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Speaker 1: Heart Radio one eleven production, Season six, Episode three, The Ungraduate.
Speaker 1: I am joined by my illustrious colleague, just out of
Speaker 1: her multiple meetings in very short period of time, Amy Sugarman.
Speaker 1: She's eating lunch, She's eating dinner.
Speaker 3: Not eating lunch. I was eating a peanut butter filled pretzel.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had them? I have one lunch. I
Speaker 3: have one left to get me through the podcast.
Speaker 1: Can you say, can you save that for me? Thank you?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Have I mailed it.
Speaker 1: To three thousand miles away? I want that?
Speaker 3: Can I just give you a little? A little?
Speaker 1: Uh s h?
Speaker 3: I t for a second. So the other night you
Speaker 3: got the other it was five thirty wait, five thirty
Speaker 3: our time. Yeah, we're talking about a live show we're
Speaker 3: going to do with Scott. So you guys will hear
Speaker 3: about it soon and you'll be able to come. But
Speaker 3: so I'm texting with maybe Hannah, I can't remember our
Speaker 3: producer texting with somebody, and so I call Scott. I
Speaker 3: called you and you didn't answer, And then you text
Speaker 3: me back and you're all it's eleven thirty. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm right eleven thirty PM, Like you were like falling
Speaker 3: asleep right, You're like, I can't talk. It's eleven thirty.
Speaker 3: So whoever was on the phone with We're like thirty
Speaker 3: six thirty sirty, nine thirty it was it was our
Speaker 3: producer Hannah and we're like nine thirty right, Like he's what?
Speaker 3: He give you so much grief? Sit back and we're like, dude,
Speaker 3: it's nine thirty and you're a flea.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How many times do I text you at nine
Speaker 1: am my time and it's five am your time and
Speaker 1: I don't hear from you. You're like, hey, hey, I
Speaker 1: need a response. And it's like these people just got
Speaker 1: in from partying. Am I what am I texting them for?
Speaker 3: People laugh because I have to set an alarm for
Speaker 3: ten thirty in the morning, and they're like what and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I won't wake up normally when You're
Speaker 3: like I'm here with the team, but everybody is coming in.
Speaker 3: Suzanne's coming and Tara had a meeting, so the team
Speaker 3: is just me and Scott.
Speaker 1: We're the team. So we're bringing it to you.
Speaker 3: There's no. Two in team.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pick up the slack. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're capable. You'll be the judge. You'll let
Speaker 1: us know you're not shy. Always let us know. We
Speaker 1: love that. Just keep it.
Speaker 3: Coming, you guys. Is you guys behind the scenes. Because
Speaker 3: the other thing.
Speaker 1: Is podcast, you're required to wear a cod piece. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Scott. Just finished watching the episode, so right before we
Speaker 3: go on, we kind of like remind ourselves, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's what.
Speaker 1: I can't remember it. I have no idea what happened.
Speaker 3: I might need my notes I seconds ago, so I
Speaker 3: think I'll be okay.
Speaker 1: No, I actually watch it, and then I took a shower.
Speaker 3: Oh you, I did too.
Speaker 1: I took a shower, took I took the hottest shower
Speaker 1: I could stand because I needed it, because because I
Speaker 1: because I did the I did the pop culture sweaty
Speaker 1: from the gym. I need a shower because we broke
Speaker 1: it up today, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so now.
Speaker 3: They're getting the threat we're getting everyone's getting. We just
Speaker 3: watched it and we're fresh and clean. It's like, what
Speaker 3: more could they come on?
Speaker 1: Right? Clean memory, clean bodies. You know. I won't mention
Speaker 1: the souls.
Speaker 3: By the way, how's it to be a big TV
Speaker 3: star again? Your show premiere?
Speaker 1: Well, I must say it's I've been getting a lot
Speaker 1: of texts and emails and really now it's just really,
Speaker 1: it's really fun and great and people are great, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I haven't heard from in
Speaker 1: a long time. So here's the synopsis. Ready, I'm going
Speaker 1: to synopsize, so ready the ungraduate air date September twenty seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. The construction crew working on Laurel's
Speaker 1: house drives Luke crazy. Paris is having weekly lunches at
Speaker 1: the end with Laurel, which is affecting the morale of
Speaker 1: the Inn staff. Rory starts working for Emily at the
Speaker 1: Daughters of the American Revolution, and Logan returns from his
Speaker 1: European trip his summer hiatus, and Lane's band heads home
Speaker 1: after a successful tour. Directed by Michael Zendberg, written by
Speaker 1: David Rosenthal and you know, Amy, Uh. Before we get
Speaker 1: into this, I just want to say thank you to everybody,
Speaker 1: all the great Gilmore fans who migrated over to watch
Speaker 1: the premiere Sullivan's Crossing last night on the CW eight
Speaker 1: o'clock Wednesday nights, Cozy Wednesdays. We've got blankets, We've got
Speaker 1: and they can stream it too on the CW app
Speaker 1: if they didn't if they missed it. So but it
Speaker 1: was just so great to hear from everybody, and I
Speaker 1: got so many d MS and emails and phone calls
Speaker 1: and texts, and uh, just really thrilled to be back
Speaker 1: with the CW and helping be a small part of
Speaker 1: the relaunch and the Rebrandy big part.
Speaker 3: It's so great and Tristan and Luke are reunited.
Speaker 1: What a great team. CW has just got a great
Speaker 1: team of people in their marketing and PR executive suite.
Speaker 1: It's it's just fantastic and you know them all the time.
Speaker 1: They're super pros.
Speaker 3: The people I'm dealing with Onan's crossing I knew from
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, crazy right, And.
Speaker 3: They're congrats to you.
Speaker 1: It's so great, Thank you, thank and also make sure
Speaker 1: to check out I'm going to be at the Galaxy
Speaker 1: Con in Columbus, Ohio, December second and third. I'm also
Speaker 1: going to be in Detroit, a little outside of Detroit
Speaker 1: at the Motor City Comic Con, which is November ten,
Speaker 1: eleven twelve. I'll be there, so check that out anyway.
Speaker 1: So I was so particularly interested in this episode because
Speaker 1: David Rosenthal has taken a lot of heat because he's
Speaker 1: the one that inherited the show season seven. Interesting, he's
Speaker 1: been getting lamb baseded or or you know, taking the
Speaker 1: blame because the tone was off and this was often
Speaker 1: a lot of fans, you know, thought that Stevens season
Speaker 1: seven wasn't as strong as as a previous season. So
Speaker 1: I was particularly curious to see this episode because he
Speaker 1: wrote it. And I gotta tell you something, Amy, I
Speaker 1: thought it was one of the top five episodes. It
Speaker 1: was fantastic on every level that I agree, seamless and great,
Speaker 1: and I was rolling all over the carpet as I
Speaker 1: was doing some ab work.
Speaker 3: Okay, fabulous.
Speaker 1: I had to stop on several times just to start
Speaker 1: roaring laughing.
Speaker 3: I feel the same. I thought, I have one scene
Speaker 3: that I'll criticize. There's one scene that I just thought
Speaker 3: Rory was off and I can explain maybe why. So
Speaker 3: I was like taken out of it in that scene. Otherwise,
Speaker 3: I thought every single part of this episode was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the monologues were and I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the first. And I know the fans think Luke has
Speaker 1: some funny lines here and there, and he's funny and
Speaker 1: all that, and the rants and all that. I've never
Speaker 1: been sort of LAURELEI Gilmour funny before I had. I
Speaker 1: think I did a couple of times pop a few
Speaker 1: lines in here that actually made me laugh out loud,
Speaker 1: like that's that was really great.
Speaker 3: It's funny to say that, because I thought this particular
Speaker 3: episode was funnier. They're all funny, right, and obviously when
Speaker 3: the Paladinos right, it's really funny. This one is up there.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of lines in the episode that
Speaker 3: are hilarious.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I totally agree.
Speaker 1: So David Rosenthal, if you're listening to this, kudos to you.
Speaker 1: You didn't deserve to take that level of criticism. But
Speaker 1: the one thing our fans are they are honest, and
Speaker 1: that's why we love them. And but I tell you,
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's keep it real here. This guy
Speaker 1: hit it out of the park with this episode. This
Speaker 1: is one of the great Gilmour right.
Speaker 3: The Gatelanka is a great addition to funny stuff because
Speaker 3: right in that first scene, the dog's in the chair.
Speaker 3: First of all, you have to bring the muffins over.
Speaker 3: It's all the boys are in the kitchen, everyone's getting
Speaker 3: their breakfast. The whole thing's got a lot of movement,
Speaker 3: a lot of Right from the start, You're like, is
Speaker 3: that a dog in the chair. That's Paul Anker's chair.
Speaker 3: And I was laughing right from then.
Speaker 1: And even the heap alien stuff was hysterical.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I never found that particularly funny. I you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was cute. I thought it was charming.
Speaker 1: But as far as you know, making me laugh out lot,
Speaker 1: I mean Gill's line to the pastor.
Speaker 3: It's Sebastian Bach.
Speaker 1: He is so what I mean. But the dialogue was hysterical.
Speaker 1: So you know, if Jesus came back, he'd be hooking
Speaker 1: up with you. First, dude, you're because you're awesome. I
Speaker 1: mean what I just roared.
Speaker 3: Sebastian Bach is so awesome when he's driving that van, huh.
Speaker 3: I was literally like, First of all, it looked like
Speaker 3: he was coming out of the window. I was like,
Speaker 3: these people are not properly buckled, Like they are.
Speaker 1: Not buckled in more than one folks.
Speaker 3: Those those old volkswagons were like that where the window
Speaker 3: was right like the driver's was.
Speaker 1: Very close to the steering wheel and it's kind of
Speaker 1: straight awesome. It was great, What a great episode. I'm
Speaker 1: actually going to watch it again after we get off here,
Speaker 1: because I just I missed a lot of stuff so.
Speaker 3: Fast. Even the bit about TJ as over the top
Speaker 3: as it is, I actually believe it, Like that's what's
Speaker 3: so funny that Lorelei and Luke are so sweet that
Speaker 3: they actually probably would pay that's a lot of money too.
Speaker 3: I will say they're paying a lot of money to
Speaker 3: TJ to make him think he's the contractor and it
Speaker 3: fully tracks like that was hysterical, and him going around
Speaker 3: and telling everybody what to do and paying Tom extra
Speaker 3: to not reveal that he's actually the I'm dead, I'm dead.
Speaker 1: The mystic hamra bit was classic.
Speaker 3: Oh there's a funny line that Luke has right from
Speaker 3: the top about but you're related to him or just
Speaker 3: because Liz married him, Like.
Speaker 1: It's like so good.
Speaker 3: The whole incident with the shower, Okay, so Lorlai gets
Speaker 3: caught by all the guys in the shower and she's
Speaker 3: like Joe Pete slim Billy had a really straight shot
Speaker 3: teddy too. And then when the guy gives you the
Speaker 3: the nod mm hmmm, the other like construction guy gives
Speaker 3: you the nod like yeah, way to go, And then
Speaker 3: she had the line, no one sees the goods but you.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they made a reference to that Dustin
Speaker 1: Hoffman movie that he made early in his career and
Speaker 1: the English countryside where he and his wife, his beautiful wife.
Speaker 1: He's a college professor or something, his beautiful wife played
Speaker 1: by I think Britt Eklund, I'm not sure, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And so they were having some more done on the
Speaker 1: house or outside the house, and it was a very
Speaker 1: very dark drama about these handyman who who broke into
Speaker 1: the house and no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and whoa I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1: Did horrible things to the wife, Oh gosh, and all this.
Speaker 1: So I'm one of the glad glad you brought I
Speaker 1: brought that up, aren't you. Everybody? Just to lighten them
Speaker 1: on a little bit, We're like.
Speaker 3: It's the funniest episode ever.
Speaker 1: Let's because because the reason the reason I thought about
Speaker 1: it was because you know, the juxtaposition right right right,
Speaker 1: Luke and how he was treating the workers. And there
Speaker 1: in his house now and she's putting on a show
Speaker 1: and they've seen her nake in the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: it's just such a safe world right where it's the
Speaker 1: opposite of the Dustin Hoffins.
Speaker 3: And there's amazing face acting in this whole episode too.
Speaker 1: They call it face acting. People to understand different, Is
Speaker 1: there a different category between regular acting and face acting.
Speaker 3: Because it's all acting so correct?
Speaker 1: I understand, we we but we get acting from body language,
Speaker 1: we get it from vibe, we get it from tone.
Speaker 3: Like myself, okay, considers acting talking No face acting is
Speaker 3: no talking.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense, I know.
Speaker 3: But just go with the face acting because you've got
Speaker 3: some great face acting. There's the whole there's good face
Speaker 3: acting here with the that the boys saw her naked,
Speaker 3: and then there's some really good face acting, which we'll
Speaker 3: get to later in that sort of monologue that Laura
Speaker 3: I has about picking up the dog, trying to convince
Speaker 3: you to take the dog. Oh, the paul Anka stuff,
Speaker 3: And this is amazing.
Speaker 1: You know how you do good face acting?
Speaker 3: You act? No, you listen, Yeah, you've taught us that before.
Speaker 1: Good acting is good listening. You've gotta you have to
Speaker 1: listen to your partner, your scene part You gotta just
Speaker 1: listen to them, listen to what they say. I guarantee
Speaker 1: the rest takes care of itself. You don't have to
Speaker 1: do anything. You just listen. You act with your ears.
Speaker 3: Everybody listening to this podcast interacting.
Speaker 1: It's not facing excited the head acting.
Speaker 3: Everybody right now. I was like, no, wonder, Amy's such
Speaker 3: a terrible actor because I'm so bad at listening. They
Speaker 3: definitely don't like when I interrupt. But I don't mean
Speaker 3: to interrupt. I get excited in the conversation. So I
Speaker 3: love the ping ponging.
Speaker 1: What did I tell you from day one? What did
Speaker 1: I tell you I wanted from this podcast?
Speaker 3: Have fun?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and play jazz, play.
Speaker 3: Jazz, thank you. Yes, be a little bit behind.
Speaker 1: The music, be a little bit ahead of the music.
Speaker 1: It never be all.
Speaker 3: I love that descriptor for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how I love that. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. So it's like we're
Speaker 1: the Miles Davis of the I think we.
Speaker 3: Have such a good time talking about these episodes. So
Speaker 3: I will have one. I have a couple criticisms of
Speaker 3: this episode, one being come on, Emily, you know the
Speaker 3: difference between a blueberry and a raspberry. They don't even
Speaker 3: look alike.
Speaker 1: So that was a little okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So we go to the scene where they're having breakfast,
Speaker 3: and look, I think Rory should go back to Yale.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculously insane that she's not at Yale. And we
Speaker 3: can talk about that later, but I still like their scenes.
Speaker 3: I love the poolhouse is the most amazing living space
Speaker 3: for Rory. It's freaking beautiful. I want to eat breakfast
Speaker 3: with Emily every day. That being said, she should go
Speaker 3: back to Yale, but I love that she's talking with
Speaker 3: Emily about constants and the dar and Rory's on the
Speaker 3: inside and there is there are there's some fun to
Speaker 3: what they're doing. I just wish it was summer and
Speaker 3: this was summer only and that she went back to Yale.
Speaker 3: But I'll still enjoy the whole thing. So the nursing home,
Speaker 3: oh oh Graves. That scene. Yeah, yeah, it's precious, like
Speaker 3: it's literally precious. But anyway, we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 3: So another sort of through line in this episode is
Speaker 3: Paris and Paris and Lorealized lunches and how she's terrorizing
Speaker 3: everyone at the Dragonfly. So what did you what do
Speaker 3: you kind of think about that? And Michelle being so.
Speaker 1: I just say it was some of Michelle's best stuff
Speaker 1: that I have seen. What he did, the he did,
Speaker 1: he did the sound effects. What did he do?
Speaker 3: He did some sound the Wizard of Oz music I
Speaker 3: can't do. I don't have the tune in my head.
Speaker 1: So do I feel some ice called wind coming down
Speaker 1: the path? I mean? This guy? The dialogue was so great.
Speaker 1: It was so funny.
Speaker 3: Is she gone? The whole thing is so funny. And
Speaker 3: then there's also that moment. The thing I love about
Speaker 3: Gilmore girls in this episode in particular, they don't overseell
Speaker 3: the joke, right like when he's doing the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3: They don't mention it further, just that thing. And did
Speaker 3: you see the part where all the servers come running
Speaker 3: into the kitchen like together.
Speaker 1: I saw. I was watching episode. Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 3: I thought all of it was.
Speaker 1: Great, great great detail, great humor, great stuff. David Rosenthal
Speaker 1: did a great job, and.
Speaker 3: I understand why Laura l I. Okay, so we're going
Speaker 3: a little out of order today, but forgive us we're
Speaker 3: off the rails. But the part where we sorry Paris
Speaker 3: and Lourlai are having lunch, I think it's the second
Speaker 3: line un and Paris talks about talking to Rory and
Speaker 3: that she's got this job, and immediately Laura is like
Speaker 3: what what job? Well, she was at her office? What office?
Speaker 3: And they have that sort of back and forth, and
Speaker 3: then Paris kind of gets upset, like are you only
Speaker 3: having lunch with me to have get intel? And then
Speaker 3: of course Laura's like, no, no, no, we can have
Speaker 3: lunch anytime. It's all pretty real, like I understand Lauraai
Speaker 3: why she's having lunch with Paris, and I get why
Speaker 3: Paris wants that connection to LAURAAI, and that Laurlai wants
Speaker 3: to know what's going on with Rory and this is
Speaker 3: kind of a mess. And she finally says to Luke,
Speaker 3: I'm not picking a wedding date until things are sorted out.
Speaker 3: Like there's the whole episode Hilary's with actual emotion and heaviness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that bugged me a little bit. I thought that
Speaker 1: really one flaw in the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was too out of nowhere and very
Speaker 3: much out.
Speaker 1: Of nowhere, And boy, that hit him hard and he
Speaker 1: covered you.
Speaker 3: So I have a theory on it. My take on
Speaker 3: it is very similar, and I this is interesting. I
Speaker 3: think the reason you didn't love it is the same
Speaker 3: reason I love the proposal, because I think what's happening
Speaker 3: is she's staring at you as you say, this is
Speaker 3: what happened to the dog. The dog ate the chocolate.
Speaker 3: I had to carry the dog that was closed. I
Speaker 3: went to his house. The dog barfed. I fed him
Speaker 3: water with a spoon, like all the things that you did,
Speaker 3: Very similar to when you're talking about we're going to
Speaker 3: solve this problem with Rory. We'll go to Yale. We'll
Speaker 3: drag her there, you know, and she's staring at you
Speaker 3: with so much love. It's when she realizes, like, I
Speaker 3: love this guy so much. This guy puts his entire
Speaker 3: life aside for my kid, for my dog. So that's
Speaker 3: when she wants to say to you, as soon as
Speaker 3: things are good with Rory and I will pick a
Speaker 3: wedding date. Because she doesn't want you to wonder why
Speaker 3: she hasn't done it.
Speaker 1: Has it done?
Speaker 3: What picked the wedding date? So you, guys, because remember
Speaker 3: it's acknowledged earlier in the etshole.
Speaker 1: That is a considerate act I did.
Speaker 3: I think she's saying, hey, I'm not picking the wedding
Speaker 3: date for anything that has to do with you and me.
Speaker 3: It's because I want to be good with Rory for
Speaker 3: our wedding. And I actually think Luke's like, I got it,
Speaker 3: thank you, know almost, thank you for talking about this,
Speaker 3: so I know why we haven't talked about it, and
Speaker 3: I don't have to bring up the elephant in the room.
Speaker 3: And then he gets it. This is so big and
Speaker 3: special to her. She wants her kid there, she wants
Speaker 3: to be good with her kids. So I see why
Speaker 3: it irritated you, because the same reason the proposal irritates you,
Speaker 3: because you're seeing it from a different perspective. For me,
Speaker 3: I'm seeing Loralai looking at you, going, this guy just
Speaker 3: carried my dog like it was a baby all over
Speaker 3: and held it while it vomited all over and this
Speaker 3: guy is everything. Same thing as though, will you marry me?
Speaker 3: In my opinion, same scene, different day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a beautiful moment. Anyway, Hey Suzanne, how
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: Sorry internet catastrophe over here.
Speaker 1: It's never happened to us. It's just I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Jus Anne had my back? Did you hear what I
Speaker 3: was saying?
Speaker 4: I heard the end of it, So fill me in
Speaker 4: on the first part.
Speaker 1: Just that Laurelized has an excuse to delay setting a
Speaker 1: wedding date. What do you think? What do you think? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because I want to be right with Rory
Speaker 1: and all that, and you know there's you can make
Speaker 1: an argument for that, sure, But how'd you feel about it?
Speaker 4: I can see kind of both sides of it, because
Speaker 4: I can see why she would want everything to be
Speaker 4: right with Rory before actually getting married.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: That is enough to postpone setting the date, like you
Speaker 4: could say, seventy a year in the future, right and
Speaker 4: make sure everything kind of works herself out before then.
Speaker 4: So I definitely agree with her that she should have
Speaker 4: that because I couldn't imagine her having a wedding to
Speaker 4: Luke while she's not speaking to Rory, Like you can't
Speaker 4: not have Rory at your well, Okay, I don't want
Speaker 4: to have any spoilers, but why I'm not going to
Speaker 4: continue that thought. But she wouldn't in a million years
Speaker 4: have a wedding to Luke without Rory being there, So
Speaker 4: I can see that side of it, but I don't
Speaker 4: know that it would be enough to delay setting the date.
Speaker 4: But I think maybe what I'm reading between the lines here,
Speaker 4: Scott is you're thinking that she's trying to postpone, like
Speaker 4: she's trying to delay being together with Luke, and this
Speaker 4: is a convenient reason to do that. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I would go that far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get why Scott sees it because it's very
Speaker 3: similar to the proposal and why that wasn't your dream proposal.
Speaker 3: It lands on you a little badly where I see
Speaker 3: her love for him because of the dog, and so
Speaker 3: she is saying, hey, this is why I haven't done it.
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with her not being thrilled
Speaker 3: about this engagement, it's my take.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that too, right, Like she's saying,
Speaker 4: this is why I'm delaying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know what I think this comes
Speaker 1: down to. It comes down to perception of reality, and
Speaker 1: that I ask you, honestly and everybody out there, do
Speaker 1: you think a show is stronger when we know there's
Speaker 1: two clear leads in this show, Rory and Laura Lai.
Speaker 1: That's whose po V we're taking this journey with. Really
Speaker 1: we are not going to take the le Luke po
Speaker 1: V on this journey. Ever. It will always be, as
Speaker 1: you know, a side hustle. Right, He's never gonna he's
Speaker 1: never gonna drive his own narrative. He's never ever, no
Speaker 1: other character in that show is going to get the
Speaker 1: POV point of view from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really fascinating question.
Speaker 1: But in this instance, I think it was a time
Speaker 1: when maybe a Luke po V would have actually made
Speaker 1: the show better. I'm not saying that for every episode,
Speaker 1: or even the majority of the episodes. I'm saying in
Speaker 1: this instance, maybe the narrative could have shifted and the
Speaker 1: po V could have shifted a lit little bit toward Luke,
Speaker 1: where you know, we get to see it from a
Speaker 1: fresh perspective. I really thought thought it was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that I want
Speaker 1: to be the master of the show and it's got
Speaker 1: to be all about me. But I think the character
Speaker 1: earned it, earned a POV on this one, and they
Speaker 1: never gave it to him. So that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a really interesting thought because when
Speaker 3: you said that, I realize I only watched this show
Speaker 3: from Lorealize perspective. I don't even watch it from Rory's
Speaker 3: I'm always Lorealized perspective. And because I like her so
Speaker 3: much and I want to be her essentially, I'm good
Speaker 3: with that because even when I watch Rory's stuff, I'm
Speaker 3: watching it to me sort of Morelaurli. So I don't
Speaker 3: that's my take. Was like, even with it being Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 3: it's always to me Laura La M. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: a different show if we saw it from Luke's perspective.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Susanna said, did I propose something
Speaker 1: preposterous and off base the universe into a spiral of hell?
Speaker 4: I think you're right, And I think we did get
Speaker 4: a little bit of that in the last episode with
Speaker 4: the whole conversation on the roof and how he's telling
Speaker 4: her like, Hey, I know this is the thing between
Speaker 4: you and Rory, but I'm caught in the middle because
Speaker 4: he look both of them and he wants both of
Speaker 4: them to be happy and both of them to have
Speaker 4: their needs met, And nobody was thinking about how Luke
Speaker 4: was in the middle of this. So I think we
Speaker 4: did get a little bit of that in the last episode.
Speaker 4: But I think maybe you're right about the wedding piece
Speaker 4: of it. You know, we could have gotten a little
Speaker 4: more of his viewpoint about the the prospect of marriage
Speaker 4: and when that was going to happen and that.
Speaker 3: Piece of it.
Speaker 4: So I can see that point of view, but I
Speaker 4: also agree with Amy. I tend to watch it from
Speaker 4: loraalized point of view. Also, just because I was already
Speaker 4: the first time I watched my show, the show, I
Speaker 4: was already forty, so I wore that like in that
Speaker 4: sixteen year old, you know, high school slash college student mode.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was I was. I think I was
Speaker 3: thirty almost thirty, So I always related to her much more,
Speaker 3: which is why my crush on Logan is kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3: But I think it's because Zukri is my age. He
Speaker 3: played younger. Speaking of I have such a comment about
Speaker 3: Zukri in this.
Speaker 1: Well, look not to be labor the point. Let's let's
Speaker 1: get to it. You know, we don't want to stay
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 3: No, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought i'd introduce it a little bit, but
Speaker 1: you know, let's move on and continue with the episode.
Speaker 3: So we Okay, let's talk about Rory at the DAR
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think I like it, but I
Speaker 3: don't like it, And especially at the end there, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is just sad. They're all at Yale and she's
Speaker 3: at the DAR. I like it that she had the office.
Speaker 3: I love that she's now, you know, taking control of
Speaker 3: the community service too. She's like the big leader of
Speaker 3: the community service, which leads me back to why are
Speaker 3: we even here? Because she she is a leader, she
Speaker 3: is successful. Why does she care what Mitcham said? It
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, like but whatever. The one thing I
Speaker 3: didn't like I thought the Constant stuff was a little
Speaker 3: bit mean. The whole thing, the spying on Constance, the
Speaker 3: woman at the DAR that Emily doesn't like, and her
Speaker 3: pill like the Altoyd's box that was filled with reals.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was mean?
Speaker 3: It was a little too gossipy and mean for me, Like,
Speaker 3: why are we judging this poor Constant woman. I get it,
Speaker 3: maybe she's terrible, but like, I don't want to judge
Speaker 3: her Altoid's box with pills and it just felt a
Speaker 3: little I got the gist and that it was funny
Speaker 3: and gossip on the side.
Speaker 1: I think this is where somebody steps in and says, hey,
Speaker 1: come on, it's just fun the TV show.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a little it was a joke.
Speaker 1: It was a jokey joke thing that was that I
Speaker 1: don't know played out for me. It's it matched the
Speaker 1: spirit of the writing and the show, this particular show,
Speaker 1: because it was easy, breezy, you know. That's what I
Speaker 1: loved about what David Rosenthal did. He he really interwove the
Speaker 1: drama with the humor and it quite a seamless way,
Speaker 1: I agree, And it really made the humor pop even
Speaker 1: more because it didn't you know, you didn't have to
Speaker 1: stand in the drama line because now you're getting drama,
Speaker 1: and you didn't have to stand in the humor line
Speaker 1: because now you're getting humor interwoven. He married the two
Speaker 1: together in a way that you rarely say. So that's
Speaker 1: that's impressive. Feat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I want to hear what Suzanne's perspective is.
Speaker 3: For me, Rory's getting a little too sucked into Emily's world,
Speaker 3: even the negative of it. So it was just I
Speaker 3: think she's getting just hooked into this sort of ladies
Speaker 3: who lunch with money thing. She's a little too comfortable
Speaker 3: with it for me. I mean, she really is.
Speaker 4: Emily's due over. And we've seen over the past couple
Speaker 4: seasons that Rory fits into that Emily lifestyle pretty readily,
Speaker 4: Like she kind of fights it a little bit at first,
Speaker 4: but she pretty much enjoys it, and we really see
Speaker 4: in this episode that she is kind of underneath she's
Speaker 4: still that same Rory that was, you know, a go getter,
Speaker 4: and she's taken charge of all the people that are
Speaker 4: picking up trash, and you know, she's gone from fighting
Speaker 4: with the people to you know, directing them where to
Speaker 4: pick up trash and what supplies they need and all that.
Speaker 3: So that was hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 4: And one thing about that trash scene, I noticed that
Speaker 4: when the one girl says that they're going to go
Speaker 4: for pizza, the girls are going to go for pizza,
Speaker 4: and the guy walks up and says, I want to
Speaker 4: go and she says, are you a girl? That I
Speaker 4: couldn't remember why that guy looked so familiar to me,
Speaker 4: and so I looked it up.
Speaker 3: He wasn't.
Speaker 4: He was in a previous episode. He was a children's student.
Speaker 4: Now in my brain I'm thinking, okay, that's another children's
Speaker 4: student that committed a felony and now he's doing community
Speaker 4: serv Oh my god. I think it's supposed to be
Speaker 4: a different character. But it just made me laugh because
Speaker 4: I'm like, something funny together in my head.
Speaker 1: Good catch.
Speaker 4: Wow, guy looks so familiar.
Speaker 1: Go get another call from the lawyer again.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of little tidbits, I have a tidbit. Okay,
Speaker 3: So the scene where Paris calls Rory at work. So
Speaker 3: first Rory's on the phone. Do you know what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say, Susana. Rory's on the phone with like a customer,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you'd call him, a dar potential lady.
Speaker 3: And she's talking to the lady and she puts her
Speaker 3: on hold. Okay, then she does never went back to her.
Speaker 3: She just hung the phone up. I was like, is
Speaker 3: that intentional that she's supposed to be hanging let me
Speaker 3: put you on hold, flick. Maybe that's the joke, Maybe
Speaker 3: that's the thing that it's supposed to be, like, let
Speaker 3: me put you on hold. But then she hangs up
Speaker 3: on her, because this lady clearly is not a daughter
Speaker 3: of the revolution, right, But I was like, either that
Speaker 3: or she's so bad at her job. She forgot to
Speaker 3: go back and get her. But I think now, I
Speaker 3: think you're right, Susanne. It's that she didn't put her
Speaker 3: on hold. She just said she wasn't hung up on her.
Speaker 4: That's actually not what I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 4: I thought I thought you were going to talk about
Speaker 4: Rory Gilmore sex book.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was funny too.
Speaker 4: Ye did anybody else google that? Because I did?
Speaker 3: And the no tell us? What is it that somebody.
Speaker 4: Apparently bought that domain? And if you go to Rory
Speaker 4: Gilmour sexbot dot com there's a little like thirty second
Speaker 4: video it's pretty hilarious.
Speaker 3: Still, that's amazing. I love people that are like brilliantly.
Speaker 4: Probably not a lot of competition for it.
Speaker 3: What's website where you can buy the domains? Go Daddy? Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, you're just literally renting something from go Daddy
Speaker 3: that's free. I don't know whatever. So okay, I have
Speaker 3: to talk about it. Let's talk about the scene with
Speaker 3: Rory and Logan. So first of all, darling when Logan
Speaker 3: comes into the nursing home, the dancing is darling. The
Speaker 3: the funny lines, this like the whole that whole scene
Speaker 3: is adorable and makes me like wish like I said
Speaker 3: that it was just a summer and this was her
Speaker 3: summer jobs, because I love seeing her in that element.
Speaker 3: It's just when I go, oh my gosh, she's doing
Speaker 3: community service because she stole a yacht.
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of unprofessional though, like her
Speaker 4: she's making kind of at work and then her boyfriend
Speaker 4: comes in and he's like smooching all over her. I
Speaker 4: don't know, I.
Speaker 3: I thought of that, But I also thought it was
Speaker 3: so cute because I'm like, here he is and with
Speaker 3: all these grannies, and it's so cute. The grannies and
Speaker 3: the granpies are all having such a good time with
Speaker 3: the day thing and they don't want their you know,
Speaker 3: orange juice break. It was really cute. Fast forward to
Speaker 3: the scene of Rory and Logan. Obviously they've just done it.
Speaker 1: Or you could you could use the term post coital
Speaker 1: I did. They've just done it.
Speaker 3: I would say it they did a Mather on the couch. Literally,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what they're talking about, because all
Speaker 3: I saw was Matt Zuker's arm pit.
Speaker 4: I can honestly say I was not paying attention to
Speaker 4: the armpits in that scene.
Speaker 1: No, what Amy is referring to is the is the
Speaker 1: the curvature of his muscular shoulders and.
Speaker 3: Truth, truth, that just me truth, but also just this
Speaker 3: was his arm the whole scene. And I'm just like, bro,
Speaker 3: all I I can't even see your face, Like anyway,
Speaker 3: That's the only scene that I thought Rory was a
Speaker 3: bit Why do I say this? That almost like Alexis
Speaker 3: was reading the script instead of being Rory, because she's like,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go blue, Like I just was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we were talking a couple episodes ago about
Speaker 4: her voice, this completely highlighted that. For me, I was
Speaker 4: not a fan of this scene at all. I think
Speaker 4: you know, I I think Alexis is great, but this
Speaker 4: was not her best work. And I agree this was
Speaker 4: not Rory's best work either. She sounded kind of spoiled
Speaker 4: and entitled, and she's when she said what did she say?
Speaker 4: She's like, I've got my work, I've got my new pad.
Speaker 4: I'm like your grandma's poolhouse. Tell your new bad break.
Speaker 3: Dude, agree that scene. I was like, you sound like
Speaker 3: an income poop, like you were at Yale and you're
Speaker 3: saying to your boyfriend, Like, I don't mind if you
Speaker 3: talk about Yale. I've got my work, Like, what is she? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I agree, that's the point though, isn't that the point
Speaker 1: that she's that she's she's a bit delusional, she's not
Speaker 1: really seeing, you know, kidding herself, kidding her self. She
Speaker 1: doesn't realize how far she's fallen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that was you know, mitcham Huntsberger really you know,
Speaker 1: laid the gloves on her, knocked her out, and this
Speaker 1: is the result.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Yeah, I think you're right, Scott, because we
Speaker 3: that scene was so.
Speaker 1: I empathized with her often. If it was supposed to
Speaker 1: make us feel sorry for a root for maybe it
Speaker 1: didn't achieve that for y'all, but I understood what they
Speaker 1: were going for, so I forgave it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, I think you're I think you're right, Scott.
Speaker 3: I think I didn't realize that when I was watching it,
Speaker 3: because I wrote down insane, insane, and then I wrote
Speaker 3: not my favorite scene. And I think maybe that was intentional.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to think what is wrong with her? You
Speaker 3: sound like an idiot?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was just to show that she
Speaker 4: really is in denial. She's trying to convince herself as
Speaker 4: much as she's trying to convince Logan that.
Speaker 3: Hey, I moved on.
Speaker 4: Everything's good. And I think I think that I agree.
Speaker 4: That was the point of that scene.
Speaker 1: And she did say a couple of times that she
Speaker 1: was not going back to Yale, and it sounded like forever,
Speaker 1: I'm never going on.
Speaker 3: Totally, which also was insane, which yeah, Yale was a
Speaker 3: good time, but good time in my life, but I'm
Speaker 3: not going back. And it's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Like you're at Yale woman, Like who go and take
Speaker 3: take a different career path? Like what are you? It's
Speaker 3: so infuriated.
Speaker 1: Her entire life. She was preparing to enter the Ivy League,
Speaker 1: her entire life. That was the entire focus of this show.
Speaker 1: That was laurelized modus operendi from the time that Rory
Speaker 1: was born and here she is, you know what was
Speaker 1: she top of her class Chiltern and then she gets
Speaker 1: admitted to She did get admitted to Harvard, didn't she Harvard?
Speaker 1: And do you know what kind of grades you have
Speaker 1: to have to get admitted to to all of the
Speaker 1: Ivy League? Like they all want you. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about somebody who is very, very advanced academically and can
Speaker 1: compete on that level and beyond, and she just I
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's tragic that she just throws it
Speaker 1: all the way. I know it bothers me too.
Speaker 3: It's so really irritated.
Speaker 1: So do we think that's good for the show. Here's
Speaker 1: here's the debate. Here's the debate. So we want her
Speaker 1: back at Yale because we want to get the show
Speaker 1: back on track because we don't recognize the show anymore.
Speaker 1: Is this an element of that of that voice in
Speaker 1: your head that says, hey, this is Gilmore Girls. I
Speaker 1: love Gilmore Girls. I love anything they do, but man,
Speaker 1: this this facocta storyline. You know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: like get her back to Yale, like the fans instinctively
Speaker 1: knowing something's really off here in terms of the storytelling.
Speaker 4: I think that's definitely a theme that is present throughout
Speaker 4: the fan base. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 4: trouble interesting seven. And Tarna even said when we started
Speaker 4: season six, She's like, this is at the point where
Speaker 4: I stopped my rewatch. Oh, Like I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people do that because there's the tone definitely.
Speaker 1: Changes, oh boy, at.
Speaker 4: This point in the run of the show. So it
Speaker 4: does definitely kind of lose its luster for a lot
Speaker 4: of people. And I don't know, obviously, I don't have
Speaker 4: any insight into what Amy and Dan were thinking in
Speaker 4: terms of, you know, their their trajectory with the show,
Speaker 4: because I know there were contract negotiations and conversations happening,
Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes that we don't know about,
Speaker 4: so I don't know how much of it was intentional,
Speaker 4: but there definitely is a change in the way still
Speaker 4: about the show.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is, at this point in Dan
Speaker 1: and Amy's career, they were going for the two year deal,
Speaker 1: which is standard on a hit show, because that's what
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin got for West Wing, and that's what other
Speaker 1: successful writer showrunners get when their shows have to be
Speaker 1: renewed after six seasons. That's a really good thing for
Speaker 1: a network because so many of their shows tank, and
Speaker 1: so the successful shows pay for the failures, and there's
Speaker 1: twenty five failures for everyone hit, you know, something like that.
Speaker 1: So you're right, Susan. So you're saying, Susan that you
Speaker 1: think that Amy and Dan potentially sort of lit a
Speaker 1: match to this show storytelling wise and destroyed one of
Speaker 1: the characters or maimed one of the main characters because
Speaker 1: they were like, we'll show Warner Brothers they want to
Speaker 1: mess with us and not offer us a proper deal,
Speaker 1: a proper respect. Well, this is what we'll do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's definitely true by the end end of
Speaker 4: season six. I don't know what point that started, though,
Speaker 4: but I definitely think and this is just my Suzanne
Speaker 4: French's opinion, nobody has to agree with it, but I
Speaker 4: think that the end of season six, which obviously we're
Speaker 4: not at yet, I think that was intentional what they did,
Speaker 4: because they knew they weren't coming back.
Speaker 3: And they were either kind of checked out or intentionally
Speaker 3: through it. One of the two, right, or a combination.
Speaker 4: I don't know, But I don't know at what point
Speaker 4: in season six that started, Like, I don't know if
Speaker 4: we're already seeing that now or that's that stuff started
Speaker 4: happening later.
Speaker 3: The only reason I don't know if we're seeing it
Speaker 3: yet is I do have when she goes to breakfast
Speaker 3: with Logan and she's on campus and she sees the
Speaker 3: girl giving the tour to the new students. My thing
Speaker 3: was like, oh sweet, she's kind of longing for that gat. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I thought, Okay, their intention doing this knowing we're
Speaker 3: going to get her back to Yale eventually, they want
Speaker 3: us to not like her at home, meaning at the
Speaker 3: Gilmore's Like, I feel like they're still showing us, Hey,
Speaker 3: we're just showing a trajectory of Rory that she's had
Speaker 3: this downworld spiral. But she's starting to think like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm a little jealous of that girl giving the tour.
Speaker 3: And then I think it's very clear when we're at
Speaker 3: the end Norraia's got the weird short bangs at the DAR.
Speaker 3: I think we're left to say, what is she doing?
Speaker 3: And we know it now and she's starting to know it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she knows this, I agree with that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So Susanna, that's interesting, Amy, Susanne, So you feel that
Speaker 1: that could be not to you know, beat a head
Speaker 1: horse here, but that could be intentional as a reaction
Speaker 1: to negotiations that weren't bearing fruit for the Palladinos.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I wasn't there. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know them personally, but I can see how
Speaker 4: that would have come through in their writing that maybe
Speaker 4: they start to steer the story into a certain direction,
Speaker 4: right because they know that they may not be coming back.
Speaker 1: So I know that, you know, the show runner, the
Speaker 1: showrunner studio a relationship is very precarious because you know,
Speaker 1: the studio since they're financing this, right, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're in the they're in the in the red for
Speaker 1: five years before they sell this into syndication and then
Speaker 1: they start making some money off of it. But man,
Speaker 1: they go their deficit spending for four or five years
Speaker 1: and we're talking, you know, it's one hundred million, it's
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars. They're in you know,
Speaker 1: they're in debt over one show, so before they start
Speaker 1: getting any return. So it's a big risk. So they
Speaker 1: do give notes to show runners like we we want
Speaker 1: to see these narrative, we want to see these storylines.
Speaker 1: How about this? How about Rory does this? How about
Speaker 1: Logan does that? How about you know this or that?
Speaker 1: And the relationship between studio and a showrunner can can
Speaker 1: blow up very easily if these notes aren't incorporated, or
Speaker 1: if they're if they're rejected in such a way as
Speaker 1: to offend the studio or you know, so you know
Speaker 1: again we should try to get them on.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, oh my god, that'd be amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have a couple of notes and questions for
Speaker 3: you guy.
Speaker 1: Let's un answered questions for that but interesting, interesting topic,
Speaker 1: you know, So.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Hep Alien for a second. Did that
Speaker 3: beard come out of nowhere? I was like, does he
Speaker 3: have a beard all of a sudden, Zach.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they've been for a couple of months.
Speaker 4: They Yeah, they can't afford toothpaste.
Speaker 1: So if you can't affords Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I love that she managed to squire away nine thousand.
Speaker 3: That's a lot so they can. Oh what's squire Away?
Speaker 1: Just not squire Yeah, that has nothing.
Speaker 4: I think you made it up.
Speaker 3: Now moving forward, when you talk about the squirreling Way money,
Speaker 3: you say squire So from here to four it's squire
Speaker 3: Away money.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: So I like, I liked I with you, Scott. Like
Speaker 3: the hip Alien stuff was actually good. They sort of
Speaker 3: sounded better than ever. The van scene is funny the
Speaker 3: whole thing. So I was I was a big heap
Speaker 3: Alien fan in this.
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Speaker 3: Can we talk about the Smores cake? The s'mores wedding cake?
Speaker 3: So I, first of all, I love that Suki says,
Speaker 3: this is this wedding we're doing is going to be
Speaker 3: a trial run for yours and everyone's like, we're But
Speaker 3: the wedding cake looked a back.
Speaker 1: I first thought it was a sculpture from China. I
Speaker 1: had no idea what it was. And then when she
Speaker 1: said it, I still couldn't see it. And then I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I accepted it because they were saying it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was mine. That was amazing with that scene. Thank you.
Speaker 3: And then can we talk about Matt Zuger's finger? Yes,
Speaker 3: obviously that was real? He obviously yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because they wrote it into the show, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wrote it in. But he's got a finger injured.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would allow that level of character detail.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they would. Matt didn't go to
Speaker 1: them say listen, I really want to come back from Europe.
Speaker 1: But but no, but he did. No, But it was
Speaker 1: in the script, right, because he got injured chasing the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think they I felt like they had
Speaker 3: to do it because he actually hurt his finger. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I was like otherwise, it's so.
Speaker 1: What a great excuse to have Matt back on the show. Huh,
Speaker 1: let's get him back on.
Speaker 3: Oh we need to you know, he's an American horror story.
Speaker 1: We need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once the strike INDs, we need to get Matt back.
Speaker 1: He's he's he got cast and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's airing. I tried to watch it, but it
Speaker 3: just was.
Speaker 1: Too main role.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's yeah, like I think he's like the top.
Speaker 3: I watched part of the first episode and I think
Speaker 3: he's like the main guy. Good for him, Yeah, he
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's great. We got to get him back on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We miss Maddie. I miss Maddie.
Speaker 3: He's so great. So I will say it's dumb she
Speaker 3: lives in the poolhouse, but man, this looks good, like.
Speaker 4: I'd like to live there totally.
Speaker 3: It's huge. It has that huge living room, huge kitchen,
Speaker 3: and that's not even the bedroom. We've seen the bedroom
Speaker 3: ones do. That thing was huge too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a tooth square.
Speaker 3: Bigger them. So okay, So there's that. And then I
Speaker 3: do think it's important to acknowledge when TJ goes to
Speaker 3: Rory's door and what's in here and they all freak
Speaker 3: out and she's clearly so sad and they're a little
Speaker 3: caustic about it. Leave the room alone, but like, she's
Speaker 3: sad about all this. Yes, she hasn't really moved on.
Speaker 4: She's putting up a brave face, but she hasn't moved on.
Speaker 1: So here we have the second story point that maybe
Speaker 1: Susanne you can enlighten us that the fans are bucking
Speaker 1: hard against this, uh this this breakup between Mother and
Speaker 1: oh like.
Speaker 3: The fractured relationship. So do the fans hate.
Speaker 1: That the fans hate that?
Speaker 4: I think I think most people don't like that they're apart,
Speaker 4: like because we all watch the show for the mother
Speaker 4: daughter relationship and it's hard to see them fighting, although
Speaker 4: that's a realistic part of Mother and so I think
Speaker 4: most people don't like to see them apart. I actually
Speaker 4: some I've read comments that people like, just skip this
Speaker 4: whole part altogether. I actually don't mind it. I kind
Speaker 4: of like the conflict and I like Rory. I like
Speaker 4: her getting taken down a notch was there? Yeah, but
Speaker 4: you know that's that's good to see, So I actually will.
Speaker 4: I like the beginning of season six. It's gonna take
Speaker 4: a turn pretty soon, but yeah, I think the beginning.
Speaker 4: I had forgotten how much I liked these episodes until,
Speaker 4: like I started watching for this podcast, But I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed the beginning.
Speaker 1: But it does prove that even if they're not talking,
Speaker 1: they're interesting enough characters all throughout the show that's going
Speaker 1: to carry the show. And even though you might be
Speaker 1: missing feeling like you're missing something. You're getting a lot
Speaker 1: in return, replacement value with a development of the other characters.
Speaker 1: Because I thought the half alien stuff was the best,
Speaker 1: was great, and I wanted to spend more and more
Speaker 1: time with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Logan the lot, Like this isn't his
Speaker 3: best episode. He's a little too smiley in this episode,
Speaker 3: in giggly almost, but like he's adorable.
Speaker 1: M mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you know, you know where I think
Speaker 3: season so far, the Luke Lorelie stuff is really good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's always solid. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: really it's a thing that's has sort of replaced the
Speaker 1: Laurlai Rory.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, right, I agree with you. I
Speaker 3: think it's just why you're.
Speaker 1: Seeing longer scenes between them and cuter scenes and scenes
Speaker 1: between them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: For me, when I look back on the series, I
Speaker 3: always think of it having three leads you, Lauren, Alexis,
Speaker 3: But really that doesn't happen until this season. This is
Speaker 3: the real season where you become really a lead of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't in my opinion.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, this is where and I think it's
Speaker 3: because they're sort of splintered. If that's the word squired, who.
Speaker 1: Are we going to find to replace the Rory? Let's
Speaker 1: get that look character in there. That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: So she've elevated that those scenes because there aren't Rory
Speaker 3: lore Li scenes. So it makes sense that in my mind,
Speaker 3: I always thought that existed, but it is true, like
Speaker 3: in the early seasons, your part is smaller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's because in terms of screen time, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly precisely. And I think I find them to be
Speaker 3: so enjoyable that I think it's why I don't hate
Speaker 3: season six or so far, because I'm getting so much
Speaker 3: of that and I love those scenes. And I have
Speaker 3: to say I love the dog scenes in this where
Speaker 3: you're taking the dog and running to the vet's house
Speaker 3: and all of it. I was just like, this is
Speaker 3: working for me. Paul Anka is working for.
Speaker 1: Me right now. I think my favorite scene partners in
Speaker 1: my whole career didn't say a word, just what I
Speaker 1: want him to do.
Speaker 4: Maybe even more than Luke, paul Anka is who they
Speaker 4: brought into place literally literally needs take care of something.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be, Luca?
Speaker 4: Is it gonna be?
Speaker 1: Let's go with a dog.
Speaker 3: So accurate I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Times we can put luc In the dog together and
Speaker 1: then they'll forget about it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't wait to hear your favorite lines,
Speaker 3: because may I give mine? Yes, you may this line.
Speaker 3: There's a million great.
Speaker 1: Lies only this time, this one time, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: There's a million right lines in this But the one
Speaker 3: that I just went I literally chuckled is she's gonna
Speaker 3: go to his place and she's got to get back,
Speaker 3: and so he's going to pack up her stuff and
Speaker 3: she says, like the last time, I got four bras
Speaker 3: and no pants, and Luke says, that could have been intentional,
Speaker 3: And you deliver it too, because, like I said, it's
Speaker 3: ever so obvious and it's just like that could have
Speaker 3: been intentional, and I'm like, oh my god. There's some
Speaker 3: really funny sort of double on tundra stuff in this
Speaker 3: one too, like sort of sexy funny, you know, the
Speaker 3: same thing. No one gets to see the goods, but
Speaker 3: you there's very there's a lot of flirting between the
Speaker 3: two of you, now, really cute flirting.
Speaker 1: So they're really comfortable in each other's presence. They're very,
Speaker 1: very comfortable, very busy, both of them.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful when they come together. What no, Yes, Amy
Speaker 1: in the front row or.
Speaker 3: You do it. There's one other hilarious one. She's back,
Speaker 3: she's coming back. Did she leave her spell book? Did
Speaker 3: she leave her phone or her spell book? What are yours?
Speaker 3: What are yours?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite?
Speaker 4: My favorite line was when it's it was really like
Speaker 4: it was a throwaway scene. Basically when they were at
Speaker 4: the inn and they're talking about who is going to
Speaker 4: come back late for this wedding party that was going
Speaker 4: to arrive at midnight or whatever, and Michelle well, I
Speaker 4: would do it, but I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. Mine was after TJ's uh speech
Speaker 1: about enlarging the kitchen and you know, knocking down Rory's
Speaker 1: bedroom walls, and Laura l i uh as you described her,
Speaker 1: was a little caustic. And then that she left and
Speaker 1: Luke left, and so TJ is standing there and he and
Speaker 1: he looks at Tom and he goes, is she Jewish?
Speaker 1: The last thing I expected? Come on? I felt I
Speaker 1: fell out of the chair. I don't know that. You know,
Speaker 1: Michael da Luis is very impressive.
Speaker 3: He's great. I some people don't like him in this
Speaker 3: and I don't know.
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a there's a level of skill
Speaker 1: that he brings. I mean, that's what he's doing is
Speaker 1: he's created a character that is completely different from who
Speaker 1: he is. I mean that is a character actor. That
Speaker 1: is a masterfulformance of a character that he created.
Speaker 3: And I think it's they don't like TJ. Not that
Speaker 3: they don't like him, but for.
Speaker 1: Some reason people don't try not like how could you?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's on some of the worst
Speaker 3: Gilmore characters lists, and I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Think he's I think he's like on I think of
Speaker 1: all the guest stars and all the recurring characters, he's
Speaker 1: the top dog.
Speaker 3: I agree, he's the.
Speaker 1: Top of the heap. And man, I wish he was
Speaker 1: a serious regular because they too what a I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a gift to be able to incorporate body language,
Speaker 1: you know, the vocal part of it, the action.
Speaker 3: Here's your condiments.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was brilliant, brilliant, it was. He's absolutely
Speaker 1: I mean I bet you he's.
Speaker 3: I think he's fat.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So I and I love that scene
Speaker 1: I had with him at the end, building them up,
Speaker 1: you know, getting his confidence back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that my favorite men.
Speaker 1: You're a Q, You're like Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so sweet.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I love that scene.
Speaker 3: I'm giving this episode nine point seventy five armpits.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I'll give it.
Speaker 4: I'll give it nine point I'm going to say nine
Speaker 4: point nine. I really liked this episode, but I'm going
Speaker 4: to take a tenth off because Emily didn't know the
Speaker 4: difference between a blueberry and a raspberry. That was a
Speaker 4: big red flag. So I'm going to say my point, you're.
Speaker 3: Here yet, but I agree that really was like what
Speaker 3: are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to give it ten. David Rosenthal
Speaker 1: GIRs oh because he doesn't deserve them. Because the guy
Speaker 1: the guys really gifted. I don't know what the heck
Speaker 1: went almost season seven behind the scenes and the storyboards
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I gotta tell you that
Speaker 1: guy can write his ass off. That episode was spectacular.
Speaker 1: It was hysterical, it was funny, it was fast paced
Speaker 1: without being rushed. And I think I think Michael Zenberg
Speaker 1: has something to do with that, obviously, because he really
Speaker 1: knows where to put the camera. Great editing, great directing,
Speaker 1: great writing. Man. I love this episode. I love this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was seamless and perfect.
Speaker 3: And wait, Suzanne, I cut off Suzanne and didn't let
Speaker 3: her give her nine point nine? Was it blueberries?
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm going to give it nine point nine
Speaker 4: orange trash bags?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good oh from the community service community. All right,
Speaker 1: let's uh so that that was something, but I one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes, one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 3: Just awesome. I liked it. I think it's great too.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of complaints about season six yet.
Speaker 1: So David Rosenthal, hats off to you. Hard to come
Speaker 1: in there and capture the tone like that, and he
Speaker 1: really did it. I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow, very impressive. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so let's yeah, what's the name of what's that? What's
Speaker 1: up next week's episode? Hannah flashed it up, but it
Speaker 1: was only one. I know I missed it always That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, always a Godmother, Never a God.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the next episode is a season six episode
Speaker 1: for always a Godmother, Never a God. Thank you Susanne
Speaker 1: French for your incredibly insightful commentary. Amy Sugarman, Thanks of
Speaker 1: the English language. Thanks for Squire Squirrels Incorporated.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go squire away my money. If I
Speaker 3: can record an.
Speaker 1: Album, why you have so many?
Speaker 3: If I can record an album with.
Speaker 1: You, and you knows of something people don't know. Sebastian Boet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of stole.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he stole the episode, but he
Speaker 1: definitely stole those scenes.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, what just a wonderful for him to and
Speaker 1: the guitar solos there was.
Speaker 3: All next week?
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