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Speaker 1: I am all in you.

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Speaker 2: I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio one eleven production, Season six, Episode three, The Ungraduate.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by my illustrious colleague, just out of

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Speaker 1: her multiple meetings in very short period of time, Amy Sugarman.

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Speaker 1: She's eating lunch, She's eating dinner.

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Speaker 3: Not eating lunch. I was eating a peanut butter filled pretzel.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever had them? I have one lunch. I

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Speaker 3: have one left to get me through the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Can you say, can you save that for me? Thank you?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Have I mailed it.

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Speaker 1: To three thousand miles away? I want that?

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Speaker 3: Can I just give you a little? A little?

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Speaker 1: Uh s h?

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Speaker 3: I t for a second. So the other night you

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Speaker 3: got the other it was five thirty wait, five thirty

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Speaker 3: our time. Yeah, we're talking about a live show we're

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Speaker 3: going to do with Scott. So you guys will hear

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Speaker 3: about it soon and you'll be able to come. But

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Speaker 3: so I'm texting with maybe Hannah, I can't remember our

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Speaker 3: producer texting with somebody, and so I call Scott. I

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Speaker 3: called you and you didn't answer, And then you text

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Speaker 3: me back and you're all it's eleven thirty. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: I'm right eleven thirty PM, Like you were like falling

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Speaker 3: asleep right, You're like, I can't talk. It's eleven thirty.

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Speaker 3: So whoever was on the phone with We're like thirty

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Speaker 3: producer Hannah and we're like nine thirty right, Like he's what?

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Speaker 3: He give you so much grief? Sit back and we're like, dude,

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Speaker 3: it's nine thirty and you're a flea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How many times do I text you at nine

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Speaker 1: am my time and it's five am your time and

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Speaker 1: I don't hear from you. You're like, hey, hey, I

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Speaker 1: need a response. And it's like these people just got

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Speaker 1: in from partying. Am I what am I texting them for?

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Speaker 3: People laugh because I have to set an alarm for

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Speaker 3: ten thirty in the morning, and they're like what and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I won't wake up normally when You're

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Speaker 3: like I'm here with the team, but everybody is coming in.

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Speaker 3: Suzanne's coming and Tara had a meeting, so the team

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Speaker 3: is just me and Scott.

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Speaker 1: We're the team. So we're bringing it to you.

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Speaker 3: There's no. Two in team.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pick up the slack. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we're capable. You'll be the judge. You'll let

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Speaker 1: us know you're not shy. Always let us know. We

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Speaker 1: love that. Just keep it.

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Speaker 3: Coming, you guys. Is you guys behind the scenes. Because

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Speaker 3: the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Is podcast, you're required to wear a cod piece. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Scott. Just finished watching the episode, so right before we

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Speaker 3: go on, we kind of like remind ourselves, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's what.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember it. I have no idea what happened.

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Speaker 3: I might need my notes I seconds ago, so I

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Speaker 3: think I'll be okay.

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Speaker 1: No, I actually watch it, and then I took a shower.

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Speaker 3: Oh you, I did too.

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Speaker 1: I took a shower, took I took the hottest shower

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Speaker 1: I could stand because I needed it, because because I

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Speaker 1: because I did the I did the pop culture sweaty

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Speaker 1: it up today, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so now.

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Speaker 3: They're getting the threat we're getting everyone's getting. We just

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Speaker 3: more could they come on?

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Speaker 1: Right? Clean memory, clean bodies. You know. I won't mention

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Speaker 1: the souls.

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Speaker 3: By the way, how's it to be a big TV

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Speaker 3: star again? Your show premiere?

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Speaker 1: Well, I must say it's I've been getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of texts and emails and really now it's just really,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that I haven't heard from in

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Speaker 1: a long time. So here's the synopsis. Ready, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to synopsize, so ready the ungraduate air date September twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. The construction crew working on Laurel's

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Speaker 1: house drives Luke crazy. Paris is having weekly lunches at

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Speaker 1: the end with Laurel, which is affecting the morale of

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Speaker 1: the Inn staff. Rory starts working for Emily at the

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Speaker 1: Daughters of the American Revolution, and Logan returns from his

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Speaker 1: after a successful tour. Directed by Michael Zendberg, written by

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Speaker 1: David Rosenthal and you know, Amy, Uh. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into this, I just want to say thank you to everybody,

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Speaker 1: all the great Gilmore fans who migrated over to watch

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Speaker 1: the premiere Sullivan's Crossing last night on the CW eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock Wednesday nights, Cozy Wednesdays. We've got blankets, We've got

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Speaker 1: and they can stream it too on the CW app

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Speaker 1: if they didn't if they missed it. So but it

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Speaker 3: It's so great and Tristan and Luke are reunited.

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Speaker 1: What a great team. CW has just got a great

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Speaker 1: team of people in their marketing and PR executive suite.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just fantastic and you know them all the time.

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Speaker 1: They're super pros.

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Speaker 3: The people I'm dealing with Onan's crossing I knew from

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Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, crazy right, And.

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Speaker 3: They're congrats to you.

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Speaker 1: It's so great, Thank you, thank and also make sure

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Speaker 1: to check out I'm going to be at the Galaxy

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Speaker 1: Con in Columbus, Ohio, December second and third. I'm also

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Speaker 1: going to be in Detroit, a little outside of Detroit

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Speaker 1: at the Motor City Comic Con, which is November ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven twelve. I'll be there, so check that out anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I was so particularly interested in this episode because

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Speaker 1: David Rosenthal has taken a lot of heat because he's

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Speaker 1: the one that inherited the show season seven. Interesting, he's

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Speaker 1: I was particularly curious to see this episode because he

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Speaker 1: was fantastic on every level that I agree, seamless and great,

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Speaker 3: Okay, fabulous.

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Speaker 1: I had to stop on several times just to start

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Speaker 3: I was like taken out of it in that scene. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: I thought every single part of this episode was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the monologues were and I think it's one of

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Speaker 3: It's funny to say that, because I thought this particular

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Speaker 3: the Paladinos right, it's really funny. This one is up there.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: So David Rosenthal, if you're listening to this, kudos to you.

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Speaker 1: You didn't deserve to take that level of criticism. But

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Speaker 1: the one thing our fans are they are honest, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we love them. And but I tell you,

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Speaker 3: The Gatelanka is a great addition to funny stuff because

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Speaker 3: First of all, you have to bring the muffins over.

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Speaker 3: It's all the boys are in the kitchen, everyone's getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of Right from the start, You're like, is

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Speaker 1: And even the heap alien stuff was hysterical.

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Speaker 1: And I never found that particularly funny. I you know,

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Speaker 1: But as far as you know, making me laugh out lot,

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Speaker 3: It's Sebastian Bach.

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Speaker 1: He is so what I mean. But the dialogue was hysterical.

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Speaker 3: I was literally like, First of all, it looked like

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Speaker 3: so funny that Lorelei and Luke are so sweet that

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Speaker 3: fully tracks like that was hysterical, and him going around

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Speaker 3: Oh there's a funny line that Luke has right from

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Speaker 1: It's like so good.

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Speaker 3: The whole incident with the shower, Okay, so Lorlai gets

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Speaker 3: like Joe Pete slim Billy had a really straight shot

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Speaker 3: teddy too. And then when the guy gives you the

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they made a reference to that Dustin

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Speaker 1: Hoffman movie that he made early in his career and

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Speaker 1: the English countryside where he and his wife, his beautiful wife.

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Speaker 1: He's a college professor or something, his beautiful wife played

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Speaker 1: very dark drama about these handyman who who broke into

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Speaker 1: Just that Laurelized has an excuse to delay setting a

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Speaker 4: That is enough to postpone setting the date, like you

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Speaker 1: POV point of view from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really fascinating question.

439
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: But in this instance, I think it was a time

440
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: when maybe a Luke po V would have actually made

441
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: the show better. I'm not saying that for every episode,

442
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: or even the majority of the episodes. I'm saying in

443
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: this instance, maybe the narrative could have shifted and the

444
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: po V could have shifted a lit little bit toward Luke,

445
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: where you know, we get to see it from a

446
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: fresh perspective. I really thought thought it was a missed opportunity.

447
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that I want

448
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: to be the master of the show and it's got

449
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: to be all about me. But I think the character

450
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: earned it, earned a POV on this one, and they

451
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: never gave it to him. So that's all I'm saying.

452
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a really interesting thought because when

453
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: you said that, I realize I only watched this show

454
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: from Lorealize perspective. I don't even watch it from Rory's

455
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: I'm always Lorealized perspective. And because I like her so

456
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: much and I want to be her essentially, I'm good

457
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: with that because even when I watch Rory's stuff, I'm

458
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: watching it to me sort of Morelaurli. So I don't

459
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: that's my take. Was like, even with it being Gilmore Girls,

460
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: it's always to me Laura La M. Yeah, it's just

461
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: a different show if we saw it from Luke's perspective.

462
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: What do you think, Susanna said, did I propose something

463
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: preposterous and off base the universe into a spiral of hell?

464
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: I think you're right, And I think we did get

465
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 4: a little bit of that in the last episode with

466
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 4: the whole conversation on the roof and how he's telling

467
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 4: her like, Hey, I know this is the thing between

468
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: you and Rory, but I'm caught in the middle because

469
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: he look both of them and he wants both of

470
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 4: them to be happy and both of them to have

471
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: their needs met, And nobody was thinking about how Luke

472
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: was in the middle of this. So I think we

473
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: did get a little bit of that in the last episode.

474
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: But I think maybe you're right about the wedding piece

475
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 4: of it. You know, we could have gotten a little

476
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: more of his viewpoint about the the prospect of marriage

477
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: and when that was going to happen and that.

478
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: Piece of it.

479
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: So I can see that point of view, but I

480
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: also agree with Amy. I tend to watch it from

481
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: loraalized point of view. Also, just because I was already

482
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: the first time I watched my show, the show, I

483
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: was already forty, so I wore that like in that

484
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 4: sixteen year old, you know, high school slash college student mode.

485
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was I was. I think I was

486
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: thirty almost thirty, So I always related to her much more,

487
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: which is why my crush on Logan is kind of fascinating.

488
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: But I think it's because Zukri is my age. He

489
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: played younger. Speaking of I have such a comment about

490
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: Zukri in this.

491
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: Well, look not to be labor the point. Let's let's

492
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: get to it. You know, we don't want to stay

493
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: on there.

494
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: No, it's really interesting.

495
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought i'd introduce it a little bit, but

496
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, let's move on and continue with the episode.

497
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: So we Okay, let's talk about Rory at the DAR

498
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think I like it, but I

499
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: don't like it, And especially at the end there, I'm like, oh,

500
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: this is just sad. They're all at Yale and she's

501
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: at the DAR. I like it that she had the office.

502
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: I love that she's now, you know, taking control of

503
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: the community service too. She's like the big leader of

504
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: the community service, which leads me back to why are

505
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: we even here? Because she she is a leader, she

506
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: is successful. Why does she care what Mitcham said? It

507
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, like but whatever. The one thing I

508
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: didn't like I thought the Constant stuff was a little

509
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: bit mean. The whole thing, the spying on Constance, the

510
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: woman at the DAR that Emily doesn't like, and her

511
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: pill like the Altoyd's box that was filled with reals.

512
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was mean?

513
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: It was a little too gossipy and mean for me, Like,

514
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: why are we judging this poor Constant woman. I get it,

515
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: maybe she's terrible, but like, I don't want to judge

516
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: her Altoid's box with pills and it just felt a

517
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 3: little I got the gist and that it was funny

518
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: and gossip on the side.

519
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I think this is where somebody steps in and says, hey,

520
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: come on, it's just fun the TV show.

521
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a little it was a joke.

522
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: It was a jokey joke thing that was that I

523
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: don't know played out for me. It's it matched the

524
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: spirit of the writing and the show, this particular show,

525
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: because it was easy, breezy, you know. That's what I

526
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: loved about what David Rosenthal did. He he really interwove the

527
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: drama with the humor and it quite a seamless way,

528
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: I agree, And it really made the humor pop even

529
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: more because it didn't you know, you didn't have to

530
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: stand in the drama line because now you're getting drama,

531
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: and you didn't have to stand in the humor line

532
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: because now you're getting humor interwoven. He married the two

533
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: together in a way that you rarely say. So that's

534
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: that's impressive. Feat.

535
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I want to hear what Suzanne's perspective is.

536
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: For me, Rory's getting a little too sucked into Emily's world,

537
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: even the negative of it. So it was just I

538
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: think she's getting just hooked into this sort of ladies

539
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: who lunch with money thing. She's a little too comfortable

540
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: with it for me. I mean, she really is.

541
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: Emily's due over. And we've seen over the past couple

542
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: seasons that Rory fits into that Emily lifestyle pretty readily,

543
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: Like she kind of fights it a little bit at first,

544
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: but she pretty much enjoys it, and we really see

545
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: in this episode that she is kind of underneath she's

546
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: still that same Rory that was, you know, a go getter,

547
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: and she's taken charge of all the people that are

548
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: picking up trash, and you know, she's gone from fighting

549
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: with the people to you know, directing them where to

550
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: pick up trash and what supplies they need and all that.

551
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: So that was hilarious, hilarious.

552
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 4: And one thing about that trash scene, I noticed that

553
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: when the one girl says that they're going to go

554
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: for pizza, the girls are going to go for pizza,

555
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: and the guy walks up and says, I want to

556
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: go and she says, are you a girl? That I

557
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: couldn't remember why that guy looked so familiar to me,

558
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: and so I looked it up.

559
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

560
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: He was in a previous episode. He was a children's student.

561
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: Now in my brain I'm thinking, okay, that's another children's

562
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: student that committed a felony and now he's doing community

563
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: serv Oh my god. I think it's supposed to be

564
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: a different character. But it just made me laugh because

565
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, something funny together in my head.

566
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Good catch.

567
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: Wow, guy looks so familiar.

568
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Go get another call from the lawyer again.

569
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of little tidbits, I have a tidbit. Okay,

570
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: So the scene where Paris calls Rory at work. So

571
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: first Rory's on the phone. Do you know what I'm

572
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: gonna say, Susana. Rory's on the phone with like a customer,

573
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what you'd call him, a dar potential lady.

574
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: And she's talking to the lady and she puts her

575
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: on hold. Okay, then she does never went back to her.

576
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: She just hung the phone up. I was like, is

577
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: that intentional that she's supposed to be hanging let me

578
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: put you on hold, flick. Maybe that's the joke, Maybe

579
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: that's the thing that it's supposed to be, like, let

580
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: me put you on hold. But then she hangs up

581
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: on her, because this lady clearly is not a daughter

582
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: of the revolution, right, But I was like, either that

583
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: or she's so bad at her job. She forgot to

584
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: go back and get her. But I think now, I

585
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: think you're right, Susanne. It's that she didn't put her

586
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: on hold. She just said she wasn't hung up on her.

587
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: That's actually not what I thought you were going to say.

588
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: What was it?

589
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: I thought I thought you were going to talk about

590
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: Rory Gilmore sex book.

591
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was funny too.

592
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: Ye did anybody else google that? Because I did?

593
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: And the no tell us? What is it that somebody.

594
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: Apparently bought that domain? And if you go to Rory

595
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: Gilmour sexbot dot com there's a little like thirty second

596
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: video it's pretty hilarious.

597
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: Still, that's amazing. I love people that are like brilliantly.

598
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: Probably not a lot of competition for it.

599
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: What's website where you can buy the domains? Go Daddy? Yeah,

600
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: oh gosh, you're just literally renting something from go Daddy

601
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: that's free. I don't know whatever. So okay, I have

602
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: to talk about it. Let's talk about the scene with

603
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: Rory and Logan. So first of all, darling when Logan

604
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: comes into the nursing home, the dancing is darling. The

605
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: the funny lines, this like the whole that whole scene

606
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: is adorable and makes me like wish like I said

607
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: that it was just a summer and this was her

608
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 3: summer jobs, because I love seeing her in that element.

609
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: It's just when I go, oh my gosh, she's doing

610
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: community service because she stole a yacht.

611
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of unprofessional though, like her

612
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: she's making kind of at work and then her boyfriend

613
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: comes in and he's like smooching all over her. I

614
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 4: don't know, I.

615
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: I thought of that, But I also thought it was

616
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: so cute because I'm like, here he is and with

617
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: all these grannies, and it's so cute. The grannies and

618
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: the granpies are all having such a good time with

619
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: the day thing and they don't want their you know,

620
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: orange juice break. It was really cute. Fast forward to

621
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: the scene of Rory and Logan. Obviously they've just done it.

622
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: Or you could you could use the term post coital

623
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: I did. They've just done it.

624
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: I would say it they did a Mather on the couch. Literally,

625
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't even know what they're talking about, because all

626
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: I saw was Matt Zuker's arm pit.

627
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: I can honestly say I was not paying attention to

628
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: the armpits in that scene.

629
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: No, what Amy is referring to is the is the

630
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: the curvature of his muscular shoulders and.

631
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: Truth, truth, that just me truth, but also just this

632
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: was his arm the whole scene. And I'm just like, bro,

633
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: all I I can't even see your face, Like anyway,

634
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: That's the only scene that I thought Rory was a

635
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: bit Why do I say this? That almost like Alexis

636
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: was reading the script instead of being Rory, because she's like,

637
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go blue, Like I just was like.

638
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we were talking a couple episodes ago about

639
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: her voice, this completely highlighted that. For me, I was

640
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: not a fan of this scene at all. I think

641
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 4: you know, I I think Alexis is great, but this

642
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: was not her best work. And I agree this was

643
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 4: not Rory's best work either. She sounded kind of spoiled

644
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: and entitled, and she's when she said what did she say?

645
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: She's like, I've got my work, I've got my new pad.

646
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 4: I'm like your grandma's poolhouse. Tell your new bad break.

647
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: Dude, agree that scene. I was like, you sound like

648
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: an income poop, like you were at Yale and you're

649
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: saying to your boyfriend, Like, I don't mind if you

650
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: talk about Yale. I've got my work, Like, what is she? Yeah?

651
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I agree, that's the point though, isn't that the point

652
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: that she's that she's she's a bit delusional, she's not

653
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Speaker 1: really seeing, you know, kidding herself, kidding her self. She

654
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: doesn't realize how far she's fallen.

655
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

656
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Speaker 1: I think that was you know, mitcham Huntsberger really you know,

657
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: laid the gloves on her, knocked her out, and this

658
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: is the result.

659
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Speaker 3: So yeah, Yeah, I think you're right, Scott, because we

660
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 3: that scene was so.

661
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Speaker 1: I empathized with her often. If it was supposed to

662
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: make us feel sorry for a root for maybe it

663
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: didn't achieve that for y'all, but I understood what they

664
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Speaker 1: were going for, so I forgave it.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, I think you're I think you're right, Scott.

666
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Speaker 3: I think I didn't realize that when I was watching it,

667
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: because I wrote down insane, insane, and then I wrote

668
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: not my favorite scene. And I think maybe that was intentional.

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Speaker 3: We're supposed to think what is wrong with her? You

670
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: sound like an idiot?

671
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was just to show that she

672
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: really is in denial. She's trying to convince herself as

673
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Speaker 4: much as she's trying to convince Logan that.

674
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Speaker 3: Hey, I moved on.

675
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: Everything's good. And I think I think that I agree.

676
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: That was the point of that scene.

677
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Speaker 1: And she did say a couple of times that she

678
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Speaker 1: was not going back to Yale, and it sounded like forever,

679
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Speaker 1: I'm never going on.

680
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: Totally, which also was insane, which yeah, Yale was a

681
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: good time, but good time in my life, but I'm

682
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 3: not going back. And it's like, what are you talking about?

683
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: Like you're at Yale woman, Like who go and take

684
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: take a different career path? Like what are you? It's

685
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Speaker 3: so infuriated.

686
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: Her entire life. She was preparing to enter the Ivy League,

687
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: her entire life. That was the entire focus of this show.

688
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: That was laurelized modus operendi from the time that Rory

689
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: was born and here she is, you know what was

690
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: she top of her class Chiltern and then she gets

691
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: admitted to She did get admitted to Harvard, didn't she Harvard?

692
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: And do you know what kind of grades you have

693
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: to have to get admitted to to all of the

694
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Speaker 1: Ivy League? Like they all want you. So we're talking

695
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: about somebody who is very, very advanced academically and can

696
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: compete on that level and beyond, and she just I

697
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's tragic that she just throws it

698
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: all the way. I know it bothers me too.

699
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: It's so really irritated.

700
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Speaker 1: So do we think that's good for the show. Here's

701
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: here's the debate. Here's the debate. So we want her

702
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: back at Yale because we want to get the show

703
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: back on track because we don't recognize the show anymore.

704
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: Is this an element of that of that voice in

705
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: your head that says, hey, this is Gilmore Girls. I

706
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: love Gilmore Girls. I love anything they do, but man,

707
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: this this facocta storyline. You know what I mean? It's

708
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like get her back to Yale, like the fans instinctively

709
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: knowing something's really off here in terms of the storytelling.

710
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Speaker 4: I think that's definitely a theme that is present throughout

711
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: the fan base. I think a lot of people have

712
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 4: trouble interesting seven. And Tarna even said when we started

713
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 4: season six, She's like, this is at the point where

714
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Speaker 4: I stopped my rewatch. Oh, Like I think a lot

715
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 4: of people do that because there's the tone definitely.

716
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Speaker 1: Changes, oh boy, at.

717
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Speaker 4: This point in the run of the show. So it

718
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: does definitely kind of lose its luster for a lot

719
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: of people. And I don't know, obviously, I don't have

720
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Speaker 4: any insight into what Amy and Dan were thinking in

721
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: terms of, you know, their their trajectory with the show,

722
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 4: because I know there were contract negotiations and conversations happening,

723
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes that we don't know about,

724
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: so I don't know how much of it was intentional,

725
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 4: but there definitely is a change in the way still

726
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: about the show.

727
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is, at this point in Dan

728
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and Amy's career, they were going for the two year deal,

729
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: which is standard on a hit show, because that's what

730
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin got for West Wing, and that's what other

731
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: successful writer showrunners get when their shows have to be

732
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Speaker 1: renewed after six seasons. That's a really good thing for

733
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: a network because so many of their shows tank, and

734
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Speaker 1: so the successful shows pay for the failures, and there's

735
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: twenty five failures for everyone hit, you know, something like that.

736
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Speaker 1: So you're right, Susan. So you're saying, Susan that you

737
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: think that Amy and Dan potentially sort of lit a

738
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: match to this show storytelling wise and destroyed one of

739
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: the characters or maimed one of the main characters because

740
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: they were like, we'll show Warner Brothers they want to

741
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: mess with us and not offer us a proper deal,

742
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: a proper respect. Well, this is what we'll do.

743
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

744
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: I think that's definitely true by the end end of

745
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: season six. I don't know what point that started, though,

746
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: but I definitely think and this is just my Suzanne

747
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: French's opinion, nobody has to agree with it, but I

748
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: think that the end of season six, which obviously we're

749
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: not at yet, I think that was intentional what they did,

750
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: because they knew they weren't coming back.

751
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: And they were either kind of checked out or intentionally

752
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: through it. One of the two, right, or a combination.

753
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, But I don't know at what point

754
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: in season six that started, Like, I don't know if

755
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: we're already seeing that now or that's that stuff started

756
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: happening later.

757
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: The only reason I don't know if we're seeing it

758
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: yet is I do have when she goes to breakfast

759
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: with Logan and she's on campus and she sees the

760
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: girl giving the tour to the new students. My thing

761
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh sweet, she's kind of longing for that gat. Yeah,

762
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: so I thought, Okay, their intention doing this knowing we're

763
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: going to get her back to Yale eventually, they want

764
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: us to not like her at home, meaning at the

765
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: Gilmore's Like, I feel like they're still showing us, Hey,

766
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: we're just showing a trajectory of Rory that she's had

767
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: this downworld spiral. But she's starting to think like, oh,

768
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm a little jealous of that girl giving the tour.

769
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: And then I think it's very clear when we're at

770
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: the end Norraia's got the weird short bangs at the DAR.

771
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: I think we're left to say, what is she doing?

772
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: And we know it now and she's starting to know it. Yeah,

773
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: she knows this, I agree with that's ridiculous.

774
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: So Susanna, that's interesting, Amy, Susanne, So you feel that

775
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: that could be not to you know, beat a head

776
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: horse here, but that could be intentional as a reaction

777
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: to negotiations that weren't bearing fruit for the Palladinos.

778
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

779
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I wasn't there. I don't know,

780
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't know them personally, but I can see how

781
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: that would have come through in their writing that maybe

782
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 4: they start to steer the story into a certain direction,

783
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 4: right because they know that they may not be coming back.

784
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: So I know that, you know, the show runner, the

785
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: showrunner studio a relationship is very precarious because you know,

786
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: the studio since they're financing this, right, you know, they're

787
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: they're in the they're in the in the red for

788
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: five years before they sell this into syndication and then

789
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: they start making some money off of it. But man,

790
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: they go their deficit spending for four or five years

791
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: and we're talking, you know, it's one hundred million, it's

792
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars. They're in you know,

793
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: they're in debt over one show, so before they start

794
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: getting any return. So it's a big risk. So they

795
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: do give notes to show runners like we we want

796
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: to see these narrative, we want to see these storylines.

797
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: How about this? How about Rory does this? How about

798
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Logan does that? How about you know this or that?

799
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: And the relationship between studio and a showrunner can can

800
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: blow up very easily if these notes aren't incorporated, or

801
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: if they're if they're rejected in such a way as

802
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: to offend the studio or you know, so you know

803
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: again we should try to get them on.

804
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, oh my god, that'd be amazing.

805
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

806
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: So I have a couple of notes and questions for

807
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Speaker 3: you guy.

808
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: Let's un answered questions for that but interesting, interesting topic,

809
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, So.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Hep Alien for a second. Did that

811
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: beard come out of nowhere? I was like, does he

812
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: have a beard all of a sudden, Zach.

813
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think they've been for a couple of months.

814
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: They Yeah, they can't afford toothpaste.

815
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: So if you can't affords Yeah.

816
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: And I love that she managed to squire away nine thousand.

817
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 3: That's a lot so they can. Oh what's squire Away?

818
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: Just not squire Yeah, that has nothing.

819
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: I think you made it up.

820
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: Now moving forward, when you talk about the squirreling Way money,

821
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: you say squire So from here to four it's squire

822
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: Away money.

823
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: There you go.

824
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Speaker 3: So I like, I liked I with you, Scott. Like

825
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: the hip Alien stuff was actually good. They sort of

826
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: sounded better than ever. The van scene is funny the

827
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Speaker 3: whole thing. So I was I was a big heap

828
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Speaker 3: Alien fan in this.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Sophia Bush, host of the podcast Work

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Speaker 2: in Progress, and I am thrilled to tell you that

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Speaker 3: Can we talk about the Smores cake? The s'mores wedding cake?

845
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Speaker 3: So I, first of all, I love that Suki says,

846
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Speaker 3: this is this wedding we're doing is going to be

847
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: a trial run for yours and everyone's like, we're But

848
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Speaker 3: the wedding cake looked a back.

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Speaker 1: I first thought it was a sculpture from China. I

850
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: had no idea what it was. And then when she

851
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: said it, I still couldn't see it. And then I said, okay,

852
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: I accepted it because they were saying it, but yeah,

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00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: that was mine. That was amazing with that scene. Thank you.

854
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 3: And then can we talk about Matt Zuger's finger? Yes,

855
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: obviously that was real? He obviously yeah, yeah.

856
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: Because they wrote it into the show, right.

857
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wrote it in. But he's got a finger injured.

858
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they would allow that level of character detail.

859
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that they would. Matt didn't go to

860
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: them say listen, I really want to come back from Europe.

861
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: But but no, but he did. No, But it was

862
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: in the script, right, because he got injured chasing the.

863
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think they I felt like they had

864
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: to do it because he actually hurt his finger. Yeah,

865
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: because I was like otherwise, it's so.

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00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: What a great excuse to have Matt back on the show. Huh,

867
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: let's get him back on.

868
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: Oh we need to you know, he's an American horror story.

869
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: We need.

870
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, once the strike INDs, we need to get Matt back.

871
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: He's he's he got cast and.

872
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's airing. I tried to watch it, but it

873
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: just was.

874
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Too main role.

875
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah he's yeah, like I think he's like the top.

876
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: I watched part of the first episode and I think

877
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: he's like the main guy. Good for him, Yeah, he

878
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 3: I know.

879
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's great. We got to get him back on.

880
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

881
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: We miss Maddie. I miss Maddie.

882
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: He's so great. So I will say it's dumb she

883
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: lives in the poolhouse, but man, this looks good, like.

884
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: I'd like to live there totally.

885
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 3: It's huge. It has that huge living room, huge kitchen,

886
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: and that's not even the bedroom. We've seen the bedroom

887
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: ones do. That thing was huge too.

888
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a tooth square.

889
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: Bigger them. So okay, So there's that. And then I

890
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: do think it's important to acknowledge when TJ goes to

891
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: Rory's door and what's in here and they all freak

892
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 3: out and she's clearly so sad and they're a little

893
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: caustic about it. Leave the room alone, but like, she's

894
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: sad about all this. Yes, she hasn't really moved on.

895
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: She's putting up a brave face, but she hasn't moved on.

896
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: So here we have the second story point that maybe

897
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: Susanne you can enlighten us that the fans are bucking

898
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: hard against this, uh this this breakup between Mother and

899
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: oh like.

900
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: The fractured relationship. So do the fans hate.

901
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: That the fans hate that?

902
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: I think I think most people don't like that they're apart,

903
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: like because we all watch the show for the mother

904
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 4: daughter relationship and it's hard to see them fighting, although

905
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: that's a realistic part of Mother and so I think

906
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 4: most people don't like to see them apart. I actually

907
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 4: some I've read comments that people like, just skip this

908
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: whole part altogether. I actually don't mind it. I kind

909
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 4: of like the conflict and I like Rory. I like

910
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 4: her getting taken down a notch was there? Yeah, but

911
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 4: you know that's that's good to see, So I actually will.

912
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 4: I like the beginning of season six. It's gonna take

913
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: a turn pretty soon, but yeah, I think the beginning.

914
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: I had forgotten how much I liked these episodes until,

915
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 4: like I started watching for this podcast, But I really

916
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: enjoyed the beginning.

917
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: But it does prove that even if they're not talking,

918
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: they're interesting enough characters all throughout the show that's going

919
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: to carry the show. And even though you might be

920
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: missing feeling like you're missing something. You're getting a lot

921
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: in return, replacement value with a development of the other characters.

922
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Because I thought the half alien stuff was the best,

923
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: was great, and I wanted to spend more and more

924
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: time with them.

925
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Logan the lot, Like this isn't his

926
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: best episode. He's a little too smiley in this episode,

927
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 3: in giggly almost, but like he's adorable.

928
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: M mm hmm.

929
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you know, you know where I think

930
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: season so far, the Luke Lorelie stuff is really good.

931
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's always solid. Yeah, I think it

932
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: really it's a thing that's has sort of replaced the

933
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: Laurlai Rory.

934
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I agree with you, right, I agree with you. I

935
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: think it's just why you're.

936
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: Seeing longer scenes between them and cuter scenes and scenes

937
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: between them. Yeah.

938
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: For me, when I look back on the series, I

939
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 3: always think of it having three leads you, Lauren, Alexis,

940
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: But really that doesn't happen until this season. This is

941
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: the real season where you become really a lead of

942
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: the show.

943
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't in my opinion.

944
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: In my opinion, this is where and I think it's

945
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: because they're sort of splintered. If that's the word squired, who.

946
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: Are we going to find to replace the Rory? Let's

947
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: get that look character in there. That's pretty good.

948
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: So she've elevated that those scenes because there aren't Rory

949
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: lore Li scenes. So it makes sense that in my mind,

950
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: I always thought that existed, but it is true, like

951
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: in the early seasons, your part is smaller.

952
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

953
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

954
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: It's because in terms of screen time, Yeah.

955
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: Exactly precisely. And I think I find them to be

956
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: so enjoyable that I think it's why I don't hate

957
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: season six or so far, because I'm getting so much

958
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: of that and I love those scenes. And I have

959
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: to say I love the dog scenes in this where

960
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: you're taking the dog and running to the vet's house

961
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: and all of it. I was just like, this is

962
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 3: working for me. Paul Anka is working for.

963
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Me right now. I think my favorite scene partners in

964
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: my whole career didn't say a word, just what I

965
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: want him to do.

966
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: Maybe even more than Luke, paul Anka is who they

967
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: brought into place literally literally needs take care of something.

968
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be, Luca?

969
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: Is it gonna be?

970
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: Let's go with a dog.

971
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: So accurate I can't wait.

972
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: Times we can put luc In the dog together and

973
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: then they'll forget about it.

974
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't wait to hear your favorite lines,

975
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: because may I give mine? Yes, you may this line.

976
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 3: There's a million great.

977
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: Lies only this time, this one time, Thank you so much.

978
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: There's a million right lines in this But the one

979
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: that I just went I literally chuckled is she's gonna

980
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: go to his place and she's got to get back,

981
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: and so he's going to pack up her stuff and

982
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: she says, like the last time, I got four bras

983
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: and no pants, and Luke says, that could have been intentional,

984
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: And you deliver it too, because, like I said, it's

985
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: ever so obvious and it's just like that could have

986
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 3: been intentional, and I'm like, oh my god. There's some

987
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 3: really funny sort of double on tundra stuff in this

988
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: one too, like sort of sexy funny, you know, the

989
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: same thing. No one gets to see the goods, but

990
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: you there's very there's a lot of flirting between the

991
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: two of you, now, really cute flirting.

992
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: So they're really comfortable in each other's presence. They're very,

993
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: very comfortable, very busy, both of them.

994
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: Totally.

995
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: It's wonderful when they come together. What no, Yes, Amy

996
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: in the front row or.

997
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 3: You do it. There's one other hilarious one. She's back,

998
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 3: she's coming back. Did she leave her spell book? Did

999
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: she leave her phone or her spell book? What are yours?

1000
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: What are yours?

1001
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: What's your favorite?

1002
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: My favorite line was when it's it was really like

1003
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 4: it was a throwaway scene. Basically when they were at

1004
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 4: the inn and they're talking about who is going to

1005
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: come back late for this wedding party that was going

1006
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 4: to arrive at midnight or whatever, and Michelle well, I

1007
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 4: would do it, but I don't want to.

1008
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. Mine was after TJ's uh speech

1009
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: about enlarging the kitchen and you know, knocking down Rory's

1010
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: bedroom walls, and Laura l i uh as you described her,

1011
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: was a little caustic. And then that she left and

1012
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: Luke left, and so TJ is standing there and he and

1013
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: he looks at Tom and he goes, is she Jewish?

1014
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: The last thing I expected? Come on? I felt I

1015
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: fell out of the chair. I don't know that. You know,

1016
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: Michael da Luis is very impressive.

1017
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: He's great. I some people don't like him in this

1018
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: and I don't know.

1019
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a there's a level of skill

1020
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: that he brings. I mean, that's what he's doing is

1021
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: he's created a character that is completely different from who

1022
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: he is. I mean that is a character actor. That

1023
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: is a masterfulformance of a character that he created.

1024
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: And I think it's they don't like TJ. Not that

1025
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 3: they don't like him, but for.

1026
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: Some reason people don't try not like how could you?

1027
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's on some of the worst

1028
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: Gilmore characters lists, and I'm like, I.

1029
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: Think he's I think he's like on I think of

1030
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: all the guest stars and all the recurring characters, he's

1031
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the top dog.

1032
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: I agree, he's the.

1033
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Top of the heap. And man, I wish he was

1034
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: a serious regular because they too what a I mean, yeah,

1035
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: it's a gift to be able to incorporate body language,

1036
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, the vocal part of it, the action.

1037
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: Here's your condiments.

1038
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was brilliant, brilliant, it was. He's absolutely

1039
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean I bet you he's.

1040
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: I think he's fat.

1041
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So I and I love that scene

1042
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: I had with him at the end, building them up,

1043
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting his confidence back.

1044
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that my favorite men.

1045
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: You're a Q, You're like Jesus.

1046
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so sweet.

1047
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh god, I love that scene.

1048
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 3: I'm giving this episode nine point seventy five armpits.

1049
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm hmmm.

1050
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: I'll give it.

1051
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 4: I'll give it nine point I'm going to say nine

1052
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: point nine. I really liked this episode, but I'm going

1053
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: to take a tenth off because Emily didn't know the

1054
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 4: difference between a blueberry and a raspberry. That was a

1055
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 4: big red flag. So I'm going to say my point, you're.

1056
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: Here yet, but I agree that really was like what

1057
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: are you talking about?

1058
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to give it ten. David Rosenthal

1059
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: GIRs oh because he doesn't deserve them. Because the guy

1060
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: the guys really gifted. I don't know what the heck

1061
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: went almost season seven behind the scenes and the storyboards

1062
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I gotta tell you that

1063
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: guy can write his ass off. That episode was spectacular.

1064
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: It was hysterical, it was funny, it was fast paced

1065
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: without being rushed. And I think I think Michael Zenberg

1066
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: has something to do with that, obviously, because he really

1067
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: knows where to put the camera. Great editing, great directing,

1068
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: great writing. Man. I love this episode. I love this episode. Yeah,

1069
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was seamless and perfect.

1070
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: And wait, Suzanne, I cut off Suzanne and didn't let

1071
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: her give her nine point nine? Was it blueberries?

1072
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm going to give it nine point nine

1073
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 4: orange trash bags?

1074
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good oh from the community service community. All right,

1075
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: let's uh so that that was something, but I one

1076
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes, one of my favorite episodes.

1077
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: Just awesome. I liked it. I think it's great too.

1078
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of complaints about season six yet.

1079
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: So David Rosenthal, hats off to you. Hard to come

1080
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: in there and capture the tone like that, and he

1081
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: really did it. I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow, very impressive. Anyway,

1082
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: so let's yeah, what's the name of what's that? What's

1083
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Speaker 1: up next week's episode? Hannah flashed it up, but it

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Speaker 1: was only one. I know I missed it always That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, always a Godmother, Never a God.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the next episode is a season six episode

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Speaker 1: for always a Godmother, Never a God. Thank you Susanne

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Speaker 1: French for your incredibly insightful commentary. Amy Sugarman, Thanks of

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Speaker 1: the English language. Thanks for Squire Squirrels Incorporated.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go squire away my money. If I

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Speaker 3: can record an.

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Speaker 1: Album, why you have so many?

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Speaker 3: If I can record an album with.

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Speaker 1: You, and you knows of something people don't know. Sebastian Boet, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he kind of stole.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he stole the episode, but he

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Speaker 1: definitely stole those scenes.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what just a wonderful for him to and

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Speaker 1: the guitar solos there was.

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Speaker 3: All next week?

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks everybody, Love you best fans on the planet.

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Speaker 1: love it all. I always remember we and I am

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