1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Final hour, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Monday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: out with us as we roll. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Through the program. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Here so many different things to discuss, as we well 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: have been doing. That's why you should go subscribe to 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the podcast. Make sure you don't miss a moment of 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: the program. We understand many of you listening out there 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: at the five hundred plus stations, but also life happens 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: you're running around you may hear part of the show. 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Why not go download the podcast. 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I think 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: that is going to be a fun conversation. Now we 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: have talked all about the ridiculousness of Biden and the 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: white supremacy argument, But who is going to take on 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I would submit to all of you out 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: there that while every single day there is a new 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: poll coming out talking about the Republican primary race, that 28 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: really all that matters right now if you truly break 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: it down, is what's going to happen in Iowa and 30 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, and that what the data reflects is this 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: is not a national primary. It would be the case 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: that if everyone went to go vote for a Republican 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: nominee on January twenty fourth, or whatever the heck the 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: date's going to end up being in Iowa, that Donald 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Trump would be in a really great spot. But Iowa 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: is the caucus. Remember Trump lost Iowa to Ted Cruz 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. It's followed by New Hampshire. Those are 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: not particularly strong states for Trump. And while Ron DeSantis 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: has not yet entered the race, he had a campaign 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: style swing where he went into Iowa. Trump and DeSantis 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: were scheduled to both be in Iowa at the same 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: time eight hundred and two. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Eight two two eight eight two Iowa voters only. 44 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you all right now 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: about how you are setting up this race. Trump said 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: that there was or Trump's team said, hey, there's a 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: tornado warning. We are not going to do our big 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: rally in Iowa. As a result, DeSantis traveled to near 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: where Trump's big rally was going to be and made 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: an argument Tida taken some shots at Trump. 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: Whether it was great. 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: He was excited to be able to interact with everybody. 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: And I do think one argument DeSantis made in Iowa 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: buck is accurate. It's an argument we've been making on 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: this show. Biden will lose if the race is about 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: Biden because he has been an awful disaster of a president. 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: Listen to Ron DeSantis making that case. 58 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: If we make twenty twenty four election a referendum on 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and his failures, and if we provide a 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: positive alternative for the future of this country, Republicans will 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: win across the board. If we do not do that, 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: if we get distracted, if we focus the election on 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: the past or on other side issues, then I think 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: the Democrats are going to beat us again, and I 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: think it'll be very difficult to recover from that defeat. 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Okay, We've made that argument on this program. 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Buck, have you seen enough from DeSantis yet to believe 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: that he could win in Iowa? Do you agree with 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: me that Iowa is its own unique battleground, very different 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: than what might be reflected in the national polls. 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: Well, everyone remembers that even in twenty sixteen, when Trump 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 4: won the nomination and was such a an incredible political force, 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: he lost Iowa to Ted Cruz. So that's I think 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: an indicator that it's a place where now you could say, well, 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: that was before he was president and since then people 76 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: might have changed their minds a lot. Yeah, But if 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: you're looking at the kind of people, the kinds of 78 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: base voters who are going to go to the Caucasus 79 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: and do the whole process, and every year everybody in 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: politics has has to relurn what exactly happens at the 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: Iowa caucuses. 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 5: They're talking in a room and they go talking another. 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Still, to be fair enough, I still don't really understand 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: what goes on. 85 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 4: But at the end of it, you know, they figure 86 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: out who they're who they're supporting, who they're going to 87 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: vote for. And I just think that that's a place 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: where where you're likely to see uh, strength for other 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: candidates period New Hampshire as well. That's where you will 90 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: see strength for non Trump candidates, whoever they may be 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: in the in the primary at this stage. And look, DeSantis, uh, 92 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: did you know the the. 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 5: Culture of losing? Do we already? 94 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 6: Uh? 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, we already? 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: Well, we played we played cut six there, which is hey, 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: if we make this, we haven't played the colts, which 98 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: is a direct attack. 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: So here here is DeSantis taking a real swipe, and 100 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: this is this is what escalated things of it over 101 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: the weekend. Here you know Ron Ron knows how to 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 4: throw a roundhouse to play five. 103 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: Both Florida and Iowa show strong leadership and a bold 104 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: agenda can defeat the left in this country. But there's 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: no substitute for victory. We must reject the culture of 106 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: losing that has infected our party in recent years. The 107 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: time for excuses is. 108 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 5: Over losing and excuses. 109 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: Now you can argue whether that's a veiled I'm not 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: even sure you could say it's a veiled shot at Trump. 111 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty straightforward because this is where a 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: lot of the primary fight comes down to. Right now, 113 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: we did not win Senate control in the last in 114 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: the midterm election, and we should have and people will 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: say why they last that question. We obviously did not 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 4: win the presidency in twenty twenty, and we lost the 117 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: House in twenty eighteen, So there have been a number 118 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 4: of losses here, all of which I think we haven't 119 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: had a full after action assessment of how exactly things 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: went wrong, because there's this belief that the way things 121 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: have been, you know, is actually I think a winning strategy. 122 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: And that's where DeSantis is digging in on this. It's 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: kind of like, do you want to win? Do you 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 4: want to lose? 125 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: And this is where to me, the Caitlan Collins CNN 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: special got this huge win for Trump, but the number 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: one question if Caitlan Collins had truly wanted to be 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: an antagonist, which she did of Trump and get an 130 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: interesting answer, and this is what we said. Trump continues 131 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: to say twenty twenty was rigged, stolen election. That's his argument. 132 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: He's not going to come off of it. The more 133 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: interesting question to me, Buck, and this is one I'd 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: like to see Desantus address. This is what I'd like 135 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: to see everybody out there running for the nomination address, 136 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: including Trump. If twenty twenty was rigged, and both you 137 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: and I agree that twenty twenty was rigged. Let me 138 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: be clear about that. All the big tech companies were 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: rigged against Trump, All the big media were rigged against Trump. 140 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: They provided a profoundly dishonest media coverage of the twenty 141 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty race, no doubt about that. But if you believe, 142 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: as Trump did, that there were millions of votes that 143 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't have existed that existed for Democrats, why is twenty 144 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: twenty four different If they were willing Let's accept the 145 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: premise of Trump's argument. If they were willing to rig 146 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: the election to ensure that Joe Biden won in twenty twenty, 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: why would they not do the same thing in twenty 148 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: twenty four. In other words, my concarn with Trump's argument 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty, Buck, is that it's ultimately not only 150 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: self defeating in the context of talking about the past, 151 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: it also doesn't logically follow that you can win in 152 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. If they were willing to rig the 153 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: election in twenty twenty, why wouldn't they be willing to 154 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: rig the election in twenty twenty four? And Buck, this 155 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: is a question you and I get from a lot 156 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: of the most ardent Trump supporters, And that's why I 157 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: think it's a self defeating argument, not only retrospectively looking 158 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: pat back on the past, but also looking towards the future, 159 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: because the logical extension of that is, if you were 160 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: such a danger in twenty twenty that they would rig 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: the election to keep you from winning, why wouldn't they 162 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: also do that in twenty four And I haven't ever 163 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: heard Trump answer that question in a way where I said, oh, 164 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: you know what, things have changed. 165 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: And I wasn't paying close attention to the weather reports 166 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: on this one, but I did see on line the 167 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: back and forth, and just so everyone knows what happened 168 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: here is you had Trump was scheduled to be in 169 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: Iowa at a outdoor rally and it got called officially 170 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: because of tornado warnings. Ron DeSantis was not far away, 171 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 4: I believe from this, and was photographed seeing people shaking 172 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 4: hands and going going and doing what he had planned 173 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 4: to do. 174 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 5: So this created a fight. 175 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: Among some of the Trump and Desanta supporters online, which 176 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: neither Clay nor I weighed in on. To be clear, 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: We're just watching this unfold and people are saying, yes, 178 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 4: there was a tornado. Other people are saying, no, Trump 179 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: didn't get the numbers and knew it was going to 180 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: be a bad look on a day where DeSantis was 181 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: there and seeming to get lots of enthusiasm in Iowa, 182 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: so he called his own rally off to avoid those optics. 183 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: Now Trump is not you know, he says at Abstuly 184 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: not that's crap, that's unfair. But I could tell you 185 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: I've seen people on both sides of it claiming to 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: be Iowans who know exactly what the news was and 187 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: who knows. You know, this is just people online. But 188 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 4: some are saying, yes, it was for tornadoes. Some are 189 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: saying Trump wasn't getting the numbers. 190 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Well, and then DeSantis gigged him a bit by showing 191 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: up I believe at a barbecue place, ye, standing on 192 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: tables outdoors and saying, man, it's really a beautiful night tonight, 193 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. So I'm not a meteorologist. Let's be clear here, 194 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: Nora is buck. I can't tell you what the legitimacy 195 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: was or was not of the tornado threat. But when 196 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: DeSantis rolls in to basically the same place where Trump 197 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: was going to have his rally, that evening, climbs up 198 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: on a picnic table and talks about what a beautiful 199 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: night it was and shakes hands with everybody around there, 200 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: with his wife Casey in tow I might. 201 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Add, standing up on the on the table. 202 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: I imagine that when those images made their way back 203 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: tomorrow a lago, Trump was not happy with the fact 204 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: that DeSantis is showing up in the same community basically 205 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: where he was supposed to have his rally, talking about 206 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: what a beautiful night it was. So this is look, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa. 207 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: You know, this is the story, and then it's gonna 208 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: be New Hampshire, New Hampshire, New Hampshire. And overwhelmingly the 209 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: stories change in a heartbeat based on what happens in 210 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: those two states. And so as much attention as you know, 211 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: it might make sense to be talking about, Hey, a 212 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: poll came out in Georgia, and then a poll came 213 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: out in Florida, and there's a poll in Washington State 214 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: and all these different individual states. People follow the actual 215 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: election results, and the rubber is going to meet the 216 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: road in January. And so as crazy as it might seem, 217 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: when these guys are showing up at the Iowa State fair, 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and when they're showing up at the sy Hawk game 219 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: between Iowa and Iowa State and when they are shaking 220 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: hands and kissing babies all over the place. Iowa, I believe, 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: is a fertile state for someone to challenge Trump. I 222 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: don't think Trump is super popular there. Maybe DeSantis, maybe 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: Vivic Ramaswami makes a surge. Remember everybody Cruise one Iowa 224 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, if we went back in time eight 225 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: years to this date, Cruse was pulling at two percent 226 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: in Iowa. And then he catches fire going around, people 227 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: decide they like Ted Cruz and he beats Trump. 228 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: And Iowa, and then I was fine. 229 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: I was in New Hampshire for the Republican primary there. 230 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: I was up there and I remember, you know, Trump 231 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: took that one, if memory serves correctly, and so that 232 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: was where and then from then it was like he 233 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: was out in the front of the pack and nobody 234 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: caught him, and it was just it was Trump's world 235 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 4: and everybody was living in it. After New Hampshire, We'll 236 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 4: see how that shakes out this time around. But I'm curious, 237 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: you know, how it strikes you out there the we 238 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: we have a culture of losing on the right. How 239 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 4: do you take that. Do you think it's an effective 240 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: argument and let's be honest, line of attack from DeSantis, 241 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: or do you think that there's only one person who 242 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 4: can turn that culture around and his I was gonna 243 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 4: say his name rhymes with Trump, but no, actually his 244 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: name is just Trump. 245 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: Then would be the way that would go. 246 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: So we'll get to that eight hunder two eight to 247 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 4: two eight a two on those lines, give us a call. 248 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt. 249 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Graduation ceremonies, by the way, going on all over the 250 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: country right now. 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But this 276 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: has basically been used as a veneer to impose an 277 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: ideological agenda, and that is wrong and in fact, if 278 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: you look at the way this has actually been implemented 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: across the country, DEI is better viewed as standing for discrimination, 280 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: exclusion and indoctrination, and that has no place in our 281 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 3: public institutions. 282 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: Okay, that was Governor Roda Santez of Florida signing as 283 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: part of this really heavy in the conservative win column 284 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: legislative session in the state of Florida signing essentially an 285 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 4: end to any state dollars being put toward DEI diversity 286 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: equity inclusion training of any kind. So wokeness and CRT 287 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: and DEI in schools not only against the you know 288 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: the statute, but also defunded in essence. 289 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's big, and look, this is the reality of 290 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: the battles unfortunately that we have to fight, and we 291 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: start off the show talking about this. Really the essence 292 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: of the battle in America today is is American history 293 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: and is the founding of this country a moment of 294 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: pride and exceptionalism in all of history or not? For 295 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: most of our lives, the answer was yes, the founding 296 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: of America was a unique and incredibly bright spot in 297 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: all of human history. This is, in fact, in my opinion, 298 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: and I think many of yours, the greatest country in 299 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: the history of the world. Democrats don't believe that anymore, 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: and they are telling your kids even worse that in fact, 301 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: the history of America is a legacy of oppression and discrimination, 302 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: and that America, instead of representing what Ronald Reagan would 303 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: say as a bright, shining city on a hill, is 304 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: actually representative of evil incarnate in humanity. 305 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: And that is. 306 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: Something that you can't really take a middle of the 307 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: road process on. 308 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: Buck. 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Last time 344 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 4: he was on the show was for Father's Day, but 345 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 4: today it's for a very different reason. We're going to 346 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: dive into his expertise. Dad spent over fifty years on 347 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: Wall Street work for Morgan Stanley and Salomon Brothers ran 348 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 4: his own firm for decades. In eighty seven, he actually 349 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 4: got a ton of press for calling the Black Monday 350 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: stock market crash on TV. He's also called a lot 351 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: of other important moments in the market. Today, we've invited 352 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: him on because he's going public with his first major 353 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: prediction about the market and the economy in years. But first, Dad, welcome. 354 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: Great to have you on the program and tell everybody 355 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 4: out there who's listening, like, what do they need to know. 356 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: We've got a banking crisis, we've got a commercial real 357 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: estate crisis, possibly in the near future. What's happening right now? 358 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 8: Well, but first of all, it's a great honor to 359 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 8: be on your show and with you and Clay, and 360 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 8: this has been a long time coming. But with the 361 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 8: response to your question, this recent banking crisis, which started 362 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 8: out in March, as everybody probably remembers, with the demise 363 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 8: of Silicon Valley Bank, and then it's been followed up 364 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 8: by several other major regional bank failures. This is just 365 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 8: the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion, I think 366 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 8: we're headed for a really difficult time, not only in 367 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 8: banking but the economy. And the stock market, and I 368 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 8: think it's very important that your listeners do everything they 369 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 8: can to protect their assets and take as a defensive 370 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 8: position as possible, at least over the next twelve to 371 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 8: eighteen months. 372 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: Mister Sexton, I appreciate you coming on with us. I've 373 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: been talking on the show and I'm curious, long time 374 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: New York City resident about the dangers of commercial real estate, 375 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: and Buck just kind of tiptoed up to it there 376 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: in his opening question for you. How bad do you 377 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: think this commercial real estate universe is going to get? 378 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: With two things conspiring. One, not as many people are 379 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: now going into the office, and two, due to the 380 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: massive rise in interest rates, so many of these commercial 381 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: real estate deals are going to have to be renegotiated. 382 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: And on paper they might have made sense at two 383 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: and three percent, at six and seven percent, they don't. 384 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: How much of a mess is this going to be? 385 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 8: Well, that's an excellent question, Clay, And of course it 386 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 8: ties directly into the banking crisis because about seventy percent 387 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 8: of loans to small business in this country are made 388 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 8: by regional banks, and their portfolios contain about twenty to 389 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 8: twenty five percent of these commercial real estate loans you're 390 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 8: talking about. So as you've heard probably recently, a number 391 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 8: of these major office buildings on the West coast, particularly 392 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 8: one in San Francisco that in twenty eighteen was valued 393 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 8: at three hundred million dollars, they're not even sure they 394 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 8: can get a bit for sixty million dollars. This is 395 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 8: right in the downtown business section of San Francisco. So 396 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 8: these impairments are just adding to the overall problem in 397 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 8: the banking sector. And one of the reasons that I'm 398 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 8: so negative on the banks and then ultimately on the economy. 399 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 8: What's going to happen is that by the third or 400 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 8: fourth quarter of this year, in my opinion, you're going 401 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 8: to see a really bad recession take hold, partly as 402 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 8: a result of the fact that the regional banks are 403 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 8: pulled back dramatically on lending too small business in this country, 404 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 8: and as I said, small business activity is about seventy 405 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 8: percent of the economy. And then this commercial loan issue 406 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 8: is is going to be persistent, and it's a function 407 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 8: of the what I call the new paradigm, which is 408 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 8: the people don't really want to go into an office 409 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 8: that they don't absolutely have to. They save a lot 410 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 8: of time, they spend more time with their family, and 411 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 8: they're more productive working remotely. So these are major long 412 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 8: term transformations that are impacting the economy and the banking 413 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 8: sector at the same time, and I think they point 414 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 8: to much lower prices in the stock market. 415 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: We're speaking of Mason Sexton, my dad, a fifty year 416 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: veteran of Wall Street, founder of New Paradigm Research and dad. 417 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: To that end, I know if people go to Disruption 418 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three dot com, you're going to be partnering 419 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: with this show. 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Go to legacybox dot com slash 475 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: b U c. 476 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 9: K Sunday Hang with Clay and Bucking a new podcast 477 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 9: to find it on the iHeart app or wherever you 478 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 9: get your podcasts. 479 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: Finishing up the Monday edition of the program, Senator Ram Paul, 480 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: by the way, we'll be on with us tomorrow. Should 481 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: be an interesting conversation with him, given all of the 482 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: chaos and certainty going out. We'll get to a couple 483 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: of year calls, maybe to close out the show, but 484 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we gave this audio compilation 485 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: and also video compilation that has gone viral on social media, 486 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: one of the big things as the COVID emergency officially 487 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: ended last week. Although I flew out to La Buck 488 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: and the number of people still wearing masks when I 489 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: go to New York or La continues to just really 490 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: saden me. And it's even worse when I see like 491 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: a three or four year old being forced to wear 492 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: a mask, which still is happening on airplanes or walking around. 493 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 5: In air child abuse, child abuse. 494 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: I just feel so sorry for those for those kids 495 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: because they don't know any better, and they're they're they're 496 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: truly under zero risk and their parents are continuing. But 497 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: one of the things they've tried to do is shift 498 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: the story about what exactly they told you and what 499 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: they said, and how it is overall impacting this this 500 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: discussion that we're still having at the three years that 501 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: we went through with COVID. And Tom Elliott put together 502 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: a great compilation that I shared on Twitter. I think 503 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: you did as well, but I wanted to make sure 504 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: that you guys heard this is just a part of it, 505 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: a part of the lies that you were told that 506 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: no one wants to take accountability for. 507 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 10: Listen, it is the unvaccinated who are the problem, period, 508 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 10: end of story. 509 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: The only people you can blame. This isn't shaming, this 510 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: is the truth. Maybe they should be shamed, but the unvaccinated. 511 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 7: Vaccinated folks are going to start wearing masks to protect 512 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 7: the unvaccinated folks. 513 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: It's called a Christian value. 514 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 10: If hospitals get any more over proudate, they're going to 515 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 10: have to make some very tough choices about who gets 516 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 10: an ICU. Bet that Troy doesn't seem so tough to me. 517 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 10: Vaccinated person having a heart attack, yes, come right on, 518 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 10: and we'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled 519 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 10: horse gup rest in peace, weezy. 520 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 4: Literally, the only people dying are the unvaccinated. 521 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 8: And for those of you spreading this information, shame on you. 522 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 8: Shame on you. 523 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how some of you. 524 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: Sorry, those individuals should all be forced to sit down, 525 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: look at that clip of themselves and answer for it. 526 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: I mean, if we lived in a society where anyone 527 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: in the media was expected to have the least integrity 528 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: or credibility, clips like that don't exist of you and me. 529 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 4: In fact, they exist of us saying the opposite, which is, 530 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: these mandates are crazy. 531 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: This is wrong. 532 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: They shouldn't be doing this to people. But think about this. 533 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: I mean, Jimmy Kimmel's a comedian and he's taking the 534 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 4: platform where he's supposed to be making you know, glorified 535 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: knock knock jokes and saying that if you won't get 536 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: the vax you deserve to die. Millions of people saw 537 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: that and probably thought, yeah, he's right, because those bad 538 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: unvaxed people. It's monstrous what they did. It's monstrous what 539 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: Joe Biden did. 540 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: No doubt. 541 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: And I saw Elon Musch tweeted this over the weekend 542 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: and said, hey, and we've talked about this certainly on 543 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the show a lot. Remember, but for the three Donald 544 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Trump Supreme Court appointees, the Supreme Court would have signed 545 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: on the idea that Joe Biden could mandate that eighty 546 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: four million of you had to get the COVID shot 547 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: to keep your jobs and buck. 548 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: This is one of the things you know in the 549 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: world of sports. 550 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: When you're wrong on who's going to win the Super Bowl, 551 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: you have to come on your program and own it. 552 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that predictions in. 553 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 5: The world of sports people. 554 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: Are held more accountable for those in the media than 555 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: they are for failures of public policy, which are massive. 556 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: We haven't seen a reckoning. We haven't seen consequences, no one. 557 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: I was visiting with friends from Michigan this weekend. My 558 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: wife grew up. Gretchen Whittener got reelected, even though she 559 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't let you buy seeds for your garden during COVID, 560 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: even though she said, you can't take your boats out 561 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: on the lakes in Michigan, oh by the way, her 562 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: husband did. But you can't eat it in restaurants with 563 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: groups of larger than seven to eight whatever it was, 564 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh by the way, she did that and got caught 565 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: in that too. All of these people who were one 566 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: hundred percent wrong on COVID, who got every public policy 567 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: decision incorrect, no consequences how is it that we hold 568 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: people who predict who's going to win the Super Bowl 569 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: more accountable than we do our elected officials interacting with 570 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: your constitutional freedoms. It's a fundamental failure of the media. 571 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: But it's also a fundamental failure you want to talk 572 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: about dangerous to democracy. If people can make awful decisions 573 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: and there are no consequences for those decisions, then what's 574 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: the point of elections at all. 575 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 4: I would love to have a sit down with various 576 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: Democrats in places like Michigan and just have them explain 577 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: to me how they could feel good casting a vote 578 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 4: for Gretchen Witless Whitmer after what she did to her state, 579 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 4: all of which was wrong. But you know the problem 580 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: is for a lot of people, they want to be 581 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: told what to do. Obedience to authority. For them, they're 582 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 4: like a walking Milgrim experiment. They don't care. They were 583 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 4: told by the man or the woman in the white 584 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 4: lab coat to shock the people, so they shocked the 585 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 4: people because that's what they were told. Independent thought, having 586 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: the character, having the freedom of mind to know what 587 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 4: is true, to care what is true, just doesn't even 588 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 4: enter into their discussion. Kathy from New Braunfells, Texas. You've 589 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: been a very patient. Thanks for calling in. 590 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 7: Thank you, gentlemen, Thank y'all for a great job you're doing. 591 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 7: I knows Russ would be proud of y'all. 592 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 593 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 7: Listen, I listened to I'm a big Trump supporter, but 594 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 7: I listened to Disantis's speech in Iowa. 595 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 6: Oh. 596 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 7: I loved everything he said, And I think once he 597 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 7: finally announces, I truly believe that his numbers will go 598 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 7: up substantially, and I think a lot of independence will 599 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 7: finally come over to his side. But the main point 600 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 7: I'd like to make is when we elect our next 601 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 7: Republican president, it needs to be someone who is capable 602 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 7: of being in office for two terms eight years. 603 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: And we hear that a lot. But thank you for 604 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: the call, Kathy. 605 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: We hear that from a lot now that Trump people 606 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: would say, hey, we'd like to have a Republican president 607 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: for the next twelve years, Trump for four and then 608 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: his Antis could take his turn. 609 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 4: Is Kathy still with us because she had some other 610 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: thought about DeSantis there, Kathy. 611 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: What was it? 612 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 6: Oh? 613 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 7: Well, I loved everything that diss Hannah said. He said, 614 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 7: we're in Texas and so I love it when he 615 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 7: talked about how quickly he got the bridges rebuilt after 616 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 7: the hurricane there in Florida, and then he said, and 617 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 7: we'll send guys to Texas and build that wall for 618 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 7: y'all and get it. 619 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: Done there we go. Thank you, Thank you so much. 620 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 4: Kathy appreciated Paul in Duluth. 621 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 5: What's going on? 622 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 6: Paul? Hey, guys, you know, for everyone that's showing Annaheuser 623 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 6: Bush how they feel and spending their money elsewhere, I 624 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 6: plogged them, But Miller and Cores are laughing all the 625 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 6: way to the bank. If anyone spends just ten minutes 626 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 6: on each one of those companies websites, they'll find out 627 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 6: the millions of dollars a year that they fork over 628 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 6: to various Rainbow mafia and shrans, terrorist organizations, pride events, 629 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 6: you name it, hand over fist every year is we're 630 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 6: giving money away. The only thing that they haven't done 631 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 6: that Anhuser Busch has done is make the dumbass mistake 632 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 6: of putting a Dylan mulvaney type face on one of 633 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 6: their cans. That's it. 634 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they haven't done it yet because the ad 635 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: where they apologize for having girls in bikinis help to 636 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: sell beer. It's kind of going down that pathway. 637 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: And this is why. 638 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: Look, I think the bud Light boycott has been wildly 639 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: successful because the one thing I will say is it 640 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: forced for the first time Buck a company to think, wait, 641 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: we can crush our business by being too woke, because 642 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: you could up to this point say okay, where is 643 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: the company now? I think I think Disney is starting 644 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: to hit some body blows and we talked a little 645 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: bit about this. I think the fact that they can't 646 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: grow in the United States is partly a function that 647 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: people are getting fed up with the woke Disney universe, 648 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: but that could be a larger streaming context battle that 649 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: they're dealing with. Bud Light is the first time Buck 650 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: I can remember somebody legitimately getting knocked out in the 651 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: ring by being too woke. 652 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 4: How is the Little Mermaid remake doing with a the black. 653 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 5: Uh not out? 654 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: Mermaid comes out this weekend. I believe, Oh it's. 655 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 5: It's coming out. 656 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that one week. 657 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 4: I'm wondering how those numbers are in that one. And 658 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 4: then and then there's also the the controversy around the 659 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 4: Netflix with a black Cleopatra. Yes, a historical figure who 660 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 4: may be a surprise to Netflix maybe not. Was definitely 661 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 4: not black. 662 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Egyptian people are super fired up about this 663 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: idea and and to your point, Buck, but. 664 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,240 Speaker 5: She wasn't Arab. 665 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 4: She was Greek, effectively by ethnicity because of the way 666 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 4: the ancient Mediterranean was colonized. But anyway, No, you're right, 667 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 4: and it's turned into a huge story that's a Netflix documentary. 668 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 4: I also, look, I'm a big I've got kids. We 669 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 4: go to a lot of movies. 670 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: I'd never really bought into understanding why making an animated 671 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: movie over as a non animated movie is something that 672 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: I really want to go see, right, Like The Little Mermaid? 673 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: Okay, great movie. 674 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: Back in the early nineties, I went and watched Aladdin 675 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: with Will Smith as the Genie, and it was fine. 676 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: Whatever I took my kids wasn't like I was like, Oh, 677 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: I've got to go see the live action version of 678 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: the Latin just FYI. 679 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 2: I was there. 680 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I bought it first day, solo, sitting in the front seat. No, 681 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand why people, if you like The Little Mermaid, 682 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: put on the animated film. Are there tons of people 683 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: who are like I need a real life Little Mermaids. 684 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 2: We're in the truth zone right now. 685 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 5: Did you go see Shazam back in the day. 686 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was pretty good. Actually, now, Juzanna was pretty. 687 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 5: Good, he said. 688 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 9: Lay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.