Speaker 1: Him and welcome back to the Carrel Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: Tyler Cowen wrote two articles this week that bothered me
Speaker 1: enough to discuss them. Both were in the Free Press,
Speaker 1: an outlet that I really enjoy.
Speaker 2: One of them was on how.
Speaker 1: The elites got COVID mostly right. If you know anything
Speaker 1: about me, I very much don't think so, and I'm
Speaker 1: writing an article about that now, so look for it
Speaker 1: in the New York Post or maybe on the Fox
Speaker 1: News website. We'll see. But his other piece is somehow
Speaker 1: even more wrong than that one. It's called the Case
Speaker 1: for Living Online, or why I often choose my phone
Speaker 1: instead of flesh and blood. He writes, why do I
Speaker 1: spend so much of my time with email, group chats
Speaker 1: and also writing for larger audiences such as repressed readers.
Speaker 1: I ask myself that earnestly, and I have arrived at
Speaker 1: a pretty good answer. I believe that by spending time
Speaker 1: online I will meet and befriend a collection of individuals
Speaker 1: around the world who are pretty much exactly the people
Speaker 1: I want to be in touch with, and then I
Speaker 1: will be in touch with them regularly. I call them
Speaker 1: the perfect people for me. I recognize that many of
Speaker 1: these communications are online, and thus they are thinner than
Speaker 1: many more local, face to face relationships. Yet I do
Speaker 1: end up meeting most of these people and with great
Speaker 1: pleasure that in turn enhances the quality of the online communications.
Speaker 1: And frankly, if forced to choose, I would rather have
Speaker 1: thinner relationships with the perfect people for me than regular
Speaker 1: bear hugs and beer guzzlings with people who are in
Speaker 1: the eighty seventh percentile for me Endue. The problem with
Speaker 1: this is that you may meet these people once, twice,
Speaker 1: even twenty times, let's say, but they're not a part
Speaker 1: of your everyday life. Their proximity does not allow for
Speaker 1: true closeness, for true friendship. But I think what Tyler
Speaker 1: is describing is exactly what people do get caught up
Speaker 1: in when, for example, they do online dating. Why settle
Speaker 1: for just eighty seven percent compatible when clearly the one
Speaker 1: hundred percentile would be better. But I just think one
Speaker 1: hundred is an illusion. You can only imagine that you're
Speaker 1: one hundred percent compatible with someone when you have limited
Speaker 1: interaction with them. It's the whirlwind romance that you have
Speaker 1: when you're studying abroad in college. Pablo or Marco or
Speaker 1: Susette is just your absolute match. You spend three blissful
Speaker 1: months together eating bagets around Paris or on the back
Speaker 1: of a vespa in Rome. Nothing could be better and
Speaker 1: no one better suited to you. But nearly anyone who
Speaker 1: has tried to take that relationship yes to real life,
Speaker 1: where there are bills and jobs and chores and grocery stores,
Speaker 1: the drudgery of the every day, will find that it
Speaker 1: all gets old, very very fast. That's what Tyler has
Speaker 1: with his internet friends. He has the high points and
Speaker 1: sure he can maintain them for longer because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that romantic connection to burnout without ever having anything
Speaker 1: like real life and real life. And I know I
Speaker 1: say this on here A lot is better eighty seven
Speaker 1: percent compatible with thirteen percent. Where you love your spouse
Speaker 1: or your friend anyway because their imperfections make them a
Speaker 1: real person is actually amazing. I've made friends online, Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I cried when a friend I knew
Speaker 1: mostly just on Twitter died, But a lot of the
Speaker 1: time I've watched the death of someone that we all
Speaker 1: know online hit the end online world, and people are sad.
Speaker 1: People might give their condolences or say a word or
Speaker 1: two about the person or be shocked, but it lasts
Speaker 1: a minute and then they're scrolling and retweeting like nothing
Speaker 1: had ever happened. That person's actual family and their actual
Speaker 1: friends in real life will miss them, and they are
Speaker 1: who is important. Thanks for listening. Coming up my interview
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Speaker 1: dot org. Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz
Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Libby Emmons. Libby
Speaker 1: is editor in chief of The Post Millennial. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Libby, Sure, thank Carol.
Speaker 1: So we knew each other a little bit in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about your story how
Speaker 1: you got into this thing of ours. But you came
Speaker 1: from the theater world, is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Most of my career was in theater, doing weird, experimental
Speaker 3: downtown shows and tiny theaters hoping people would come.
Speaker 2: And then I spoke out against trans.
Speaker 3: And that turned out badly and I had to find
Speaker 3: a new career and different friends so rather quickly, at
Speaker 3: like twenty nineteen, early twenty nineteen, and I came up
Speaker 3: with this idea that I should just walk through any
Speaker 3: open door, and that's how I got here.
Speaker 1: Do you miss the theater world? Yes, yeah, to go
Speaker 1: back to something if it was normal, if it wasn't insane,
Speaker 1: but it kind of just as insane.
Speaker 2: Right, It kind of just is insane.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that door would ever be opened
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 2: I would love to see.
Speaker 3: People on this side of things, making art and making
Speaker 3: theater and doing you know, exploring ideas in that aesthetic
Speaker 3: kind of way, picking up the threads of storytelling where
Speaker 3: the arts community has really dropped them years and years ago,
Speaker 3: going into creating beautiful things, creating artwork that makes you
Speaker 3: feel something positive when you're sitting in the audience, or
Speaker 3: even just doing Shakespeare like it's normal, instead of doing
Speaker 3: Shakespeare like Romeo as a Girl Too, you know, or
Speaker 3: doing Mecabeth like it's normal.
Speaker 2: Doing all of these shows.
Speaker 3: What was the one they did and they decided the
Speaker 3: bad guy in Shakespeare was actually Trump?
Speaker 2: That was dumb, you.
Speaker 1: Know, not any one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your poison.
Speaker 3: But I would love to see more traditional pieces done
Speaker 3: like they should be, even Ibsen Moliere, any of these guys,
Speaker 3: you know, Sam Beckett. I think there's actually a revival
Speaker 3: of Waiting for Goodo that's going to be up on
Speaker 3: Broadway this year with the guys from Bill and Ted's
Speaker 3: Kano Reeves and the other guy, and I really want
Speaker 3: to see that because Bill and Ted's meets Waiting for GOODO.
Speaker 2: That's kind of that's very Bakhetian, that works that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. But would I make art again for sure?
Speaker 2: And I haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't stopped making art, I just have not been
Speaker 3: making theater art.
Speaker 1: Were you an actress or were you behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: I was writing plays, So my masters is in playwriting
Speaker 3: and theater, and I was writing plays and producing plays
Speaker 3: and that was that was pretty much all I wanted
Speaker 3: to do from the time I was fourteen years old,
Speaker 3: and so trying to come up with something else to do,
Speaker 3: it was like, well, everything I loved has kind.
Speaker 2: Of been burned down. I don't really know where to
Speaker 2: go from there.
Speaker 3: And the thing about theater is you need an audience,
Speaker 3: and if you don't have an audience, there's no point
Speaker 3: really to making the work.
Speaker 2: You can write all the scripts that you.
Speaker 3: Want, you can do animations of them if you want,
Speaker 3: but like, you need an audience. And I just did
Speaker 3: not have the feeling that I in the community where
Speaker 3: I was doing the kind of work I was doing,
Speaker 3: I was pretty sure I had no audience left.
Speaker 2: So that would that's the key thing that you need,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a good moment for something like that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to spend the next, you know,
Speaker 1: a few days trying to talk you into I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the work that you do is amazing and
Speaker 1: I love your just your style in general. You've always
Speaker 1: been a really interesting follow for me on X and I.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the work you do a post
Speaker 1: one it was fantastic, But I feel like you need
Speaker 1: to be making plays for the stage, and it's such
Speaker 1: a good moment for that. Our family, we don't watch
Speaker 1: a lot of TV. I just I'm just I'm an
Speaker 1: internet junkie. I'm not like better than anyone. I just
Speaker 1: I just channel my insanity in a different way. But
Speaker 1: we started watching that House of David movie series recently,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, made by conservatives. Yeah, we just
Speaker 1: we've only we're only one episode in, but it's excellent
Speaker 1: and it's you know, for families. But what all the
Speaker 1: other things suggested to me on Netflix, We're all like America,
Speaker 1: it's an amazing country, like just very very different than
Speaker 1: what would have been suggested on Netflix even a year ago.
Speaker 1: So I think I think this is your moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we only really need fifty thousand dollars in
Speaker 3: a theater space and we can get that's like going
Speaker 3: easily done to invest in that.
Speaker 2: Let's let's put it together.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is an investment that can absolutely happen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, see if we could do that,
Speaker 1: what would you want to write about? Yeah? What were
Speaker 1: your shows about? Like, what was your theme?
Speaker 2: Did you have one?
Speaker 3: I wrote about a lot of different things, and they,
Speaker 3: you know, pretty different. I wrote satire about I wrote
Speaker 3: this ridiculous satire that was a send up of everything
Speaker 3: that they do to women. So there was trans abortion,
Speaker 3: there was me too stuff in there. There was adoption, surrogacy,
Speaker 3: like all of this crazy stuff. And it was two
Speaker 3: hr reps sitting there going through like all having all
Speaker 3: this crazy stuff happen with no other characters.
Speaker 2: That was fun. I wrote replay about.
Speaker 1: That would be such a hit, as you know.
Speaker 3: I did one about domestic slavery in the United States
Speaker 3: and that was really fascinating. There had actually been sometimes
Speaker 3: I would pull stuff from the news and there had
Speaker 3: been this long island couple. I remember they were from
Speaker 3: Indonesia or something like that, and they had this perfume empire,
Speaker 3: and so they would bring women from their hometown in
Speaker 3: Indonesia and essentially enslave them in their home. So that was,
Speaker 3: you know, uplifting a lot of but there was a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: My favorite play that I wrote was the last one
Speaker 3: that got performed, and it was called I'm Not an Allegory.
Speaker 2: These are people I know and you know, you know
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: So it was about a bunch of people in Brooklyn
Speaker 3: that were loosely connected and how they navigate their lives.
Speaker 3: One of them needs a new job, one of them's
Speaker 3: having sort of like a mental break because of childhood
Speaker 3: trauma that she never dealt with. Somebody else is like
Speaker 3: in love with his coworker and he's trying to take
Speaker 3: her out, and all of the women in the show
Speaker 3: kind of end.
Speaker 2: Up meeting at a dance class. So it's a very
Speaker 2: Brickland show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you miss Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: I yeah, I love I love Brooklyn. I love New
Speaker 2: York City.
Speaker 3: My Famili's from New York City, going way back to
Speaker 3: like the Italian immigrants coming over in the nineteen eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 3: something like that twenty. My grandparents were born in Brooklyn,
Speaker 3: my mom was born in Brooklyn, my son was born
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely miss it.
Speaker 3: And I'm that person who's like always looking at the Zillow.
Speaker 2: Like, what could I take aut to go back wuity
Speaker 2: loan and buy a new buy place and have two places?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I feel like, do the math on
Speaker 1: a hotel before you do that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, right, this is I mean, whenever I.
Speaker 1: Think about any property anywhere, I start thinking like I
Speaker 1: could live there, I could have a second house there,
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait, I could just stay there
Speaker 1: in a hotel whenever I want to go. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I obviously I missed the Brooklyn. I miss
Speaker 1: old Brooklyn. I don't know that I miss Brooklyn right now.
Speaker 1: But I miss actually your area where you lived Bay Ridge,
Speaker 1: a lot more than I miss where I lived, which
Speaker 1: is Park Slope. Don't miss Park Slope at all.
Speaker 2: Pretty different neighborhoods.
Speaker 3: Although in my neighborhood right outside my building, because I
Speaker 3: was I was on like right on Fifth Avenue and Ovington,
Speaker 3: there's like it's a very Arab neighborhood. And every weekend
Speaker 3: there were these like big anti Israel protests, and they
Speaker 3: were just getting bigger, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they're a little.
Speaker 1: Bigger, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I went to high
Speaker 1: school in beer Ridge, it was a very Italian area. No,
Speaker 1: I really did love it. It was it was a
Speaker 1: great little neighborhood. So what's your life now in Can
Speaker 1: I say where you live?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I live. I live in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Do you love it or what do you think?
Speaker 3: I do love it. I love having my own house.
Speaker 3: I love having a little piece of land. It's a
Speaker 3: very New Yorker thing for me to say, like no
Speaker 3: one can kick me out of my house, that no one.
Speaker 2: Carries my rent. I love that.
Speaker 3: That's great for me. I have my own parking space.
Speaker 3: It's just right out of my house.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 2: So these are basic things, but it is interesting. The
Speaker 2: difference is just.
Speaker 3: In lifestyle and what you expect. In New York everything
Speaker 3: is about quality of life. And here it's like I
Speaker 3: pay for my water separate and I pay for my
Speaker 3: trash pick up separate. I just got a bill for
Speaker 3: the ambulance service and I was like, I didn't take
Speaker 3: an ambulance. Oh wait, I have to pay Yeah, every
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 2: Wow, super our cart.
Speaker 1: I took every libertarian fantasy over.
Speaker 2: There, right, So, but I always I love where I am.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely breathtakingly beautiful, and I love that I'm a
Speaker 3: lot closer.
Speaker 2: To DC now, so I do more like DC stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a warm spot for DC, I know.
Speaker 1: But and you get to have kind of the best
Speaker 1: of both worlds. You're in somewhere that you could get
Speaker 1: to have land, you get to have.
Speaker 2: A parking spot.
Speaker 1: I fully relate to the parking spot things. When I
Speaker 1: am back in Brooklyn and my brother is like, I
Speaker 1: have to go move the car, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't miss that at all.
Speaker 3: Or like you do that math, you'd be like, do
Speaker 3: I move the car? Or do I figure they're not
Speaker 3: going to tow it? And I'm just paying.
Speaker 2: Sixty five bucks for parking this week.
Speaker 1: It's like not that cheaper than a garage.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Whenever anybody would have that conversation and on the park
Speaker 1: slope boards, like all these people would be like, that's
Speaker 1: so wrong. You shouldn't do that, Like well the math maths,
Speaker 1: as the kids say, you know, so what do you
Speaker 1: worry about?
Speaker 2: What do I worry about? In terms of like I
Speaker 2: worry about the future. I worry about aging. I'm going
Speaker 2: to be fifty.
Speaker 3: This year, and I find that I find that, oh thanks,
Speaker 3: I just find that crazy, Like how could.
Speaker 2: I be fifty? Like how can you see? Can that be?
Speaker 2: I think that's nuts.
Speaker 3: So I think about that, and I think about my
Speaker 3: grandmom and my mom my grandmother's past. But my mom
Speaker 3: is like seventy five something like that, and I think
Speaker 3: about Like, so I think about that because mortality is
Speaker 3: this crazy thing and you don't think about it for
Speaker 3: your whole life. You run out into the street, you
Speaker 3: don't think about anything. You do whatever crazy stuff comes
Speaker 3: into your mind, and then suddenly you're like, wait, my
Speaker 3: friends are having their knees and hits replaced?
Speaker 2: What is what is is this about? Why is this happening?
Speaker 3: So I write in terms of personal stuff. I think
Speaker 3: about that, like what does aging look like? Is the
Speaker 3: kid going to put me in a home?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think so interesting.
Speaker 2: I worry about my son.
Speaker 3: He's fifteen, and I worry about like getting him sort
Speaker 3: of launched.
Speaker 2: Into his life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of the tools that what tools can I
Speaker 3: give him? You know, you can save money for them.
Speaker 3: You can make sure you're teaching them stuff, but there's
Speaker 3: like all these variables. You have no idea what might
Speaker 3: possibly happen.
Speaker 2: I don't really.
Speaker 3: Worry too much about like the broader anxieties of the world,
Speaker 3: nuclear war, any of that stuff. Like if anything like
Speaker 3: super crazy happens, it's almost a relief. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I know, I don't have to worry about the stuff
Speaker 3: that was bothering me anymore.
Speaker 2: No worries about that.
Speaker 3: Right now, it's all about foraging place moods now, just
Speaker 3: looking for nothing and berries.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read too many books about Russia during World
Speaker 1: War Two and end up looking at our pantry and
Speaker 1: being like, how long can we survive on just what
Speaker 1: we have here? Yeah, it's it's I mean, they, you know,
Speaker 1: they were all starving to death, and that was not
Speaker 1: that long ago and not you know, not such a
Speaker 1: crazy thing to have happened. So yeah, I think we'd
Speaker 1: be okay for at least a few weeks, maybe a
Speaker 1: few months.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a you know, I think i'd have
Speaker 3: like a few months because there's also a ton of
Speaker 3: flower You can always just make stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess I feel like a few months
Speaker 1: of just we'll be eating like a little pasta every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my son jokes, because during the pandemic I started
Speaker 3: doing like oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was doing like New York Prepper, right,
Speaker 2: so it was like fake prepper.
Speaker 3: I was like buying cases of pasta, which of course
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything if the gas goes.
Speaker 1: Out, but sure, yeah, yeah, raw. The Russians in my
Speaker 1: war books would happily eat our raw pasta.
Speaker 2: Raw passa. Yeah, yeah, I think about that. My son.
Speaker 3: Actually, you just read nineteen eighty four for I think
Speaker 3: the second time, and he's a little obsessed with.
Speaker 2: It, and so we talk about a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 3: So we talked about some of those themes too. I
Speaker 3: was like, next up, you have to read The Master
Speaker 3: and Margarita.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, is that a good one for you fifteen?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually, a really good one is we
Speaker 1: Bai Zimyatun. It's a similar theme to nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: I have a fifteen year old also, my daughter, but
Speaker 1: she's into like fantasy books. But I should get her
Speaker 1: to read like nineteen eighty four soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really I've foisted these on him.
Speaker 2: It was like a little stack. Was that Brave New World?
Speaker 2: Fahrenheit four fifty one?
Speaker 3: Go read these and then then we'll have something to
Speaker 3: talk about we have around here on my shelf somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely check that one out. It's a
Speaker 1: really good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're going to take a quick break and be
Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Markoitch Show. What advice would
Speaker 1: you give your sixteen year old self? What does sixteen
Speaker 1: year old Liby need to know?
Speaker 2: What does she need to know?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably everything you know? Probably.
Speaker 3: I think the best advice would be, no one's looking
Speaker 3: at you, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: No one. You're not in a movie. No one is
Speaker 2: paying attention to anything you think or what you do.
Speaker 2: You have more freedom than that.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that until I was thirty two, and
Speaker 3: that would have been a good lesson to know earlier.
Speaker 3: No one cares that much about what other people are doing.
Speaker 3: Everyone's obsessed with their own life. People are as obsessed
Speaker 3: with their lives as you're obsessed with yours.
Speaker 2: So just chow out.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be really good advice for
Speaker 1: a lot of people on X because they think they
Speaker 1: are the main character on there and you know, relax
Speaker 1: a little with your Yeah. Yeah, as a teenager. It's
Speaker 1: funny because I do you feel like teenagers today like that?
Speaker 1: I don't know that they are. Is it maybe because
Speaker 1: they are watched all the time on like social media
Speaker 1: that they don't feel like it.
Speaker 2: That they don't feel like they're being watched Like.
Speaker 1: I don't get that sense. I mean I've only met
Speaker 1: your son a few times, but does he feel like
Speaker 1: everyone's like looking at him? You know, like the thing that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter doesn't feel like that either.
Speaker 3: So he's way he's like very chilled out in his life,
Speaker 3: you know, and he he doesn't really want anything to
Speaker 3: do with all of the online stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: He'll tell me like, mom, stop scrolling, right.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, you do scrolling And he's like, no,
Speaker 3: I gave up scrolling ages ago.
Speaker 2: I don't even scroll YouTube shorts anymore. Like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: I will try to stop scrolling.
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you do? He's like reading
Speaker 3: a book mom.
Speaker 1: Man, that is h Yeah. I get a lot of
Speaker 1: that also from my kids, Like, you know, read a
Speaker 1: book and don't scroll touch grass. That whole touch grass
Speaker 1: for sure, but the whole like the whole little mini videos.
Speaker 1: I really feel like they're so bad. It's so interesting
Speaker 1: that he's identified that because I just don't feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people see how bad those shorts are.
Speaker 1: Like they say TikTok, but everything is TikTok.
Speaker 2: Now it's everything. It's exit's Instagram. I had dinner.
Speaker 3: I was actually in New York over the weekend, and
Speaker 3: I had dinner with an old friend of mine.
Speaker 2: We've been friends since high school.
Speaker 3: And I said something to her about Instagram scrolling and
Speaker 3: she was like, just stop, I can't even handle the
Speaker 3: Instagram scrolling.
Speaker 2: And she does too. She's like, it's crack, and my daughter,
Speaker 2: it's up. It's the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we are impacted by all this stuff that
Speaker 3: it's designed to capture their attention, and it's not capturing
Speaker 3: their attention, right, it's just holding us hostage instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's us. And like the generation just below us,
Speaker 1: like between us and our kids, is the generation I
Speaker 1: think is most in trouble with it, like they are.
Speaker 1: They just can't seem to, you know, have conversations. I
Speaker 1: just I see them. They're they're hanging out together and
Speaker 1: they're scrolling like just I don't know, no socialize.
Speaker 3: I'm disturbing too when you see kids together, well kids
Speaker 3: the like twenties thirties at a restaurant and they're all
Speaker 3: looking at their phones and not having a conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really wild that generation. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: concerned about them, but I do think that next one
Speaker 1: is kind of over it. And I've seen this somewhere
Speaker 1: where people say like, it'll be the cool thing that
Speaker 1: you're not on the Internet, and I already see that developing,
Speaker 1: that the analog life is going to be what makes
Speaker 1: you interesting.
Speaker 3: Either that or they're actually just using the Internet to
Speaker 3: talk to each other. Well, my son's best friend from Brooklyn,
Speaker 3: his family moved to He moved to Morocco, which is
Speaker 3: where his parents were from, even though he's American. And
Speaker 3: I was like, he's got his passport right, like you
Speaker 3: got don't leave anything behind.
Speaker 2: He's going to need it to get home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's you know, my son will talk to
Speaker 3: him and his brother. They're all really tight and they
Speaker 3: talk on this right, So when my son's online.
Speaker 2: He's usually just talking to his friends. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of I'm okay with that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a totally different thing than you know, because
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversations, like, you know, social media
Speaker 1: is bad for kids, but I'm like social media barely
Speaker 1: exists anymore. It's like all these mini videos. We're just
Speaker 1: all carrying around televisions with us and like watching little episodes,
Speaker 1: and you know, if somebody watched ten hours a day
Speaker 1: of TV, we'd understand it's bad. But because it's on
Speaker 1: our phones and small doses, it's like okay.
Speaker 2: Somehow, yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's all these weird things that pop up on
Speaker 3: Instagram where it's like some horror, horrifying story from some
Speaker 3: house in the middle of nowhere, and I'm always like,
Speaker 3: because I do news, and I'm like, did that really happen?
Speaker 3: And I go look it up and it's no, It's
Speaker 3: just some fake thing for Instagram that I'm always talking about.
Speaker 2: And you get the other thing too.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you remember this, Like five years ago,
Speaker 3: you could trust Twitter to give you news and you'd
Speaker 3: be like, oh, that's a tip, let me go figure
Speaker 3: out what's going on. I can report straight off Twitter.
Speaker 3: And in the past like year or so, I appreciate
Speaker 3: all of the free.
Speaker 2: Speech angle of X one, But what I don't.
Speaker 3: Like, are all of the influencer slash journalists who don't
Speaker 3: actually do the digging, and so they'll throw something out
Speaker 3: there and then you'll go to find it and it
Speaker 3: doesn't really exist and you're like, oh, this was extrapolated.
Speaker 2: It's not actually real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's extrapolated. I see that all the time. People
Speaker 1: will post like breaking and then like a headline. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, really and then I'll look it up
Speaker 1: and no, not really at all. But that it didn't
Speaker 1: actually happen.
Speaker 3: Is that people are really quick to post and get
Speaker 3: the clicks, which I think is in part driven by
Speaker 3: Elon Musk's whole revenue thing, and so that's you know,
Speaker 3: that's disconcerting. There's definitely accounts where it's like, oh, you
Speaker 3: can take this to the bank, but not all of them,
Speaker 3: and not always the biggest ones, you know.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, how does it affect your business? Like,
Speaker 1: how do you guys vet stories?
Speaker 3: Well, you have to take something then go digging around.
Speaker 3: We also work with and you know, as a senior
Speaker 3: editor at Post Money.
Speaker 2: Great. He's terrific.
Speaker 3: He's smart, he's thoughtful, he knows what he's doing. So
Speaker 3: there's definitely times when him like Andy, what is the
Speaker 3: deal with this?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? And sometimes and like you know, he
Speaker 2: can help us because.
Speaker 1: And he's thorough. He's very like I've had breaking news
Speaker 1: in the past that I've like run by him because
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the sensationalist just throw something
Speaker 1: up to throw it up. Yeah, he's fantastic.
Speaker 2: You guys, man, you're usually good.
Speaker 3: Usually you'll post something if you get like an advance
Speaker 3: and like watch for this because Carol's probably right, So
Speaker 3: let's check that out.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch that I did not post that I
Speaker 1: haven't like when I've gotten breaking news and I didn't
Speaker 1: post it because I could not like corroborate it or
Speaker 1: I couldn't really really say that it was one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: so I didn't post it and lost the story. But
Speaker 1: you know, so what I rather be right, I'd rather
Speaker 1: be right than first, is.
Speaker 2: My you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we go with too, is like, let's
Speaker 3: we don't have to be first, we just have to
Speaker 3: be right because if you're.
Speaker 2: A news outlet, you lose your.
Speaker 3: Credibility really quickly, and if you're an ex poster, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you lose your credibility because people are
Speaker 3: still following and you're still getting it first, and you.
Speaker 2: Know people will you'll still get.
Speaker 3: What you want from it. So yeah, we go with
Speaker 3: that too. We decide to be right, not first necessarily.
Speaker 3: We also we work with Jack Pisovic. He's a senior
Speaker 3: editor at Human Events, which is also under our media group.
Speaker 3: And I'll ask Jack things, especially if it has to
Speaker 3: do with national security or any kind of intelligent stuff,
Speaker 3: and he'll often say stay frosty, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I won't.
Speaker 2: We'll just hold on.
Speaker 1: Also, you know, yeah, what to say frosty mean.
Speaker 3: Say frosty means, don't do anything, don't jump on anything,
Speaker 3: don't set your hair on fire.
Speaker 2: Day, be chill, just be chill.
Speaker 3: I like it, you know, don't freak out, hang on,
Speaker 3: just wait for it.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I've loved this conversation. You are so fun. Leave
Speaker 1: us here with your best tip for my listeners on
Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 3: How to improve your lives. Exercise in the morning is
Speaker 3: a good one. I hate exercising. I hate it so much.
Speaker 1: Me too, I try and do it in the morning.
Speaker 1: In the evening, I hate it all the time.
Speaker 3: It's the worst, but I try and do it in
Speaker 3: the morning and then no matter what happens for the
Speaker 3: rest of the day, you can say like, well, I
Speaker 3: did that.
Speaker 2: See I did that thing.
Speaker 1: I've got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and turmeric ginger tea. That's all I got.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: She is Libby Emmon's editor in chief of Post Millennial.
Speaker 1: Check out her work. She's fantastic. Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: coming on, Lebby. Thanks so much, Carol, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. Subscribe wherever
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