguilla and it was a mistake. Parents. Oh my god,

655
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: the results you've been to Anguilla. This is sterical. Okay,

656
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: you're going We vomited. We'd both ordered I mean we

657
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: were literally sixteen. We ordered chocolate Martiniz. We both vomited.

658
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: So there you go. Oh my god, Well that's the

659
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: order that a teen would get. Right. Yes, you're like

660
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: can I uh You're like, yeah, no, I'm super old

661
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and adult. Um, you have no idea. I'm sixteen. So

662
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: I'll have a cinnamon swizzle straight up. Make it a double. Fully.

663
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: It had that like Starbucks swizzle straw in it too. Wow.

664
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I guess if it wasn't for judgment, right, you know,

665
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: if I was at this jazz club, you know, and

666
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: I was getting one drink, you'd want it. You're saying

667
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: the taste forgetting judgment. If it was the chicest thing

668
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: in the world, would you want a chocolate martin? I

669
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: think it would have to be the darkest, darkest chocolate.

670
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: More coffee, more would be more espresso martini with maybe

671
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: a few little cocao nibs. Floating loading onto offloading that

672
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: you have to kind of floaters. That's your next time

673
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: you floaters. That's so gross. Wait, there's one thing I'm

674
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: dying to get to where she talks about I think

675
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: going to a party or something, and it's here. It

676
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: is okay, this is like heavy, like she's going deep here,

677
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: and I'm impressed. Okay, are you ready. So she's talking

678
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: about learning to eat with non dieters, right, So she's like,

679
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: on the first few weeks your diet, it's impossible and

680
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: unwise to dine only in solitary splendor for more than

681
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: a short time. Okay, And she's going into that unwise

682
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: to dine alone when you're dieting. She's I think she's

683
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of trying to say, because you won't be able

684
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: to you can't do that forever. Yeah, Like it's it's

685
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: you need to figure out you have a family. You

686
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: need to figure out a way to like live your

687
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: lifestyle with other people and socially and not just be

688
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: having your little like steamed carrot alone. Like you need

689
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to figure out how to love life. And that means

690
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: logging on for you, logging furtively, logging in the bathroom. Um.

691
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: But she's like, she's like, she's like, I was more

692
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: nervous about what I was going to eat than what

693
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: I was going to wear. Okay, I finally chose a

694
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: dress so tight I couldn't have an extra eat an

695
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: extra lettuce leaf. But it got her through the evening.

696
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: But then here here, this is really stunning to me,

697
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: And this blows me away, She goes. Eventually, I learned

698
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: to take an ornery kind of pleasure in denying myself

699
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: in the midst of plenty. Okay, so if Ronna diet

700
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: in doing well, rub it in, she goes. She goes,

701
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: be outrageously virtuous, and let your exaggerated behavior act as

702
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: a shield. Pass up the wrong foods as though they

703
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: were stepping stones to hell, and let the no thank

704
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: yous fall like rain. I'm sorry. Pullets are like ye,

705
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: pullets are beautiful and hilarious and honest and brilliant, and

706
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: you could never be that savage and real anymore. And

707
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm obsessed with that, because of course

708
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: that is the great joy, Like that is the great

709
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: joy of like seeing everyone around you indulge and then

710
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: and watching the looks on people's faces when they're like, wow,

711
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: she really just said no to that, to the pizza,

712
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: like and because then you rob them of that lie

713
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: that they can tell theirselves. But they're like, oh, well whatever,

714
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: she's naturally thin, like oh she just like she just

715
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: comes easy to her look at her down in that breath,

716
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, bitch, actually, I'm making the choice

717
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: that you don't have the discipline to make or even

718
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: why I look like poor Stephen he can't have this tonight.

719
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: He's on a diet. How not fun for him. But

720
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: then it's like if you said that, you're making us

721
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: all all feel like the orcas, as she says in

722
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: the book, if you're like los and Cram and Brandy Cram,

723
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I could never doling. That's herrendous for me, sorry, just

724
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: for me. I'm sure it's wonderful. The segment diet, what

725
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: does she wear? What does she live? Does she live?

726
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: So let'start with what does she eat? I mean I

727
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: think we know she's having a six ounce skin this

728
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: chicken breast as this didn't here? And um, do you

729
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: mean she isn't her? Do you mean me? Yeah? No, no, Taylor,

730
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: because I said nothing of a of a skinless breast. Yeah,

731
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: you're like me. She is always the royal, she refers

732
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: to the celebrity, brilliant, brilliant, Okay, sorry about that. Whether

733
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: no matter the gender and our segments, it's always we're

734
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, right, because the celebrity is a feminized celebrity,

735
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: is it canonically to seek fame is to be female?

736
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: Do I Okay, so yeah, what do you think she eats?

737
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean, though I feel like we think we've covered

738
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: we've covered it, Yes, we've she it's what does she wear? Kaftans,

739
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Halston now that she's lost the weight, more bespoke Halston,

740
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: tider garments, yeah, the jewels. I feel like, you know,

741
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: she was alive through all of the great decades of fashion,

742
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the sixties, the forties. No, and I'm sure she was

743
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: wearing some pretty eighties workout clothes the woman of her time,

744
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: you know. I feel the hairstyle made it, you know,

745
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: the big eighties hair. Yeah, but she had the big

746
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: circular hair. Circular hair in her case. To me, it

747
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know, that's what I grew up thinking

748
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: of her, as I agree. And so this brings up

749
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: another point. I'd like to bring Elizabeth Taylor, which I

750
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: really discussed it. So I feel like when people say Lisbetyla,

751
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: they almost always se the same breath one of the

752
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: great beauties, right, It's always like Elizabeth Taylor, one of

753
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: the most beautiful women who've ever lived. And it's like

754
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: the same thing they say about like Malon Roe or

755
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: like Adren And like, you know, I think Marilyn. You know,

756
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I totally understand. I think we can all agree that

757
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: the vibe is that you're about to say you don't

758
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: think she's hot. You can't wait to get into this

759
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: is she alive? I've never have you ever seen Cleopatra?

760
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Kat in a Hotten Roof? Well,

761
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: have you ever seen her seen? Like? Yeah, I mean

762
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I've seen like I've seen Cleopatra. I've seen pictures of Cleopatra.

763
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: Have you seen the film Cleopatra? I don't know if

764
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: I've sat down a war maybe, I like my mom.

765
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: I feel like my mom was always watching it like

766
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: as child. But I feel like, if you watch Kat

767
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: and a Hotten Roof and she's in this baby Jael dress,

768
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I think your mind and I can see that she

769
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: that she was very youthful. She talks about her youthful

770
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: appearance and how youth is this thing you shouldn't chase

771
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: because it goes away. I thought that was a very beautiful,

772
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: empowering part of the book as well, when she was

773
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: just like, you're never gonna be young with I chasing youth, Like,

774
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: just be the healthy, good self that you can be

775
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: at that age. But I guess I've never thought that

776
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: her features particularly were like so wildly interesting, like I mean, Jacqueline,

777
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: you have mentioned Giselle, and your podcast has been this

778
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: sort of like gateway to another concept of beauty and

779
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: like facial structure where you're like, oh, like that's what

780
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: people can look like now kind of a thing. Well,

781
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I sort of take that back, because I certain well

782
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't say. I mean, I mean, she's a

783
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, blonde, blue eyed, like tall model, right, I

784
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: mean like you know, no, I mean if she's very

785
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: conventionally attractive in some ways, but I guess but as Saint,

786
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: even by those measures, totally conventionally attractive. And I guess

787
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: I was like, by those standards, I feel like Elizabeth

788
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: Taylor to me is not her face, Isn't that No?

789
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Growing up, Elizabeth Taylor was like an older woman with

790
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: that big hair right for me, And so I was

791
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: confused when it was like she's the most beautiful woman

792
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: that's ever lived. I was like what, And then it's like, oh, well,

793
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: look at young Elizabeth Taylor. Okay, when you look at

794
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: her young, I'm sorry, but when you look at her young,

795
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: said it, I'm like shit, Okay, I think her eyes

796
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: are uniquely like outrageous. I think she has this cat

797
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: like and that, and I think with that black hair.

798
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the photos. I guess I feel like the

799
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: photos in this deluxe softcover, don't I know. I'm looking

800
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: at these old photos of her. I'm just kind of like,

801
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, this looks like a girl I might

802
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: see at a party. Do you think it's this though? Okay,

803
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: to be a brunette at that time was revolutionary. Like

804
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: she it was a little more sex pot her vibe.

805
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: But I guess I think I think it's vibe because yeah,

806
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: because she's she's got the titties and she's got the

807
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: red mouth, and like, I see what you mean when

808
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: you see that photo. Yeah, I'm not If I had

809
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: never seen a movie and I just saw a photo,

810
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, that's an old actress who's pretty.

811
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: But I think it's maybe. Yeah, she had this like

812
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: sexier vibe than most fifties actresses at that time. This

813
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: is to me very interesting because like for me, Marilyn Okay,

814
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: I bow to the the icon that is Marilyn Okay,

815
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: But I'm not convinced Marylyn's stripped down is a particularly

816
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think Maryland. I think the

817
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: thing about Maryland even more so than betailors. There is

818
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: no stripped down Maryland. Maryland is Maryland. Maryland is the

819
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: idea of Maryland. Maryland is the blonde hair. It's the dress,

820
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: it's the wind, it's the boobs, it's the coquettishness, it's

821
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: all of that. I feel like Audrey Hepburn and Elizabeth Taylor,

822
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: they're they're treated as a like a phenom like quality

823
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: of beauty, like like a gifted from birth with this

824
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: like it's a rare animaliable beauty. I feel like that

825
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: is what is like said about those two, right. I

826
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: feel like I grew up thinking people were like Audrey

827
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: Hepburn and Marilyn and Ron Elizabetla the most beautiful women

828
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: to ever be born and lives because times in shape.

829
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to people even look because like

830
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: what I think now, it's like I mean like Cindy

831
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Crawford and then getting into Giselle and I think like

832
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: their mouths are like bigger, they take up more real

833
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: estate on the face, the jawline is more angular for

834
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: like both those women. It's like the eyebrows have a

835
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: more kind of like flatter whatever vibe to them, And

836
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, when I look at Lizabethailer, it's

837
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: like I don't see those features coming together in the face,

838
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, maybe faces didn't look like that back then,

839
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: and that's part of it. But I'm also like to

840
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: have also changed. So she's rocking a serious boy brow

841
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: on the cover by the way you thick brows were

842
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: in them. But also I feel like when we were kids,

843
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: is she when she talks about these tabloids like National

844
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: enquire my childhood members, like Liz Taylor was they. I

845
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: do feel like every week, if it wasn't Antanya Harding

846
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 1: or Monica Lewinsky, it was just like Liz Taylor has

847
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: gained even more ways. That's the Elizabeth Taylor grew up with.

848
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: Like same with Frankly, like like my first introduction do

849
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton was about like with boob jokes, Like there

850
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: were these Dolly Parton jokes. It's like the similar thing.

851
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: It's very weird, like where you enter the culture, yeah,

852
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: that's what they really are. Rather you enter at like

853
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: this obese woman Liz Taylor, and then you realize why

854
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: they went so hard because they see it as like

855
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: her falling from shame of being the fifties sex part right,

856
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: that's why so outrageous. Grands do you know where? Okay,

857
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: how does she live? So? Yeah, to segue into how

858
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: does she live? I mean, I feel like her Beverly

859
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: Hills house is the most old Hollywood like plush, three

860
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: little dogs, you know, velvets and silks and Renaissance, and

861
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: even when she's dying, it's yeah, I mean I just

862
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: feel like there's Sinnamy bed fabre. Yeah, fabric everywhere because

863
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: I think about that woman that you clean for it.

864
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: That's just everything is covered in fabric. Fabric. In the

865
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: bathroom it's like, oh yeah, upholstered tables up, it's like

866
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: upholster toilets. Yeah, oh this chairs, you know it's Louis

867
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: the fourteenth. And then but that's your good friend who

868
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: is a producer, and that's his goblet from the great

869
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, Tennessee Williams No. And it's almost like living

870
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: a museum. I think that there's just so much history.

871
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: Everything is a gift from a friend, is a framed

872
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: photo for another friend, business is a book from someone

873
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: who died it's a letter opener for someone who died

874
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: tragically in an accident. It's very definitely like General Sutton's.

875
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, my third husband gave that to me.

876
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: He wanted an auction. Yeah, you know, no, exactly that.

877
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: Those are exactly the details that seem to accumulate in

878
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: a life like Elizabeth Taylors. You know, it's like I

879
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: go to State sales and get sort of many versions

880
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: of that. You know. I also feel like the items,

881
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: like the items procured during travels fill those homes. Mm

882
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: so true. Yes, brought that back to China. Yeah, China.

883
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: I was watching, um, Michael cores in like a d

884
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 1: like video of his condo in Trabeca or something, and

885
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: it's just like everything is from his travels, but it

886
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: all looks exactly the same. It's all these just like

887
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: neutral bowls that are random and and this ball and

888
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: we got we got this ball in Malaysia. Were like,

889
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: we love balls. We got this in Rotterdamnum. What can

890
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: I say? We love balls? Oh my, they totally all

891
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: could be from just like you could. I know they've

892
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: all got them. Cratty barrel. It's um. You know, you

893
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: start to have this set it that you just can't escape.

894
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's like my parents with like turtles, and

895
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: it's like there's the turtle from South Africa, there's the

896
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: turtle from the Turtle, and it's just kind of like, well,

897
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: they're all just turtle. It is nice, though, I mean

898
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: I do kind of respect the choice to commit to

899
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: a thing in that way, like at least you know

900
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: what you're buying. At least you know to keep your

901
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: out for a turtle and get out of there. You

902
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: know we're going in for art signifier. It's to help people,

903
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: to help your friends because like you just have to.

904
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: You end up spending decades buying your other friends useless things.

905
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: And there's always another birth day or Christmas and what

906
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: do you what do you get? The woman who's into

907
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: rooster is another rooster? Would what would you have gotten?

908
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: My aunt Doris? You know? Another fish? The hell of

909
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: giving birthday presents year, Like, I love giving and buying

910
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: presents so much, but I'm like thirty years from now,

911
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: I've been thirty years from now when you're just like,

912
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: oh God, what do you want? I think it should

913
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: not be an expectation that if you get someone a

914
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: birthday gift one year that automatically, it means you're always

915
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: getting them one Like I think people need to understanding.

916
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Some years, I've got it in me. Some years, like

917
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: I know it's your birthday in advance, and I create

918
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: a plan, you know what I mean. Like, but some

919
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: years I'm not, that's not happening. I think that's okay.

920
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I think you know, you send a Christmas car once

921
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: o for seven years, you're doing pretty good. Also if

922
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the present comes to you, don't it if an amazing

923
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: present idea comes. But yes, yeah, I'm not you know,

924
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you're really good. It's all about seeing something

925
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: and you know that's the best. Your birthdays in December.

926
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: When I find something in July, I tuck it away

927
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: in a closet and I think that's gonna be fine,

928
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: that'll be fine. No, do you literally summer we've done

929
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: that for each other, but not every year, not even right, No,

930
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: it's only if it happens. But David Darius talks about

931
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: you know, Hugh his partners husband and you know long

932
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: time and Hugh in the in summer they're they're sweltering,

933
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: they're dying of heat, and he'll like buy an air

934
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: conditioner and tuck it away for Christmas July. And it's

935
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: like sitting in a box wrapped. He's like, this is

936
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna make a good good aren't funny? I mean that

937
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: just really piss me off. Like, oh, my humorist husband

938
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: is so funny. Watched me sweat for a season so

939
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: he could give me this. I know it wasn't Sedarius.

940
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: It was huge, to be clear. Oh yeah, So Darius

941
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: is telling a charming story about Hugh, which I always

942
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: enjoy right when the when the top has a sense

943
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: of humor, that's always fun. I love when you when

944
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: you back up to laugh your ear drums. Yeah, okay,

945
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: who are you in the book? Um? Well, my Todd.

946
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Of course I know nothing of my cat. I just

947
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: plopped his name. He's the one who dies right in

948
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: the plane crash, but one of her great loves. Oh god,

949
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm a half cappetuna salad. Yeah, I'm

950
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: a I'm a grapefruit where you shell out the fruit

951
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: and discard it and then just it's not real literally

952
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: in a rind, because that's the salad in the rind.

953
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: As like this sort of clever sort of Panera bread

954
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: ball ask serving dish, and I assume maybe that grapefruit

955
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: is supposedly has to be used in some sort of

956
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: Santa fe ask fruit salad for another breakfast that's like

957
00:53:52,719 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: slim mozzarella cheese, grapefruit pick fat mazzarella, mazzarella marilla. I

958
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: think you're oh sorry you answer, I mean, well, yeah,

959
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: we can go either way. You can you can, yeah,

960
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: you can, you can pass it around. I guess maybe

961
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: you are the woman with the log, because I think

962
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: you would get a real kick out of bring the

963
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: log to a dinner party. Yeah, I feel like you do,

964
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: Loghand occasionally, I guess you're might be more laptop at

965
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: the cafe. I do. I am, although I just laptops

966
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I can't go, Longhand, I don't

967
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. Neither is working for me either,

968
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: neither typing no nor writing to find another way. I

969
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: would be more of the tape recorder, you know what

970
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the the idea of absconding to

971
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: or not even absconding, just at the table, just going

972
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: six ounces. Well, Rice, I was advertising photologging app where

973
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: you log all your food only by taking a picture

974
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: of it and like a nutritionist on the other end

975
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: is like stop, stop now or whatever. What's funny is

976
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: that you've sort of disguised it as potentially you're just

977
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: taking a photo it for Instagram, the idea that that's

978
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: less embarrassing than sending its society we live in. Yeah,

979
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I mean, I guess, I

980
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: just I feel like I'm different elizabeths at different times,

981
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: and it's like I identify with the pain of having

982
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: to be in that play with her ex husband, even

983
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: though I've never done that. Every single night, I can imagine,

984
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: like you want to kind of how I want to

985
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: have that pain. I want that trauma, you know. I

986
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: seek those painful, dramatic moments. I seek for running into

987
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: the X and having the heart pounding and you know,

988
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: and and looking good and being there with your new

989
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: boyfriend or looking like shit right and all your friends

990
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: gather with you. Is he walks out stage left yea

991
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: with his new wife. Can you believe him? Yes? I

992
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: just I you know, to me, that's what life is

993
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: made up. So you you you court those experiences for

994
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: the for the highs and lows, Yeah, to feel alive, Yeah,

995
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: and to make me think that that you know that

996
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: mythologizing a previous moment then makes that moment more important,

997
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: and then you know then then it meant something to then,

998
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: which means that you have lived a life now, and

999
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: so you just always have to be dramatizing your own

1000
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: encounters with the past and your present. Otherwise the past

1001
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: was meaningless if if it doesn't knock the wind out

1002
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: of you today Jesus, no, no, absolutely, you're also because

1003
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: yeah you're Liz, because you're also marrying like a senator

1004
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: for your seventh marriage. I would love to do that.

1005
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: I actually just learned, aside from this book that she was,

1006
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: like I think at this time, instrumental in like making

1007
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan at least like say the word AIDS for

1008
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: the first time, because she was not a right that

1009
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: was a big that was a big thing. I feel like,

1010
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of her legacies, right, her legacies

1011
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: is AIDS. And I feel like like dealing you know,

1012
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: attacking it or whatever, um. And I do feel like,

1013
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, she is one of the very few celebrities

1014
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: who I feel like has a sort of legitimate connection

1015
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: to her charity work where she really she really has

1016
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: put in the time and she's kind of picked one

1017
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: like ship and sailed with it. She's not fucking just

1018
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: like an alba, like dipping her toe into anything that's

1019
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. Well that's also very eighties. You know, there's

1020
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: not many things going on, and it's easier to choose

1021
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: one because it's yeah, there's now there's too many, right, right,

1022
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like in the calls you on

1023
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: the phone, you know, and says there's any shoe and

1024
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 1: you know you're not. It's not signed, this petition dated

1025
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: with petitions story daughter, it's like this Taylor's not making infographic. Yeah.

1026
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: And then Jacqueline, I mean, is there anyone that you

1027
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: really resonated with any any even minor character. Um, I'm pooter, right,

1028
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I know that still Liz, But but watching TV upstairs,

1029
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like heaven. Yeah, pitter pattern around

1030
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: someone just saying go watch some TV upstairs. That did

1031
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: seem so sweet and touching and yeah and kind of

1032
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: adding up in your silk pgs. Yes, and to have

1033
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: been in Hollywood, Okay, see when she says it there

1034
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: and I love it like that she didn't care about

1035
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: how she looked because she was a senator's wife like

1036
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: it was like, my role is not about beauty right now,

1037
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: my clothes are not, like, so why would I be

1038
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: thinking about that? You know? Like I actually did relate

1039
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: to that a little bit in the sense that, like,

1040
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: if you're pursuing you know, showbiz as we here are, right,

1041
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: among other things, you become aware that there are contexts

1042
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Speaker 1: in which you're really thinking about your parents, perhaps right.

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Speaker 1: But then as a result of that, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm a total slob all the other time, because I'm

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Speaker 1: like in my home, I'm like, it doesn't matter the

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Speaker 1: cameras aren't on, and so then I'm almost I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I understood the sort of compartmentalization distinction between well and

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Speaker 1: she says image and self image and public image and

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Tell of the actress Elizabeth Tell of the woman

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Speaker 1: politician's wife. Yeah, I mean at the same time, though,

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Speaker 1: she's making this connection between how you look into how

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Speaker 1: you feeling vice versa. I'm more of a like I

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Speaker 1: will put on my nice sweatpants at home because I

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Speaker 1: want to show my husband that I care, that I'm

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Speaker 1: putting totally, that I'm putting effort into our and our

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Speaker 1: domestic little fantasy here because you know, you want to

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Speaker 1: say the home is reality, and oh and walking around

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Speaker 1: is real. Book, guess what. The home is a fantasy too.

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Speaker 1: The domestic is a little show you're putting on too,

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Speaker 1: so you might as well. Do you have a gross

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Speaker 1: pair of sweatpants that? Do you only have expensive sweatpands?

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Speaker 1: I have? I have a gross pair that I like,

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Speaker 1: where did the where did the gym? Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: short talk about another I mean talk about the different moments.

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Speaker 1: Then I am performing the gross reap pants because it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like because it's you're not kind of him like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's like, fuck, I just gotta I just

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Speaker 1: gotta get in a workout. Yeah yeah, yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm the Liz. Honestly, I'm cheat Day Liz. I'm

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Speaker 1: ride Chicken to the friend she says, to watch out

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01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: for he goes over to your apartment and opens your friend.

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Speaker 1: She says, there's a type of friend that comes into

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Speaker 1: your house, doesn't even talk to you, doesn't even greet you,

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Speaker 1: just opens the fridge, and that that's who I am

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Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, I come in here, get out of

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Speaker 1: my way. But naughty, it's not. It's just a casual

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Speaker 1: It's like, I just want to know what's going on

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Speaker 1: with you and your fridge. It's me getting to you. Great.

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: It's like a dog sniffing another dog's asshole, like you

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, you first door happening. You know. Oh, have

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Speaker 1: you've been cooking at home a lot this week? That

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: changes the vibe. Oh, there's nothing in here. You've had

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Speaker 1: You've had a wild week, been out on the town.

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Speaker 1: I sniffed the fridge. I'd love to get a picture

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Speaker 1: of both of your fridges doors open. Please, Oh god, Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's post our fridges for fun with that. I'll do it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. Okay, this was such a joy. Jackie

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Speaker 1: Journey Jacqueline takes off. I've often said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: never happier than when I'm in context with you. I just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it just free. I love you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: I have the best time with you, to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: It's like make a wish foundation. I mean, as as

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Speaker 1: my mother said the first time she went to dinner

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Speaker 1: last summer, Oh what do you mean the first time

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Speaker 1: she went to dinner, The first time she went out

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Speaker 1: to a restaurant like after you know, quarantine and ended

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Speaker 1: on Nantucket ended last year. You mean yeah, started doing

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Speaker 1: outdoor distance mass whatever. And we were at a restaurant

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Speaker 1: and she just goes, I feel human. Oh again, I

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Speaker 1: need to meet these people, which is how I feel

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