1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to episode with Chris Daughtry. Thanks for 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: our sponsors of this episode, Sleep Number and LifeLock. Good 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: to see you man, Good to see you. You know 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: you walk, you walk into the house and you have 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: and here's my issue. Now, I explained to you a a 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: problem that I have. I have a have a chain, 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: a single chain, and I feel like such a douche 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: because I can't wear jewelry and I was given this 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: chain and I thought, I'm gonna try to wear because 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm not cool, Like you have a cool look. You 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: at the tattoos, totally cool. You have the rock you 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: have the rock and roll guy, and you have a 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: lot of bracelets and you have the necklaces and it works. 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: It maybe overkill. I feel like such a goober though 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: in a single chain it looks cool, you know. To 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: be honest, I usually rock a single chain, and today 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: I was like, do I wear my stones or do 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: I wear this? And I just said, let's just do 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: it all on. But you can but that that it 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: fits like I'm like white Urkle, I'm like Country Urkle 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: with the chain on. Mike, what do you think of 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: my chain? Is it still turn your microphone. What's on 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: it is nothing. I'm just an emulett. Let's see, that's 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: even cooler. It's not trying to be anything. It's just there. 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: That's what I feel like I am. I'm not trying 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: to be anything. I'm just here. But that's okay, Right, 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: we're we're all like trying to figure out who we 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: are and what we're doing, and we're all copying something 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: or another. So you have a lot of tattoos. I 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: do a lot. Yeah, this is still a work in progress. 31 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Um on your this is your left arm. You just 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: touched and I don't I can't really see what it is, 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: but it's it's heavy, it's it's a lot of cover. Yeah, 34 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: I wonder what that cost and how many hours going 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: to almost so from your shoulder looks like from your 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: shoulders you elbow is pretty much all black with a design. Yeah, 37 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about two grand and twelve hours plus the outline. 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: It's about fourteen hours worth of work I did. We 39 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: did twelve in one day and that was just laid 40 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: in a chair every time. Man, it was dude, I 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: was after six hours or ithing like, what the hell 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: was I thinking? And if have you ever had like 43 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: the worst sunburnover and then take that and like have 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: cat scratch fever or something. You know, like it's just 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: like sandpaper on sunburn. But you know it was. It was. 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm one of those people that like to 47 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: get it done and be done with it. You have 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: on your back. Unfortunately you do, you have you I've 49 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: got the speaking about being douchey. My first tattoo was 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: my own last name on my back. I made a 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: lot of mistakes when I was twenty six, by the way, 52 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: So you got that at twenty six, Yeah, right after 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: I was on idol. What font though, that's a big 54 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: part of it. See, that's the douchey part. It's an 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: old English It looks kind of like um, almost like 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: the font you would picture godsmack being written in. Yeah, 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: so it's like it's funny, it's god. There's a god 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: smack font in my mind. Oh yeah, you nailed it. Yeah. 59 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: So um. It was one of those things where I 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: get off the show and they have this whole home 61 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: coming and and people are coming out of the woodwork 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and You've got Hardy going, hey, we want to give 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: you a bike, which I never ride. So I was 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: like oh, that sounds cool. Then I found out they 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: weren't really giving it to me. They were just wanting 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: me to ride it and sport their their brand or 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: whatever at the local station. And then they then this 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: tattoo shop was like, well, tattoo you for free. And 69 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I've always wanted a tattoo, but at 70 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: the time, I hadn't had none, had had no tattoos, 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: and and I think the coolest thing I had done 72 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: at that point, right before I went on the show, 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: I was had my labre prest and then I took 74 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: that out pretty soon after because I kept grabbing it 75 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: with my teeth when I was trying to eat. Said 76 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know by just us saying lebre but it's 77 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the like the chin. Yeah, it's like it's like where 78 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: they call the soul patch where uh you know, it 79 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: had a spike and it was Yeah, it was painful. Yeah, 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, that was It was actually more painful 81 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: when your tooth would catch it when you're eating. I 82 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: eat really fast and it would end up and inevitably 83 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: grab it every time. And I got to the point 84 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: I was like, fun this, I'm ripping this thing out 85 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: and and I never went back. But then I wanted 86 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: a tattoo. Doing all the things I'm like trying to 87 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: trying to fit into this rock. I don't know, I think, um, 88 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, I always I wanted a tattoo, 89 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: remember being there's a reason why they don't give nine 90 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: year old tattoos. I wanted the bat symbol tattooed on 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: my chest as as a nine year old. And I 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: was like, man, if they could, if I could get 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: a tattoo, I would totally do this. In hindsight, like 94 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: I know me then I would have absolutely done it 95 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: given the opportunity. Well, let me ask you this question. 96 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: If you had to go back and either get the 97 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: bat symbol now on your chest or your name read 98 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: down on your back, I would do the bat symbol 99 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: in a heartbeat way less if you had to pick 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: one of the Yeah, it was one of those things. 101 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: My wife was like, well, you know you you said 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna call the band daughter. You know. I worked 103 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: at a car dealership and everybody always called me by 104 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: my last name. They always called everybody of the last name. 105 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: It was kind of I don't know, it sounded like 106 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: a military thing, like hey, daughter to do this, do this, 107 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: you know. And and so when I was coming off 108 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: the show, was like, I wanted to be a band. 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be like a solo pop artist. 110 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a band. That's what I grew 111 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: up listening to. That is what inspired me. And so 112 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: I was like, well, we could always call it Daughtry 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: for you know, name recognition, say, kind of like the 114 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: Bojovithing and and so she was like, when your last 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: name is not gonna change, so let's just just do that. 116 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: You know. How do you feel about that name of 117 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: the band dodtry, coming right off the worst band name ever? Think? 118 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: So is that something that you woult because of the name? Right? Yeah, 119 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: it is a big thing, and I wanted I didn't 120 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: like that was my least like that was my best 121 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: worst option, you know. I was like, well, we gotta 122 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: go with something recognizable. Um, I can't just come out 123 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: with some random band name coming off the show like that, 124 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: because then you know, nobody's gonna know what it is. 125 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I could have, and it worked. 126 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: It's tough though, to explain for Jared Letto after though, 127 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: they had a I mean really after It's like it 128 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: was hard. It's hard to puncture mainstream until something does it. 129 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, in thirty seconds to Mars had a song 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: before I think most of America realized oh, that's the 131 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: actor too. Yeah, people didn't even remember my so called life. 132 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: They were just like, oh, he looks kind of familiar. 133 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Now you're right, I guess the band broke before he 134 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: actually broke As a it was almost a cool thing 135 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: on the side. It was kind of like, oh, I 136 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: love this song, and did you know it's also Jared Letto. 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: And then it became Jared Letto's band and it kind 138 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: of manifested back into But they're also just really good. 139 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Like it always comes back to doubt that there are 140 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: a million actors trying to have bands, but unless you're 141 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: really freaking good, it doesn't matter. Yeah, and he's really good. 142 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: He's great. Talk to him. Probably six months or so 143 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: ago I saw him and I think Los Angeles, and 144 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I went up to him and he's warning this whole 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: Jesus outfit with the beer and it all looks like Jesus, right, yeah, yeah, 146 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: but he smells so good. Yeah, and he does like 147 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: a guy like that was picturing like more Petuli kind 148 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: of me too. He smells like kind of like Valentine's did. 149 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: If I had to pick up a smell could roses like. Yeah, 150 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: he just wanted to love him, you know, that's awesome. 151 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I've met him briefly and that was in his more 152 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: of his uh eyeliner days, the red hair and the eyeliner. 153 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: So it was briefly at like a Grammy's party or something, 154 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: but never really had a full conversation with him. Let me, 155 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: seems like a cool guy though. Yeah, it's real nice 156 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: to me. He didn't have to be nice to me. 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: It was super nice to me. So let me play 158 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: some of the number ones here, it's not over. Here's 159 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: this one. I was doing a pop and rock and 160 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: hip hop when this song was out. Yeah, I think 161 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: I think we spoke, didn't We probably listen. We had 162 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: a not so good experience, and we can we can 163 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: talk about that. But I would love to the play 164 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: by play. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. 165 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Let's run to the songs and then we can actually talk. Okay. Cool. 166 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: So that was two thousand six or seven. Two th 167 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: six or seven. Yeah, Yeah, that was the first one, right, 168 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: that was the first song. You co wrote that, so 169 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: you actually made some money off that? Yeah? Yeah, I UM. 170 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: I actually kept telling my producer at the time. I 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: was like, this is gonna be the single, this has 172 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: to be a single, and he's like, label's not gonna 173 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: go for that, and um and they did and it 174 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: worked out. I always just felt like there was it 175 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: was like the perfect hybrid between, you know, the grunge 176 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: that I grew up listening to and the the accessible 177 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: rock that was on the radio at the time. Did 178 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: you feel like you had to meet a certain radio 179 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: standard when you were making music early on? Did you 180 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: feel like you had to sort of chase something? And 181 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: I think I did it inherently, um, just because not 182 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: necessarily chasing. Let me rephrase, I think I did it 183 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: based on what I loved at the time. So I 184 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: kind of modeled what I was writing around the bands 185 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: that I was into at the time, and I wasn't 186 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: really paying attention to lyrics. I was into bands like 187 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Live and Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Tool Like. I wasn't 188 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: paying attention to lyrics as much as I was the 189 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: melodies and the way it grabbed me, you know. So, um, 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: So I remember writing a lot heavier and a lot 191 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: more just I wasn't really paying attention to the story 192 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: so much. It was more just thoughtless lyrics. And then 193 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,239 Speaker 1: I think I started paying more attention to the songwriting 194 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: aspects and the and the storytelling and things. Uh. In 195 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: my later twenties, I started going back and listening to 196 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, Elton John and a lot of the singer 197 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: songwriters that inspired the people that I listened to and 198 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: kind of did my homework that way. This one was 199 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: a monster home Come on, I wrote that one all. 200 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I wrote that, like right before going on idol Man. 201 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's is that the monster jam that you 202 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: play during a show when everyone's like everyone knows it 203 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: is that the one? And you know it's crazy, Like 204 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, but it's also the one song that 205 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, if I had to pick a song that 206 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm tired of playing, like, that's the one. But at 207 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: the same time, it's the most impactful. It's I was 208 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: looking at your interview with Mayor and you guys started talking. 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I've had this same conversation. 210 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: It's it's the ones that that feel like I didn't 211 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: really work hard to write this. This kind of like 212 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: fell in my lap. I wrote it, kind of wrote itself. 213 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: It's like the first five chords I ever learned how 214 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: to play on guitar, you know, and uh it's the 215 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: one that has had the most impact around the world 216 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: as far as like like the troops, military families and um, 217 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, so many like people of like that come 218 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: to me and said, we used this to send our 219 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: uh A family member off at their funeral. Like all 220 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: kinds of different usages for the song that I never 221 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: thought of when I was writing it. I was like, 222 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to leave my house, you know, and go 223 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: on American Idol for uh, you know, I've never like 224 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: left my wife and kids on and I have no 225 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: idea what I'm about to do or get into and 226 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And I'm in l a. We 227 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: all lived in North Carolina at the time, and I 228 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: just kind of got in that mindset like what it's 229 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: like to be away. I didn't even know what it 230 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: was like a foreshadowing, if you will. So yeah, that 231 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: the John Mairic conversation was for me for someone to 232 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: understand what I was talking about. Because if you go 233 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: back and there's an older episode if you're listening now, 234 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: or I was talking to John May and I said, hey, 235 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: some of these jokes that are just so easy and 236 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: down the middle for me, I don't even like telling, 237 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: but they get the they're the ones, and I'm like, 238 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: there's no effort in them. And I feel like a 239 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: fraud that I'm using that easiest thing. And if people 240 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: are loving it, so it makes me not want to 241 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: do it anymore because I feel like I can work 242 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: harder and it doesn't feel challenging to you. And he said, dude, 243 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: I do the same thing, And I thought, wow, and 244 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: and the and what we've done lately is I've just 245 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: I go out there with an acoustic guitar and I 246 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: play it without the band, and the whole first chorus 247 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: is all crowd and it's and I'm like, wow that 248 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: I guess that was something that I guess every songwriter 249 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: hopes to accomplish. You know that that even if you 250 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: have one song, that they're able to sing all the 251 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: words too, and you can just stop and they're all 252 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: on the same page. And that's that's what makes it 253 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: special now because it's it I feel that it's actually 254 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: doing something for them. I like a candid you are 255 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: about it, because all the artists that have major hits 256 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: feel that way, and even if they won't say it, 257 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: they have songs that they've had for so long there 258 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: were monsters for them. In a bit, they would like 259 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: to move on, but they also know that the people 260 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: love it and if they didn't play a song or 261 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: do whatever they do, that the people would leave disappointed. Yeah, 262 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: and so a bit you have to put the people 263 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: before you. Yeah. We went to see Billy Joel the 264 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: other night and uh at Madison Square Garden and granted, 265 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: he has so many hits, like it's impossible to play 266 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: them all. I mean, we'd be there all night. But 267 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: as I'm leaving, I'm thinking, oh, ship, he didn't play 268 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: just the way you are and that that was act. 269 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Wasn't thinking of that during the show, because you're like, oh, 270 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: I forgot about that's all. I forgot about that song. 271 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: But for us, we only have like you know, like 272 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: a handful of of hits, so we've got to be 273 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: more selective of what we choose not to play. The 274 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: Billy Joel thing is good though, if you then Brian 275 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Adams came out, did yeah, Oh that's cool. Yeah, Encore. 276 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Adams came out with Billy Joel Atian and the Encore. 277 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: They came out and did uh or Billy came out 278 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: and they did I think we didn't start the fire, 279 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: and then uh, out of nowhere, Brian Adams comes out 280 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: and they do Summer six nine. It was crazy. Yeah, 281 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: that's cool. In the whole crowd, not just the second 282 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: he hit the Danger Danger. Everybody just lost their minds, 283 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: including me. I was like a little girl. Billy Joel's 284 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: funny because he can still sing him but he has 285 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: to he has to change a key in on the 286 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: song at least a whole stuff. Yeah, because he's getting older. 287 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: An Elton did the same thing when I saw him. 288 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: Those Billy Joel songs are so high though when he 289 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: was much younger that he's saying in a really high 290 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: spot just naturally. Yeah, him and Elton, they were both 291 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: in these upper registers. That's the show. I've seen both 292 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: of them together too, and they do the dueling pianos. 293 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: It was cool. I kind of knew a little bit 294 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: of the story because I'd get to spend it was 295 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: just such a name drop thing, but I can spend 296 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: a little time with Eulton John and they really just 297 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: they hate each other. I don't know that they hate 298 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: each other heard but they Okay, well, I don't know 299 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: what you heard. I've only heard that they don't talk 300 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: and they go out on stage and do the show 301 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: in their way. Again, like there's nothing there's not from 302 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: what I've heard, there's not a real friendship there. But 303 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: they play it up so wonderfully. And if you didn't know, 304 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know, because the first time I saw was like, 305 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: that's amazing. They're best friends. I wonder if they have 306 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: like some eye signals that they're doing up there, just 307 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: like and they switch over to each other songs and 308 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: you're like, Oprah, sure they haven't dinner after yea that 309 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: they're they're talking about each other each other's dinner, probably 310 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: into the into the side microphone. They probably whispering things 311 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: to each other about each other. Let me talk about 312 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: sleep number for one second. Sleep is important. Talk about this. 313 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: It's where in my house your mattress makes a big difference. 314 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: And if you go downstairs into my bedroom you will 315 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: see a sleep number bed because I love it, had 316 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: one forever. I gotta be honest with you. I don't 317 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't have to have one anymore, and it really 318 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: does help. It helps me because that you know, if 319 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: you hear me talk much, sometimes I don't sleep well. 320 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: But I can tell you a big change for me 321 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: was when I got a mattress. I got a bed 322 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: that really was awesome. And maybe you've considered a Sleep Number. 323 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: There's never been a better time to go into a 324 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: Sleep Number store where all the beds are on sale 325 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: during the biggest sale of the year. My Sleep Number 326 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: setting is thirty and so it's a smart bed and 327 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I wonder what that was too. It's you choose the 328 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: comfort and the support, the right for you to adjust 329 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: on each side. It's the perfect bed for couples. You 330 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: can feel like contrast to your neck. Right now, the 331 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: biggest sell of the year where all beds are on sale, 332 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: plus on the new Sleep Number three sixty limited editions 333 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: smart bed Now through Labor Day, you'll only find Sleep 334 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: Number and into five hundred and fifty Sleep Number stores 335 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: nationwide find the one nearest you. Sleep Number dot com 336 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: slash bones. Okay, so let's do this. Feels like tonight 337 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, another monster for you? You still play 338 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: this one or not? Ye do. Yeah, that's a staple 339 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: in the set list. It's a big one. Man. It 340 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: would just be tough. I know that because yeah, I'm 341 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: gonna play some of the new record in a second 342 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: to because you have the new stuff, but you can't 343 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: get away from the big ones because the fans deserve 344 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: to hear them. And and I'm in the weird place 345 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: of being a fan of music and going I went 346 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and saw arin this is the thing that shaped me 347 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: with music can having to play the head. I want 348 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: to see r M once And they didn't play a 349 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: single song that it was all new records. Oh man, 350 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: I was so even if they had given me one 351 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: or two like no drive, no religion, no orange, not 352 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: even the frequency, none of that. It was all new stuff. 353 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Huge at the point where I just needed a couple 354 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I'm never going to be the 355 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: guy regardless of what I do that just goes out 356 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: and just goes all new, like Brooks who was a 357 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: little self indulgent. Right, But isn't what we do? I 358 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: mean no, I mean like to do nothing but new 359 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: stuff and and think that that the fans don't want 360 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: to hear the other it is. But to be fair, 361 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: what we do is self indulgent. So it's a low 362 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: hypocritical to go. It's so self indulgent to them. And 363 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: here I am, you know, hoping that another million people 364 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: listened to this podcast of you and I. So yeah, 365 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: what we do self indulgence. But I was disappointed. But 366 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm always going to be a opponent of 367 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: playing making sure the fans here that it's you know, 368 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: but artists talk all the time off the microphone, like, man, 369 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to play the song. I'm struggling with it. Yeah, 370 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you gotta play the big ones. There's some nights where 371 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: we're just like this one again. Is there any way 372 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: to swap it out? That we have some that we 373 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: just don't play, um, because it's actually some just don't 374 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: go over as well. A little piece of trivia about 375 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: that song though, feel like Tonight. Yeah, that was written 376 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: by Max Martin and Dr Luke and it was that 377 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: was one of the last songs added to the record 378 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: when we were making the first record, and it was 379 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: what they had written for me. Had I won the show, 380 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Oh that was gonna be the song that was gonna 381 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: be my winning song if I want? Yeah? Was it 382 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: because I was it's funny how my American idol life, 383 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: And you know, I really wasn't. I don't much with you, 384 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: but I feel while I was on the show last year, 385 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: I did a bunch of episodes as a mentor this 386 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: last year, and so it's I've kind of got into 387 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: it and saw what happens mentoring the contestants from week 388 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: to week, and so it's it's a very different format 389 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: than when I was on there. Well, to me, I 390 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: was just struck at how locked away everyone is. Yeah, 391 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: like you just are in your own insulated bubble. You 392 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: have no idea what's going. You don't see the judges, 393 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of fans just don't realize, like we 394 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: see the judges when they do on television, like right 395 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: there at their desk and that's it. Like I've see them, 396 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: and they say, I haven't seen Luke or Katie at all. 397 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I see. They would tell me they see me far 398 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: more than they see the judges, And I thought that 399 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: was crazy. And you guys didn't have social media, so 400 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, did you guys know how famous you 401 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: were getting as the show was going, No, no clue. Um. 402 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I remember going to the grove and it was like 403 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: we always had They always made sure we had security. 404 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, we don't need And then I realized, no, 405 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: you do. Like it was crazy how isolated we were 406 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: and how much we didn't know because even Twitter wasn't 407 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: a thing then, like nothing had come out. I don't 408 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: even know if Facebook was a thing, probably not two 409 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: thousand six, think my Space was still a thing that 410 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: was that was about it. You could you I didn't 411 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: even have a phone that could take a picture. Yeah, 412 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: I think too. It's not like you could be on 413 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: the phone and be on my Space. Mighty was my 414 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: Space ever mobile? Not really? No, at least usable. It 415 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: was never mobile, right, I mean you had it like 416 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: on really early smartphones, but no, nobody really got on 417 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: another phone. Used to take and make your wallpaper and 418 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: your music and yeah, used to yeah profiles, have to 419 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: pick your eight friends. Kids don't even know. You know, 420 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy and it's still around. But no, no, Russians 421 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: were hacking MySpace, you know what I mean? Let me 422 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: do one more from two thousand nine. There's no surprise jams. Yeah, 423 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: and you wrote that with Chadrov Bruger and uh, there's 424 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: a couple other Eric Dill and rest womb West ruinberg Um. 425 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: They already kind of started the song before I came 426 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: into the BUTU Yeah, me and Chad did all the 427 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: verses and the chorus was already written. What's that guy like? 428 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: He's a cool dude. I mean, I've known him for 429 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: a long time because we've toured together for so much 430 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: for so many times. But yeah, he's he's like family 431 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: to me. Are they so rich? Is he so rich? 432 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: I will? I don't know his bank account, but I 433 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: will say that I did get a chance to stay 434 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: one night on his boat on the last tour last year. 435 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: Been on the boat and apparently he would throw pillows 436 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: into the year and ski shoot him. Oh wow, I 437 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: think we didn't. We didn't get that crazy. No, No, 438 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: we were shooting other things. But yeah, they said we 439 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: went out on Jad Croker's boat and he started grabbing 440 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: pillows and they grabbed guns and we'd throw them up 441 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: in the air. You were like we were ski shooting 442 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: with nickelback. It was just out on the open water. Yeah, 443 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: on the open water. That I mean, that does sound 444 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: like something he would do. Like, I'm not even surprised. 445 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: Where were you when you were on the boat when 446 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: you were in Florida. We were. Yeah, we took a 447 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: jet just because we didn't he didn't want to take 448 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the lock and bus ride, which, hey, if you can 449 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: do it, do it. So I jumped on the jet 450 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: with him and stay on his boat. That was pretty 451 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: hung over the next day. Here, let's see you gotta 452 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: the list records, cage to rattle, and so how about 453 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: we play a little bit of deep end here into 454 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: all right? How about this one? What's up? Tell me 455 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: about this one? All right? So this one was one 456 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: of the last songs we recorded. Um Uh. It came 457 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: in from the label. I was absolutely, if I'm being 458 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: completely honest, I was opposed to putting it on the record. 459 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: UM at the time. It was very different song as 460 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: far as production. UM. I hated the bridge, and I 461 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: was like, well, at least if I'm gonna do this song, 462 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write the bridge, you know, get I gotta 463 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: have some sort of stamp and and and then of 464 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: course me and Jakir Jakiir King, who UM produced the 465 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: record as our first time working together, we went kind 466 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: of a bunch of different UM approaches to the to 467 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: the production. I think at one point it even had 468 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: like a reggae feel to it, and we ended up here. 469 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: But I had to I looked at it like this 470 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: was a very difficult record for me to make, in 471 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: the sense that I was in a very self doubting 472 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: um phase, like I was questioning everything. I didn't know 473 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: what was good anymore. You know. We had we had 474 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: taken a bit of time off the road, and I 475 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: was wanting to pursue acting and lived in l A 476 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: for a little bit, and it was just like I 477 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: didn't know where we were going to go musically for 478 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: the next record. I didn't know who was going to 479 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: produce it. I didn't even know if what I liked 480 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: was good enough or even accessible on radio anymore, you know, 481 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: that whole like feeling out of the loop. And so 482 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: when it got to that song, I was just like 483 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: I felt like I had to give myself up to 484 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: the process and just be like, you tell me what's good, dude, 485 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: because I'm in a place where I don't know if 486 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm holding myself back because I've got such bad demo 487 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: itis on everything that I'm just gonna have to let 488 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: you take the wheel. And then I would still go yeah, 489 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: but this ain't right. They gotta do this. So um. 490 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: It was my way of like kind of giving into 491 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: the process and diving into the deep end of my 492 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: emotions and just letting it all. It was a very 493 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: therapeutic record. I'll give you. I'll say that I want 494 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: to talk about life flock for one second. Then we'll 495 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: talk about because I'm also curious how you ended up 496 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: being here, because it's a I think we can figure 497 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: this out together. Let'll talk about LifeLock. Yeah, life flock is. 498 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: It's been a big help for me. 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So 523 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: we do the show from my house and I get 524 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: a message from one of my close friends who's also 525 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: my boss because he runs the whole country of I 526 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. He says, hey, what's up, Adeo Christo Tree. 527 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: I said nothing. I said a long time ago, we 528 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: weren't that cool. But don't even know if he knew 529 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: we weren't cool. I said, but why what's up? He goes, well, 530 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: I then you guys should should like be friends again. 531 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I never knew I might 532 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: even know you lived in Nashville. Frankay, I didn't know. 533 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: You looked at and he was like he he wants 534 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: to come over and say what up? And I was 535 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: like okay, cool, Like he said, what happened? I said, well, 536 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: here's what happened. We're on Whitchtock, Kansas twelve years ago, 537 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: maybe eleven, I'm not sure. I was young and idiot. 538 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: Now I'm just older than an idiot. And there was 539 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: a it was a show that one of my affiliates 540 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: when I was doing pop you know, because we were 541 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: playing your song. So I went up to that affiliate 542 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: and then we were doing an outdoor show and there 543 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: was a bus and some of the fans that had 544 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: won these package is, these charity packages came back and 545 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: you were signing stuff with them, and even me, I 546 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: thought it was called like freaking Chris Dodd was awesome. 547 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: And so they said, hey, can we take a picture 548 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: with you? And you said you can take a picture 549 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: of me, not with me, And I was like, oh, 550 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: I said that you did what a dick? Well listen, 551 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: I would I you And usually it's the other way around, 552 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: because I do have people that go, can I take 553 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: a picture of you? I'm like, no, take one with me. 554 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: Why would I say that? But again, first of all, 555 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: I was an idiot back then, So then I just went, okay, 556 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm done. Like so I can't be friends with somebody 557 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: like that, or I can't even know anybody like that. 558 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: So that was it. That was the thing that was okay. 559 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: So I had it mixed up with another time. I 560 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: was probably a dick to somebody else. I remember, I 561 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: was confusing. Okay, So here's my here's what happened. Yes, 562 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: I was unaware until my guitar player said, dude, I 563 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: heard Bobby Bone saying like something on the air. Uh, 564 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: And this was probably a couple of years ago that 565 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: you were like a douchebag or something like that. And 566 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: I was like, at the time, still in my egotistical way, 567 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: would be like, man, it was probably because he was 568 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a dick or something like that. I didn't I didn't 569 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: even stop and analyze it. So I was thinking, well, 570 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's this interview that I that I didn't like 571 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: what they were asking me, So I just wan list 572 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: that could have been it too. And that that happened. 573 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: But I never think about interviews because I so I 574 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: was like, I'm so not that dude anymore. And I 575 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: would love the opportunity to meet him face to face 576 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: and hash this out, because like, that's the last thing 577 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: I want people to take away. I do know that 578 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: I had a tendency like I was stupid. I was young. 579 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. I was thrown 580 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: into this industry without any experience with Notre Idea or anything, 581 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: and I was twenty six. I was like, look at 582 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: the time, I thought I knew what I was doing. 583 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: I look back now and I was like, my twenties 584 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: were just complete. That was an idiot. Yeah so yeah, 585 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: me too. I feel like I've I've shut that that 586 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: that part of me. Thank God. Don't you feel like 587 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: that when you hit your forties in mid forty be 588 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: like my thirties, I was such an idiot probably like dude, 589 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting close, we're getting old. Think we're the same age. 590 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: I'll be thirty nine in December. Yeah, okay, so yeah, 591 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: well good, I'm glad we had this conversation. And I 592 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: always like uncomfortable conversations because resolution always comes from uncomfortable 593 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: conversations and so but that was it. I don't even 594 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: know if a couple of years ago I was talking 595 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: about it, because I don't even remember, it could have 596 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: been even longer ago, and and I just held onto it. 597 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: So anytime your name came up, I associated with the 598 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: guy that said I was a douchebag. And then I 599 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: started analyzing it from maybe your perspective and going maybe, 600 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: I was maybe I need to like find out what 601 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: this is actually about, because either way, I'm sure I've 602 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: piste off quite a few people along the way. How 603 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: did you end up here though? Like Nashville, Tennessee? How 604 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: do you want to live here? Well, we were in 605 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: l A for a little bit. I think we've made 606 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: it a year out there, and I was just like, 607 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: it's not for me. You know, we have a lot 608 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: of kids, so we're just starting to look for a 609 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: place too permanently hang our hats and school districts and everything. 610 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: Was just like, what are we doing? This is too much? 611 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Had some actor of friends that that are you know, 612 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: actually successful at it and have nothing to do with 613 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: l A. You know, they live out in upstate New York, 614 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: and I was just like Okay, I guess you don't 615 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: have to. Um, I remember watch your feet. I drop 616 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: a lot of names to this guy named Jeffrey Dean 617 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Morgan is on Walking Dead plays Negan buddy of mine. 618 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: He was like, why are you in l A. Why 619 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's the dumbest thing you could 620 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: be doing. You can act anywhere. And I always wanted 621 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: to be an actor when I was a kid. But 622 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get back into the music. 623 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta like realized that this is like 624 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: I have a pretty incredible opportunity here, and I'm not 625 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna spend more time chasing something else when this is 626 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: slowly and slowly fading, you know. And and at that point, 627 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: it was like two or three years after our last record, 628 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is this is by the 629 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: time we get this record down, it's gonna be like 630 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: five years. Oh my god. I started having a panic attack. 631 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: So a couple of my guys had already moved to 632 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: Nashville from various places, one from California, went from Virginia, 633 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: and I had some other buddies that were in the 634 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: music industry that we're completely unaffiliated with country. There were 635 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: more urban hip hop and and UH and R and B, 636 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: and they moved their whole team out here, and I 637 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: was like, man, everybody's moving out here must be like 638 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: the thing to do. And so we started looking at 639 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: houses and we're like, oh, it's way more affordable than 640 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: what are we thinking. So we went back to l 641 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: A that we and started packing our bags. Yeah, and 642 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: so we've been here a couple of years now and 643 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's definitely closer to where we were 644 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: from in North Carolina as far as the landscape of things, 645 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: but it's also close to a major airport. It's close 646 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: to you know, the industry. It's a lateral move for 647 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: me because everybody I wrote with in l A happens 648 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: to either live out here now or right out here 649 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: half the time. So it was it was just it 650 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: just made sense. That's cool. Well, by the way, I'm 651 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: totally good with us. Oh yeah, Like I'm like, we're good. 652 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: Oh I was too, Yeah, making sure that I was 653 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: like stem that and we're like, like, I'm over. I'm 654 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: also an adult now, yeah, and I have less petty 655 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: things totally. You know, listen to say I'm not petty 656 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: would be absolutely inaccurate, but I'm less petty. Yeah, and 657 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: I was. You know, A many times people are coming 658 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: to me and said, oh, you were such a dick 659 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: or a dude, and I'm like, I used the same way, like, no, 660 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: you probably were, but now I go, you're probably right. Yeah, 661 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: it's weird. Man. The ego is a funny thing. It 662 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: can make you just if you take yourself too seriously. 663 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: It's funny if you can take your own head out 664 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: of your own body and and look at it from 665 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: a distance, like you're watching a movie. That's the way 666 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: I've kind of had to like really work on myself. 667 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: It's like like if I was watching me on TV 668 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: right now, because you can always tell what everybody's doing. 669 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: When you're watching a reality show or something, you can 670 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: call it, oh, they're being a dick, or oh they're 671 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: terrible human being or this, And when you can take 672 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: yourself out outside yourself and see it in that perspective, 673 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: it's easy to go, oh, maybe maybe they're right, Maybe 674 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: my wife is right, maybe I am a dick. Yeah, 675 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: so we're gonna yeah, that's fantastic. We're both adults, both 676 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: just trying to survive in the creative world. Which is 677 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: almost an impossible place to survive. Yeah, so you mentioned 678 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Walking Dead. You watch Walking Death in Your President? Yeah, yeah, 679 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: I was into it before he got on the show, actually, 680 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: but but yeah, I'm a huge fan me too. I'm 681 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: not sure how they're gonna wrap up Rick season. Last season, 682 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: whenever Nigan came onto the show I wrote about in 683 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: my last book because I was actually writing my last book. 684 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Whenever that first episode happened where he's where he pops 685 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: the skull. Good god, that was that was hard. That 686 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: was probably one of the hardest things for me to watch, 687 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: the hardcore episode. Right. That show has been so consistently good, 688 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: and it has its up and downs, and it has 689 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: to being that many seasons, but it's a really it's 690 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: a really strong good show. Yeah, I'm curious to where 691 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: they're going to go with it. That outperforms network shows. 692 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it was really one of the first shows 693 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: aside from the Sopranos. Do you watch Breaking Bad? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 694 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: yeah that was. And but the thing about Breaking Bad 695 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: is it really caught on almost like with mainstream. Three 696 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: fourths of the way through its whole run, everybody started 697 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: going back to watch it. That was me I've found 698 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: out about it, like when it was in its fourth season. Yeah, 699 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't cool either, and I caught onto it late 700 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: to But yeah, I'm a huge walking Dead fay to 701 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: see your boy. He talked to him, tell him big fans, 702 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: I will. I was actually just talking to him two 703 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: days ago. Yeah. Game of Thrones is another one that 704 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm obsessed with me and they just delayed that again. 705 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: They yeah, maybe two thou or they saying, did you 706 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: read that later in the year, I'm supposed to be 707 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: like Spring of two thousand nineteen. Now it's going to 708 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: be even later. Two things got delayed Game of Thrones, 709 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: and they moved back the Top Gun movie a whole year. 710 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: Today he's the were doing Top Gun two or going 711 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: to be in it. He's an instructor this time. And 712 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: did Valve sign you know? I don't think so, yeah, 713 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: come on, wow, yeah, I don't know. So. Yeah, it's 714 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: cool that you guys have a nice man with the 715 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: acting thing. Tell me about that for a second. I 716 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: just um, As a kid, like I always always wanted 717 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: to dress up and be something else, you know. I 718 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: was always like into like the superhero shows, and I 719 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: would cut my jeans up look like Luke Rignose Halt. 720 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: How'd you like doing stage? I as far as um 721 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: like theater. I did it in high school, and I 722 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: liked it. I'm not as much into the musical thing, 723 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: but I do have a lot of respect for it 724 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: because I was reading, I was looking over some stuff 725 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: before you came in and said, high school you you 726 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: did a couple of big productions. Yeah we did. Uh? 727 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: I was I was the I was Scarecrow and the Whiz. 728 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was fun. Were you are really good? No, 729 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: obviously were good. But were you known in high school 730 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: as the really good singer guy? Not until eleventh grade. 731 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: I I kept that from people, Like it was one 732 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: of those things that I didn't identify myself with, so 733 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: I assumed that it would be weird for other people 734 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: if if they knew that about me. Like I was 735 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: the dude that was always drawing, and I played some 736 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: sports here and there. I like I was the kid 737 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: that was friends with everyone, Like I had no enemies 738 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: and I could fit in with any crowd, the guys, 739 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: the nerds, the the you know, the the jocks. Like 740 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: I always had friends in each circle. I don't even 741 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: know why. Maybe it was survival, but UM always like 742 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: I just never had a problem with anyone, So I 743 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: always just thought that people associated me with I'm the art. 744 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: I was the artist to do that, drew comic books 745 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: and the guy that you know did did uh, you know, 746 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: some acting here and there, and was always in the 747 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: gym lifting weights. So I I was always like even 748 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: my best friend didn't know I was like a singer, 749 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, dude, really kind of sing 750 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: and he's like, what app dude? And then I remember 751 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: I think I broke out some boys two men, and 752 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: he was like, oh ship and uh. But I kind 753 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: of like I was always like the guy that would 754 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: sing along to the radio and just I assumed that 755 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: everybody could do that. So I didn't think I had 756 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: anything really special until I got maybe in my later teens, 757 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: and I was kind of felt like I could mimic 758 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot of of bands that I liked and the singers, 759 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: and I started like kind of fantasizing about that idea 760 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: of like maybe I could do that, and I would 761 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: see concerts and it would kind of get me more hype. 762 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: I remember you ever heard alive, dude, I'm I'm the 763 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: biggest life. Okay, so Throwing Copper was that was the moment, 764 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: like I changed my life. I my brother had he's 765 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: five years older than me. He had this cassette tape 766 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: and he was like, dude, you gotta hear this song 767 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: and he played Lightning Crashes and I was like, this sucks. 768 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: It was terrible, and I was like, oh, I've seen 769 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: this video on MTV and it's depressing and all that. 770 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: And then I heard it more and more and I 771 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: just started falling in love with his voice. At Qualtic, 772 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: who became like a really um became kind of a 773 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: mentor slash really good friend of mine. And I remember 774 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: seeing them on the Secret Sobodi Tour nineties seven and 775 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: I was like, jaw wide open, obviously not on a 776 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: camera phone watching the show. I was like engaged, and 777 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: I have memories of just going like that. That's that's it. 778 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to go to school for acting, 779 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to draw comic books. I want to 780 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: do that. So I had a buddy of mine start 781 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: showing me how to play guitar and learn some chords 782 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: and started trying to emulate all my heroes. That Throwing 783 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: Copper album is one of my favorite albums that still 784 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: holds up. Yeah, it's still holds Hey, pull up Lives 785 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: like they're they're they're most played songs. I'm a big 786 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: Life fan and so your friends. Yeah yeah, yeah, he was, Um, 787 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: we've done many shows together. Um, he's come out and 788 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: joined me on stage. I've come out and joined them 789 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: and they're back together live original line up there on 790 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 1: tour right now. So um, I was just talking to 791 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: him like two or three days ago. I'm assuming Lightning 792 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: Crashes their number one song. Yeah, number one. He played 793 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: that a little bit for Fraudy. That's one they'll never 794 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: not play. They can't. You want to see piste off. 795 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: People don't play Liightney crashes. God, this song was so good, 796 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: Like I would listen to the Edge out of Dallas 797 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: that have someone recorded on cassette. It's in in it 798 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: to me because I have a market so off and 799 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: this was always on the edge crash normal love that 800 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: you hear a song I just kind of remind you 801 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: of where you were whenever. That song was the thing 802 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: place into floor And for the radio edit, they had 803 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: changed it to her intentions because they couldn't say placenta 804 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: they changed it on the radio. Was her intentions fall 805 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: to the floor? Yeah, well he did that on the 806 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: second verse, so they must have just swapped it out. 807 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: It's crazy. What's the second song from same record? Was 808 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: that it was top to bottoms so good. Yeah, this 809 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: is one of my most played records of high school. 810 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: It was like sank and they loved the Flanger. It 811 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: was Nirvana and Garth and Tim mcgrawl and Live and 812 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: Pearl Jam and a little Naughty by Nature. Dude, all 813 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: of that was where this same age, So I remember 814 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: all of those things popping at the same time. Naughty 815 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: by Nature, Pearl Jam, Garth Brooks was huge there. Yeah, 816 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: it's that's funny. If I haven't thought about live It 817 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: so long, and tonight I'll go listen all the live 818 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: again because it's there are two times that you go 819 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: back and listen to awesome music that you used to have. 820 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: One whenever someone reminds you of how good it wasn't 821 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: two when they die, and really you really don't want 822 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: to go back when they die and have to because 823 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: I was listening to a lot of the Aretha stuff 824 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: again and I get again. I was born in nineteen eighty, 825 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: so I didn't get to experience prime Aretha, but to 826 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: go back and to listen to it and watch some 827 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: of the YouTube videos and see her sing like in 828 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: some of the raw footage, like maybe one of the 829 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: best singers I've ever seen sing period. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, 830 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: and I'm in the land of great singers. Yeah, I 831 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: see him all the time, and even watching her, I 832 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: saw clipping her and Smokey Robinson and they were sitting 833 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: beside each other. And I'm a music nerd, right, so 834 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: I ate it up. And they were with Don Cornelius 835 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: and they were sitting at the piano and they were 836 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: doing a Smokey Robins song and he starts to sing back, uh, 837 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: and then she starts to sing its. Smokey Robinson is fantastic, 838 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: one of the greats. And it was like, uh, the 839 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: real professionals here now, and she was singing one of 840 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: his songs. That's how I felt when I felt when 841 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: I did a song with Vince Gilla, like this is 842 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: how you sing, boy. So what we did a song 843 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: on our second record, Leave This Town, a song called 844 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee Line. Uh Me and my guitar player wrote it. 845 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: When we were in Germany. We were UM. It was 846 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of like we were tapping into a little little 847 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: country vibe. And I originally had wanted UM to do 848 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: this song with a with a female vocalists. Um Alison 849 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: Krauss was top of my list and she wasn't available 850 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: or I didn't care, I don't know. We got like 851 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: word back that she wasn't available. She probably said I 852 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: hate that band. I don't know. I've never met her, 853 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: but I absolutely love her and her voice is like 854 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 1: an angel. So UM, I was like, man, I don't 855 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: know who else we could get. And I was working 856 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: with Richard Marks in the studio on another song on 857 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: that record, and he was I was playing him some 858 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: of the songs that were recording. He was like, dude, 859 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: you know you need to get you need to get 860 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: Vince Gil. I was like, oh cool, Well, why don't 861 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: you just call him up for me? And he goes, oh, 862 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: I will He's one of my best friends. I was like, okay, 863 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: I thought you were just joking around. But then I 864 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: get this call from Vince and he's like, hey, man, Howard, 865 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: you want to do country, and uh, I'll do it, man, 866 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: I do it. Just I was like well, you never. 867 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: You haven't even heard the song yet. For all you know, 868 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: it's like about hookers and blow or something, you know. 869 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: And he goes, man, I love that stuff. It's like, yeah, 870 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: I like this guy's guy's funny. He goes, oh, you 871 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: always beer and pizza. I still haven't paid him back. Um, 872 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 1: but no, sure enough. We we sent him the session. 873 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: He was about to go on vacation. And uh, actually, 874 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: now that I think about that, the hookers and blow 875 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 1: thing might not be a good thing to put in here. 876 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: But it was a funny joke. Um, it was obviously 877 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: a joke that was obviously obviously people. Um. But he 878 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: sent it back. He had his dude lay down some 879 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: fiddle on it, and uh, he sent it back and 880 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: and it was just a rough mix. But his voice 881 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: was about five to ten d be louder than mine. 882 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: And when he came in on that second verse, I 883 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: was just like what it was like God saying this 884 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: is how you sing. That's always how I looked at it. 885 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: But his voice is so incredible. That was, to me 886 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: was like the male version of what I heard Alison 887 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: Cross do in my head. What a vocalist have you 888 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: been able to be? Around, performed with or two Beyond 889 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: tour with and actually see what you do on eyeballs. 890 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: There you go. Oh, that's the next level. Kelly Clarkson 891 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: in the studio in the vocal booth, re ridiculous, effortless, 892 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: like honestly made me mad. I'm singing right now. We 893 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: did a song together. It never got out. Is that 894 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: now that we're talking about Richard Marks? I was. I 895 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: wrote it with him and I named Jason Wade from Lifehouse, 896 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 1: and we were writing it for UM. We're just doing 897 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of writing. We happened to all be in 898 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: l at the same time and and UM and Kelly 899 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: was working on her record with Howard Benson. And I 900 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: knew Howard because we had already done two records together. 901 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, see if she see if she 902 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: liked this, And I did a demo of it and 903 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of rocked it up a little bit, and she 904 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: loved it, and we went and cut the cut the song, 905 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: and I was just like flow. I knew she was good. 906 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: I've seen her perform many times, and we had performed 907 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: together at bridge Stone years ago when we came through 908 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: with Three Doors Down. She did Fast Car with me 909 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: that's so cool and uh, but I had never worked 910 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: with her in the booth and I was just floored 911 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: in her technique and like she's flawless, her pitch and 912 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: everything is just next level. It's funny you mentioned Richard 913 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: Marx because to some people, Richard Marx is wherever you go, 914 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: I will be right here waiting you. But he's a 915 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: big producer now working He's written like so many writer 916 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah. He was talking one of my friends 917 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: last week and she was like, with Richard Mark's writing 918 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: and she really doesn't know him as anything other than 919 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: the guy that writes, right, And like me, I was 920 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: just at the age where I remember him on the 921 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: radio when I was a kid. Dude, it was all 922 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: endless summer nights, like all that stuff was like staple 923 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: and like you turned the radio and there's Richard Martin 924 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: and I'm a huge Cubs fan and he would wear 925 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: the Cubs hat. Yeah and from Chicago. Yeah, so rich 926 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Jason from Lifehouse. I was a big 927 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: Lifehouse guy, Like is he I didn't know that? Do 928 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: you know him? Yeah? Yeah, great dude, salted the Earth. Yeah, 929 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: I was a big Life House, great writer. So what 930 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Something to going to is that where's rock 931 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: music now? And what is rock music? Like? I had 932 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: no idea. I don't either. I don't know the definition 933 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: of it anymore. Um, you know, I I think we're 934 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 1: still in a time where the radio scared of guitars. 935 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't feel like I have 936 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: my finger on the or my thumb on the pulse 937 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: enough to know when that's changing. So what do you 938 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: do though? I mean, we we brought guitars back in 939 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: our record and just said, you know, this is what 940 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: we do. So I don't know if that's gonna hurt 941 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: us or help us, but um, I know that that's 942 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: what I love. That's what really drew me into music, 943 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: just hearing the you know, like we went to see 944 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: the same bands. You know, you see that and that 945 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: that is your idea of rock and roll, And um, 946 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: I think Imagine Dragons does a pretty decent job of 947 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: navigating between both worlds. Um, it's always can it be 948 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: translated heavier live? You know, which we tend to do 949 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: a lot too. Um, But yeah, I don't know. I 950 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of great rock acts out there 951 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: that that aren't seeing the line of day. You think, 952 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: imagine dragon to a rock. I think they started that 953 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: way or did they were the Killers? I think that's rock. 954 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: I think it's it's I think it's more about the 955 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: attitude behind it too. And that was the point of 956 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: my question because people struggle with this in country too. 957 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: They go as, in country, is it not? There's not 958 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: a right answer. Yeah, I think it's I think it's 959 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: the intention behind it. Um. I think everything is kind 960 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: of all kind of like when you go over to 961 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: Europe and two over there, like all genres are kind 962 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: of played everywhere. It's not like you got this format, 963 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: this format, this format. Um. It feels like it's all 964 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: like we did a show with Backstreet Boys over in 965 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: Germany and we were like, this is interesting, but equal 966 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: fan base, like the fan base that's human though, to 967 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: be fair, Like on my radio show now and it's 968 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: on a hundred and thirty cities in Canada twenty or so, 969 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: so you know, we have a broad audience that comes 970 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: to listen to a country. But I play hip hop 971 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: on my morning show. I would play imagine dragons. I 972 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: love all of it, People love all of it. It's nobody, 973 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: nobody turns away when they see any of that live. 974 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: You know, and if you look at something you talk 975 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: about looking at your life as a movie, if you 976 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: just look at someone's phone, no one's phone is a 977 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: format of music. No one's phone is a format. No 978 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: one's car is a format. The only thing this format 979 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: and categories are fine to be able to separate things. 980 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about what consumers like, and that's 981 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: what I try to do. Try to be the pulse 982 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 1: of what people like. Um there, the formats aren't a thing. 983 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,800 Speaker 1: You may lean a bit, you may like a certain 984 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: sound a bit more, but everybody loves some Frank Sinatra 985 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: and everybody loves Snoop Dogg. You know, everybody loves people 986 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: usually like both a little bit. You know, we prints 987 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Um yeah, it's it's it's I 988 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: wish that it didn't feel so separated sometimes. You know, 989 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: I do understand that people go to the format or 990 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: actually you probably know more than I do on how 991 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: it's tested and how they judge what, what's able to 992 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: be played on what. But I just think I look 993 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: at it from a like maybe maybe I don't know 994 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, but like put it out there 995 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: and let's see what it does like let it, let 996 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: it have a life of its own. Let let the 997 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,919 Speaker 1: people judge, you know, whether that's going to be played 998 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: or not. I mean, and that's what people do to us. 999 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: They judge. Come, they listen, they don't, they decide. Um. Yeah, 1000 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing to go away. What is rock music? 1001 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: Because what is country music? What is even? What is 1002 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: hip hop? You know? Yeah, Mikeda is mumble rap hip 1003 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: hop hip hop right now? Yeah? You know? Now I 1004 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: love I love Postmalon and something. I listened to it 1005 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: like every night before I go off. He's die hard 1006 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: Postmon and we'll play it on the show some and 1007 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 1: he seemed postmone live. But it's is he good? He's 1008 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: really good and he can do anything. And he plays guitar. 1009 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: My comparison to my d who's how old was and 1010 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: they're not the same, but they feel the same. Kid 1011 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: rock when he came. Okay, he's kind of a hip 1012 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: hop guy, but he does some rocks stuff and now 1013 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: he's kind of country. I don't only know what he 1014 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,919 Speaker 1: but it's all kind of good. Did you see him live? 1015 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 1: And he does all of it kind of that he 1016 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: plays guitar and sings, and he does hip hop and 1017 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,720 Speaker 1: he's I could totally see him pulling out a country 1018 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: song and it and it being completely believable. Yeah, I 1019 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: can see it, Yeah in some Texas and we would 1020 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: go believe he has country roots too. Yeah. Yeah, you 1021 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: know what, Um, I didn't know there's you gets this 1022 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: old eight million records. Huh, that's what it is. That's 1023 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: a that's a lot of records. Man, I appreciate that. Yeah, listen, 1024 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: a lot of this isn't from mine. The whole first 1025 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: part of this interview was but I made a few 1026 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: notes that I wanted to, uh, to bring up things 1027 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know behind I guess Kelly and Carrie, you're 1028 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: the third biggest alum from Idol as far as like selling, 1029 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: and it's crazy, that's cool when they when I hear that, 1030 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: it always kind of it's sometimes I forget, you know, 1031 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't never really try not to pay attention to 1032 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: all the accolades and the numbers, and it's it's fun 1033 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: to hear It's like, oh, yeah, we've done all right. 1034 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: The rumor that I always heard was that you had 1035 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,359 Speaker 1: either audition, they wanted you to sing for fuel when 1036 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 1: you come off idle. Was that true? Oh? Yeah, it 1037 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: was crazy. It was after my first week of the 1038 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: actual competition. I think we did um. It was the 1039 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: week after I did hemorrhage in my hand, and there 1040 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: Joe Randy Jackson came up to me after that show 1041 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: that night, we were all headed to the dressing room 1042 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: and it was one of the very few times that 1043 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 1: I actually saw him outside of the judging table, and 1044 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: he was like, dude, my boy Carl Bell from Fuel, 1045 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: hit me up. They might be looking for you, man, 1046 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: and they might be looking at it. I was like, why, 1047 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: he goes, I think they're looking for a singer. I'm like, 1048 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: what what happened to Brett? He goes, I don't. I 1049 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: don't think it's working out. I don't. Well, that's flattering, 1050 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: but obviously I can't do anything because he goes, yeah, 1051 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: but you know, don't be surprised if you hear anything, 1052 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, And they kind of like waited, and then 1053 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: they hit me up when they knew that I wasn't 1054 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: on the show anymore, hit you up, and uh, actually 1055 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: they went on Entertainment tonight and actually did a blurb 1056 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: on that saying, hey, Chris Daltrey, you know, we're we're 1057 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,720 Speaker 1: looking for a singer hit us up. And it was weird, 1058 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 1: like I didn't know what to do. Like I was like, wow, 1059 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, if I was maybe maybe if I was, 1060 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: you know, still a nobody, and I was, and and 1061 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 1: I don't mean that in any sort of, ah, disrespectful way, 1062 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: but like I pictured me like if I was in 1063 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: the clubs before I ever went on Idol, spinning wheels, 1064 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: not you know, maybe playing for gas money, if that 1065 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: offer came along, it would be like no brainer, Like 1066 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: this is much better than where I'm at right now. 1067 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,800 Speaker 1: And obviously nobody's beating down the doors at these clubs 1068 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: to assign me. But I had had this opportunity to 1069 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: be on American Idol, and I was like, this is 1070 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: like my audition for every record label out there, really 1071 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,880 Speaker 1: and to do what I do and not be limited 1072 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: to someone else's success or someone else's songwriting. And I 1073 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: was like, man, that that's really flattering, but yeah, I 1074 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,879 Speaker 1: just I can't in my right mind can't say yes 1075 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: to this, and the guy is still alive. So that 1076 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: always felt weird too. It's not like you look out 1077 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: in the audience and he's like flipping you off. Well, 1078 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: listen the new album's cage to rattle, check it out. Um, 1079 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: let's play Michae. Let's play one more track from the 1080 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,399 Speaker 1: new record before we jump out of here. Why don't 1081 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: we play backbone? How do you? How do you sing 1082 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: like this? If you have a cold or if you're sick? Man? 1083 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,440 Speaker 1: Colds are my worst enemy. Um, you know I rarely 1084 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: get them, Thank god. Um, I rarely get them. But 1085 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 1: that cold isn't nearly as bad as like a sinus 1086 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: infection or something like that. That's when I'm like or bronchitis. 1087 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,879 Speaker 1: That's I've had it like maybe twice UM on tour 1088 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: and laryngitis a couple of times. I think we've can't 1089 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: intend twelve years of touring, we've canceled like three shows 1090 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: because of being sick. I hate canceling. I hate and 1091 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: I'll go to stand up and I care so much 1092 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 1: about the people that come, and I know they've made 1093 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: plans for we and your voices, your work, tickets, and 1094 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: they also don't want to give them a bad show 1095 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: if I'm not feeling well. So you're just so torn. 1096 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: They got probably something got babysitters and they actually came 1097 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: and took part of their life and came to see 1098 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: me like that's a big deal to yea. And so 1099 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,480 Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to be in compassionate and empathetic. 1100 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,360 Speaker 1: Really changes things when you when it comes time to, 1101 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, make that decision, do I cancel? And then 1102 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: you think about the hundreds or thousands of people that 1103 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 1: just maybe drove an hour, hour and a half had 1104 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: planned it for weeks, months, sometimes here in advance. It's crazy. 1105 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 1: Well makes you disappoint Chris, it's good. It's good to spiss. 1106 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,480 Speaker 1: We've done an hour and that's a good that's a 1107 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: strong hour. Yeah, it was strong. It was strong. Good. 1108 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: I didn't hang up on you, and I didn't. It's 1109 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,800 Speaker 1: all good. I think for old time's sake, instead of 1110 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: taking a picture of you, will take one together. We'll 1111 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: post it. Have great. Well, you'll be like, look at that. No, really, 1112 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really excited you came over. I am to 1113 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: thank you very much for taking the time to have 1114 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: me and shout out to our buddy Kevin Legrett who yes, 1115 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,279 Speaker 1: thank you Kevin, who is here. Yeah. And and it's 1116 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: a big part of my life personally and in my career, 1117 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 1: So shout out Kevin loved man all right well christ 1118 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: Audrey episode one thirty eight thanks to sleep Number and LifeLock. 1119 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out Cage to rattle, stream, download 1120 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: by it anyway to consume it that you'll consume it. 1121 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: Go see him though, That's the important thing. It comes around. 1122 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 1: Go see him because that's how that's how artists. It's 1123 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: a fun time. Oh we're gonna Oh we're playing the 1124 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 1: Ryman septem You gotta come. Boy? Is it a weeknight 1125 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: because I wake up through in the morning. Man, is 1126 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,640 Speaker 1: it a week night? It's probably Thursday or something. I 1127 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: won't even go to radio the radio hours or rough. 1128 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If it's on a weekend and 1129 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm not on the road, I would love it. We 1130 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: got you taken care of if that's the case, and 1131 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: and any other time obviously So at the Rhyman in 1132 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: Nashville in September September twenty, what's the sorry, people to 1133 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: go check out the Daughtry official dot com. Oh you 1134 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: don't have Daughtry dot com? Yeah, what's up with that? 1135 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 1: We don't happen, Yeah I must be Yeah, check out 1136 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: Cage Radical Chris I do have Chris at Chris Daughtry 1137 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I did manage to get that one. You 1138 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: have to buy it. No, we actually uh we actually were. 1139 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: Um we had we knew someone who made a phone call. 1140 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what that phone call entailed, but we 1141 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 1: got we got the domain. I can't get at Bobby 1142 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: Bones and they're not even using it, you know, they 1143 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,320 Speaker 1: just sit on it for what for us to pay 1144 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: for it? Evisual? Well, I do have an underscore on 1145 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: on my Twitter account. That is true. That guy Underscore doctors. 1146 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 1: That guy won't move. We'll see you guys next time. Chris. 1147 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for the time, all right,