Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to episode with Chris Daughtry. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: to see you man, Good to see you. You know
Speaker 1: you walk, you walk into the house and you have
Speaker 1: and here's my issue. Now, I explained to you a a
Speaker 1: problem that I have. I have a have a chain,
Speaker 1: a single chain, and I feel like such a douche
Speaker 1: because I can't wear jewelry and I was given this
Speaker 1: chain and I thought, I'm gonna try to wear because
Speaker 1: I'm not cool, Like you have a cool look. You
Speaker 1: at the tattoos, totally cool. You have the rock you
Speaker 1: have the rock and roll guy, and you have a
Speaker 1: lot of bracelets and you have the necklaces and it works.
Speaker 1: It maybe overkill. I feel like such a goober though
Speaker 1: in a single chain it looks cool, you know. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I usually rock a single chain, and today
Speaker 1: I was like, do I wear my stones or do
Speaker 1: I wear this? And I just said, let's just do
Speaker 1: it all on. But you can but that that it
Speaker 1: fits like I'm like white Urkle, I'm like Country Urkle
Speaker 1: with the chain on. Mike, what do you think of
Speaker 1: my chain? Is it still turn your microphone. What's on
Speaker 1: it is nothing. I'm just an emulett. Let's see, that's
Speaker 1: even cooler. It's not trying to be anything. It's just there.
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like I am. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be anything. I'm just here. But that's okay, Right,
Speaker 1: we're we're all like trying to figure out who we
Speaker 1: are and what we're doing, and we're all copying something
Speaker 1: or another. So you have a lot of tattoos. I
Speaker 1: do a lot. Yeah, this is still a work in progress.
Speaker 1: Um on your this is your left arm. You just
Speaker 1: touched and I don't I can't really see what it is,
Speaker 1: but it's it's heavy, it's it's a lot of cover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder what that cost and how many hours going
Speaker 1: to almost so from your shoulder looks like from your
Speaker 1: shoulders you elbow is pretty much all black with a design. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about two grand and twelve hours plus the outline.
Speaker 1: It's about fourteen hours worth of work I did. We
Speaker 1: did twelve in one day and that was just laid
Speaker 1: in a chair every time. Man, it was dude, I
Speaker 1: was after six hours or ithing like, what the hell
Speaker 1: was I thinking? And if have you ever had like
Speaker 1: the worst sunburnover and then take that and like have
Speaker 1: cat scratch fever or something. You know, like it's just
Speaker 1: like sandpaper on sunburn. But you know it was. It was.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm one of those people that like to
Speaker 1: get it done and be done with it. You have
Speaker 1: on your back. Unfortunately you do, you have you I've
Speaker 1: got the speaking about being douchey. My first tattoo was
Speaker 1: my own last name on my back. I made a
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes when I was twenty six, by the way,
Speaker 1: So you got that at twenty six, Yeah, right after
Speaker 1: I was on idol. What font though, that's a big
Speaker 1: part of it. See, that's the douchey part. It's an
Speaker 1: old English It looks kind of like um, almost like
Speaker 1: the font you would picture godsmack being written in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like it's funny, it's god. There's a god
Speaker 1: smack font in my mind. Oh yeah, you nailed it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So um. It was one of those things where I
Speaker 1: get off the show and they have this whole home
Speaker 1: coming and and people are coming out of the woodwork
Speaker 1: and You've got Hardy going, hey, we want to give
Speaker 1: you a bike, which I never ride. So I was
Speaker 1: like oh, that sounds cool. Then I found out they
Speaker 1: weren't really giving it to me. They were just wanting
Speaker 1: me to ride it and sport their their brand or
Speaker 1: whatever at the local station. And then they then this
Speaker 1: tattoo shop was like, well, tattoo you for free. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I've always wanted a tattoo, but at
Speaker 1: the time, I hadn't had none, had had no tattoos,
Speaker 1: and and I think the coolest thing I had done
Speaker 1: at that point, right before I went on the show,
Speaker 1: I was had my labre prest and then I took
Speaker 1: that out pretty soon after because I kept grabbing it
Speaker 1: with my teeth when I was trying to eat. Said
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know by just us saying lebre but it's
Speaker 1: the like the chin. Yeah, it's like it's like where
Speaker 1: they call the soul patch where uh you know, it
Speaker 1: had a spike and it was Yeah, it was painful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, that was It was actually more painful
Speaker 1: when your tooth would catch it when you're eating. I
Speaker 1: eat really fast and it would end up and inevitably
Speaker 1: grab it every time. And I got to the point
Speaker 1: I was like, fun this, I'm ripping this thing out
Speaker 1: and and I never went back. But then I wanted
Speaker 1: a tattoo. Doing all the things I'm like trying to
Speaker 1: trying to fit into this rock. I don't know, I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, I always I wanted a tattoo,
Speaker 1: remember being there's a reason why they don't give nine
Speaker 1: year old tattoos. I wanted the bat symbol tattooed on
Speaker 1: my chest as as a nine year old. And I
Speaker 1: was like, man, if they could, if I could get
Speaker 1: a tattoo, I would totally do this. In hindsight, like
Speaker 1: I know me then I would have absolutely done it
Speaker 1: given the opportunity. Well, let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: If you had to go back and either get the
Speaker 1: bat symbol now on your chest or your name read
Speaker 1: down on your back, I would do the bat symbol
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat way less if you had to pick
Speaker 1: one of the Yeah, it was one of those things.
Speaker 1: My wife was like, well, you know you you said
Speaker 1: you're gonna call the band daughter. You know. I worked
Speaker 1: at a car dealership and everybody always called me by
Speaker 1: my last name. They always called everybody of the last name.
Speaker 1: It was kind of I don't know, it sounded like
Speaker 1: a military thing, like hey, daughter to do this, do this,
Speaker 1: you know. And and so when I was coming off
Speaker 1: the show, was like, I wanted to be a band.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be like a solo pop artist.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a band. That's what I grew
Speaker 1: up listening to. That is what inspired me. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, well, we could always call it Daughtry
Speaker 1: for you know, name recognition, say, kind of like the
Speaker 1: Bojovithing and and so she was like, when your last
Speaker 1: name is not gonna change, so let's just just do that.
Speaker 1: You know. How do you feel about that name of
Speaker 1: the band dodtry, coming right off the worst band name ever? Think?
Speaker 1: So is that something that you woult because of the name? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a big thing, and I wanted I didn't
Speaker 1: like that was my least like that was my best
Speaker 1: worst option, you know. I was like, well, we gotta
Speaker 1: go with something recognizable. Um, I can't just come out
Speaker 1: with some random band name coming off the show like that,
Speaker 1: because then you know, nobody's gonna know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I could have, and it worked.
Speaker 1: It's tough though, to explain for Jared Letto after though,
Speaker 1: they had a I mean really after It's like it
Speaker 1: was hard. It's hard to puncture mainstream until something does it.
Speaker 1: I mean, in thirty seconds to Mars had a song
Speaker 1: before I think most of America realized oh, that's the
Speaker 1: actor too. Yeah, people didn't even remember my so called life.
Speaker 1: They were just like, oh, he looks kind of familiar.
Speaker 1: Now you're right, I guess the band broke before he
Speaker 1: actually broke As a it was almost a cool thing
Speaker 1: on the side. It was kind of like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love this song, and did you know it's also Jared Letto.
Speaker 1: And then it became Jared Letto's band and it kind
Speaker 1: of manifested back into But they're also just really good.
Speaker 1: Like it always comes back to doubt that there are
Speaker 1: a million actors trying to have bands, but unless you're
Speaker 1: really freaking good, it doesn't matter. Yeah, and he's really good.
Speaker 1: He's great. Talk to him. Probably six months or so
Speaker 1: ago I saw him and I think Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: I went up to him and he's warning this whole
Speaker 1: Jesus outfit with the beer and it all looks like Jesus, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he smells so good. Yeah, and he does like
Speaker 1: a guy like that was picturing like more Petuli kind
Speaker 1: of me too. He smells like kind of like Valentine's did.
Speaker 1: If I had to pick up a smell could roses like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just wanted to love him, you know, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I've met him briefly and that was in his more
Speaker 1: of his uh eyeliner days, the red hair and the eyeliner.
Speaker 1: So it was briefly at like a Grammy's party or something,
Speaker 1: but never really had a full conversation with him. Let me,
Speaker 1: seems like a cool guy though. Yeah, it's real nice
Speaker 1: to me. He didn't have to be nice to me.
Speaker 1: It was super nice to me. So let me play
Speaker 1: some of the number ones here, it's not over. Here's
Speaker 1: this one. I was doing a pop and rock and
Speaker 1: hip hop when this song was out. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think we spoke, didn't We probably listen. We had
Speaker 1: a not so good experience, and we can we can
Speaker 1: talk about that. But I would love to the play
Speaker 1: by play. We'll get to it. We'll get to it.
Speaker 1: Let's run to the songs and then we can actually talk. Okay. Cool.
Speaker 1: So that was two thousand six or seven. Two th
Speaker 1: six or seven. Yeah, Yeah, that was the first one, right,
Speaker 1: that was the first song. You co wrote that, so
Speaker 1: you actually made some money off that? Yeah? Yeah, I UM.
Speaker 1: I actually kept telling my producer at the time. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is gonna be the single, this has
Speaker 1: to be a single, and he's like, label's not gonna
Speaker 1: go for that, and um and they did and it
Speaker 1: worked out. I always just felt like there was it
Speaker 1: was like the perfect hybrid between, you know, the grunge
Speaker 1: that I grew up listening to and the the accessible
Speaker 1: rock that was on the radio at the time. Did
Speaker 1: you feel like you had to meet a certain radio
Speaker 1: standard when you were making music early on? Did you
Speaker 1: feel like you had to sort of chase something? And
Speaker 1: I think I did it inherently, um, just because not
Speaker 1: necessarily chasing. Let me rephrase, I think I did it
Speaker 1: based on what I loved at the time. So I
Speaker 1: kind of modeled what I was writing around the bands
Speaker 1: that I was into at the time, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: really paying attention to lyrics. I was into bands like
Speaker 1: Live and Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Tool Like. I wasn't
Speaker 1: paying attention to lyrics as much as I was the
Speaker 1: melodies and the way it grabbed me, you know. So, um,
Speaker 1: So I remember writing a lot heavier and a lot
Speaker 1: more just I wasn't really paying attention to the story
Speaker 1: so much. It was more just thoughtless lyrics. And then
Speaker 1: I think I started paying more attention to the songwriting
Speaker 1: aspects and the and the storytelling and things. Uh. In
Speaker 1: my later twenties, I started going back and listening to
Speaker 1: you know, Elton John and a lot of the singer
Speaker 1: songwriters that inspired the people that I listened to and
Speaker 1: kind of did my homework that way. This one was
Speaker 1: a monster home Come on, I wrote that one all.
Speaker 1: I wrote that, like right before going on idol Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's is that the monster jam that you
Speaker 1: play during a show when everyone's like everyone knows it
Speaker 1: is that the one? And you know it's crazy, Like
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, but it's also the one song that
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I had to pick a song that
Speaker 1: I'm tired of playing, like, that's the one. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's the most impactful. It's I was
Speaker 1: looking at your interview with Mayor and you guys started talking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I've had this same conversation.
Speaker 1: It's it's the ones that that feel like I didn't
Speaker 1: really work hard to write this. This kind of like
Speaker 1: fell in my lap. I wrote it, kind of wrote itself.
Speaker 1: It's like the first five chords I ever learned how
Speaker 1: to play on guitar, you know, and uh it's the
Speaker 1: one that has had the most impact around the world
Speaker 1: as far as like like the troops, military families and um,
Speaker 1: you know, so many like people of like that come
Speaker 1: to me and said, we used this to send our
Speaker 1: uh A family member off at their funeral. Like all
Speaker 1: kinds of different usages for the song that I never
Speaker 1: thought of when I was writing it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm about to leave my house, you know, and go
Speaker 1: on American Idol for uh, you know, I've never like
Speaker 1: left my wife and kids on and I have no
Speaker 1: idea what I'm about to do or get into and
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And I'm in l a. We
Speaker 1: all lived in North Carolina at the time, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of got in that mindset like what it's
Speaker 1: like to be away. I didn't even know what it
Speaker 1: was like a foreshadowing, if you will. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: the John Mairic conversation was for me for someone to
Speaker 1: understand what I was talking about. Because if you go
Speaker 1: back and there's an older episode if you're listening now,
Speaker 1: or I was talking to John May and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: some of these jokes that are just so easy and
Speaker 1: down the middle for me, I don't even like telling,
Speaker 1: but they get the they're the ones, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no effort in them. And I feel like a
Speaker 1: fraud that I'm using that easiest thing. And if people
Speaker 1: are loving it, so it makes me not want to
Speaker 1: do it anymore because I feel like I can work
Speaker 1: harder and it doesn't feel challenging to you. And he said, dude,
Speaker 1: I do the same thing, And I thought, wow, and
Speaker 1: and the and what we've done lately is I've just
Speaker 1: I go out there with an acoustic guitar and I
Speaker 1: play it without the band, and the whole first chorus
Speaker 1: is all crowd and it's and I'm like, wow that
Speaker 1: I guess that was something that I guess every songwriter
Speaker 1: hopes to accomplish. You know that that even if you
Speaker 1: have one song, that they're able to sing all the
Speaker 1: words too, and you can just stop and they're all
Speaker 1: on the same page. And that's that's what makes it
Speaker 1: special now because it's it I feel that it's actually
Speaker 1: doing something for them. I like a candid you are
Speaker 1: about it, because all the artists that have major hits
Speaker 1: feel that way, and even if they won't say it,
Speaker 1: they have songs that they've had for so long there
Speaker 1: were monsters for them. In a bit, they would like
Speaker 1: to move on, but they also know that the people
Speaker 1: love it and if they didn't play a song or
Speaker 1: do whatever they do, that the people would leave disappointed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so a bit you have to put the people
Speaker 1: before you. Yeah. We went to see Billy Joel the
Speaker 1: other night and uh at Madison Square Garden and granted,
Speaker 1: he has so many hits, like it's impossible to play
Speaker 1: them all. I mean, we'd be there all night. But
Speaker 1: as I'm leaving, I'm thinking, oh, ship, he didn't play
Speaker 1: just the way you are and that that was act.
Speaker 1: Wasn't thinking of that during the show, because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that's all. I forgot about that song.
Speaker 1: But for us, we only have like you know, like
Speaker 1: a handful of of hits, so we've got to be
Speaker 1: more selective of what we choose not to play. The
Speaker 1: Billy Joel thing is good though, if you then Brian
Speaker 1: Adams came out, did yeah, Oh that's cool. Yeah, Encore.
Speaker 1: Ryan Adams came out with Billy Joel Atian and the Encore.
Speaker 1: They came out and did uh or Billy came out
Speaker 1: and they did I think we didn't start the fire,
Speaker 1: and then uh, out of nowhere, Brian Adams comes out
Speaker 1: and they do Summer six nine. It was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. In the whole crowd, not just the second
Speaker 1: he hit the Danger Danger. Everybody just lost their minds,
Speaker 1: including me. I was like a little girl. Billy Joel's
Speaker 1: funny because he can still sing him but he has
Speaker 1: to he has to change a key in on the
Speaker 1: song at least a whole stuff. Yeah, because he's getting older.
Speaker 1: An Elton did the same thing when I saw him.
Speaker 1: Those Billy Joel songs are so high though when he
Speaker 1: was much younger that he's saying in a really high
Speaker 1: spot just naturally. Yeah, him and Elton, they were both
Speaker 1: in these upper registers. That's the show. I've seen both
Speaker 1: of them together too, and they do the dueling pianos.
Speaker 1: It was cool. I kind of knew a little bit
Speaker 1: of the story because I'd get to spend it was
Speaker 1: just such a name drop thing, but I can spend
Speaker 1: a little time with Eulton John and they really just
Speaker 1: they hate each other. I don't know that they hate
Speaker 1: each other heard but they Okay, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you heard. I've only heard that they don't talk
Speaker 1: and they go out on stage and do the show
Speaker 1: in their way. Again, like there's nothing there's not from
Speaker 1: what I've heard, there's not a real friendship there. But
Speaker 1: they play it up so wonderfully. And if you didn't know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know, because the first time I saw was like,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. They're best friends. I wonder if they have
Speaker 1: like some eye signals that they're doing up there, just
Speaker 1: like and they switch over to each other songs and
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Speaker 1: slash bones. Okay, so let's do this. Feels like tonight
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, another monster for you? You still play
Speaker 1: this one or not? Ye do. Yeah, that's a staple
Speaker 1: in the set list. It's a big one. Man. It
Speaker 1: would just be tough. I know that because yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play some of the new record in a second
Speaker 1: to because you have the new stuff, but you can't
Speaker 1: get away from the big ones because the fans deserve
Speaker 1: to hear them. And and I'm in the weird place
Speaker 1: of being a fan of music and going I went
Speaker 1: and saw arin this is the thing that shaped me
Speaker 1: with music can having to play the head. I want
Speaker 1: to see r M once And they didn't play a
Speaker 1: single song that it was all new records. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I was so even if they had given me one
Speaker 1: or two like no drive, no religion, no orange, not
Speaker 1: even the frequency, none of that. It was all new stuff.
Speaker 1: Huge at the point where I just needed a couple
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I'm never going to be the
Speaker 1: guy regardless of what I do that just goes out
Speaker 1: and just goes all new, like Brooks who was a
Speaker 1: little self indulgent. Right, But isn't what we do? I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean like to do nothing but new
Speaker 1: stuff and and think that that the fans don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the other it is. But to be fair,
Speaker 1: what we do is self indulgent. So it's a low
Speaker 1: hypocritical to go. It's so self indulgent to them. And
Speaker 1: here I am, you know, hoping that another million people
Speaker 1: listened to this podcast of you and I. So yeah,
Speaker 1: what we do self indulgence. But I was disappointed. But
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm always going to be a opponent of
Speaker 1: playing making sure the fans here that it's you know,
Speaker 1: but artists talk all the time off the microphone, like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play the song. I'm struggling with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta play the big ones. There's some nights where
Speaker 1: we're just like this one again. Is there any way
Speaker 1: to swap it out? That we have some that we
Speaker 1: just don't play, um, because it's actually some just don't
Speaker 1: go over as well. A little piece of trivia about
Speaker 1: that song though, feel like Tonight. Yeah, that was written
Speaker 1: by Max Martin and Dr Luke and it was that
Speaker 1: was one of the last songs added to the record
Speaker 1: when we were making the first record, and it was
Speaker 1: what they had written for me. Had I won the show,
Speaker 1: Oh that was gonna be the song that was gonna
Speaker 1: be my winning song if I want? Yeah? Was it
Speaker 1: because I was it's funny how my American idol life,
Speaker 1: And you know, I really wasn't. I don't much with you,
Speaker 1: but I feel while I was on the show last year,
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of episodes as a mentor this
Speaker 1: last year, and so it's I've kind of got into
Speaker 1: it and saw what happens mentoring the contestants from week
Speaker 1: to week, and so it's it's a very different format
Speaker 1: than when I was on there. Well, to me, I
Speaker 1: was just struck at how locked away everyone is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you just are in your own insulated bubble. You
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going. You don't see the judges,
Speaker 1: like a lot of fans just don't realize, like we
Speaker 1: see the judges when they do on television, like right
Speaker 1: there at their desk and that's it. Like I've see them,
Speaker 1: and they say, I haven't seen Luke or Katie at all.
Speaker 1: I see. They would tell me they see me far
Speaker 1: more than they see the judges, And I thought that
Speaker 1: was crazy. And you guys didn't have social media, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, did you guys know how famous you
Speaker 1: were getting as the show was going, No, no clue. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember going to the grove and it was like
Speaker 1: we always had They always made sure we had security.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, we don't need And then I realized, no,
Speaker 1: you do. Like it was crazy how isolated we were
Speaker 1: and how much we didn't know because even Twitter wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing then, like nothing had come out. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Facebook was a thing, probably not two
Speaker 1: thousand six, think my Space was still a thing that
Speaker 1: was that was about it. You could you I didn't
Speaker 1: even have a phone that could take a picture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think too. It's not like you could be on
Speaker 1: the phone and be on my Space. Mighty was my
Speaker 1: Space ever mobile? Not really? No, at least usable. It
Speaker 1: was never mobile, right, I mean you had it like
Speaker 1: on really early smartphones, but no, nobody really got on
Speaker 1: another phone. Used to take and make your wallpaper and
Speaker 1: your music and yeah, used to yeah profiles, have to
Speaker 1: pick your eight friends. Kids don't even know. You know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy and it's still around. But no, no, Russians
Speaker 1: were hacking MySpace, you know what I mean? Let me
Speaker 1: do one more from two thousand nine. There's no surprise jams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you wrote that with Chadrov Bruger and uh, there's
Speaker 1: a couple other Eric Dill and rest womb West ruinberg Um.
Speaker 1: They already kind of started the song before I came
Speaker 1: into the BUTU Yeah, me and Chad did all the
Speaker 1: verses and the chorus was already written. What's that guy like?
Speaker 1: He's a cool dude. I mean, I've known him for
Speaker 1: a long time because we've toured together for so much
Speaker 1: for so many times. But yeah, he's he's like family
Speaker 1: to me. Are they so rich? Is he so rich?
Speaker 1: I will? I don't know his bank account, but I
Speaker 1: will say that I did get a chance to stay
Speaker 1: one night on his boat on the last tour last year.
Speaker 1: Been on the boat and apparently he would throw pillows
Speaker 1: into the year and ski shoot him. Oh wow, I
Speaker 1: think we didn't. We didn't get that crazy. No, No,
Speaker 1: we were shooting other things. But yeah, they said we
Speaker 1: went out on Jad Croker's boat and he started grabbing
Speaker 1: pillows and they grabbed guns and we'd throw them up
Speaker 1: in the air. You were like we were ski shooting
Speaker 1: with nickelback. It was just out on the open water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the open water. That I mean, that does sound
Speaker 1: like something he would do. Like, I'm not even surprised.
Speaker 1: Where were you when you were on the boat when
Speaker 1: you were in Florida. We were. Yeah, we took a
Speaker 1: jet just because we didn't he didn't want to take
Speaker 1: the lock and bus ride, which, hey, if you can
Speaker 1: do it, do it. So I jumped on the jet
Speaker 1: with him and stay on his boat. That was pretty
Speaker 1: hung over the next day. Here, let's see you gotta
Speaker 1: the list records, cage to rattle, and so how about
Speaker 1: we play a little bit of deep end here into
Speaker 1: all right? How about this one? What's up? Tell me
Speaker 1: about this one? All right? So this one was one
Speaker 1: of the last songs we recorded. Um Uh. It came
Speaker 1: in from the label. I was absolutely, if I'm being
Speaker 1: completely honest, I was opposed to putting it on the record.
Speaker 1: UM at the time. It was very different song as
Speaker 1: far as production. UM. I hated the bridge, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, at least if I'm gonna do this song,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write the bridge, you know, get I gotta
Speaker 1: have some sort of stamp and and and then of
Speaker 1: course me and Jakir Jakiir King, who UM produced the
Speaker 1: record as our first time working together, we went kind
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different UM approaches to the to
Speaker 1: the production. I think at one point it even had
Speaker 1: like a reggae feel to it, and we ended up here.
Speaker 1: But I had to I looked at it like this
Speaker 1: was a very difficult record for me to make, in
Speaker 1: the sense that I was in a very self doubting
Speaker 1: um phase, like I was questioning everything. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was good anymore. You know. We had we had
Speaker 1: taken a bit of time off the road, and I
Speaker 1: was wanting to pursue acting and lived in l A
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and it was just like I
Speaker 1: didn't know where we were going to go musically for
Speaker 1: the next record. I didn't know who was going to
Speaker 1: produce it. I didn't even know if what I liked
Speaker 1: was good enough or even accessible on radio anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: that whole like feeling out of the loop. And so
Speaker 1: when it got to that song, I was just like
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to give myself up to
Speaker 1: the process and just be like, you tell me what's good, dude,
Speaker 1: because I'm in a place where I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm holding myself back because I've got such bad demo
Speaker 1: itis on everything that I'm just gonna have to let
Speaker 1: you take the wheel. And then I would still go yeah,
Speaker 1: but this ain't right. They gotta do this. So um.
Speaker 1: It was my way of like kind of giving into
Speaker 1: the process and diving into the deep end of my
Speaker 1: emotions and just letting it all. It was a very
Speaker 1: therapeutic record. I'll give you. I'll say that I want
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Speaker 1: we do the show from my house and I get
Speaker 1: a message from one of my close friends who's also
Speaker 1: my boss because he runs the whole country of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. He says, hey, what's up, Adeo Christo Tree.
Speaker 1: I said nothing. I said a long time ago, we
Speaker 1: weren't that cool. But don't even know if he knew
Speaker 1: we weren't cool. I said, but why what's up? He goes, well,
Speaker 1: I then you guys should should like be friends again.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I never knew I might
Speaker 1: even know you lived in Nashville. Frankay, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You looked at and he was like he he wants
Speaker 1: to come over and say what up? And I was
Speaker 1: like okay, cool, Like he said, what happened? I said, well,
Speaker 1: here's what happened. We're on Whitchtock, Kansas twelve years ago,
Speaker 1: maybe eleven, I'm not sure. I was young and idiot.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just older than an idiot. And there was
Speaker 1: a it was a show that one of my affiliates
Speaker 1: when I was doing pop you know, because we were
Speaker 1: playing your song. So I went up to that affiliate
Speaker 1: and then we were doing an outdoor show and there
Speaker 1: was a bus and some of the fans that had
Speaker 1: won these package is, these charity packages came back and
Speaker 1: you were signing stuff with them, and even me, I
Speaker 1: thought it was called like freaking Chris Dodd was awesome.
Speaker 1: And so they said, hey, can we take a picture
Speaker 1: with you? And you said you can take a picture
Speaker 1: of me, not with me, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I said that you did what a dick? Well listen,
Speaker 1: I would I you And usually it's the other way around,
Speaker 1: because I do have people that go, can I take
Speaker 1: a picture of you? I'm like, no, take one with me.
Speaker 1: Why would I say that? But again, first of all,
Speaker 1: I was an idiot back then, So then I just went, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm done. Like so I can't be friends with somebody
Speaker 1: like that, or I can't even know anybody like that.
Speaker 1: So that was it. That was the thing that was okay.
Speaker 1: So I had it mixed up with another time. I
Speaker 1: was probably a dick to somebody else. I remember, I
Speaker 1: was confusing. Okay, So here's my here's what happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was unaware until my guitar player said, dude, I
Speaker 1: heard Bobby Bone saying like something on the air. Uh,
Speaker 1: And this was probably a couple of years ago that
Speaker 1: you were like a douchebag or something like that. And
Speaker 1: I was like, at the time, still in my egotistical way,
Speaker 1: would be like, man, it was probably because he was
Speaker 1: a dick or something like that. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: even stop and analyze it. So I was thinking, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's this interview that I that I didn't like
Speaker 1: what they were asking me, So I just wan list
Speaker 1: that could have been it too. And that that happened.
Speaker 1: But I never think about interviews because I so I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so not that dude anymore. And I
Speaker 1: would love the opportunity to meet him face to face
Speaker 1: and hash this out, because like, that's the last thing
Speaker 1: I want people to take away. I do know that
Speaker 1: I had a tendency like I was stupid. I was young.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. I was thrown
Speaker 1: into this industry without any experience with Notre Idea or anything,
Speaker 1: and I was twenty six. I was like, look at
Speaker 1: the time, I thought I knew what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I look back now and I was like, my twenties
Speaker 1: were just complete. That was an idiot. Yeah so yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I feel like I've I've shut that that
Speaker 1: that part of me. Thank God. Don't you feel like
Speaker 1: that when you hit your forties in mid forty be
Speaker 1: like my thirties, I was such an idiot probably like dude,
Speaker 1: I'm getting close, we're getting old. Think we're the same age.
Speaker 1: I'll be thirty nine in December. Yeah, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: well good, I'm glad we had this conversation. And I
Speaker 1: always like uncomfortable conversations because resolution always comes from uncomfortable
Speaker 1: conversations and so but that was it. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if a couple of years ago I was talking
Speaker 1: about it, because I don't even remember, it could have
Speaker 1: been even longer ago, and and I just held onto it.
Speaker 1: So anytime your name came up, I associated with the
Speaker 1: guy that said I was a douchebag. And then I
Speaker 1: started analyzing it from maybe your perspective and going maybe,
Speaker 1: I was maybe I need to like find out what
Speaker 1: this is actually about, because either way, I'm sure I've
Speaker 1: piste off quite a few people along the way. How
Speaker 1: did you end up here though? Like Nashville, Tennessee? How
Speaker 1: do you want to live here? Well, we were in
Speaker 1: l A for a little bit. I think we've made
Speaker 1: it a year out there, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's not for me. You know, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of kids, so we're just starting to look for a
Speaker 1: place too permanently hang our hats and school districts and everything.
Speaker 1: Was just like, what are we doing? This is too much?
Speaker 1: Had some actor of friends that that are you know,
Speaker 1: actually successful at it and have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: l A. You know, they live out in upstate New York,
Speaker 1: and I was just like Okay, I guess you don't
Speaker 1: have to. Um, I remember watch your feet. I drop
Speaker 1: a lot of names to this guy named Jeffrey Dean
Speaker 1: Morgan is on Walking Dead plays Negan buddy of mine.
Speaker 1: He was like, why are you in l A. Why
Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's the dumbest thing you could
Speaker 1: be doing. You can act anywhere. And I always wanted
Speaker 1: to be an actor when I was a kid. But
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get back into the music.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta like realized that this is like
Speaker 1: I have a pretty incredible opportunity here, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna spend more time chasing something else when this is
Speaker 1: slowly and slowly fading, you know. And and at that point,
Speaker 1: it was like two or three years after our last record,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is this is by the
Speaker 1: time we get this record down, it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: five years. Oh my god. I started having a panic attack.
Speaker 1: So a couple of my guys had already moved to
Speaker 1: Nashville from various places, one from California, went from Virginia,
Speaker 1: and I had some other buddies that were in the
Speaker 1: music industry that we're completely unaffiliated with country. There were
Speaker 1: more urban hip hop and and UH and R and B,
Speaker 1: and they moved their whole team out here, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, everybody's moving out here must be like
Speaker 1: the thing to do. And so we started looking at
Speaker 1: houses and we're like, oh, it's way more affordable than
Speaker 1: what are we thinking. So we went back to l
Speaker 1: A that we and started packing our bags. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so we've been here a couple of years now and
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's definitely closer to where we were
Speaker 1: from in North Carolina as far as the landscape of things,
Speaker 1: but it's also close to a major airport. It's close
Speaker 1: to you know, the industry. It's a lateral move for
Speaker 1: me because everybody I wrote with in l A happens
Speaker 1: to either live out here now or right out here
Speaker 1: half the time. So it was it was just it
Speaker 1: just made sense. That's cool. Well, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: totally good with us. Oh yeah, Like I'm like, we're good.
Speaker 1: Oh I was too, Yeah, making sure that I was
Speaker 1: like stem that and we're like, like, I'm over. I'm
Speaker 1: also an adult now, yeah, and I have less petty
Speaker 1: things totally. You know, listen to say I'm not petty
Speaker 1: would be absolutely inaccurate, but I'm less petty. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was. You know, A many times people are coming
Speaker 1: to me and said, oh, you were such a dick
Speaker 1: or a dude, and I'm like, I used the same way, like, no,
Speaker 1: you probably were, but now I go, you're probably right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. Man. The ego is a funny thing. It
Speaker 1: can make you just if you take yourself too seriously.
Speaker 1: It's funny if you can take your own head out
Speaker 1: of your own body and and look at it from
Speaker 1: a distance, like you're watching a movie. That's the way
Speaker 1: I've kind of had to like really work on myself.
Speaker 1: It's like like if I was watching me on TV
Speaker 1: right now, because you can always tell what everybody's doing.
Speaker 1: When you're watching a reality show or something, you can
Speaker 1: call it, oh, they're being a dick, or oh they're
Speaker 1: terrible human being or this, And when you can take
Speaker 1: yourself out outside yourself and see it in that perspective,
Speaker 1: it's easy to go, oh, maybe maybe they're right, Maybe
Speaker 1: my wife is right, maybe I am a dick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna yeah, that's fantastic. We're both adults, both
Speaker 1: just trying to survive in the creative world. Which is
Speaker 1: almost an impossible place to survive. Yeah, so you mentioned
Speaker 1: Walking Dead. You watch Walking Death in Your President? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was into it before he got on the show, actually,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I'm a huge fan me too. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how they're gonna wrap up Rick season. Last season,
Speaker 1: whenever Nigan came onto the show I wrote about in
Speaker 1: my last book because I was actually writing my last book.
Speaker 1: Whenever that first episode happened where he's where he pops
Speaker 1: the skull. Good god, that was that was hard. That
Speaker 1: was probably one of the hardest things for me to watch,
Speaker 1: the hardcore episode. Right. That show has been so consistently good,
Speaker 1: and it has its up and downs, and it has
Speaker 1: to being that many seasons, but it's a really it's
Speaker 1: a really strong good show. Yeah, I'm curious to where
Speaker 1: they're going to go with it. That outperforms network shows.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really one of the first shows
Speaker 1: aside from the Sopranos. Do you watch Breaking Bad? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that was. And but the thing about Breaking Bad
Speaker 1: is it really caught on almost like with mainstream. Three
Speaker 1: fourths of the way through its whole run, everybody started
Speaker 1: going back to watch it. That was me I've found
Speaker 1: out about it, like when it was in its fourth season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't cool either, and I caught onto it late
Speaker 1: to But yeah, I'm a huge walking Dead fay to
Speaker 1: see your boy. He talked to him, tell him big fans,
Speaker 1: I will. I was actually just talking to him two
Speaker 1: days ago. Yeah. Game of Thrones is another one that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm obsessed with me and they just delayed that again.
Speaker 1: They yeah, maybe two thou or they saying, did you
Speaker 1: read that later in the year, I'm supposed to be
Speaker 1: like Spring of two thousand nineteen. Now it's going to
Speaker 1: be even later. Two things got delayed Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: and they moved back the Top Gun movie a whole year.
Speaker 1: Today he's the were doing Top Gun two or going
Speaker 1: to be in it. He's an instructor this time. And
Speaker 1: did Valve sign you know? I don't think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, wow, yeah, I don't know. So. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: cool that you guys have a nice man with the
Speaker 1: acting thing. Tell me about that for a second. I
Speaker 1: just um, As a kid, like I always always wanted
Speaker 1: to dress up and be something else, you know. I
Speaker 1: was always like into like the superhero shows, and I
Speaker 1: would cut my jeans up look like Luke Rignose Halt.
Speaker 1: How'd you like doing stage? I as far as um
Speaker 1: like theater. I did it in high school, and I
Speaker 1: liked it. I'm not as much into the musical thing,
Speaker 1: but I do have a lot of respect for it
Speaker 1: because I was reading, I was looking over some stuff
Speaker 1: before you came in and said, high school you you
Speaker 1: did a couple of big productions. Yeah we did. Uh?
Speaker 1: I was I was the I was Scarecrow and the Whiz.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was fun. Were you are really good? No,
Speaker 1: obviously were good. But were you known in high school
Speaker 1: as the really good singer guy? Not until eleventh grade.
Speaker 1: I I kept that from people, Like it was one
Speaker 1: of those things that I didn't identify myself with, so
Speaker 1: I assumed that it would be weird for other people
Speaker 1: if if they knew that about me. Like I was
Speaker 1: the dude that was always drawing, and I played some
Speaker 1: sports here and there. I like I was the kid
Speaker 1: that was friends with everyone, Like I had no enemies
Speaker 1: and I could fit in with any crowd, the guys,
Speaker 1: the nerds, the the you know, the the jocks. Like
Speaker 1: I always had friends in each circle. I don't even
Speaker 1: know why. Maybe it was survival, but UM always like
Speaker 1: I just never had a problem with anyone, So I
Speaker 1: always just thought that people associated me with I'm the art.
Speaker 1: I was the artist to do that, drew comic books
Speaker 1: and the guy that you know did did uh, you know,
Speaker 1: some acting here and there, and was always in the
Speaker 1: gym lifting weights. So I I was always like even
Speaker 1: my best friend didn't know I was like a singer,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, dude, really kind of sing
Speaker 1: and he's like, what app dude? And then I remember
Speaker 1: I think I broke out some boys two men, and
Speaker 1: he was like, oh ship and uh. But I kind
Speaker 1: of like I was always like the guy that would
Speaker 1: sing along to the radio and just I assumed that
Speaker 1: everybody could do that. So I didn't think I had
Speaker 1: anything really special until I got maybe in my later teens,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of felt like I could mimic
Speaker 1: a lot of of bands that I liked and the singers,
Speaker 1: and I started like kind of fantasizing about that idea
Speaker 1: of like maybe I could do that, and I would
Speaker 1: see concerts and it would kind of get me more hype.
Speaker 1: I remember you ever heard alive, dude, I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: biggest life. Okay, so Throwing Copper was that was the moment,
Speaker 1: like I changed my life. I my brother had he's
Speaker 1: five years older than me. He had this cassette tape
Speaker 1: and he was like, dude, you gotta hear this song
Speaker 1: and he played Lightning Crashes and I was like, this sucks.
Speaker 1: It was terrible, and I was like, oh, I've seen
Speaker 1: this video on MTV and it's depressing and all that.
Speaker 1: And then I heard it more and more and I
Speaker 1: just started falling in love with his voice. At Qualtic,
Speaker 1: who became like a really um became kind of a
Speaker 1: mentor slash really good friend of mine. And I remember
Speaker 1: seeing them on the Secret Sobodi Tour nineties seven and
Speaker 1: I was like, jaw wide open, obviously not on a
Speaker 1: camera phone watching the show. I was like engaged, and
Speaker 1: I have memories of just going like that. That's that's it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to go to school for acting,
Speaker 1: I don't want to draw comic books. I want to
Speaker 1: do that. So I had a buddy of mine start
Speaker 1: showing me how to play guitar and learn some chords
Speaker 1: and started trying to emulate all my heroes. That Throwing
Speaker 1: Copper album is one of my favorite albums that still
Speaker 1: holds up. Yeah, it's still holds Hey, pull up Lives
Speaker 1: like they're they're they're most played songs. I'm a big
Speaker 1: Life fan and so your friends. Yeah yeah, yeah, he was, Um,
Speaker 1: we've done many shows together. Um, he's come out and
Speaker 1: joined me on stage. I've come out and joined them
Speaker 1: and they're back together live original line up there on
Speaker 1: tour right now. So um, I was just talking to
Speaker 1: him like two or three days ago. I'm assuming Lightning
Speaker 1: Crashes their number one song. Yeah, number one. He played
Speaker 1: that a little bit for Fraudy. That's one they'll never
Speaker 1: not play. They can't. You want to see piste off.
Speaker 1: People don't play Liightney crashes. God, this song was so good,
Speaker 1: Like I would listen to the Edge out of Dallas
Speaker 1: that have someone recorded on cassette. It's in in it
Speaker 1: to me because I have a market so off and
Speaker 1: this was always on the edge crash normal love that
Speaker 1: you hear a song I just kind of remind you
Speaker 1: of where you were whenever. That song was the thing
Speaker 1: place into floor And for the radio edit, they had
Speaker 1: changed it to her intentions because they couldn't say placenta
Speaker 1: they changed it on the radio. Was her intentions fall
Speaker 1: to the floor? Yeah, well he did that on the
Speaker 1: second verse, so they must have just swapped it out.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. What's the second song from same record? Was
Speaker 1: that it was top to bottoms so good. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is one of my most played records of high school.
Speaker 1: It was like sank and they loved the Flanger. It
Speaker 1: was Nirvana and Garth and Tim mcgrawl and Live and
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam and a little Naughty by Nature. Dude, all
Speaker 1: of that was where this same age, So I remember
Speaker 1: all of those things popping at the same time. Naughty
Speaker 1: by Nature, Pearl Jam, Garth Brooks was huge there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's funny. If I haven't thought about live It
Speaker 1: so long, and tonight I'll go listen all the live
Speaker 1: again because it's there are two times that you go
Speaker 1: back and listen to awesome music that you used to have.
Speaker 1: One whenever someone reminds you of how good it wasn't
Speaker 1: two when they die, and really you really don't want
Speaker 1: to go back when they die and have to because
Speaker 1: I was listening to a lot of the Aretha stuff
Speaker 1: again and I get again. I was born in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: so I didn't get to experience prime Aretha, but to
Speaker 1: go back and to listen to it and watch some
Speaker 1: of the YouTube videos and see her sing like in
Speaker 1: some of the raw footage, like maybe one of the
Speaker 1: best singers I've ever seen sing period. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and I'm in the land of great singers. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: see him all the time, and even watching her, I
Speaker 1: saw clipping her and Smokey Robinson and they were sitting
Speaker 1: beside each other. And I'm a music nerd, right, so
Speaker 1: I ate it up. And they were with Don Cornelius
Speaker 1: and they were sitting at the piano and they were
Speaker 1: doing a Smokey Robins song and he starts to sing back, uh,
Speaker 1: and then she starts to sing its. Smokey Robinson is fantastic,
Speaker 1: one of the greats. And it was like, uh, the
Speaker 1: real professionals here now, and she was singing one of
Speaker 1: his songs. That's how I felt when I felt when
Speaker 1: I did a song with Vince Gilla, like this is
Speaker 1: how you sing, boy. So what we did a song
Speaker 1: on our second record, Leave This Town, a song called
Speaker 1: Tennessee Line. Uh Me and my guitar player wrote it.
Speaker 1: When we were in Germany. We were UM. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like we were tapping into a little little
Speaker 1: country vibe. And I originally had wanted UM to do
Speaker 1: this song with a with a female vocalists. Um Alison
Speaker 1: Krauss was top of my list and she wasn't available
Speaker 1: or I didn't care, I don't know. We got like
Speaker 1: word back that she wasn't available. She probably said I
Speaker 1: hate that band. I don't know. I've never met her,
Speaker 1: but I absolutely love her and her voice is like
Speaker 1: an angel. So UM, I was like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know who else we could get. And I was working
Speaker 1: with Richard Marks in the studio on another song on
Speaker 1: that record, and he was I was playing him some
Speaker 1: of the songs that were recording. He was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know you need to get you need to get
Speaker 1: Vince Gil. I was like, oh cool, Well, why don't
Speaker 1: you just call him up for me? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I will He's one of my best friends. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought you were just joking around. But then I
Speaker 1: get this call from Vince and he's like, hey, man, Howard,
Speaker 1: you want to do country, and uh, I'll do it, man,
Speaker 1: I do it. Just I was like well, you never.
Speaker 1: You haven't even heard the song yet. For all you know,
Speaker 1: it's like about hookers and blow or something, you know.
Speaker 1: And he goes, man, I love that stuff. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like this guy's guy's funny. He goes, oh, you
Speaker 1: always beer and pizza. I still haven't paid him back. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, sure enough. We we sent him the session.
Speaker 1: He was about to go on vacation. And uh, actually,
Speaker 1: now that I think about that, the hookers and blow
Speaker 1: thing might not be a good thing to put in here.
Speaker 1: But it was a funny joke. Um, it was obviously
Speaker 1: a joke that was obviously obviously people. Um. But he
Speaker 1: sent it back. He had his dude lay down some
Speaker 1: fiddle on it, and uh, he sent it back and
Speaker 1: and it was just a rough mix. But his voice
Speaker 1: was about five to ten d be louder than mine.
Speaker 1: And when he came in on that second verse, I
Speaker 1: was just like what it was like God saying this
Speaker 1: is how you sing. That's always how I looked at it.
Speaker 1: But his voice is so incredible. That was, to me
Speaker 1: was like the male version of what I heard Alison
Speaker 1: Cross do in my head. What a vocalist have you
Speaker 1: been able to be? Around, performed with or two Beyond
Speaker 1: tour with and actually see what you do on eyeballs.
Speaker 1: There you go. Oh, that's the next level. Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: in the studio in the vocal booth, re ridiculous, effortless,
Speaker 1: like honestly made me mad. I'm singing right now. We
Speaker 1: did a song together. It never got out. Is that
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about Richard Marks? I was. I
Speaker 1: wrote it with him and I named Jason Wade from Lifehouse,
Speaker 1: and we were writing it for UM. We're just doing
Speaker 1: a bunch of writing. We happened to all be in
Speaker 1: l at the same time and and UM and Kelly
Speaker 1: was working on her record with Howard Benson. And I
Speaker 1: knew Howard because we had already done two records together.
Speaker 1: And I was like, see if she see if she
Speaker 1: liked this, And I did a demo of it and
Speaker 1: kind of rocked it up a little bit, and she
Speaker 1: loved it, and we went and cut the cut the song,
Speaker 1: and I was just like flow. I knew she was good.
Speaker 1: I've seen her perform many times, and we had performed
Speaker 1: together at bridge Stone years ago when we came through
Speaker 1: with Three Doors Down. She did Fast Car with me
Speaker 1: that's so cool and uh, but I had never worked
Speaker 1: with her in the booth and I was just floored
Speaker 1: in her technique and like she's flawless, her pitch and
Speaker 1: everything is just next level. It's funny you mentioned Richard
Speaker 1: Marx because to some people, Richard Marx is wherever you go,
Speaker 1: I will be right here waiting you. But he's a
Speaker 1: big producer now working He's written like so many writer
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah. He was talking one of my friends
Speaker 1: last week and she was like, with Richard Mark's writing
Speaker 1: and she really doesn't know him as anything other than
Speaker 1: the guy that writes, right, And like me, I was
Speaker 1: just at the age where I remember him on the
Speaker 1: radio when I was a kid. Dude, it was all
Speaker 1: endless summer nights, like all that stuff was like staple
Speaker 1: and like you turned the radio and there's Richard Martin
Speaker 1: and I'm a huge Cubs fan and he would wear
Speaker 1: the Cubs hat. Yeah and from Chicago. Yeah, so rich
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Jason from Lifehouse. I was a big
Speaker 1: Lifehouse guy, Like is he I didn't know that? Do
Speaker 1: you know him? Yeah? Yeah, great dude, salted the Earth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a big Life House, great writer. So what
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Something to going to is that where's rock
Speaker 1: music now? And what is rock music? Like? I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't either. I don't know the definition
Speaker 1: of it anymore. Um, you know, I I think we're
Speaker 1: still in a time where the radio scared of guitars.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't feel like I have
Speaker 1: my finger on the or my thumb on the pulse
Speaker 1: enough to know when that's changing. So what do you
Speaker 1: do though? I mean, we we brought guitars back in
Speaker 1: our record and just said, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: we do. So I don't know if that's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: us or help us, but um, I know that that's
Speaker 1: what I love. That's what really drew me into music,
Speaker 1: just hearing the you know, like we went to see
Speaker 1: the same bands. You know, you see that and that
Speaker 1: that is your idea of rock and roll, And um,
Speaker 1: I think Imagine Dragons does a pretty decent job of
Speaker 1: navigating between both worlds. Um, it's always can it be
Speaker 1: translated heavier live? You know, which we tend to do
Speaker 1: a lot too. Um, But yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of great rock acts out there
Speaker 1: that that aren't seeing the line of day. You think,
Speaker 1: imagine dragon to a rock. I think they started that
Speaker 1: way or did they were the Killers? I think that's rock.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's I think it's more about the
Speaker 1: attitude behind it too. And that was the point of
Speaker 1: my question because people struggle with this in country too.
Speaker 1: They go as, in country, is it not? There's not
Speaker 1: a right answer. Yeah, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: the intention behind it. Um. I think everything is kind
Speaker 1: of all kind of like when you go over to
Speaker 1: Europe and two over there, like all genres are kind
Speaker 1: of played everywhere. It's not like you got this format,
Speaker 1: this format, this format. Um. It feels like it's all
Speaker 1: like we did a show with Backstreet Boys over in
Speaker 1: Germany and we were like, this is interesting, but equal
Speaker 1: fan base, like the fan base that's human though, to
Speaker 1: be fair, Like on my radio show now and it's
Speaker 1: on a hundred and thirty cities in Canada twenty or so,
Speaker 1: so you know, we have a broad audience that comes
Speaker 1: to listen to a country. But I play hip hop
Speaker 1: on my morning show. I would play imagine dragons. I
Speaker 1: love all of it, People love all of it. It's nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody turns away when they see any of that live.
Speaker 1: You know, and if you look at something you talk
Speaker 1: about looking at your life as a movie, if you
Speaker 1: just look at someone's phone, no one's phone is a
Speaker 1: format of music. No one's phone is a format. No
Speaker 1: one's car is a format. The only thing this format
Speaker 1: and categories are fine to be able to separate things.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about what consumers like, and that's
Speaker 1: what I try to do. Try to be the pulse
Speaker 1: of what people like. Um there, the formats aren't a thing.
Speaker 1: You may lean a bit, you may like a certain
Speaker 1: sound a bit more, but everybody loves some Frank Sinatra
Speaker 1: and everybody loves Snoop Dogg. You know, everybody loves people
Speaker 1: usually like both a little bit. You know, we prints
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Um yeah, it's it's it's I
Speaker 1: wish that it didn't feel so separated sometimes. You know,
Speaker 1: I do understand that people go to the format or
Speaker 1: actually you probably know more than I do on how
Speaker 1: it's tested and how they judge what, what's able to
Speaker 1: be played on what. But I just think I look
Speaker 1: at it from a like maybe maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, but like put it out there
Speaker 1: and let's see what it does like let it, let
Speaker 1: it have a life of its own. Let let the
Speaker 1: people judge, you know, whether that's going to be played
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, and that's what people do to us.
Speaker 1: They judge. Come, they listen, they don't, they decide. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing to go away. What is rock music?
Speaker 1: Because what is country music? What is even? What is
Speaker 1: hip hop? You know? Yeah, Mikeda is mumble rap hip
Speaker 1: hop hip hop right now? Yeah? You know? Now I
Speaker 1: love I love Postmalon and something. I listened to it
Speaker 1: like every night before I go off. He's die hard
Speaker 1: Postmon and we'll play it on the show some and
Speaker 1: he seemed postmone live. But it's is he good? He's
Speaker 1: really good and he can do anything. And he plays guitar.
Speaker 1: My comparison to my d who's how old was and
Speaker 1: they're not the same, but they feel the same. Kid
Speaker 1: rock when he came. Okay, he's kind of a hip
Speaker 1: hop guy, but he does some rocks stuff and now
Speaker 1: he's kind of country. I don't only know what he
Speaker 1: but it's all kind of good. Did you see him live?
Speaker 1: And he does all of it kind of that he
Speaker 1: plays guitar and sings, and he does hip hop and
Speaker 1: he's I could totally see him pulling out a country
Speaker 1: song and it and it being completely believable. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see it, Yeah in some Texas and we would
Speaker 1: go believe he has country roots too. Yeah. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, Um, I didn't know there's you gets this
Speaker 1: old eight million records. Huh, that's what it is. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a lot of records. Man, I appreciate that. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: a lot of this isn't from mine. The whole first
Speaker 1: part of this interview was but I made a few
Speaker 1: notes that I wanted to, uh, to bring up things
Speaker 1: I didn't know behind I guess Kelly and Carrie, you're
Speaker 1: the third biggest alum from Idol as far as like selling,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy, that's cool when they when I hear that,
Speaker 1: it always kind of it's sometimes I forget, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't never really try not to pay attention to
Speaker 1: all the accolades and the numbers, and it's it's fun
Speaker 1: to hear It's like, oh, yeah, we've done all right.
Speaker 1: The rumor that I always heard was that you had
Speaker 1: either audition, they wanted you to sing for fuel when
Speaker 1: you come off idle. Was that true? Oh? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was crazy. It was after my first week of the
Speaker 1: actual competition. I think we did um. It was the
Speaker 1: week after I did hemorrhage in my hand, and there
Speaker 1: Joe Randy Jackson came up to me after that show
Speaker 1: that night, we were all headed to the dressing room
Speaker 1: and it was one of the very few times that
Speaker 1: I actually saw him outside of the judging table, and
Speaker 1: he was like, dude, my boy Carl Bell from Fuel,
Speaker 1: hit me up. They might be looking for you, man,
Speaker 1: and they might be looking at it. I was like, why,
Speaker 1: he goes, I think they're looking for a singer. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what what happened to Brett? He goes, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's working out. I don't. Well, that's flattering,
Speaker 1: but obviously I can't do anything because he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, don't be surprised if you hear anything,
Speaker 1: you know, And they kind of like waited, and then
Speaker 1: they hit me up when they knew that I wasn't
Speaker 1: on the show anymore, hit you up, and uh, actually
Speaker 1: they went on Entertainment tonight and actually did a blurb
Speaker 1: on that saying, hey, Chris Daltrey, you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: looking for a singer hit us up. And it was weird,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what to do. Like I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, if I was maybe maybe if I was,
Speaker 1: you know, still a nobody, and I was, and and
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in any sort of, ah, disrespectful way,
Speaker 1: but like I pictured me like if I was in
Speaker 1: the clubs before I ever went on Idol, spinning wheels,
Speaker 1: not you know, maybe playing for gas money, if that
Speaker 1: offer came along, it would be like no brainer, Like
Speaker 1: this is much better than where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: And obviously nobody's beating down the doors at these clubs
Speaker 1: to assign me. But I had had this opportunity to
Speaker 1: be on American Idol, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: like my audition for every record label out there, really
Speaker 1: and to do what I do and not be limited
Speaker 1: to someone else's success or someone else's songwriting. And I
Speaker 1: was like, man, that that's really flattering, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I can't in my right mind can't say yes
Speaker 1: to this, and the guy is still alive. So that
Speaker 1: always felt weird too. It's not like you look out
Speaker 1: in the audience and he's like flipping you off. Well,
Speaker 1: listen the new album's cage to rattle, check it out. Um,
Speaker 1: let's play Michae. Let's play one more track from the
Speaker 1: new record before we jump out of here. Why don't
Speaker 1: we play backbone? How do you? How do you sing
Speaker 1: like this? If you have a cold or if you're sick? Man?
Speaker 1: Colds are my worst enemy. Um, you know I rarely
Speaker 1: get them, Thank god. Um, I rarely get them. But
Speaker 1: that cold isn't nearly as bad as like a sinus
Speaker 1: infection or something like that. That's when I'm like or bronchitis.
Speaker 1: That's I've had it like maybe twice UM on tour
Speaker 1: and laryngitis a couple of times. I think we've can't
Speaker 1: intend twelve years of touring, we've canceled like three shows
Speaker 1: because of being sick. I hate canceling. I hate and
Speaker 1: I'll go to stand up and I care so much
Speaker 1: about the people that come, and I know they've made
Speaker 1: plans for we and your voices, your work, tickets, and
Speaker 1: they also don't want to give them a bad show
Speaker 1: if I'm not feeling well. So you're just so torn.
Speaker 1: They got probably something got babysitters and they actually came
Speaker 1: and took part of their life and came to see
Speaker 1: me like that's a big deal to yea. And so
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to be in compassionate and empathetic.
Speaker 1: Really changes things when you when it comes time to,
Speaker 1: you know, make that decision, do I cancel? And then
Speaker 1: you think about the hundreds or thousands of people that
Speaker 1: just maybe drove an hour, hour and a half had
Speaker 1: planned it for weeks, months, sometimes here in advance. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well makes you disappoint Chris, it's good. It's good to spiss.
Speaker 1: We've done an hour and that's a good that's a
Speaker 1: strong hour. Yeah, it was strong. It was strong. Good.
Speaker 1: I didn't hang up on you, and I didn't. It's
Speaker 1: all good. I think for old time's sake, instead of
Speaker 1: taking a picture of you, will take one together. We'll
Speaker 1: post it. Have great. Well, you'll be like, look at that. No, really,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really excited you came over. I am to
Speaker 1: thank you very much for taking the time to have
Speaker 1: me and shout out to our buddy Kevin Legrett who yes,
Speaker 1: thank you Kevin, who is here. Yeah. And and it's
Speaker 1: a big part of my life personally and in my career,
Speaker 1: So shout out Kevin loved man all right well christ
Speaker 1: Audrey episode one thirty eight thanks to sleep Number and LifeLock.
Speaker 1: Be sure to check out Cage to rattle, stream, download
Speaker 1: by it anyway to consume it that you'll consume it.
Speaker 1: Go see him though, That's the important thing. It comes around.
Speaker 1: Go see him because that's how that's how artists. It's
Speaker 1: a fun time. Oh we're gonna Oh we're playing the
Speaker 1: Ryman septem You gotta come. Boy? Is it a weeknight
Speaker 1: because I wake up through in the morning. Man, is
Speaker 1: it a week night? It's probably Thursday or something. I
Speaker 1: won't even go to radio the radio hours or rough.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If it's on a weekend and
Speaker 1: I'm not on the road, I would love it. We
Speaker 1: got you taken care of if that's the case, and
Speaker 1: and any other time obviously So at the Rhyman in
Speaker 1: Nashville in September September twenty, what's the sorry, people to
Speaker 1: go check out the Daughtry official dot com. Oh you
Speaker 1: don't have Daughtry dot com? Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 1: We don't happen, Yeah I must be Yeah, check out
Speaker 1: Cage Radical Chris I do have Chris at Chris Daughtry
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I did manage to get that one. You
Speaker 1: have to buy it. No, we actually uh we actually were.
Speaker 1: Um we had we knew someone who made a phone call.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that phone call entailed, but we
Speaker 1: got we got the domain. I can't get at Bobby
Speaker 1: Bones and they're not even using it, you know, they
Speaker 1: just sit on it for what for us to pay
Speaker 1: for it? Evisual? Well, I do have an underscore on
Speaker 1: on my Twitter account. That is true. That guy Underscore doctors.
Speaker 1: That guy won't move. We'll see you guys next time. Chris.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time, all right,