1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Coward Podcast presented by FanDuel Sports Book. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: No better place to make every moment more than with 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Fan Duel Basketball Football. They have awesome new and existing 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: user promotions. It's easy to use, it's safe and secure. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: You can get your winnings back in two hours. My 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: favorite the Same Game parlays. You can bet five or 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: ten bucks in one, one hundred and fifty bucks or more. 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: If you are new, just download the FanDuel Sportsbook app. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Get started now, sign up promo code Colin, so they 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: know we and I sent you. The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: in Thursday night. I got COVID and so I didn't 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: show up for work Friday. Nor can I go based 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: on protocols at Fox or iHeartRadio on the premises today. 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: So I'll take a COVID test today, hopefully get back tomorrow. 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: I feel fine, got through the weekend. I'm ready to work. 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: So let's discuss the six game suspension handed down by 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Judge Sue Robinson for Deshaun Watson. It's complicated. So a 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the NFL and the NFLPA agreed 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: to this current process, and the reason they agreed to 21 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: it because the NFL, clumsily for years had really botched 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: many suspensions and they wanted to put it in somebody 23 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: else's hand, an arbiter, independent, no jury involved. It's often 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: a retired judge, so Sue Robinson knows. The CBA was 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: presented with four cases, all nonviolent from Deshaun Watson, and 26 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: hands down the verdict of six games. Now the NFL 27 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: has three days, the NFLPA, they have three days to 28 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: appeal it. My guess is the NFLPA is satisfied with 29 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: six games. It could have been far worse. This is 30 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: where it becomes complicated. It's more art than science because 31 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell's job, and this is not Sue Robinson's job. 32 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: His job is to protect the league, and perception is 33 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: part of that protection. So the largest growing fan base 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: among all demographics in the NFL is women. Six games 35 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: for thirty accusations. Zeke for the Cowboys got six games 36 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: for one accusation. Big Ben got six games for one accusation. 37 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Those were non criminal accusations. This was non criminal right. 38 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: Two grand juries did not indict Deshaun Watson, and so 39 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: what do we do here? What does Roger Goodell do well? 40 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Executives commissioners are rarely scrutinized for being overly punitive, handing 41 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: down a very harsh sentence. It's when they go light, 42 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: which Goodell and the NFL have done several times. It's 43 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: why they agree to this process two years ago. So 44 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell knows better for the league, perception, better for 45 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: the brand. If they come in and double or triple 46 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: the suspension, now, the NFLPA would sue. It would drag 47 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: out for six months in the news cycle. NFLPA doesn't 48 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: want that. Deshaun Watson doesn't want that. Roger Goodell doesn't 49 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: want that. So again, more art and science. What do 50 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: you do to a six game suspension, which to me 51 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and many feels light. If you make it eight games, 52 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: how harsh will the criticism of Goodell be and how 53 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: long will it last? He will, in my opinion add 54 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: games to this. I felt before the ruling, Deshaun Watson 55 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: came across as creepy and criminal or not, it deserved 56 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: a full year suspension. Maybe that's unrealistic. My hunch was, however, 57 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: he would be suspended until about Thanksgiving half the season. 58 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: I think Goodell has been an excellent, excellent commissioner. The 59 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: league has grown on every platform. But if there is 60 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: a knock on him, and I think it's just as 61 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: that he has butchered, maybe a bit strong, but botched 62 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: multiple previous suspensions he came into light. Executives are always 63 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: better served coming in harsh and dealing with those consequences. 64 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: This is never as easy as people on Twitter and 65 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: social media want you to believe. A commissioner's job is 66 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: different than an arbiter. He is protecting the brand, he's 67 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: protecting the owners. He understands that once the season starts, 68 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: he does not want a story like this, a negative story, 69 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: dominating the news cycle. So it's a balance. It's easy 70 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to run to social media and say quadruple it. Then 71 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: it's in the news cycle for two years. You're not 72 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: running the league, So it's a balance more art than science. 73 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: My guess is he'll extend it three games, maybe six, 74 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: But if he is viewed as too heavy handed by 75 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the NFLPA, then they'll sue. And good doesn't want this 76 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: to be the lead story in a great NFL season 77 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: for the next four months. So I think Goodell here 78 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: comes in adds either three to six games, and then 79 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: we'll see how the NFLPA reacts. But they created this 80 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: years ago because they had been clumsy and light on 81 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: suspensions and harshly criticized. So Goodell, I think, has learned 82 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: his lesson and will add games to this well. He's 83 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: one of the leading sports columnists for a long time 84 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: in this country, thirty years. And even though I grew 85 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: up in a tiny fishing village three thousand miles away 86 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: in Westport, Washington, Dan Shaughnessy is one of those voices 87 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I read for years and years when it became available. 88 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: He's a sports columnist Boston Globe, enjoying another great Cape 89 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: cod summer. I imagine Nantucket Martha's Vineyard, best place in 90 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: the count in my opinion, to spend your summers. He's 91 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: got a book out, Wish it lasted forever. Life with 92 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: the Larry Bird Celtics. And we'll get to the Bill 93 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Russell passing in a second. Let's just start with the 94 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: obvious Deshaun Watson six game suspension. You know, the NFL 95 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Dan, they agreed to this 96 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: process because they had so clumsily handled suspensions and so 97 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: you get an independent arbiter. They come in, they rent 98 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: a decision, you can appeal it. It feels very very 99 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: light to me, And I think perception now Roger Goodell 100 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: has to, in my opinion, double it or I think 101 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: the NFL is going to get harshly criticize your thoughts. Yeah, 102 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: I thought I thought he was in for a year. 103 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: I thought that was going to be a year. I 104 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: was stunned and how light it was. And you know 105 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: here in New England who have been down the path 106 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: of Roger Goodell doing whatever he wants, So this might 107 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: be a time to him to bring down the ginger hammer, 108 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: as it were. So I don't know, but I don't 109 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: see that thing staying at six six feels too light 110 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: to me. Well, you know, and so much of this Listen, 111 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: everybody on social media simplify, is it? But the reality 112 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: is this is Sue Robinson's decision, not Roger Goodell's. And 113 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, perception for a commissioner. Me saw rob Manfred 114 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: get clobbered throughout the All Star Game for just slight 115 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: comments that feel off tone or you know, missing the mark, 116 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: not reading the temperature in the room. My feeling has 117 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: always been commissioners and bosses and executives don't get in 118 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: trouble Dan when they're overly punitive, right, And so to me, 119 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: if I was Roger Goodell, just to protect the league 120 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: and to protect the brand, I would triple it. And 121 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: if the NFLPA wants to sue, that would just make 122 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: more sense to me. I'm with you, what's the harm? 123 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: At least he looks strong at that point and probably 124 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: give America what it wants. And you know, it feels 125 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: like this is insulting to a lot of people, especially 126 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: the women of America. And you know, not all those 127 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: women were lying. No one's buying that, So it looks 128 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: light and given other things that have been done for 129 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: lesser transgressions, certainly, yeah, he looks better if he if 130 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: he goes with the hammer here, even if he can't 131 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: uphold it, which generally he can't. So Bill Russell I 132 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: grew up in Seattle, so Bill Russell was a sonic broadcaster, 133 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: was a big part of the Northwest. Retired in Mercer Island. 134 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: We knew his story very well as Boston and Seattle 135 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: probably knew Bill's story as well as anybody. Always dignified 136 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the words that came to my mind when I heard 137 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: of his passing. Dignified, defiant, uncompromising, strength, values, Racism obviously 138 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: what he dealt with. So let's go back to the 139 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: beginning of your career, when I imagine you dealt with 140 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: him more often. He was a fairly uncompromising guy. Now 141 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: that we know his life story, we understand that what 142 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: he was going through is just unimaginable today. How was 143 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: your relationship in the times you dealt with him? Well, 144 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in New England, I grew 145 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: up playing basketball. He was a god to us and 146 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: we were so lucky to have that kind of a 147 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: team here, all these Hall of famers who were securing 148 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: their own greatness, and it was great for teachers and 149 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: parents to have this role modeling of a team that 150 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, put team above self and they weren't about statistics. 151 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: They never had a scoring champ and they Russell would 152 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: block the shot and not swatted into the seats. He 153 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: would control the block and run the fast break and 154 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, match up with Will Chamberlain all the stuff. 155 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: They were a model team that we learned how to 156 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: play the game correctly, and it was great to have 157 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: a winning team in our midst because the Bruins, Patriots 158 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: and Red Sox weren't very good when I was a 159 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: young person. Come into this professionally as a sportswriter. Bill 160 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Russell's daunting. He doesn't suffer fools, he doesn't give any quarter. 161 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: He experienced racism here. He was right. I was a reader, 162 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: so I read Go Up the Glory. I read Second 163 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: Wind diary of an opinionated man with Taylor Branch and 164 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: Bill Russell had bothered me as a sportswriter that this 165 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: guy is not only a great athlete, he's a better 166 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: writer than we are. So we always hate that. But 167 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: he could do that too, because he was an intellect 168 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: and he was smart, and he could outsmart the opposition 169 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: and win that way professionally. Colin, we had him around. 170 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: You just didn't know which guy you were going to 171 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: get blows hot and cold, and there would be a 172 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,359 Speaker 1: force field around him and do not disturb Si metaphorically 173 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: hanging around his neck, and you didn't go there if 174 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: it was one of those times. There were occasions when 175 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: he was I don't know, trying to get into heaven, 176 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: or his daughter had gone to Harvard, was involved in 177 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: a mentoring program. He was very supportive of that. He 178 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: would come around and do favors for her with us, 179 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: which would give us access. He came to the Boston 180 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Globe Executive dining room one time and he was storytelling. 181 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: It was like we were like he would do with 182 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: his teammates because he was trying to help out his daughter. 183 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: So he tolerated us fools for this day. We could 184 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: ask him stuff. He was cackling telling stories. He told 185 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: me one was it every time they were playing at 186 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: the Lakers, the Archie Clark Lakers, and it's a regular 187 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: season game out there, and the Lakers have a two 188 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: point lead in the ball of ten seconds to go, 189 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: and there's a timehouse, so of course they know they're 190 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: going to inbound kill the clock. You'll have to follow 191 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: him whatever, And Russell says, no, no, I have a 192 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: better idea. Archie clocks in the game. He's a scorer. 193 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: I know what he'll do if I create a path 194 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: to the basket, He's going to go for two more points. 195 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: So they come out of the time out. Russell creates 196 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: a path to the basket, Archie Clock goes for the 197 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: easy layup. Russell comes up Chase down block, they get 198 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: the ball back, they score, and the Sellers beat them 199 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: in overtime. He took advantage of the mentality of the 200 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: other team. Knowing what the opposition was going to do. 201 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: He noticed things. This was always part of it. So 202 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: in the same day when he was being all nice 203 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: to us everything a regular guy, he apologized to me 204 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: for the dozens of times he hadn't returned my phone 205 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: calls or what. Everyone I was working on a book 206 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: brought out back because you know, Red was nice to me, 207 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: and Red would say, I can get Russell to do this. No, no, 208 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: if you get Russell to do anything, he was gonna 209 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: do what he's gonna do. I respected that. It was 210 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: nice to have these little moments with him, but it 211 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: was not a constant, Hey, let's let's go out and 212 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: shoot the breeze. That Bill Russell. You took any moment 213 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: you could get well. I think there are similarities between 214 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: him and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Uncompromising, often viewed as prickly, 215 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: but I don't think a guy like me has any 216 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: understanding of their day to day living and the obstacles 217 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: and you know, the racism they faced, and so it's 218 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: easy from afar to say he was difficult, but boy, 219 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: when you go back and look at history and what 220 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: he dealt with. Like I heard a story years ago 221 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: that people were doing like top big men of all time, 222 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: and Russell just wouldn't have it if he wasn't viewed 223 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: as the best center of all time, because to him, 224 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: winning was above everything else, then nothing mattered. And so 225 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: I do think there's an argument, like Wilt Chamberlain, who 226 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: we find now was fairly close friends with Russell. Wilt 227 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: was the statistical monster, but he was also a flake 228 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: and often totally compromised. Do you remember see I don't 229 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: as a kid, it's I missed the window. Do you 230 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: remember the Wilt Russell matchups? Absolutely? It was the greatest 231 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: one on one matchup we ever saw because of the 232 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: athleticism of the two guys, the identities of the two guys. 233 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Will Chamblin's averaging fifty points a game. The 234 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: only people that have ever had three consecutive MVP seasons 235 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: in the NBA are Wilt Chamblain, Bill Russell, and Larry Byrd. 236 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: No one else has done three in a row. Look 237 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: it up. It's a weird step. And of course the stats. 238 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: There were a lot of rebounds in the early part 239 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: of the sixties because there were a lot of misshots, 240 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and Will would get thirty in a game in rebounds. 241 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Wilt never comes out of a game. Will never files 242 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: out of a game. Russell would exploit these things. Go 243 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: back and look at the last time they played in 244 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: sixty nine. Wilt had the better team. Russell finished fourth, 245 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: and Will Scott, Jerry West and Algin Baylor. And Russell's 246 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: got Emmy Bryant. You know, he had havlicheck. But the 247 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: Lakers were supposed to win. It was Game seven in 248 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: the Forum and a fourth place Celtic team beat them 249 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: yet again. Wilt didn't want to file out, asked out 250 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: of the game, and Brettakoff wouldn't put him back in 251 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: the game. Wilt ends up sulking on the bench and 252 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: Russell wins another championship with an inferior team. That's how 253 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: it ended for the two of them. Wilt was a 254 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: great guy, easy guy for us, wanted to please Gregarius 255 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Russell wasn't that guy. But they would 256 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: get together and you know, Will's mother would make them 257 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: both dinner. When Russell would go to Philadelphia and all 258 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: the stuff, and they got along fabulously. But and just 259 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: look at the athletics as him of Will Chamblin. He's 260 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: like a Lebron James seven foot one and you know, 261 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: couldn't put it to the floor like that, but everything 262 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: else he was a crazy down there, the muscular and 263 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the speed and the power. And Russell was able to 264 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: neutralize that. Let Wilt have his thing, will win the championships. 265 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Go yard all summer long with five dollars Dinger Tuesdays 266 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: on FanDuel Sports Book this season, all customers, all of them. 267 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: We'll get five bucks for every home run hit by 268 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: both teams when you place a twenty five dollar to 269 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: hit a home run wager on Tuesday's Major League games. 270 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: Tuesday's games and the best part about Dinger Tuesdays, even 271 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: if your bet loses loses Fan Duel page you five 272 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: bucks for every home run. No better place in America 273 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: to bet America's pastime than America's number one sports book, 274 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. So head over right now to your Fan 275 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Duel account or download the FanDuel Sports Book app. Sign up. 276 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin to pick your home 277 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: run hitter that's Colin that gets to the deal. All 278 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: customers five dollars every home run hit by both teams 279 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: on Tuesday's Major League Baseball games twenty one plus some 280 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: present in Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, and Louisiana. Permitted parish 281 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: is only Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, Virginia or 282 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: West Virginia. First online real money wager only. Refund issued 283 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: as non withdrawal psyche credit that expires in fourteen days. 284 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Restrictions to plyce each at sportsbook dot fandel dot com. 285 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Gambling problem one hundred, next step or text next step 286 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: to five three three four two Arizona one eight eight 287 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit CCPG 288 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: dot org, slash chat, Connecticut one hundred gambler or visit 289 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: fandel dot com slash RG and Colorado, Indiana, Jersey, and 290 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Virginia one eight seven seven seven seven zero stop in 291 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: Louisiana one hundred two seven oh seven one one seven 292 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: for confidential health in Michigan one eight seven seven h 293 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: O p E n Y or text hope n Y 294 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: four six seven three six nine In New York, Tennessee 295 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: redline one hundred eight eight nine nine seven eight nine 296 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: tennessee visit one eight hundred gamble dot net in West Virginia. 297 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: You know, the Boston mount Rushmore is remarkable, Bill Russell, 298 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: Ted Williams, Tom Brady and Bobby Or I mean, Larry 299 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: Bird doesn't make them Mountain. No, isn't that remarkable? Nope, 300 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, you know, you can make a 301 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: case best in every sport. I mean, you know, I 302 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: think right is and Russell clearly is the best winner. 303 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: Ted could be the greatest hitter. Brady, you know, that's 304 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of hard to dispute. So it's really you know, 305 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: we're pretty proud of that. And Russell because of the 306 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: winning thirteen years eleven championships, he's really kind of a 307 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: little cut above the others. And Tom. Six super Bowls 308 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: is really hard to do in this era. We know that. 309 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: But one thing the old guys will tell you, A 310 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: smaller league, nine teams hard to do then too, because 311 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: there were good players on every team. You didn't have 312 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: these bums, these layups, thirty teams whatever. You know, it 313 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: was a concentration of ability. And look at some of 314 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: those teams with the Knicks and the Royals and the Lakers, 315 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: of course, and you know everybody was stacked nightly, Nate Thurman, 316 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: Willis Reid, will Chamberlain. You gotta go toe to toe 317 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: with a good guy every night, and Russell did it. Well. 318 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: That's why I fell in love with the NBA in 319 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: the seventies, and it's why I can still name the 320 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Sixers starting five and the Celtics starting five because everybody 321 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: was competent. There were no just rotational guys. You had 322 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: like five to six six guys. I mean, I don't 323 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: care if it's the Denver Nuggets and the fat Lever, 324 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: Isssell Alex English. You look at how good those teams 325 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: are and they struggled to win playoff series because to 326 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: your point, it wasn't as deluded as expansion has made 327 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: all sports. I mean, we have five or six teams 328 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: in baseball that are Triple A baseball teams, I mean, 329 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: and everybody in the world we need relegation column. So 330 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: let's pivot to the Patriots. I remember years ago I've 331 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: used this example Dan that Warren Buffett obviously knows a 332 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: lot more about investing than both of us. But investors, 333 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: even legendary investors, make mistakes. And I remember about twelve 334 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: years ago he went into newspapers, big investment newspapers, and 335 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, listen, I read them and I love them, 336 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be a columnist as a kid. 337 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: Founding a great investment. Craig's List killed the classifieds, the 338 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: urgency with telephones. They exist and they matter, and journalism 339 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: will always have a profound place. It's probably not the 340 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: best investment. And I say this because Bill Belichick, like 341 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: Warren Buffett, knows more football than you and I'll ever know, right, 342 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: But no coordinators. They have a recent history of poor 343 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: drafting of offensive skill people. So this was presented to 344 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: me Dan the other day, and I'll throw it at you. 345 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: Is that if you look at the last seven games 346 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: of New England's schedule this year, it is a gauntlet 347 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: of Pro Bowl quarterbacks seven straight weeks. Bill looks at 348 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: that and thinks, we've got to really take advantage of 349 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: the first ten games on this schedule. And by not 350 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: bringing in a coordinator, there is an element of surprise 351 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: in September and that now that we both kind of 352 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: go give me a break. But Bill is nothing if 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: not strategic. It's the only answer for me when people 354 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: ask why doesn't he have an offensive coordinator? That's the 355 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: only thing that's been presented to me that makes sense. 356 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: Do you have a better idea, No, there's the possibility 357 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: that there's some sort of pay structure thing where you 358 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: can pay guys less because you don't give him these titles. 359 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: They do think about these things. You wouldn't think they 360 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: would that they do. And more likely it's said Bill's 361 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: just stubborn and he's going to do things his way. 362 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: I think he did some of this with the Browns 363 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't work out really well twenty five thirty years ago, 364 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: and he's got two sons in the staff, and I 365 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: think there's an a design to keep the heat off 366 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: them a little bit. If you make Steven defensive coordinator 367 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: or play caller of anything like that, it's more likely 368 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: to come down on him. I think Bill's basically saying 369 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: I'll take the heat, you know, I'll do it, and 370 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: he will take the heat if they don't get out fast. 371 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Because this is being you know, Bill's doing the usual 372 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: of two answer to these questions like why would you 373 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: even ask that? When it's like everybody would ask that. 374 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: It's like, where are these guys, why aren't you listening 375 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: to him as coordinators? So he's holding onto it in 376 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: a very stubborn fashion, and you know, you point out 377 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: the gauntlet at the end. The first four games aren't 378 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: very easy for them either, So it's this, this has 379 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: potential and he's a little bit bulletproof because he's seventy 380 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: years old and he's trying to catch Shula. He's got 381 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: the resume. They did make the playoffs last year, but 382 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: we know buffaloes how to reach for them. It looks 383 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: like Miami might have all to passed him a little faster. 384 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: Now Miami beat him twice last year, So what's going on? 385 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: How's this going to go? If they don't get out fast? 386 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: Will Bob Kraft ever actually put heat on this Hall 387 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: of Fame coach he's got right in his yard here. 388 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: So it's very intriguing. But what they don't have is 389 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: a lot of really talented great players and we're not 390 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: seeing it. And you look at the depth charts around 391 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: the league and where they rank with any position on 392 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: the field, it's not good. Well, I read the Jeff 393 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: benedict Ian O'Connor Seth Wickersham books on the Patriots in Belichick. 394 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: All three correctly acknowledge that Brady and Craft were very tight, 395 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: but I did feel in all three books that Craft 396 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: often tolerates Bill's snarkiness, kind of obtuse, cranky nature, and 397 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: it's sounds, you know, counterintuitive to what you would think. 398 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: But I've seen coaches Andy Reid fall out of favor 399 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: after a three game losing stream and I look at 400 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Bill and I think this team goes in this division. 401 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Miami is better offensively, Buffalo is the class of the league. 402 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Jets are better offensively, and we have a very clear 403 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: pivot in this league to offense. The very good defensive 404 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: coaches Pete Carroll struggling, Mike Zimmer fired, Brian Flores, couldn't 405 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: get along with the quarterback Fangio. These are capable men, 406 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: And I think to myself, what if they don't make 407 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs? Dan, I know they're on the bubble of 408 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: that when it is going in, that's a that's a 409 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: legitimate question going in. And I'm kind of a fallback. 410 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: Bill is so superior to all the other coaches, and 411 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: I still believe that. And maybe maybe he's your guy 412 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: buying newspapers, you know, maybe he's still reading newspapers. Maybe 413 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: that's why I like him, because he's old school. But 414 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: the notion that you know, you're going to go at 415 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: it with linebackers who aren't that fast anymore, You're going 416 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: to still still play the ball like it was played 417 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties. You know, maybe that's not 418 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: working anymore. And in certain positions wide receiver that you've 419 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: never valued, you're going to have to value because the 420 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: league has changed while you're there, turning seventy years old, 421 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: winning all these games, chasing Schula. So it makes it 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: an intriguing plot line as we go in. How is 423 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: this going to play out? The notion of he's not 424 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: going to finish behind the Jets. That will never happen, right, 425 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean that would be even he would sink his 426 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: own boat if that happens. So I'm not saying you've 427 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: got to worry about that, But the rest of it's 428 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: very real. And I think that he's put all this, 429 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: He's put a big target on his back going in, 430 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: and I think he just feels that he's got the 431 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: resume and the gravitas to carry this. Yeah, So let's 432 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: move on to the Derek Jeter documentary. Which I grew 433 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: up thirty five hundred miles from that, but it all 434 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: lands for me, all of atlans And and maybe because 435 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: baseball is so rich in history and lore that looking 436 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: back is more fun than actually watching current games sometimes 437 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: because the pace of it so much better. I've always 438 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: sort of rolled my eyes at the Derek Jeter's overrated vibe. 439 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why because and it really hit 440 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 1: me when I went to a Yankee game and I 441 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: got there really really early, and I didn't get a 442 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: press pass. I want as a fan. I wanted to 443 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: experience old Yankee Stadium. And it's still remarkable to me 444 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: that there was no place to eat and watch the 445 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: game at the same time. You had to go get 446 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: food and then come back and watch it. Like every 447 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: stadium now you can have sushi down the third baseline right. 448 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: You had to literally leave the field if you if 449 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: it was a three and a half hour or four 450 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: hour game. So I'm watching it and as I got 451 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: there early, you could see the media around Jeter. The 452 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: media was still That's how early I got into the stadium. 453 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking in Kansas City, there's four there's four 454 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: riders outside of maybe Boston or Los Angeles, the daily 455 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: intensity to be a Yankee shortstop the pressure forget the 456 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: daily news, the New York Times. You're gonna have ESPN, 457 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna have Fox, You're gonna have Dan Shaughnessy come 458 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: into town. If the Red Sox are in town. It 459 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: was a It was a bee hive of activity around Jeter. Yet, 460 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: and this is very rare, or tease falls into this too, 461 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: is that Jeter was not only didn't dip in the 462 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: postseason like an a Rod or a Barry Bonds or 463 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: a Clayton Kershaw, he was often better in crisis. Or 464 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: tease falls into that shilling often was that I when 465 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: I hear the overrated thing, I just don't think people 466 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: understand he had an owner that literally was on him 467 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: because he went out as a single guy in New 468 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: York too often. Where did you land as a red 469 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: sock in Red Sock Nation? Viewing Jeter for all those years, well, 470 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: it was fun to watch from where our distance was 471 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: from afar, I mean just across the room, and y'all. 472 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: I'd always make a point to go over there and 473 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: just chat with him a little bit. He never said 474 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: anything particularly interesting, as we know, He was extremely guarded guy. 475 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: I understood that he weren't going to have him light 476 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: it up for you. But he was polite, he was 477 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: respectful of the other side. And we did the thing 478 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: with Nomar because you know, you had Abrod come in 479 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: a little bit later. But Nomar and Jeter, and look 480 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: at the career paths. Nomar was better. I mean for 481 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: those years. Nomar hit three seventy in the big leagues. 482 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know whether you know 483 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: he got too big or what happened or little injuries, whatever, 484 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: but it went away fast. Novar and old four Jeter 485 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: kept going and stare along three thousand hits, championships, etc. 486 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: So it changed. But in our town there was the 487 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: Nomar versus Jeter thing early on, so you had that 488 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: and Jeter. You know, Nomar wasn't he wasn't good with 489 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: the media. He just didn't like it. And Jeter wasn't 490 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: particularly interesting, but he was polite and cooperative, and he 491 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: knew how to play that game and the drill, and 492 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: he was legitimate captain leader. You go back to that 493 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: play against the Oaklands. No one's ever going to forget that. 494 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: We had the epic night in New York when Nomar 495 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't play in the game in OH four and Jeter 496 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: dives into the stands and breaks the space and comes 497 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: up and all that stuff happened. So it just and 498 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: again being at the World Series in two thousand and 499 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: one after the attacks, it's the home run mister November, 500 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, I saw it all and 501 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: it was really impressive. And his last his last regular 502 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: season game was in Boston as welly you got an 503 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: infield hits and knock in a run. He was just 504 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: one of those guys. It was. It was fun all 505 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: the way. I you know, I haven't gotten into the 506 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: dive of the of the program, the series you're talking about, 507 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: but it doesn't surprise me. And I hope, I hope 508 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: he can carry off all those parts, a lot of parts. 509 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: You know. It also felt like as I watched it, 510 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: it was the last heyday of baseball. Now it still 511 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: rings fascinating in October. But you had the well healed 512 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Red Sox, the you know, wallet is of no consequence Yankees. 513 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: As I watched the series, I thought, it feels like 514 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: NFL Sundays watching these games. It literally captured the nation's 515 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: attention over the National Football League, Dan, and I thought easily, 516 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't think baseball ever gives us 517 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that again being I don't, I don't feel that those 518 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: games in that documentary, I can remember it. It was 519 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: bigger than the National Football League in those moments. It 520 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: was the biblical sports story. That whole thing really was. 521 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I started, I wrote the Curse of the Bambino. 522 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: I had the whole eighty six years leading up to that. 523 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: What happened to No. Four? It was the only time 524 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: Boston and the fact that they did it at the 525 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: expense of the Yanks three h series lead in baseball. 526 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: That's never happened in one hundred and twenty years of 527 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: seven game series in baseball. It happened then with the 528 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: two teams, and that was the winter. Arod had been 529 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: a member of the Red Sox for a half hour. 530 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Then he ends up with the Yankees. You know, Jeter 531 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: won't move over, a Rod plays third, all the stuff, 532 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, shilling with the bloody sock or tease emerges, 533 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: says this cartoon character figure who can do all these things. 534 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: They were like sheffields on the other side. I mean, 535 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: people forget the greatness and the Hall of Famers and 536 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: the five hundred home run guys. They were just pepper, 537 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, Manny Ramirez. They were everywhere and it was 538 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: very real. And to go back and forth, I mean 539 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: the Red Sox, Grady Little get fired over that and No. Three. 540 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: That's how Francona comes to Boston, just for letting Pedro 541 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: go past one hundred and five pitches with a five 542 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: two leads and the eighth thinning and Yankee Stadium, Pedro saying, 543 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: the Yankees and my daddy, I mean, you cannot beat 544 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: the characters we had and the stories that went into that. 545 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: It just never stopped. And the three oh four, oh 546 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: five Red Sox Yankees as good as it gets, I mean, 547 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: don't even forget after they want to oh four. The 548 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: next year, the first pitch in the major league season 549 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: was Randy Johnson pitching. You're Johnny Damon and Yankee Stadium. 550 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: It was in a weapon's arms race. You just ratchet up, 551 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: get another great guy to come in and join this thing. 552 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: And it was a pleasure to have covered and to 553 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: have washed. And you're right if you get it by 554 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: and then you go back and see some of that 555 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: stuff and it's like Did this really happen? What a thing? Yeah, 556 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: Dan Shaughnessy wish it lasted forever. Life with the Larry 557 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: Bird Celtics, always a voice of reason on Bill Russell, 558 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: the Patriots, to Shaun Watson and the Derek Jeter documentary 559 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: and the Red Sock Yankee rival. It's summer. Go back 560 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: to your boat in Martha's vineyard or whenever. However, your 561 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: summer's in the most beautiful summer place. I'm taking my 562 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: family to Nantucket next summer. It's the only vacation I 563 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: ever took where my mom's passed. But it's the only 564 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: vacation I ever took. I went to Nantucket once and 565 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: she went. She was British. She goes, oh, how lovely. 566 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go to Amava's vineyard. And my 567 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: mom never cared for vacation, right. She liked to stay 568 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: at home on the coast of Washington. But it's it 569 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: really is you live. I tell people this. I was 570 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: lucky enough to spend a decade of my career in 571 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: the Northeast. I knew nothing about Boston or New York. 572 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Nantucket's my favorite place on earth. It's a good call. 573 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: You can go see Bill while you're there. If you're 574 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: there in the summertime, go go, You'll take you out 575 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: on the boat nine rings. Look at that. You gave 576 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: me an assignment. Dan, Thank you, thanks so much. Nice 577 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: talk to you guys. Take care of the volume. Make 578 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I brought 579 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: Draymond Green into the volume because one of the more 580 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: entertaining voices in sports. Unique perspective understands behind the rope. 581 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: Also chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, 582 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever 583 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, only on the Volume podcast Network.