1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: The Fact to Carol Market's show on I Harvey. My 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: guest today Pollock Joel is the opinion editor of the 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: brand new California Post. Hi, Joel, so nice to have 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: you on. 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: It's great to be with you. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: So what are you guys doing out there? What's the 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: California Post all about? 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: California Post is about providing a new, hard hitting journalistic 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: perspective on everything happening in California, and my part of 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: it is the opinion page. So I'm dealing with a 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: lot of politics, a lot of debates over lifestyle and culture. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: But the paper, as you know from reading the New 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: York Post, is also about sports. It's about celebrity. It's 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: got everything in there that you want to hear about 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: gossip and that's what keeps people coming back to the 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: news pages and the opinion pages. So it's a real 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: opportunity to reach people and to hold up a mirror 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: to California. You know. So the other publications, some of 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: whom are doing great jobs, are primarily aimed at a 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: left of center audience, and there's a huge underserved market 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: in California. And it's not a partisan thing. This is 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: not about reaching the Republicans, because there are plenty of 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: Democrats who read the New York Post as well. Sure, yeah, 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: there are Democrats who like the California Post. And we've 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: even had people who are fierce opponents of President Trump 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: writing already in the California Post. But it really is 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: about reaching an audience of people who work for a living, 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: people who care about their families and the future, and 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: people who believe they deserve better not just from government 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: but from popular culture. People who believe in this country, 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: believe in the state of California, the vision, the dream 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: of California, and feel it slipping away a little bit 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: and want to fight to preserve it. 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: California Post, the fact that you're covering the whole state 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: is that, I mean, that's kind of a big job. 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: California is the size of like three small countries. Is 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: it hard to mean the issues of northern California are 38 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: not the issues of southern California. How are you guys 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: going to do that? 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: Well, we do have teams in Sacramento and in San Francisco, 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: so we do have a headquarters in LA that branches 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: out from there. LA is the primary market for just 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: about anything in California just because there are more people there. 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: But it's really interesting, as you point out, maybe three 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: separate countries, maybe more. San Francisco and the Bay Area 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: are where our leaders come from. Most of our political 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: leaders are from that area. Most of our business leaders, 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: the billionaires, the Silicon Valley tycoons, they're obviously from the 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: Bay Area. There is also a Silicon Beach in LA 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: and of course you got Hollywood. But yes, it is 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: a lot to cover, and it's all intertwined, and it 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: really is a wonderful state with this incredible diversity of regions. 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I like to write about water, and there's 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: a lot more water in northern California than in Southern California. 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: And what we've done over the decades and now centuries 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: to manage that water is a fascinating story. And you 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: can't really disentangle northern from Southern California, and the two 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: are so interdependent, even though they do specialize in different things. So, yeah, 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: it's a tough task to cover the entire state. But 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: we're going to build out our coverage and we're going 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: to cover the Central Valley, the Inland Empire, the border region, 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: far northern California, Mendosino and the Sierras and Shasta and 63 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: all this stuff going on. It's an incredible place and 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: I love it. I feel alive when I'm there. I 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: go back and forth now between LA and d C 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: because my wife is in DC where I am actually 67 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: at the moment. I was in LA yesterday. I'll be 68 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: in LA tomorrow, but I'm in DC today. So it's 69 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: a bit of a mission. But it is a lot 70 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: of fun. 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: You know. The sense in the right of censor world 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: is that California is over right. I mean, people are 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: leaving in larger numbers that are coming in. The governance 74 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: is obviously like a model for bad governance throughout the country. 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: But starting California post is a very optimistic move. Are 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: you personally optimistic on California. 77 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: I'd have to say yes, because I'm investing so much 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: in it, so I think yes. Is my day to 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: day feeling one of optimism? No? No, really, right, No, 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: I get that. 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I look, you know that was me in New York. Like, 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: I think they're going to be okay long term, but 83 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: day to day, I'm like, I got to get. 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: Out of here. I don't know if California is going 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: to be okay long term. I'd like to believe it is. 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what really motivated me to join 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: the California Post. It was the Palisades fire. My house 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: is in Pacific Palisades. It survived the fire. I put 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: the house or I put the fire out on my 90 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: fence and on my property and the adjacent properties. I 91 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: put it out with my bare hands, and with help 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: from some neighbors. We fought the fire ourselves. We had 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: no running water. Wow. And it was a transformative experience. 94 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: Before the fire, I thought I can engage in national 95 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: politics in a way. I'm not really ever going to 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: get involved in local and state politics. I know what's 97 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: going on. I report on what's going on. I take 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: an interest. But I live in this little enclave that 99 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: is part of the city of Los Angeles but has 100 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: largely been untouched by some of the pathologies of la 101 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: the homelessness, the drugs, the crime. We're up on a 102 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: little hill. There's no gate around our community. Where the 103 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: kind of community where celebrities go to live if they 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: want to live like ordinary people without a barrier between 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: them and the rest of life. It was a little 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: throwback Pacific Palisades to an earlier era of a small 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: town vibe where everybody would come out to the baseball 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: field for Little league playoffs and where you would just 109 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: meet everybody at the mall. I mean literally everybody, a 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: list celebrities. My wife was having lunch one day and 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: in walks one of the Wahlberg's with I can't even 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: remember the other celebrities they were with, and just they're 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: just having lunch with you. You know. It was that 114 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: kind of place, but it was isolated, and California's problems 115 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: were something we wrote about, but they were somebody else's 116 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: problems and they became my problem. I don't think California 117 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: right now, on the present course, has a long term future. 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: I think California is digging itself up by the roots. 119 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: And I'm going to give you an example of that. 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: That's a little bit controversial, but. 121 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: We love controversy on the Carol Marcos Show. 122 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you might have heard of some of this stuff. 123 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is done. I mean some of it has 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: been just terrible. Failing to clear the brush for the fire, 125 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: the fraud that we presume is going on in California's 126 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: government because how could you double the budget without doing 127 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: any commensurate improvement in services? Right, where's that money going? 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: Twenty billion out the door? At least maybe thirty billion 129 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: during the pandemic for unemployment fraud, maybe other kinds of fraud. 130 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Half a billion on a nine to one one system 131 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: that never worked, the train to nowhere eighteen billion already 132 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: something like that. Okay, But possibly the worst thing Gavin 133 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: Newsom has done is sign a law called AB two eighteen. 134 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: AB two eighteen basically made it a lot easier for 135 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: people to sue for past sexual abuse. I'm not saying 136 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: that victims shouldn't have some recourse, of course, yeah, and 137 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: some of the people who have come forward probably did 138 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: experience some really terrible things. However, we have this concept 139 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: of a statute of limitations, and it's not some kind 140 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 2: of misogynistic device or a way to protect pedophiles or whatever. 141 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: It's a way of limiting the damage of the sins 142 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: of a few individuals, because why should the rest of 143 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: us suffer because a couple of people were horrible, really horrible? 144 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: So what is the result of this law. The result 145 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: is that a bunch of lawyers have organized a bunch 146 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: of these sex abuse lawsuits. And the craziest part of 147 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: this law is that you have five years to sue 148 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: from the moment you remember the abuse, so make it 149 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: up as you go along is definitely a possibility. I'm 150 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 2: not saying that that's actually happening, but there's no safeguard 151 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: on this really, so they're suing or threatening to sue. 152 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: And what's happening State governments or excuse me, local governments. 153 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: Local governments in California and local school districts are being bankrupted, 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: I mean really just emptied of cash. Santa Monica, which 155 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: is a fairly wealthy community on the coast, is now 156 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: in severe financial distress because they have everyone out. Yeah, 157 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: they had to pay out something like a quarter of 158 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: a billion dollars because of some city employee like forty 159 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: years ago who abused a bunch of people. And in 160 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: this case, apparently it really was abuse, but it was 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: forty years ago or something like early eighties, fifty, I 162 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: don't know how many years ago. A quarter of a 163 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: billion dollars. So they're cutting back on city services. How 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: about this one, the La Unified School District, the public 165 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: school districts in La. You know how many poor kids 166 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: are in LA and how they depend on the public 167 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: schools because that's the only way they're going to get 168 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: anywhere is going to school. Their parents are working, can't 169 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: teach them. You got to go to school, public school LA. 170 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: They just borrowed seven hundred and fifty million dollars to 171 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: pay these old sex abuse claims. Borrowed it. They don't 172 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: have the money, so they're going to have to pay 173 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: back seven hundred and fifty million dollar loan with interest. 174 00:09:53,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: And that's money that could have been used to educate children. 175 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: So we are deliberately impoverishing the children of today because 176 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: of some abuses that happened to children a generation or 177 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: two ago in La County. Massive County has to provide 178 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: for a lot of people, a lot of different services, 179 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: four billion dollars, four billion dollars. So you drive around California, 180 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: beautiful place, and you wonder, why are the roads so bad? 181 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: Why is the infrastructure falling apart? Why does the coastline 182 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: not look as good as it should, even in the fancy, 183 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: nice price And the answer is that we are bankrupting 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: ourselves on garbage. Sorry, I mean again. 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: I get it. It's obviously you want people to be 186 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: held accountable, and you want to see bad people go 187 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: to prison. But forty years later those people are largely 188 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: not alive or not going to prison. 189 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, you could be dead. Yeah, so we 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: are digging. 191 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: It's yeah, so. 192 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: It's it's I think my wife said it best. She said, 193 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: children think they can have whatever they want, and it's 194 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: the it's the responsibility of adults to set boundaries. And 195 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: California is governed by children. It is governed by people 196 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: who know no boundaries and refuse to accept boundaries, whether 197 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: fiscal or moral or whatever. And I'm a libertarian on 198 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: social issues. I don't care what people do in their 199 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: personal lives. But if you tell me that I feel 200 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm under threat of personal violence unless someone uses my 201 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: pronouns or that if my parents know that, you know 202 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: that I'm transitioning at school, that means I'm going to 203 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: be bullied. Yeah, I mean, this is all like we 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: thought the cry bully phenomenon when it emerged at Yale 205 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: and really started the woke movement over Halloween costumes twelve 206 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: years ago, we thought that that was a campus phenomenon. 207 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: It's basically become the dominant culture in California. And if 208 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: you can claim victimhood, I mean, yeah, California is going to. 209 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Be on the left in general, I'd say yeah. 210 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean California leads the left. How about 211 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: this reparations? So Newsom is smart enough not to pay 212 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: a lot of cash or any cash so far, but 213 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: he's creating an office of reparations. Why does California have 214 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: to pay reparations to anybody? California enter the Union as 215 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: a free state. That was a choice made at the time. 216 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 2: It was in eighteen fifty, so states could choose. There 217 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: were some incentives to become a slave state. You get 218 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people moving there with labor to do stuff, 219 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: and California needed labor. California made a moral choice not 220 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: to be a slave state. Why are we paying a 221 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: penalty when the moral choice was made not to be 222 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: a slave state to be a free state. And then 223 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: I hear it, well, you know there was housing discrimination. Okay, 224 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: but pay the people who lost property or who compensate 225 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: the individuals. Don't don't make it this thing. So this 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: is the problem is that we've developed a culture that 227 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: emphasizes victimhood and where you aren't somebody unless you've suffered 228 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: and that's just not that's just not healthy. It's not healthy. 229 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: You know, we live in a beautiful state. We need 230 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: to emphasize the positive and the forward in the future, 231 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: and ultimately that's the only thing that's going to pull 232 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: us out of this. So am I optimistic. 233 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,359 Speaker 1: About Calvini optimistic? Yeah? 234 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: No, but I am optimistic that it can be better. 235 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: So I don't think it's going to be saved just yet, 236 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: but I do think it can be better. 237 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, we're rooting for you, for sure, not just for 238 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: you personally, but for the whole state. It's such a 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: beautiful state. I've always enjoyed my time in California, and 240 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: I would hate to think that it's a failed state. 241 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Although obviously, again I'm very concerned about the path that 242 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: it's on and the fact that Yeavin Newsom is planning 243 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: to take that you know, amazing leadership, possibly national. We're 244 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and be right back 245 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: on the Carol Marcowitch Show. The New York Post has 246 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: what I would consider some you know, esoteric beats. You know, 247 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: they cover specific issues in New York City politics. Is 248 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: California posts going to have kind of their pet issues. 249 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: When we were starting up. One of the things I 250 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: suggested is that we should print a daily surf report. 251 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Oh I like that. 252 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out to be very hard because even 253 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: in the same city, with the same weather conditions in 254 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: the atmosphere, you can have very different ocean conditions. Right. 255 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: I'm a very casual surfer. I mean, I'm really at 256 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: the beginning level of surfing, and if I stay on 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: the board, I'm happy with myself. You know, like I 258 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: kind of wimp out, especially in the winter waves. The 259 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: winter waves are really dump you. I wimp out and 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: I basically surf the white water, the foam, you know, 261 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: just to get up on a board and have some fun. 262 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: But I do enjoy it. And I have friends who 263 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: are very serious, and I've said to them, where do 264 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: you go for information about what the surf conditions are? 265 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: And They'll list a whole bunch of websites, and they 266 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: were the most skeptical that you could summarize this information 267 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: in one place. They're just like, kind of hard. I mean, 268 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: I'm not saying we won't do it in the future, 269 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, we could do the surf report. We 270 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: could do the ski report. You know, people always want 271 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: to know how much powder there is on topow or 272 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: mammoth or whatever. It's a great state. I have, in fact, 273 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: surfed and skied in the same weekend, which is like, 274 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah. 275 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I always say the ocean in La is just it's 276 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: way too cold for me. And I'm you know, I'm 277 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: a New Yorker. I swim in the cold Atlantic. The 278 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: La Pacific ocean. 279 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: Is I don't know, we get used to it sort of. Yeah. 280 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: There were a period of years where I would go 281 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: in the water almost every single day, and I have 282 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: a tradition of going in on New Year's Day. I'm 283 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: one of those January first people who goes to the 284 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: water and it's not that cold, but basically from January 285 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: to April it's below sixty degrees by the coast. In 286 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: the water, yeah, and you start to feel your chest 287 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: compressed after about a minute. Yeah yeah, So you get 288 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: out and like if you've been in water that cold, 289 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: you start you'll understand like you just kind of feel 290 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: this compression here and it kind of this is down 291 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: into your stomach and you're like, I got to get 292 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: out of here. 293 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: But that's your body telling you you shouldn't be doing. 294 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: This, but the feeling you have after you're out of 295 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: the water is incredible. I mean with the rush of 296 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: the cold water. I'm told by people who swim in 297 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: cold water regularly that it's supposed to be very good 298 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: for your immune system. 299 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: Cold plunge thing. 300 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, so I like it. I 301 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: like the cold water. I do think it's hard to 302 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: take kids into the cold water. I have one child 303 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: who just adores the water and doesn't care what temperature 304 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: it is. And I have one child who if it's 305 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: a hair below eighty degrees won't Yeah, that's me. 306 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: I can't even do Miami in like the winter months anymore. 307 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: When we first moved here, like December, ocean was great. 308 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Now it's like, oh no, it's winter. I can't. What 309 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: are you most proud of in your life? 310 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: I am most proud of my wife. I'm most proud 311 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: of my wife. There's no way in which I deserved 312 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: to have married this incredible woman. She continues to amaze 313 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: me every single day. 314 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: And long we married. 315 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: We have been married for sixteen years. We've been married 316 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: for sixteen years, and we've known each other for twenty 317 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: one years. 318 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: So what's so great? 319 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: And we have four kids, four beautiful kids who have, 320 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: thank god, been very healthy and rambunctious and very good. 321 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: We have had no problems with any of that. And 322 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: my wife is the chief economist of the Department of 323 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: Labor here in DC. We ended up in DC, and 324 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: we have four kids without a nanny. We do take 325 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: the baby to day care, but the elvist is fourteen, 326 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: the youngest is just over a one year old, and 327 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: she balances everything and I don't really know how she 328 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: does it, but she's just this incredible woman. She's also 329 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: incredibly attractive, and uh, I just I have inappropriate thoughts 330 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: about her all day. So that's that's the thing I'm 331 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: thought so much. 332 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: I believe a lot of people say their kids, you know, 333 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: that's like kind of the automatic answer. I love that 334 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: you are so effusive about loving your wife. 335 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: That's just beautiful, proud of her, like it's you know, yeah, 336 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: it's it's it's It's definitely my greatest achievement. I mean, 337 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: I still don't know quite how I managed it. But 338 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: I do think that if I had to give dating advice, 339 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: it would be mostly for men, because I think men 340 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: are the limiting factor and moving relationships forward. I think 341 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: persistence is the key to everything that you You don't 342 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: want to become a stalker, okay, no stocking, Yeah, but 343 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: if you show interest, you know, it goes a long way. 344 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: And I when I met her, I knew this was 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: the woman I wanted to marry, and so I did 346 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: not let go of it. 347 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that much. That is so awesome. This 348 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: is a show about advice, also about living better, and 349 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people write in asking, you know, questions 350 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: about relationships. 351 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 2: So I realized, I don't want to over I don't 352 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: want to overstate that. I didn't realize it the instant 353 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: I met when I the day I met her, I 354 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: had other thoughts which are not repeatable on the podcast. 355 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: But then over time, when I managed somehow to land 356 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 2: this incredibly attractive woman, I began realizing that I had 357 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: fallen in love with her. So it was about three 358 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: or four months in and then I said, Okay, I'm 359 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: putting aside the rest of my life to make sure 360 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: this happens. 361 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: So oh, I love this. I love that story so much. 362 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that with us. We're going to 363 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: take a quick break and be right back on the 364 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: Carol Marcowitch show give us a five year out prediction, 365 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: and it could be about anything at all. 366 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: My worldview has become a little bit more narrow since 367 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: the fire. When President Trump was inaugurated the second time, 368 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: Normally I would have been watching TV and working on 369 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: an article about it, taking it all in, or I 370 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: would have been there. I was at his first inauguration. Instead, 371 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: I was with firefighters at the incident base camp in 372 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Malibu as they were deploying two different parts of the 373 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: Palisades Fire to check on hotspots and collect data and 374 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: do all kinds of surveillance. Most of the fire was 375 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: out by then, but they were still trying to contain it. 376 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: And I remember listening to the President's in Augrill address 377 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: while I was with the firefighters, and it was a 378 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: huge event, obviously, but it was also secondary to what 379 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: I was dealing with. And a few days later Trump 380 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: actually came to Pacific Palisades and I was in the 381 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: town hall meeting and spoke with him, and I met 382 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: Malania Trump, the first lady. She was incredibly gracious. So 383 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: my worldview has narrowed to what's happening in my community. 384 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: And when I think of five year time horizons, that 385 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: really feels to me like when I hope my community 386 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: is rebuilt, I think it's not unreasonable to hope that. 387 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: That sounds reasonable. Five years. 388 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: It might not happen because there are so many roadblocks 389 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: right now, but in five years, I'd like to be 390 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: in my house, in my community. I know it's going 391 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: to be different than it was. We'll never get it 392 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: back exactly as it was, but we will hopefully have 393 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: a beautiful community again. I should say beautiful neighborhood. The 394 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: community is still there, people are still in touch on 395 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: WhatsApp and all kinds of things. But I'm hoping that 396 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: that happens. I'm hoping my kids are happy in school. 397 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: It's very hard to balance the needs of children who 398 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: are different and have different talents. My eldest, she's really 399 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: into music. She's also into religion. My second, he is 400 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: an avid baseball player. He's a very good baseball player. 401 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 2: He likes religion, but he enjoys the kind of rough 402 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: and tumble of public school, a little bit more more 403 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: of a street kid. East Persona and my third and 404 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: fourth are still developing who they are. But you know, 405 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that the kids are happy and well adjusted 406 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: and my daughter will be on our way to some 407 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: good college. I hope something that's not. 408 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: If they'll still exist by then, you know, yeah. 409 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm hoping for that kind of 410 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: personal happiness and because if I can enjoy that, it 411 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: probably means there's also a public happiness going on in 412 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: my community as well, so that that's where I hope 413 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: things are five years out. 414 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: That's really great. We're rooting for you. 415 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: Really, thank you. 416 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: I've loved this conversation. I feel like I didn't know 417 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: that much about you, and I've really gotten to know 418 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: you on this On this talk, leave us here with 419 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: your best tip for my listeners on how they can 420 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: improve their lives. 421 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple. I'll give you a couple 422 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: since I have a couple of props here just unintentionally. 423 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: It's an audio show. 424 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, oh I see, well, I'll exclaim. So 425 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: I've got some advice that came from my late friend 426 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: Scott Adams, which is that physical health is really the 427 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: foundation of everything else, and if you can exercise daily 428 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: or almost daily, you'll find that your mental and emotional 429 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 2: outlook is a lot better. And it doesn't have to 430 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: be strenuous exercise. You're not becoming an Instagram fitness influencer, 431 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: but just find something you enjoy. Could even be walking 432 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: your dog around the park a couple extra times, not 433 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 2: just to relieve the dog, but to just get some 434 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: more steps in. It's really great. I mean, you'll feel better. 435 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: And here's my problem. I mean, this is my favorite 436 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: form of exercise, and I'm not trying to flex too 437 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: hard here, maybe just a little bit, but you know, 438 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: this is this is one of my boxing gloves. I mean, 439 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: I discovered boxing almost ten years ago and I box 440 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: about twice a week and it's incredible, just absolutely incredible. 441 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: It's a wonderful. It's a wonderful form of exercise because 442 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: it is challenging, it's difficult, but you're also not really 443 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: going to get injured if you're not taking punches. So 444 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: I do a little bit of sparring, but not much. 445 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: Mostly what I'm doing is just fitness work and you're 446 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: not really going to get injured. I did run before. 447 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: Running is hard to keep up because after a while 448 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: your knees start to her hamstring. I just love boxing, 449 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: and the other piece of advice that was given to 450 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: me more than twenty five years ago that I actually 451 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: followed was to keep a daily journal, and there's a 452 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: still I do. There's a wonderful book called The Artist's 453 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: Way by Julia Cameron which she advises that people write 454 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: three pages a day, and lately I've only been able 455 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: to manage one a day. But this is this is 456 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: my latest journal. I have dozens and dozens of these 457 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: that I've that I've filled. I mean, this is this 458 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 2: is min wow. Wow. 459 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: Jola is showing me really full pages in a journal. 460 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The challenge is you got to 461 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: fill the page. Really, you should fill three pages. But 462 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: I have a lot. 463 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Going on every day, every single day. 464 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: Every six days a week. I do. I do it, yeah, 465 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: six days a week and it it's. 466 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: A hero when I check my email every day. 467 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 2: You know. So it really opened up a lot of 468 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: pathways for me. I didn't become a screenwriter or or 469 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: winning novelist, you know. Really she advertises it as a 470 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: way to unlock your creativity, but there are other ways 471 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: to be creative. I just found ways of writing nonfiction 472 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: that came out of that experience, and I think that 473 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 2: practice enables me to write a lot of material in 474 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: a short period of time, because I start the day 475 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: by writing something for myself and so you kind of 476 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: get some creative ideas. You also get rid of the 477 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: mental clutter that you wake up with and then you 478 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: just write. So my advice would be get that book. 479 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: The two books I would recommend The Artist's Way by 480 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: Julia Cameron, and then Scott Adams's book, which I happen 481 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: to have here, how to fail at almost everything and 482 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: still win big. That's where he talks about many things, 483 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: but also about exercise. That would be my advice. 484 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: Amazing, Thank you so much. He's Joel Pollock. Check out 485 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: the California Post. It is really awesome and I were 486 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: really rooting for California and for the California Post and 487 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: for you, Joel. 488 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on h