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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you, Dan Baldwin, back with us. Dan as

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Speaker 1: an author, co author, ghostwriter with more than sixty published works,

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Speaker 1: fifty under someone else's name. Dan discovered his psychic abilities

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Speaker 1: late in life. Calls himself a psychic on training wheels.

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Speaker 1: Pendulum dowsing is his skill. We'll talk about that too.

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Speaker 1: His latest work is called The Paranormal Pendulum Too, What

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Speaker 1: the Spirits Say? He had another book called The Paranormal

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Speaker 1: Pendulum Dowsing the Departed. Dan, welcome to the program. It's

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Speaker 1: good to have you back. George is delightful'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you. And how are things everything? Okay? I trust

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Speaker 1: the wonderful The pendulum is swinging very well these days. Excellent.

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Speaker 1: How did you get involved in ghost writing? Luck of

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Speaker 1: the draw? I was doing some advertising work, you know,

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Speaker 1: copywriting for one of my clients. This is ok twenty

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Speaker 1: five years ago, and my client had a contract with

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Speaker 1: the dummy people and they said, yeah, we need to

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Speaker 1: write a four dummies book. Would you be interested in

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Speaker 1: writing it for us? And I said, well, of course,

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Speaker 1: and so that turned out to be so so fruitful

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Speaker 1: for both hours that they hired me to write three

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Speaker 1: or four more or more books, and they recommended me

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Speaker 1: to somebody else, who recommended me to somebody else, and it's,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically sixty books later. That's amazing. Sixty sixty

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Speaker 1: books is just incredible. I've got seven out there, and

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Speaker 1: I've written many of them with co writers who are

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Speaker 1: on the book with me. So just the fact that

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Speaker 1: you've done sixty is just remarkable. Yeah, the novels are

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Speaker 1: much easier, but I really enjoyed the ghostwriting. But my

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Speaker 1: psyching buddies get a kick out of my business card.

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Speaker 1: It says, you know, writer, said writer, editor ghost Exactly, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well not only are you a ghost writer, but you're

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Speaker 1: interested in ghosts per se, aren't you? Very much? So

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Speaker 1: it's uh, and this is something that you know, I

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Speaker 1: never planned in my life. You know, if you had

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Speaker 1: asked me twenty years ago would I be writing books

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Speaker 1: about talking to spirits or even talking to spirits, I

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Speaker 1: would have said, you're crazy. Thing it's led to another,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's opened up an entirely new new field

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Speaker 1: for me. How'd you get involved in us. I started out, oh,

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Speaker 1: back in again about twenty years ago. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: clear audience. I don't hear voices, okay, but one day

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Speaker 1: I heard a clear voice, I mean out of the

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Speaker 1: out of the blue. I was out by myself, and

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Speaker 1: it said, you know, go find missing children, clear as

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Speaker 1: a belle. My gosh. And that that impetus stayed with

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Speaker 1: me for about oh god, three months. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was an overpowering feeling, you know, I just could not

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Speaker 1: shake it. And you know, I finally did the obvious

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Speaker 1: and just stood out and the wilderness and said, okay,

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Speaker 1: show me the door, I'll walk through it. And then

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Speaker 1: it hit me, well, I've always heard that psychic ability

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Speaker 1: runs in one side of my family, decide that I

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Speaker 1: take after. And I said, well, maybe that'll work for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a trained cop and to train to investigated,

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Speaker 1: but if I can develop a psychic ability, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's the way I can go find kids. And

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Speaker 1: so I started hanging around psychics and hanging around psychic

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Speaker 1: psychic bookstores, and one day, uh, one of my psychic

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Speaker 1: friends showed me how to do a pendulum. I said,

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Speaker 1: that's for me. I can do that, and I'm self

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Speaker 1: taught and it just took off from there. Do you

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Speaker 1: hold the pendulum over a map? Yeah, you can do that.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the techniques and I use that frequently.

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Speaker 1: And what other ways do you use it? Well, basically

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Speaker 1: you ask questions. You know, you'll hold the pendulum up

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Speaker 1: in a pendulum is just a rock on a string.

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Speaker 1: And I'm generalizing, but the question you ask a yes

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Speaker 1: know in Phoenix? And it will swing right for yes,

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Speaker 1: it will swing no, for left for a swing left

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Speaker 1: right like you would shake your head up and down

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Speaker 1: on the same point. And through a series of questions

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Speaker 1: information and in narrow down on your research to very

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Speaker 1: specific areas. Is it your subconscious that is moving the

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Speaker 1: It's somewhat of an oversimplification, but when you work the pendulum,

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Speaker 1: little bit like hypnotism. You know, watch the watch, watch

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Speaker 1: the watch. So why your conscious mind is occupied? That

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Speaker 1: frees up your subconscious mind, and your subconscious mind taps

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Speaker 1: higher power, and the higher power sends the answer down

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Speaker 1: to the subconscious. The subconscious then then moves the finger

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Speaker 1: So in the case of let's say a missing child, Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: First of all? Yeah, j we uh. In my experience,

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Speaker 1: I've only worked with the authorities. If a family comes

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Speaker 1: to me or my associates, we will contact the police,

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Speaker 1: work with the police assigned to that case, not directly

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Speaker 1: police already know about this. Yeah, generally, And when somebody

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Speaker 1: other people. But generally, when I get called into a case,

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Speaker 1: Or are there says I've actually helped find people? And

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Speaker 1: in some cases I've helped when when when the situation

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Speaker 1: even if you find you find someone who is deceased,

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Speaker 1: you do have you provide closure for the family, So

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Speaker 1: that's something. And the children who are found are they

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Speaker 1: generally just kids who walk away and get lost or

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Speaker 1: who are they generally? The ones I've worked with have

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Speaker 1: been kidnappings. Oh my god, things are murdering, okay, And

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Speaker 1: if you don't find him within twenty four hours, chances

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Speaker 1: are your victim is dead. But we found one. There

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Speaker 1: the case and we found a cold case and she

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Speaker 1: was still alive, alive after eighteen years, and we found

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Speaker 1: and I remember the late Sylvia Brown telling the parents

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Speaker 1: him years later, grown up, and that was unbelievable. Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: An interesting thing that comes about sometimes this kind of

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Speaker 1: ties in with working with the spirits. But sometimes when

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Speaker 1: Or in some cases, I've had cases where the spirit says,

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Speaker 1: That's happened a couple of times. That's interesting. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: But they do give you a close closure eventually, don't

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Speaker 1: they eventually? Yes, And that's you know, that's incredible, you know,

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Speaker 1: really get wrapped up in each I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: does it get emotional for you too? Yeah. You you

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Speaker 1: have to develop the ability to compartmentalize things, you really

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Speaker 1: you have to compartmentalize if you want to help more people. Well,

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Speaker 1: would Dan ballwin? His latest book is called The Paranormal

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Speaker 1: Pendulum too, What the Spirits Say? Tell me about that title, Dan, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: very interesting topics. I said, I know people would be

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, it really is. And this one's all yours,

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Speaker 1: it's all mine. You know, you did some research about locations.

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Speaker 1: to different kind of places. We researched place over in

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Speaker 1: the Louisiana called Poverty Point. I'm sure you've heard about that. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And we researched places like museums, haunted houses, haunted, haunted mines.

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Speaker 1: it covers a lot of territory. Are these areas haunted? Uh?

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Speaker 1: very mobile. If they if you encountered a ghost at

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of accessions. There are rare occasions

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Speaker 1: where spirits are trapped, but they're self trapped. Have you

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Speaker 1: I've come across some playful spirits before, and I've come

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Speaker 1: a what I would consider a demonic or evil encounter

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Speaker 1: doing my spirit work. Not one. Is it because you're

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Speaker 1: lucky or what they're they're they're just not there. No,

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Speaker 1: showing courtesy and respect. For example, there's a place called

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Speaker 1: the Spring Street Museum in Louisiana Streeport in Louisiana. It's

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