WEBVTT - Two Sides to Every Suspect 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:16.965 School of Humans. We're ever going to get the right person. 0:00:17.205 --> 0:00:19.565 Knowing where everyone was is getting to be really important, 0:00:19.605 --> 0:00:22.605 That's what I would say. So we have several issues 0:00:22.645 --> 0:00:25.805 we need to clear up with Casey's timeline. Exactly when 0:00:25.805 --> 0:00:28.805 did he leave work on Monday, how did he get home, 0:00:29.245 --> 0:00:32.165 and did he go home on Tuesday to change before work, 0:00:32.525 --> 0:00:35.085 and if he did, how did he miss the mess 0:00:35.085 --> 0:00:37.285 of the crime scene. If we're going to get to 0:00:37.285 --> 0:00:39.925 the bottom of this, we need to find some of 0:00:39.965 --> 0:00:42.725 the people who were working at Sonic on the Monday 0:00:42.765 --> 0:00:46.125 Rebecca disappeared. Taylor has been texting one of our local 0:00:46.125 --> 0:00:48.885 contacts who was working at the Sonic around the time 0:00:48.965 --> 0:00:52.085 Rebecca was killed. They mentioned a story we have also 0:00:52.125 --> 0:00:55.965 heard from multiple people that Casey had gone home between 0:00:56.085 --> 0:00:59.325 leaving work on Monday and returning to work on Tuesday. 0:01:00.285 --> 0:01:02.805 This person claims to be in communication with a couple 0:01:02.885 --> 0:01:05.445 of other people who allegedly spoke to Casey about this. 0:01:06.485 --> 0:01:09.365 If we could find a way to absolutely verify this information, 0:01:09.805 --> 0:01:13.405 it could be a game changer. His story was consistent 0:01:13.485 --> 0:01:15.485 in the beginning that he did not go home right, 0:01:15.805 --> 0:01:18.005 So if we can even if he did, even if 0:01:18.165 --> 0:01:19.605 we get him to admit, yeah, I went home to 0:01:19.645 --> 0:01:21.965 change shirts, or we find someone who can absolutely verify 0:01:22.005 --> 0:01:24.365 that he said that, that he mentioned going home to 0:01:24.445 --> 0:01:26.365 change shirts, or that the timeline was a little weird. 0:01:26.605 --> 0:01:29.285 That right there is enough to reopen the investigation because 0:01:29.725 --> 0:01:34.165 he was, by Charlie's own words, suspect number one. Charlie 0:01:34.205 --> 0:01:36.725 was the first officer on the scene. He was the 0:01:36.765 --> 0:01:39.645 one who found the blood in Casey's house, and the 0:01:39.645 --> 0:01:42.085 reason they ruled him out was because of his airtight alibi. 0:01:42.645 --> 0:01:45.165 If we could quite poke a hole in that, then 0:01:45.285 --> 0:01:46.965 they've got it. They got to take another look. They 0:01:46.965 --> 0:01:48.765 have to, like, I really just want to talk to 0:01:48.805 --> 0:01:51.045 these people who were working at Sonic. I just want 0:01:51.085 --> 0:01:54.325 to know how he got home, when he went home, 0:01:54.405 --> 0:02:03.725 and if he actually did go home. In September of 0:02:03.725 --> 0:02:07.205 two thousand and four, two year old Rebecca Gould was 0:02:07.245 --> 0:02:10.685 brutally murdered in a remote area of the Arkansas Ozarks. 0:02:11.445 --> 0:02:16.005 Fourteen years later, her killer is still out there. I've 0:02:16.005 --> 0:02:19.165 come back to Mountain View with one mission to get 0:02:19.325 --> 0:02:32.445 justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. 0:02:32.565 --> 0:02:36.045 We're over two months into our investigation and Taylor and 0:02:36.085 --> 0:02:38.285 I stepped back to look at the whole murder board. 0:02:38.365 --> 0:02:43.565 So far, so many threads, so many dead ends, so 0:02:43.685 --> 0:02:47.845 many post it notes. As I trace the line spider 0:02:47.845 --> 0:02:52.605 webbing from picture to picture, I see many of the rumors, accusations, 0:02:52.645 --> 0:02:55.365 and same questions that the town won't let go of. 0:02:56.245 --> 0:02:59.285 We've followed a lot of leads and investigated a lot 0:02:59.285 --> 0:03:01.885 of the rumors that we've heard in town, and by 0:03:01.965 --> 0:03:05.005 following the evidence, we've eliminated a lot of them as 0:03:05.085 --> 0:03:12.765 likely sos JB, Chris, Jennifer, the group theory, hundreds of 0:03:12.765 --> 0:03:16.245 other names we've heard, but we're having a harder time 0:03:16.285 --> 0:03:20.405 with Casey. Ironically enough, the first and only person that 0:03:20.445 --> 0:03:23.285 the police have cleared. Like I said in the beginning, 0:03:24.125 --> 0:03:27.765 everyone in this case has at least two sides. Is 0:03:27.885 --> 0:03:31.205 Casey the sweet, caring boyfriend who is head over heels 0:03:31.205 --> 0:03:34.765 for Rebecca that his friends describe, or the care bear 0:03:34.885 --> 0:03:38.805 psycho that Danielle talked about. I get a call from 0:03:38.845 --> 0:03:41.805 someone who has been following the case and the podcast. 0:03:42.645 --> 0:03:45.485 He dated Rebecca shortly before her murder and had an 0:03:45.485 --> 0:03:47.965 interaction with Casey that he can't get out of his head. 0:03:48.565 --> 0:03:51.365 An ex boyfriend could have an ax to grind, so 0:03:51.445 --> 0:03:53.965 we have to check his story carefully, but a quick 0:03:54.005 --> 0:03:58.125 call with Danielle, Rebecca's sister, confirmed that he did date 0:03:58.165 --> 0:04:01.925 Rebecca and also confirmed a lot of the details. He mentions, well, 0:04:02.045 --> 0:04:06.205 and at a club, it's no longer open and fathful, 0:04:06.845 --> 0:04:09.045 and a girlfriend of mine introduced me and are together. 0:04:09.605 --> 0:04:11.845 We dated for I guess it was like three or 0:04:11.845 --> 0:04:14.605 four weeks. Probably it was like a month or two 0:04:14.685 --> 0:04:18.045 before she got killed. I thank our first date was 0:04:18.285 --> 0:04:20.325 pretty much like I went to we were going to 0:04:20.365 --> 0:04:23.085 go lix store, have a few trains, and you know, 0:04:23.125 --> 0:04:24.925 it was just hanging out and it was me and 0:04:25.005 --> 0:04:28.885 her and her sister and her sister at their house. Well, 0:04:28.925 --> 0:04:31.325 we left and we went to one liquor store and 0:04:31.405 --> 0:04:32.885 it was sposed, so we went to the other one 0:04:32.885 --> 0:04:35.085 and it was both. So we ended up just drinking 0:04:35.125 --> 0:04:37.165 what we had. I mean, because that's the others today. Back, 0:04:37.205 --> 0:04:40.365 I was like my backgrounds and drank beer. Like most 0:04:40.365 --> 0:04:43.565 of the men in Rebecca's life, he was smitten, but 0:04:43.645 --> 0:04:46.325 it didn't take him long to realize their relationship could 0:04:46.365 --> 0:04:49.365 not go further because there was someone causing drama in 0:04:49.405 --> 0:04:54.485 Rebecca's life, and that someone was Casey Casey was not 0:04:54.965 --> 0:04:57.645 like he was just apparently she had like slipped him 0:04:57.685 --> 0:05:00.565 one time and he just was like blisk and she 0:05:00.725 --> 0:05:03.565 just wanted to be friends. Well he had like showed 0:05:03.685 --> 0:05:06.965 up there just out of the blue, but he I 0:05:07.045 --> 0:05:10.285 ended up being like civil whipping and stuff. And at 0:05:10.285 --> 0:05:12.405 the end of the night we were all getting ready 0:05:12.445 --> 0:05:16.325 to like to go to bed and stuff, well he 0:05:16.445 --> 0:05:19.565 was just standing like he would not leave, just not leave. 0:05:19.845 --> 0:05:22.565 It was like very uncomfortable, and like they like went 0:05:22.605 --> 0:05:24.765 outside and talked for a second. Like he was just 0:05:24.845 --> 0:05:29.365 falling and crying and just like emotionally just straw over everything. 0:05:29.525 --> 0:05:31.125 Like I was fixing on leave. I was just like, 0:05:31.325 --> 0:05:33.445 screw this, I'm going back home. I ain't got time 0:05:33.445 --> 0:05:35.405 to deal with this trauma. And I was like, your 0:05:35.405 --> 0:05:37.125 boy out there is fixing the freak out and if 0:05:37.165 --> 0:05:38.845 he comes in there starting anything, then on the handle. 0:05:38.925 --> 0:05:41.405 And he's like, no, I'll take care of it. If 0:05:41.405 --> 0:05:43.845 he does, he'll be fine. I was like, here he is, 0:05:43.885 --> 0:05:46.125 you know, acting the pool. I'm like, look, man, I'm 0:05:46.165 --> 0:05:47.685 just gonna shut you down right now. Like if you 0:05:47.685 --> 0:05:49.525 can want to go, we can go. Otherwise you need 0:05:49.525 --> 0:05:51.605 to keep your mouth shut because you don't found me, Like, 0:05:51.685 --> 0:05:53.645 I mean, she was like all the time, he was 0:05:53.725 --> 0:05:56.965 like constantly showing up where she was, wanting to know 0:05:56.965 --> 0:05:59.245 where she was, Like I just wanted to know where 0:05:59.245 --> 0:06:02.645 she was at twenty four seven, just controlling, and I 0:06:02.685 --> 0:06:05.285 guess he had done that to a couple other people 0:06:05.525 --> 0:06:07.045 and they didn't really want to like put up with 0:06:07.085 --> 0:06:08.565 it or deal with it, so they just kind of 0:06:08.605 --> 0:06:10.765 like backed off. But every time we was together, he 0:06:10.885 --> 0:06:13.485 was constantly pulling her phone up, like messaging her like 0:06:13.485 --> 0:06:15.325 where are you at, what are you doing? Who you with? 0:06:16.085 --> 0:06:19.445 I mean, it was just it was just not very 0:06:19.525 --> 0:06:23.285 overly possessive of her for them just being friends, which 0:06:23.325 --> 0:06:27.165 I know she stayed with him on and off, but 0:06:27.285 --> 0:06:29.325 she would say there because it was close to where 0:06:29.365 --> 0:06:30.885 she worked and she didn't have to drive all the 0:06:30.885 --> 0:06:33.325 way backs nowt but there, I mean, he was just emotional, 0:06:33.445 --> 0:06:35.405 like just I mean he falled and cried like he 0:06:35.525 --> 0:06:38.765 or three times, you know that, not like once whenever 0:06:39.205 --> 0:06:41.245 he had got there and like found out that me 0:06:41.285 --> 0:06:43.645 and her was actually going out, you know, somewhere and 0:06:43.685 --> 0:06:45.965 doing something. And then at the end of the night, 0:06:46.085 --> 0:06:47.405 like when they went out by it was just he 0:06:47.485 --> 0:06:49.845 was just like falling in crime and just I mean 0:06:49.885 --> 0:06:51.205 I just kind of let it go and I was 0:06:51.245 --> 0:06:53.965 just like, Okay, you know, it was nice meeting you 0:06:53.965 --> 0:06:55.725 out talking with you. Things don't work out. A holler 0:06:55.765 --> 0:06:57.365 at me, and I just kind of left at the back. 0:06:57.805 --> 0:07:00.005 I was like a month or two later, you know, 0:07:00.045 --> 0:07:02.445 everybody had work knew that I me and her were 0:07:02.645 --> 0:07:05.925 somewhat dating. That was like, hey, you know her boyfriend 0:07:06.005 --> 0:07:08.965 and like her boyfriend like she was with Casey. I 0:07:09.005 --> 0:07:11.605 was like, that's our boyfriend. And she's like, well she's missing, 0:07:11.725 --> 0:07:14.925 and I'm like what. Just his demeanor and everything, like 0:07:14.925 --> 0:07:19.885 he's controlling. You can tell he's just really that sheid 0:07:19.885 --> 0:07:21.565 when she looked up to the way her dad was 0:07:21.645 --> 0:07:23.605 and like what he had and what he had accomplished, 0:07:23.685 --> 0:07:25.365 and like, you know, she's like, I want to be 0:07:25.365 --> 0:07:27.365 successful in my life. I want to do this, I 0:07:27.365 --> 0:07:28.965 want to do that. Like she had so much schedules 0:07:29.045 --> 0:07:31.885 and dreams and ambition. She was just stuck between that 0:07:32.005 --> 0:07:36.405 babe of like growing up and you know, actually accomplishing 0:07:36.485 --> 0:07:39.165 things and doing things that she wanted to do, and 0:07:39.165 --> 0:07:42.245 then being stuck into you know, being young dom and 0:07:43.085 --> 0:07:46.605 you know, having fun. As he talks about a relationship 0:07:46.645 --> 0:07:49.325 with Rebecca, a picture of what she was going through 0:07:49.365 --> 0:07:52.845 at the time of her murder begins to emerge. Rebecca 0:07:53.005 --> 0:07:56.605 was trying to play down her relationship with Casey. She 0:07:56.765 --> 0:07:59.765 thought of Casey as a friend with a crush. He 0:07:59.965 --> 0:08:03.525 was her past, not her future. He's also like very 0:08:03.565 --> 0:08:07.445 shy and timid, right, you know, like his personality, like 0:08:07.485 --> 0:08:10.045 I mean he's going to be loud about something like 0:08:10.085 --> 0:08:13.005 he was that night, and then once I shut him down, 0:08:13.725 --> 0:08:15.445 he was just like, Okay, I don't want to cross 0:08:15.485 --> 0:08:18.485 them lines because you know, I don't think he's in 0:08:18.565 --> 0:08:22.725 enough fire or anything whve either. And I mean I 0:08:22.805 --> 0:08:24.965 wasn't too worried about him because he was very you know, 0:08:25.045 --> 0:08:27.725 shining timid. You know, I deal with the ex strama 0:08:27.805 --> 0:08:29.805 before with you know, other people that I tell you, 0:08:29.845 --> 0:08:32.045 and I just wasn't really wanted to deal with that. 0:08:33.085 --> 0:08:35.205 I even think I went up to sing It one 0:08:35.285 --> 0:08:39.445 time after we started dating to talk to him, and 0:08:39.485 --> 0:08:41.605 he wouldn't come out and talk to me because the 0:08:41.645 --> 0:08:43.645 guys from Mark would go up there and eat and stuff. 0:08:43.685 --> 0:08:45.885 And I guess he had been up there running his 0:08:46.005 --> 0:08:48.205 mouth about me, saying he's going to beat my at 0:08:48.325 --> 0:08:50.125 and just done this and he was gonna have at 0:08:50.165 --> 0:08:51.845 and one day after work, I just went up there 0:08:51.845 --> 0:08:53.485 and I was like, hey, you in, we got a problem. 0:08:53.805 --> 0:08:56.005 He's like no, and he's just running right back inside. 0:08:56.445 --> 0:08:58.845 I mean, I just want to see something that I 0:08:58.845 --> 0:09:00.645 can't believe it's just gotten. I mean, it just kind 0:09:00.685 --> 0:09:02.725 of got very like you heard a lot about it 0:09:03.125 --> 0:09:05.685 when it first happened, like she was missing, everybody find her. 0:09:05.965 --> 0:09:09.325 And then once they found her, it's like everything just 0:09:09.365 --> 0:09:12.885 kind of went hush hush, like they didn't release no information. 0:09:12.965 --> 0:09:15.085 They didn't. Really. The only thing that I remember them 0:09:15.165 --> 0:09:18.885 releasing was that Casey had been clear. That's the only 0:09:18.965 --> 0:09:22.405 thing that's absensive as he was, is she left like 0:09:22.525 --> 0:09:25.645 he's supposed like they say he's supposedly she's supposedly left 0:09:25.645 --> 0:09:28.605 and went to college and he didn't hear from her, 0:09:29.245 --> 0:09:31.965 and he would be flipping out that night. He wouldn't 0:09:31.965 --> 0:09:34.485 be out partying and drinking. I' tell you that right now, 0:09:34.805 --> 0:09:37.165 just from his demeanor. He's not going to be out 0:09:37.165 --> 0:09:39.725 partying drinking and be like, oh you know, I mean 0:09:39.725 --> 0:09:43.325 because obviously he went home the next day, you know whatever. 0:09:43.845 --> 0:09:46.365 I mean, it's me, it's just don't it don't make sense. 0:09:48.125 --> 0:09:50.685 Wish you the best and just you know, I mean, 0:09:50.765 --> 0:09:53.925 just be careful of the people that you're around up there. 0:09:54.125 --> 0:09:56.405 I mean, it's just a bunch. I mean, it's such 0:09:56.405 --> 0:10:02.965 a small town. I really wish I could get Casey 0:10:03.045 --> 0:10:07.565 to talk. We have two questions that need answering. One 0:10:08.245 --> 0:10:11.245 did Casey go home at any point between the murder 0:10:11.285 --> 0:10:14.565 and work the next day? And two, how did Casey 0:10:14.605 --> 0:10:17.445 get to his friend's house after work? We need to 0:10:17.445 --> 0:10:19.845 lock in what Casey was doing on the day Rebecca 0:10:19.965 --> 0:10:23.845 was murdered, because we're hearing conflicting stories about his timeline 0:10:24.165 --> 0:10:27.165 and his relationship with Rebecca. But one of his co 0:10:27.365 --> 0:10:31.045 workers must know something, so we focus on tracking down 0:10:31.165 --> 0:10:33.965 one of Casey's friends who also worked at Sonic, the 0:10:34.045 --> 0:10:37.645 same friend he was out all Monday night with Laren. 0:10:39.565 --> 0:10:42.165 He was pretty easy to find because it's not like 0:10:42.245 --> 0:10:45.205 Laren is a common name in the area. He suggests 0:10:45.205 --> 0:10:48.005 meeting at a Starbucks and Little Rock near where he lives. 0:10:49.565 --> 0:10:51.925 I didn't talked to him a couple of years. When 0:10:51.965 --> 0:10:54.165 my mom's always like, I saw Casey at the Dollar Story, 0:10:54.205 --> 0:10:59.525 and when I'm doing well, he's yeah, he's married now, Yeah, 0:10:59.725 --> 0:11:05.005 Laren is huge, six foot nine. When he smiles, he 0:11:05.045 --> 0:11:06.525 looks like the kind of guy I would want to 0:11:06.525 --> 0:11:10.005 have a beer with. But he's also very physically intimidating. 0:11:10.605 --> 0:11:12.725 And then once we started working together, me and Casey 0:11:12.805 --> 0:11:18.285 got real close. There's history there with basketball, and then 0:11:18.605 --> 0:11:21.165 music was what me and Casey were, you know, we 0:11:21.685 --> 0:11:25.325 really connected about right, he was what he was, but 0:11:25.485 --> 0:11:27.685 he was a great musician, and I love music, and 0:11:27.805 --> 0:11:31.245 you know, I wasn't so inclined at the time. But 0:11:31.285 --> 0:11:33.085 what we're Rebecca in Casey like was a couple of 0:11:34.845 --> 0:11:41.285 I'm a very lovely dovey, I'm very just sickening, you know, 0:11:41.605 --> 0:11:45.325 that kind of thing, like if you did yeah, yeah, 0:11:45.525 --> 0:11:51.605 and gosh they and it was, like we said, we 0:11:51.605 --> 0:11:53.445 were like be guarded because he seemed more in her 0:11:53.525 --> 0:11:56.525 than she wasn't him just being honest, you know, But 0:11:56.725 --> 0:11:59.405 she also seemed like she was just trying to start fresh, 0:11:59.525 --> 0:12:01.605 like she was trying to get away from all that shit, 0:12:01.885 --> 0:12:04.565 and she really was that they as a couple, they 0:12:04.565 --> 0:12:07.885 were just doinggether. I mean, I can't even that's what 0:12:07.925 --> 0:12:10.205 I sink. Trying thing yesterday too, Like my mind's been 0:12:10.285 --> 0:12:12.365 racing for the last twenty four hours trying to remember 0:12:12.525 --> 0:12:17.045 like little stuff, and you know, I can't. I couldn't 0:12:17.045 --> 0:12:19.765 remember how long they've been together when that happened. I 0:12:19.805 --> 0:12:22.605 can't remember. I can't remember when I was told that 0:12:22.685 --> 0:12:24.525 she had been murdered, like where I was or what 0:12:24.565 --> 0:12:28.085 we was doing. I remember the investigators and then I remember, 0:12:29.525 --> 0:12:33.205 you know, of course, you know, us trying to you know, 0:12:33.325 --> 0:12:36.565 minute by minute break down the day the day before. 0:12:37.125 --> 0:12:42.645 What did the investigators asked, Bess, you know, like, what 0:12:42.645 --> 0:12:45.525 what did you guys do? They were more interested and 0:12:45.565 --> 0:12:48.165 I'm pretty sure having all of us sit down and 0:12:48.285 --> 0:12:50.485 went that night and telling them the story or make 0:12:50.525 --> 0:12:53.205 sure it wasn't something that we were blowing smoke or whatever, 0:12:53.285 --> 0:12:54.725 you know, because it took them a little while to 0:12:54.725 --> 0:12:57.245 get the camera and the receipts and all that stuff. 0:12:58.325 --> 0:13:00.925 They were more about the night, you know, wanting to 0:13:00.965 --> 0:13:03.445 know where case he was, did he ever leave at anytime? 0:13:03.685 --> 0:13:06.165 You know, did stuff like that? You know, and you know, 0:13:06.205 --> 0:13:09.285 obviously we all slept that night eventually, so I mean 0:13:09.405 --> 0:13:11.325 that was another thing. It's that I like, is it 0:13:11.405 --> 0:13:13.285 possible that I could have got up in the middle 0:13:13.285 --> 0:13:14.925 of the night, left my house and then come back 0:13:15.005 --> 0:13:18.685 in the amount of time that we were asleep, and 0:13:18.885 --> 0:13:22.965 I just don't think it was possible. All of us 0:13:23.005 --> 0:13:25.925 had pretty loud vehicles, and at my place, we'd like 0:13:26.125 --> 0:13:28.245 to be able to hear people coming and going. We 0:13:28.245 --> 0:13:31.805 were always praying touch and that's another thing. They were like, 0:13:31.845 --> 0:13:34.525 you do. They're like, look, we're like, just be transparent. 0:13:34.565 --> 0:13:36.445 We don't give a shit about weed. We're not trying 0:13:36.445 --> 0:13:38.725 to bunch a bunch of teenagers mo weed, like you know, 0:13:38.765 --> 0:13:43.445 obviously we're trying to you know. Yeah, we uh, we 0:13:43.485 --> 0:13:46.485 all had a good time together. But it was God. 0:13:47.885 --> 0:13:49.845 So I just one more time. That was so the 0:13:49.925 --> 0:13:52.325 day of the day was not happened Monday, So you 0:13:52.325 --> 0:13:57.165 guys left work that was on Monday. When we got home, 0:13:57.205 --> 0:13:58.645 we would have watch wrestling Man, so we would have 0:13:58.645 --> 0:14:01.685 probably been up a little later. See, wasn't with you guys? 0:14:01.765 --> 0:14:04.485 Then you wrote with Philip, I think so, I think 0:14:04.765 --> 0:14:07.045 because I don't think the car at the time. I know, 0:14:07.525 --> 0:14:11.485 I know, for whatever reason, he was without vehicle. Where 0:14:11.565 --> 0:14:14.805 was Casey's truck? And if Rebecca drove him to work, 0:14:15.405 --> 0:14:18.765 how was he planning on getting home? I remember specifically 0:14:18.805 --> 0:14:20.565 didn't have vehicle because when we got back home and 0:14:20.605 --> 0:14:22.405 he started saying like, man, I can't get ahold of Rebeck. 0:14:22.405 --> 0:14:23.885 I'm kind of worried about it. We were all like, dude, 0:14:23.925 --> 0:14:25.925 let's just go to bed. She's fine, because we would 0:14:25.925 --> 0:14:28.245 have had to taste, which we probably should have, or 0:14:28.245 --> 0:14:30.005 maybe we would have walked in and got murdering on it. 0:14:31.285 --> 0:14:33.045 Do you remember what time y'all went to bed that night? 0:14:34.845 --> 0:14:38.045 It seemed like we watched a normal like seven o'clock movie, 0:14:39.845 --> 0:14:44.325 came back when we probably did our things. We uh, 0:14:45.605 --> 0:14:48.565 probably midnight one. I mean, it's a normal night. I'd 0:14:48.565 --> 0:14:50.325 have to just guess on a normal night, because I 0:14:50.605 --> 0:14:54.405 you know, I was he like, he seemed totally normal 0:14:54.445 --> 0:14:57.365 that night or no, I don't think like because, like 0:14:57.405 --> 0:15:03.005 I said, it seemed like, see, this is the part 0:15:03.005 --> 0:15:05.485 where it's like I don't I'm just trying to remember 0:15:05.565 --> 0:15:06.965 it that way or if that's the way it was. 0:15:07.005 --> 0:15:10.605 But it seemed like there was like an understanding that 0:15:10.685 --> 0:15:15.845 she was about to have a confrontation that was gonna 0:15:15.845 --> 0:15:19.565 be something that she was that He was like, I 0:15:19.565 --> 0:15:23.045 hope it goes well. Something like that kind of looming, Like, 0:15:23.205 --> 0:15:24.965 you know, she had some things she had to take 0:15:25.005 --> 0:15:26.525 care of, that's why she had the truck, and she 0:15:26.685 --> 0:15:30.085 was gonna try to I don't know that, and I 0:15:30.125 --> 0:15:31.885 don't want to say that, and then that be you know, 0:15:32.045 --> 0:15:34.245 the off. But I feel like that's what I remember. 0:15:34.885 --> 0:15:37.685 Laren doesn't remember a whole lot. And to be fair, 0:15:37.845 --> 0:15:41.725 it has been fourteen years. In my experience as an investigator, 0:15:42.125 --> 0:15:45.365 people tend to remember specific detail around crucial events in 0:15:45.405 --> 0:15:49.525 their lives. But Monday started out. It's just an average day. 0:15:49.925 --> 0:15:52.685 There's no way I could say intelligently who worked No 0:15:52.845 --> 0:15:55.605 fair enough, I mean, is there any way like if 0:15:55.605 --> 0:15:57.325 one y'all wanted to take time off during the day, 0:15:57.325 --> 0:16:01.165 you could have I mean all the time, like hey 0:16:01.205 --> 0:16:03.285 I need to go run do something. I'm sure we 0:16:03.285 --> 0:16:04.645 were all really close. So if it was like I 0:16:04.685 --> 0:16:07.125 need to go do something, sure whatever. You know what 0:16:07.245 --> 0:16:13.845 time did Casey finish? Usually at some point he went 0:16:13.885 --> 0:16:17.085 to just days, like he didn't want to work nights anymore. 0:16:17.165 --> 0:16:19.005 But that was the nature of the store. Was like 0:16:19.045 --> 0:16:21.845 you sometimes like your schedule could look like this Monday, 0:16:23.365 --> 0:16:25.205 you could open at seven and get off at one 0:16:25.325 --> 0:16:28.045 or two. You could come in Tuesday eleven to four. 0:16:28.245 --> 0:16:30.645 You could go four to close on Wednesday, you could 0:16:30.685 --> 0:16:34.045 come back in six to sixty ten on. It was 0:16:34.125 --> 0:16:37.365 just always but Casey eventually got to where he just 0:16:37.365 --> 0:16:39.205 just worked days, you know, and he was you know, 0:16:39.245 --> 0:16:41.605 he was as far as Goods and Sonic go, and 0:16:42.085 --> 0:16:43.485 he was one of them. He was one of the 0:16:43.525 --> 0:16:45.685 best we had, you know, so we always had him 0:16:45.725 --> 0:16:48.245 in the prime times. Once we left the store, I 0:16:48.485 --> 0:16:50.085 know for a fact that he was never anywhere but 0:16:50.165 --> 0:16:53.325 with us, right and the moments leading up to that, 0:16:53.605 --> 0:16:55.845 which I'm pretty sure she dropped him off, but if she, 0:16:57.045 --> 0:16:58.725 if he worked that morning, she would have dropped him 0:16:58.725 --> 0:17:01.405 off that morning, yes, with his truck, and then he 0:17:01.445 --> 0:17:04.565 would have worked, and then he would have waited for 0:17:04.605 --> 0:17:06.405 one of us to go off work to roll out 0:17:06.445 --> 0:17:08.365 to my place, and then we would have went out. 0:17:08.365 --> 0:17:12.045 But I can't remember how he got to our house. 0:17:12.085 --> 0:17:14.005 And also I don't remember why we went back to 0:17:14.085 --> 0:17:15.605 my house, because we could have just left and went 0:17:15.645 --> 0:17:17.405 to walk, had hit to baseball. But it may have 0:17:17.485 --> 0:17:20.925 been a change small tunes. But I do know that 0:17:21.005 --> 0:17:23.085 for a fact we was wound up back at my place, 0:17:23.245 --> 0:17:26.085 then back to Batesville, and then back to my place, 0:17:26.405 --> 0:17:28.405 and he was with us, you know, the whole time. 0:17:30.285 --> 0:17:32.805 And then we slept and he got up the next 0:17:32.845 --> 0:17:36.485 morning and left. But uh, I don't want to say, Philip, 0:17:36.925 --> 0:17:39.445 I don't think I worked that morning. The next morning. 0:17:40.725 --> 0:17:44.965 For some reason, I seem to recall like watching him 0:17:45.005 --> 0:17:49.245 and leave. You know, I was excited when you called 0:17:49.245 --> 0:17:51.285 because I want to get, you know, closer to this. 0:17:51.445 --> 0:17:53.645 But that's how it's gonna happen, is now going back 0:17:53.685 --> 0:17:56.285 piece of things together, things that you didn't think were important, 0:17:56.285 --> 0:17:58.245 because when it happens, you know, you can't focus on 0:17:58.965 --> 0:18:01.405 I don't know, I watched too many shows. You've seen 0:18:01.445 --> 0:18:05.125 me a few people. It's a tough one. Yeah. And 0:18:05.125 --> 0:18:10.525 then when you allow yourself to be objective, like you know, moving, 0:18:10.605 --> 0:18:13.645 you know, going forward to remove myself from you know, 0:18:13.685 --> 0:18:15.605 Casey being one of my best friends ever, you start 0:18:15.645 --> 0:18:18.325 to think like wow, you know, and I mean that's 0:18:18.365 --> 0:18:20.245 it too. Is you got to know where that is 0:18:20.285 --> 0:18:21.965 to get to it. Have you ever been there? Yeah, 0:18:22.005 --> 0:18:24.045 I'm sure you have. I mean, just driven Bob, and 0:18:24.125 --> 0:18:26.245 it's that was another thing that got me and I 0:18:26.285 --> 0:18:29.405 know we're chasing rabbits. I've got I've got all the 0:18:29.405 --> 0:18:31.245 time in the world. See. That was another thing was 0:18:31.805 --> 0:18:33.525 if you look at like if you know that area 0:18:33.645 --> 0:18:41.085 well enough, if you're if you're from Mountain View, why 0:18:41.285 --> 0:18:44.085 I go back through Melbourne to where they found your body? 0:18:45.045 --> 0:18:48.605 You know, Like I mean maybe like if they see 0:18:48.645 --> 0:18:50.325 me going through Mountaine they're gonna fuck with me because 0:18:50.325 --> 0:18:53.165 they always do. You know, maybe I'd rather go through 0:18:53.205 --> 0:18:58.805 Melbourne or you know, or is it because you know, 0:18:59.405 --> 0:19:00.925 like did they go through Mountain View and then come 0:19:00.965 --> 0:19:03.605 all the way back around because they're like, well, that's 0:19:03.645 --> 0:19:06.125 an obvious place. Honestly, like you said, have more, that's 0:19:06.165 --> 0:19:09.285 an obvious place to dump a body. The two towns 0:19:09.365 --> 0:19:13.005 Laren is referring to are Melbourne and Mountain View. What 0:19:13.005 --> 0:19:15.405 he is explaining is in order to dump the body, 0:19:15.525 --> 0:19:17.685 if the killer was from Mountain View, he or she 0:19:17.885 --> 0:19:20.525 was going out of their way. You never know. There's 0:19:20.565 --> 0:19:23.445 so many places out there that I can think of 0:19:23.525 --> 0:19:26.125 three or four different places that we partied on Highway nine, 0:19:26.325 --> 0:19:28.365 you know, just places that you wouldn't know unless you knew, 0:19:28.365 --> 0:19:29.925 you know, like old cabins off in the middle of 0:19:29.925 --> 0:19:32.885 nowhere then you know, but they so you think it 0:19:32.925 --> 0:19:36.485 wasn't a good spot to it. No, But I mean 0:19:36.485 --> 0:19:38.805 I'm from that area, said that's always like probing every 0:19:38.805 --> 0:19:40.645 gonna kill somebody. I've got them in the sharp mind 0:19:40.725 --> 0:19:42.925 of God. You know, I'm just saying, like there's there's more, 0:19:43.285 --> 0:19:47.365 says the River. Yeah they but that just I just 0:19:47.405 --> 0:19:50.485 I don't know. I find that weird that because I've 0:19:50.485 --> 0:19:53.125 always felt and had the belief that it was somebody 0:19:53.125 --> 0:19:55.885 from Mountainew, somebody from that old click. But yeah, but 0:19:55.965 --> 0:19:58.285 why I go back through Melbourne? You know? I mean, 0:19:58.405 --> 0:20:00.005 was you trying to get to that spot? I mean, 0:20:00.005 --> 0:20:02.085 if so, that's probably the quickest way. But if you're 0:20:02.125 --> 0:20:05.445 from Mountainew, everybody goes back to Mountain View through God, 0:20:05.805 --> 0:20:08.565 if you're on the Gune Road, yeah, it's quicker, it's 0:20:08.565 --> 0:20:10.285 more secluded. You know. I've just always looked at that 0:20:10.325 --> 0:20:12.365 and thought there might be something there, Like why go 0:20:12.405 --> 0:20:16.485 through Melbourne? Did they or you or anybody ever? Like 0:20:16.765 --> 0:20:20.805 party at Casey's house? No, actually see his dad I 0:20:20.845 --> 0:20:24.285 think was driving a truck or something. Yeah, Like I 0:20:24.605 --> 0:20:26.845 really didn't even know where he lived for like the 0:20:26.925 --> 0:20:29.445 longest time. So because he just didn't live, there was 0:20:29.445 --> 0:20:31.725