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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly here

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Speaker 2: with the Matt Williamson. Somebody asked me you ask people

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Speaker 2: for questions. Yeah, yeah, on our YouTube butt channel. And

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Speaker 2: somebody asked me why I am not the Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason there's an impetus for calling you the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson because Matt Williamson is a fairly common name. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly is not a fairly common name.

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Speaker 3: That's true as well. But I'm proud of myself. My

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Speaker 3: kids recently googled Matt Williamson. I was the first one

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Speaker 3: I came up.

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Speaker 2: That's why I asked Mat. That's why I say that

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Speaker 2: pretty good company. Yeah, there's only one. He's the one.

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Speaker 2: He's the one that everybody needs to know. There's only

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Speaker 2: you know, for Dale Lollies. There may be another Dale

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Speaker 2: Lollie out there, and it's a much more popular name

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Speaker 2: in like Alabama. I guess no, really, yeah, but there

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Speaker 2: aren't any. All the lollies that I know in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: are related to me.

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Speaker 3: I gotcha, Okay.

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Speaker 2: In my generation of the Lolly family, we had a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of girl I had a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: girl cousins. I had two boy cousins, but they were

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Speaker 2: both from my dad's sister. So I was the only

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Speaker 2: Lolly boy for a long long time out of like

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Speaker 2: sixteen grandkids.

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Speaker 3: So growing up, I always thought Williamson was such a

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Speaker 3: common name. I went in my mom's maiden name, which

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Speaker 3: is Zebrovis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not bush Hammer, which was my mother's maiden name.

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Speaker 3: That's my mother in law's maiden name, bush Hammer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Indeed very German, now very German. Yes, but I wanted

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Speaker 3: to that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: I said, you should have named your son because what

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Speaker 2: we did with my son, my oldest son, we picked

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Speaker 2: one of my one father's family side of the family,

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Speaker 2: one of his uh in the last names that were

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Speaker 2: involved there. Yeah, yeah, so his his middle name is Holt.

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Speaker 2: Of your son's name middle name should have been Buschhammer.

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Speaker 3: Should have been Buschhammers or of Brovis was a good

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Speaker 3: one too. Yeah. He actually the same initials as bush Hammer.

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Speaker 3: He's mc W He's Michael Craig. I wanted to call him,

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Speaker 3: Michael Corleone Williamson. Yeah, but I still have a mic

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Speaker 3: and a Kate because my kids don't look like Apollonia.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we digressed. That's why it's the Matt.

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Speaker 3: Williams Asoloonia Williamson wouldn't have wouldn't have gone over well

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Speaker 3: with super german looking daughter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So today's practice reports, Yeah, let's roll Man and Colts.

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Speaker 2: Uh for the Steelers, things looking a little better. The

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Speaker 2: only guys who did not practice today were the same

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Speaker 2: two that weren't you know, a rush situation. We're getting

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Speaker 2: Jayalen Warren and Alex high Smith.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Smith, we basically know is out? Is Warren still

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Speaker 3: a game time decision? Are we thinking there's a pretty

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Speaker 3: good chance see what happens tomorrow? Russell Wilson limited again today.

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Speaker 3: Nausee Harris who was given to day off yesterday, full participant, uh,

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Speaker 3: Deshaun Elliott who was limited yesterday with the quad, was

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Speaker 3: a full participant today.

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Speaker 2: Who else? Well, Michael Pruet didn't practice again today.

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Speaker 3: That one doesn't look super promising, right, TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt Beckett practice today?

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Speaker 3: Excuse me?

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Speaker 2: And Larry Ogan. Joe be Beckett practice today? On the

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Speaker 2: cult side of things, though, some interesting guys on this

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Speaker 2: not practicing. Kenny Moore, that's big for the second consecutive day,

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Speaker 2: did not practice with a hip issue. He's their best corner.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's one of the best slots in the league.

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Speaker 3: But he's such a good slot that he also plays

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Speaker 3: outside in two corner situations.

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Speaker 2: One of their other corners, Chris Lammon's still not practicing.

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Speaker 2: He's got a knee and ankle issues. Limited participant was

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Speaker 2: linebacker Grant Steward quit He pay did not practice again

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Speaker 2: for the second consecutive day.

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Speaker 3: I got the impression pay pays injuries significant, like he's

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Speaker 3: probably not gonna play this game.

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Speaker 2: Braden Smith, their starting right tackle, was limited today after

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Speaker 2: being a not practicing yesterday. But even at that, I

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Speaker 2: don't want him out there in any former fashion. If

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Speaker 2: he's limited against TJ Watt.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's probably still their best option. But that favors

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Speaker 3: the Steelers no't matter what, and now it favors even

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Speaker 2: Just tips to steal a little bit more defensive end.

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Speaker 2: Taekwon Lewis did not practice today after being limited yesterday

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Speaker 2: with the calf and wrist issues. Okay, and the new

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Speaker 2: addition to the injury report today for them, And this

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Speaker 2: is a neck thing issue. Center Ryan Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Oh, really quality player, probably the eighth to tenth best

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Speaker 3: center in the league. It's had a good career, you know,

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Speaker 3: steady leader of a good offensive line. Yeah, your center

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Speaker 3: and right tackle banged up. That's not great.

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Speaker 2: That's significant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big deal. Is he h?

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Speaker 2: Is Zach Fraser starting to slide past guys like the

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Speaker 2: Ryan Kellyes of the world.

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Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, it's only in three games,

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Speaker 3: that's a little it's a short period, right, But there's

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Speaker 3: only thirty two starters in the league, and Fraser's not

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Speaker 3: thirty two that right, And two of the starters who

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Speaker 3: happened to be playing against their teams are playing against

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Speaker 3: each other this week, New Orleans and Atlanta. Dolman with

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Speaker 2: They're both hurt. They're out for So Fraser.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I wouldn't trade him for many, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, at this point, let alone, I mean for now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, not even like his career. His career looks

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Speaker 3: I'm believably promising. Yeah, quick Warring question, if he can't go,

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Speaker 3: do you call up a back or do you just

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Speaker 3: roll with Patterson, Harris and Hayward. He can get you

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Speaker 3: out of a game if you'd have to.

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Speaker 2: You probably bring one up as a game day activation.

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Speaker 2: Some of that has some special team value ideally, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, just just to be you know, because you

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Speaker 2: want to run the football. Oh yeah, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's there's no fans or butts about that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I would guess the third one would be valuable,

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Speaker 3: especially if they can run that on kickoffs for you

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Speaker 3: or something like that too.

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Speaker 2: Anything. Yeah, I mean, and again that could be a

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Speaker 2: reason why a guy like Threll Evans gets a helmet

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Speaker 3: You know, you might be.

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Speaker 2: Short a guy like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably.

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Speaker 2: And you know the other part of it is that

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Speaker 2: Jayalen Warren's been the other guy that's been back around kickoffs.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else is going to have to do that. Is

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Speaker 3: Well, some of those backs that were in camp did

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Speaker 3: a lot of that in the preseason. I think Shampkin

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Speaker 3: did some of that, definitely did some of it. I

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Speaker 3: think the Georgia kid did some of this. Not with

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Speaker 3: the teams now with him. Yeah, but a couple of

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Speaker 3: those guys did. Maybe that's would be the call.

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Speaker 2: Matt was looking at some things today on the Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Focus and they came out with they have some

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Speaker 2: new stat type things here. I saw a bunch of

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Speaker 2: introducing this, Yeah, introducing this, introducing that. So one of

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Speaker 2: the things they have here this week is we're three

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Speaker 2: weeks into this season and they chart to miss tackles

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Speaker 2: for all the teams. Yeah. Yeah, the Steelers have missed

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Speaker 2: the second fewest tackles. I did see that one in

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Speaker 2: the league was sixteen. The forty nine Ers the only

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Speaker 2: team better at fourteen. Yeah, And people ask, well, why's

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Speaker 2: the Steelers run defense been so good?

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Speaker 3: That's why it's a big reason. Yeah. I think Porters

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Speaker 3: become a much better tackler. It's been outstanding. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dante Jackson is really good at it.

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Speaker 3: I would say Jackson, that's where it's going is the

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Speaker 3: corners on the perimeter are way better than they've been.

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Speaker 3: Jackson relishes in it. I mean he's kind of aggressive

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Speaker 3: also think the linebackers tackle better and get and frankly,

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Speaker 3: the speed they get more tacklers to the ball. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a big thing as well. Their d

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Speaker 3: linemen have always run well. I mean that's a that

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Speaker 3: goes back for generation.

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Speaker 2: Run to the ball. Yeah, they always they aren't loafers

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Speaker 3: They're not fat guys. You know, they run and run

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Speaker 3: well too. So no, I think that's big. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously a team like the Colts is going to be

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just sheer number of mistackles and yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're one of the worst teams in.

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Speaker 3: That Yeah, real quick. I mentioned this to you because

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Speaker 3: I was listening to podcasts this morning where they were

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Speaker 3: really looking at the top. The league is changing so much.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the passing yards are down, everyone's playing cover two.

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Speaker 3: But there was They did a real study. They started

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Speaker 3: looking at the best offenses in the league and what

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Speaker 3: do they all have in common nowadays? And three aspects

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Speaker 3: really stood out to this analyst, and he said, offenses

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Speaker 3: that have a low sack rate, have a short average

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Speaker 3: depth of target, and run after the catch are the

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're not missing tackles.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking from a defensive perspective that the Steelers pass.

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Speaker 3: I mean their pass rush is great. I mean, so

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Speaker 3: teams they play are not going to have.

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Speaker 2: High They're not going to hold the ball well, they're not.

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Speaker 2: The sack rate's going to be bad for their offenses.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the ball is going to come off fast

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Speaker 2: no matter what. You can't dictate that as a defense.

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Speaker 3: But if you eliminate the after the catch stuff because

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Speaker 3: you're tackling so well, it adds up to whis the

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Speaker 3: good defense too? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: For just by comparison, the Buccaneers are dead last in

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Speaker 2: this Remember I said the Steelers have missed what seven

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Speaker 2: was the seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Se had six sixteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed sixteen tackles. The Buccaneers have missed a

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Speaker 2: league worse forty one.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean who knows. But I mean, what's an

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Speaker 3: average miss tackle cost you in yardage? There might be

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Speaker 3: someone right behind you, might be you might be the

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Speaker 3: last guy behind them, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like that could be an eighty yarder, that could be

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Speaker 2: two yarder. And that was their thing that they broke

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Speaker 2: down who the best guys are? The best tackler by

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Speaker 2: PFF tackle grade, it's safety mink of Fitzpatrick.

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Speaker 3: Is it that doesn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 2: He's fifteen for fifteen on tackles this year and has

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Speaker 2: missed less than ten percent of his tackle attempts in

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Speaker 2: the last two seasons. Even last year when people, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's not having a good year, he's shutting down the

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Speaker 2: back end. You're not getting the big plays on that,

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Speaker 2: the big catch him runs.

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Speaker 3: When someone does get free, getting past him as the

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Speaker 3: last layer of defense is really really difficult.

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Speaker 2: And where he's making those tackles is often the most

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Speaker 2: they're the most difficult ones.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot of space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's you and a guy, and if

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Speaker 2: It's like watching a zen master work and.

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Speaker 3: Down the field. Not to mention, I mean miss the ball,

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Speaker 2: At They're always on the field, right, which doesn't help

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Speaker 2: They also introduced something called chip percentage.

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Speaker 2: Which is how frequently do n do edge rushers get shipped?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're helping, or even if so, they consider

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Speaker 3: Double ESPN, double rate or whatever. Okay, which still seems weird,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so TJ. Watt on eighty four pass rushes this

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Speaker 2: I would buy that pitch did a lot of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: He's being he's double he's being he's being chipped more

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Speaker 2: so he's at twenty percent. Miles Garrett is at eighteen percent,

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, wats that much higher than those guys though.

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Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson's one hundred and ten pass rushes and twenty

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Speaker 2: There are times they'll kick out, that they'll kick the

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Speaker 2: I was going to say it with that is like

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Speaker 3: It shocks me. He he wins to the inside much

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Speaker 2: Right, You've got somebody there chipping me as well, and

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Speaker 3: You still can't stop it, right, I mean it's not

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Speaker 2: Would like to see them do his ad chip percentage

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Speaker 3: Right, which let's say guys are hard to double, right,

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Speaker 2: It's let's say it was Miles Garrett, and he's in

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Speaker 3: That's what I'd like to know too, is call it

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Speaker 3: when everyone knows you're throwing that. It's just you're alone

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Speaker 2: Have fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that does skew it, though, is there's

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Speaker 2: They don't get doubled on those. It's still it's not

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Speaker 2: thirty percent. No, it's in terms of double who's eighteen

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Speaker 3: I would say, if it's only a spin, that could

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Speaker 3: a lot of attention. Yeah, because that's insane.

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Speaker 2: But you heard the people who were who were trumpeting

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Speaker 2: one of the things that they Well, he coults double

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Speaker 3: He may get more O line bodies on him. I

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Speaker 2: That's part of it, because they move him around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of time he even comes like from

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Speaker 3: what averages one point seven blockers for every pass rush

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it's gonna be that hard to figure out.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I've seen that before. They both get that running back

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean how often do you see stunt when what

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Speaker 3: There's a gardener center get them, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: You're not leaving those guys one on one. No, that's

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Speaker 3: Which is interesting in its own right because that also

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Speaker 2: Sort of slowing somebody down going out on a route

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean double the percentage number two to me

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Speaker 3: I mean when you watch the games, that's how teams

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Speaker 2: Wat than all these other elite edge guys. He comes

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Speaker 3: They all move around, which might make it harder to

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Speaker 3: that's why they do it with Chris Jones, you know,

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Speaker 3: Jones will even line up like he even like picks

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Speaker 3: I wanted you, I want you right, I think that's

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Speaker 2: You stay think I'm coming over you.

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Speaker 3: But I always I do think it's an advantage or

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Speaker 2: But I think part of that is because the other

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he must be more comfortable there.

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Speaker 2: That's why they made the move. You know, his rookie year,

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Speaker 3: Find but I mean it's probably as simple as I

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Speaker 2: That duck under that he has that little ghost moves. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he just disappears.

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Speaker 3: But like herbig uses that from both sides. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, it's not a left tackle right tackle

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale, Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

444
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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. Every once in a while we like

445
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Speaker 2: to take a look at the offensive line rankings on

446
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Speaker 2: the Pro Football Focus. There's some other places we do

447
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Speaker 2: this as well, so yeah, yeah, some other guys that

448
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Speaker 2: we use, but we were just obviously just on Pro

449
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Speaker 2: Football Focus. So let's take a look at their offensive

450
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Speaker 2: line rankings through the first three games of the season.

451
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Speaker 2: See where the Steelers are at, See where the Cults

452
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Speaker 2: are at? All right, yeah, know your opponent. So looking

453
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Speaker 2: at the bottom of this right now, there's some bad

454
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Speaker 2: ones out there. Thirty two is the New England Patriots.

455
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Speaker 3: They're just lacking talent too. I think they're they're gonna

456
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Speaker 3: have to find a big time pass catcher and several

457
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Speaker 3: linemen this.

458
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: Offense at least like three tackle in particular. Two the

459
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: hard spots at thirty one are the Titans. They did

460
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Speaker 2: not fix their offense.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not getting much better. I mean the right

462
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: side is just lacking talent. Left side's kind of young

463
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Speaker 3: and not great. But I thought it'd be a lot

464
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Speaker 3: better by now. I mean, Kushion Barry Scorronsky Latham should

465
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Speaker 3: be a pretty good three up.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Latham's young. Skrosky though, just hasn't.

467
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Speaker 3: He's lived a lot of injuries last year and he

468
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 3: was injured all through camp and he was one of

469
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Speaker 3: those getting on a moving train type guys. But he

470
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Speaker 3: hasn't been great.

471
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Speaker 2: At thirty is the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: That's a little disappointing. If you're them, you know, they've

473
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Speaker 3: a little bit more invested in that. But I don't

474
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Speaker 3: think it's great either.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackson Powers. Johnson at guard has not been what

476
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Speaker 2: I thought he would.

477
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Speaker 3: Well.

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I liked him more as a center.

479
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: Oh I did too as a guarden.

480
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: Right. A lot of those guys though too. They'll put

481
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Speaker 3: them at guard their rookie year. Yeah, just because it's

482
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Speaker 3: so much thought process at center.

483
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: Which they can make some stuff off the place.

484
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Just worry about blocking and then you can

485
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: do the line calls next year, which makes Frasier that

486
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: much more impressive.

487
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Speaker 2: At twenty nine is Jacksonville.

488
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Speaker 3: It's crumbling. It's always seems like they put stuff into

489
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Speaker 3: it and it's not good enough.

490
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 2: They spent money on them.

491
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Speaker 3: They went and got Morse and they've used some picks.

492
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Speaker 2: It's just not money on sure if they spent right

493
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Speaker 2: on Cam Robinson.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's not great.

495
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Speaker 2: No. Twenty eight is Cincinnati, which wow for them, And

496
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Speaker 2: that's before before the injury, the Trent Brown injury. I

497
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: always thought their interior was a little overrated too. I

498
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: mean it's those guys are fine, but they're not difference makers.

499
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Speaker 2: But they were upgrades at the time because the line

500
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Speaker 2: was so bad when Burrow got there. Yeah, you and

501
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Speaker 2: I thought Orlando Brown's wanted more overrated tackles in the

502
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Speaker 2: league to begin with, and certainly overpaid. Yeah, you want

503
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Speaker 2: to to me. One of the biggest reasons why the

504
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: Bengals don't have a win right now, aside from the

505
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Speaker 2: defense being really bad, is they still haven't fixed their

506
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Speaker 2: offensive line.

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Speaker 3: No, man, Burrough gets hit a lot. They don't open

508
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Speaker 3: huge holes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's you can't protect your quarterback. It's really

510
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Speaker 2: hard to win it is. Uh at twenty seven. How

511
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Speaker 2: about this one the Cleveland Brown. Wow, that's down. That's

512
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: how they spots because right now here's their line right now. Okay,

513
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Speaker 2: Joel Buttonio is playing left tackle. Wow, he was a

514
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Speaker 2: tackle in college.

515
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Speaker 3: He's one of those.

516
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Speaker 2: College back guard. Yeah, left tackle, Ethan Postick at left guard,

517
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Speaker 2: Nick Harris at center, and.

518
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Speaker 3: Post it's a center too. That's two guys out of position.

519
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: Zach Zinner at right guard he barely played, barely played

520
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Speaker 2: last year at Michigan because of an injury, and Day

521
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Speaker 2: One Jones at right tackle.

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Speaker 3: Wow, not at all what they planned. Some of them

523
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Speaker 3: one bit right. I mean, some of the guys up

524
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Speaker 3: post would have been in the center. Antonio would have

525
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Speaker 3: been a guard. But they're not in the right spots either. No,

526
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Speaker 3: and it shows. Yeah, they stink. I mean they've been

527
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Speaker 3: bad all year. Yeah.

528
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Speaker 2: Jedrick Willis you mentioned earlier, and we came back and

529
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Speaker 2: started that game last week for the Browns left again

530
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Speaker 2: with an injury, but.

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Speaker 3: No Diddy, Yeah okay. And Coughlin's been in and out right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six is the Giants.

533
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Speaker 3: They put some investment in there too, with Runyon and

534
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Speaker 3: Michael Schmidz. Lately. The biggest problem for them is use

535
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Speaker 3: the top ten pick on Neil and he's bad.

536
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not even starting right is a luminar of

537
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Speaker 2: the right tackle, the right tack tackle. Yeah, twenty five

538
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Speaker 2: is a Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: They were really bad last year. And I don't know

540
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Speaker 3: Dave Connor Williams and as a starter, he's a starter.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know if he was back back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's starting at center. Cross is a really

543
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Speaker 2: good player. The left tackle, the right tackle with they

544
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Speaker 2: all lump those two together.

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Speaker 3: They shouldn't, yeh.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four is the Rams and they've been just beat.

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Speaker 3: Have them lower. I mean, the guys are playing with

548
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: their backups at this.

549
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Speaker 2: Point, but at least they're holding their own I.

550
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Speaker 3: Guess better than like the Browns. Yes, yeah, I mean

551
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: their their performance has been better.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three is the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good for them. I mean it's starting to trend

554
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: the right direction. They've put some resources in there too. Yeah,

555
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Speaker 3: Paris Johnson looks like he's gonna be a good one

556
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Speaker 3: and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah. Twenty two is the Saints.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people had them at like thirty thirty

559
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Speaker 3: two to start the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be where they end up at now.

561
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Speaker 3: With the center Andrey McCoy hurt. Yeah, that would worry me,

562
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Speaker 3: but the new scheme helps a lot.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one down ten spots after what happened last week

564
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Speaker 2: are the Chargers. Oh, if Alton Slater aren't there then yet,

565
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Speaker 2: Well that's still considering all coming back this week, but

566
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Speaker 2: he's questionable right now. That's Trey Pipkins at left tackle,

567
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Speaker 2: Zion Johnson, Bradley Boseman, Jamari Sailor, Yeah, okay, Joe all

568
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Speaker 2: right tackle.

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Speaker 3: I mean Pipkins should be there. That's two positions that

570
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: get affected by one injury, and that's assuming well all

571
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Speaker 3: plays twenty. The Bears, who I'd be lower on them?

572
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: Who's their center?

573
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Speaker 2: Coleman Shelton. I say, I think that's like the worst

574
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: center situation in the league, them in Denver. Yeah, it's

575
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: pretty bad.

576
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Speaker 3: It's they have not they get no push up the middle.

577
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Speaker 2: Nineteen this is up five spots are the Ravens.

578
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Speaker 3: It's gotten a little better, but mostly I would have

579
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Speaker 3: them lower. I mean I think it gets a I

580
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: think it went up five spots because they ran so

581
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Speaker 3: well against a bad run defense.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Ronnie Stanley, Andrew Vorhees, Tyler Linderbaum, Daniel Falele,

583
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Speaker 2: and Patrick McCarry.

584
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Speaker 3: Okay, they don't consider Rosegarden a starter? No, was you

585
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Speaker 3: that saying they had two or three on the injury listed.

586
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Two of those guys were hurt Yesterday Vorheas and Linderbaum

587
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: a most miss practice, as did McCary. Today, Linderbaum and

588
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Speaker 2: McCary were back.

589
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: So so Stanley's actually played pretty well. I mean, not

590
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: like pre injury Stanley, but he's been a strength more

591
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: in the weakness.

592
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: That's why they've had the opportunity to then to play

593
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: McCarry a right, right, Yeah, it's.

594
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 3: Better, but it's better. But yes, Stanley, let's see if

595
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: he can do it for fourteen more games too. He's

596
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: been in our lineup so much since that injury.

597
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Nineteen is Houston.

598
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: I like it.

599
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: On eighteen I should say on paper, I think it's

600
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: a strong line at seven.

601
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: Didn't look good against Minnesota.

602
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Though, No, it did not. Seventeen is the Steelers.

603
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: I'd say that's about right for how they've played, all

604
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: the shuffling they've had to do.

605
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: Are the five starters correct for this week? Right now?

606
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 2: It's more Anderson, Fraser, Daniels, Broder, Jones, So yes, that

607
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: would be the Yeah, that's a middle of the league

608
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: line right there.

609
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Now.

610
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: When you bring Sayamalu back into the course, move it

611
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: up three or four spots at least you know at

612
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: that point, and we'll see where Broderick's at. Here's what

613
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: they had to say some injuries. The Steelers lost rookie

614
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Troyano to a regular season dislocated kneecap in practice. As

615
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: a result, second year offensive tackle brogercs Jones is back

616
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: in the starting lineup right tackle and earned a fifty

617
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Speaker 2: one point two overall grade, the lowest score the Pittsburgh

618
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: offensive line. Rookie center Zach Fraser played the best game

619
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Speaker 2: of his young career in the win over the Chargers.

620
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: Fraser was especially dominant in the run game, with his

621
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Speaker 2: ninety one point three PFF run blocking grade ranked third

622
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Speaker 2: among all offensive linemen. Wow in the NFL on Week

623
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Speaker 2: three All linemen Yeah wow. Best player right now is

624
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: James Daniels. Daniels continues in strong form in Week three

625
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: against Los Angeles. His ninety three point three PFF overall

626
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: grade leads all guards. That really weeks Okay, he spends

627
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: rock solid. Yeah, get him he keep him going. Get

628
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Sam Malu back into lineup.

629
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Speaker 3: Well, then the interior becomes a real strength, yeah, real strength. Yeah.

630
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: And I also might add that they they color code

631
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: their their guys here that if you're if you're in blue,

632
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: that means you're well above average or whatever. Each Yeah

633
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: that guy. Yeah, yeah, Damn Moore they have blue. He's

634
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: in blue now along with James Daniels. Okay, he's had

635
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: a good year. Yeah, he really has. Sixteen the Atlanta Falcons.

636
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

637
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: It's a little disappointing.

638
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: But they're not starting storm Storm norton it right.

639
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: Tackle that's the problem.

640
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: And then Ryan Noosel, who's left handed, by the way too.

641
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. The center again that they're starting five is really good.

642
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: Those guys, aren't. I mean they need depth at that position. Yeah,

643
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: they just don't have it. Uh.

644
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Fifteen the Vikings. Okay, tackles are great. Fourteen is San Francisco.

645
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: They benefit from scheme a little bit. We haven't mentioned Miami.

646
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: Miami should be he should be low. Yeah.

647
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Thirteen Washington they should be lower than that too.

648
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. The offense has been really good and the other

649
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 3: line hasn't been exposed. But I don't know they play.

650
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: They play some bad run defenses.

651
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Speaker 3: They do, and I don't really want many of those players. No.

652
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: Twelve is Tampa Bay. Yeah, but it's starting to fall

653
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: apart again. I mean Barton looked great, but now the

654
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: regular season has hit, he's come back to earth a little. Yeah,

655
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: the guards aren't great. They had all kinds of problems

656
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Speaker 3: with Denver.

657
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: True or false. By the end of this season, people

658
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: will look at Zach Frasier as the best center.

659
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: In this draft. True.

660
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah, I mean he's been that impressive.

661
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Powers Johnson isn't playing center right.

662
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: But true.

663
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: At eleven is Denver, okay o bad group.

664
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: We talked to him a lot obviously two weeks ago.

665
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: Ten is Miami.

666
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: I don't see that at all.

667
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't either.

668
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: I mean, the four of those starters are bad and

669
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: the other one's always hurt.

670
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but four of their starters are in blue.

671
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I don't see it.

672
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: Nine is Dallas. I don't see that either. Their guards

673
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: are the best in the league. But the two rookies

674
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: have had ups and downs and the right tackle steal.

675
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: He's probably overpaid too, He's just a guy.

676
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

677
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: No, t J. Wadd'll get an opportunity to take him

678
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: behind the woodshed next week.

679
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: Indeed.

680
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: At eight Carolina, Yeah, I mean they actually paid for it,

681
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: and that wasn't.

682
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 3: The problem earlier in the year. No, there were there

683
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: were holes, there.

684
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Was protections, weren't completing passes.

685
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: They weren't or putting the ball where it needs to go.

686
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: We're going to see some of the team that can't

687
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: complete passes this week.

688
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we haven't mentioned them yet either. Seven Green Bay, Yeah, whoever,

689
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: their O line coach is really good because they get

690
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: fourth round guys like Zach Tom and they just kind

691
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: of put it all together in their equality unit. You know,

692
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: every year.

693
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Six is the Jets.

694
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a problem with that. Now.

695
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: They did just lose Morgan Moses.

696
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but at least they can put the first round

697
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: pick in there and you know, be okay for now.

698
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: Five is Philadelphia.

699
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be in the top two or three anymore. No,

700
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: it's not.

701
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: It's not as dombin. I mean, Makai Beckton is.

702
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lane Johnson's still a star. The center is not

703
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: the same. Yeah, I mean, with Kelsey being out four,

704
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: this is too high for this line. I'm sorry. Kansas

705
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: City tackles are still.

706
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: The interior is very good. It might be the best

707
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: interior in the league. All three guys, but the tack

708
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: you can't be that bad at tackle and be the

709
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: fourth best line in the league. They're now starting to

710
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: Wanya Morris at left tackle right, and they can't get

711
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Jawan Taylor out of the lineup because the left tackle

712
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: is such a problem for him and Taylor's expensive. I mean,

713
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: he was a bad free agent purchase.

714
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: He's bad right, see him at the eas of work

715
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: in progress, I mean, which they knew when they drafted him,

716
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: so you reference it. Sometimes we look at other lists.

717
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Brandon Thorne is one of the best out there. I

718
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: trust him more than this list of flat out. But

719
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: he will also put you know, like the Vikings are

720
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: a great example. They would get a little more of

721
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: a boost from him because tackles are more important and

722
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: harder to come by, you know what I mean. Like

723
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: I bet the Chiefs would be a little lower because

724
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: he would rather have the two Viking tackles maybe than

725
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 3: three stars on the inside, because if you can leave

726
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: them on an island against the Wats of the world

727
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: or even the Highsmith's of the world, that's really really valuable.

728
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: And he can get guards and centers.

729
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Now this is that that is more of a Patrick

730
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: Mahomes stat there, Yeah, yeah, than it is that offensive

731
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: line agreed. Yeah, the their tackles might be the two

732
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: worst tackles.

733
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad for the dollar anyways,

734
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: for sure about this all the time. Sacks are as

735
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: much of a quarterback stat than it is in mahomes.

736
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: And we haven't mentioned the Bills. Allen's been great at

737
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: avoiding sacks. Well, they're number three, okay, and they're they're

738
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: good across the board. They're not great anywhere, they're good across,

739
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: but they're.

740
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: Above average in some spots and at least average.

741
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: And I'm almost certain they lead the league in six

742
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: offensive linemen two. I mean, guys like Spencer Brown keep

743
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: getting better, Torrence keeps getting better. Yeah, they're they're they're

744
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: a good group.

745
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: Uh At two is Detroit a little bit of injuries now,

746
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: but ragnow is week to week.

747
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: Playing with the strange packs.

748
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, partially torn pectoral muscle. That's what was sidelining saam Malu.

749
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: So I don't think they think they have any other

750
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: injuries though.

751
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: And then one the team that we haven't mentioned yet

752
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: is a team the Steelers play this week. That's thee

753
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts. What do they say about the Colts? The

754
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: Colts offensive line was again playing at a high level,

755
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: and the team's Week three win over the Bears, the

756
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: unit allowed just four pressures, one sack, one quarterback hit,

757
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: and two hurries on twenty two dropbacks. Well, first of all,

758
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: it was only twenty two. Right left tackle Bernard Raymond

759
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: surrendered one quarterback hurry in Week three and his eighty

760
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: three point four PFF pass blocking grade rank six a

761
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: month left tackles. The third year player is allowing a

762
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: pressure on five point eight percent of his dropbacks the season,

763
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: which is tied for the best rate of his career.

764
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: Remember, their O line coach has done a good job too,

765
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: because he was a project. The right tackle Smith, who's questionable,

766
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: was started at guard and then they moved to the

767
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: tackle and he's been pretty good. You know, anyone coach

768
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: quint and Nelson.

769
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: Is it wrong for this? So I'm watching their game

770
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: against Chicago.

771
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: I just think Chicago's D line isn't great, That's.

772
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: The part of it. Yeah, But I'm watching Quinton Nelson

773
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: and again I've watched the Allen fanicos and directly I don't.

774
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: Think he's that guy either.

775
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: He's he is not the be all end all in

776
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 2: that guard, I don't know if he's even a top

777
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: five guy.

778
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: I think he's good.

779
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: I think it's never been back at this point. It's

780
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 2: more reputation than that happening in that position all the time.

781
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: You know, like he's not again, I don't see he's

782
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: not not they're killing guys. No, he's a he's a

783
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: nice positional blocker, and he does all that stuff the

784
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: right way. But in terms of for a guy that

785
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: big not to just drive, like watching Fraser play and

786
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: drive people into the ground. When you see Quentin Nelson play,

787
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: you expect to see that and you don't see.

788
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: I think this is what happened in Nelson's career is

789
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: he was a phenomenal prospect, you know, a guard that

790
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: goes in the top six or seven, and he deserved it,

791
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, like he was a no brain or slam

792
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: dunk pick. Came in the league and lived up to

793
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: it for two or three years, got hurt and had

794
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: a bad year that year as he fought injuries, and

795
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: then since then he's been good.

796
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: It's a reputation, yeah, anything else, Okay, you go.

797
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: To the Pro Bowl, Yeah, but you're not an all pro,

798
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: you know, like Fanakin Hotch were all pros.

799
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: He's not Zarah Martin.

800
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: No, No, no, he's not.

801
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: He's not Lindstrom.

802
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: No agreed. I mean I think he's a top ten guy,

803
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: not the top two guy.

804
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where he ends up at every year.

805
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: And he thought, Oh, I can't wait to see Quintin Nelson.

806
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm watching him like.

807
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: Big notre dame, strapping dude that looks like huge. Yeah.

808
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he looks like a like a coat

809
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: machine and he's got that square build.

810
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: And again I'm not saying he's bad.

811
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: No, he's not bad.

812
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: Law.

813
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: He's worth the money. I just want to see it more.

814
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: I want to see him do more. I'm like, they

815
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: don't even run behind him sometimes.

816
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: You know there it's a high bar. But he's not

817
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer to me. Yeah, he probably will

818
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: end up because ten years in the league or twelve

819
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: years in the league, but you have that reputation.

820
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: But I just don't feel like he's not at the

821
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: level of those other guys.

822
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: No, I mean some of the great guards in history.

823
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, let me look at that guy.

824
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of those guys play in person,

825
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: and I left out watching that tape one. He was good,

826
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: and maybe that's why I can't like when Cam Hayward

827
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: has played against him.

828
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: He's winning. Yeah, yeah, again, he's a good player, but

829
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: I'll take the Castro over yeah yeah. I mean that

830
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: isn't gonna end up in all.

831
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: Even when he was younger, i'd take Zeitler over a

832
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: younger guy for him, you know, not now I think

833
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: he's you know, you're still playing to his credit, but

834
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: he's right right, yeah, you know, but I saw those

835
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: guys play a lot because Zeitler was in Cincinnati, then Baltimore,

836
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: now Detroit.

837
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up with Nelson. And I'm

838
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: not sure they'd be my number one line either, but

839
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be far off.

840
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean they by random ball effectively, and they're

841
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, there were three.

842
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: Or four times this week we were talking about their

843
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: own line and I meant to say something similar like, yeah,

844
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 3: he's a really good player, but he's not like never gets.

845
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Oh you're never gonna write him yeah or fourth and one.

846
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: It's automatic, you know, like just run behind him. You

847
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 3: know he's good, but he's not the best I've ever seen.

848
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: No, I think I think Heyward in the gates.

849
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: I think he has the advantage. Yeah, I mean, if

850
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: they square off one on one sixty times, I bet

851
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: Cam wins more of them.

852
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: I had just thought I was watching that the Steelers

853
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: went through their walk through at the indoor facility yesterday,

854
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: and it just so happened that Pitt was on the

855
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: field finishing up their practice and their bye week. So

856
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: Heyward walks and he's walking over. He's kind of next

857
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: to me as we're walking back over and he goes

858
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: walking into the facility and I start looking around the

859
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: Pitt guys and I'm like, they don't have anybody that

860
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: looks like.

861
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: That full grown man's strength, you know, like that you

862
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: just get with age too, and he came in the

863
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: league having a lot of it, and his daddy, you

864
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: went to, Pitt has something that there's some jeans involved.

865
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: You don't understand how big that guy is until you

866
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: stand next to him right like he is. Again, I'm

867
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: around big people all the time.

868
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: And sometimes guys stand out, you know, Yeah.

869
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: Guys, I mean to be that tall, that thick, and

870
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: yet still you know, have the strength and then, as

871
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: you mentioned previously, his ability to run.

872
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: To the ball hasn't changed.

873
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: I think I've told this, told the story before. I

874
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: was at training camp and this was when Step On

875
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: two it was still playing, and Le'Veon Bell and Le'Veon

876
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: Bell caught a pass in the flat on my side

877
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: of the field where I was standing, and I'm standing

878
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: right along the sideline and he starts running down the

879
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: sideline and I look up and Hayward and Twitt are

880
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: running after him. Yeah, they're coming, and they're they're coming

881
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 2: right at me. They're going to try to cut him off.

882
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: You can feel the And I look up and I'm like,

883
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: this is what this is what the little baby dinosaurs

884
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: had to feel like.

885
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: It feels like I heard a buffalo coming at you.

886
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: They're coming. They're running at full speed right at me,

887
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I better start moving backwards. You better

888
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 2: if they run through this, because you know.

889
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean you can feel the ground. Yeah, Like people

890
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: don't realize that it's never been on a sideline at

891
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: an NFL game or whatever. You can feel the ground.

892
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: And that was six hundred and fifty pounds of human

893
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: being coming at me. Yeah, as fast as they could.

894
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: But that's a Steeler trait. Yeah, you know, Cam's going

895
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: to pass that down to to it and now the other.

896
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: That's what that was what was so disappointing about to

897
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: its whole situation and the way everything ended for him.

898
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: He was just reaching the point he was getting really

899
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: good where he might have been. There was an argument

900
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: that maybe he might be better than Cam things more talented.

901
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's more gifted at birth. Yeah right,

902
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: so pretty good influence on him too. Yeah, it'd still

903
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: be around and in his prime right now.

904
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: Too, right, they'd still be pretty scary.

905
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: You probably wouldn't have Ogan Joby, but you probably still

906
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: you might have taken Betton. Yeah, it might have the

907
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 3: rest of the crew still, you know. Yeah, let's get

908
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Speaker 3: to a break. That was the offensive line rankings on PFF.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,320
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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

915
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio,

917
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921
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Speaker 2: app if you don't have that already downloaded. All kinds

922
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Speaker 3: Your ten thoughts are on there, my stat thanks stuff. Yeah,

924
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: you have a lot of stuff up there, but.

925
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: Right you know, every day of the week allows you

926
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Speaker 2: to get involved in the inch Chat stuff. You get

927
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Speaker 2: a chance to win some some prizes and things of

928
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Speaker 2: that nature.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of video today. It's gonna be up

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Speaker 3: there any minute.

931
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Speaker 2: I'm sure, absolutely, And I think I think this week's

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Speaker 2: inch Chat prize is a sign ball by somebody would

933
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Speaker 2: be our guest later in the show.

934
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Speaker 3: I thought of that whenever we were on the air today,

935
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like, we're gonna talk to him later. Yeah.

936
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: I mentioned to Nick today, a good thing I did,

937
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: because initially he was supposed to come come on with

938
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Speaker 2: us for this segment four forty five, and I said, Nick,

939
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: you just wanted to check with you and make sure

940
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: you're still good for four forty five, five forty five.

941
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, and I went and checked with PR

942
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, we had to move with the

943
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: five forty five.

944
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: We weren't informed. I guess because he has to lift

945
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: and do some things. Okay, so for now, from now

946
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: we'll give him. He'll be calling in.

947
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: He'll be calling in, so you'll hear from Nick Kerrberg,

948
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: who will get his first career start on Sunday against

949
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts. And I'm actually looking forward to seeing

950
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: him very much so on a more regular basis, because

951
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: this is a guy who in the past two preseasons

952
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: he's led everybody. He's led everybody in sacks in the

953
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: last two preseasons.

954
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me one bit. But that's yeah. I

955
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: mean in the second preseason you already knew he was.

956
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: He didn't need like a ton of snaps. And it

957
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

958
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: Every time he's out there he makes play, he just

959
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: beats somebody, and it's I think.

960
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: They'll be find it on the edge. I mean, yeah,

961
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: that's not a knock on.

962
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: High Smith always a really really good no high Smith,

963
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: and high Smith to me is the better run defender

964
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: and better you know, he's just more polished and knows

965
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: the defense. But when you're talking number threes in the.

966
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: League, Oh, it's crazy.

967
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: He's he might be the best one.

968
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm also excited a little bit more Leal

969
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: to as an edge, you know in a real game.

970
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: You know one thing Heismith does well that I bet

971
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: Herbig does too, and so does Wat and Leol won't.

972
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: It's not his bag, but they both they drop into

973
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: garge well yeah, and they have a good feel for its.

974
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: He's done.

975
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be a special.

976
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: When he did that when he was filling in for

977
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: what two years ago, when what was in and out

978
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: of the lineup, he actually had three pass defenses?

979
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: Did he really? Maybe I'm selling them short because I

980
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: think of him as an interior d lineman terns.

981
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know. Terrell Austin addressed media today the

982
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: Steelers defensive coordinator and was asked about Leal and he said,

983
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, the thing about the Marvin is that he

984
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: just considers himself a great athlete. He said, if we're

985
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: if I guarantee you right now, if we're going to

986
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: go play a pickup basketball game, the Marvin would want

987
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: to be the point guard.

988
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

989
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: He just views it that because he's a big man

990
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: and a little He's a little man in a big

991
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: man's body.

992
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: And has some of that movement stuff too. I mean,

993
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: he was a really highly recruited guy, came into a

994
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: and m made a lot of impact right away. He

995
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: was on all those you know, first round draft lift

996
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: early in his career there, that type of thing.

997
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: But he was still twenty when the Steelers drafted him.

998
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and pause a little bit too, you know, Like

999
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: so kind of why I want to see more of

1000
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: them is because this might be the best role for him,

1001
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: and we're getting extended look at him, extended to look

1002
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: at her big it's going to be great. Yeah, I mean,

1003
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 3: I don't expect him to get a pressure and sack

1004
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: fifty percent of his snaps.

1005
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: Now, as we mentioned, Raymond is good.

1006
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: He is good. He's another developmental guy that's really turned

1007
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: into a good player.

1008
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: The only thing when Raymond was coming out, and of

1009
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: course the Steelers were looking at tackles.

1010
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: And we talked about him quite a bit.

1011
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the only thing I didn't like about

1012
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: him was that he was twenty five.

1013
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: Was old.

1014
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: Now that's not even a you don't even worry about that.

1015
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: This was like at the beginning of COVID.

1016
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: And the problem doubling it up was he's raw and

1017
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: he's old. Yeah, so I can't start him year one.

1018
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to need to develop him. Might be the

1019
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: end of his contract by the time I can use him.

1020
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: But his career hole right now.

1021
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: His credit he you know, he was fast, faster than that.

1022
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now he's a top don't definitely top half

1023
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: of a league left tackle.

1024
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good for him.

1025
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: That challenge.

1026
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: It's going to be a big challenge for Nick. But

1027
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: I also think that her BIG's speed and it's one

1028
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: of the things that I loved about him when he

1029
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: was at Wisconsin. The motor just goes.

1030
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: He's very sudden, he changes directions really well. He's agile,

1031
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: He's laid on his feet and he never ever stops.

1032
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: And as we've seen a training camp, he is on

1033
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: TJ wants hip all the time.

1034
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: It's like a lamp rain. It wis content connection. I mean,

1035
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: I think they knew each other well before the draft too.

1036
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure Watt was consulted, you know, what's this kid like?

1037
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sure obviously vouched for him, or

1038
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be here. Yeah.

1039
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, you know, this could be a

1040
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: big chance for him, a big opportunity and be interesting

1041
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: to see, you know, what he does with this over

1042
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Getting the first opportunity to start,

1043
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you never forget that first start. And I had an

1044
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to his parents because they also, of

1045
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: course that offseason signed his brother Nate. Yeah, right, And

1046
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: so I called his I contacted his mom and dad

1047
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: and had a great talk with him. Great people living

1048
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, and one of the things that they were

1049
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: able to do because of COVID again and his mom

1050
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: is in education, they were able to move to Wisconsin,

1051
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: to Madison, Wisconsin and he was in college and go

1052
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: to all of his games. And then when the brothers

1053
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: were both when Pittsburgh, they you know, were able to

1054
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: then come to Pittsburgh as well. But just a great family,

1055
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: great upbringing.

1056
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: And I'm excited to talk to him, more excited to

1057
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: even watch him. Yeah, absolutely so if I were the Colts,

1058
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what you do with all new guys.

1059
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: I'm running that two hundred and sixty pound quarterback, right, Adam,

1060
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm running two hundred and thirty pound back right, Adam,

1061
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: I might get try to get Nelson on little pool

1062
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: on him, you know, think I mean, I'm gonna challenge

1063
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: him the run game at him, Yeah.

1064
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: But they better block him on past sets that I

1065
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: know he can do. Yeah, And you would assume because

1066
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: TJ want on the other side, he's gonna get a

1067
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: little one on ones.

1068
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: Oh, I would assume so. And they're gonna trust that

1069
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: left tackle who's a pretty good player.

1070
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: And I just wonder, because there's not a ton of

1071
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: tape on him, is that you know that that could

1072
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: bode well in the Steelers favor Like.

1073
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: Sure his past rush Arsenal he has that ghost move too,

1074
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: you know obviously he learned it from what you know.

1075
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: Might not see that coming.

1076
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, But Matt, that's going to do it for

1077
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: our number one of the drive here on the Steelers

1078
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: Audio Network. We're gonna take a break, Matt and I

1079
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: will be back with our number two right after this.