1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Him and welcome back to the Carrel Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Tyler Cowen wrote two articles this week that bothered me 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: enough to discuss them. Both were in the Free Press, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: an outlet that I really enjoy. 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: One of them was on how. 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: The elites got COVID mostly right. If you know anything 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: about me, I very much don't think so, and I'm 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: writing an article about that now, so look for it 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: in the New York Post or maybe on the Fox 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: News website. We'll see. But his other piece is somehow 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: even more wrong than that one. It's called the Case 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: for Living Online, or why I often choose my phone 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: instead of flesh and blood. He writes, why do I 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: spend so much of my time with email, group chats 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: and also writing for larger audiences such as repressed readers. 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: I ask myself that earnestly, and I have arrived at 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: a pretty good answer. I believe that by spending time 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: online I will meet and befriend a collection of individuals 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: around the world who are pretty much exactly the people 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: I want to be in touch with, and then I 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: will be in touch with them regularly. I call them 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: the perfect people for me. I recognize that many of 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: these communications are online, and thus they are thinner than 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: many more local, face to face relationships. Yet I do 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: end up meeting most of these people and with great 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: pleasure that in turn enhances the quality of the online communications. 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: And frankly, if forced to choose, I would rather have 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: thinner relationships with the perfect people for me than regular 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: bear hugs and beer guzzlings with people who are in 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: the eighty seventh percentile for me Endue. The problem with 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: this is that you may meet these people once, twice, 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: even twenty times, let's say, but they're not a part 33 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: of your everyday life. Their proximity does not allow for 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: true closeness, for true friendship. But I think what Tyler 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: is describing is exactly what people do get caught up 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: in when, for example, they do online dating. Why settle 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: for just eighty seven percent compatible when clearly the one 38 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: hundred percentile would be better. But I just think one 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: hundred is an illusion. You can only imagine that you're 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent compatible with someone when you have limited 41 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: interaction with them. It's the whirlwind romance that you have 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: when you're studying abroad in college. Pablo or Marco or 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Susette is just your absolute match. You spend three blissful 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: months together eating bagets around Paris or on the back 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: of a vespa in Rome. Nothing could be better and 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: no one better suited to you. But nearly anyone who 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: has tried to take that relationship yes to real life, 48 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: where there are bills and jobs and chores and grocery stores, 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: the drudgery of the every day, will find that it 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: all gets old, very very fast. That's what Tyler has 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: with his internet friends. He has the high points and 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: sure he can maintain them for longer because he doesn't 53 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: have that romantic connection to burnout without ever having anything 54 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: like real life and real life. And I know I 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: say this on here A lot is better eighty seven 56 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: percent compatible with thirteen percent. Where you love your spouse 57 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: or your friend anyway because their imperfections make them a 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: real person is actually amazing. I've made friends online, Don't 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: get me wrong. I cried when a friend I knew 60 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: mostly just on Twitter died, But a lot of the 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: time I've watched the death of someone that we all 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: know online hit the end online world, and people are sad. 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: People might give their condolences or say a word or 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: two about the person or be shocked, but it lasts 65 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: a minute and then they're scrolling and retweeting like nothing 66 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: had ever happened. That person's actual family and their actual 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: friends in real life will miss them, and they are 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: who is important. Thanks for listening. Coming up my interview 69 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: with Libby Emmons. But first, Israel is still under attack. 70 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: Missile fire has resumed from Israel's enemies, terrorists who seek 71 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: utter death and destruction. Here in America, we can't imagine 72 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: what it's like to live in constant beer like this, 73 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: but for the people of Israel, it's all very real 74 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: every single day. 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Thank you 90 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: so much for coming on. 91 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: Libby, Sure, thank Carol. 92 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: So we knew each other a little bit in Brooklyn, 93 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about your story how 94 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: you got into this thing of ours. But you came 95 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: from the theater world, is that right? 96 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: Most of my career was in theater, doing weird, experimental 98 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: downtown shows and tiny theaters hoping people would come. 99 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: And then I spoke out against trans. 100 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: And that turned out badly and I had to find 101 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: a new career and different friends so rather quickly, at 102 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: like twenty nineteen, early twenty nineteen, and I came up 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: with this idea that I should just walk through any 104 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: open door, and that's how I got here. 105 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: Do you miss the theater world? Yes, yeah, to go 106 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: back to something if it was normal, if it wasn't insane, 107 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: but it kind of just as insane. 108 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Right, It kind of just is insane. 109 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: I don't know that that door would ever be opened 110 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: at this point. 111 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: I would love to see. 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: People on this side of things, making art and making 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: theater and doing you know, exploring ideas in that aesthetic 114 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: kind of way, picking up the threads of storytelling where 115 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: the arts community has really dropped them years and years ago, 116 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: going into creating beautiful things, creating artwork that makes you 117 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: feel something positive when you're sitting in the audience, or 118 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: even just doing Shakespeare like it's normal, instead of doing 119 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: Shakespeare like Romeo as a Girl Too, you know, or 120 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: doing Mecabeth like it's normal. 121 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: Doing all of these shows. 122 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: What was the one they did and they decided the 123 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: bad guy in Shakespeare was actually Trump? 124 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: That was dumb, you. 125 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: Know, not any one of them. 126 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, your poison. 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 3: But I would love to see more traditional pieces done 128 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: like they should be, even Ibsen Moliere, any of these guys, 129 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: you know, Sam Beckett. I think there's actually a revival 130 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: of Waiting for Goodo that's going to be up on 131 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: Broadway this year with the guys from Bill and Ted's 132 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: Kano Reeves and the other guy, and I really want 133 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: to see that because Bill and Ted's meets Waiting for GOODO. 134 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: That's kind of that's very Bakhetian, that works that kind 135 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: of thing. But would I make art again for sure? 136 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: And I haven't. 137 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: I haven't stopped making art, I just have not been 138 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: making theater art. 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: Were you an actress or were you behind the scenes. 140 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: I was writing plays, So my masters is in playwriting 141 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: and theater, and I was writing plays and producing plays 142 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: and that was that was pretty much all I wanted 143 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: to do from the time I was fourteen years old, 144 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 3: and so trying to come up with something else to do, 145 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: it was like, well, everything I loved has kind. 146 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: Of been burned down. I don't really know where to 147 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: go from there. 148 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: And the thing about theater is you need an audience, 149 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: and if you don't have an audience, there's no point 150 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: really to making the work. 151 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: You can write all the scripts that you. 152 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: Want, you can do animations of them if you want, 153 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: but like, you need an audience. And I just did 154 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: not have the feeling that I in the community where 155 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: I was doing the kind of work I was doing, 156 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: I was pretty sure I had no audience left. 157 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 2: So that would that's the key thing that you need, 158 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: you know. 159 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I think it's such a good moment for something like that. Now, 160 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to spend the next, you know, 161 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: a few days trying to talk you into I mean, 162 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: I think the work that you do is amazing and 163 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: I love your just your style in general. You've always 164 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: been a really interesting follow for me on X and I. 165 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think the work you do a post 166 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: one it was fantastic, But I feel like you need 167 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: to be making plays for the stage, and it's such 168 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: a good moment for that. Our family, we don't watch 169 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: a lot of TV. I just I'm just I'm an 170 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: internet junkie. I'm not like better than anyone. I just 171 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I just channel my insanity in a different way. But 172 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: we started watching that House of David movie series recently, 173 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: and that's you know, made by conservatives. Yeah, we just 174 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: we've only we're only one episode in, but it's excellent 175 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: and it's you know, for families. But what all the 176 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: other things suggested to me on Netflix, We're all like America, 177 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: it's an amazing country, like just very very different than 178 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: what would have been suggested on Netflix even a year ago. 179 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: So I think I think this is your moment. 180 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we only really need fifty thousand dollars in 181 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: a theater space and we can get that's like going 182 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: easily done to invest in that. 183 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: Let's let's put it together. 184 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that is an investment that can absolutely happen. 185 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, see if we could do that, 186 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: what would you want to write about? Yeah? What were 187 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: your shows about? Like, what was your theme? 188 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: Did you have one? 189 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: I wrote about a lot of different things, and they, 190 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: you know, pretty different. I wrote satire about I wrote 191 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: this ridiculous satire that was a send up of everything 192 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: that they do to women. So there was trans abortion, 193 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: there was me too stuff in there. There was adoption, surrogacy, 194 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: like all of this crazy stuff. And it was two 195 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: hr reps sitting there going through like all having all 196 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: this crazy stuff happen with no other characters. 197 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: That was fun. I wrote replay about. 198 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: That would be such a hit, as you know. 199 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: I did one about domestic slavery in the United States 200 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: and that was really fascinating. There had actually been sometimes 201 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: I would pull stuff from the news and there had 202 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 3: been this long island couple. I remember they were from 203 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: Indonesia or something like that, and they had this perfume empire, 204 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: and so they would bring women from their hometown in 205 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: Indonesia and essentially enslave them in their home. So that was, 206 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: you know, uplifting a lot of but there was a 207 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: lot of stuff. 208 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: There is a lot of stuff. 209 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: My favorite play that I wrote was the last one 210 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: that got performed, and it was called I'm Not an Allegory. 211 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: These are people I know and you know, you know 212 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: from Brooklyn. 213 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: So it was about a bunch of people in Brooklyn 214 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: that were loosely connected and how they navigate their lives. 215 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: One of them needs a new job, one of them's 216 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: having sort of like a mental break because of childhood 217 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: trauma that she never dealt with. Somebody else is like 218 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 3: in love with his coworker and he's trying to take 219 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: her out, and all of the women in the show 220 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: kind of end. 221 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: Up meeting at a dance class. So it's a very 222 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: Brickland show. 223 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you miss Brooklyn? 224 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: I yeah, I love I love Brooklyn. I love New 225 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: York City. 226 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: My Famili's from New York City, going way back to 227 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: like the Italian immigrants coming over in the nineteen eighteen nineteen, 228 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: something like that twenty. My grandparents were born in Brooklyn, 229 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: my mom was born in Brooklyn, my son was born 230 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn. 231 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely miss it. 232 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: And I'm that person who's like always looking at the Zillow. 233 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: Like, what could I take aut to go back wuity 234 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: loan and buy a new buy place and have two places? 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I feel like, do the math on 236 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: a hotel before you do that. 237 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, right, this is I mean, whenever I. 238 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Think about any property anywhere, I start thinking like I 239 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: could live there, I could have a second house there, 240 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait, I could just stay there 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: in a hotel whenever I want to go. But yeah, 242 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, I obviously I missed the Brooklyn. I miss 243 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: old Brooklyn. I don't know that I miss Brooklyn right now. 244 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: But I miss actually your area where you lived Bay Ridge, 245 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot more than I miss where I lived, which 246 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: is Park Slope. Don't miss Park Slope at all. 247 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: Pretty different neighborhoods. 248 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: Although in my neighborhood right outside my building, because I 249 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: was I was on like right on Fifth Avenue and Ovington, 250 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: there's like it's a very Arab neighborhood. And every weekend 251 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: there were these like big anti Israel protests, and they 252 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: were just getting bigger, you know. 253 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they're a little. 254 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: Bigger, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I went to high 255 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: school in beer Ridge, it was a very Italian area. No, 256 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: I really did love it. It was it was a 257 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: great little neighborhood. So what's your life now in Can 258 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: I say where you live? 259 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? I live. I live in West Virginia. 260 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: Do you love it or what do you think? 261 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: I do love it. I love having my own house. 262 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: I love having a little piece of land. It's a 263 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: very New Yorker thing for me to say, like no 264 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: one can kick me out of my house, that no one. 265 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: Carries my rent. I love that. 266 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: That's great for me. I have my own parking space. 267 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: It's just right out of my house. 268 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: So good. 269 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: So these are basic things, but it is interesting. The 270 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: difference is just. 271 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: In lifestyle and what you expect. In New York everything 272 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: is about quality of life. And here it's like I 273 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: pay for my water separate and I pay for my 274 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: trash pick up separate. I just got a bill for 275 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: the ambulance service and I was like, I didn't take 276 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: an ambulance. Oh wait, I have to pay Yeah, every 277 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: it's like. 278 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: Wow, super our cart. 279 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: I took every libertarian fantasy over. 280 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: There, right, So, but I always I love where I am. 281 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: It's absolutely breathtakingly beautiful, and I love that I'm a 282 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: lot closer. 283 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: To DC now, so I do more like DC stuff. 284 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a warm spot for DC, I know. 285 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: But and you get to have kind of the best 286 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: of both worlds. You're in somewhere that you could get 287 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: to have land, you get to have. 288 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: A parking spot. 289 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I fully relate to the parking spot things. When I 290 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: am back in Brooklyn and my brother is like, I 291 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: have to go move the car, I'm like, oh, yeah, 292 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't miss that at all. 293 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: Or like you do that math, you'd be like, do 294 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: I move the car? Or do I figure they're not 295 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: going to tow it? And I'm just paying. 296 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: Sixty five bucks for parking this week. 297 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: It's like not that cheaper than a garage. 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: Right. 299 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: Whenever anybody would have that conversation and on the park 300 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: slope boards, like all these people would be like, that's 301 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: so wrong. You shouldn't do that, Like well the math maths, 302 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: as the kids say, you know, so what do you 303 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,479 Speaker 1: worry about? 304 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: What do I worry about? In terms of like I 305 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: worry about the future. I worry about aging. I'm going 306 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: to be fifty. 307 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: This year, and I find that I find that, oh thanks, 308 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: I just find that crazy, Like how could. 309 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: I be fifty? Like how can you see? Can that be? 310 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: I think that's nuts. 311 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: So I think about that, and I think about my 312 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: grandmom and my mom my grandmother's past. But my mom 313 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: is like seventy five something like that, and I think 314 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: about Like, so I think about that because mortality is 315 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: this crazy thing and you don't think about it for 316 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: your whole life. You run out into the street, you 317 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: don't think about anything. You do whatever crazy stuff comes 318 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: into your mind, and then suddenly you're like, wait, my 319 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: friends are having their knees and hits replaced? 320 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: What is what is is this about? Why is this happening? 321 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: So I write in terms of personal stuff. I think 322 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: about that, like what does aging look like? Is the 323 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: kid going to put me in a home? 324 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: I don't know. 325 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so interesting. 326 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: I worry about my son. 327 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: He's fifteen, and I worry about like getting him sort 328 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: of launched. 329 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: Into his life. 330 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, all of the tools that what tools can I 331 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: give him? You know, you can save money for them. 332 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: You can make sure you're teaching them stuff, but there's 333 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: like all these variables. You have no idea what might 334 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: possibly happen. 335 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't really. 336 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: Worry too much about like the broader anxieties of the world, 337 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 3: nuclear war, any of that stuff. Like if anything like 338 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: super crazy happens, it's almost a relief. You're like, oh, 339 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: I know, I don't have to worry about the stuff 340 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: that was bothering me anymore. 341 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: No worries about that. 342 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: Right now, it's all about foraging place moods now, just 343 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: looking for nothing and berries. 344 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: You know. 345 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I read too many books about Russia during World 346 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: War Two and end up looking at our pantry and 347 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: being like, how long can we survive on just what 348 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: we have here? Yeah, it's it's I mean, they, you know, 349 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: they were all starving to death, and that was not 350 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: that long ago and not you know, not such a 351 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: crazy thing to have happened. So yeah, I think we'd 352 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: be okay for at least a few weeks, maybe a 353 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: few months. 354 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a you know, I think i'd have 355 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: like a few months because there's also a ton of 356 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: flower You can always just make stuff. 357 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess I feel like a few months 358 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: of just we'll be eating like a little pasta every day. 359 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, my son jokes, because during the pandemic I started 360 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: doing like oh yeah. 361 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was doing like New York Prepper, right, 362 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: so it was like fake prepper. 363 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: I was like buying cases of pasta, which of course 364 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 3: doesn't do anything if the gas goes. 365 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: Out, but sure, yeah, yeah, raw. The Russians in my 366 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: war books would happily eat our raw pasta. 367 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: Raw passa. Yeah, yeah, I think about that. My son. 368 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: Actually, you just read nineteen eighty four for I think 369 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: the second time, and he's a little obsessed with. 370 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: It, and so we talk about a good one. Yeah, 371 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: it's good. 372 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: So we talked about some of those themes too. I 373 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: was like, next up, you have to read The Master 374 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: and Margarita. 375 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, is that a good one for you fifteen? 376 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually, a really good one is we 377 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: Bai Zimyatun. It's a similar theme to nineteen eighty four. 378 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: I have a fifteen year old also, my daughter, but 379 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: she's into like fantasy books. But I should get her 380 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: to read like nineteen eighty four soon. 381 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really I've foisted these on him. 382 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: It was like a little stack. Was that Brave New World? 383 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: Fahrenheit four fifty one? 384 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: Go read these and then then we'll have something to 385 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: talk about we have around here on my shelf somewhere. 386 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely check that one out. It's a 387 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: really good one. 388 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: So we're going to take a quick break and be 390 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Markoitch Show. What advice would 391 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: you give your sixteen year old self? What does sixteen 392 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: year old Liby need to know? 393 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: What does she need to know? 394 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: Oh? 395 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: Probably everything you know? Probably. 396 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: I think the best advice would be, no one's looking 397 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: at you, don't worry about it. 398 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: No one. You're not in a movie. No one is 399 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: paying attention to anything you think or what you do. 400 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: You have more freedom than that. 401 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: I didn't realize that until I was thirty two, and 402 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: that would have been a good lesson to know earlier. 403 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: No one cares that much about what other people are doing. 404 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: Everyone's obsessed with their own life. People are as obsessed 405 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: with their lives as you're obsessed with yours. 406 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: So just chow out. 407 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that would be really good advice for 408 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people on X because they think they 409 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: are the main character on there and you know, relax 410 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: a little with your Yeah. Yeah, as a teenager. It's 411 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: funny because I do you feel like teenagers today like that? 412 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that they are. Is it maybe because 413 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: they are watched all the time on like social media 414 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: that they don't feel like it. 415 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: That they don't feel like they're being watched Like. 416 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't get that sense. I mean I've only met 417 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: your son a few times, but does he feel like 418 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: everyone's like looking at him? You know, like the thing that, Yeah, 419 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: my daughter doesn't feel like that either. 420 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: So he's way he's like very chilled out in his life, 421 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: you know, and he he doesn't really want anything to 422 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: do with all of the online stuff. You know. 423 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: He'll tell me like, mom, stop scrolling, right. 424 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: I'll be like, you do scrolling And he's like, no, 425 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: I gave up scrolling ages ago. 426 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: I don't even scroll YouTube shorts anymore. Like, yeah, all right, 427 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: I will try to stop scrolling. 428 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: I was like, what do you do? He's like reading 429 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 3: a book mom. 430 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: Man, that is h Yeah. I get a lot of 431 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: that also from my kids, Like, you know, read a 432 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: book and don't scroll touch grass. That whole touch grass 433 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: for sure, but the whole like the whole little mini videos. 434 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: I really feel like they're so bad. It's so interesting 435 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: that he's identified that because I just don't feel like 436 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people see how bad those shorts are. 437 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: Like they say TikTok, but everything is TikTok. 438 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: Now it's everything. It's exit's Instagram. I had dinner. 439 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: I was actually in New York over the weekend, and 440 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: I had dinner with an old friend of mine. 441 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: We've been friends since high school. 442 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: And I said something to her about Instagram scrolling and 443 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: she was like, just stop, I can't even handle the 444 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: Instagram scrolling. 445 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: And she does too. She's like, it's crack, and my daughter, 446 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: it's up. It's the same. 447 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we are impacted by all this stuff that 448 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: it's designed to capture their attention, and it's not capturing 449 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 3: their attention, right, it's just holding us hostage instead. 450 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's us. And like the generation just below us, 451 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: like between us and our kids, is the generation I 452 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: think is most in trouble with it, like they are. 453 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: They just can't seem to, you know, have conversations. I 454 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: just I see them. They're they're hanging out together and 455 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: they're scrolling like just I don't know, no socialize. 456 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm disturbing too when you see kids together, well kids 457 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: the like twenties thirties at a restaurant and they're all 458 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: looking at their phones and not having a conversation. 459 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really wild that generation. I don't know, I'm 460 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: concerned about them, but I do think that next one 461 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: is kind of over it. And I've seen this somewhere 462 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: where people say like, it'll be the cool thing that 463 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: you're not on the Internet, and I already see that developing, 464 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: that the analog life is going to be what makes 465 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: you interesting. 466 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: Either that or they're actually just using the Internet to 467 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: talk to each other. Well, my son's best friend from Brooklyn, 468 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: his family moved to He moved to Morocco, which is 469 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: where his parents were from, even though he's American. And 470 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: I was like, he's got his passport right, like you 471 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: got don't leave anything behind. 472 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: He's going to need it to get home. 473 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's you know, my son will talk to 474 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: him and his brother. They're all really tight and they 475 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 3: talk on this right, So when my son's online. 476 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: He's usually just talking to his friends. And I'm kind 477 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: of I'm okay with that, right. 478 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a totally different thing than you know, because 479 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the conversations, like, you know, social media 480 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: is bad for kids, but I'm like social media barely 481 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: exists anymore. It's like all these mini videos. We're just 482 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: all carrying around televisions with us and like watching little episodes, 483 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: and you know, if somebody watched ten hours a day 484 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: of TV, we'd understand it's bad. But because it's on 485 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: our phones and small doses, it's like okay. 486 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: Somehow, yeah. 487 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: And there's all these weird things that pop up on 488 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: Instagram where it's like some horror, horrifying story from some 489 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: house in the middle of nowhere, and I'm always like, 490 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: because I do news, and I'm like, did that really happen? 491 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: And I go look it up and it's no, It's 492 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: just some fake thing for Instagram that I'm always talking about. 493 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: And you get the other thing too. 494 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure that you remember this, Like five years ago, 495 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: you could trust Twitter to give you news and you'd 496 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: be like, oh, that's a tip, let me go figure 497 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: out what's going on. I can report straight off Twitter. 498 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 3: And in the past like year or so, I appreciate 499 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: all of the free. 500 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: Speech angle of X one, But what I don't. 501 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: Like, are all of the influencer slash journalists who don't 502 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: actually do the digging, and so they'll throw something out 503 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: there and then you'll go to find it and it 504 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: doesn't really exist and you're like, oh, this was extrapolated. 505 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: It's not actually real. 506 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's extrapolated. I see that all the time. People 507 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: will post like breaking and then like a headline. I'm like, 508 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: oh my god, really and then I'll look it up 509 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: and no, not really at all. But that it didn't 510 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: actually happen. 511 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: Is that people are really quick to post and get 512 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: the clicks, which I think is in part driven by 513 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 3: Elon Musk's whole revenue thing, and so that's you know, 514 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: that's disconcerting. There's definitely accounts where it's like, oh, you 515 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: can take this to the bank, but not all of them, 516 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 3: and not always the biggest ones, you know. 517 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, how does it affect your business? Like, 518 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: how do you guys vet stories? 519 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: Well, you have to take something then go digging around. 520 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: We also work with and you know, as a senior 521 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: editor at Post Money. 522 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: Great. He's terrific. 523 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: He's smart, he's thoughtful, he knows what he's doing. So 524 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: there's definitely times when him like Andy, what is the 525 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: deal with this? 526 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? And sometimes and like you know, he 527 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: can help us because. 528 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: And he's thorough. He's very like I've had breaking news 529 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: in the past that I've like run by him because 530 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: he's not going to be the sensationalist just throw something 531 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: up to throw it up. Yeah, he's fantastic. 532 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: You guys, man, you're usually good. 533 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: Usually you'll post something if you get like an advance 534 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: and like watch for this because Carol's probably right, So 535 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: let's check that out. 536 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: There's a bunch that I did not post that I 537 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: haven't like when I've gotten breaking news and I didn't 538 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: post it because I could not like corroborate it or 539 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't really really say that it was one hundred percent, 540 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: so I didn't post it and lost the story. But 541 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, so what I rather be right, I'd rather 542 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: be right than first, is. 543 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: My you know. 544 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we go with too, is like, let's 545 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: we don't have to be first, we just have to 546 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: be right because if you're. 547 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: A news outlet, you lose your. 548 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: Credibility really quickly, and if you're an ex poster, it 549 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you lose your credibility because people are 550 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: still following and you're still getting it first, and you. 551 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: Know people will you'll still get. 552 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: What you want from it. So yeah, we go with 553 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: that too. We decide to be right, not first necessarily. 554 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: We also we work with Jack Pisovic. He's a senior 555 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: editor at Human Events, which is also under our media group. 556 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: And I'll ask Jack things, especially if it has to 557 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: do with national security or any kind of intelligent stuff, 558 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: and he'll often say stay frosty, and I'm like, okay, 559 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: I won't. 560 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: We'll just hold on. 561 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Also, you know, yeah, what to say frosty mean. 562 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: Say frosty means, don't do anything, don't jump on anything, 563 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 3: don't set your hair on fire. 564 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: Day, be chill, just be chill. 565 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: I like it, you know, don't freak out, hang on, 566 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: just wait for it. 567 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: Love it. 568 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 569 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: Well, I've loved this conversation. You are so fun. Leave 570 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: us here with your best tip for my listeners on 571 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives. 572 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: How to improve your lives. Exercise in the morning is 573 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: a good one. I hate exercising. I hate it so much. 574 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: Me too, I try and do it in the morning. 575 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: In the evening, I hate it all the time. 576 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: It's the worst, but I try and do it in 577 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: the morning and then no matter what happens for the 578 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: rest of the day, you can say like, well, I 579 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: did that. 580 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: See I did that thing. 581 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: I've got it. 582 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that and turmeric ginger tea. That's all I got. 583 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I like it. 584 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: Thank you. 585 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: She is Libby Emmon's editor in chief of Post Millennial. 586 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: Check out her work. She's fantastic. Thanks so much for 587 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: coming on, Lebby. Thanks so much, Carol, thanks so much 588 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. Subscribe wherever 589 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.