1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:16,965 Speaker 1: School of Humans. We're ever going to get the right person. 2 00:00:17,205 --> 00:00:19,565 Speaker 1: Knowing where everyone was is getting to be really important, 3 00:00:19,605 --> 00:00:22,605 Speaker 1: That's what I would say. So we have several issues 4 00:00:22,645 --> 00:00:25,805 Speaker 1: we need to clear up with Casey's timeline. Exactly when 5 00:00:25,805 --> 00:00:28,805 Speaker 1: did he leave work on Monday, how did he get home, 6 00:00:29,245 --> 00:00:32,165 Speaker 1: and did he go home on Tuesday to change before work, 7 00:00:32,525 --> 00:00:35,085 Speaker 1: and if he did, how did he miss the mess 8 00:00:35,085 --> 00:00:37,285 Speaker 1: of the crime scene. If we're going to get to 9 00:00:37,285 --> 00:00:39,925 Speaker 1: the bottom of this, we need to find some of 10 00:00:39,965 --> 00:00:42,725 Speaker 1: the people who were working at Sonic on the Monday 11 00:00:42,765 --> 00:00:46,125 Speaker 1: Rebecca disappeared. Taylor has been texting one of our local 12 00:00:46,125 --> 00:00:48,885 Speaker 1: contacts who was working at the Sonic around the time 13 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:52,085 Speaker 1: Rebecca was killed. They mentioned a story we have also 14 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:55,965 Speaker 1: heard from multiple people that Casey had gone home between 15 00:00:56,085 --> 00:00:59,325 Speaker 1: leaving work on Monday and returning to work on Tuesday. 16 00:01:00,285 --> 00:01:02,805 Speaker 1: This person claims to be in communication with a couple 17 00:01:02,885 --> 00:01:05,445 Speaker 1: of other people who allegedly spoke to Casey about this. 18 00:01:06,485 --> 00:01:09,365 Speaker 1: If we could find a way to absolutely verify this information, 19 00:01:09,805 --> 00:01:13,405 Speaker 1: it could be a game changer. His story was consistent 20 00:01:13,485 --> 00:01:15,485 Speaker 1: in the beginning that he did not go home right, 21 00:01:15,805 --> 00:01:18,005 Speaker 1: So if we can even if he did, even if 22 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:19,605 Speaker 1: we get him to admit, yeah, I went home to 23 00:01:19,645 --> 00:01:21,965 Speaker 1: change shirts, or we find someone who can absolutely verify 24 00:01:22,005 --> 00:01:24,365 Speaker 1: that he said that, that he mentioned going home to 25 00:01:24,445 --> 00:01:26,365 Speaker 1: change shirts, or that the timeline was a little weird. 26 00:01:26,605 --> 00:01:29,285 Speaker 1: That right there is enough to reopen the investigation because 27 00:01:29,725 --> 00:01:34,165 Speaker 1: he was, by Charlie's own words, suspect number one. Charlie 28 00:01:34,205 --> 00:01:36,725 Speaker 1: was the first officer on the scene. He was the 29 00:01:36,765 --> 00:01:39,645 Speaker 1: one who found the blood in Casey's house, and the 30 00:01:39,645 --> 00:01:42,085 Speaker 1: reason they ruled him out was because of his airtight alibi. 31 00:01:42,645 --> 00:01:45,165 Speaker 1: If we could quite poke a hole in that, then 32 00:01:45,285 --> 00:01:46,965 Speaker 1: they've got it. They got to take another look. They 33 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:48,765 Speaker 1: have to, like, I really just want to talk to 34 00:01:48,805 --> 00:01:51,045 Speaker 1: these people who were working at Sonic. I just want 35 00:01:51,085 --> 00:01:54,325 Speaker 1: to know how he got home, when he went home, 36 00:01:54,405 --> 00:02:03,725 Speaker 1: and if he actually did go home. In September of 37 00:02:03,725 --> 00:02:07,205 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, two year old Rebecca Gould was 38 00:02:07,245 --> 00:02:10,685 Speaker 1: brutally murdered in a remote area of the Arkansas Ozarks. 39 00:02:11,445 --> 00:02:16,005 Speaker 1: Fourteen years later, her killer is still out there. I've 40 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:19,165 Speaker 1: come back to Mountain View with one mission to get 41 00:02:19,325 --> 00:02:32,445 Speaker 1: justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. 42 00:02:32,565 --> 00:02:36,045 Speaker 1: We're over two months into our investigation and Taylor and 43 00:02:36,085 --> 00:02:38,285 Speaker 1: I stepped back to look at the whole murder board. 44 00:02:38,365 --> 00:02:43,565 Speaker 1: So far, so many threads, so many dead ends, so 45 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:47,845 Speaker 1: many post it notes. As I trace the line spider 46 00:02:47,845 --> 00:02:52,605 Speaker 1: webbing from picture to picture, I see many of the rumors, accusations, 47 00:02:52,645 --> 00:02:55,365 Speaker 1: and same questions that the town won't let go of. 48 00:02:56,245 --> 00:02:59,285 Speaker 1: We've followed a lot of leads and investigated a lot 49 00:02:59,285 --> 00:03:01,885 Speaker 1: of the rumors that we've heard in town, and by 50 00:03:01,965 --> 00:03:05,005 Speaker 1: following the evidence, we've eliminated a lot of them as 51 00:03:05,085 --> 00:03:12,765 Speaker 1: likely sos JB, Chris, Jennifer, the group theory, hundreds of 52 00:03:12,765 --> 00:03:16,245 Speaker 1: other names we've heard, but we're having a harder time 53 00:03:16,285 --> 00:03:20,405 Speaker 1: with Casey. Ironically enough, the first and only person that 54 00:03:20,445 --> 00:03:23,285 Speaker 1: the police have cleared. Like I said in the beginning, 55 00:03:24,125 --> 00:03:27,765 Speaker 1: everyone in this case has at least two sides. Is 56 00:03:27,885 --> 00:03:31,205 Speaker 1: Casey the sweet, caring boyfriend who is head over heels 57 00:03:31,205 --> 00:03:34,765 Speaker 1: for Rebecca that his friends describe, or the care bear 58 00:03:34,885 --> 00:03:38,805 Speaker 1: psycho that Danielle talked about. I get a call from 59 00:03:38,845 --> 00:03:41,805 Speaker 1: someone who has been following the case and the podcast. 60 00:03:42,645 --> 00:03:45,485 Speaker 1: He dated Rebecca shortly before her murder and had an 61 00:03:45,485 --> 00:03:47,965 Speaker 1: interaction with Casey that he can't get out of his head. 62 00:03:48,565 --> 00:03:51,365 Speaker 1: An ex boyfriend could have an ax to grind, so 63 00:03:51,445 --> 00:03:53,965 Speaker 1: we have to check his story carefully, but a quick 64 00:03:54,005 --> 00:03:58,125 Speaker 1: call with Danielle, Rebecca's sister, confirmed that he did date 65 00:03:58,165 --> 00:04:01,925 Speaker 1: Rebecca and also confirmed a lot of the details. He mentions, well, 66 00:04:02,045 --> 00:04:06,205 Speaker 1: and at a club, it's no longer open and fathful, 67 00:04:06,845 --> 00:04:09,045 Speaker 1: and a girlfriend of mine introduced me and are together. 68 00:04:09,605 --> 00:04:11,845 Speaker 1: We dated for I guess it was like three or 69 00:04:11,845 --> 00:04:14,605 Speaker 1: four weeks. Probably it was like a month or two 70 00:04:14,685 --> 00:04:18,045 Speaker 1: before she got killed. I thank our first date was 71 00:04:18,285 --> 00:04:20,325 Speaker 1: pretty much like I went to we were going to 72 00:04:20,365 --> 00:04:23,085 Speaker 1: go lix store, have a few trains, and you know, 73 00:04:23,125 --> 00:04:24,925 Speaker 1: it was just hanging out and it was me and 74 00:04:25,005 --> 00:04:28,885 Speaker 1: her and her sister and her sister at their house. Well, 75 00:04:28,925 --> 00:04:31,325 Speaker 1: we left and we went to one liquor store and 76 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:32,885 Speaker 1: it was sposed, so we went to the other one 77 00:04:32,885 --> 00:04:35,085 Speaker 1: and it was both. So we ended up just drinking 78 00:04:35,125 --> 00:04:37,165 Speaker 1: what we had. I mean, because that's the others today. Back, 79 00:04:37,205 --> 00:04:40,365 Speaker 1: I was like my backgrounds and drank beer. Like most 80 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:43,565 Speaker 1: of the men in Rebecca's life, he was smitten, but 81 00:04:43,645 --> 00:04:46,325 Speaker 1: it didn't take him long to realize their relationship could 82 00:04:46,365 --> 00:04:49,365 Speaker 1: not go further because there was someone causing drama in 83 00:04:49,405 --> 00:04:54,485 Speaker 1: Rebecca's life, and that someone was Casey Casey was not 84 00:04:54,965 --> 00:04:57,645 Speaker 1: like he was just apparently she had like slipped him 85 00:04:57,685 --> 00:05:00,565 Speaker 1: one time and he just was like blisk and she 86 00:05:00,725 --> 00:05:03,565 Speaker 1: just wanted to be friends. Well he had like showed 87 00:05:03,685 --> 00:05:06,965 Speaker 1: up there just out of the blue, but he I 88 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:10,285 Speaker 1: ended up being like civil whipping and stuff. And at 89 00:05:10,285 --> 00:05:12,405 Speaker 1: the end of the night we were all getting ready 90 00:05:12,445 --> 00:05:16,325 Speaker 1: to like to go to bed and stuff, well he 91 00:05:16,445 --> 00:05:19,565 Speaker 1: was just standing like he would not leave, just not leave. 92 00:05:19,845 --> 00:05:22,565 Speaker 1: It was like very uncomfortable, and like they like went 93 00:05:22,605 --> 00:05:24,765 Speaker 1: outside and talked for a second. Like he was just 94 00:05:24,845 --> 00:05:29,365 Speaker 1: falling and crying and just like emotionally just straw over everything. 95 00:05:29,525 --> 00:05:31,125 Speaker 1: Like I was fixing on leave. I was just like, 96 00:05:31,325 --> 00:05:33,445 Speaker 1: screw this, I'm going back home. I ain't got time 97 00:05:33,445 --> 00:05:35,405 Speaker 1: to deal with this trauma. And I was like, your 98 00:05:35,405 --> 00:05:37,125 Speaker 1: boy out there is fixing the freak out and if 99 00:05:37,165 --> 00:05:38,845 Speaker 1: he comes in there starting anything, then on the handle. 100 00:05:38,925 --> 00:05:41,405 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I'll take care of it. If 101 00:05:41,405 --> 00:05:43,845 Speaker 1: he does, he'll be fine. I was like, here he is, 102 00:05:43,885 --> 00:05:46,125 Speaker 1: you know, acting the pool. I'm like, look, man, I'm 103 00:05:46,165 --> 00:05:47,685 Speaker 1: just gonna shut you down right now. Like if you 104 00:05:47,685 --> 00:05:49,525 Speaker 1: can want to go, we can go. Otherwise you need 105 00:05:49,525 --> 00:05:51,605 Speaker 1: to keep your mouth shut because you don't found me, Like, 106 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:53,645 Speaker 1: I mean, she was like all the time, he was 107 00:05:53,725 --> 00:05:56,965 Speaker 1: like constantly showing up where she was, wanting to know 108 00:05:56,965 --> 00:05:59,245 Speaker 1: where she was, Like I just wanted to know where 109 00:05:59,245 --> 00:06:02,645 Speaker 1: she was at twenty four seven, just controlling, and I 110 00:06:02,685 --> 00:06:05,285 Speaker 1: guess he had done that to a couple other people 111 00:06:05,525 --> 00:06:07,045 Speaker 1: and they didn't really want to like put up with 112 00:06:07,085 --> 00:06:08,565 Speaker 1: it or deal with it, so they just kind of 113 00:06:08,605 --> 00:06:10,765 Speaker 1: like backed off. But every time we was together, he 114 00:06:10,885 --> 00:06:13,485 Speaker 1: was constantly pulling her phone up, like messaging her like 115 00:06:13,485 --> 00:06:15,325 Speaker 1: where are you at, what are you doing? Who you with? 116 00:06:16,085 --> 00:06:19,445 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was just not very 117 00:06:19,525 --> 00:06:23,285 Speaker 1: overly possessive of her for them just being friends, which 118 00:06:23,325 --> 00:06:27,165 Speaker 1: I know she stayed with him on and off, but 119 00:06:27,285 --> 00:06:29,325 Speaker 1: she would say there because it was close to where 120 00:06:29,365 --> 00:06:30,885 Speaker 1: she worked and she didn't have to drive all the 121 00:06:30,885 --> 00:06:33,325 Speaker 1: way backs nowt but there, I mean, he was just emotional, 122 00:06:33,445 --> 00:06:35,405 Speaker 1: like just I mean he falled and cried like he 123 00:06:35,525 --> 00:06:38,765 Speaker 1: or three times, you know that, not like once whenever 124 00:06:39,205 --> 00:06:41,245 Speaker 1: he had got there and like found out that me 125 00:06:41,285 --> 00:06:43,645 Speaker 1: and her was actually going out, you know, somewhere and 126 00:06:43,685 --> 00:06:45,965 Speaker 1: doing something. And then at the end of the night, 127 00:06:46,085 --> 00:06:47,405 Speaker 1: like when they went out by it was just he 128 00:06:47,485 --> 00:06:49,845 Speaker 1: was just like falling in crime and just I mean 129 00:06:49,885 --> 00:06:51,205 Speaker 1: I just kind of let it go and I was 130 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:53,965 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, you know, it was nice meeting you 131 00:06:53,965 --> 00:06:55,725 Speaker 1: out talking with you. Things don't work out. A holler 132 00:06:55,765 --> 00:06:57,365 Speaker 1: at me, and I just kind of left at the back. 133 00:06:57,805 --> 00:07:00,005 Speaker 1: I was like a month or two later, you know, 134 00:07:00,045 --> 00:07:02,445 Speaker 1: everybody had work knew that I me and her were 135 00:07:02,645 --> 00:07:05,925 Speaker 1: somewhat dating. That was like, hey, you know her boyfriend 136 00:07:06,005 --> 00:07:08,965 Speaker 1: and like her boyfriend like she was with Casey. I 137 00:07:09,005 --> 00:07:11,605 Speaker 1: was like, that's our boyfriend. And she's like, well she's missing, 138 00:07:11,725 --> 00:07:14,925 Speaker 1: and I'm like what. Just his demeanor and everything, like 139 00:07:14,925 --> 00:07:19,885 Speaker 1: he's controlling. You can tell he's just really that sheid 140 00:07:19,885 --> 00:07:21,565 Speaker 1: when she looked up to the way her dad was 141 00:07:21,645 --> 00:07:23,605 Speaker 1: and like what he had and what he had accomplished, 142 00:07:23,685 --> 00:07:25,365 Speaker 1: and like, you know, she's like, I want to be 143 00:07:25,365 --> 00:07:27,365 Speaker 1: successful in my life. I want to do this, I 144 00:07:27,365 --> 00:07:28,965 Speaker 1: want to do that. Like she had so much schedules 145 00:07:29,045 --> 00:07:31,885 Speaker 1: and dreams and ambition. She was just stuck between that 146 00:07:32,005 --> 00:07:36,405 Speaker 1: babe of like growing up and you know, actually accomplishing 147 00:07:36,485 --> 00:07:39,165 Speaker 1: things and doing things that she wanted to do, and 148 00:07:39,165 --> 00:07:42,245 Speaker 1: then being stuck into you know, being young dom and 149 00:07:43,085 --> 00:07:46,605 Speaker 1: you know, having fun. As he talks about a relationship 150 00:07:46,645 --> 00:07:49,325 Speaker 1: with Rebecca, a picture of what she was going through 151 00:07:49,365 --> 00:07:52,845 Speaker 1: at the time of her murder begins to emerge. Rebecca 152 00:07:53,005 --> 00:07:56,605 Speaker 1: was trying to play down her relationship with Casey. She 153 00:07:56,765 --> 00:07:59,765 Speaker 1: thought of Casey as a friend with a crush. He 154 00:07:59,965 --> 00:08:03,525 Speaker 1: was her past, not her future. He's also like very 155 00:08:03,565 --> 00:08:07,445 Speaker 1: shy and timid, right, you know, like his personality, like 156 00:08:07,485 --> 00:08:10,045 Speaker 1: I mean he's going to be loud about something like 157 00:08:10,085 --> 00:08:13,005 Speaker 1: he was that night, and then once I shut him down, 158 00:08:13,725 --> 00:08:15,445 Speaker 1: he was just like, Okay, I don't want to cross 159 00:08:15,485 --> 00:08:18,485 Speaker 1: them lines because you know, I don't think he's in 160 00:08:18,565 --> 00:08:22,725 Speaker 1: enough fire or anything whve either. And I mean I 161 00:08:22,805 --> 00:08:24,965 Speaker 1: wasn't too worried about him because he was very you know, 162 00:08:25,045 --> 00:08:27,725 Speaker 1: shining timid. You know, I deal with the ex strama 163 00:08:27,805 --> 00:08:29,805 Speaker 1: before with you know, other people that I tell you, 164 00:08:29,845 --> 00:08:32,045 Speaker 1: and I just wasn't really wanted to deal with that. 165 00:08:33,085 --> 00:08:35,205 Speaker 1: I even think I went up to sing It one 166 00:08:35,285 --> 00:08:39,445 Speaker 1: time after we started dating to talk to him, and 167 00:08:39,485 --> 00:08:41,605 Speaker 1: he wouldn't come out and talk to me because the 168 00:08:41,645 --> 00:08:43,645 Speaker 1: guys from Mark would go up there and eat and stuff. 169 00:08:43,685 --> 00:08:45,885 Speaker 1: And I guess he had been up there running his 170 00:08:46,005 --> 00:08:48,205 Speaker 1: mouth about me, saying he's going to beat my at 171 00:08:48,325 --> 00:08:50,125 Speaker 1: and just done this and he was gonna have at 172 00:08:50,165 --> 00:08:51,845 Speaker 1: and one day after work, I just went up there 173 00:08:51,845 --> 00:08:53,485 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, you in, we got a problem. 174 00:08:53,805 --> 00:08:56,005 Speaker 1: He's like no, and he's just running right back inside. 175 00:08:56,445 --> 00:08:58,845 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to see something that I 176 00:08:58,845 --> 00:09:00,645 Speaker 1: can't believe it's just gotten. I mean, it just kind 177 00:09:00,685 --> 00:09:02,725 Speaker 1: of got very like you heard a lot about it 178 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,685 Speaker 1: when it first happened, like she was missing, everybody find her. 179 00:09:05,965 --> 00:09:09,325 Speaker 1: And then once they found her, it's like everything just 180 00:09:09,365 --> 00:09:12,885 Speaker 1: kind of went hush hush, like they didn't release no information. 181 00:09:12,965 --> 00:09:15,085 Speaker 1: They didn't. Really. The only thing that I remember them 182 00:09:15,165 --> 00:09:18,885 Speaker 1: releasing was that Casey had been clear. That's the only 183 00:09:18,965 --> 00:09:22,405 Speaker 1: thing that's absensive as he was, is she left like 184 00:09:22,525 --> 00:09:25,645 Speaker 1: he's supposed like they say he's supposedly she's supposedly left 185 00:09:25,645 --> 00:09:28,605 Speaker 1: and went to college and he didn't hear from her, 186 00:09:29,245 --> 00:09:31,965 Speaker 1: and he would be flipping out that night. He wouldn't 187 00:09:31,965 --> 00:09:34,485 Speaker 1: be out partying and drinking. I' tell you that right now, 188 00:09:34,805 --> 00:09:37,165 Speaker 1: just from his demeanor. He's not going to be out 189 00:09:37,165 --> 00:09:39,725 Speaker 1: partying drinking and be like, oh you know, I mean 190 00:09:39,725 --> 00:09:43,325 Speaker 1: because obviously he went home the next day, you know whatever. 191 00:09:43,845 --> 00:09:46,365 Speaker 1: I mean, it's me, it's just don't it don't make sense. 192 00:09:48,125 --> 00:09:50,685 Speaker 1: Wish you the best and just you know, I mean, 193 00:09:50,765 --> 00:09:53,925 Speaker 1: just be careful of the people that you're around up there. 194 00:09:54,125 --> 00:09:56,405 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a bunch. I mean, it's such 195 00:09:56,405 --> 00:10:02,965 Speaker 1: a small town. I really wish I could get Casey 196 00:10:03,045 --> 00:10:07,565 Speaker 1: to talk. We have two questions that need answering. One 197 00:10:08,245 --> 00:10:11,245 Speaker 1: did Casey go home at any point between the murder 198 00:10:11,285 --> 00:10:14,565 Speaker 1: and work the next day? And two, how did Casey 199 00:10:14,605 --> 00:10:17,445 Speaker 1: get to his friend's house after work? We need to 200 00:10:17,445 --> 00:10:19,845 Speaker 1: lock in what Casey was doing on the day Rebecca 201 00:10:19,965 --> 00:10:23,845 Speaker 1: was murdered, because we're hearing conflicting stories about his timeline 202 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:27,165 Speaker 1: and his relationship with Rebecca. But one of his co 203 00:10:27,365 --> 00:10:31,045 Speaker 1: workers must know something, so we focus on tracking down 204 00:10:31,165 --> 00:10:33,965 Speaker 1: one of Casey's friends who also worked at Sonic, the 205 00:10:34,045 --> 00:10:37,645 Speaker 1: same friend he was out all Monday night with Laren. 206 00:10:39,565 --> 00:10:42,165 Speaker 1: He was pretty easy to find because it's not like 207 00:10:42,245 --> 00:10:45,205 Speaker 1: Laren is a common name in the area. He suggests 208 00:10:45,205 --> 00:10:48,005 Speaker 1: meeting at a Starbucks and Little Rock near where he lives. 209 00:10:49,565 --> 00:10:51,925 Speaker 1: I didn't talked to him a couple of years. When 210 00:10:51,965 --> 00:10:54,165 Speaker 1: my mom's always like, I saw Casey at the Dollar Story, 211 00:10:54,205 --> 00:10:59,525 Speaker 1: and when I'm doing well, he's yeah, he's married now, Yeah, 212 00:10:59,725 --> 00:11:05,005 Speaker 1: Laren is huge, six foot nine. When he smiles, he 213 00:11:05,045 --> 00:11:06,525 Speaker 1: looks like the kind of guy I would want to 214 00:11:06,525 --> 00:11:10,005 Speaker 1: have a beer with. But he's also very physically intimidating. 215 00:11:10,605 --> 00:11:12,725 Speaker 1: And then once we started working together, me and Casey 216 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:18,285 Speaker 1: got real close. There's history there with basketball, and then 217 00:11:18,605 --> 00:11:21,165 Speaker 1: music was what me and Casey were, you know, we 218 00:11:21,685 --> 00:11:25,325 Speaker 1: really connected about right, he was what he was, but 219 00:11:25,485 --> 00:11:27,685 Speaker 1: he was a great musician, and I love music, and 220 00:11:27,805 --> 00:11:31,245 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't so inclined at the time. But 221 00:11:31,285 --> 00:11:33,085 Speaker 1: what we're Rebecca in Casey like was a couple of 222 00:11:34,845 --> 00:11:41,285 Speaker 1: I'm a very lovely dovey, I'm very just sickening, you know, 223 00:11:41,605 --> 00:11:45,325 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, like if you did yeah, yeah, 224 00:11:45,525 --> 00:11:51,605 Speaker 1: and gosh they and it was, like we said, we 225 00:11:51,605 --> 00:11:53,445 Speaker 1: were like be guarded because he seemed more in her 226 00:11:53,525 --> 00:11:56,525 Speaker 1: than she wasn't him just being honest, you know, But 227 00:11:56,725 --> 00:11:59,405 Speaker 1: she also seemed like she was just trying to start fresh, 228 00:11:59,525 --> 00:12:01,605 Speaker 1: like she was trying to get away from all that shit, 229 00:12:01,885 --> 00:12:04,565 Speaker 1: and she really was that they as a couple, they 230 00:12:04,565 --> 00:12:07,885 Speaker 1: were just doinggether. I mean, I can't even that's what 231 00:12:07,925 --> 00:12:10,205 Speaker 1: I sink. Trying thing yesterday too, Like my mind's been 232 00:12:10,285 --> 00:12:12,365 Speaker 1: racing for the last twenty four hours trying to remember 233 00:12:12,525 --> 00:12:17,045 Speaker 1: like little stuff, and you know, I can't. I couldn't 234 00:12:17,045 --> 00:12:19,765 Speaker 1: remember how long they've been together when that happened. I 235 00:12:19,805 --> 00:12:22,605 Speaker 1: can't remember. I can't remember when I was told that 236 00:12:22,685 --> 00:12:24,525 Speaker 1: she had been murdered, like where I was or what 237 00:12:24,565 --> 00:12:28,085 Speaker 1: we was doing. I remember the investigators and then I remember, 238 00:12:29,525 --> 00:12:33,205 Speaker 1: you know, of course, you know, us trying to you know, 239 00:12:33,325 --> 00:12:36,565 Speaker 1: minute by minute break down the day the day before. 240 00:12:37,125 --> 00:12:42,645 Speaker 1: What did the investigators asked, Bess, you know, like, what 241 00:12:42,645 --> 00:12:45,525 Speaker 1: what did you guys do? They were more interested and 242 00:12:45,565 --> 00:12:48,165 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure having all of us sit down and 243 00:12:48,285 --> 00:12:50,485 Speaker 1: went that night and telling them the story or make 244 00:12:50,525 --> 00:12:53,205 Speaker 1: sure it wasn't something that we were blowing smoke or whatever, 245 00:12:53,285 --> 00:12:54,725 Speaker 1: you know, because it took them a little while to 246 00:12:54,725 --> 00:12:57,245 Speaker 1: get the camera and the receipts and all that stuff. 247 00:12:58,325 --> 00:13:00,925 Speaker 1: They were more about the night, you know, wanting to 248 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:03,445 Speaker 1: know where case he was, did he ever leave at anytime? 249 00:13:03,685 --> 00:13:06,165 Speaker 1: You know, did stuff like that? You know, and you know, 250 00:13:06,205 --> 00:13:09,285 Speaker 1: obviously we all slept that night eventually, so I mean 251 00:13:09,405 --> 00:13:11,325 Speaker 1: that was another thing. It's that I like, is it 252 00:13:11,405 --> 00:13:13,285 Speaker 1: possible that I could have got up in the middle 253 00:13:13,285 --> 00:13:14,925 Speaker 1: of the night, left my house and then come back 254 00:13:15,005 --> 00:13:18,685 Speaker 1: in the amount of time that we were asleep, and 255 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:22,965 Speaker 1: I just don't think it was possible. All of us 256 00:13:23,005 --> 00:13:25,925 Speaker 1: had pretty loud vehicles, and at my place, we'd like 257 00:13:26,125 --> 00:13:28,245 Speaker 1: to be able to hear people coming and going. We 258 00:13:28,245 --> 00:13:31,805 Speaker 1: were always praying touch and that's another thing. They were like, 259 00:13:31,845 --> 00:13:34,525 Speaker 1: you do. They're like, look, we're like, just be transparent. 260 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:36,445 Speaker 1: We don't give a shit about weed. We're not trying 261 00:13:36,445 --> 00:13:38,725 Speaker 1: to bunch a bunch of teenagers mo weed, like you know, 262 00:13:38,765 --> 00:13:43,445 Speaker 1: obviously we're trying to you know. Yeah, we uh, we 263 00:13:43,485 --> 00:13:46,485 Speaker 1: all had a good time together. But it was God. 264 00:13:47,885 --> 00:13:49,845 Speaker 1: So I just one more time. That was so the 265 00:13:49,925 --> 00:13:52,325 Speaker 1: day of the day was not happened Monday, So you 266 00:13:52,325 --> 00:13:57,165 Speaker 1: guys left work that was on Monday. When we got home, 267 00:13:57,205 --> 00:13:58,645 Speaker 1: we would have watch wrestling Man, so we would have 268 00:13:58,645 --> 00:14:01,685 Speaker 1: probably been up a little later. See, wasn't with you guys? 269 00:14:01,765 --> 00:14:04,485 Speaker 1: Then you wrote with Philip, I think so, I think 270 00:14:04,765 --> 00:14:07,045 Speaker 1: because I don't think the car at the time. I know, 271 00:14:07,525 --> 00:14:11,485 Speaker 1: I know, for whatever reason, he was without vehicle. Where 272 00:14:11,565 --> 00:14:14,805 Speaker 1: was Casey's truck? And if Rebecca drove him to work, 273 00:14:15,405 --> 00:14:18,765 Speaker 1: how was he planning on getting home? I remember specifically 274 00:14:18,805 --> 00:14:20,565 Speaker 1: didn't have vehicle because when we got back home and 275 00:14:20,605 --> 00:14:22,405 Speaker 1: he started saying like, man, I can't get ahold of Rebeck. 276 00:14:22,405 --> 00:14:23,885 Speaker 1: I'm kind of worried about it. We were all like, dude, 277 00:14:23,925 --> 00:14:25,925 Speaker 1: let's just go to bed. She's fine, because we would 278 00:14:25,925 --> 00:14:28,245 Speaker 1: have had to taste, which we probably should have, or 279 00:14:28,245 --> 00:14:30,005 Speaker 1: maybe we would have walked in and got murdering on it. 280 00:14:31,285 --> 00:14:33,045 Speaker 1: Do you remember what time y'all went to bed that night? 281 00:14:34,845 --> 00:14:38,045 Speaker 1: It seemed like we watched a normal like seven o'clock movie, 282 00:14:39,845 --> 00:14:44,325 Speaker 1: came back when we probably did our things. We uh, 283 00:14:45,605 --> 00:14:48,565 Speaker 1: probably midnight one. I mean, it's a normal night. I'd 284 00:14:48,565 --> 00:14:50,325 Speaker 1: have to just guess on a normal night, because I 285 00:14:50,605 --> 00:14:54,405 Speaker 1: you know, I was he like, he seemed totally normal 286 00:14:54,445 --> 00:14:57,365 Speaker 1: that night or no, I don't think like because, like 287 00:14:57,405 --> 00:15:03,005 Speaker 1: I said, it seemed like, see, this is the part 288 00:15:03,005 --> 00:15:05,485 Speaker 1: where it's like I don't I'm just trying to remember 289 00:15:05,565 --> 00:15:06,965 Speaker 1: it that way or if that's the way it was. 290 00:15:07,005 --> 00:15:10,605 Speaker 1: But it seemed like there was like an understanding that 291 00:15:10,685 --> 00:15:15,845 Speaker 1: she was about to have a confrontation that was gonna 292 00:15:15,845 --> 00:15:19,565 Speaker 1: be something that she was that He was like, I 293 00:15:19,565 --> 00:15:23,045 Speaker 1: hope it goes well. Something like that kind of looming, Like, 294 00:15:23,205 --> 00:15:24,965 Speaker 1: you know, she had some things she had to take 295 00:15:25,005 --> 00:15:26,525 Speaker 1: care of, that's why she had the truck, and she 296 00:15:26,685 --> 00:15:30,085 Speaker 1: was gonna try to I don't know that, and I 297 00:15:30,125 --> 00:15:31,885 Speaker 1: don't want to say that, and then that be you know, 298 00:15:32,045 --> 00:15:34,245 Speaker 1: the off. But I feel like that's what I remember. 299 00:15:34,885 --> 00:15:37,685 Speaker 1: Laren doesn't remember a whole lot. And to be fair, 300 00:15:37,845 --> 00:15:41,725 Speaker 1: it has been fourteen years. In my experience as an investigator, 301 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:45,365 Speaker 1: people tend to remember specific detail around crucial events in 302 00:15:45,405 --> 00:15:49,525 Speaker 1: their lives. But Monday started out. It's just an average day. 303 00:15:49,925 --> 00:15:52,685 Speaker 1: There's no way I could say intelligently who worked No 304 00:15:52,845 --> 00:15:55,605 Speaker 1: fair enough, I mean, is there any way like if 305 00:15:55,605 --> 00:15:57,325 Speaker 1: one y'all wanted to take time off during the day, 306 00:15:57,325 --> 00:16:01,165 Speaker 1: you could have I mean all the time, like hey 307 00:16:01,205 --> 00:16:03,285 Speaker 1: I need to go run do something. I'm sure we 308 00:16:03,285 --> 00:16:04,645 Speaker 1: were all really close. So if it was like I 309 00:16:04,685 --> 00:16:07,125 Speaker 1: need to go do something, sure whatever. You know what 310 00:16:07,245 --> 00:16:13,845 Speaker 1: time did Casey finish? Usually at some point he went 311 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:17,085 Speaker 1: to just days, like he didn't want to work nights anymore. 312 00:16:17,165 --> 00:16:19,005 Speaker 1: But that was the nature of the store. Was like 313 00:16:19,045 --> 00:16:21,845 Speaker 1: you sometimes like your schedule could look like this Monday, 314 00:16:23,365 --> 00:16:25,205 Speaker 1: you could open at seven and get off at one 315 00:16:25,325 --> 00:16:28,045 Speaker 1: or two. You could come in Tuesday eleven to four. 316 00:16:28,245 --> 00:16:30,645 Speaker 1: You could go four to close on Wednesday, you could 317 00:16:30,685 --> 00:16:34,045 Speaker 1: come back in six to sixty ten on. It was 318 00:16:34,125 --> 00:16:37,365 Speaker 1: just always but Casey eventually got to where he just 319 00:16:37,365 --> 00:16:39,205 Speaker 1: just worked days, you know, and he was you know, 320 00:16:39,245 --> 00:16:41,605 Speaker 1: he was as far as Goods and Sonic go, and 321 00:16:42,085 --> 00:16:43,485 Speaker 1: he was one of them. He was one of the 322 00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:45,685 Speaker 1: best we had, you know, so we always had him 323 00:16:45,725 --> 00:16:48,245 Speaker 1: in the prime times. Once we left the store, I 324 00:16:48,485 --> 00:16:50,085 Speaker 1: know for a fact that he was never anywhere but 325 00:16:50,165 --> 00:16:53,325 Speaker 1: with us, right and the moments leading up to that, 326 00:16:53,605 --> 00:16:55,845 Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure she dropped him off, but if she, 327 00:16:57,045 --> 00:16:58,725 Speaker 1: if he worked that morning, she would have dropped him 328 00:16:58,725 --> 00:17:01,405 Speaker 1: off that morning, yes, with his truck, and then he 329 00:17:01,445 --> 00:17:04,565 Speaker 1: would have worked, and then he would have waited for 330 00:17:04,605 --> 00:17:06,405 Speaker 1: one of us to go off work to roll out 331 00:17:06,445 --> 00:17:08,365 Speaker 1: to my place, and then we would have went out. 332 00:17:08,365 --> 00:17:12,045 Speaker 1: But I can't remember how he got to our house. 333 00:17:12,085 --> 00:17:14,005 Speaker 1: And also I don't remember why we went back to 334 00:17:14,085 --> 00:17:15,605 Speaker 1: my house, because we could have just left and went 335 00:17:15,645 --> 00:17:17,405 Speaker 1: to walk, had hit to baseball. But it may have 336 00:17:17,485 --> 00:17:20,925 Speaker 1: been a change small tunes. But I do know that 337 00:17:21,005 --> 00:17:23,085 Speaker 1: for a fact we was wound up back at my place, 338 00:17:23,245 --> 00:17:26,085 Speaker 1: then back to Batesville, and then back to my place, 339 00:17:26,405 --> 00:17:28,405 Speaker 1: and he was with us, you know, the whole time. 340 00:17:30,285 --> 00:17:32,805 Speaker 1: And then we slept and he got up the next 341 00:17:32,845 --> 00:17:36,485 Speaker 1: morning and left. But uh, I don't want to say, Philip, 342 00:17:36,925 --> 00:17:39,445 Speaker 1: I don't think I worked that morning. The next morning. 343 00:17:40,725 --> 00:17:44,965 Speaker 1: For some reason, I seem to recall like watching him 344 00:17:45,005 --> 00:17:49,245 Speaker 1: and leave. You know, I was excited when you called 345 00:17:49,245 --> 00:17:51,285 Speaker 1: because I want to get, you know, closer to this. 346 00:17:51,445 --> 00:17:53,645 Speaker 1: But that's how it's gonna happen, is now going back 347 00:17:53,685 --> 00:17:56,285 Speaker 1: piece of things together, things that you didn't think were important, 348 00:17:56,285 --> 00:17:58,245 Speaker 1: because when it happens, you know, you can't focus on 349 00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:01,405 Speaker 1: I don't know, I watched too many shows. You've seen 350 00:18:01,445 --> 00:18:05,125 Speaker 1: me a few people. It's a tough one. Yeah. And 351 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:10,525 Speaker 1: then when you allow yourself to be objective, like you know, moving, 352 00:18:10,605 --> 00:18:13,645 Speaker 1: you know, going forward to remove myself from you know, 353 00:18:13,685 --> 00:18:15,605 Speaker 1: Casey being one of my best friends ever, you start 354 00:18:15,645 --> 00:18:18,325 Speaker 1: to think like wow, you know, and I mean that's 355 00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:20,245 Speaker 1: it too. Is you got to know where that is 356 00:18:20,285 --> 00:18:21,965 Speaker 1: to get to it. Have you ever been there? Yeah, 357 00:18:22,005 --> 00:18:24,045 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. I mean, just driven Bob, and 358 00:18:24,125 --> 00:18:26,245 Speaker 1: it's that was another thing that got me and I 359 00:18:26,285 --> 00:18:29,405 Speaker 1: know we're chasing rabbits. I've got I've got all the 360 00:18:29,405 --> 00:18:31,245 Speaker 1: time in the world. See. That was another thing was 361 00:18:31,805 --> 00:18:33,525 Speaker 1: if you look at like if you know that area 362 00:18:33,645 --> 00:18:41,085 Speaker 1: well enough, if you're if you're from Mountain View, why 363 00:18:41,285 --> 00:18:44,085 Speaker 1: I go back through Melbourne to where they found your body? 364 00:18:45,045 --> 00:18:48,605 Speaker 1: You know, Like I mean maybe like if they see 365 00:18:48,645 --> 00:18:50,325 Speaker 1: me going through Mountaine they're gonna fuck with me because 366 00:18:50,325 --> 00:18:53,165 Speaker 1: they always do. You know, maybe I'd rather go through 367 00:18:53,205 --> 00:18:58,805 Speaker 1: Melbourne or you know, or is it because you know, 368 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:00,925 Speaker 1: like did they go through Mountain View and then come 369 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:03,605 Speaker 1: all the way back around because they're like, well, that's 370 00:19:03,645 --> 00:19:06,125 Speaker 1: an obvious place. Honestly, like you said, have more, that's 371 00:19:06,165 --> 00:19:09,285 Speaker 1: an obvious place to dump a body. The two towns 372 00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:13,005 Speaker 1: Laren is referring to are Melbourne and Mountain View. What 373 00:19:13,005 --> 00:19:15,405 Speaker 1: he is explaining is in order to dump the body, 374 00:19:15,525 --> 00:19:17,685 Speaker 1: if the killer was from Mountain View, he or she 375 00:19:17,885 --> 00:19:20,525 Speaker 1: was going out of their way. You never know. There's 376 00:19:20,565 --> 00:19:23,445 Speaker 1: so many places out there that I can think of 377 00:19:23,525 --> 00:19:26,125 Speaker 1: three or four different places that we partied on Highway nine, 378 00:19:26,325 --> 00:19:28,365 Speaker 1: you know, just places that you wouldn't know unless you knew, 379 00:19:28,365 --> 00:19:29,925 Speaker 1: you know, like old cabins off in the middle of 380 00:19:29,925 --> 00:19:32,885 Speaker 1: nowhere then you know, but they so you think it 381 00:19:32,925 --> 00:19:36,485 Speaker 1: wasn't a good spot to it. No, But I mean 382 00:19:36,485 --> 00:19:38,805 Speaker 1: I'm from that area, said that's always like probing every 383 00:19:38,805 --> 00:19:40,645 Speaker 1: gonna kill somebody. I've got them in the sharp mind 384 00:19:40,725 --> 00:19:42,925 Speaker 1: of God. You know, I'm just saying, like there's there's more, 385 00:19:43,285 --> 00:19:47,365 Speaker 1: says the River. Yeah they but that just I just 386 00:19:47,405 --> 00:19:50,485 Speaker 1: I don't know. I find that weird that because I've 387 00:19:50,485 --> 00:19:53,125 Speaker 1: always felt and had the belief that it was somebody 388 00:19:53,125 --> 00:19:55,885 Speaker 1: from Mountainew, somebody from that old click. But yeah, but 389 00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:58,285 Speaker 1: why I go back through Melbourne? You know? I mean, 390 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:00,005 Speaker 1: was you trying to get to that spot? I mean, 391 00:20:00,005 --> 00:20:02,085 Speaker 1: if so, that's probably the quickest way. But if you're 392 00:20:02,125 --> 00:20:05,445 Speaker 1: from Mountainew, everybody goes back to Mountain View through God, 393 00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:08,565 Speaker 1: if you're on the Gune Road, yeah, it's quicker, it's 394 00:20:08,565 --> 00:20:10,285 Speaker 1: more secluded. You know. I've just always looked at that 395 00:20:10,325 --> 00:20:12,365 Speaker 1: and thought there might be something there, Like why go 396 00:20:12,405 --> 00:20:16,485 Speaker 1: through Melbourne? Did they or you or anybody ever? Like 397 00:20:16,765 --> 00:20:20,805 Speaker 1: party at Casey's house? No, actually see his dad I 398 00:20:20,845 --> 00:20:24,285 Speaker 1: think was driving a truck or something. Yeah, Like I 399 00:20:24,605 --> 00:20:26,845 Speaker 1: really didn't even know where he lived for like the 400 00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:29,445 Speaker 1: longest time. So because he just didn't live, there was 401 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:31,725 Speaker 1: his dad's place, you know, so he would stay with 402 00:20:32,045 --> 00:20:36,245 Speaker 1: Patrick or you know whoever. You know, And even to 403 00:20:36,285 --> 00:20:38,245 Speaker 1: this day, I think I've been in that place one time, 404 00:20:38,685 --> 00:20:40,325 Speaker 1: and it was the time that I met his dad, 405 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:42,165 Speaker 1: and I want to say that was before all that. 406 00:20:42,685 --> 00:20:45,045 Speaker 1: Laren claims to have been one of Casey's best friends 407 00:20:45,045 --> 00:20:47,845 Speaker 1: at the time and he didn't even know exactly where 408 00:20:47,885 --> 00:20:50,205 Speaker 1: Casey lived at the same time. Like I said, it 409 00:20:50,245 --> 00:20:51,765 Speaker 1: was kind of a rare thing for us to get 410 00:20:51,805 --> 00:20:54,765 Speaker 1: him away, like like because he was so involved, you know. 411 00:20:54,845 --> 00:20:57,405 Speaker 1: So I remember thinking like, all right, Casey's going out, 412 00:20:57,565 --> 00:21:01,765 Speaker 1: you know, you know, now your own party. Since it was, 413 00:21:01,805 --> 00:21:04,245 Speaker 1: you know, such a rare thing. Was it planned to 414 00:21:04,245 --> 00:21:05,885 Speaker 1: be that way? You know, it's pretty shit think about 415 00:21:05,885 --> 00:21:08,525 Speaker 1: it when start watching these shows, you know, yeah, so yeah, 416 00:21:08,525 --> 00:21:10,005 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear he went through me, and that's pretty 417 00:21:10,005 --> 00:21:11,885 Speaker 1: It's just the mystery is, like, who in the world 418 00:21:11,925 --> 00:21:14,485 Speaker 1: would do that at someone else's house and then clean up? 419 00:21:15,245 --> 00:21:17,845 Speaker 1: That's the really weird That's that's one of the weirdest 420 00:21:17,845 --> 00:21:20,965 Speaker 1: things about it. Case they cleaned up, so I was 421 00:21:21,005 --> 00:21:22,765 Speaker 1: left the miss and that's how they found out. Like 422 00:21:23,525 --> 00:21:26,285 Speaker 1: if I'm telling this story to somebody, a friend of mine, now, 423 00:21:26,565 --> 00:21:33,365 Speaker 1: I say she was murdered and they had a piano 424 00:21:33,445 --> 00:21:35,645 Speaker 1: leg miss and I said that what we heard was 425 00:21:35,685 --> 00:21:37,285 Speaker 1: that she was for the longest time is that she 426 00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:39,685 Speaker 1: was beat to death so bad that there was enough 427 00:21:39,685 --> 00:21:42,365 Speaker 1: blood that went through the mattresses, through the floorboards into 428 00:21:42,445 --> 00:21:44,685 Speaker 1: the underpinning of the trailer, and that there was a 429 00:21:44,685 --> 00:21:46,805 Speaker 1: piano leg missing and you could tell where somebody had 430 00:21:46,885 --> 00:21:50,445 Speaker 1: drug a body out the door. And then later we 431 00:21:50,445 --> 00:21:52,285 Speaker 1: heard that it was a gunshot that killed her out 432 00:21:52,605 --> 00:21:55,445 Speaker 1: Oddly enough, this is actually the first I'm hearing of 433 00:21:55,445 --> 00:21:58,525 Speaker 1: a gunshot. So like that's I was like, I don't know, 434 00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:02,965 Speaker 1: that's what I tell my friends. I don't really know how, 435 00:22:03,525 --> 00:22:05,205 Speaker 1: you know, how it all went down, but I said 436 00:22:05,765 --> 00:22:08,085 Speaker 1: it was brutal whatever happened, you know. I mean, did 437 00:22:08,085 --> 00:22:09,325 Speaker 1: case you ever talk to you about who you thought 438 00:22:09,405 --> 00:22:15,285 Speaker 1: did it? I'm sure, like I'm trying to think, like, 439 00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:19,805 Speaker 1: at some point it becomes something that we just didn't 440 00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:23,805 Speaker 1: bring up because it was like it and it's not 441 00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:26,525 Speaker 1: to be mean, but at some point it was like 442 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:28,685 Speaker 1: and you don't want to say, like, ghet over, but 443 00:22:28,765 --> 00:22:30,965 Speaker 1: at some point, you know, you just get to be like, 444 00:22:31,005 --> 00:22:32,605 Speaker 1: look and why bring it up if it's just going 445 00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:36,165 Speaker 1: to be this thing, you know, this thing you know, 446 00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:38,445 Speaker 1: And so it became this thing that nobody talked about, 447 00:22:38,525 --> 00:22:40,605 Speaker 1: you know, because we just wanted Casey to feel you know, 448 00:22:40,685 --> 00:22:42,805 Speaker 1: to feel better, like you know, we want him so 449 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:45,285 Speaker 1: bad for him to that's like why why Whenever you 450 00:22:45,325 --> 00:22:48,485 Speaker 1: know he meant, we were like thank god, yeah, you know. 451 00:22:49,165 --> 00:22:54,005 Speaker 1: But then now I'm glad he's with you. Yeah, that's good, 452 00:22:54,165 --> 00:22:57,085 Speaker 1: that's great, it's great. It's just crazy how you can 453 00:22:57,405 --> 00:23:00,525 Speaker 1: feel so passionately, but when someone's taken from me, it's different. 454 00:23:00,525 --> 00:23:03,085 Speaker 1: But you can feel so passionately about somebody and then 455 00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:06,245 Speaker 1: it just wind up not doing right. You know. Listen, 456 00:23:06,285 --> 00:23:11,245 Speaker 1: thank you, no, no, please you. If you think of something, 457 00:23:11,245 --> 00:23:12,565 Speaker 1: I want to run it by me and make me 458 00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:20,685 Speaker 1: think it's more helpy. I find it odd the various 459 00:23:20,725 --> 00:23:24,485 Speaker 1: ways Rebecca in Casey's relationship has been portrayed. I hear 460 00:23:24,525 --> 00:23:27,005 Speaker 1: from her sister that she wanted to break up. I 461 00:23:27,045 --> 00:23:29,885 Speaker 1: hear from his close friends they were inseparable. And I 462 00:23:29,885 --> 00:23:32,565 Speaker 1: hear from a relatively neutral party that he was obsessed 463 00:23:33,165 --> 00:23:39,125 Speaker 1: and couldn't leave her alone. You're listening to Helen Gone, 464 00:23:39,725 --> 00:23:47,445 Speaker 1: We'll be right back talking with Laren. I find he's 465 00:23:47,485 --> 00:23:51,245 Speaker 1: frustrated with how significantly the fourteen years has fogged his memory. 466 00:23:51,885 --> 00:23:55,965 Speaker 1: But we keep talking shockingly, Laren tells me that he 467 00:23:56,085 --> 00:23:58,965 Speaker 1: was never brought back in for questioning after Rebecca's body 468 00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:02,965 Speaker 1: was found. It's also incredibly frustrating that in a case 469 00:24:02,965 --> 00:24:06,845 Speaker 1: where everything hinges on an alibi, so many details of 470 00:24:06,885 --> 00:24:11,085 Speaker 1: the timeline were vague. Since this interview, we've received the 471 00:24:11,085 --> 00:24:14,205 Speaker 1: official police statements from some of Casey's friends who were 472 00:24:14,245 --> 00:24:16,805 Speaker 1: with him on the day Rebecca was murdered, and since 473 00:24:16,885 --> 00:24:19,525 Speaker 1: Laren was one of them, his statement helps us clear 474 00:24:19,605 --> 00:24:22,685 Speaker 1: up some questions we have about the timeline. Casey's truck 475 00:24:22,885 --> 00:24:25,725 Speaker 1: was parked in Batesville and they all drove Casey to 476 00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:28,765 Speaker 1: pick it up, so we can reasonably believe that Casey 477 00:24:28,845 --> 00:24:32,085 Speaker 1: had his truck on Monday night and into Tuesday morning. 478 00:24:32,485 --> 00:24:35,685 Speaker 1: Laren also says that they left Sonic at around four pm. 479 00:24:36,165 --> 00:24:39,485 Speaker 1: We know that Rebecca dropped Casey off that morning, and 480 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:42,365 Speaker 1: we had always heard that Casey told police she was 481 00:24:42,405 --> 00:24:45,605 Speaker 1: planning on going back to school. That's why he went 482 00:24:45,605 --> 00:24:48,485 Speaker 1: out with his friends that night and stayed out all night. 483 00:24:49,445 --> 00:24:52,085 Speaker 1: But if that's the case, why was he telling his 484 00:24:52,165 --> 00:24:54,645 Speaker 1: friends that Rebecca was supposed to pick him up and 485 00:24:54,725 --> 00:24:58,485 Speaker 1: never showed. I also can't get the last sentence of 486 00:24:58,565 --> 00:25:02,445 Speaker 1: Laren's statement, out of my head, it said, when we 487 00:25:02,525 --> 00:25:06,765 Speaker 1: returned from Batesville, Casey used my phone. After he hung up, 488 00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:10,645 Speaker 1: he stated that Rebecca was missing. That's when it really 489 00:25:10,685 --> 00:25:13,525 Speaker 1: seemed odd that he didn't head straight out the door 490 00:25:13,525 --> 00:25:16,925 Speaker 1: to find her. Taylor and I have both been working 491 00:25:17,045 --> 00:25:20,205 Speaker 1: day and night to try to contact every single person 492 00:25:20,245 --> 00:25:23,165 Speaker 1: who may have been at Sonic that day. Okay, So 493 00:25:23,525 --> 00:25:27,445 Speaker 1: I just talked to Bruce and he confirmed that he 494 00:25:27,645 --> 00:25:31,925 Speaker 1: was working at Sonic that day and Casey was a cook. 495 00:25:32,325 --> 00:25:35,045 Speaker 1: And he said the cooks went on their shift between 496 00:25:35,085 --> 00:25:38,925 Speaker 1: eight and nine am, and he remembered Rebecca dropping Casey 497 00:25:38,965 --> 00:25:41,285 Speaker 1: off at work because he knew her. He said, he 498 00:25:41,405 --> 00:25:43,525 Speaker 1: the last thing that happened, he dropped, she dropped, pulled in, 499 00:25:43,805 --> 00:25:46,605 Speaker 1: Casey gets out, she drops him off. He said. She 500 00:25:46,685 --> 00:25:48,565 Speaker 1: waved at him, and that's the last time I ever 501 00:25:48,565 --> 00:25:51,965 Speaker 1: saw her. She drove off. And he said that Casey's 502 00:25:52,005 --> 00:25:55,365 Speaker 1: shift would have ended at about one between one and two, 503 00:25:55,445 --> 00:25:57,925 Speaker 1: but that means he could have left as early as one. 504 00:25:58,285 --> 00:26:01,445 Speaker 1: Casey was on the early shift that Monday, which meant 505 00:26:01,485 --> 00:26:04,125 Speaker 1: that his shift would have ended between one and two pm. 506 00:26:04,645 --> 00:26:07,445 Speaker 1: But Larrence said that the group didn't leave Sonic until 507 00:26:07,525 --> 00:26:11,325 Speaker 1: later at around four. Now, Bruce did say, you know, 508 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:16,125 Speaker 1: the cops came around, and he said, if he left, 509 00:26:16,165 --> 00:26:18,885 Speaker 1: you would have had to clock out because you know 510 00:26:18,925 --> 00:26:20,845 Speaker 1: where you clock in and out's right next to my desk. 511 00:26:20,925 --> 00:26:22,325 Speaker 1: But then he went on to say, when I was 512 00:26:22,325 --> 00:26:25,165 Speaker 1: asking how Casey got a ride home because he said Rebecca, 513 00:26:25,165 --> 00:26:27,925 Speaker 1: he confirmed Rebecca dropped him off that day, and he's like, well, 514 00:26:27,965 --> 00:26:30,645 Speaker 1: you know that town, everybody's friends, everybody gives everybody lifts. 515 00:26:30,685 --> 00:26:33,285 Speaker 1: Like so if it's that easy to get in and 516 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:37,445 Speaker 1: out and you know, drive around, then yeah, I mean, 517 00:26:37,485 --> 00:26:38,685 Speaker 1: it would have been so easy for him to get 518 00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:41,125 Speaker 1: a lift from anybody. I asked him the important questions 519 00:26:41,125 --> 00:26:45,205 Speaker 1: about Casey. He didn't volunteer a huge amount. He did 520 00:26:45,285 --> 00:26:47,205 Speaker 1: answer them. He didn't volunteer a huge amount. I know, 521 00:26:47,245 --> 00:26:51,005 Speaker 1: they're really good friends, he said that. I mean, I'm 522 00:26:51,045 --> 00:26:52,845 Speaker 1: sure now, I'm sure this is going to get back 523 00:26:52,885 --> 00:26:55,725 Speaker 1: to Casey. He will now he'll know that we're asking 524 00:26:55,765 --> 00:26:58,725 Speaker 1: when he clocked in when he clocked out. According to police, 525 00:26:59,125 --> 00:27:02,765 Speaker 1: Casey's alibi was air tight, but our investigation has poked 526 00:27:02,765 --> 00:27:06,605 Speaker 1: some holes in that alibi. First, the timelines and the 527 00:27:06,645 --> 00:27:10,325 Speaker 1: statements that Casey's friends gave to police were vague, so 528 00:27:10,485 --> 00:27:14,405 Speaker 1: there could have potentially been missing time in the afternoon. Secondly, 529 00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:17,125 Speaker 1: Bruce told me that he would have seen Casey if 530 00:27:17,165 --> 00:27:21,165 Speaker 1: he clocked out, but Laren, Teresa, and other Sonic employees 531 00:27:21,165 --> 00:27:23,685 Speaker 1: have all told me that Bruce went in and out 532 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:27,845 Speaker 1: all the time. Finally, Casey lived just a few miles 533 00:27:27,845 --> 00:27:30,445 Speaker 1: away from Sonic, just a ten minute ride down the 534 00:27:30,485 --> 00:27:33,165 Speaker 1: dirt road cutthrow we took, and Laren said that it 535 00:27:33,205 --> 00:27:36,405 Speaker 1: was not uncommon for the employees to unofficially clock out 536 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:39,405 Speaker 1: to run errands. This means that there could potentially have 537 00:27:39,405 --> 00:27:42,885 Speaker 1: been time unaccounted for in the morning. Well, I'm still 538 00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:45,925 Speaker 1: kind of confused as to why she had to have 539 00:27:45,965 --> 00:27:49,765 Speaker 1: been murdered around like ten am. Time of death. I'm 540 00:27:49,765 --> 00:27:51,685 Speaker 1: not a pathologist, but just from like reading a lot 541 00:27:51,725 --> 00:27:54,045 Speaker 1: of autopsies and the pathologists I talked to, I know 542 00:27:54,325 --> 00:27:56,965 Speaker 1: time of death is very difficult to determine, even under 543 00:27:57,005 --> 00:27:59,885 Speaker 1: the best circumstances when the body's found right away, and 544 00:27:59,925 --> 00:28:02,645 Speaker 1: it's partly based on when the person was seen lest anyway, 545 00:28:03,045 --> 00:28:07,365 Speaker 1: according to the auto occurring to the physical evidence, I 546 00:28:07,445 --> 00:28:11,285 Speaker 1: just cannot believe he would have literally had to be. 547 00:28:11,405 --> 00:28:13,285 Speaker 1: In order for him to be ruled out in this killing, 548 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,325 Speaker 1: he would have had to have every single moment of 549 00:28:15,325 --> 00:28:19,925 Speaker 1: his day documented on camera from Monday morning and through 550 00:28:20,005 --> 00:28:23,885 Speaker 1: to the next day. We've now talked to Teresa, a 551 00:28:23,925 --> 00:28:26,285 Speaker 1: car hop who not only was a friend of Rebecca's, 552 00:28:26,765 --> 00:28:30,605 Speaker 1: she knew Jennifer and Casey. We've talked to Bruce, the 553 00:28:30,685 --> 00:28:34,925 Speaker 1: manager on duty that day, and Philip Laren's roommate. We're 554 00:28:34,965 --> 00:28:38,045 Speaker 1: starting to get their individual stories and piece together the 555 00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:41,565 Speaker 1: details from that day. As we do, we hear something 556 00:28:41,605 --> 00:28:45,445 Speaker 1: we've never heard before. Someone mentions that they heard Casey 557 00:28:45,525 --> 00:28:48,045 Speaker 1: dropped his truck off at Sonic on Sunday evening and 558 00:28:48,165 --> 00:28:52,165 Speaker 1: drove home with Rebecca. This detail floors me. How the 559 00:28:52,205 --> 00:28:55,445 Speaker 1: hell did his car get to Batesville and how did 560 00:28:55,445 --> 00:28:59,685 Speaker 1: he get back? So, according to the official statements, Casey's 561 00:28:59,725 --> 00:29:02,125 Speaker 1: friends drove him to pick up his car in Batesville 562 00:29:02,125 --> 00:29:05,365 Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon. So if Casey's truck was at Sonic 563 00:29:05,605 --> 00:29:09,685 Speaker 1: Monday morning, how did it get to Batesville by that afternoon. 564 00:29:10,365 --> 00:29:13,725 Speaker 1: According to the police statements, Casey told his friends that 565 00:29:13,805 --> 00:29:16,725 Speaker 1: his father drove his truck to Batesville. But we had 566 00:29:16,765 --> 00:29:19,565 Speaker 1: always heard that his father, who was a trucker, was 567 00:29:19,565 --> 00:29:21,645 Speaker 1: on the road that day. The mystery of the truck 568 00:29:21,685 --> 00:29:23,765 Speaker 1: has like bothered all of us so much since the 569 00:29:23,765 --> 00:29:26,645 Speaker 1: beginning because at the end of the day, even the 570 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:29,565 Speaker 1: question about where it was for the next few days 571 00:29:30,445 --> 00:29:34,045 Speaker 1: has bothered me. Because Charlie said that Casey didn't have 572 00:29:34,085 --> 00:29:37,685 Speaker 1: his truck at Sonic the next day. The whole reason 573 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:40,365 Speaker 1: he was ruled out is because he was supposedly had 574 00:29:40,365 --> 00:29:44,845 Speaker 1: no transportation and was there all day. So the minute 575 00:29:44,885 --> 00:29:46,805 Speaker 1: you start saying, okay, he wasn't there all day, and 576 00:29:46,805 --> 00:29:50,725 Speaker 1: actually he did have transportation, and his transportation mysteriously, you know, 577 00:29:50,805 --> 00:29:54,205 Speaker 1: was in Batesville by that afternoon unless someone drove his truck. 578 00:29:54,725 --> 00:29:57,485 Speaker 1: This is a huge piece of the puzzle. According to 579 00:29:57,485 --> 00:30:00,845 Speaker 1: the police, Casey was the prime suspect at the beginning 580 00:30:00,845 --> 00:30:04,005 Speaker 1: of the case. He was only ruled out due to 581 00:30:04,045 --> 00:30:08,325 Speaker 1: his air tight alibi. That alibi hinged on two factors, 582 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,965 Speaker 1: that he was at work all day and that he 583 00:30:11,005 --> 00:30:15,405 Speaker 1: did not have transportation. If Casey had his truck at work, 584 00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:20,205 Speaker 1: that changes everything. The more we dig into Casey's timeline, 585 00:30:20,645 --> 00:30:27,845 Speaker 1: the more questions we have, and unfortunately Casey won't answer them. 586 00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:40,765 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I'm shopping in Walmart, one of 587 00:30:40,805 --> 00:30:43,565 Speaker 1: the few places in town with cell phone reception. When 588 00:30:43,605 --> 00:30:47,525 Speaker 1: I get a text message. It's a potential witness. I'm 589 00:30:47,565 --> 00:30:50,845 Speaker 1: looking at Turkey decoys and guns and people in camouflage 590 00:30:50,885 --> 00:30:53,845 Speaker 1: gearing up for hunting season, and my hands are shaking 591 00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:57,365 Speaker 1: as I read it. He says he knows Casey and 592 00:30:57,445 --> 00:31:00,325 Speaker 1: has something he needs to tell me. When I get 593 00:31:00,365 --> 00:31:04,445 Speaker 1: back to the car, I call him. Because he knows Casey, 594 00:31:04,765 --> 00:31:15,565 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be identified, so we've disguised his voice. Well, 595 00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:19,405 Speaker 1: oh hi, I just got your textess, Catherine. Yeah, no, 596 00:31:19,485 --> 00:31:21,405 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, our whole I mean, we 597 00:31:21,565 --> 00:31:23,485 Speaker 1: just want to find the person who did it. We're 598 00:31:23,485 --> 00:31:25,045 Speaker 1: not you know what I mean. We're not. We don't 599 00:31:25,045 --> 00:31:29,725 Speaker 1: care about anything else. This manam me and Casey and 600 00:31:29,885 --> 00:31:33,325 Speaker 1: a Ghani probably tell you the same story. And I 601 00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:38,885 Speaker 1: can be in prison right now. But and on like 602 00:31:39,485 --> 00:31:44,205 Speaker 1: four different occasions were good. I mean I know four 603 00:31:44,365 --> 00:31:50,325 Speaker 1: for sure. We were Casey were drinking too thanne and 604 00:31:50,565 --> 00:31:53,325 Speaker 1: just bopen I mean not, I mean, not ligerant drunk, 605 00:31:53,485 --> 00:32:01,365 Speaker 1: just crime blurderent. He he said that he killed her 606 00:32:02,165 --> 00:32:08,045 Speaker 1: and and y'all didn't find the weapon. Fact, Well, the 607 00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:11,725 Speaker 1: police haven't shared any information with me, but we've found 608 00:32:12,325 --> 00:32:14,885 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, we've gotten a lot of information. 609 00:32:16,285 --> 00:32:19,365 Speaker 1: Did he say where the weapon was? He said, he 610 00:32:19,445 --> 00:32:22,085 Speaker 1: proved in the river on the way to the Highway 611 00:32:22,165 --> 00:32:26,405 Speaker 1: nine from dying. And this happened like like I said, 612 00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:30,325 Speaker 1: four times I can remember. And then one day he 613 00:32:30,525 --> 00:32:34,885 Speaker 1: was just something that been wrong for three or four 614 00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:37,485 Speaker 1: day yere and he just put in hisself and when 615 00:32:37,525 --> 00:32:39,965 Speaker 1: he wasn't drunk this night and he said the same 616 00:32:40,045 --> 00:32:45,045 Speaker 1: thing he said that his story was. And I didn't 617 00:32:45,085 --> 00:32:47,805 Speaker 1: really think much about it until I heard. I didn't 618 00:32:47,805 --> 00:32:50,845 Speaker 1: know that she's gonna it was a blunt ob check, 619 00:32:51,005 --> 00:32:53,565 Speaker 1: like it was. I never knew any things. And she 620 00:32:54,485 --> 00:32:57,845 Speaker 1: he said that pretty much that she was telling him 621 00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,965 Speaker 1: that this would be the last time that he saw her, 622 00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:03,045 Speaker 1: or she'd be last last time to see him. Look go, 623 00:33:03,165 --> 00:33:06,645 Speaker 1: they were, I guess coming to him and I didn't 624 00:33:06,645 --> 00:33:10,085 Speaker 1: know he didn't know her personally, but they got into 625 00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:14,205 Speaker 1: it and she said some offensive thanks time. The way 626 00:33:14,245 --> 00:33:17,485 Speaker 1: he said it, he just lost it and he said, 627 00:33:17,605 --> 00:33:21,245 Speaker 1: next thing he knows, he's cleaning stuff up. And he 628 00:33:21,285 --> 00:33:25,565 Speaker 1: said they almost had him, but they couldn't because they 629 00:33:25,605 --> 00:33:28,445 Speaker 1: thought the timeline was different because he was supposedly at 630 00:33:28,445 --> 00:33:31,125 Speaker 1: work when that happened. But he said they had the 631 00:33:31,205 --> 00:33:35,565 Speaker 1: timeline mixed up on him. Did he say he went 632 00:33:35,605 --> 00:33:38,805 Speaker 1: home from worker? He didn't know, man, he did not 633 00:33:38,925 --> 00:33:41,445 Speaker 1: say that. I just didn't know if he was just 634 00:33:42,325 --> 00:33:47,205 Speaker 1: blowing smoke. But it bothered me for a long time. 635 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:49,685 Speaker 1: But here the last few weeks because I saw that 636 00:33:49,805 --> 00:33:52,605 Speaker 1: think something on Facebook, Thames who's killed her back and 637 00:33:53,605 --> 00:33:55,365 Speaker 1: you come on the radio and it just kind of 638 00:33:56,045 --> 00:34:00,405 Speaker 1: sitting back to him there. Well, listen, I mean, I 639 00:34:00,805 --> 00:34:03,165 Speaker 1: so appreciate you doing it, and I know, I mean, 640 00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:06,165 Speaker 1: I'm just been thinking about their in the mind. I'd 641 00:34:06,165 --> 00:34:09,805 Speaker 1: probably want, you know, closure, and I know that he's 642 00:34:09,845 --> 00:34:11,565 Speaker 1: your friend, and I know that it's got to be hard, 643 00:34:11,645 --> 00:34:14,765 Speaker 1: and I really really appreciate it. I mean, if we 644 00:34:14,805 --> 00:34:16,685 Speaker 1: do have to go to the police with us, would 645 00:34:16,685 --> 00:34:24,405 Speaker 1: you be willing to come with us? I've got a 646 00:34:24,445 --> 00:34:30,365 Speaker 1: bad history of the police here. I probably could in No, 647 00:34:30,805 --> 00:34:32,525 Speaker 1: I mean, my dad is a really good guy and 648 00:34:32,565 --> 00:34:35,085 Speaker 1: he's a deputy sheriff, and then there's the Arkansas stateful 649 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:37,165 Speaker 1: and you know, just so you don't have to go 650 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:40,165 Speaker 1: in in Melbourne, if they come down there and I 651 00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:42,965 Speaker 1: had to. I mean, the thing that really got me 652 00:34:43,245 --> 00:34:45,845 Speaker 1: was because I never knew. I didn't know how they 653 00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:49,805 Speaker 1: killed it. I had no clue. Sure. And then somebody 654 00:34:50,165 --> 00:34:52,165 Speaker 1: I was at my new job and they were talking 655 00:34:52,165 --> 00:34:53,885 Speaker 1: about and they said if the cop said it was 656 00:34:54,005 --> 00:34:56,885 Speaker 1: on an object, because I always thought case case, he 657 00:34:56,925 --> 00:35:00,125 Speaker 1: was just bullshiting me. Never I thought he's you know, 658 00:35:00,245 --> 00:35:04,445 Speaker 1: he's just just blowing smoke. And now when he said 659 00:35:04,485 --> 00:35:07,405 Speaker 1: he hit her with it's a wooden object. I know 660 00:35:07,445 --> 00:35:10,325 Speaker 1: that much. And it would or like a baseball bath, 661 00:35:10,965 --> 00:35:14,605 Speaker 1: not not a baseball bath, but you know, stay logistics. 662 00:35:15,165 --> 00:35:17,765 Speaker 1: He on his way, he stopped on the guying bridge 663 00:35:17,805 --> 00:35:23,645 Speaker 1: and threw it out. Wow, I don't know how you 664 00:35:23,885 --> 00:35:27,005 Speaker 1: prove it. I mean, I mean, I'm just saying. He 665 00:35:27,085 --> 00:35:30,565 Speaker 1: said that more than once to this and like I said, 666 00:35:30,605 --> 00:35:34,805 Speaker 1: it's bothered me for a while. Well now I'm gonna 667 00:35:34,805 --> 00:35:36,685 Speaker 1: have to go to the police with it, just because 668 00:35:38,405 --> 00:35:40,725 Speaker 1: I have to. I mean what I mean, I would 669 00:35:40,845 --> 00:35:43,685 Speaker 1: really love it if we could go together. So that's 670 00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:45,925 Speaker 1: why I mean I want to. I know he's your 671 00:35:45,925 --> 00:35:47,565 Speaker 1: friend and know it's hard, but like I want to 672 00:35:47,605 --> 00:35:51,805 Speaker 1: get you know, this person caught this man. All right, 673 00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:56,445 Speaker 1: well listen, thank you so much. As investigators, we can't 674 00:35:56,525 --> 00:36:00,005 Speaker 1: draw conclusions from a single witness. So this may not 675 00:36:00,085 --> 00:36:02,925 Speaker 1: be the evidence that's needed to finally close this case, 676 00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,045 Speaker 1: but it might be the evidence that blows it wide open. 677 00:36:09,365 --> 00:36:30,845 Speaker 1: I'm Katherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. Helen Gone 678 00:36:30,925 --> 00:36:33,845 Speaker 1: is a joint production between How Stuff Works and School 679 00:36:33,845 --> 00:36:37,845 Speaker 1: of Humans. 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