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Speaker 3: Robin Kelly, the congresswoman.

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Speaker 2: to distill everything that we heard over the last four

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Speaker 2: nights in Chicago, an historic turn in a presidential campaign

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Speaker 2: that came to fruition monight with the actual President, Joe

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Speaker 3: Let's walk you through the week.

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Speaker 4: I spend the honor in my lifetime the server as

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Speaker 4: your president.

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Speaker 3: I love the job, but I love my country more.

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Speaker 5: We refused to give up on America.

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Speaker 4: Millions marched, many ran per office.

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Speaker 6: We kept our eyes on the future.

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Speaker 4: Well, my friends, the future is hair.

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Speaker 7: Here's a seventy eight year old billionaire who has not

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Speaker 7: stopped whining about his problems since he wrote down his

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna tell him.

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Speaker 4: Who's gonna tell him that the job he's currently seeking

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Speaker 4: anything else, let us choose freedom, hi, because that's the

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Speaker 3: Come all are that's the fourth quarter. We're down a

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Speaker 8: I accept your nomination to be President of the United

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Speaker 2: There you have it, as we brought you the sites

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Speaker 2: their thoughts coming off of last night and looking ahead. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'll start with you. Coming off of a big night

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Speaker 9: Around Kamala Harris and Tim Walls and say, you know

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Speaker 7: I thought that was a very powerful moment as well.

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Speaker 2: That was a late night, Anne, Marie, you were on

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Speaker 6: Well, a tremendous amount of energy has been reinfused into

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Speaker 6: Marcus a Wolf Research put it this way this morning.

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Speaker 7: How long does that last?

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Speaker 6: That's a key question.

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Speaker 2: a campaign and a convention, couple of campaigns, and Marie,

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Speaker 2: But she's going to have to get more specific by

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Speaker 6: And one of the key things I took out of

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Speaker 2: There were see how that plays out in seventy five days. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we were there listening Anne Marie. It's great to see

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Speaker 2: We've made our way back to the capital from Chicago,

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Speaker 8: Let's listen, and as president, I will bring together labor

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Speaker 10: I mean, Joe, I think you're absolutely right on about this.

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Speaker 10: It's part of his brand and how he behaves, and

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Speaker 10: that's the kind of thing that really is going to

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Speaker 10: be the deciding factor when it comes to election day

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Speaker 10: in this very very narrow fight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have your eyes on

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior any longer, but there is news today that

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Speaker 2: he may be about to drop out of the race.

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Speaker 2: In fact, this could happen about a half an hour

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Speaker 2: from now. Last night, RFKA Junior withdrew from the ballot

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Speaker 2: in Arizona. Now reports were already out there saying that

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Speaker 2: he might cut a deal to endorse Donald Trump, maybe

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Speaker 2: get a job in a Trump administration in return. But

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump also has a campaign stop today in Arizona

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Speaker 2: where they are promoting a quote special guest. You know,

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Speaker 2: the question everyone asks here, Brad is where are those

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Speaker 2: votes going? There may not be a lot of them,

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Speaker 2: but what would happen if RFK left this race?

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Speaker 3: What would be the impact.

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Speaker 9: Well, let's be clear, a lot of the consolidation behind

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Speaker 9: Kamala Harris's numbers were the folks that were disenfranchised with

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Speaker 9: Joe Biden, either because of his age or issue on

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Speaker 9: you know, Israel. The minute that Kamala became a nominee,

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Speaker 9: you saw RFK Junior's numbers plummet and they all went

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Speaker 9: to Kamla. There wasn't a rush of Trump supporters to Kamala.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: We haven't seen that in the polling yet, though I

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Speaker 9: think that's a possibility. What we did see was all

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Speaker 9: the third party minded kind of what we call a

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Speaker 9: double hater procrastinator group that didn't like you. They all

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Speaker 9: went to Kamala and so that's why you saw big

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Speaker 9: rise in her numbers. The RFK Junior folks that are

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Speaker 9: left are probably a little more further to the right

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Speaker 9: than Donald Trump is are more certainly more libertarian and

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Speaker 9: Donald trum As I think a little more conspiracy.

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Speaker 7: German, and I think they're going to go home to Donald.

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Speaker 9: Trump's I think I think Joe Biden getting out surged

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Speaker 9: to Kamala's numbers. You know, a little bit of a

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Speaker 9: sugar high first and then she carried it on. It

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Speaker 9: is really brought in a whole new set of young

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Speaker 9: voters in the equation that we're never going to even involved.

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Speaker 9: But I do think this is a benefit for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 9: particularly the state like Arizona. But I got to tell

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Speaker 9: you what the Arizona I think we just saw this

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Speaker 9: week two that the ballot question will be on the

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Speaker 9: ballot in Arizona about abortion protections. That's going to be

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Speaker 9: a huge problem for Kerry Lake and Donald Trump in Arizona,

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Speaker 9: and a huge benefit to Rubank Rubin Guyago, the congressman there,

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Speaker 9: he's a friend of mine run for the Senate. That

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Speaker 9: abortion question is going to keep the abortion question front

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Speaker 9: and center for voters in Arizona's We all remember what

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Speaker 9: was it six months ago, that disastrous Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 9: that took the abortion restrictions back to.

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Speaker 7: Pre Civil War era time.

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Speaker 9: And so that the abortion question in front center, I

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Speaker 9: think is overall going to wash any kind of net

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Speaker 9: benefit Donald Trump would get out of this endorsement from

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Speaker 9: our k Junior. So I do think overall it will

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Speaker 9: be a.

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Speaker 2: Net ben Really interesting Rubag of course, speaking in primetime

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Speaker 2: at the convention last evening as part of the Veterans.

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Speaker 3: Part of the show.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Brad's right, RFK Junior's vote share has come down

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Speaker 2: a lot since Joe Biden left the race. He's kind

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Speaker 2: of in mid single digits right now. That, of course

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Speaker 2: could make a difference in a swing state with this

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Speaker 2: race being so tight. How do you see this departure

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Speaker 2: impacting things if it happened.

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Speaker 10: I'm glad Brad bought it around to the young voter

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Speaker 10: because really the one thing that I'm hearing from really

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Speaker 10: first time voters and those really young voters Joe is

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Speaker 10: that they were looking at somebody like RFK Junior because

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Speaker 10: outside of the fact that Donald Trump and Joe Biden

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Speaker 10: were really sort of beyond sort of the reach for

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Speaker 10: those youth voters, RFK was appealing to this voters because

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Speaker 10: he was on TikTok and he was on these platforms

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Speaker 10: where they're getting their news, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: with the change of the candidates with Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 10: this young vibrant campaign that really is to people that

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Speaker 10: are in a different generation. That's really where those voters

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Speaker 10: came in. And so if you're looking at the TikTok voter, right,

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Speaker 10: I mean, I use that roughly. It's just basically the

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Speaker 10: folks that are getting their information from different platforms than

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Speaker 10: traditional ones, if they're going with either an RFK or

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Speaker 10: a Kamala. I suspect that that's precisely the calculation that's

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Speaker 10: going on at the Republican in the r RNC and

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Speaker 10: in the campaign, is that this is a way to

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Speaker 10: appeal to that side of the voter and those that

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Speaker 10: segment of the vote. But also too, I'm not so

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Speaker 10: sure that that's really going to be quite as successful

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Speaker 10: because there are so many parts of the RFK campaign

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Speaker 10: that are just so far out there that really it

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Speaker 10: would be surprising to me if those young voters would say,

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Speaker 10: I'll choose a Trump over a Kamala.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I have to have been.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know what job RFK Junior would hold

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Speaker 2: in a Trump administration. If it's FDA, maybe the vaccines

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Speaker 2: are I'm not.

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Speaker 10: I yeah, that's the one that they're saying that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was Santis floated at one point as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a big surprise, I guess if you

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Speaker 2: want to go to Washington and break it, as they say.

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Speaker 2: But Brad does does Kamala Harris do anything here with

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Speaker 2: with some Kennedy's get up there with Joe Kennedy, the

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Speaker 2: former congressman, wrap herself with the family. If this happens,

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Speaker 2: to remind people that this is not necessarily the Kennedy brand,

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Speaker 2: remind Democrats it's not the Kennedy brand.

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Speaker 10: They remember, well, they've done it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, Brad.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So they did that when the group of voters

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Speaker 9: that was going to R. K Junior were like Democrats

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Speaker 9: or longtime Democrats, or young voters who are concerned about

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Speaker 9: Biden's age, they were flirting with R.

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Speaker 7: K Junior.

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Speaker 9: So the family got up and said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 9: this is not the Kennedy of the past. This is

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Speaker 9: not the Kennedy that we all envision and love, and

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Speaker 9: this is the.

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Speaker 7: Opposite of that. I think they had to do that.

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Speaker 9: Then now they don't have to do that like all

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Speaker 9: the people that they're concerned about that that would win

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Speaker 9: over or already over in Kama's camp. I think at

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Speaker 9: this point for they just ignore R K Junior completely,

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Speaker 9: as I think most people will. Donald Trump has a

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Speaker 9: tendency to say, thanks for the endorsement, I get out

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Speaker 9: of my way. And so I think you're going to

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Speaker 9: see R. K Junior shove the side here. I'd be

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Speaker 9: shocked that they use him in any meaningful way.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: There's also some rumors that, you know, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 9: very unhappy with his vice presidential pick.

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Speaker 7: So who knows what's going to go on there.

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Speaker 9: But I heard ahhes secretary for RK Junior, which I

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Speaker 9: just like is mind blowing to me.

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Speaker 7: The people that they put into these positions of authority,

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Speaker 7: who you.

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Speaker 9: Know, can you create a conspiracy theory while you're the

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Speaker 9: leader of the agency, don't you know?

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Speaker 7: I don't know how that works. So it'll be fascinating

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Speaker 7: to watch.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's a reminder that these are unseerious

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Speaker 9: people and we have serious problems. And I think, Kamala,

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Speaker 9: you can look at the I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 9: I took away from the Commission this week is look

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Speaker 9: at the Democratic talent.

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Speaker 7: The Democratic bitch.

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Speaker 9: I mean, my gosh, we had everything from Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 9: Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Sapiro, you know, Mark Kelly wes Moore

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Speaker 9: of Maryland, who I think is a rising star in

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Speaker 9: the party. I mean, just down the line, just this

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Speaker 9: incredible bench of young governors and senators and House members

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Speaker 9: and veterans. Rerubyen Gay was a rising star as well.

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Speaker 9: I think he's particularly hooting because he not only is

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Speaker 9: his fanic, he speaks Spanish. He literally grew up I think,

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Speaker 9: homeless at one point and went to Harvard and you know,

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Speaker 9: forced his way and he read his book. It's incredible

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Speaker 9: where he talks about all of his friends around him,

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Speaker 9: his entire unit died except for like him and a buddy.

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Speaker 9: I mean, just an incredible story. You got people like

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Speaker 9: that all across the country. That's gonna be fun to watch.

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Speaker 9: So r K Junior, you know, I think he's gonna

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Speaker 9: be dismissed in next week and won't hear from him again.

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Speaker 3: Let him be, says Brad Howard.

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Speaker 2: Great panel, Brad, get home safe from Chicago. You were

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Speaker 2: great with us this week in Chicago. We really appreciate

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Speaker 2: the insights and all of the experience that you brought

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