Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied
Speaker 1: psychology and evolutionary biology, and on the show, we like
Speaker 1: to dive into the brains of people and animals and
Speaker 1: find out we're all pink and squishy on the inside.
Speaker 1: Speaking of inside, today we're talking about introverts, fish who
Speaker 1: want to stay inside all day and play Fintendo. An
Speaker 1: animal who doesn't want to see anybody right now. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's completely ditched its eyeballs. And spiders who should be
Speaker 1: called shiders because you know they're they're very shy. Discover
Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the agul question, isn't
Speaker 1: it about time we all got a cloaca? So lots
Speaker 1: of animals are shy in the sense that they don't
Speaker 1: really want to be eaten. Being timid isn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: bad thing, especially when you could make a tasty meal
Speaker 1: from many predators. Even those doing the eating may want
Speaker 1: to keep a low profile so they don't scare away
Speaker 1: potential prey. Being introverted isn't a bad evolutionary strategy, but
Speaker 1: some animals take it to the extreme. Not that I
Speaker 1: can relate that all being a total party animal. Joining
Speaker 1: me today is co host of the game Fully Unemployed
Speaker 1: podcast network and former snail farmer David Bell. Hi, welcome, Dave,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I'm excited to be here. Do
Speaker 1: you want to explain really briefly why you're a former
Speaker 1: snail farmer. I got an aquarium in my twenties and
Speaker 1: we got two snails for it, and then it became
Speaker 1: fifty snails because they really like to mate. I guess, uh,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's the that's the end of the explanation.
Speaker 1: And then and then I don't know what happened to
Speaker 1: that tank. I think we gave the snails away because
Speaker 1: it was just too much to handle, too many mouths
Speaker 1: to Yeah, in your twenties, there's a lot of responsibility
Speaker 1: is having that many snails actually currently have that situation.
Speaker 1: I have an aquarium which is mostly snails. Now they're virus.
Speaker 1: I love them, these little upy little things, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could really snails can really take over. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they're the rams horn snails and those are they're
Speaker 1: the ones with the sort of like ice cream cone
Speaker 1: shaped shell and they are just unstoppable. That I'm going
Speaker 1: to become a snail woman, like they will be. This
Speaker 1: apartment will be snails soon. Yeah. So, Dave, today I
Speaker 1: want to talk about some introverted animals. And this is
Speaker 1: going to be really hard for us because we are
Speaker 1: both just total social butterflies. You know, it's gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard for us to
Speaker 1: relate to these introverted animals, right, I just gotta go
Speaker 1: out all the time. Yeah, that's what that's me. Everybody's like,
Speaker 1: look at Dave, He's always out there. Yeah, exactly. The
Speaker 1: quarantine is like a big departure from my normal routine
Speaker 1: where I was going out every day, hit in the town,
Speaker 1: painting that town red, bumping elbows, going to parties all
Speaker 1: the time, randomly approaching strangers, talking to strangers. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's my favorite. I do love to talk to strangers.
Speaker 1: So good at it with strangers that you making phone
Speaker 1: calls for fun, Just hold someone up on the phone,
Speaker 1: you know best, it's the best. Yes, But what we
Speaker 1: will try to empathize with these introverted, shy animals, as
Speaker 1: hard as it is for us, the most gregarious people
Speaker 1: in the world. So Dave have you heard of the
Speaker 1: way that eels are coping with the quarantine times? Huh?
Speaker 1: I imagine they're slithering in the water a lot. Theyre
Speaker 1: in holes, they pop out of holes and freak people out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just doing the eel stuff, you know, opening their mouths
Speaker 1: in a weird way. Yeah, you're not too wrong. You've
Speaker 1: already this is good. You've got kind of a baseline
Speaker 1: understanding of the whole eel vibe. So now we're just
Speaker 1: going to kind of fill in the blanks and learn
Speaker 1: all about eels because they are one of the I
Speaker 1: love these guys. They are just a bunch of shy
Speaker 1: like little spaghetti's, little pool noodles who are like the
Speaker 1: most adorable grumps to me. They love to sink into
Speaker 1: a hole and look at you like they're telling you
Speaker 1: to get off of their front porch, even though they
Speaker 1: don't have a porch. They got a real grandpa vibe.
Speaker 1: You've seen those videos of people petting eels like dogs. Yeah, yeah, that,
Speaker 1: what's what's up with that? That's amazing? Well, actually I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about that, So probably the eels
Speaker 1: that they are petting maybe more's and as we will
Speaker 1: discuss soon, they can actually learn to be friendly towards humans.
Speaker 1: But it's not actually the best idea to pet a
Speaker 1: wild mora, not because it'll hurt you necessarily, but because
Speaker 1: that's not good for the wild moras or for the reefs.
Speaker 1: But first, I want to talk about a little tiny
Speaker 1: eel that is about I don't know the size of
Speaker 1: a pipe cleaner, and it is the spotted garden eel.
Speaker 1: And so the Sumita Aquarium in Tokyo is growing concerned
Speaker 1: that they're introverted. Garden eels are going to forget what
Speaker 1: humans are and grow even more introverted and afraid of
Speaker 1: people now that there are no visitors because of the lockdown,
Speaker 1: And so the aquarists are finding that it is difficult
Speaker 1: to take care of the eels and check in on
Speaker 1: their health because they have literally forgotten what humans are
Speaker 1: and now they're getting spooped. Like it didn't take very long.
Speaker 1: They've just forgotten like what a person is. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like I want to check up on your eel health,
Speaker 1: you know, like put a little tongue to press or
Speaker 1: down your eel mouth, and they're like, who are you?
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are? What are you what
Speaker 1: what and Sam's hill are you? You have things coming
Speaker 1: out of your body and you're not shaped like a
Speaker 1: little noodle. I don't know what you are and I'm not, frankly,
Speaker 1: I'm not having any of it. Yeah, well, here's the thing, Like,
Speaker 1: like our hands kind of look like mouths, like you
Speaker 1: can make mouths with your hands, right, like puppets, And
Speaker 1: our feet kind of have like things on the end.
Speaker 1: So we must look like a big eel with a
Speaker 1: bunch of little eels coming off of them. Like imagine
Speaker 1: a person like that, where it's like a person, but
Speaker 1: then there's a people bunch people growing out of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole concept of hands and feet are
Speaker 1: probably really offensive to eels, just kind of like why
Speaker 1: would you grow this like defensive protrusion out of what
Speaker 1: could be a perfect noodle body? Right? They look at
Speaker 1: us and they're like, that's excessive. That is what are
Speaker 1: they doing? You need you just need the one the
Speaker 1: one long thing and you got the grabber and it
Speaker 1: grabs and eats shoving your arms down our throats. Really
Speaker 1: so in order to make sure these eels don't just
Speaker 1: go completely feral and forget the touch of a human hand,
Speaker 1: they have set up a bunch of tablets with face
Speaker 1: time on for the eels to look at, and they've
Speaker 1: asked the public to call in and face time with
Speaker 1: the eels, so the eels once again become accustomed to
Speaker 1: human faces. Okay, why aren't we doing that right? Please
Speaker 1: face time with the eels. I'm going to do that
Speaker 1: all day, all day. I'll link to an article. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I hope this is still going on. I
Speaker 1: think you can only call at certain hours. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: it's international. I'm not sure if it's just like they
Speaker 1: only accept like local callers, but yeah, I will definitely
Speaker 1: if there is a way to face time with these eels,
Speaker 1: I will link you to it. And oh, they did
Speaker 1: mention in the article I read like, if you do
Speaker 1: face time with the eels, don't don't bow guard the eels,
Speaker 1: don't hog them, like, only spend five minutes because other
Speaker 1: people are eagerly wanting to face time with the eels.
Speaker 1: So you know that's going to be a problem for me.
Speaker 1: I was to just have the eel channel on in
Speaker 1: my apartment all day. Dave's gonna be on eel cam
Speaker 1: like all day. Yeah, yeah, so I do want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what garden eels are, Dave.
Speaker 1: I have a few photos in the dock here for
Speaker 1: you to look at. These are the first ones. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're a little faces, stubborn little faces they yeah, and
Speaker 1: I see the FaceTime. That's terrific. Yeah, just these floating
Speaker 1: people looking at the eels with the light. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it looks looks like a haunted house or something. Imagine
Speaker 1: like being one of these eels and you pop out
Speaker 1: of your little burrow and there is just a person's
Speaker 1: face floating there. Right, they're gonna be like, well, this
Speaker 1: doesn't make me like humans anymore. Like now they're like me,
Speaker 1: like they're doing some some weird big Brother stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like it's eel blade Runner. Yeah, it absolutely is eel
Speaker 1: blade running. The eels are living in a dystopian future,
Speaker 1: like a cyberpunk future, because it's also like these blue
Speaker 1: lights and stuff in the aquarium cyberpunk eels. Let me
Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about the spotted
Speaker 1: garden eels so you can get a sense of these
Speaker 1: grumpy little little noodles. So they are a species of
Speaker 1: eel that they look like little pieces of spaghetti and
Speaker 1: they hide in the sand, so they burrowed down into
Speaker 1: the sand, so when you see them, you don't usually
Speaker 1: just see them swimming around in the water. They're usually
Speaker 1: just poking their heads out of the sand or poking
Speaker 1: out maybe like a third of their body length out
Speaker 1: of the sand. And that's why they're called garden eels actually,
Speaker 1: because they all stick out of the sandy floor like
Speaker 1: a plant, and they live in clusters, so they kind
Speaker 1: of look like weird ocean grass. And they can grow
Speaker 1: up to about fifteen inches long, so that's forty centimeters
Speaker 1: with only a half inch diameter, so fourteen millimeters. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just little long tubes build. Yeah, if if I
Speaker 1: saw some one in an aquarium or close up, they'd
Speaker 1: be very cute. But I imagine it's extremely unnerving if
Speaker 1: you're diving and you see what you think is grass
Speaker 1: and it starts slithering. Yeah, I can see them being creepy.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, I can see them like triggering a very
Speaker 1: specific phobia in people that they didn't even know they had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: imagine snorkeling and you're just kind of like floating around
Speaker 1: and you're you feel like some like grass on your
Speaker 1: tummy and you're like, oh that tickles, and you look
Speaker 1: down and the grass is just like got these eyes
Speaker 1: and this really grumpy little face. Like they're like a
Speaker 1: Jim Henson character. Yes, yeah, the yeah, the mouth is
Speaker 1: downturned and really close to the eyes, so it looks
Speaker 1: like a really grumpy muppet. It remember the what are
Speaker 1: the aliens from? Remember those? Like nope, nope, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no aliens. I do, but not enough to identify them
Speaker 1: beyond what you just did to describe them. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were a Jim Henson puppet that was basically like a
Speaker 1: sheet of fuzzy fabric and then like a big big
Speaker 1: mouth and they would just go ye in retrospect in retros,
Speaker 1: that feels real lazy of him, Like that feels like
Speaker 1: a last minute muppet that they were like, we just
Speaker 1: need a muppet for this segment, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: put a sheet over his hand. They have an extensive
Speaker 1: character bible with a backstory and like how they had
Speaker 1: to escape their home planet because of their planet's version
Speaker 1: of global warming and they had to escape to Earth
Speaker 1: and now they're desperately trying to warn humans not to
Speaker 1: make this mistake, but they kind of condensed that into them,
Speaker 1: just saying yep. So it is a sort of cream
Speaker 1: color and covered in black spots, and it has yellow eyes.
Speaker 1: They are found in the tropical oceans near Japan, Eastern Africa,
Speaker 1: and Polynesia. Uh. They dig burrows into the sand so
Speaker 1: they can quickly zip into the sand to hide from
Speaker 1: predators and stick back out to catch drifting food. And
Speaker 1: they basically spend their whole adult lives in these burrows.
Speaker 1: And during mating season, they'll just make burrows closer together
Speaker 1: so they can still mate while being homebodies, just carefully
Speaker 1: scooching their burrows together as it should be. It's like
Speaker 1: moving next to someone, Like there's an apartment complex and
Speaker 1: there's someone you want to date, so you just like
Speaker 1: move next to them. And I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I do think I mean, I know people just don't
Speaker 1: have the income to do this. I do think there
Speaker 1: should be a step between moving in together and dating,
Speaker 1: where it's do you want to move next to each other?
Speaker 1: I want to be neighbors. Yeah, let's be neighbors. Let's
Speaker 1: see if that works, because then you know how noisy
Speaker 1: they are, sort of know how they live day to day. Um,
Speaker 1: if you can get along with someone as your neighbor.
Speaker 1: Basically you can have a marriage that lasts until you die,
Speaker 1: because it's hard. It's hard to get along with a neighbor.
Speaker 1: I have a neighbor that like just leaves garbage outside
Speaker 1: and like raw chicken cutlets on the staircase sometimes and
Speaker 1: just once a whole pineapple. So in that case, I understand, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't work out in a marriage because I
Speaker 1: don't I don't like to put pineapples outside, right, I
Speaker 1: know I'm the weird neighbor because like my my neighbor
Speaker 1: leaves her door open and she has a dog, and
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of like squinting at the sun and
Speaker 1: we'll just grab whatever her packages outside. I live like
Speaker 1: the guys in the bourbs, like you don't see me much,
Speaker 1: and then when I come out, I'm a nightmare. But
Speaker 1: now that's just that's normal though. Yeah it is sort
Speaker 1: of normal. But it was kind of always what I
Speaker 1: was doing. So yeah, well but now it's just like
Speaker 1: you are the trendsetter. Yeah, that's true. I was ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve. So now I want to talk about
Speaker 1: what what are eels? What what are eels, als? What
Speaker 1: even our eels? Have you seen the David Dakovany jeopardy
Speaker 1: clip We're One of the answers was what are frogs?
Speaker 1: And then you hear David Daco just go what are frogs?
Speaker 1: Like to himself just having fun over in the corner.
Speaker 1: That's excellent. I love that. What what are frogs? Frogs? Huh?
Speaker 1: When you think about it, it's a deep question. What
Speaker 1: are frogs? I know this isn't about frogs, but they are.
Speaker 1: They are weird, right frogs? We never we never think
Speaker 1: about it, but it's like, what are what is going
Speaker 1: on with you guys? You guys are agree? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe they should be more too black and fewer limbs
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So eels are in order of bony
Speaker 1: ray fin fish with elongated bodies. So they are a fish.
Speaker 1: They're not a snake. They are not a piece of linguini.
Speaker 1: There fins have fused into a single cell that runs
Speaker 1: along the top and bottom of their bodies. And there
Speaker 1: are over eight hundred species of eels. The shortest species
Speaker 1: is the one jawed eel, which is about two inches long,
Speaker 1: which is five centimeters, and the longest eel is the
Speaker 1: slender giant moray that can grow up to thirteen feet
Speaker 1: which is four meters, and they can weigh fifty five pounds,
Speaker 1: which is that's a that's like, gosh, it's too much. Well,
Speaker 1: you can jump rope with that though, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't enjoy it. Do some underwater double dutch. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you should do it. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: right to do that. I think it's cruel and wrong.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is you could. That's true, that don't
Speaker 1: but you could you ever hear? You? Ever hear the
Speaker 1: band the Eels? No, they did, they did. There was
Speaker 1: like nineties they had nineties fame. They did what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the song? Novaca? They did a song called
Speaker 1: I Like Birds that's like perfect for you? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: How have I not heard this band before? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just the one song that's all you need. Do They
Speaker 1: have a song about jump roping with an eel and
Speaker 1: how you really want to jump rope with an eel
Speaker 1: but don't want to admit it to anyone. But the
Speaker 1: band is all tube shaped. They're all tubes shaped. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. I'm imagining just like the sort of like
Speaker 1: wacky inflatable Uh, those like wack inflatable tube dancy guys,
Speaker 1: except like they're just made out of human flesh. Right, God,
Speaker 1: do you think of you would let us jump rope? No, no,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't, And I don't secretly want to either, sure,
Speaker 1: sure of course not. I imagine them with their little
Speaker 1: faces and you're jump roping and like they're just allowing it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they just got that little eel face, that half
Speaker 1: open mouth face. But yeah, that's probably not how would go. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's probably how would go. But the eel, I would say,
Speaker 1: the eel's ability to express its fury is probably limited,
Speaker 1: so it would have that like gay mouthed eel face,
Speaker 1: but it would be furious with you planning things. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the heaviest species of eels is the European conger,
Speaker 1: who weighs up to two hundred and forty pounds. And
Speaker 1: that's a hundred and tink. That's that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of eel. I feel like twounds. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: like a person. Yeah. Look at the there's a picture
Speaker 1: of a guy jump rope with me, jump rope with me,
Speaker 1: try to jump rope with me. So eels are typically
Speaker 1: quite shy. They like to burrow into sand or live
Speaker 1: in a din, in rocks or in a reef. They
Speaker 1: have all sorts of different kinds of skin colorations, so
Speaker 1: they can be spotted, banded pattern they can be really pretty.
Speaker 1: And that brings me to the Morays. So More's are
Speaker 1: a family of eels with species found all over the
Speaker 1: world's scans. And by the way, when a species is
Speaker 1: found like all over the world, it's called a cosmopolitan species.
Speaker 1: When I first read like cosmopolitan animal, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like just an animal with like a martini in its hand,
Speaker 1: voting in pr you know, yeah, hearing that. If I
Speaker 1: read that word, I'd be like, no, that's not what
Speaker 1: they're called. Like nice, try science book. It's this eel
Speaker 1: just kind of like holding his air pods with weird gills,
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, I read, I read an
Speaker 1: interesting article in the New Yorker. So it's also the
Speaker 1: I believe the type of eel that those eels in
Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid were fashioned after the what are their names?
Speaker 1: I don't know. A goof and jeepers, I don't really
Speaker 1: flats some and jets some thank you so much. Joe,
Speaker 1: our producer just told us, Flotsom and Jetson, you had that,
Speaker 1: you had that ready, she had it like locked and loaded.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of blown over that, which is the
Speaker 1: best Disney villain. And I have her whole song memorized
Speaker 1: and she out so it's there, No, that that's that's
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. I do love I do love that song.
Speaker 1: But I forgot that their names are Flotsom and Jetson,
Speaker 1: but they are More's and so on. A couple of ways,
Speaker 1: like to know what a Moore is, I I think
Speaker 1: it's good to have like a little jingle. So here,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here's a little jingle to to identify
Speaker 1: a more when it don't have good eyes and it
Speaker 1: relies on it smells, that's SMA. When it's got big
Speaker 1: sharp teeth in it hides in the reef. That's some more.
Speaker 1: Here you go, there we go. You're making my afternoon,
Speaker 1: Katie like you. That's good. Okay, that's good. That's that's
Speaker 1: my singing for the day. Actually, no, that's not my
Speaker 1: singing for the day. I have been singing a lot
Speaker 1: in quarantine. Not well, okay, I wouldn't say singing because
Speaker 1: I'm not really a singer, but I have been just
Speaker 1: singing random jingles throughout the day, much to the delight
Speaker 1: of my boyfriend and my dog, who have to hear
Speaker 1: it all day long. Things like, you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to take the dog out, she's going to take a
Speaker 1: big dump, things like that, you know, just basically bringing
Speaker 1: a little joy to normal, everyday activities. Yeah, why not, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's what it's what you gotta, you gotta, you gotta find,
Speaker 1: you gotta find the jingle, is what I see. Do
Speaker 1: you sing jingles to remind yourself of things? Not so much. No,
Speaker 1: I sing jingles just to kind of narrate what I'm
Speaker 1: currently doing. Okay, So yeah, no purpose, nothing, just just
Speaker 1: getting the energy out. Yeah, exactly, that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've definitely spent more time talking to my cat now
Speaker 1: because who the hell else am I going to talk to? Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a whole fight over treats, but it's it's
Speaker 1: over with and we got it. We got you've settled,
Speaker 1: you've buried the beef. Yeah, I had to buy more
Speaker 1: treats for her. She just didn't like the other ones.
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. That's good. I mean you
Speaker 1: should have known to immediately capitulate. But that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: a process. Well there, the temptations are trash, their trash food,
Speaker 1: but she they're like the combos for cats or doritos,
Speaker 1: but she won't eat anything else. So welcome to Cat
Speaker 1: treat Review Corner, A new a new segment in the
Speaker 1: podcast where I bring on cat treat expert David Bell
Speaker 1: and he reviews cat treats. You should bring you should, yeah,
Speaker 1: put me in every episode and Dave, what would you
Speaker 1: say is the mouth feel of temptations? They're like cereal
Speaker 1: that wasn't. No, I wasn't. I didn't want When I
Speaker 1: was little, my dad my dad fed me cat food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I wouldn't stop eating it for like a week.
Speaker 1: Oh Dave, oh boy. Wow. Well that's that's information. That
Speaker 1: is we're learning. We're this is a learning podcast, and
Speaker 1: we're learning. We're learning about animals, were learning about each other.
Speaker 1: Sometimes learning hurts, but it is learning, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's important. So now back to learn about more rays.
Speaker 1: They are medium, too large eels with long, protruding snouts
Speaker 1: and often they have these big, old, jagged teeth. They'll
Speaker 1: leave their mouth agape and open and close it slowly,
Speaker 1: and this actually helps them pump water through their gills. So, Dave,
Speaker 1: remember earlier you were talking about like how they kind
Speaker 1: of open their mouths and close in. They had that
Speaker 1: weird expression where they just kind of it looks like
Speaker 1: they're just kind of like slowly yawning and then shutting
Speaker 1: their mouth over and over. I think there was a
Speaker 1: meme that described it as they look like they just
Speaker 1: told a joke, like and they're waiting for you to
Speaker 1: laugh at it. Yeah, it's it is. That is part
Speaker 1: of it. They are pumping water through their gills and
Speaker 1: they're telling a joke every time they do it. What
Speaker 1: what do you what do you call what do you
Speaker 1: call a dumbass? Someone? Someone with legs and arms? That's
Speaker 1: an eel joke. Yeah, it's it's eel humor. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: get it. It's eel humor. So they tend to have
Speaker 1: more mucus on their skin than other eels. That's that's fun.
Speaker 1: That's a fun thing. Sometimes the mucus is even toxic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They are predatory generally speaking, so they will eat you know,
Speaker 1: meat like other fish, and they will actually become very
Speaker 1: affectionate with you if you feed them enough fish. There
Speaker 1: was this video I watched of this diver who kept
Speaker 1: feeding this more a fish and the more A was
Speaker 1: erry shy at first. It took her like years to
Speaker 1: get this more to get used to her. But finally
Speaker 1: the more I just like would cuddle with her, get
Speaker 1: in her arms. She would like pet the more ay.
Speaker 1: And this is where I'm a downer and tell you
Speaker 1: you can't do that with wild moras. So if you're
Speaker 1: scuba diving, the rule is just look at things, but
Speaker 1: do not touch stuff. What are the consequences, Well, the
Speaker 1: consequences are first of all, you go to eel jail,
Speaker 1: you know, like where you go to like this jail
Speaker 1: and it's under the water, and like the bars are
Speaker 1: made out of like eels, you know, they like kind
Speaker 1: of stay in place, and the and you have like
Speaker 1: the jit what's what's the jail master called? I forgot
Speaker 1: jail master. Jail master is like an awarded you know,
Speaker 1: the CEO of the jail and it's an octopus that
Speaker 1: just has a bunch of night sticks and every and
Speaker 1: every tentacle and you're you know rattling the bars and
Speaker 1: the bars are like electric eels, which actually we'll talk
Speaker 1: about electric eels in just a minute. I was going
Speaker 1: to ask, so I'm glad, yeah, yeah, so yeah, you
Speaker 1: go to eel jail. But also reef habitats are very
Speaker 1: delicate and touching things can cause inadvertent destruction. And also
Speaker 1: like if wild morays get used to human attention, they
Speaker 1: may come up to boats or fishermen or you know,
Speaker 1: just like think it's safe to approach human people, and
Speaker 1: it's not always safe to do that an eel. Here's
Speaker 1: my here's my pitch. Okay. I had this revelation watching
Speaker 1: the eel videos, and I've had it with a few
Speaker 1: other things like sea lions and seals and even fish
Speaker 1: is I didn't realize you could pet them, Like it's
Speaker 1: just like I didn't know that was an option that
Speaker 1: like fish, ees and eels, and they're perfect for that,
Speaker 1: Like they like pets. Why aren't Why aren't we domesticating
Speaker 1: the ocean more? I want to pat sea lion? How
Speaker 1: do I get a Okay? Okay, so first of all,
Speaker 1: we do people do actually keep eels as pets. I
Speaker 1: don't know about the ethics of petting an eel who
Speaker 1: is a pet. I think it probably depends on the
Speaker 1: type of eel, on its personality. A lot of fish
Speaker 1: have that sort of mucas e stress coat. So if
Speaker 1: you actually touch a fish and pet it too much
Speaker 1: or pet it at all, it can distress the fish
Speaker 1: and it sheds that protective coat, and that makes it
Speaker 1: vulnerable to disease. I don't know if that's like just
Speaker 1: always the case. I've seen some people like basically pet
Speaker 1: a koi fish and it seems to enjoy it. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe like limited touching of certain fishes. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't give you a list of fish to touch,
Speaker 1: so I would say don't touch any until you like
Speaker 1: find out like the list of fish you can touch.
Speaker 1: And generally speaking, I would say any wild fish or
Speaker 1: any wild basically any why old animal, don't touch that.
Speaker 1: It's a forbidden pet, like the fish, like even the
Speaker 1: fish that damages are we can't keep doing this like
Speaker 1: more tempting doesn't meeting down and like in parking garages,
Speaker 1: giving like just a fish in a bowl and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I need? I need those dangerous pets
Speaker 1: last time? How did you get here? And it's like
Speaker 1: a bowl on a roller skate. It's like, how do
Speaker 1: you think? So I did promise we would talk about
Speaker 1: electric eels, which is an eel you would definitely not
Speaker 1: want to touch. But it's also not actually an eel.
Speaker 1: So electric eels are not eels. They are knife fish.
Speaker 1: So they look a lot like eels. They're long, you know,
Speaker 1: they have that eel appearance, but they are actually in
Speaker 1: a different type of animal group. That was see there,
Speaker 1: we got another jingle. They are freshwater fish down in
Speaker 1: Central and South America. They are very eel like, but
Speaker 1: they evolved separately and they can indeed produce electric voltage
Speaker 1: using organs made of electro sites, which are basically a
Speaker 1: bunch of tiny organic batteries that can produce electric charge.
Speaker 1: When a bunch of them are all stacked together, they
Speaker 1: can produce even more charged. So this can result in
Speaker 1: shocks of up to eight hundred and sixty volts and
Speaker 1: one amp of current, which is not deadly to a human,
Speaker 1: but it can give you a quick jolt of pain
Speaker 1: followed by numbness. Some people have likened it to a
Speaker 1: stun gun, and that's kind of how they use it.
Speaker 1: So they can use that electric voltage to stun their prey.
Speaker 1: They can also use it as a way of like, uh,
Speaker 1: sensing their environment electro reception and that. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like this multifunctional electricity. But sadly they aren't an eel,
Speaker 1: so you should we be concerned about them, because is
Speaker 1: there any other animal with electric like electro powers like
Speaker 1: platypusas can electric you know, Dave, I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I didn't say a platypus, Did I say that. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. No, But they have electroc reception, so
Speaker 1: they can sense electric signals and that's how they hunt
Speaker 1: for worms and other small squiggly things. The murky waters
Speaker 1: sharks can detect electricity. But is there any other animal
Speaker 1: that can tas you? That's a good question. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are other there are other electric fish
Speaker 1: can taste you, but I think that that is the
Speaker 1: only animal I know of. We can't electrocute you. It
Speaker 1: seems weird. And again, it can't electrocute you in the
Speaker 1: sense that it can't kill you, right, But it does
Speaker 1: seem concerning, right, Like we have all these animals, there's
Speaker 1: so many of them, and there's like only like one
Speaker 1: or two. That's like oh yeah, and this one will
Speaker 1: electricute you briefly, and it's like, what why are they
Speaker 1: doing that? And they're like, I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's got it's got power batteries, and like you just
Speaker 1: explained it and it sounded like the people have figured
Speaker 1: it out. It's just don't matter. It's weird. And if
Speaker 1: I were other animals, I'd be like, what the hell,
Speaker 1: why don't I get to electrocute? It does seem unfair.
Speaker 1: It does seem like a little bit unfair where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why doesn't every fish shoot lightning at people? Imagine how
Speaker 1: awesome the ocean would be if they were all doing it,
Speaker 1: if they were all Lord raid In from Mortal Kombat
Speaker 1: just having a blast. I guess like if you had
Speaker 1: too many, too many fish that could produce electricity, they'd
Speaker 1: all basically like electrify the water. All the fish would
Speaker 1: die and just be the sudden zap and like all
Speaker 1: the fish floating to the surface, dead at once, like
Speaker 1: a big blue whale, Like, oh that's the ocean. I want.
Speaker 1: I want an ocean that if you step in like
Speaker 1: waves are tear ifying. I want I want a world
Speaker 1: where waves like beaches and waves are seen as like
Speaker 1: like volcanoes, where it's like, now you don't go to
Speaker 1: a beach, are you crazy? What if some of that
Speaker 1: ocean water gets on you, You're gone, You're dead. Well,
Speaker 1: when we get back, I want to talk about something
Speaker 1: called the sand shark, which sounds very terrifying, and I
Speaker 1: think you'll be surprised what it is. Are you an
Speaker 1: introvert or an extrovert? Well, this question is misleading. Introversion
Speaker 1: and extroversion is not a strict binary, and most people
Speaker 1: don't fall neatly into one category. There's even a label
Speaker 1: for this. Ambiverts both exhibit introverted and extroverted qualities. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't even think you can encompass the full scope
Speaker 1: of different personalities with just these three labels introvert, extrovert
Speaker 1: or ambivert. It seems like it's a much more complex spectrum.
Speaker 1: The existence of person reality tests may give us a
Speaker 1: sense that we can fall into a specific, quantifiable category,
Speaker 1: but the truth is that personality tests lack the sophistication
Speaker 1: to capture your whole range of emotion and behavior. Psychologists
Speaker 1: often urge caution about putting too much faith in personality tests,
Speaker 1: especially outside the context of research. It may be fun
Speaker 1: to take personality tests as long as you take them
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, especially ones that place you
Speaker 1: into specific categories rather than on a continuum of behavior.
Speaker 1: That said, when we return, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: an animal who's definitely on the extreme end when it
Speaker 1: comes to that behavior continuum, and it's known as the
Speaker 1: sand shark. Imagine you're walking along some sandy desert dunes.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're in a sci fi world where you wear
Speaker 1: weird outfits and take mind altering drugs called the Ice.
Speaker 1: You know, basically you're at burning Man. Well, you suddenly
Speaker 1: feel the sand shift beneath your feet. A sinkhole opens up,
Speaker 1: sucking you in with surprising speed. But that's just the
Speaker 1: start of your problems. As the sand drains below you,
Speaker 1: you see rows of sharp, hungry teeth and an eyeless
Speaker 1: horror writhing beneath you. So, Dave, when you think, and
Speaker 1: this is I guess it's a leading question, but I'm
Speaker 1: expecting you to probably answer something differently than I want
Speaker 1: you to, because you know that's that's how it goes
Speaker 1: in these in these podcasts. But what do you think
Speaker 1: like when you think of a reclusive animal, like a
Speaker 1: crazed reclusive mammal, what do you think of I think
Speaker 1: of living in like a cabin in the woods, maybe
Speaker 1: working on a novel, and like maybe the kids are
Speaker 1: scared of them, but like then it turns out or
Speaker 1: he or she turns out to be you know, really
Speaker 1: nice in the end, right or like yeah, or like
Speaker 1: owns a scary dog and the kids get their baseball
Speaker 1: stuck in their yard and they have to create a
Speaker 1: bunch of contraptions to get that ball out. Well, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about something called the sand shark, which
Speaker 1: is sort of the opposite of that. Well, it's a
Speaker 1: bit of a roller coaster because at first you're like,
Speaker 1: sand shark. That sounds really scary. I mean I think
Speaker 1: there's a horror movie called sand shares. Yeah, yeah, probably
Speaker 1: sand sharks. Sandworms. Basically you put sand and then a
Speaker 1: scary enough sounding animal after it, like sand tigers, sand lions,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just burwing around. Well, there is a mammal
Speaker 1: known as the golden mole, which is a family of
Speaker 1: facorial mammals, which means that they live mostly underground or
Speaker 1: spend a lot of their time underground. And they look
Speaker 1: like a little it's kind of pokemon like. It looks
Speaker 1: like a gold like a golden colored mole, like a
Speaker 1: blondie version of a mole, you know, like a blondie
Speaker 1: brownie where you're like, this looks brownie shaped, but it's
Speaker 1: blond you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, those those little
Speaker 1: those weird lie the live paste yeah cookie things. Right exactly.
Speaker 1: If you look in the doc, you can see a
Speaker 1: picture of this little guy. Let me check this out.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it looks like a shoe, looks like it
Speaker 1: kind of looks like it just like looks like a
Speaker 1: furry little ball with a nose and little toes sticking out.
Speaker 1: So here's here's the roller coaster ride, which is like
Speaker 1: you hear sand shark, you think, oh scary, you know,
Speaker 1: big teeth gonna eat me. Then you look at this
Speaker 1: little guy and it's like, oh, that's so cute. It's
Speaker 1: just a little it's a little a little furry couchh
Speaker 1: ball with a nose and feet, right, and then but
Speaker 1: then when you learn about this it becomes terrifying again.
Speaker 1: At least if you're like a termite. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's like if you if you had a co worker
Speaker 1: whose nickname was like killer Steve and he was like
Speaker 1: a little guy and you're like, what did he do?
Speaker 1: Like you know there's something We're like, why did you
Speaker 1: get that name? Right? Exactly? It's on accountable. The people
Speaker 1: like yield see me. So yeah, they are. Often they
Speaker 1: have this like golden almost like iridescent fur, but some
Speaker 1: species are brown or slate gray, which must suck to
Speaker 1: be called the golden mole. It's like, well, why aren't
Speaker 1: you golden? And it's like, well, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: ask ask my god, Ask the god mole why they
Speaker 1: didn't give me golden fur. Ask the widow who named
Speaker 1: the not eels electric eels like we were, we're maniacs
Speaker 1: when it comes to naming these things. Do you want
Speaker 1: to hear even more how much of a maniac we
Speaker 1: are when we come to naming animals? Dave, because it
Speaker 1: makes no sense. Golden moles are not moles or is
Speaker 1: the system that whoever sees it first gets to name
Speaker 1: it and there's no takesise Macsies like people are just
Speaker 1: like looks like a mole. Case close, they look very
Speaker 1: much like a mole. They have the mole like shape.
Speaker 1: They have the diggy claws, the little nose. They are
Speaker 1: also blind, so they have no eyes. Actually they do
Speaker 1: have eyes, but they are completely covered in fur and
Speaker 1: skin and they are totally nonfunctional. So they look like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are those the triples in star Treks. They just
Speaker 1: they don't have like they do have a nose and claws,
Speaker 1: but they have like no eyes and they look basically
Speaker 1: they look almost exactly like a mole, but they're not
Speaker 1: a mole. So they are in the order Afrosaurrikita, which
Speaker 1: also contains ten ricks, which is something we talked about
Speaker 1: on the Pokemon episode called Creature Moan, and which also
Speaker 1: contains otter shrews, which are neither otters nor shrews. So
Speaker 1: again the naming of these animals guys. Okay, So again recap,
Speaker 1: quick recap. Golden mole not a mole. It's in this
Speaker 1: group called afrosaurro Kita, which contains ten ric and otter shrews,
Speaker 1: which are not otters and they are not shrews. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the golden mole also looks almost identical to Australia's
Speaker 1: marsupial mole, which is not a mole. Again, so the
Speaker 1: Australia's marsupial mole is not a mole. It is a
Speaker 1: It is a mo Okay, let me start over. The
Speaker 1: golden mole looks like a blonde mole, but it's not
Speaker 1: a mole. The golden mole looks very similar to the
Speaker 1: marsupial mole, which is also not a mole. It is
Speaker 1: a marsupial even though it looks like a mole, but
Speaker 1: it's not related to the golden mole, which again is
Speaker 1: not a mole. Does that it seems like what we're
Speaker 1: doing is we're just we're we Where we crossed the
Speaker 1: line as as as a species is when we started
Speaker 1: describing animals by using the names of other animals. Because
Speaker 1: it's like, I get it. If something's like blue, you
Speaker 1: call it blue whatever. And and like like you see
Speaker 1: something that looks like a mole, You're like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like a mole like thing. You get it. It's a
Speaker 1: sort of mole. But then it makes it confusing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well when people discovered these, they just thought it was
Speaker 1: a mole probably and they didn't really you know, question
Speaker 1: it's like, oh that that there's I've seen those before.
Speaker 1: That's a mole And they didn't think about this idea,
Speaker 1: like the idea of convergent evolution, where you have two
Speaker 1: animals who evolve independently to look almost identical. I think
Speaker 1: is hard to grasp for your you know, eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: guy going out and like, hmm, yes, Watson, I've found
Speaker 1: a golden mole. I've tried to eat it, but there's
Speaker 1: not much meat on those bones. I'm surprised they didn't
Speaker 1: describe everything is like some because like I get it,
Speaker 1: like everything's kind of a mole, like my cats, kind
Speaker 1: of a mole. It's small, it's furry, it's aggressive. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they're all it's almost you've seen those long
Speaker 1: sea moles. Yeah, I want to call them a tube
Speaker 1: mole to water tube mole. So golden moles of Southern
Speaker 1: Africa again not moles. They are introverts in the sense
Speaker 1: that they basically spend all their time burrowing underground to
Speaker 1: eat insects. So without eyesight, they appear to use their
Speaker 1: feet and their heads to since vibrations of predators and
Speaker 1: prey and he I don't know, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: throw this fact out. They have a kloaka like birds
Speaker 1: and reptiles. Just just one hole that does it all.
Speaker 1: They're a real, real streamlined animal, no eyes, just one hole.
Speaker 1: They're really minimum. They do have a mouth, they do
Speaker 1: have nostrils, but they're minimizing the amount of holes in
Speaker 1: the body. See, we just need a tube and just
Speaker 1: one hole. That's all we need, and that's all we
Speaker 1: need to be. We just need to be a tube.
Speaker 1: You guys learn from the eels and the golden moles
Speaker 1: try to live that tube life to life, and they
Speaker 1: also go into torpor when resting to conserve energy. So
Speaker 1: torpor is sort of like a mini hibernation where you
Speaker 1: slow down your bodily functions, so it's like a mega
Speaker 1: serious nap, but you can wake up out of it
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. So with hibernation it's much more serious, it
Speaker 1: lasts longer, it's harder to wake up. Torpor, you can
Speaker 1: kind of it's easier to wake up from. It's just
Speaker 1: like an extremely serious nap. Or your heart rate and
Speaker 1: breathing slow down dramatically. And they have highly efficient kidneys
Speaker 1: and they don't really have to drink water, so they
Speaker 1: can get most of their moisture from prey. So they
Speaker 1: are just the most efficient little fuzzy donuts. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: got it all figured out. How do how do we
Speaker 1: how do we pretend like where the dominant species when
Speaker 1: these littles are running around? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we say we're the most dominant, but are
Speaker 1: we the most efficient? Yeah, we're not. We're definitely not
Speaker 1: the best species. Like we don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: these moles are up to. Also, like they could be
Speaker 1: running at all, I don't know. Well, they do spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time underground. Do we spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time underground? No, So we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: doing down there. We don't know what they're scheming their
Speaker 1: little mole with their little mole plans. So there's a
Speaker 1: species of golden mole that spend all their time in
Speaker 1: sand dunes and they basically swim around under the sand
Speaker 1: and sneak up but sneak up on prey by burrowing
Speaker 1: under them and devouring them from below, like one of
Speaker 1: those worm from Tremors or the sandworms from Dune. You
Speaker 1: can actually see them swimming under the sand like remember
Speaker 1: in Looney Tunes, like when bugs Bunny would burrow under
Speaker 1: the dot and you'd see like a mound of dirt
Speaker 1: moving around. It looks like that, but in sand, and
Speaker 1: they are able to sense the vibration of insects walking
Speaker 1: on the sand above and they will just like get
Speaker 1: right under the insect and eat it up, like imagine.
Speaker 1: That's literally the graboids and tremors. They feel vibrations, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, and that's why that's why they are also
Speaker 1: called a dune shark. I don't know why they aren't
Speaker 1: called the graboid dune graboids, but you know they don't
Speaker 1: so so they just like imagine being like a little
Speaker 1: termite or they will occasionally even eat small reptiles, but
Speaker 1: termites make up most of their diet. And you're just like,
Speaker 1: you know, walking on the sand. You don't see anything,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're staying vigilant, and then like a
Speaker 1: sink whole swallows you up, and then a mole that
Speaker 1: caused the sinkhole swallows you up again with its teeth.
Speaker 1: It's just horrifying. Yeah that is that's that's horror movie stuff.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, yeah, but adorable, adorable with an animal
Speaker 1: that's so droopy it can't use its eyes. It's like
Speaker 1: you're too squishy for sight, but they eat you from
Speaker 1: below exactly. So these dune sharks, the golden moles that
Speaker 1: live on the dunes don't tend to live in permanent
Speaker 1: burrows like other species of golden mole. They will just
Speaker 1: kind of like hang out in the sand. They will
Speaker 1: live sort of in uh in the nighttime. They like
Speaker 1: burrow into little like caves under plants, and they will
Speaker 1: stick their whole head in the sand and listen for
Speaker 1: vibrations and burrow under and bugs, bunny their way over
Speaker 1: to a group of insects or small reptiles and just
Speaker 1: just eat them. Just chow down on those poor little suckers.
Speaker 1: They're doing a great job. I really I feel very like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, jealous. I guess like they just seem
Speaker 1: to have it all, everything perfectly figured out. You want
Speaker 1: to live that sandy donut life, ye just I mean
Speaker 1: it does sound kind of luxurious in a way. You
Speaker 1: just kind of like and they like have this like
Speaker 1: shimmering golden fur and you see them just easily dive
Speaker 1: under the sand and they pop out and all the
Speaker 1: sand just like rolls off their back. It's I think
Speaker 1: it's that burrowing animals always seem like they're living under
Speaker 1: their blankets. Yeah, yeah, I know. Do you ever like
Speaker 1: I have those mornings where I basically just like rip
Speaker 1: off all the blankets from the bed and as I
Speaker 1: move because it's like I don't want to leave bed
Speaker 1: that I have to for some reason. So as a compromise,
Speaker 1: I bring most of the bed with me. Yes, And
Speaker 1: then when you plant somewhere, you just sort of plant
Speaker 1: down in a sleepy position, right, and you just kind
Speaker 1: of like burrito it up right, you go, you you
Speaker 1: start the coffee maker, then you just lie straight down
Speaker 1: on the kitchen floor. You're living the Golden Mole lifestyle.
Speaker 1: I'm actually named after. Is gonna say you're living the
Speaker 1: golden lifestyle. Your your family name is the family name
Speaker 1: is named after the Golden Mole, even though it's spelled differently.
Speaker 1: For copyright issues, we had to change the spelling. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we are named after the Golden mole. Sure do you
Speaker 1: have Do you have the same problem as me? Is
Speaker 1: you know when people like look up what does your
Speaker 1: name mean? Uh, and it's like, oh, it means it
Speaker 1: means peacefulness, or it means this. I looked up my
Speaker 1: last name and it was just like it's like an instrument. Man, Okay, fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting. Is it kind
Speaker 1: of the same with like it's golden golden? Like yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't really know like what I have. I
Speaker 1: actually don't really know because it's g O L D
Speaker 1: E N Surprise Prize and it is a Jewish name.
Speaker 1: It is a Russian Jewish name, I think, originating somewhere
Speaker 1: near the Ukraine. And I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: Maybe it used to be like maybe it was like
Speaker 1: Goldsmith at one point, or you know, Schmidt or something,
Speaker 1: and like, but then it just got shortened to like yeah,
Speaker 1: just golden. We're just golden, you know. I hope it.
Speaker 1: I hope it goes all the way back to Dune Shark,
Speaker 1: Like you just due shark. We were golden mole shepherds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: also dune Shark. I just realized, is like that's like
Speaker 1: someone's mad Max name. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's got tubes
Speaker 1: coming out of his eyeballs or something. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got tubes coming out every which way. It's these are
Speaker 1: very mad Max mammals, so and so efficient. Admire their efficiency.
Speaker 1: They got it all. Figure it out. I don't remize
Speaker 1: the whole, minimize the holes. And that's probably good because
Speaker 1: they're spending so much time underground. Like you're minimizing the
Speaker 1: amount of like holes that like sand can get into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't get in your eyes. You don't need them.
Speaker 1: You don't need your eyes because you're like like an
Speaker 1: earth bender listening to vibrations in the ground and like
Speaker 1: you you only need one hole really like downstairs and
Speaker 1: the downstairs plumbing. Only one hole means less sands gets
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, just really really sleek redesign of a
Speaker 1: mammalian body that I enjoy. Good good on them, Good
Speaker 1: job moles. Golden moles use their superhering to their advantage,
Speaker 1: But for humans who are more introverted, noise can be
Speaker 1: a problem. A study published in the Journal of Environmental
Speaker 1: Psychology by below Zebek at All found that a noisy
Speaker 1: environment can affect performances on mental arithmetic tasks, but it
Speaker 1: depends on whether you're more introverted or more extroverted. Participants
Speaker 1: responded to a questionnaire that estimated their leanings towards extroversion
Speaker 1: or introversion. Those that were more extroverted were able to
Speaker 1: complete the arithmetic tasks faster in noisy environments compared to
Speaker 1: quiet conditions. Conversely, more introverted people struggled with concentration and
Speaker 1: felt fatigue during noisy conditions compared to quiet conditions. The
Speaker 1: study does not reveal causation, that is, whether introversion or
Speaker 1: extroversion causes the difference in mental processing, or if introverted
Speaker 1: and extroverted lifestyles change the way your brains work in
Speaker 1: different environments. Either way, it does show that if you're
Speaker 1: more introverted and you have trouble concentrating in noisy environments,
Speaker 1: you're not alone. When we return, we'll talk about an
Speaker 1: animal that fairly makes the sound, but whose bark is
Speaker 1: worse than its bite, well in most cases. So, Dave,
Speaker 1: this may be an odd question for you, given how
Speaker 1: much you are a party animal, loved party, But have
Speaker 1: you ever been to a party or social gathering? Like
Speaker 1: you know in the before times you should be doing
Speaker 1: zero party you now, but when you wished you could
Speaker 1: just kind of flatten up against the wall and like
Speaker 1: just like lend into the wallpaper or sort of lay
Speaker 1: on the ground and pretend to be a rug and
Speaker 1: just kind of like flatten flatten on the ground and
Speaker 1: like still listen to people's conversations, but nobody notices you're there.
Speaker 1: You just you just turn like T one thousand, you
Speaker 1: just turn to the wall. I mean, I know, I'm
Speaker 1: I love I love parties. Everybody look at me. Started
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew center center of attention, best party boy. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I would do the equivalent of, you know,
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom and figuring out how how many
Speaker 1: times I could go to the bathroom where it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like I had like diarrhea. Yeah, it's a delicate balance.
Speaker 1: That was my sanctuary in in high school and college,
Speaker 1: just like I got to go to the bathroom and
Speaker 1: you know, like oops, like what's on my cell phone?
Speaker 1: Oh that I got a text and that means I
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom now. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: phone really helps. Yeah, phone helps. Pets. Pets help, Like
Speaker 1: you just absorbed Like someone has a dog. You just
Speaker 1: absorbed the dog into your being. So it's like me
Speaker 1: and this dog, we've got important matters to discuss. You
Speaker 1: ever have it, though, I've had this happen where you
Speaker 1: do where the pets you you gravitate to the pet,
Speaker 1: and the pet even is like like I have other
Speaker 1: people to pet rejects you. It's like you're you're great,
Speaker 1: but it's been a it's been an hour, so I
Speaker 1: do ye oh absolutely, I've like I've like clung to
Speaker 1: a pet and a pet. It's it's just like you know,
Speaker 1: like okay, it's like it was nice to meet you,
Speaker 1: but like you not be so clingy. You're like really
Speaker 1: cramping my style. Yeah it's and it's a pug and
Speaker 1: it's just no, please, please don't leave me. Well, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about an animal that has perfected the
Speaker 1: Wallflower method by basically just doing exactly what I described.
Speaker 1: And this is the wraparound spider. So, Dave, there is
Speaker 1: a picture. Do you are you? Oh? That's good. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I find them cute too. I have Okay, this is
Speaker 1: my my spider history is my best friend going up
Speaker 1: had a tarantula and so when I would sleep over,
Speaker 1: my face would be aligned with the terrarium, so I
Speaker 1: would wake up to like this tarantula just staring at me. Uh.
Speaker 1: And So what that did was it gave me like
Speaker 1: a little bit of nostalgia for them. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's like what the that aquarium is doing to the
Speaker 1: eels where its habituating the eels to the human faces.
Speaker 1: In this scenario, you were the eel and the tarantula
Speaker 1: face was the human face, and it habituated you to
Speaker 1: the tarantula face the eel all time. Another another thing
Speaker 1: that UM like I got I found little or spiders
Speaker 1: a little creepy like I like them when they're fluffy, Yes, spiders.
Speaker 1: Another thing that made me like spiders more is my
Speaker 1: cat because she's like a big old tarantula. She's got
Speaker 1: she scuttles, she's got like you know, they got dead
Speaker 1: eyes insector uh and so out of acted energy for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like that actually has made me more like
Speaker 1: like spiders more because I was gonna scuttle, but not
Speaker 1: any treat. The specific treat, Well, this one is I've
Speaker 1: seen people describe this as horrifying. To me, it's really
Speaker 1: cute just because it's such a shy little little It's
Speaker 1: just so shy. They just want to be just so. Basically,
Speaker 1: this shy Australian cutie likes to flatten itself and wrap
Speaker 1: around a tree branch, which is a form of crips
Speaker 1: is to make it look like a bit of bark
Speaker 1: or lichen and blend seamlessly into the branch due to
Speaker 1: a modeled leopard like coloration, So it's kind of it's brown,
Speaker 1: sort of modeled. It looks a little bit like a
Speaker 1: piece of bark, but it doesn't just sit on the branch.
Speaker 1: It wraps around it like you know, like a slap bracelet.
Speaker 1: It's like a slap bracelet, but made out of a spider.
Speaker 1: It's just like or a cute one. Sorry not to
Speaker 1: not to keep going on the cuteness of spiders, but
Speaker 1: I think part of what makes them cute is that
Speaker 1: they're kind of horrifying. Yes, yeah, exactly. I had a
Speaker 1: friend described them perfectly as their lives are a combination
Speaker 1: of mortal terror and insatiable blood lust. Right, That's that's
Speaker 1: their two modes. Is like they're like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to die and I just want some blood. There's this
Speaker 1: video of a spider getting spooked, like getting startled, and
Speaker 1: you know it's it starts out, you know, that's got
Speaker 1: these big slender legs and it's crawling towards you and
Speaker 1: it's got that spooky spider energy and then someone startled
Speaker 1: it and it just does a thing that you know,
Speaker 1: like most creatures do when they're startled, where it kind
Speaker 1: of jumps and then just like starts to flail away
Speaker 1: in a panic, all its legs operating and just a
Speaker 1: panic just flailing. It's like and it's so awkward, you know,
Speaker 1: like skittting across the floor, stumbling and tripping a bit. Right,
Speaker 1: they're horrifying. I'm sorry, yeah, because they they're horrifying to
Speaker 1: little insects that they eat, but like to a human
Speaker 1: like they they'll look up to you, like mid digesting
Speaker 1: a fly and look like, oh, oh, oh god, this
Speaker 1: is awkward. Oh jeez uh little monsters. They also seem
Speaker 1: to know exactly, they know exactly how to bother us,
Speaker 1: how to freak this out. Like I remember was driving
Speaker 1: once and a spider just started dangling down from the
Speaker 1: ceiling in front of my eyes, and it's like this
Speaker 1: spider could kill me, right, but it's all unintentional, right,
Speaker 1: just just hanging on a thread. And then it kind
Speaker 1: of slowly turns around and tell its face to face
Speaker 1: with you, and you can imagine it just doing a
Speaker 1: tiny gulp, just like it's like it's like being dressed
Speaker 1: like a werewolf in public and you keep scaring children,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to scare children, but you're not
Speaker 1: going to take out. You can't take off the werewolf
Speaker 1: cost him. I'm so sorry. I have so many leg
Speaker 1: come for us. It's me too. I can't change who
Speaker 1: I am. So the wraparound spider tries to be as
Speaker 1: obsequious as possible by wrapping around a tree branch. Its
Speaker 1: body is flat and disc shaped and its belly is convex,
Speaker 1: so it can Actually it's like perfectly molded to wrap
Speaker 1: around a tree branch like a glove, a glove made
Speaker 1: out of spider, and it is fuzzy. So it's like
Speaker 1: I find these cute, but I will admit, like if
Speaker 1: I was walking around in Australia and I rested my
Speaker 1: hand on a branch and I I was like, huh, this
Speaker 1: is fuzzy, and then I look over and it's just
Speaker 1: this little spider going like hello, I would fall on panic,
Speaker 1: I'd be done, would kill me. Yeah, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: it's the surprise factor. Yeah, Like part of me is
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to wrap one to wrap
Speaker 1: around my finger, my arm. I think that would be
Speaker 1: like a hug, like a warm, fuzzy hug. But if
Speaker 1: I were to, yeah, I put my hand on a
Speaker 1: branch in this hap it's coming, Yeah exactly. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good rule for any hug. I
Speaker 1: would say, you gotta know it's timing and like be
Speaker 1: accepting of it. So it is not actually doing this
Speaker 1: to startle us and to like just like you know,
Speaker 1: give us a good spook. It is doing this to
Speaker 1: protect itself from predators. So this is their daily routine.
Speaker 1: Every night they construct a simple web to catch prey,
Speaker 1: and they tear it down every morning so that they
Speaker 1: leave no trace and they can hide against the tree
Speaker 1: and remain safe from predators. And so yeah, they're just
Speaker 1: really terminally shy they know, I mean, they're yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. They're like, look, I'm not really living life
Speaker 1: this way, but I'm living, right. I am alive? Am
Speaker 1: I living? No? I am alive? Though. Yeah, It's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like again, it's like an apocalypse. It's like
Speaker 1: the road where it's like keep moving, have a small camp,
Speaker 1: don't draw any attention to itself, right exactly. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like I imagine just like them getting really nervous
Speaker 1: and starting to sweat. They don't sweat really, but like
Speaker 1: if there's a bird or another predator nearby, they're just
Speaker 1: like on the branch kind of like silently sweating, going
Speaker 1: like I'm a branch. I'm a branch on my branch,
Speaker 1: a branch on my branch, right, just some bird feet
Speaker 1: like right near them, like consolutely, Yeah, just a normal branch,
Speaker 1: just doing normal branch stuff, normal branch. They should have
Speaker 1: done what other spiders and you said this Australia, right,
Speaker 1: and just get big enough to kill the birds. That
Speaker 1: seems like a technique. Just shoot lightning. Why don't all
Speaker 1: animals shoot lightning? Lightning? Man. So one other reason to
Speaker 1: love these spiders is there not a threat to humans.
Speaker 1: They do have a mild venom, and but that's really
Speaker 1: just for their prey. They that venom is not typically
Speaker 1: dangerous to humans who aren't allergic, which again like don't
Speaker 1: just go poke in a spider because you don't know
Speaker 1: if you're going to be allergic have a bad reaction.
Speaker 1: And also leave the spider alone. Yeah, just leave it alone.
Speaker 1: Come on, they're shy there, They're poor little shy guys
Speaker 1: and gals. Yeah, I feel like we would be less
Speaker 1: afraid of spiders if we viewed them as extremely awkward,
Speaker 1: shy little nerds just trying to trying to blend in,
Speaker 1: and they will go to great lengths to not be
Speaker 1: noticed by you, and like seriously serious length. So I
Speaker 1: want to talk about fryin Arachne de scipiens, which is
Speaker 1: also known as the bird dropping spider. So there are
Speaker 1: a few types of spiders and other insects that will
Speaker 1: actually try to look like bird droppings, but this one
Speaker 1: really takes it to an other level. I think this
Speaker 1: is the best bird dropping mimic I've ever seen. So
Speaker 1: this spider is a very shy little crab spider from
Speaker 1: Malaysia who wants to is so desperate to go unnoticed
Speaker 1: by predators that it mimics a pile of pooh, which
Speaker 1: is also what I do when I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you don't. It's like especially now, like when
Speaker 1: I'm trying to socially distant, so like as like if
Speaker 1: I look like a piece of bird poop, like you know,
Speaker 1: or just like yeah, you get your you get your
Speaker 1: blankets that you're having with you all day and you
Speaker 1: wrap up like a like a piece of poop and
Speaker 1: they're also covered in bird poop because of all the
Speaker 1: birds I've been liting liting inside. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: go outside, come inside, share the space with me, poop
Speaker 1: on my blankets. Yeah, So these bird dropping spiders are
Speaker 1: like the Daniel day Lewis of bird poop. They have
Speaker 1: the role of the lifetime, the only work every like
Speaker 1: five years. It is literally life or death. So this
Speaker 1: is the role of a lifetime pretending to be bird poops.
Speaker 1: So the spider's belly is chalky white with a kind
Speaker 1: of light shine on it. It's got these black legs
Speaker 1: with some splotches of white. Take a look at that
Speaker 1: photo of this thing. Is the poop around it part
Speaker 1: of the spider? M m. That's an interesting question one
Speaker 1: I will answer. Um. You know what I appreciate about
Speaker 1: the spider he or she they they they're not disguising
Speaker 1: themselves as something we're gonna want to touch, right, So
Speaker 1: it's a good like. They're not you know, they're not
Speaker 1: the gummy bear spider or anything like that. They're not
Speaker 1: the dollar bill spider. Yeah, God, I want one of those.
Speaker 1: It's like a bizarre coincidence. They just look like our currency,
Speaker 1: and every time you see a dollar bill in the ground.
Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself, is this spider I'm not
Speaker 1: going to touch you isn't going to fight me and
Speaker 1: scuttle away? So you do have to be careful around
Speaker 1: bird poop in Malaysia because it could be a spider. So,
Speaker 1: you know, as tempting as it is to touch the
Speaker 1: bird poop, could be a spider. So it maybe that's
Speaker 1: why we stopped touching bird poop. You know, makes you think, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, everybody loves bird poop. So it will
Speaker 1: lay on its belly and curl in its legs to
Speaker 1: physically mimic a piece of dripping, splattered bird poop. So,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, it looks impossible because it also
Speaker 1: looks like the ground below it is splattered bird poop.
Speaker 1: And any bird poop actor knows that staging and atmosphere
Speaker 1: are the most important parts of embracing your character as
Speaker 1: being bird poop. So so it weaves a flat white
Speaker 1: bed of sticky web that it anchors itself too, So
Speaker 1: it's not just to look like bird poop, although it doesn't,
Speaker 1: it gives us really nice stage of you know how
Speaker 1: like if if there's a piece of bird poop, it
Speaker 1: kind of splatters. There's like a flat part of white,
Speaker 1: dry crusty bird poop, and then a sort of like
Speaker 1: moister bulb of duty. This is like the spider is
Speaker 1: made this effect. So it's web is this flat white
Speaker 1: it looks like dried bird poop. And then the spider
Speaker 1: itself looks like that, like little chunk of extra bird
Speaker 1: poop on top with you know, and the black legs
Speaker 1: modeled with the white. It is stunning how detailed its
Speaker 1: coloration is to look like splattered bird bird duty. I
Speaker 1: have a question about this spider and the last one.
Speaker 1: How do they know to do this? I mean they
Speaker 1: they don't. So they're spiders, right, They don't have the
Speaker 1: biggest brains. They don't really know that they're doing this.
Speaker 1: They're not like even though I like joke about it,
Speaker 1: they are not like, all right, today's another day to
Speaker 1: pretend to be a piece of point. They aren't. They
Speaker 1: aren't a group of spiders of the same species. Who
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I have an idea. You see those
Speaker 1: bird poop, But like I this is probably a dumb
Speaker 1: question because it applies to just animal behavior in general.
Speaker 1: But like, has it seen bird poop? And it knows
Speaker 1: to do that. How does what is in its d
Speaker 1: n A that knows I need to look like bird poop.
Speaker 1: It's a very good question, actually, and I think it's
Speaker 1: an important one to answer, because when you look at
Speaker 1: these animals, you're like, Okay, there's no way that God
Speaker 1: isn't just a giant like spider or a giant bird.
Speaker 1: And who's like, and you look like poop? Because it's funny.
Speaker 1: But so how this happens? And it's not that it's
Speaker 1: not planned by the spiders. So think of the spider
Speaker 1: as like a really sophisticated a computer program or a
Speaker 1: little robot. And whenever there is a mutation, it's often
Speaker 1: mutations are bad, so they don't really do anything either
Speaker 1: bad or neutral. But occasionally there will be a mutation
Speaker 1: that increases an organism's chance of survival. And it's this
Speaker 1: only makes sense when you realize how long millions of
Speaker 1: years is, Like, millions of years is a really long time.
Speaker 1: It's it's just a massive amount of time, especially for
Speaker 1: an animal like a spider that reproduces so quickly, has
Speaker 1: a relatively short lifespan and reproduces so you'll have many,
Speaker 1: many generations even within a year and then multiply that
Speaker 1: by by millions and millions of years, and so you'll
Speaker 1: get basically you have this computer program. It's not non actual.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying spiders are drones. I'm not starting a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. But you you have this like organic program running,
Speaker 1: which is that if it passes on it's d N A,
Speaker 1: then that DNA is like the next generation of DNA,
Speaker 1: So like uh, any anything that prevents it from getting
Speaker 1: eaten is passed on to the next generation. So you
Speaker 1: could have a slight alteration like maybe you know and
Speaker 1: and there can be like weird twists and turns to
Speaker 1: action as well, like the webbing could have been to
Speaker 1: trap little insects or to steady itself on a leaf
Speaker 1: and then but it looked kind of like bird poops,
Speaker 1: so predators avoided it because there are once you have
Speaker 1: like you do, like have visual systems that can recognize like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the shape of bird poop. So if you're
Speaker 1: a if you're a bird or another predator or a
Speaker 1: jumping spider which is one of their predators, and it
Speaker 1: looks it's looking for a specific pattern that to it
Speaker 1: reads food. Whereas bird poop is like, that's bird poop.
Speaker 1: You know that's not good. But so it's so so
Speaker 1: millions of years of these changes and then okay, and
Speaker 1: then it has a mutation where it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: belly is white. Wow, Okay, that one actually survives more
Speaker 1: because it looks even more like bird poop, and then
Speaker 1: also changes in its its brain and its instincts where
Speaker 1: it does certain things that make it survive better. So again,
Speaker 1: like it's basically a computer that is able to self
Speaker 1: replicate over millions of years and change its own programming,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's gonna turn into bird poop, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right, that does make sense. It's it's a
Speaker 1: bizarre path that these specific spiders happened to take where
Speaker 1: they were in the right area where it was like yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm getting it where it's like it's evolution. This
Speaker 1: spider that just happened to look this way by pure coincidence,
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that it was doing this, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just look less edible and the more. And then
Speaker 1: like that the one that survived, and then it kept
Speaker 1: going like we could be that we could look exactly
Speaker 1: like the poop of aliens and we don't even know,
Speaker 1: we have no idea. I think that is what is
Speaker 1: confusing when we think about evolution, because humans can and
Speaker 1: some animals potentially can make conscious survival decisions like yeah
Speaker 1: we do, like why do we have hair? It's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's like, well, because because it
Speaker 1: looks cool and it's fond to feather, right, But after
Speaker 1: like all this time, it's just that's like the way
Speaker 1: you'd ask the spire like why do you look like that?
Speaker 1: They're like I don't know, Yeah, like I didn't decide
Speaker 1: to look this way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, so
Speaker 1: it is yeah, it's I mean, like when you think
Speaker 1: about it, it is crazy how much complexity you get
Speaker 1: through evolution. So it also emits a stinky odor that
Speaker 1: smells like bird droppings, which doesn't just you know, seal
Speaker 1: the deal and really sell its method acting. But it
Speaker 1: also attracts small insects, like it's prey that are super
Speaker 1: into bird poop, which works out really well for the
Speaker 1: bird dropping spider because it's like all the things that
Speaker 1: doesn't want to notice it, like are not into eating
Speaker 1: bird poop, but little insects that like it. Would be
Speaker 1: into coming over and checking it out, like are into
Speaker 1: bird poop, so it comes over. It's it's the perfect,
Speaker 1: perfect disguise, right, much like the money spider, I want
Speaker 1: to exist. We should always be thankful that our food
Speaker 1: doesn't like that that it's not like, okay, um, this
Speaker 1: burger king is good, don't go to this one because
Speaker 1: it's actually a giant spider. Like I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that are like restaurants and stuff don't trick us. Well
Speaker 1: they do, but you know what I mean, they don't
Speaker 1: there there's not like monsters pretendings, right, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of, Like, so if I'm trying to make friends,
Speaker 1: like what would I dress up as to lure in
Speaker 1: the pool that I want to get to know while
Speaker 1: turning off everyone that I wouldn't want to get to know.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's by wearing a face mask outside because
Speaker 1: it's like all the responsible good people are like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's great, I love that you're wearing a face mask,
Speaker 1: and all the terrible people think I'm being weird. Right,
Speaker 1: I think the face mask is it until it's until
Speaker 1: it suddenly until like you know, in like I don't know,
Speaker 1: five years from now, when it's hopefully not a problem anymore,
Speaker 1: hopefully like then, it would be weird to wear a
Speaker 1: face mask. But it's gonna be hard, though I think
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be good. Like I'm not saying I
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen. I do, but it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be weird. Like you're gonna feel untethered. It's gonna
Speaker 1: feel yeah, naked. I'll feel naked. You'll talk to me
Speaker 1: in my face and I'll feel naked, like we're having
Speaker 1: some kind of weird interaction. Like I feel like, do
Speaker 1: I need to put underpants on my face? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. That would also guarantee that only the
Speaker 1: cool people would go up, Yeah, exactly. Putting underpants on
Speaker 1: your face is sort of the bird dropping spider method. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, as someone who was a punk
Speaker 1: for very long, that is kind of the purpose of
Speaker 1: looking like a punk. Like the mohawk stuff. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I had, Oh my god, a mohawk for the better
Speaker 1: part of my most of my god, how did I not?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I lived with a punk band. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I I went to punk like I went
Speaker 1: to London and did like punk festival there. I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of punk stuff. Yeah the hell, how did
Speaker 1: I know? Are you? You're not? Like this isn't a joke.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting My favorite bands are like British seventies punk.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like like Coxspar and I'm dizzy right
Speaker 1: now learning this about you. Yeah, I still listen to punk,
Speaker 1: but like I used to dress like a punk. I'll
Speaker 1: send you some pictures that, um credible, But that's sort
Speaker 1: of part. There's a lot of reasons for the punk aesthetic,
Speaker 1: but one of them was always like almost just so
Speaker 1: punks can identify each other. Because like when you're walking
Speaker 1: around like in public, like during when you know there's
Speaker 1: like punk shows in the area punk festival, you see
Speaker 1: the mohawks, you see you see, You're like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you and then you like and then you
Speaker 1: call out oi oi oi boi, and then like have
Speaker 1: your your mohawk go up like a cockatoo exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: But you're scared. I guess how I dressed in high
Speaker 1: school and in my twenties. No, no, you have to guess. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I know you're into metal, right, so I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: like you you're like ripped jeans, maybe like a Mega
Speaker 1: Death or like a Helloween T shirt. Uh, like real
Speaker 1: eighties style. Yeah, Sadly no, I dressed like a total dorc,
Speaker 1: I know, just like war basically jeans and sweaters most
Speaker 1: of the time. And then in college I had this
Speaker 1: brief period of time where I look, I don't know
Speaker 1: why I did this, but I wanted to dress sort
Speaker 1: of like a glam hair metal so I would wear
Speaker 1: like I wore, like skirts over jeans. Didn't it didn't
Speaker 1: really make a whole lot of sense, you know, I
Speaker 1: should not it. In high school I was a mess too.
Speaker 1: It was my twenties where I like, I always liked punk,
Speaker 1: but I never dressed like but I mean, yeah, do
Speaker 1: glam metal man's great? Yeah. And then someone asked me like,
Speaker 1: why are you wearing a skirt over jeans? And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you never know when like a breeze
Speaker 1: gun come by, and you know, I like the look
Speaker 1: of the skirt, but I like the comfort of the
Speaker 1: genes you got sense. I don't know about that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, well, Dave, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining me today on this journey to discover the invertebrate
Speaker 1: weight no introverts, introvertebrates, animals. Um, do you have anything
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