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He suffered puncture 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: wounds to the head and chest. Surveillance video shows the 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: suspect dress and police swap gear, carrying a hammer. The 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: killer recorded on surveillance video roaming the halls of the 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: church with a distinctive gait. The family of murder victim 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Missy Beavers speaking out Missy's husband, Brandon Beavers, of pretty 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: much exhausted every scenario and every avenue that I can 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: think of of who could have done that? Police The 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: couple's marriage was in trouble reports of infidelity. Brandon Beaver's 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: is cooperating and has not been named a suspect. A 30 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: beautiful young mom, totally dedicated to her little girls and 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: her family, decides to start an exercise class, so gladiator 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: class that's for hardcore exercising, and she wanted to make 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: it for other moms and have to get their children 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: to school early in the morning like I do. So 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: in order to do that, I mean, I have to 36 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: get up at five o'clock every morning to get everything done. 37 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: She did too, except by five o'clock in the morning, 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: she was already at her exercise class, setting up for 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: an early early morning workout for all those busy moms. 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Missy Beavers, who was found bludgeon and 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: stabbed dead inside amid Lothian church as she was setting 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: up for her gladiator style aerobics class early one morning. 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: As where I grew up, as people say, in the 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. Who would commit a murder in this 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: very extremely rural part of Texas? The case unsolved, I 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: with us. To top it all off, so much of 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: it was caught on tape. Cheryl McCollum, there's a new 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: bombshell right now. But first, tell me about these video 50 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: surveillance that we have seen so many times of the 51 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: killer strolling around the church just before Missy was bludgeon 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: and stabbed dead. Nancy. This killer is walking around the church, 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: taking his time, opening doors, going in and out of 54 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Sunday school rooms, other places. Literally just taking a tour 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: of the church, I think a better way to put it. 56 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl was killing time, killing time. He's not taking anything. 57 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: He just sauntering around waiting for Missy Beavers to show up. 58 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: This was no robbery gone bad. This was a calculated, 59 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: premeditated murder. Cheryl. Nothing was taken, Nancy, nothing at all. 60 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a backpack with him, he doesn't have 61 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: any kinde of statuel to put belongings in. He's not 62 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: there to burglarize that church. He is laying in wait 63 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: for that victim to show up. And now a brand 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: new revelation out to Alan Duke joining me from l A. 65 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: What's the latest, Alan, I've been corresponding with Brandon Beaver's 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: the husband for some time now. We've shared that before, 67 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: but I've just got a new email from him. He 68 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: won't go on audio on tape, but he set this 69 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: message and it has some really interesting things in it, 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and our experts have been looking at. Would you like 71 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: for me to read the first few sentences tell me 72 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: the interesting points. He says that his quoting now that 73 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: children are not terribly fond of apprehending this person. They 74 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: don't want to revisit those emotions. They've told me this. 75 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: They see here the daily anxiety I have in finding 76 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: this person, and I think they're tired of the mentality 77 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: this puts on our day to day life. They want 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: normalcy and happiness. And at the end of that, he 79 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: says he's going to stop thinking about his wife's murder 80 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: or who killed her. Only he's going to think about 81 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: how she lived her life. And what she gave, you know, 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I hear what he's saying. But in my case, 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, I tried so hard to put Keith Smarter, 84 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: my fiancee's murder shortly before our wedding, out of my 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: mind because it was destroying me. Every day. I lost 86 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: down to eighty nine pounds, I dropped out of school. 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do anything, and I really it must have 88 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: been the grace of God that brought me back. And 89 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: it kills you from the inside, and so I understand 90 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: what this must be doing to those children. But I 91 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: was lucky enough that the prosecutor found the killer and 92 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: brought him to justice. I don't know that I could 93 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: let it go if it was unsolved, Cheryl Michael. And 94 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: as a parent, it's harder for you to go to trial, 95 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: or it's harder for you to know there's a killer 96 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: walking around that could be at your child ball field 97 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: or church or restaurant. Are you kidding me? There's no 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: way it would be debilitating for me to think that 99 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: a murderer is out there among my children more than 100 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: going to court. Alan, what else have you learned? He says, 101 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: and I'm quoting this email. I want justice, but I 102 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: too fear the reality of bringing this case person to 103 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: trial and the emotional uncertainty that may go with it. 104 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: So you have to ask yourself, do you bang your 105 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: head on the wall every day with this? Do you 106 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: allow the unsolved aspect of this to infiltrate your thoughts 107 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: put yourself in a foul state of mind every day 108 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: when you have three kids to focus on starting I'm 109 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: done allowing this uncertainty to control me. This way, I 110 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: will leave the headbanging and brain rot to investigators. To 111 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Dr Bryant Russell joining me, lawyer and psychologist, host of 112 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows series, Dr Brian explained to me 113 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: what's going through the mind of Missy Beaver's husband when 114 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: he says he's just not going to care about this anymore. 115 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: It's going to force himself not to try to figure 116 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: it out. Well, I think some people will listen to 117 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: this and say, oh, you know, this must be a 118 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: fatal Vows case, because you know, he seems like he's 119 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: not that interested in pursuing the killer. That's an O. J. 120 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Simpson kind of a thing. But you know, it calls 121 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: to mind something else. About the O. J. Simpson case, 122 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: which is that the children of somebody who is a 123 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: surviving parent in this case, do uh, you know, as 124 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: we saw with OJ's kids, they have an affinity for 125 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: their parent, and in O J's case, I believe the 126 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: parent was guilty, but this guy made be totally innocent, 127 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: and the kids are seeing that he is being absolutely 128 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: pilloried by many people on social media. And from what 129 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: I can tell, it's just strictly because they've heard, probably 130 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: from watching shows like mine and listening to shows like this, 131 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: that statistically, when these things happen, the spouses is the 132 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: most likely person to be the perpetrator, and so that 133 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: and of course they want justice for their mother. I 134 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: would think these children do, But they also probably have 135 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: some fatigue from seeing their father, who they want desperately 136 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: to believe is innocent and may very well be innocent, 137 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: be beaten up day after day after day on social media. 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: And so it doesn't really surprise me that much. In 139 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: other words, I think what he's saying maybe true that 140 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: the kids are at a point where, you know, if 141 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: this is going to drag on and on and on, 142 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: and law enforcement is going to go on indefinitely without 143 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: a firm suspect, you know, getting it past them and 144 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: moving on with their dad as a family may have 145 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: taken priority over getting the things solved and tried and 146 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: somebody convicted. Right now, we are learning that, just in 147 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: the last week's the husband, Brandon Beavers, is stating that 148 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: he is convinced the killer that murdered his wife one 149 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: early morning at a Midlothian church does not no, did 150 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: not know his wife. Now, Sheryl McCollum, cold case investigator, 151 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: you're the expert. You're the director of the Cold Case Institute. 152 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I feel for Brandon Beaver's children so much, but I 153 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: just do not believe the killer did not know Missy Beavers. 154 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: The killer is waiting and this church out in the 155 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: middle of a rural air you at what three thirty 156 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: in the morning. No, doesn't steal anything. Manages to approach 157 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and leave the Middle Lothian church without a vehicle being 158 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: spotted by any surveillance video, clearly having to park some 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: distance away and walk sneak up to the church. No bag, 160 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: no suitcase, nothing to steal anything. She was targeted And 161 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Brandon is saying she was not targeted. 162 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what he wants to believe, that no friend 163 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: or relative would have done this thing to her. I'm 164 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: not saying it was a friend of relative, but it 165 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: was somebody that knew Missy Beavers. I can tell you 166 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: that much, CHERRYL. McCollum. A lot of planning went into 167 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: this Nancy, from the outfit, traveling to and from wherever 168 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: he lives, to the church, staying in the church thirty 169 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: minutes before she arrived. Absolutely, there's there's no evidence of burglary. 170 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: There's no evidence of sexual assault that leads us with revenge. 171 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: She was targeted, that person was laying in wait for her. 172 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: And you know, again, a lot of what Alan was 173 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: saying earlier concerns me. The way he phrases things is 174 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: a little unusual to me, Like when he says, starting 175 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, I'm not going to allow the uncertainty 176 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: to control me. I believe the head banging and brain 177 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: rot to the investigators. Well, we're not at two thousand 178 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: and eighteen yet, so I don't know what he's doing 179 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: between now and then. And the other thing that worries 180 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: me is when he says trust me, when I say 181 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: they are qualified me and the police. They're qualified what 182 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: to bang their head and rock their brains. I feel 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: very much from Mrs Family, very much. I'm crying vick 184 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: to myself. However, I don't consider finding the killer to 185 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: be brain rock or he and banging. However, to his defense, Cheryl, 186 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: to allow it to totally consume you like I did 187 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: after Keith's murder, I mean to do You can't do 188 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: that with when you have children, because they deserve a 189 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: happy mom. They deserve an upbeat, energetic mom. They don't 190 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: deserve a depressed mom spiraling downward because of evil in 191 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: in this world or cruelty or heinous crime. Um that 192 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: that's not what I want for them. And when I 193 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: find myself getting into that place, Cheryl, I mean, you 194 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: know you met me when I was a brandy prosecutor, 195 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: and that's I lived, breathed a drink, putting one guy 196 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: after the next guy, for the next guy, for the 197 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: next guy behind bars because trying to fix what happened 198 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: to Keith, I think, absolutely no question. But listen to me. 199 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: He says things like I wish the whack jobs social 200 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: media stuff would go to hell. He doesn't say he 201 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: wishes the killer would go to hell. He says, I 202 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: forgive the killer, and I wanted to know that what 203 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: his anger things played. You're piste off at Facebook. You 204 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: want Facebook to go to hell because they're calling you 205 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: out that maybe one day your kids may you know, 206 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: peer into this window that somebody thought you had something 207 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: to do with it. He should be the first one 208 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: seeking revenge on this person, the first one that every 209 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: day is demanding justice, real justice, which means you go 210 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: to prison. You don't have the right to walk the Thames. 211 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, this is Texas and it's laying in Wait, 212 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: that's the death penalty case. Dr Brian Russell. I'm a 213 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, I'm a crime victim. Sheryl mccollins that direct 214 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: from the Cold Case Institute, you're the shrink and host 215 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: of investigation discover these fatal vows plays analyze for us. 216 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: I'd say I don't ever judge at margat victim which 217 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: would be her fant Mimsy's family and what they're saying 218 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: because they're out of their minds with grief. But I 219 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: hear what Cheryl McCollum is pointing out way in Dr 220 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, I think we may be connecting some dots 221 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: here that don't necessarily connect. I can understand what Cheryl 222 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: is saying, but but I can also see explanations for 223 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: these words that we're hearing from the husband that that 224 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: would be benign. And so I personally don't jump to 225 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: any conclusion based on the words that we're discussing here 226 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: this morning. And I look at the manner of death. 227 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: You look at how Missy died. That was a bludgeoning, 228 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: and you know that is usually indicative of one of 229 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: two things. Somebody who wanted to have up close and 230 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: personal contact with the victim during the crime, or somebody 231 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: who was surprised by the victim and grabbed whatever was 232 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: handy to uh to kill the victim. And so, you know, 233 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: I think that you're probably right. It's it's more probable 234 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: that it was somebody who had it in for this 235 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: woman and wanted to be up close and personal. But 236 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: I also think there's some percentage, maybe single digits, maybe 237 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: a little bit higher percent chance that it was somebody 238 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: who maybe wasn't that church with something else or someone 239 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: else in mind, and she came in there to teach 240 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: that class, and the person grabbed what was handy killed her, 241 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: and and took off without having accomplished whatever else it 242 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: was they were in the church to do well. Could 243 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: it be that all the loving memories he had and 244 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: I know they had marital discord. I know in the 245 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: search warrant police said that one of them or somebody 246 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: in the marriage was having an affair. Um. I know 247 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: there were issues. There are issues in every marriage, but 248 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: they're also loving memories. There's love at some point, and 249 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: there are children in his mind. I wonder if in 250 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: Brandon's mind that all the love is being drowned out 251 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: by all the vitriol on social media. You know, Cheryl McCollum, 252 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: I never would, as you know, talk about case murder. 253 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: I kept it a secret the whole time I prosecuted. 254 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: Hardly anybody knew because I did not want defense attorneys 255 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: trying to use it against me in any way at 256 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: a trial. Okay, so I had to keep it a 257 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: very closely guarded secret. Very few people knew that I 258 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: was a tangential victim of murder when I was a prosecutor. 259 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever spoke about it publicly. 260 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: It was on Larry King and I, as you know 261 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: from us being friends, way way way back when in court. 262 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: There are chunks of time before and after keith murder 263 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: that I just cannot remember much less uh much of 264 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: the funeral and the trial. I remember very little of it. 265 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: When Larry asked me when it happened, I actually I 266 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: had the day right, August six, and got the year 267 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: wrong because I totally could not remember at that moment. Then, 268 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: of course online went wild, claiming all sorts of wild, 269 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: crazy stories that Keith wasn't murdered, that Keith didn't exist, 270 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: that this and that, and I it really, it hurt 271 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: me so badly I quit reading it. I hardly ever 272 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: to this day read comments. I want to hear healthy criticism. 273 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: Maybe I can do better. I'm sure I can't, but 274 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: I get what he's saying. Sheryl mccollumn. If you but 275 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: if you don't like it, don't read it. Sure, and Nancy, listen, 276 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to misunderstand where I'm coming from 277 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: as a crime's investigator, as somebody who's gonna analyze statements. 278 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: When you send a statement that says, quote, there is 279 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: no value in discussing events that led up to her murder, 280 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: or to speculate if she was targeted in Why I 281 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: gotta raise the flag on that, Nancy, Because well, I 282 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: agree with you, and the police need to be doing that. 283 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: If it's destroying him and his family, he needs to 284 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: just bow out of it and leave the police to 285 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: do their work. But to say I'm done with this, 286 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm washing my hands, may not be the best way, 287 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: the best phraseology. I hear you. I want to pause 288 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: and thank our partners making today's program possible. One eight 289 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: hundred dentist. If you're like everybody else, you are really 290 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: over indulging over the holiday with sugar retreats, you need 291 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: to call an awesome dentist and schedule an appointment with 292 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: one eight hundred dentists. The specialists that one eight hundred 293 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: dentists actually match you with a local dentist that suits 294 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: what you need. 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In addition to 314 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: the person being there god knows what time and had 315 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: to be three o'clock in the morning to get her, 316 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: because I think she got there at like four and 317 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: this person had been there for a while. Not only 318 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: did they approach the structure or the Midlothian Church completely, 319 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: I detected on surveillance video. No car was seen, no 320 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: cell phone to my knowledge was alerted or paying at 321 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: that area at that time. But they were decked out. 322 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: They were dressed up in gray and costume to disguise 323 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: their identity. And when you go to that level, that 324 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: is premeditated. Somebody didn't put on this fake police swat 325 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: gear with the black motorcycle helmet that covered their face 326 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: and stormtrooper shoes. This is not a real swat outfit, 327 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: but as somebody dressed up in a swat outfit that 328 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: says police on the back, specifically to go into this 329 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: church at three a m. On the day she was 330 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: teaching there. Okay, that's a lot of prep work to 331 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: get to get decked out in this get up, Cheryl McCollum, 332 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: No question, Nancy, and I think it was part of 333 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: how they were going to get over on her. This 334 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: woman was in shape, this woman was strong. They couldn't 335 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: approach her distressed as a police officer because it would 336 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: show their identity. But swat obviously they were shielded somewhat, 337 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: but they still looked like an authority figure, so that 338 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: might give them just second they would need to strike 339 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: her the first time to desabilitate her. So I think 340 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: it was again part of their overall playing, part of 341 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: their overall crime. All investigators continue to receive tips about 342 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: missys murder. They still have not established a motive. They said, 343 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: say that they still don't know whether the killer was 344 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: a male or female. Now they are basing the female 345 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: possibility on the the the way the person walks, and 346 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: the probable height of the killer. What about it, Cheryl McCullum, 347 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Male or female? You know, it is a little difficult, 348 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: but I would have to go with males. Um. I 349 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: think the type of crime. I think the way that 350 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: they opened the barn door, you know, the way they're 351 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: going after those handles, the way they're breaking the glass, 352 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: it just looks like a male to me. I mean, 353 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: it's so typically male a male crime. Um. If it 354 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: were a female, I would have I would think that 355 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: a gun would have been used. But it clearly is 356 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: someone that knew she was going to be there at 357 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: that time and laid in wait. So way in Sheryl McCollum, 358 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: targeted or no no question, targeted, revengeful, planned, organized. This 359 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: killer not only knew her nancy, but remember it was 360 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: raining that day. Normally she had her exercise clash outside, 361 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: so she posted the night before that hey y'all it's 362 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: gonna be raining. We're still training, it'll be inside. So 363 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: this was planned but organized very quickly. But they moved. 364 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: They were waiting older, no question about it, you know. 365 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, Lawyer, Psychologists of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows Series. 366 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: What do you make of this person decked out in 367 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: fake police swat gear? What does that mean as it 368 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: relates to the murder? Well, the fact that the person 369 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: went to such great lengths to make themselves very difficult 370 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: to identify suggest to me that they may have been 371 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: familiar with this setting, and they may have known that 372 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: there were surveillance cameras around and that they would have 373 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: to be very well covered to avoid being identified on 374 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: those cameras. One of the things that, as you know, 375 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: I like to do in these kinds of cases is 376 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: to see if there's any way that we can extract 377 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: lessons for the living to help them to reduce the 378 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: likelihood of their own becoming victims. And it's it's not ever, 379 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: at least in my view, it's never a matter of 380 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: victim blaming. It's just a matter of pointing certain things 381 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: out that may actually extract some good from a tragedy. 382 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: And one of the things I can tell you take 383 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: it from me as a co host of Fatal Vows, 384 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: which is about you know, spouses who have ended up 385 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: being murdered for various reasons when somebody is involved in 386 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: an extramarital activity. And I don't know for sure that 387 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: this woman was, but there's that suggestion you actually create 388 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: multiple risks to yourselves. I mean, this is reason number 389 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: five hundred to not ever get involved in anything like that, 390 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, You've got your spouse 391 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: now who is potentially upset enough with you to do 392 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: something to you. You've got the fair partner if and 393 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: when you decide to break it off, who may be 394 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: upset with you. You've got the fair partners spouse or 395 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: other significant other who may be upset with you for 396 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: being a wrecker of that marriage or home relationship. And 397 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: so you know, it is a very dangerous thing in 398 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: many ways, uh financially, emotionally, and physically to get involved 399 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: in anything extramarital. And again I'm not saying this woman was. 400 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to extract a lesson for our listeners, 401 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: Ellen d joining me from l A. There's a lot 402 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: to analyze regarding a little strip mall very near the 403 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: mid Lothian Church. Here we are, early in the morning, 404 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: rainy day in Texas. There's the surveillance video of a 405 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: car pulling into a gun store parking lot across the 406 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: street and down this divided highway just a little bit. 407 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Isn't a Nissan Ultima? Yes it was, Yes, Yes, there 408 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: are seventeen security cameras at this the shop that captured 409 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: the car pulling in and driving around the parking lot 410 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: and parking for several minutes and then pulling away. Now, 411 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: I've made a lot of that. I've made a lot 412 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: of that because it's very difficult for me to believe 413 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: Alan that the two are not connected. But they could 414 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: be not connected. It's just hard for me to believe. 415 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: That's small of a population. You've got a car. That's 416 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: what did we figure out? X hundred feet yards from 417 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: the church as the crow flies very close if you 418 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: go the back. I've studied that aerial view so many times. 419 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: If you go to the back of the gun shop 420 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: and you walk from there through these trees, is densely 421 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: wooded area. You're in Middle Lothian church parking lot in 422 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: less than five minutes, right, So about an hour and 423 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: a half after we see this car. That's when we 424 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: see some other surveillance video. This is from an inside 425 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: the church. How long after we see the car about 426 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: an hour and a half, it's really not that long, 427 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: but it was approximately four twenty in the morning when 428 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: miss he goes into the church to set up her 429 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: camp gladiator fitness class and her he's or she, we 430 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: don't even know what the sex is appears in the 431 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 1: video inside the church, caught by several cameras wearing the 432 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: swat Light police uniform sort of a configuration of different pieces, 433 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: and a helmet. You can't see the person's face. You 434 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: can't even tell if it's a male or a female, 435 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: but you see a distinctive walk. But nuts I would 436 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: wear a helmet. It's um like a motorcycle helmet. As 437 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: Alan is saying, covered in tactical gear, all black. It 438 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: looks like to me black tennis shoes, solid black tennis shoes, 439 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: and carrying a hammer, and carrying a hammer which they 440 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: could have found within the church. There's controversy over whether 441 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: that hammer came from inside the church or not. Yeah, 442 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: the several minutes of video that the police have released 443 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: from inside the church, it's very chilling video that shows 444 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: this person wandering around the hallways of the church, checking, 445 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: appearing to check doors and that kind of thing. When 446 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: I say appearing, I'm wondering if this person is kind 447 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: of putting on an act and pretending likes Alan stopped wondering. 448 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I can't tell you a lot, 449 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: but I can tell you that I've watched it over 450 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: and over. I mean it's like the person is wandering 451 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: up down the halls and they get to a door 452 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: and they go rattle, rattle, and keep walking and they 453 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: never take anything. I mean, for Pete's sake, if you 454 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: want money, go into the sanctuary. I hate to even 455 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: say this, but I was gonna say, steal this crucifix, 456 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean, still something made of gold, try to find 457 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the electronic equipment. They didn't do any of that nothing. 458 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: If they wanted money, then use that hammer and bash 459 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: open the door, knob to the office US and look 460 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: for money. For Pete's sake. Well, it was very obvious 461 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: these people weren't there to rob. But you just said 462 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: you didn't know if they were really you're not, I 463 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: can tell you they're not there. To my point was, 464 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: we don't know. It appears to me that they're acting 465 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: as if they weren't familiar with the area as soon 466 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: as she walks into the door, from what we're told 467 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: by investigators, and they're not telling us a lot off camera, 468 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: or at least a camera they're not releasing this killer 469 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: used that hammer to beat Missy Beavers to death, puncturing 470 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: her chest and just brutally killing her right there in 471 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: the hallway. The crazy thing is, we've got all this video, 472 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: and my guess is there's a lot of video that 473 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: you and I are not seeing because the police have 474 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: not released it and there's been tons of search warrants. 475 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: There was a search warrant for the dry cleaner when 476 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: the father nick taking a bloody shirt, and he was 477 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 1: very open at the time. He went at this is 478 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: from my dog's got into a dog fight in the kitchen, 479 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: and there was linked in. There were cell phone tower searches, 480 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: a T and T facebooks. I'm just still wondering about 481 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: back to that car. I mean, NASA can pick up 482 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: a picture of a rock on the moon, a rock 483 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: you hold in your hand. Why can't they get the 484 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: tag number of that? Or have they? That is another 485 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: baffling thing. And let me tell you what's been going on. 486 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: There's someone I've been in communication with. They asked me 487 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: not to name them. But this is just a civilian. 488 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: This is just a citizen who is really getting into this. 489 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: And this person has blown up every single frame of 490 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: that parking lot video, and about every day I can 491 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: get another one sent to me. What do you think 492 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: of this? They're trying to see what's in the INTERNI 493 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: no tell me. I want to know what they're sending you, 494 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: but I want to see it. One of the more 495 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: interesting things, and you and I have talked about this before, 496 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: is the license plate. You just mentioned the license plate 497 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: on this car. This ultimate if you blow it up 498 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: and look frame by frame on the video. The full 499 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: video has been posted online by the owner manager of 500 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: the gun shop, not by police, and we looked at 501 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: it closely. But if you blow it up, the suspicion 502 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: here is that that video has been altered to blur 503 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: out the license plate. I mean, I look at these 504 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: frames and everything is clearer except you look and as 505 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: you follow the car it does look like maybe somebody 506 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: has digitally blurred the license plate. Cheryl McCullum, what do 507 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: you make of the car that was spotted in the 508 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: parking lot there, very very early in the morning that 509 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: the morning that Missy was murdered. Well, Nantha, we do 510 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: want to find the driver of that car. Maybe they 511 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: saw something, maybe they're aware of something. But regarding the 512 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: license plate, a lot of times when a car either 513 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: has reversed light come on the come home, because the 514 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: license plate is reflective on camera, the plate just goes white, 515 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: it becomes very bright, so it's almost impossible to read 516 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: the letters and numbers because of that. So that maybe 517 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: one reason they can't extract who that license light belonged to. 518 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: Aland what can you tell me about a group of 519 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: experts convening in Austin. The Mid Lothian, Texas Police Department 520 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: doesn't handle a lot of these cases, as you can imagine, 521 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: small town, So they took all of their evidence down 522 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: to the state capital in Austin, and they assembled a 523 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: panel of experts and Cheryl's probably been involved in these 524 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of things before, and reviewed for several days all 525 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: of the evidence. And this was several months ago trying 526 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: to get this thing restarted. But as the police chief 527 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: tells us, it's still an open, active investigation. 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It is chilling 604 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: to realize that Missy Beaver's killer is still on the loose. 605 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: This person is likely watching, reading, and listening to everything 606 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: said about the investigation. There is real fear that this 607 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: cold blooded killer could strike again. Because of this, Missy's husband, 608 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: Brandon Beavers, has chosen not to do media interviews. However, 609 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: he has been corresponding with us, and you can read 610 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: his full statement to Crime Stories on Nancy Grace's website 611 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com. Investigators are also keeping quiet about 612 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: their work. While we know some of what they're doing, 613 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: we've been asked to keep much of it confidential. Middle 614 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: Othian Assistant Police Chief Kevin Johnson did agree to talk 615 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: to us on the record a few months ago on 616 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: the one year and versary of Missy Beaver's murder. Well, 617 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: it continues to be an open and active investigation. Obviously 618 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: the tips have slowed, UM, but we continue to work 619 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: through every bit of information we have. We have a 620 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: full time investigators signed to this, as well as continuing 621 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: our collaboration with our other investigative partners, particularly the FBI. 622 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: Your department and you have been pretty quiet about this 623 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: over the last several months. Should we interpret that to 624 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: mean anything, you know? I think what you have to 625 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: realize is our you know, our investigative strategy and our 626 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: our media response or two separate things. Um. We decided 627 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: early on that that that the investigation would come first, UM, 628 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: and I think we've stuck to that. When there hasn't 629 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: been anything to say, we haven't gone out there before 630 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: the media just just for the sake of doing so. 631 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: UM that to some people means that, um, you know, 632 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: nothing is new, or I think some people have mistakenly 633 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: assumed that that that we're not working on this case, 634 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: and that's that's far from true. Um. Like I said, obviously, 635 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: the tips have slowed down since the early months of 636 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: the investigation. UM. And when we've had the time, we've 637 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: gone back over information, conducted follow up and repeat interviews. 638 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: UM got fresh eyes to look at the case. Nobody 639 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: here has forgotten about the case. That's certainly not the situation. 640 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that in a small 641 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: town and what you've got about twenty citizens in Midlothian, 642 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to deal with an investigation and 643 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: the media as opposed to a big city where not 644 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: everybody's everybody's neighbor and everybody knows everybody. Is that safe 645 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: to say? Yeah, that's probably an accurate statement, because when 646 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: when there's a news report or speculation, let's just say speculation, 647 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: it it can make things uncomfortable and more difficult for investigators. 648 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: It can, it can and again, UM, you know, we 649 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: just didn't want attention for attention sake or media for 650 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: media's sake. And I know that's been frustrate it into 651 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: some people. But but we've been very judicious with the 652 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: information that has been released, and there's there's a lot 653 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: of information that that hasn't been discussed and that we 654 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: haven't responded to because we don't want to. We just 655 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: we want to protect the integrity this investigation. Um. There 656 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: are some people who think that that makes us less transparent, 657 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: and then that because it's been a year, we should 658 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: just open the books for for the whole world to see. 659 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: And clearly that's not a reasonable approach to any kind 660 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: of police work. More especially an investigation is important as this. 661 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: Is there something the public can help with? I know 662 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: that not long after this murder you put out some 663 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: video and you put out the image that car of 664 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: interest for example at the gun shop. Is there anything 665 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: that people can look for or anything specifically you would 666 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: like the public to be aware of. No, not that 667 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: we haven't already said. I do want to encourage people 668 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: if they have information that for whatever reason they haven't shared, 669 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't think it was important enough. Um, you 670 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: never know what what tip may be helpful in this case? Um, 671 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: And when we combine that with information we already know, 672 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: it could it could, it could be productive. So if 673 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 1: there's anybody who hasn't come forward that that has something 674 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: to say, we certainly would encourage them to do that. 675 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: Are you still wanting people to keep an eye out 676 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: and for the potential car of interest that Nissan ultimately 677 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: that you tweeted about. Is that still a thing that 678 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: you would like people to be aware of. Absolutely, that's 679 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: still a component of this investigation. That's an unknown and 680 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: and certainly we yeah, we would, We would definitely love 681 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: to locate that car and that driver. I know there 682 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: are people who look very closely at those images and 683 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: try to figure out what they can from that. Sure, 684 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: So it's an active investigation. You have detectives working on 685 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: it regularly, and Missy has not forgotten. I think that's 686 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: the message today. Absolutely. Um. Again, you know you have 687 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: to be careful drawn conclusions from you know, a lack 688 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: of us, you know, being out on the front steps 689 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: holding conferences when we don't have information that needs to 690 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: be shared. And I think the lay person believes, hey, 691 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: the more information the better, because you just never know 692 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: what will happen, and that that may sound good until 693 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: you realize, you know, someday we're gonna be sitting in 694 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: an interview room as this killer and and anybody with 695 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: a computer who's going to know every detail about this 696 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: this crime um, and that's not a good position to 697 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: be in as a as a police officer um or 698 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: or the prosecutor of the case later on. So obviously 699 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: we're going to treat this this investigation very carefully and 700 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: um and again be be judicious with the release of information. 701 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you do have to have 702 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: the perspective that someday this will be in the history 703 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: books in in a way and people will look back 704 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: and then they're going to find things to question and criticize. 705 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: So you have to make sure every step you take 706 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: is the proper one. Absolutely, And listen, I'll say this. 707 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, when this investigation does draw to a close, 708 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: we will open the books and I would just ask 709 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: people to reserve their their criticism for that day. And 710 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: if we find then that there were mistakes we made, 711 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: then then by all means, let's discuss it. Give us 712 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity to explain it, give us you know we'll 713 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: all learn from it. We have probably made a mistake 714 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: or mistakes that we don't yet know what those mistakes are. 715 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: But we certainly we certainly are are we think our 716 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: investigation is defensible. We we we are, We think our 717 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: effort is is the best that this case could have. 718 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: And so again, one day the books will be open 719 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: and and and everybody can can um you know, make 720 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: their opinion. Then I don't think it's fair now before 721 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: all the information is known, to draw conclusions about the 722 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: investigation or what should or shouldn't have been done. Everybody 723 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: working on this case is dedicated to findingjustice for Missy 724 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: and and that's that's our guiding principle when we make 725 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: a decision about the release of information or an interview 726 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: or a press conference, again, the investigation and what we 727 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: do with the media or two different things. I think 728 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: the public's interest in this case, in particular in our 729 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: community is obviously just a reflection of of of how 730 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: concerned they are about this case and how they are 731 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: how concerned they are about our efforts. And I get that, 732 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: but you know, the speculation, you know, and it goes 733 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: with the business for us, the criticism and in the speculation. 734 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: But goodness, you know, we're talking about human being here 735 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: with a husband, mother, father, three beautiful girls. Um, you know, 736 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: it's it's not just the subject of of public interest. 737 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's a person, it's a member 738 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: of our community. And in some of the some of 739 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: the reason why we and others I believe perhaps the 740 00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: family have been pretty calculated is because you know, there's 741 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: such a critical analysis of word choice and order and state, 742 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, to the extent that I think some people 743 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: feel like they can't answer a question correctly because it 744 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: will be it will be picked apart in social media 745 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,879 Speaker 1: and it will lead to to more insinuation or speculation 746 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: or assumptions, you know. And certainly we wouldn't let that 747 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 1: prevent us from from putting information out there that needed 748 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: to put out and be put out there. But it's 749 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting challenge, it's a it's a 750 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: frustration I think of as the policing field adapts to you, 751 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: if you want to call it the social media age, 752 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, we've we've got to learn how how best 753 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: to capitalize on that. Missy Beavers murdered in the Middle 754 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,280 Speaker 1: Lothian church for children, her three girls facing life without mommy. 755 00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: We want justice, Cheryl McCollum, Dr Brian Russell from Investigation Discovery, 756 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: Alan Deck, thank you Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off 757 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: goodbye friend, h