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Speaker 1: It's now officially open.

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Speaker 2: This is Draft Season, presented by A mood. He is

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Speaker 2: a proud sponsor of the New York Giants. I am

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Speaker 2: John Schmelk joined those always from Essentially Sports, Tony Pauline, Tony,

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Speaker 2: how are you man?

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Speaker 3: I'm okay, I'm okay. A little bit of a break

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Speaker 3: of the upcoming weekend. A lot of awards being handed up,

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Speaker 3: but it was an exciting conference championship weekend in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ar mean maybe coming up this week then we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have obviously the college football playoffs. We have that field.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna do much on the field in this episode. Well,

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Speaker 2: next episode to complain about that, so say tune for

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Speaker 2: that next week. And later on the show, Drew Fabianich

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Speaker 2: from the Senior Bowl, the new executive director, will join

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Speaker 2: us to talk a little bit about the invitations that

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Speaker 2: have gone out. Many have been accepted already if you're

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Speaker 2: following them on social media.

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Speaker 1: So a lot to talk about with Drew.

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Speaker 2: But first Tony, let's start with one of the smaller conferences.

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Speaker 2: Last week, James Madison finding their way into the college

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Speaker 2: football playoffs because they.

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Speaker 1: Were with a knock off Troy in the Sun Belt Championship.

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Speaker 3: Game, resounding when they finished the season twelve and one,

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Speaker 3: They're head coach Chesney is headed to UCLA. But in

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Speaker 3: the preview I spoke about raw Rod Thomas, the receiver

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Speaker 3: best defense in the Sun Belt. Finished with three receptions

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Speaker 3: for eighty two yards. He's an explosive receiver with big playability.

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Speaker 3: He's got a nice NFL frame. He catches the ball well.

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Speaker 3: If you missed the show last week, he was with Georgie.

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Speaker 3: He was highly rated by scouts. Prior to the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four season, had some off the field legal issues,

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Speaker 3: was dismissed from the Georgia program, did not play football

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. Has had a good season this

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Speaker 3: but he's got some upside. He's got some potential to

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Speaker 3: his game, and he showed well against the James Madison defense.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, let's jump to the big one.

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Speaker 2: Tony on Saturday night, Indiana manages to defeat Ohio State

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Speaker 2: thirteen to ten, most of because Ohio State just could

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Speaker 1: Just disastrous down there for Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: But this really I think some men's Fernando Mendoza, atop

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Speaker 2: the quarterback rankings in this year's draft, didn't have a

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Speaker 3: Won the Heisman Trophy. Fernando Mendoza, I mean that big

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Speaker 3: touchdown drive in the third quarter and then that big

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Speaker 3: Charlie Barker, which basically shield the game.

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Speaker 4: I mean number one.

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Speaker 3: But he in the gym and asked me Saturday, waned

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Speaker 3: what I thought, Ohio State?

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Speaker 4: Ohise that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, Indiana's got the best

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Speaker 3: Indiana didn't look good early. It was a lot of

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Speaker 4: Agree with you completely.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't great, but He got the job done and

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Speaker 3: He was without a top receiver the Penn State game.

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Speaker 3: He goes to Charlie Becker against Ohio State as he

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Speaker 4: And I mean Mendoza made no bad plays.

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Speaker 3: So he really didn't make any bad plays. He goes

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Speaker 3: College football Playoffs, gonna win a Heisman Trophy on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers trading off for Bryce Young. So we'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and right now the Giants owned that first overall pick,

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Speaker 2: towards the end of the year. And you know, it's funny,

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Speaker 2: I thought both defensive lines dominated this game, Tony.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised.

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Speaker 2: How much trouble do your hoo State offensive line had

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Speaker 3: Kayden Curry played lights out. I mean that has to

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Speaker 3: But they're tough, they're fierce. They run a lot of

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Speaker 3: He talked about him last week in the preview. He's

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Speaker 3: Probably in Day two as your nickelback. But he played

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan Bugler had a Mike Sanser still kind of

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Speaker 2: a good one. And I thought Sony Styles played well.

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Speaker 2: I thought Caleb Downs played well. Rvel Reese had a

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Speaker 2: quiet game. Tony so just tough to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: get a rematch of those two teams in the college

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Speaker 2: maybe even the national championship game. I guess that someone

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Speaker 2: the SEC title game Georgia Alabama Tony, and we'll start

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Speaker 2: the quarterback here quickly. Ty Simpson's got to go back

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Speaker 2: to school. The end of his season just was not

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Speaker 2: just can't imagine. Look, I guess if if team tells

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Speaker 3: Listen on this show at at essentially sports dot com

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Speaker 3: last week, I reported that the word I'm hearing is

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Speaker 3: TYH Simpson is going to go back to Alabama in

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Speaker 3: He was not good against Oklahoma. He struggled against Auburn,

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Speaker 3: from the get go, and ty Simpson did not play well.

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Speaker 3: And you're right, he's over aged, but he only has

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Speaker 4: Even if a.

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Speaker 3: Team says we're going to take you the top fifteen.

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Speaker 3: The learning curve, the curve in the NFL is so

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Speaker 3: You got to wonder if he's ready for it based

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Anybody else in this game jump out to your tone.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I thought Kay Crocter played played poorly.

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Speaker 3: I think CJ. Allen probably established himself as a late

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Speaker 3: Allen's going to fit into that, you know, bottom half

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Speaker 3: would be surprised if he doesn't enter the draft. He's fast,

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Speaker 3: he's explosive. He's not a great blitzer, but he's a

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we did get a Anthony Hill,

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Speaker 1: So just rang my head there talking about CJ.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is Drew Fabianici is the executive director

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Speaker 1: This year is sponsored by Pinini, so people should make

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Speaker 2: We talked before the year, what this process is like?

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Speaker 1: What has this whole process been like for you?

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Speaker 5: Know it, It wasn't broken in any way. I told

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Speaker 2: So, Drew, how much when you put this list together

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Speaker 2: How much do you console with all your friends in

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Speaker 5: And again, I tried to do a pretty h try

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Speaker 5: And again, like you said, hey, there is there an

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00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 5: outside linebacker that's maybe undersized that you want to see

437
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 5: a stackbacker because that's where I think he's going to be.

438
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 5: Is there a safety then maybe a will you know?

439
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 5: And again they they do say that they'd like to

440
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 5: see some guys, but you know what, really it's about

441
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 5: like kind of those late bloomers that you know, kind

442
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 5: of performed really well and maybe only perform really well

443
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 5: for like six games, and it's like, let's find out

444
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 5: what he is, you know, because a lot of these

445
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 5: guys you know exactly what they are and they're not

446
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 5: going to change. They're not going to get any better.

447
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 5: You know, they kind of are what they are. You know.

448
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 5: You want to get the guys with a little bit

449
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 5: more upside. You want to get that guy that's that's

450
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 5: got just that little something different and maybe you didn't

451
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 5: just spend enough time evaluating he's maybe been transfer I mean, yeah,

452
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 5: I mean I feel sorry for the NFL scouts out

453
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 5: there now that I mean. I used to go into

454
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 5: school and there'd be like like eight guys at Ohio State.

455
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 5: Now you're right up twenty four guys, you know, because

456
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 5: you don't know who the hell's coming out and transferring in.

457
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, hey, where was he at last year?

458
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,719
Speaker 5: Did he did he perform?

459
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 4: Well?

460
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 5: He got to go back on tape and watch. I

461
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 5: mean it's a hard job now, I mean just because

462
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 5: of this. Now it's going to start easing up because

463
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 5: the COVID year disappeared, and then hopefully they're going to

464
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 5: do the five for five hopefully here soon in this

465
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 5: coming month to where they can get that extra year

466
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 5: and that's it instead of soon for another six and

467
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 5: seventh year after junior college or whatever. So it's just

468
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 5: got to get scored away. You know, the nc's got

469
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: to do something.

470
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: You mentioned underclassmen. When did the underclassmen invitations go out

471
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: after a guy announces like Anthony Hill? John was to

472
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 3: mentioning before Anthony Hill, the winebacker from Texas has declared

473
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: for the draft. If you have your if you have

474
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: your designs on inviting Anthony Hill, is it going to

475
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: be after the underclass after they make that official announcement

476
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: that they're entering the draft, or do you look at

477
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 3: the seniors first and say, okay, we'll we'll hold a

478
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: couple of invitations back for underclassmen.

479
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 5: I'm holding back a lot of invitations for underclassmen that

480
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 5: I think are coming out. And again I've made agents

481
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 5: well aware of that, and I'll say, look, your player

482
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 5: is is five down and I'm waiting on four. I'm

483
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: waiting on four juniors, you know, something like that. If

484
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 5: they're a graduate already, I can invite them right now.

485
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 5: If they're not a graduate, I have to wait till

486
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 5: they declare between the sixth and the twelfth, Okay to

487
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: publicize it. You know, now I can tell you that.

488
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: You know, maybe I'm talking to some agents about those

489
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 5: guys already, and you know that's that's all I can

490
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 5: do right now. But I am holding back spots at

491
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 5: every single position. And I'm counting that on the guys

492
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: that you know, I'm going like, Okay, he's probably coming out,

493
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 5: and I probably have talked to somebody at the school

494
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: that has told me, yeah, he's coming out or no,

495
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 5: he's staying. And some coaches have actually asked me not

496
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 5: to invite them even though they were a graduate because

497
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 5: they were trying to keep them in school.

498
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: And do you do that though, yeah?

499
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 5: I do, because again I'll hold I'll hold that invite

500
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 5: if the head coach asked me to. But if the

501
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 5: kid declares and he's a graduate, he's getting an invitation

502
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: the next day because I can't you know what I'm saying,

503
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 5: but I'm respecting his wishes because when I was coaching,

504
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: if you got invited to the Senior Bowl, you're going like, hey,

505
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 5: that's a big damn deal, and I'm gonna get drafted

506
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 5: and I going to get drafted high. Well, that may

507
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 5: influence a kid to leave when the head coach really

508
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 5: thinks he needs to stay. The head coach asked me, hey,

509
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 5: do you think he needs to stay? Yeah, And now

510
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 5: you can only turn in three year guys to the advisory.

511
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 5: So they're coming to me about the value on the

512
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 5: players and saying would you mind saying something to them

513
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 5: or telling them exactly what you told me, you know, like, hey,

514
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 5: you know, you probably better stick around. You're really not

515
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 5: anything more than the fourth rounder, and you could increase

516
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 5: your value next year, you know. And because the advisory

517
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: was getting so many guys that the coaches were turning

518
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 5: in that they said, we can't expect the NFL to

519
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 5: great all these guys on first or second round guys

520
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 5: or go back to school. So a lot of them

521
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: are coming to me and because they know I'm watching them,

522
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 5: because it's either hey, is he coming out? Or do

523
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 5: you want him to stay? You know? And that's that's

524
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: why I have to play it, because I want to

525
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: be respectful of the head coach and their program.

526
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: I do so, Drew.

527
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: I get the feeling then that we might see more

528
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: underclassmen than at the Senior Bowl, even though the number

529
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: of early declares might be low, that those players might

530
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: be more interested in playing in an All Star games.

531
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: Should we expect to see more underclassmen at the Senior

532
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: Bowl than we have in the past this year?

533
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: I would say yes, you know, but again, I think

534
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 5: the number isn't going to be as high on the

535
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 5: declaration side because I think those I think those fist sixth,

536
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 5: seventh round guys are going to stay in. You know. Now,

537
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 5: would I have invited them if we were if we

538
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 5: were low at the back end, yeah, I would up.

539
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 5: But you know, again, I'm kind of I'm not really

540
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: sure how this is going to work, you know, with

541
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 5: the juniors now, right, And I mean because put this way,

542
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 5: there's some quarterbacks are going to go back and they're

543
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 5: gonna make a lot of money staying in, and you know,

544
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 5: the portals, you know, excuse me, my layers paying ass

545
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 5: to nine money for quarterbacks, you know, and some of

546
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 5: them played really well and some of them played really

547
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 5: really bad, you know, and that's cost a couple of

548
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: dudes their jobs, to be honest with you, Yeah.

549
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: Talking about quarterbacks, we've seen in the past senior Balls

550
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: where each team has three quarterbacks and other years where

551
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: each team has had four quarterbacks.

552
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: They have been eight quarterbacks at the Senior Ball.

553
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: The quarterback position I think is up in the air,

554
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: especially with the other classmen, because I don't think it's

555
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: of up to expectations.

556
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: What's your feeling right now that you can share.

557
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: Are there going to be six quarterbacks, three on each

558
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: side at the Senior Bowl or would you do you

559
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: think you could get.

560
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: That number could move up to eight forties, like I'd

561
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 4: like to.

562
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: Have it at eight. To be honest with you, I would.

563
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 5: I think that's that's fair to the to the to

564
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 5: the process. And I think that now we can actually

565
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 5: spread the wealth, I mean with practice and with the

566
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: game snaps to where they're all kind of comfortable and

567
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 5: with one hundred and forty guys out there, I mean,

568
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 5: you should only play like twenty to twenty five snaps

569
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: at most anyway, you know, and most of your reps

570
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 5: are going to happen during the week and that's going

571
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 5: to be the pieces that's evaluated. But the piece about

572
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 5: the competition is always huge with NFL personnel and coaches,

573
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: because if a guy doesn't want to compete, especially a quarterback,

574
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: there's goes those red flags. You know, everybody's hey, they're

575
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: always bitching about a guy not thrown at the combine. Well,

576
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 5: quite honestly, if I were a quarterback and I highly

577
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 5: rated one, I wouldn't throw it to combine either, because

578
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: I mean I don't work with any of those guys. Yeah,

579
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 5: I mean, I have no time with any of those guys.

580
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 5: I mean I want to throw to my guys, you know,

581
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: and obviously I don't care if they throw it at

582
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 5: the combine. I just want to see him throw. I mean,

583
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 5: I want to see him play. And when they're playing

584
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: the best against the best, that's a good thing. So

585
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: you and i'd like I said, I bounced around a

586
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 5: little bit on that one. I apologize.

587
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: No, that's all right. We talked about the quarterbacks. Any

588
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: other positions this year drew where you found it very

589
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: difficult to narrow it down to a number of guys

590
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: where they were just super heavy. And on the other hand,

591
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: any positions where you're like, all right, I'm gonna have

592
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: to expand my breath through a little bit because I'm

593
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: having trouble falling up the two rosters.

594
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: That one's easy. This this is a real heavy defensive

595
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 5: end and edge rusher class. I mean real heavy. I'm

596
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 5: probably gonna leave eight to nine guys you know out

597
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 5: that I would be real happy to have any other year.

598
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: I mean, but this is really I mean glutted in

599
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: probably first and second day guys that are pushing guys out.

600
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: You know of this game. You know, it's just it's

601
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: just the way. It's just the way it works every year.

602
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: I mean, like last year was the defensive interior lineman

603
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: were stronger than the defensive ends. Right well, the defensive

604
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 5: interior linemen aren't as strong as the defensive ends. This

605
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: year are kind of holding the same. And I think

606
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: that's been kind of the case for about six to

607
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 5: seven years because I don't think I don't think kids

608
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 5: want to play linebacker anymore. I don't, and there's not

609
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: a lot of run centric offenses anymore. I mean, it's

610
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: all spread and everything else, so you're playing with safeties

611
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: and wills anyway most of the time, and those those

612
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 5: mics now want to touch the ball, so they are

613
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: your h's and your fs now, you know. On offense,

614
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 5: it's just where I've seen that kind of twist, and

615
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: I think it's because of seven on seven also because

616
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 5: all the seven on seven teams, the safeties are not deep.

617
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: The running backs are probably about the same as last year.

618
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: In the middle, I think it's pretty good. In the

619
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 5: upper two or three quarterbacks I think are actually a

620
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: pretty good class, and I think this is going to

621
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 5: prove out to be a little bit better class than

622
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: people think it is. You know, I really do. Receivers

623
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: aren't loaded with number one receivers, but there are a

624
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 5: lot of twos and threes this year, and it's really deep.

625
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: I'm probably leaving about six to seven of them out

626
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: that I would have loved to have in any other year.

627
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: Tight Ends and H and f's are really good this year.

628
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 5: I mean really good. I think this is probably gonna

629
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 5: be one of the best slash why tight end F

630
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: and H tight end classes probably in about the last

631
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 5: three or four years. I really do you know, corners

632
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 5: are probably about the same as always. I mean, I

633
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 5: think there's probably fourteen guys in the first three rounds,

634
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: probably right in there. So it's it varies every year,

635
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: and you know that. I mean, it's just it's kind

636
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: of the luck of the drawing and who actually comes

637
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: out early and who actually stays in. So we'll see.

638
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 5: But I'm really thrilled with the pass rushers with the

639
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 5: edge guys. I really am.

640
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean, ask you do teams ever asked you to

641
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: lean into a specific position, maybe invite more guys at

642
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: one spot.

643
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can. I mean I got to keep it

644
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: kind of constant because I got to keep the I

645
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: got to keep the roster kind of fluid, and like

646
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: like you were talking about, I mean, what if what

647
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 5: if I lose three guys, right? I mean, where am

648
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: I going to pull them from? You know? Can I

649
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 5: pull them from another position?

650
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: No?

651
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: I just got to replace them, you know. So I've

652
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 5: got to keep it kind of constant. And I've got

653
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: numbers for each position that I feel comfortable with. And again,

654
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: they're not going to tell me, you know, hey, I

655
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: need more I need more running backs here. I mean,

656
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: they're not going to tell me that I mean at all,

657
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: that's just I mean, that's just what I've experienced so far.

658
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 5: Maybe that'll change, but nothing yet.

659
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: You're with the transfer portal.

660
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: How difficult is it these days to find kids from

661
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 2: FCS programs, nonpower five school There's some man of those

662
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: kids in the transferring up right because they want to

663
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: go to an you know, powerhouse school where you have.

664
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: Because I know that's something the Senior ball has been

665
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: so good at over the years, is trying to find

666
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: these kids from smaller programs to highlight them against some

667
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: of these power for program players of those programs. How

668
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: hard is it now to find some of those smaller

669
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: program players just because a lot of them don't stay

670
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: there throughout their college career.

671
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: Now incredibly hard to find because guys like me are

672
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 5: taking college jobs and being gms and they're rating the

673
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: division twos they're reading. I mean, they're rating everybody. I said, hey, guys,

674
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 5: I want you to look at every single division. I

675
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: want you to find every single statistical leader, all the

676
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: measurable guys. I want to evaluate it. I'm ready for

677
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 5: the portal. I mean, so guess what I mean when

678
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: I looked at when I looked at our board. We

679
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: only had twenty two guys that were non power four

680
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 5: guys on the board. That's it. And I'll bet she

681
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: was probably fifty to sixty in the past. I mean,

682
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 5: I mean put it this way. My small college guys there,

683
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there's like one one's kind of considered a

684
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: little you know, G five ish, but I got two

685
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 5: and maybe three depending on how the quarterbacks shake out.

686
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: So that's it. I mean three guys.

687
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about the question on the

688
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: offensive line.

689
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: It was a position that you didn't bring up when

690
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 3: you did your evaluation. You know, we see a lot

691
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: of tackles get pushed into guard, sometimes they get pushed

692
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: into center. Is that decision made by the coaches on

693
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: the field, or do the coaches on the field take

694
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: input from yourself or maybe teams to say, hey, listen,

695
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: this guy's a little bit undersized. Can you slide him

696
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: inside the guard for a couple of reps one day?

697
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

698
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: I think it's really kind of festers from me and

699
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: from the other teams, you know, because again I always

700
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 5: say this, like like last year, I mean, why milam

701
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 5: I had at West Virginia. He had short arms and

702
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: I said, he's he's an insight guy. All day long,

703
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: I kept trying to tell everybody that he's a guard,

704
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: and sure enough, Jacksonville's playing in the left tackle still.

705
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a guard, you know, but they got

706
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: to see him play guard here. There are some other

707
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: guys this year, like the hardy kid that plays at

708
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: Oregon that just committed to us he's gonna be playing

709
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 5: guard here. He knows that, I mean, because his arm

710
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 5: link doesn't equate to the NFL arm length. Like you said,

711
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: is he really a guard center? No, he's really just

712
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: a center only. I mean we're going to talk about that.

713
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: But these coaches, I mean, they're not stupid. I mean

714
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 5: they can just look at body each other, just like

715
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: I didn't go, Okay, guess what I mean. He's not

716
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 5: gonna be able to function out there. I mean he

717
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: doesn't have plus thirty four inch thirty four inch arms.

718
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 5: I mean he's not long enough. I mean he's play guard.

719
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: And then it's like, okay, can he ben well enough

720
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: play guard? Then can he play a guard? Center? Combo guy?

721
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 5: And I did miss the the guards and guards and

722
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 5: centers and the tackles. Guards and centers are a little low.

723
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 5: This year, tackles are about the same as last year,

724
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: just number wise.

725
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: I think, is that a salesman job you got to

726
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: do to these players sometimes, Jubas, I'm sure some of

727
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: these players are stubborn. They're like, no, I'm an offensive tackle.

728
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: I want to be an offensive tackle. What are those

729
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: conversations like with the player and with the agent to

730
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: get them to understand that it is in their best

731
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: interest to maybe start a position switch early in the process.

732
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 5: Well, not even so much. A switch is just I mean,

733
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: do you want to show position flex right? Because you

734
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: know a lot of times, I mean, these guys don't

735
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 5: understand that that seventh offensive lineman is usually either a

736
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: guard center or he's a swing tackle, one of the two.

737
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: I mean, because you can't carry enough guys when you

738
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 5: go to the forty you when you go to forty seven, now, right,

739
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: So yeah, it is a sales and put this way,

740
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell the agents the same thing I'm gonna

741
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: tell the kid. I mean, it's like, you know, hey,

742
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 5: guess what, the league's not gonna like him out there,

743
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: so you better show him. Show the kid what he

744
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: can do inside, or his draft stock is not going

745
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 5: to be going up. It's going to be stagnant, and

746
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: it's gonna be there's gonna be a lot of questions

747
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 5: going like can he go inside? Well, if they say

748
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: can he go inside, are they going to take a

749
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 5: risk or are they creatures a habit and say show

750
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 5: it to me, let me see it. All all of

751
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: us were the same way. You know, Hey, he never

752
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: saw his hand on the ball, never saw him snap

753
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: in a game or in practice. I saw him doing practice.

754
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: I'm good, didn't do it practice, didn't do in a game.

755
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 5: I'm going like, I don't know if he can play center.

756
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 5: I mean, so show people what you can do because

757
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 5: so much of the league is what they can't do.

758
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: And what I'm trying to the league is always trying

759
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 5: to tell the player know, right, well, what do they

760
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 5: do well? Show the league what you can do well,

761
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 5: that's that's the biggest thing. So that's that's my sales pitch.

762
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, do what you do well and

763
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: show people what you're capable of doing, because if you don't,

764
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: when it's a gray area, coaches and personnel people are

765
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 5: tunnel vision, dude, they.

766
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: Are One last question for me, I know it's still

767
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: early in the process, but we always see a great

768
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: story come out of the Senior bo Last year was

769
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: the receiver back from TCU makes that catch in.

770
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: The whole story.

771
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: Where we sit right now and it's early December ninth,

772
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: what do you think is going to be the big

773
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: store or do you have a player right now that

774
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: you think is going to be somebody that pops up

775
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: up in stout, say last year, that pops that no

776
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: one is paying attention to.

777
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 5: I think that. I think Jack Pieburn is going to

778
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 5: probably go back to what he showed at Florida instead

779
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 5: of what he showed at LSU. I think he'll he'll

780
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 5: show people he's a hair on fire guy and you

781
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: know he's one of those types. It's going to make

782
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: it really, really difficult on guys down here, Like you

783
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 5: talked about a couple of the the non big name guys.

784
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 5: But Chris Johnson at San Diego State, he's gonna play.

785
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: He's gonna play really well here. He really will. He's

786
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 5: stayed there the whole time. I mean, he's developed, he's

787
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 5: become a really good player. The Demings kid from Stephen

788
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 5: f Austin Long Corner that you know is really good

789
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 5: and pressed really good, got really good length, and he's

790
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 5: got really good feet for his length. And I and

791
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: people don't understand what I mean by that is, you know,

792
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: when you're short limbed, you should have great footspeed. When

793
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 5: those limbs get longer, from that, from that need to

794
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 5: that heel, I mean, it's harder to move that body

795
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 5: and have good footspeed. He's got really good footspeed. He

796
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: just needs to gain some weight and get some strength

797
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: and mass. But I think you know that'll be a story.

798
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I mean, quite honestly, Michael taff

799
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 5: I mean, just off the field, what he's done. I mean,

800
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: just a community service he did for the floods and

801
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: everything else down there, I mean, for those kids. I mean,

802
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: and he's I mean, I hate to say it, but

803
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 5: he's he's a mighty little dude. I mean, and he's

804
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: going to play in the slot. He probably won't be

805
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 5: playing a ton of safety here. You know. Now he's

806
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 5: capable of playing safety, but he's a slot body. So

807
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 5: they're going to want to see him play in the

808
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: slot and play it free. So I mean, you know,

809
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: is he a third round guy? No, But you know

810
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 5: he's going to show pe his value and techies will

811
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 5: walk on and earned everything there. Plus, like I said,

812
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 5: great in the community, I mean great community service. We

813
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 5: had a lot of guys that have put a lot

814
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: of great community service out there too, which I think

815
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: will get highlighted too. You know, you know one of

816
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: my favorites, you know is probably you know, well, I

817
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 5: can't say his I can't say his name because he's

818
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 5: a he's an underclassman. But uh, there's a running back

819
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: that and it's not Jeremiah Love. There's another running back.

820
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 5: It's an underclassman that I'm really excited about. And I

821
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 5: look forward to him coming down here. And he reminds

822
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 5: me of a long better Tony Pollard.

823
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824
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,399
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825
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827
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Speaker 1: from me real quick.

828
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Speaker 2: What position group have you changed your mine on the

829
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: most from what you thought about them before the season,

830
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: where maybe we've had the most guys kind of revealed

831
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: themselves to be really good and it's kind of lifted

832
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: that group up any which group had do you think

833
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: has really forced you to rethink what your priors were

834
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: before the season started?

835
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Speaker 5: Tight Ends? Tight ends there there are more. There are

836
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 5: more more quote why tight ends out there this year

837
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: than I think have been in quite a while. And

838
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 5: I mean guys that now are they George Kittle? No,

839
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: But there are guys out there. There are two or

840
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 5: three guys that can do everything. And now are they

841
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 5: phenomenal out of like Kittle? No, but there's two or

842
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 5: three of them that can do everything. There's really really

843
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 5: good receiving tight ends. It could be big slots. Even

844
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: they've really changed my mind. And like I said, it's

845
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 5: going to be a really good group. And there's one

846
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: tight end I was talking to last night. He was like,

847
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: you know, hey, he says, you know, and I feel

848
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 5: like I'm I feel like I'm a first round wrestler. Really,

849
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: you've come down here and prove it, because I think

850
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 5: there are two guys that are just as good or

851
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: better than you are, you know. So again, that's that's

852
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: what you have to deal with. There's there's some really

853
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 5: again agents agents talk to area scouts, and that is

854
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 5: the worst possible thing that can happen because area scouts

855
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 5: don't see everybody in the country and they don't understand

856
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: that because we used to have guys come back and go, yeah,

857
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 5: he's a first round. I go, now, he's really a third.

858
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 5: She's like, he's like the thirteenth best tackle right right,

859
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: he's not a first rounder, but in his area, that's

860
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 5: like his best player. And so they tell the agent

861
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 5: that and guess what. Then the agent tells the player,

862
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 5: you know, and the agent's not smart enough to go, hey,

863
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 5: could I get like a couple of different opinions on

864
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 5: this guy?

865
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

866
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 5: I got it. I got two second round grades on him. Okay,

867
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 5: he's not he's really a fourth. So again, I don't

868
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 5: know it all. But I just doing so many guys

869
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: so many years, I can least tell you where a

870
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: guy is going to get drafted. Do I know specifically

871
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: what team in their needs and all that, But but

872
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 5: I know a fourth round or a fifth round or

873
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 5: like like in a snap. I mean I got that,

874
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: you know. So that's the biggest piece I have to fight.

875
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 5: John is telling those agents that now you're really he's

876
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: really not. You know, I had wanted to call me

877
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 5: and says I got three, three second round grades on

878
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 5: an underclassman quarterback, so you to tell him to go

879
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 5: back to school, okay, because he's not a second round quarterback,

880
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: not even close. Yeah, yeah, you know.

881
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: It's it's funny because I I not, not to your extent,

882
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: but they'll tell me. You know, I get a second

883
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: round grade and I and I respond second round on

884
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: the last day of the draft, on the third day

885
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: of the draft. If he's uh, if he's not that good,

886
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: you may want to try that angle on occasion.

887
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: I just I try to be as polite as I can,

888
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 5: and if they start arguing with me, I'm like, gotta

889
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: be honest with you. I really don't care what you think.

890
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: I really don't. I mean, again, did you really watch it?

891
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 5: Because I promise you have said this and you won't

892
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 5: try this one too. What do you think about him?

893
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 5: You'd be surprised. They can't tell you a damn thing exactly.

894
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 5: And they're looking for me to give them an evaluation

895
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 5: so they can go back and tell the kid what

896
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: he needs to improve on, you know.

897
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's interesting.

898
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 5: I might giving my information away for free because I

899
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: don't work for you. Yeah, you don't pay me, so,

900
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I saw a boxed I pred no, I

901
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: love it.

902
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I love it.

903
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: When does your evaluation and decision making process start on

904
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: who's going to be coaching the two teams? I'm assuming

905
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be the all star coaching format again, right,

906
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: so you got to start picking the individual coaches eat spot.

907
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: Do you already have like a working list from people

908
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: around the league that you think about? Obviously it depends

909
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: teams make the playoffs, what coaching staff is all retained

910
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

911
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: But where are you in that process?

912
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 5: Well, put it this way, it would be it would

913
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: be really a bad look for me if I reached

914
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: out to teams about their coaches thinking that they were

915
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: not going to for in the playoffs.

916
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Of course, so I.

917
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 5: Actually have to start reaching out to the ones that

918
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 5: are mathematically eliminated now and just say could we get

919
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: a nomination list from you guys? And then it's going

920
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 5: to go to the league and there'll always be that

921
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: maybe two to three spots that we'll save for that

922
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 5: first round of the playoffs that you know, those teams

923
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 5: could possibly squeeze a guy in if they wanted to.

924
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: After you know, they get eliminated, but I don't want

925
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 5: to tell them they're possibly getting eliminated either, you know.

926
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, hey, hey, just you know,

927
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: I know you're in a playoffs, but could you give

928
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 5: me like two guys you know that you know, maybe

929
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 5: you think could play, you know, coach in the Senior

930
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: Bowl and then the league and I will get together.

931
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 5: We got four people I you know, discuss this with,

932
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: and then we'll put that together about fourteen days out

933
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: to thirteen days out from the game, and you know,

934
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 5: and again it's still a little fluid past that first

935
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 5: round the playoffs to where some of those guys may

936
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: get squeezed in. So that's that's what they want to do.

937
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: And I get that because it's a developmental piece for

938
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 5: the coaches. And it's also because, like I said, they

939
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: don't form relationships other than the staffs they're on or

940
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 5: the staffs they've been on. So it's good for them

941
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: to coach with other people too and get to know

942
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: other people on staff. So because you never know, I mean,

943
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: could get hired by somebody that you work with for

944
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: three days. You never know.

945
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, you talk about being coaching convention,

946
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: the Giants might be still looking for their head coach

947
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: at the time. The seed your bull cubs along, So

948
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: we'll have to see how that ends up going.

949
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: I hope I would hope they wouldn't be well.

950
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: You'd laugh though.

951
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: I was the year that the Giants hired Pat Schrmer,

952
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: and I was one of two people from our department

953
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: that were there covering the Senior Bowl, and on my

954
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: cell phone, I had to take the first picture of

955
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: Shermer and Gettleman together sitting in the stands at the

956
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl watching practice. And that was like literally Giants

957
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: higher Pat Sherber the picture on the website.

958
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: So sometimes these things go.

959
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Out a little bit longer than you might want to think,

960
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: depending if your target might be in the postseason, you

961
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

962
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: That happened sometimes.

963
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And can I go back real quick on

964
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: college ball? Sure, maybe they should have called Matt Campbell

965
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 5: the first first call phone call Penn State instead of waiting.

966
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: Well and Drew, let me ask you, how do you

967
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: handle something like that?

968
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you got the Titans and the

969
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: Giants are I have a question as to who's going

970
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: to be coaching them in twenty twenty six. Do you

971
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: send that nomination list out to franchises who basically we

972
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: don't know yet who.

973
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 4: Had you just gonna be?

974
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: You have to, I mean, because you never know. I mean,

975
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 5: and again, if that doesn't happen and those guys end

976
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 5: up you know, how to work or whatever, and they

977
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 5: come down here, I mean, it's still an opportunity for

978
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: them to show people that they can coach. I mean, so,

979
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 5: I mean again, hopefully they're not getting nominated because they

980
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 5: can't coach. Hopeully they're getting nominated because they actually can.

981
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 5: So I mean, I got to play it both ways.

982
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 5: I got to be respectful, but I also have to say,

983
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: you know, hey, I don't know if they're going to

984
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: be there, but you know there's some guys there that

985
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 5: can coach. I mean, so why not give them an opportunity?

986
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I wish I'd had I wish I'd had

987
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 5: this opportunity when I was coaching. I mean, you know, hey,

988
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: just at least get to know other guys, you know,

989
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: especially you know, like people, if you know what I mean,

990
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 5: coaching wise.

991
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. All right, Drew, make your pitch before

992
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: we say goodbye.

993
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: Why should people tune in and watch all the senior

994
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: world practices in the game. If you're down there, why

995
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: should they come out to the game. Why is it

996
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: such a great experience down there.

997
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I don't know how the game

998
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: experience is. I've just heard it's an incredible game experience.

999
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: But here's my pitch to what I've always said, just

1000
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 5: in the state and and you know, I'm out speaking

1001
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: to colleges and you know, and when they bring me in,

1002
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: where can you go and watch more draftable players at

1003
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: one place at one time. Sure, it's that damn.

1004
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Simple actually playing football, by the way, that's right, That's right.

1005
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 5: I mean because somebody will say, like, well Alabama Auburn, No,

1006
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: that's not the case. Not everybody on that not everybody

1007
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 5: on that twenty two now is going to be playing

1008
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Everybody, everybody here is going to get drafted.

1009
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just that's just how it always has been.

1010
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: And to say that it's just a local game, it's not.

1011
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 5: I mean it should be more nationally pieced, you know,

1012
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 5: from different media areas like the like the New York,

1013
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: like the Denvers. I mean, they ought to be covering

1014
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 5: this a little bit thicker, I think, and some reason

1015
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 5: they don't, I mean because they think, oh, well, we

1016
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: can just watch watch it on TV and listen to

1017
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 5: everybody else. You know, being down here, there's a lot

1018
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: to be seen that's not seen on TV.

1019
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Yep, a lot.

1020
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 5: And you're also going to hear a lot more down

1021
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 5: here than you would if you weren't somewhere else. So again,

1022
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 5: that's my pitch, and that it's that simple, I mean,

1023
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: and again you're seeing the future of the NFL here.

1024
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 5: Every single year. This is year I think seventy seven,

1025
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 5: you know for this game, and the last two years

1026
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 5: it's been sold out, I mean sold out, turn people away,

1027
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: and I've heard it's an incredible party outside too, pregame.

1028
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 5: Don't know. I've never been here, but this is my first.

1029
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 5: And you know, the community loves this game and revers

1030
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 5: this game and treats this as their own and that's

1031
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 5: why it's been successful. How many other All Star games

1032
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 5: have stayed in one place? You know? This long true? Nowhere?

1033
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 3: I mean, well, unlet's think Jim Drew said, Jim reach

1034
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: out to Jim Naggie at all, you know, because I

1035
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: mean he did such, he did a terrific job at

1036
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl. He'll always be my hero for pulling

1037
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: off the twenty twenty one Senior Ball practices when the

1038
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: entire world would shut down, and Jim said, we're going

1039
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 3: to have the event and he did. Did you reach

1040
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: out and speak with him? And now he's having great

1041
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: success at at Oklahoma, which is great to see. Did

1042
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: you reach out to him at all and speak with him?

1043
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 5: We've talked about three or four times, but bo see,

1044
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 5: we've known each other for years and you know, and

1045
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 5: he asked me about the whole general manager thing and

1046
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, what, Welcome to college football.

1047
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 5: I said, welcome to the b S Show. Okay. I

1048
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 5: was like, welcome to June because he had never done

1049
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: the June in college football. I said, is the worst

1050
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: possible month you will ever spend in your entire life, right,

1051
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 5: And I described to him this is how it's going

1052
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 5: to be. And he was like, He's like, who, I

1053
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 5: didn't know that? And then I tell him, I said, Hey,

1054
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 5: I said, all these Christmas surprises that you're leaving for

1055
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: me down here that I didn't know about, I would

1056
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: really appreciate it. You had told me up front you know,

1057
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: especially about the unofficial mayor of Mobile. He should have

1058
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 5: told me that. You know, way back, He's just like, hey,

1059
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 5: get used to the media piece, and they said, get

1060
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 5: used to being on TV, get used to doing interviews,

1061
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 5: get used to doing the radio. I was like, ooh,

1062
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 5: because he knows. I just don't like it, you know,

1063
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 5: I mean, but it is, it is what it is,

1064
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 5: and I got I gotta do what I have to do.

1065
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, we and again we hadn't talked, uh talk

1066
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 5: two weeks ago about his players. You know that we

1067
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 5: were sending invites to so we feel good about those

1068
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: guys too. They're not getting their invites yet because Venerables

1069
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 5: is not handing them out till they're done. Oh wow,

1070
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 5: there's a lot of them guys. I mean, I know

1071
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 5: Mario is not going to do it at Miami. I

1072
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 5: know I know a lot of coaches that are not

1073
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 5: going to turn them over till they're done. I mean,

1074
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 5: Ohio State will hold them until they're done, promise you.

1075
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 5: Indiana's went out yesterday.

1076
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: What is the thought process behind that?

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Speaker 5: When you're coaching, you don't want any distractions. You don't

1078
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 5: want to you want to, you don't want to single

1079
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 5: players out for those certain honors that other guys may

1080
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 5: feel that they're equal to, which they're not. You know,

1081
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 5: That's why I was just at you know, oh, well

1082
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 5: it'll be out today. I was at Lubwick yesterday. You know,

1083
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: they asked me to come out and do their invites

1084
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 5: and they were doing their Senior Appreciation night out out

1085
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: of the Steakhouse out you know, way out from Lubbick,

1086
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: about fifteen miles out the kind of like that ranch.

1087
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 5: And they said, hey, could you just do it there?

1088
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 5: And I was like sure. I mean, so I did

1089
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl invites before they did each senior appreciation

1090
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 5: you know, that night, and we did one local player

1091
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 5: that I did him early and put him on a

1092
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 5: zoom call. You know. Jack Gilmore set it up for him.

1093
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 5: It was he's a local here, Lee Hunter's out of

1094
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 5: Texas Tech. And he had his head coach from Junior

1095
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 5: High high school, his mom, and the principal all on

1096
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 5: in by hall.

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he was he was so jacked up. I said, hey,

1099
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 5: someone wants to talk to you. Set him down right,

1100
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: And when he saw his mom, it was just it

1101
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 5: was over his face, just blew up, you know. So,

1102
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: but yeah, that's that's what I did yesterday. So I

1103
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 5: mean there's a lot going on, and it's there's always

1104
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 5: a lot going on.

1105
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: So for those stakes, and by the ways, for those

1106
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: stakes in public, did they just like pull the cow

1107
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: off the ranch like twe hundred feet away, bring him

1108
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: at the back and just start growing them up.

1109
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you what now. It was the It

1110
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 5: was the best life. I mean, they had two hundred

1111
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 5: and two hundred fifty people there and they had all

1112
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: the steaks already done in the cooler, right, they all

1113
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 5: had them by temperature. Right, you got to choose them

1114
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: out of a cooler. They size all lined up, I

1115
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 5: promise you. They finished probably in fifteen minutes and there

1116
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 5: were two hundred and fifty people there.

1117
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: Texans, those steaks Man Texans Saks.

1118
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 4: They don't mess barbecue.

1119
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean when we were out there at Frisco, you

1120
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: go to the barbiege places, you just picked the meters.

1121
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: It's being coached, you know.

1122
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: It's funny you talk about Lee Hunter and people try

1123
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: Texas Tech for being the best team that money can buy.

1124
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 3: But there have been great transfer success stories like Lee Hunter,

1125
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 3: like David Bailey. I mean, I don't know that those

1126
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: guys would have played to the level that they did

1127
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five had they not transferred to a

1128
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: place like Texas Tech. So, yeah, benefits the school, but

1129
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: it also benefits the players.

1130
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 5: Agree. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go back a little

1131
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 5: bit on you. Now, you said the best team money

1132
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 5: can buy. That's not true.

1133
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 4: Well I'm not saying that's what people say.

1134
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm not even saying I agree with it, But that's

1135
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: what you hear because because.

1136
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 5: They're I can name three teams that spend hell a

1137
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: lot more money than they do, and they're not They're

1138
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 5: not there. Okay, So I mean again, I think they

1139
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 5: just did a really really good job of the evaluation

1140
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: process on finding exactly what they needed. I mean, gosh,

1141
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 5: I think they went from like like a hundred hundredth

1142
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 5: in defense to like fifth. And they say, well, he

1143
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 5: spends seven million dollars on the defensive line.

1144
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: Well guess what.

1145
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: They also have buload of sacks, a bowtload of pressures.

1146
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 5: They stopped the run. I mean, so guess what. Why

1147
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 5: don't you give Joey, Why don't you give Joey some credit?

1148
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: And James Blanchard for bringing in the right guys, okay,

1149
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 5: instead of going, well, it's just money, no, because Oregon

1150
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 5: spends more money than they do, Ohio State spends more money?

1151
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 5: To Texas, does they spend more money? I mean Texas

1152
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 5: A and M spends more money. I mean, but all

1153
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 5: of a sudden, just because they do that, that it's

1154
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 5: out of the norm, you know. So again, I'm just

1155
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 5: I'm kind of supporting them because I like the idea

1156
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 5: that guys should get credit for evaluating the right players

1157
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 5: instead of busting on the right on the wrong players.

1158
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 5: Because put this way, there's a guy that got his job.

1159
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 5: He got he got kicked out the curb because he

1160
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 5: chose two quarterbacks right, none of them could play, and

1161
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 5: spend a lot of money on them. So he's out

1162
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 5: of work. Okay, Well, maybe if you would add somebody

1163
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 5: like James Blanchard running around that place and said, no,

1164
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 5: these guys can't play, and we already be signing this guy,

1165
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 5: he might still have a job. But these coaches they

1166
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 5: don't see. They see like I want to control everything

1167
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 5: and I know more than everybody else does. Well, go coach,

1168
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 5: let the guy that's a player personnel professional handle that

1169
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 5: piece up. But that's what I did. It was like, hey,

1170
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 5: guess what, you go, coach ball, I'll handle everything else.

1171
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 5: Let's roll. Yeah. So again, I didn't mean to go off,

1172
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 5: but I just I get tired of hearing that about

1173
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 5: Texas Tech gain that brought up every single time they're

1174
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 5: on TV. You know, well, go ahead.

1175
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry. I dined the drop that you're done.

1176
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: I just like it much to say how how much

1177
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 5: a Worgan spent on their D line. I bet it's comparable.

1178
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 4: What I say was not the disparage. I know.

1179
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: It's also that it works well for these players because

1180
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 3: if David Bailey's station Stanford, if Lee Hunter was at

1181
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 3: such a Florida, I don't know that they they progress,

1182
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: they developed to the level that they.

1183
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 5: Have in Romelo Heighten. I mean yeah, I mean I

1184
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: totally agree with you, and I know you weren't disparaging

1185
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 5: Texas Tech. I just I just get tired of the narrative,

1186
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: you know, because that's always the narrative like, oh, well,

1187
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: you know, they just spent a lot of money, that's

1188
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 5: why they're good. No, that's not that's not why they

1189
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: were good. They got they chose the right guys, you know,

1190
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: And put this way, when I was with the Cowboys,

1191
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 5: when we chose the wrong guys, guess what we got

1192
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 5: penalized for it.

1193
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1194
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: It's like, guess what that guy can't play. That's your fault.

1195
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 5: You're the one being to town and being to Tom

1196
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 5: Tom for him, you know. And guess what, our coaches

1197
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 5: didn't use them right way. You know, you always say that,

1198
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: you know whatever, But no, I didn't mean to say

1199
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 5: that at all, John, No, that were good.

1200
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Speaker 2: And by the way, you're speaking of which are our

1201
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: mutual friend speaking of scouts, that that that got yelled

1202
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: at for stuff. Brian Broadest sends as regards to you,

1203
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah.

1204
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 5: Well as ask him about the Tony Romo's story one day.

1205
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I will do that.

1206
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, you say you don't like doing

1207
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: the media stuff, Drew, you're pretty good at it. This

1208
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: was a fun conversation and it's nice to get an honest,

1209
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: true take from someone that's done the scouting and on

1210
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: the college side and on the pro side that's able

1211
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: to kind of put this all together in a logical way.

1212
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: So we really appreciate the time.

1213
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 5: Hey, I appreciate. I appreciate that, because I mean, you know,

1214
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't care for it. And again, it's

1215
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 5: just like you said, the best part about this with

1216
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 5: you guys, this was a conversation, right. There are times

1217
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 5: when it's like, and I'll be nice about this, I

1218
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 5: refuse to do some media now because I don't get

1219
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: talking points. It comes out of the air and it's

1220
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 5: totally off base, and I'm trying to figure out exactly

1221
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: how to answer this, and I'm going like, wait a minute,

1222
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 5: I mean, what was the reasoning for even asking this question?

1223
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: And then I'm supposed to answer it and I'm going

1224
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 5: and then I get a paragraph a long question. Sometimes

1225
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 5: I'm going like, okay, how about have I just answered

1226
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 5: one of those? You know, that's when I get That's

1227
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 5: when I get flustered, and I I flustered, but I

1228
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: get pissed off and I get salty about it, and

1229
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 5: I'll probably just tell people I get I guess what,

1230
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 5: I'm not doing the interviews with those dudes anymore, not

1231
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 5: doing it. Not doing it. Yeah, and you guys understand.

1232
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 5: You guys understand ball, which which helps a great deal too,

1233
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 5: you know, because we're just talking ball, right, that's all

1234
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 5: we're doing, you know. So I appreciate you guys too,

1235
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 5: I really do.

1236
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: Nah, we appreciate you, Drew. Thank you so much. And uh,

1237
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: this is only the beginning of the chaos for you.

1238
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure you don't quite know what the next eight

1239
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: weeks are going to be like for you. I'm sure

1240
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be a ton of fun. There'll be

1241
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: a lot of long days and long nights, but I'm

1242
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: sure it's gonna go great. Thank you so much for

1243
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: the time.

1244
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, guys, thank you. Thank you for having

1245
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 5: me really.

1246
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: No, thank you for coming on and giving us all

1247
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: this time. And that's you, fib be honest, Executive director

1248
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: of the Pennini Senior Bowl. We thank you for joining

1249
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: us on draft season, brought to you by Moody's. We'll

1250
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: be back with your next week of the preview of

1251
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: the college football player offs.

1252
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: We'll see then.