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Speaker 1: I'm Creed Bratton and I played Creed Bratton on the Office.

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Speaker 1: It's so amazing. It's so amazing. None of those have

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Speaker 1: been funny before. Hello everyone, this is the Office Deep

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Speaker 1: Dive and I am your host, Brian Baumgartner. Today I

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Speaker 1: am pleased to present to you America's favorite weirdo, Creed Bratton.

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Speaker 1: I know the Dozeks guy thinks that he is, but

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Speaker 1: Creed truly maybe the most interesting man on earth. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know Creed story o, buckle up, folks.

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Speaker 1: Creed was a professional musician before the Office, like a

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Speaker 1: legit toward with the doors musician. And of course he

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Speaker 1: is still a musician to this day, though as far

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Speaker 1: as I know, he's no longer doing cocaine with Jim

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Speaker 1: Morrison put more on that shortly. Needless to say, every

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Speaker 1: time I get to see Creed is a is a

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Speaker 1: total delight. In fact, the night before this interview you're

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Speaker 1: about to hear, Creed invited myself, Angela Kinzie, Rain Wilson

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Speaker 1: and others to participate in a benefit concert that he

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Speaker 1: was giving for the wildfires that were ravaging Australia at

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Speaker 1: the time. And let me tell you I'm sure I

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Speaker 1: was terrible, but Creed was awesome. It was so amazing.

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Speaker 1: I felt transported back in time as he is playing

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Speaker 1: to an absolute packed house on the Sunset Strip at

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Speaker 1: the Roxy. It was so fun. Anyway, Uh, sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Creed for this conversation was strange and wonderful, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that it will be for you as well,

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Speaker 1: both strange and wonderful. And be sure to stay tuned

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Speaker 1: at the end of this episode because I brought Creed

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Speaker 1: back in for a second interview the first time that's happened,

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Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk to him about his song

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Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak and why we chose it to be

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Speaker 1: our theme song, the song you're about to hear, So

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Speaker 1: please welcome to your ears, Mr Creed Bratton, Bubble and Squeak.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Bubble and Squeak and Bubble and Squeaker,

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Speaker 1: cooking it every month, left over from the night before. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Hot stuff? My voice? That done? You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You guys rocked, rocked, Thank you man, And it was

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Speaker 1: a good guy that the people loved it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, here we go. Yeah, I do the

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Speaker 1: guy on yours is your volume? Hi, thank you sir,

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Speaker 1: Do do do do one two one two? Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna start singing you guys. Uh, there we are. Hi. Hello, Brian, buddy,

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Speaker 1: how are you good? I'm good. Yeah, that was very

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Speaker 1: fun last night. It was great. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming. Yes, well you know anything for the animals

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Speaker 1: or for you indeed, and for you right right back

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Speaker 1: at you VI a V. Yeah. So it's been so

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Speaker 1: amazingly fun just talking to people. Um, you had for

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Speaker 1: four hours. You said I had Greg for four hour,

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Speaker 1: but it has come to our attention that he talks

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Speaker 1: really slow. So I think it's more like an hour

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Speaker 1: and forty minutes. It's where there's a train passing through. Ye. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's smarter than all of us, without a doubt, without

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Speaker 1: a doubt. Okay, So I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: take you back back. Okay back you started in music,

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Speaker 1: you started where you want to go back back to you.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back. I want to know. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear a little bit wob that. I want

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Speaker 1: all the uterous kind of back. Yeah, all back there,

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Speaker 1: um okay um born in Los Angeles. Yes, at the

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Speaker 1: to this, William Charles Schneider, William Charles Schneider, just like

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Speaker 1: it said on the thing when I had the passport thing,

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Speaker 1: It's all true. All this stuff is true. All this

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Speaker 1: stuff about killing people. I'm sorry to say, is there

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Speaker 1: only thing maybe I shouldn't discuss. I don't discuss that. Probably. Wait, um,

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Speaker 1: do you go by William Charles Schneider at all? My

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Speaker 1: because you've never officially changed your name. Well, it's my

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Speaker 1: My lawyers and everybody says, it's just a house. You

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Speaker 1: really a lot of hassle. So my passport says William Charles,

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Speaker 1: I fly over to Europe under that you know name.

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Speaker 1: What about your license here it's Creed Bratton. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then he goes, he goes back and forth. You know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't running from the law for years, you know that. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that joke. It's not surprised, you know exactly. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: so was your was your first big year, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so my my I was born in l A. My

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Speaker 1: By the age of third teen, I started playing guitar.

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Speaker 1: And then my grandfather, Charles, he played guitar in a

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Speaker 1: tour Case. We played seventeen. I was working professionally with

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Speaker 1: then I had a band called the Leanders, which means

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Speaker 1: a drama major at Sacramona State and I had another

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Speaker 1: I traveled around for almost two and a half years

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Speaker 1: in Europe, North Africa, the Red Curtain countries, Israel. We

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Speaker 1: I did. I I still remember Frank Sinatra coming to me.

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Speaker 1: I was just like a early twenties kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: just moved me away. It was my only Frank Sinatra movement. Movement,

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Speaker 1: that's true. He saved your life, He saved my hand.

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Speaker 1: That's what this is? What right, Frank Sinatra saved Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're you're right, you're you're you're good at this promo thing.

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Speaker 1: So then, uh, Then I got back to Europe while later,

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Speaker 1: and I had a band called the Umte Floor not

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Speaker 1: which was a big band. It would have confused me,

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Speaker 1: well confused to most people. And we were playing at

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Speaker 1: and we've been playing over a year and we had

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Speaker 1: a chance to become the Grassroots. First song, Live for

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Speaker 1: Today goes right up the charts and they were off.

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Speaker 1: That was your first song. That was the first song

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Speaker 1: was Live for Today, and I was I played guitar

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Speaker 1: worn that and they played guitar on that. My friend

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Speaker 1: Bobby Ray played bass, and the Great Session Drumber hal

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Speaker 1: Blaine played drums on it. Wow. Yeah, the Wrecking Crew

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Speaker 1: and I used to play with the Wrecking to a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'd be hard, they had hope kind of things.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I left the band is

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Speaker 1: didn't like. Yeah, that was the deal. Interesting and so

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Speaker 1: you were with the Grassroots for how long? Four albums

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Speaker 1: from sixty seven sixty sixty six to seventy. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you you were the biggest star on the set

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Speaker 1: of the Office. Before the Office, you were kind of

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Speaker 1: time arrived there with Steve Carrill on the four year

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Speaker 1: Old Virgin. He was it starts after we started. I

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Speaker 1: think you were the biggest star. Well, I I like

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Speaker 1: you like the thing about you know me? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: like the way you put you putting this Are you

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Speaker 1: did you well? No, but it's true. I mean it

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Speaker 1: might be technically true as far as pop culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: life for yeah years, yeah, for years likely to be alive.

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Speaker 1: My friend, I remember in a very Creed Broughton way,

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Speaker 1: meaning you and your character on the show John Krasinski

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this all the time, you walking

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Speaker 1: that story is so outlandish it can't possibly be true.

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Speaker 1: But maybe it is. And I think you did both.

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Speaker 1: I think you told stories that I might have embellished

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Speaker 1: a movement. Brian, do you know? But I know I

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Speaker 1: don't have to be much you don't. But my son

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Speaker 1: parted with Jim Morrison of course. Yeah. The Doors by

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Speaker 1: John Densmore, the drummer was my best man at my wedding.

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Speaker 1: toured together. Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's all real. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Charles Conrad. I did a bunch of stuff before the Office.

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Speaker 1: if you look at IMDb, I've done a bunch of

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Speaker 1: TV movies and things. You know. John Crosby and there Will,

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Speaker 1: done a play with bow Bridges, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: had my hair, you know, it's kind of kind of attractive,

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Speaker 1: you know, and very very confident. So he signed up

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Speaker 1: And I was just working for a couple of years

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Speaker 1: you were working with Ken Kappas and I met Ken

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Speaker 1: to Amibre Records for me to sign some albums for him,

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Speaker 1: and I found he was like encyclopedia of pop knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Ken knows all that stuff he does, he does and

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Speaker 1: I healed it off. He's such a sweetheart. We know

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Speaker 1: we love Kim. So I heard from Joe that he

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Speaker 1: was directing uh the Office in American Workplace, and I went,

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Speaker 1: I loved the Ricky Gervais things. So I did something

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Speaker 1: I've never ever done. Brian. I called. He gave me

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Speaker 1: he wasn't that starting? Oh? I said, look, I just

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Speaker 1: Gervais show so much. I said, is there any way

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Speaker 1: me talk to Greg? He calls me back? He said,

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Speaker 1: I told him we were a very interesting guy, and

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Speaker 1: he said I think I think he said. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: if he's that interesting, let's see if we can work

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Speaker 1: the mixer. There. I mean, you know, in the background

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Speaker 1: freaking down. I'm saying, chill, chill, it's okay, relax, and

423
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: I said, but I had this seriously after that article.

424
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: For a year, I had this reoccurring dream and I'd

425
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night and all

426
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriends were coming at me in a circle, angry,

427
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: naked with strap ons, and I'd wake up in a

428
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: cold sweat, a cold sweat and a little titillated too,

429
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I gotta say. But but I told that story to

430
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: the thing, and then of course they did the the

431
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: the gay witch Hut story. This is what I'm talking about.

432
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that is true. I

433
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: don't know how much of that. You don't know either.

434
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: The one I always know it is that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

435
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: so I remember, I remember just I mean, I think

436
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: this is when you used a lot. But the one

437
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: that I always tell was us in the conference room

438
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: one day. This is really early on, and um, I

439
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: don't even know if we can use this or not,

440
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna at least tell you now, I remember

441
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: you something happened and you go, yeah, yeah, that reminds

442
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: me snorting cocaine off of Booker's ass at the Playboy

443
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Mansion with Jim Morrison. It's looking around. What did he

444
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: just say so many words together? It sounds wrong. Yeah,

445
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: And we'll never know. Now, we'll never know that is true,

446
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: certainly don't know anymore in adult as I am. So

447
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: what combination is the character Creed Bratton? How much of

448
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: the character of Creed Broton is you? Well, you've known

449
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: me long enough to know that that I am not. Actually,

450
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: it used and we used to play him up to

451
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I wrote him as because I did write the character

452
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: at the beginning, so he was um. Think of myself

453
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: as a as a crack tuning fork. It's a it's

454
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: a it's filibrating and it's all marated to break and

455
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: it's it's and I wrote the physical comedy is from

456
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: Jacques Tati and the way he physically walks, the facial

457
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: expressions are Jack, Benny, George Gobel, Bob new Heart, and

458
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: it's it's in a juxtaposition of all those characters that

459
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: I loved. And that's that's how my comedy came around

460
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: and then I then I so I tried to write

461
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: a character. Uh. My original premise was that Creed, a

462
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: rock star, had an over overdose. He passed out on

463
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: a Greyhound bus, ended up in a dumpster in Scratton,

464
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: and Ed truck brought him in and gave him a

465
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: job as in the stores, a salesman in the in

466
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: the dunder Mifflin, where he was horrible at and then

467
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: they were frightened of him and stuck him over. That

468
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: was the premise basically, And so he was just Yeah,

469
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: he's an extension obviously extension of this rock and roll guy.

470
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: But I mean I would be worn out if I

471
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: had to be him all the time because because he's

472
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: he's operating out that higher he's what to name, get

473
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: that kind of he he's hyped up. You know, was

474
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: there something physically you did in terms of getting that character?

475
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: Like what what was? It was almost like getting myself

476
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: a hiccup, a physical hiccup. It's just almost a nervous

477
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: twitch to be him. Yeah, And even and I had

478
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: and they thought he was joking sometimes said wait a minute,

479
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not ready. I'm not ready. Well, what

480
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: do you mean, you're I'm not. I'm I'm a I'm

481
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: a rock guy. I'm a musician, you know, I'm right

482
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: right these soulful songs, and that's that's who i am.

483
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm more much more serious and thoughtful than

484
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: that character. But when I'm in the behind the desk,

485
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm the chicanery involved. There's escaping from the law. There's

486
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: there's always been one step somebody in my eyes and

487
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: just thinking that they're gonna find me out. That was

488
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: always my backstory. Are they going to find me out?

489
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: So that's when every time we look at anybody, the

490
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: thing in the back of my mind was going to

491
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: see that I'm just faking it here and I'm cheating

492
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: them and stealing from them. We were there so much

493
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: that after a while just it becomes ingrained in your

494
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: behavior and you keep it sometimes in between when saying,

495
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: when Creed is leaving the office, oh, sorry, that's been

496
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: a murdic im in it here. Oh I'm Steve. I

497
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: got well, I'll be right back, and you see my body,

498
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: my body head out. That's that's very Jacques Tati. You know,

499
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: when I was in Europe, I watched a lot of

500
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: this that his comedy and I just loved his physical movement,

501
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, So I would emulate emulate this and that's

502
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, yeah, because it's funny. It's it's half

503
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin and half Jacques Tati. Yeah. What was your

504
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: job in the office? Uh? Quality? Ashlan's quality, quality, quality assurance,

505
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: which he never did. He never did. Was there any

506
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: the one time he didn't go he gave He came

507
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: in one time in a year and missed up on something.

508
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: That's when the cart characters rabbing sex on the Yeah,

509
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: and then and he frames Debbie Brown. He finds she's

510
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: the only one not at work that day, and so

511
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: he blames on her. Then he collects money at the

512
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: end and pockets and himself. He's such a scump, scummy guy.

513
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: What what exactly is the job of quality? Oh? I

514
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the thing. I didn't want to be

515
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: found out because they didn't do any work. Push papers,

516
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: literally pushed papers round on the desk. Yeah, I'm not

517
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: sure Kevin did either. He in betted the Clevin he

518
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: did invent then did that. So that's you have that

519
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: to live with. Yes, Um, so you talked about season two,

520
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, the end of season two. Um, we win

521
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: the Emmy. Casino Night, last one we had in the

522
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Casino Night, such a fun episode we had gotten, you

523
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: know shortly before that, after like getting six episodes and

524
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: two and four and one and three and in season two,

525
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, we get a full season pick up first

526
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: season three and we win the Emmy after season two.

527
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: What do you remember about those I've never I always

528
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost a mystoic philosophy Gu'm ryan, and I

529
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: just I live in the moment. I know predict that

530
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: anything's gonna happen. I just do the work as a

531
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: day comes, and so I didn't look too far ahead.

532
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I just tried to be there

533
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: and be there now. As they say when we go

534
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: to the red carpet events in the Limos. That was

535
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: the first time that I felt a little like and

536
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: it felt like back in the grassroot days kind of

537
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: something you and going to a big show or something

538
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, I kind of remember this this energy,

539
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it's a rush. It's kind of great. Yeah. When did

540
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: you start getting recognized as being creed brought in from

541
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: the office. I think about the third season I was

542
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: in Trader Joe's and walking along and a woman pulled

543
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: her child away from me and I and I was alarmed,

544
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: but I was kind of pleased that my character did

545
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: that to someone, you know. And then she looked apologetic

546
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: and I did say to her, said, I'm just an actress, said,

547
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not. I did, I'm not that guy.

548
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, she just sugar and said she just

549
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: pulled ahead child's eyes moved away, and I took it

550
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: as a compliment. I remember my U. I did this

551
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: movie years ago, Peter mcdani's film called Mask with Eric

552
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Stoltz and Samuel and Share. I was the ticket taker

553
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: in that in that movie, and my daughter was studying

554
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: at the Performing Academy in Manhattan and she went with

555
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: her friends to see the movie and they she didn't

556
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: tell them that I was in it. And when I

557
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: did my scene with Samuel, you know, yeah, whatever the

558
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: line was, you know, like that day, Oh, what an asshole.

559
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: And she said, Dad, I was so proud of you,

560
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: and I felt really good that they thought it was

561
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: an asshole. Yes, yes, that's awesome, so great, that's so awesome.

562
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: You talked about the magic and it is unexplainable. It is,

563
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: why do you think that the show connects so well

564
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: with young people? You know, like it's a show about

565
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I actually looked this up. I mean, this is a

566
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: side story last night because we did the thing for

567
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: your birthday that but then, by the way, thank you

568
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: guys so much. Just blew my mind. I didn't see

569
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: it coming. Yeah I didn't. By the way, everyone it's tomorrow,

570
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: it's his birthday, because I looked it up because I

571
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: was like, is it actually today? And nobody knew, so

572
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I looked it up. And this is a very weird

573
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: story that I'm saying this because I'm I'm pretty sure

574
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: you're the oldest. But I was looking at it and going,

575
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: other than John and Jenna and b J, I'm the

576
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: youngest likely yeah, like all those guys and so but

577
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: even I, you know, when the show started, I was

578
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: thirty one. Oh my god, I thought you were older

579
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: in there. Yea, that's what you're such. You're a kid there, Yeah,

580
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: well anymore a long time. Um. But my point is

581
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: was that, you know, we were still like, you know,

582
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: early middle age to upper middle aged group of people

583
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: who worked in an office. And I always thought, oh, well, this.

584
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, if everyone works in an office or everybody

585
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: goes to work, like thinking, those are the people that

586
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: it would really appeal to, not and not that it doesn't,

587
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: but it has such a young audience base. Why do

588
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: you think that, man, Brian? I I used to think

589
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: it was because of the sweetness of the show, and

590
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: and there was a heart. That the show has a

591
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: heart without a doubt, it's undeniable. And how how does

592
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: that happen? I don't know. But I also think now

593
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: that in retrospect um there's so much anguish. There's only

594
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: so much vampires blowing up and and threats of all

595
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: this stuff, and the angst, the existential angst of whatever

596
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: we're experiencing. Own to my god, there's a cartoon there

597
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: to Day where guys looking at his dog, he says,

598
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you don't have to know what's going

599
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: on right now. It's kind of that thing. Our show

600
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: didn't really torture people with the immediency of our demise

601
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: as and so it relaxed them. It relaxes people. I

602
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: think it's one of those shows that relaxes people, and

603
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: they go to it to make themselves feel happy. And

604
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I think we also came in at a time where

605
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't look that dated for an office. You know,

606
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: there were cell phones, there were computers. You know, if

607
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: you go back a little board, you don't see that stuff,

608
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: so kind of dates. We just came in at that

609
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: sweet spot, I think too. And it's and it's it's

610
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: definitely funny and people can relate to it, not even

611
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: if you're an office or not. The interpersonal relationship of

612
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: all these people and who do it so well? You know, yeah,

613
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: well it's I have to give credit because I'm not

614
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: the smart But I was speaking to um, this woman

615
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: who's a television critic, and she was talking about some

616
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: of the you know, political, economic things that are going

617
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: on in our world. And you know, it was a

618
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: show about a small paper company in Scranton, Pennsylvania. But

619
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: what what she was talking to me about is those

620
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: businesses now they don't exist now, and there's a nostalgia

621
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in a way, like like who would have thought that

622
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: would actually be a good job right now? If you're

623
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: in that industry, you work at Staples or Office Max

624
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: or Target or Walmart, you know, like you're working for

625
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: Superstore like that television show. Now, like if that's the

626
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: progression from the office, it's a big box store humanity

627
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: or heart. I think that's a very interesting idea. I agree.

628
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: And if you wanted to work with people and make relationship,

629
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: you'd want to be at dunder Mifflin, not an impersonal staples,

630
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, because you get lost and you might might happen,

631
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: and people want to kind of where we need that

632
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: stuff in in our lives. We're losing a lot of it, unfortunately. Yeah.

633
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: Like the concept of the show the conceit, right, is like, oh,

634
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: here's a boring here's a boring office job in a

635
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: paper company, right, But if you look at the alternative,

636
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: it's slinging paper. It target like that's not no, yeah, no,

637
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: this is much better. Yeah, we're a little we're a

638
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: little biased too though. Well yeah, I know I certainly.

639
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Um when Greg left to go start Parks and Rack,

640
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Mike and Greg laugh and John Slotta and Paul were there,

641
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: did you notice any any change really because Greg was

642
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: still around. Yeah, I know, he's around for a while.

643
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I think I think it. It took me a while

644
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: to to feel that there was more of a I

645
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know, a Hodgepodgy Hodgepodgy feeling after he left for

646
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: a while. I don't know, I couldn't I couldn't even

647
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: actually put my finger on if there was a cohesive

648
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: thread that there was missing. But I think there was

649
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: to some degree. And maybe it's just my hindsight that

650
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: I know that now so that I can, you know,

651
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: superimposed those feelings over it. But I kind of felt,

652
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: I did feel for sure when he came back, that

653
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the ship was righted to it at some degree. Yeah,

654
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I have to say that. But I'm a big, great

655
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: fan obviously, you know, we all are, but you know, well,

656
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: because he just seemed to always support he was he

657
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: had my back, you know, and he'd he allowed me

658
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: to play music, allowed me to play music in the show,

659
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: which is a huge thing, you know, and he gave me.

660
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Remember one time, I was did some ad lib stuff

661
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe I was right in the beginning,

662
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe I was usurpre in my position somewhat.

663
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: I came to him and said, do you think I

664
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: should have thrown that thing? And they said, no, no, no,

665
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't want you to center yourself every creek. Just

666
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: just say it out there, patted me on the back,

667
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: and I went, Okay, this is he gave me the

668
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: carte blanche to continue on being my insane self sweetness. Yeah,

669
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: and he's so damned smart, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Um, Steve

670
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: basically becomes a giant movie star. Yes, in season two,

671
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about either any recollections,

672
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: not even recollections. How was he like to work with

673
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, you started that first scene in Halloween. It

674
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: was six and a half pages with him, right. Well,

675
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: he was very giving and gracious, you know, and uh,

676
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: he allowed me the space to to jump up and

677
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: just do do stuff, you know, and uh and and

678
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: we just kept going, which a professional just kept going.

679
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: It was a long day. We were in that office

680
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: for a long time. But I had so much respect

681
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: for him. And later on, I think it was season two,

682
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: he was doing some scenes and oh it was at

683
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: the end of is that wonderful, wonderful scene where the

684
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: children come up at the ind of Halloween and you

685
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: see what heart this guy has, you know, and remember

686
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: some other scene you could see it. And I came

687
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: up to him one day and I told him, I said,

688
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you are really really good dramatic actor, Steve. And I

689
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: think it was a little embarrassed and take h because

690
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: he's shy in a way, you know he is, And

691
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: I said, no, it really needs to I think I

692
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: embarrassed him just a little bit because I had such

693
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: a great respect for the guy. And also, you know,

694
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: as you know, how hard it is not to laugh

695
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: when he's doing when comes in his prison mic or

696
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: and in the big overweight suit. You know, I think

697
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: it's so hard to lapse my cloth, so so brilliant,

698
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, just great to watch it. I learned a

699
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: lot from watching him too. I learned a lot from

700
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: everybody that came on just you know, uh Spader. When

701
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: I watch Spader work, I was picking his nuances and

702
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: stuff like crazy. I pay very close attention to that stuff.

703
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: People that I respect and watch didn't file it away

704
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: for characters for later. Yeah, when did you find out

705
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: that he was leaving? I basically that scene in there

706
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: when I say see you tomorrow, boss, I thought he

707
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: was still staying. No. No, we all knew, and uh,

708
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: that was hard. That was hard. I wasn't sure, you know,

709
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: I think I probably voted it with a few people.

710
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: I said, you know, when I think it might be

711
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: time to just stop. You know, I really felt that.

712
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, without him, how can this? How

713
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: can it possibly go on? How can I go on?

714
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: And I would have understood, you know, really, I'm glad

715
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: obviously we got to go on, and obviously the finale

716
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: redeemed us in a way. I believe that finale just

717
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: kind of like pull the thing together. There were some

718
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: great moments too, but I don't think they ever came

719
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: up to his stuff with Steve. I just don't think so,

720
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: do you. I am tremendously proud, quite frankly, of the

721
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: entire ninth season. I feel like it's a little underappreciated

722
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: in a way. I think that we were continuing to

723
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: try to find the right formula in terms of who

724
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: was the boss, but I think the show just started

725
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: functioning differently. I feel like not a whole lot of

726
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: shows gets to end on their own terms and and

727
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: tell the end of a story that they wanted to tell.

728
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: And the idea of you know, Greg wanting to finish

729
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the story in that way, I felt like he was

730
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: able to do it and and and I thought did

731
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: it very effective? Well? That was like I said, that

732
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: finale was so But did you feel at the time

733
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: that when when Steve left, that you would have been

734
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: happy saying, okay, let's just call it no no, now

735
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: you want to to continue on. Personally, I think the

736
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: show could still be on right now. It would have

737
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: turned into like E R and people would have laughed,

738
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: and new people coming in. My character would be dead,

739
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, although I don't think Greg would ever let

740
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: anybody die. Who was there, I don't know, but maybe maybe.

741
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Um before the finale, did you have a conversation with Greg? Yes, yes,

742
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: he he called me, and you know, he'd asked everybody.

743
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: He said, I want to know what your your feedback is,

744
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: how do you think the character Creeds should leave? And

745
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I told him I thought it well, and I said,

746
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: I think this is this song of mine. All the

747
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: faces I could be at, poor Richards playing my guitar.

748
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: You guys, the cast all walks in and I'm singing

749
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: all the faces and the camera comes in on each

750
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: of you. And he said, I like that idea. That's

751
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: the last I heard of it until the table read,

752
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: and then I saw it at that time and I

753
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: almost cried, I literally and Brian, I want oh my God.

754
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: Looked around there was my guitar. I didn't know I

755
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: was going to sing that song until the table read.

756
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: That's the first time I heard about it. They kept

757
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: they kept it, They kept it just as a surprise.

758
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: It was emotional. Wait, they they had your guitar. Now,

759
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: the p A went and got my guitar and had

760
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: it there. And I looked around like this, and I

761
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: went on, I see reading the script and but oh

762
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna sing this song. And what there is?

763
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: Greg's letting me sing my song. And look around, they're

764
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: they're all. They're standing back, they're smiling, and they got

765
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: my guitar. They planned this. You know, will you play?

766
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: Will you play a little bit for me? All right? Okay,

767
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I gotta tear my phone on just for second, guys,

768
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: to tune up this acts. This is the guitar I

769
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: used actually on the on the show. This this old

770
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Martin and John. It's a good story. John. We couldn't

771
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: get the microphone on the think and then the shot

772
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: so Krasinski said he'd hold the shotgun. He had it

773
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: under his arm when we were recording. You couldn't hide him, mind,

774
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't hide the mic for the guitar itself. And

775
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: then John said, well, I'll just hold the shotgun mic

776
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: under my arm because he was the closest. He was

777
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: the closest to me, and and he was sitting there

778
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: talking to looking over Pampit all the time. He's holding

779
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: him right there on the sound hole. He's a team

780
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: player like boy. We know that all right for you.

781
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: I saw a friend to day. It had been a while.

782
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: We forgot each other's name, but it didn't matter because

783
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: deep inside m feeling still remains. We talked of knowing

784
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: one before you've met, how you feel more than you see,

785
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: and other worlds that lie spaces in between angels. We

786
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: can see all the faces that I know have that

787
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: same familiar glue. I think I must have known them

788
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: somewhere once, beeful. All the faces that I know, and

789
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: all the faces were seeking chen eirvery day. When we

790
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: get home at night, there's one face me. And when

791
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: my mind's absorbed on my private little screen and I'm walking,

792
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: climbing through a sea of unknown men, I heard a

793
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: voice reminded they're across the street, walks an old forgotten friends.

794
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: We don't have to say a word. It's really better

795
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: left unsaid, just light through as that recognize all the faces,

796
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: all the faces I know, and all the faces we

797
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: see each in air when we get home at night.

798
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: There's one face we need all the faces I see

799
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: eachin every day when I get home at night. Face

800
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: I need when I get home at night. You're the

801
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: only face I need. So great. There we go, so great, dude,

802
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it Um that gets me every time. Um, we're

803
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: six years since you sang that song in the finale, right,

804
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: do you feel like the show is bigger now than

805
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: it was then? Without a doubt, without a doubt. And

806
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I can tell because I'm always out on the road,

807
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: play in front of people. And I started out on

808
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: the show with two people. Now it's eight hundred of

809
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: thousand coming to see my show. And they come up

810
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: to me and they're younger. And the kids that watched

811
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: the show then are grown up. They turned their younger

812
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: symbolis onto it. Their children. Oh my god, there's young

813
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: people who were born by that time who've already have

814
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: seen the show and and know the show. It's Dones,

815
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: It's Dones. It's crazy, right it is. And I don't

816
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: know how long how long this thing will last, but

817
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: it seems to me that just keeps growing, you know,

818
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: went away. Why do you think I think all this

819
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about before the Heart the Heart, I

820
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: just think we should just enjoy it and you just

821
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: try to try to figure out why. I mean, if

822
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: somebody can figure it out, sure that would be great,

823
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can articulate exactly where where

824
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: the magic occurs and how it occurs. Yeah, just accepted

825
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: and being grateful. What are you most thankful for waking

826
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: up in the mornings from your experience from the off? Um,

827
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so many things, Brian, so many things,

828
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, just to to find that you can actually

829
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: get together with a bunch of people in a community

830
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: effort and and make make a wonderful thing, you know,

831
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: and get like like you said, without the backbiting, without

832
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: the egos and stuff like that, for everybody pulling together

833
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: for a purpose. It's that it's that sixties thing. And

834
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: we grew up. We thought we could change something, you know,

835
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: and we did with that show as a game changer.

836
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: And to find that you can work and in a

837
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: harmonious environment is pretty rewarding stuff. We all got to

838
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: laugh every day, so it wasn't like work to get

839
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: to be. And that's the thing for me. I get

840
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: to go to just something that I just enjoy. It's

841
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: never like were it's a it's a blessing. It's an

842
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: absolute blessing. Yeah, it's too out a head end. But

843
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: if the good things have to all good things, we gosh,

844
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: we had a song. All good things come to an end.

845
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: It's true, you know, create we were a family, but

846
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: I think we still are anyways, you know we still are.

847
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: Can't take that away. It's it's rained in us now. UM.

848
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you man, and thanks for

849
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: coming in and talking. Come on, it was my pleasure

850
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: offering well not just your song, but you're your your

851
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: sense of humor, thoughtfulness. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

852
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Is this now? Are you recording right now from your

853
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: home studio? I'm going to turn the recording on right now,

854
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: thank you fording me. There we go. I'm recording from

855
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: my home stud Yes, indeed, you're recording from your home studio.

856
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: It's so good to talk to you. Um. So, when

857
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I was putting together this podcast, we started talking about

858
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: oh what music, and I was like, WHOA, what if

859
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: we go to Creed, Like, let's let's look at some

860
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: of Creed's music, some of his new stuff. And I

861
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: hear your song Bubble and Squeak, and I just fall

862
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: in love with it, Like I just it was like

863
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: the perfect vibe for me. So where did Bubble and

864
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: Squeak come from? Where did the inspiration for that come from?

865
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak? I? Um, it was a year last

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00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: year or the year before. I it's been so long now,

867
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Speaker 1: which seems like we have been held held up, you know,

868
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: held for ransom in these in our homes. Um. I

869
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: went to Romanian shot this movie called The Sisters Brothers,

870
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: and UH came back and I was spent spending some

871
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: time in London, staying at hotel. They're just kind of

872
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: cruising around owned and I this is my fun to third,

873
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: third or fourth time there. And I went to have

874
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: dinner or a lunch or something and they're on the

875
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: menu had said Bubble and Squeak. And all these years

876
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: that I've been there, I never had it. I never

877
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: I was always curious. So I finally asked the wait

878
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I said, what does this mean? They said, oh, it's

879
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: when you take a bunch of stuff, you know, and

880
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: you just from from lunch or dinner the day before,

881
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: and next morning you throw it all in a pan

882
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: and you had some eggs. So I said, well, I

883
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: do that all the time, and I do. I keep

884
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: my dinner leftovers, and a lot of people do just

885
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: toss me with eggs. It's a great way to have

886
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: a breakfast that way. So, um, it's kind of like

887
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: your show. And I commented, I think this is just

888
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of like your show because you're taking all these

889
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: bits and pieces and stuff and you're not really sure

890
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: what's gonna you hope it's going to turn out great,

891
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: and you throw you throw it in the pan and

892
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: you see what's what's gonna happen. Yes, we're taking what

893
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: everybody said, whatever is left, and we're gonna put it

894
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: in a pan and cook it up and try to

895
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: deliver something fun and good. Well, Creed, thank you so

896
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: much for coming back on and talking about the song.

897
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting us you bubble and sweet, and thank

898
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: you for you, thank you for using it. I do

899
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: appreciate my friend now absolutely I cannot wait for people

900
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: to hear the rest of Mr Creed Broughton. So thanks

901
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: so much, man, I really appreciate you. Love you too.

902
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, I don't know about you, but

903
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: something about that guy, just I don't know, it just

904
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: tugs at my old heart strings. He is truly one

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00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: of a kind and I am a better person for

906
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: knowing him. So thank you so much Creed for joining

907
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: me in the studio and again for letting me use

908
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: your fantastic song that works so perfectly for this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You rock, and thanks to all of you for listening.

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00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: You rock as well, I guess, and uh, I will

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Speaker 1: see you all right back here next week for another

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Speaker 1: episode of the Office Deep Dive. The Office Deep Dive

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Speaker 1: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer,

915
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: our producer is Adam Macias, our associate producer is Emily Carr,

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Speaker 1: and our assistant editor is Diego Tapia. My main man

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Speaker 1: in the booth is Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble

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Speaker 1: and Squeak, performed by my great friend Cree Bratton, and

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Speaker 1: the episode was mixed by Seth Olanski. Kay