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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied

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Speaker 1: psychology and evolutionary biology, and on the show, we like

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Speaker 1: to dive into the brains of people and animals and

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Speaker 1: find out we're all pink and squishy on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of inside, today we're talking about introverts, fish who

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Speaker 1: want to stay inside all day and play Fintendo. An

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Speaker 1: animal who doesn't want to see anybody right now. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it's completely ditched its eyeballs. And spiders who should be

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Speaker 1: called shiders because you know they're they're very shy. Discover

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Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the agul question, isn't

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Speaker 1: it about time we all got a cloaca? So lots

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Speaker 1: of animals are shy in the sense that they don't

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Speaker 1: really want to be eaten. Being timid isn't necessarily a

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Speaker 1: bad thing, especially when you could make a tasty meal

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Speaker 1: from many predators. Even those doing the eating may want

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Speaker 1: to keep a low profile so they don't scare away

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Speaker 1: potential prey. Being introverted isn't a bad evolutionary strategy, but

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Speaker 1: some animals take it to the extreme. Not that I

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Speaker 1: can relate that all being a total party animal. Joining

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Speaker 1: me today is co host of the game Fully Unemployed

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Speaker 1: podcast network and former snail farmer David Bell. Hi, welcome, Dave,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I'm excited to be here. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to explain really briefly why you're a former

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Speaker 1: snail farmer. I got an aquarium in my twenties and

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Speaker 1: we got two snails for it, and then it became

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Speaker 1: and that's it. That's the that's the end of the explanation.

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Speaker 1: And then and then I don't know what happened to

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Speaker 1: that tank. I think we gave the snails away because

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Speaker 1: it was just too much to handle, too many mouths

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, in your twenties, there's a lot of responsibility

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Speaker 1: is having that many snails actually currently have that situation.

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Speaker 1: I have an aquarium which is mostly snails. Now they're virus.

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Speaker 1: I love them, these little upy little things, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could really snails can really take over. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think they're the rams horn snails and those are they're

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Speaker 1: the ones with the sort of like ice cream cone

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Speaker 1: to become a snail woman, like they will be. This

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Speaker 1: apartment will be snails soon. Yeah. So, Dave, today I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about some introverted animals. And this is

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Speaker 1: going to be really hard for us because we are

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Speaker 1: both just total social butterflies. You know, it's gonna it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard for us to

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Speaker 1: relate to these introverted animals, right, I just gotta go

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Speaker 1: out all the time. Yeah, that's what that's me. Everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: look at Dave, He's always out there. Yeah, exactly. The

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Speaker 1: quarantine is like a big departure from my normal routine

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Speaker 1: where I was going out every day, hit in the town,

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Speaker 1: painting that town red, bumping elbows, going to parties all

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Speaker 1: the time, randomly approaching strangers, talking to strangers. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh that's my favorite. I do love to talk to strangers.

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Speaker 1: So good at it with strangers that you making phone

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Speaker 1: calls for fun, Just hold someone up on the phone,

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Speaker 1: you know best, it's the best. Yes, But what we

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Speaker 1: will try to empathize with these introverted, shy animals, as

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Speaker 1: hard as it is for us, the most gregarious people

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Speaker 1: in the world. So Dave have you heard of the

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Speaker 1: way that eels are coping with the quarantine times? Huh?

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Speaker 1: I imagine they're slithering in the water a lot. Theyre

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Speaker 1: just doing the eel stuff, you know, opening their mouths

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Speaker 1: You've seen those videos of people petting eels like dogs. Yeah, yeah, that,

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Speaker 1: was going to talk about that, So probably the eels

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Speaker 1: But it's not actually the best idea to pet a

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Speaker 1: But first, I want to talk about a little tiny

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Speaker 1: And so the Sumita Aquarium in Tokyo is growing concerned

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Speaker 1: And so the aquarists are finding that it is difficult

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Speaker 1: They've just forgotten like what a person is. And it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you are? What are you what

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Speaker 1: I'm not having any of it. Yeah, well, here's the thing, Like,

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Speaker 1: like our hands kind of look like mouths, like you

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Speaker 1: our feet kind of have like things on the end.

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Speaker 1: So we must look like a big eel with a

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Speaker 1: probably really offensive to eels, just kind of like why

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Speaker 1: would you grow this like defensive protrusion out of what

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Speaker 1: could be a perfect noodle body? Right? They look at

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Speaker 1: us and they're like, that's excessive. That is what are

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Speaker 1: so in order to make sure these eels don't just

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Speaker 1: they have set up a bunch of tablets with face

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Speaker 1: asked the public to call in and face time with

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Speaker 1: human faces. Okay, why aren't we doing that right? Please

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Speaker 1: face time with the eels. I'm going to do that

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Speaker 1: not sure. I hope this is still going on. I

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Speaker 1: I will link you to it. And oh, they did

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Speaker 1: face time with the eels, don't don't bow guard the eels,

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Speaker 1: don't hog them, like, only spend five minutes because other

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Speaker 1: So you know that's going to be a problem for me.

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Speaker 1: I was to just have the eel channel on in

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Speaker 1: like all day. Yeah, yeah, so I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what garden eels are, Dave.

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Speaker 1: I have a few photos in the dock here for

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Speaker 1: I see the FaceTime. That's terrific. Yeah, just these floating

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Speaker 1: it looks looks like a haunted house or something. Imagine

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Speaker 1: like they're doing some some weird big Brother stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's eel blade Runner. Yeah, it absolutely is eel

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Speaker 1: like a cyberpunk future, because it's also like these blue

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Speaker 1: garden eels so you can get a sense of these

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Speaker 1: grumpy little little noodles. So they are a species of

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Speaker 1: imagine snorkeling and you're just kind of like floating around

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Speaker 1: like a really grumpy muppet. It remember the what are

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Speaker 1: put a sheet over his hand. They have an extensive

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Speaker 1: character bible with a backstory and like how they had

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Speaker 1: to escape their home planet because of their planet's version

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Speaker 1: They are found in the tropical oceans near Japan, Eastern Africa,

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Speaker 1: and Polynesia. Uh. They dig burrows into the sand so

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Speaker 1: And during mating season, they'll just make burrows closer together

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Speaker 1: They are medium, too large eels with long, protruding snouts

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Speaker 1: every tentacle and you're you know rattling the bars and

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Speaker 1: the bars are like electric eels, which actually we'll talk

420
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: about electric eels in just a minute. I was going

421
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: to ask, so I'm glad, yeah, yeah, so yeah, you

422
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: go to eel jail. But also reef habitats are very

423
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: delicate and touching things can cause inadvertent destruction. And also

424
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: like if wild morays get used to human attention, they

425
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: may come up to boats or fishermen or you know,

426
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: just like think it's safe to approach human people, and

427
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: it's not always safe to do that an eel. Here's

428
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: my here's my pitch. Okay. I had this revelation watching

429
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Speaker 1: the eel videos, and I've had it with a few

430
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: other things like sea lions and seals and even fish

431
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: is I didn't realize you could pet them, Like it's

432
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: just like I didn't know that was an option that

433
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: like fish, ees and eels, and they're perfect for that,

434
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Like they like pets. Why aren't Why aren't we domesticating

435
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: the ocean more? I want to pat sea lion? How

436
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: do I get a Okay? Okay, so first of all,

437
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: we do people do actually keep eels as pets. I

438
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: don't know about the ethics of petting an eel who

439
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: is a pet. I think it probably depends on the

440
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: type of eel, on its personality. A lot of fish

441
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: have that sort of mucas e stress coat. So if

442
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: you actually touch a fish and pet it too much

443
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: or pet it at all, it can distress the fish

444
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: and it sheds that protective coat, and that makes it

445
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: vulnerable to disease. I don't know if that's like just

446
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: always the case. I've seen some people like basically pet

447
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: a koi fish and it seems to enjoy it. You know,

448
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: maybe like limited touching of certain fishes. Okay, I don't know.

449
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: I can't give you a list of fish to touch,

450
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: so I would say don't touch any until you like

451
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: find out like the list of fish you can touch.

452
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: And generally speaking, I would say any wild fish or

453
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 1: any wild basically any why old animal, don't touch that.

454
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: It's a forbidden pet, like the fish, like even the

455
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: fish that damages are we can't keep doing this like

456
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: more tempting doesn't meeting down and like in parking garages,

457
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: giving like just a fish in a bowl and he's like,

458
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: you know what I need? I need those dangerous pets

459
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: last time? How did you get here? And it's like

460
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: a bowl on a roller skate. It's like, how do

461
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: you think? So I did promise we would talk about

462
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: electric eels, which is an eel you would definitely not

463
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: want to touch. But it's also not actually an eel.

464
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: So electric eels are not eels. They are knife fish.

465
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: So they look a lot like eels. They're long, you know,

466
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: they have that eel appearance, but they are actually in

467
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: a different type of animal group. That was see there,

468
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: we got another jingle. They are freshwater fish down in

469
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Central and South America. They are very eel like, but

470
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: they evolved separately and they can indeed produce electric voltage

471
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: using organs made of electro sites, which are basically a

472
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: bunch of tiny organic batteries that can produce electric charge.

473
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: When a bunch of them are all stacked together, they

474
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: can produce even more charged. So this can result in

475
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: shocks of up to eight hundred and sixty volts and

476
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: one amp of current, which is not deadly to a human,

477
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: but it can give you a quick jolt of pain

478
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: followed by numbness. Some people have likened it to a

479
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: stun gun, and that's kind of how they use it.

480
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: So they can use that electric voltage to stun their prey.

481
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: They can also use it as a way of like, uh,

482
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: sensing their environment electro reception and that. So yeah, it's

483
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: like this multifunctional electricity. But sadly they aren't an eel,

484
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: so you should we be concerned about them, because is

485
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: there any other animal with electric like electro powers like

486
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: platypusas can electric you know, Dave, I didn't say that.

487
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I didn't say a platypus, Did I say that. I

488
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: didn't say that. No, But they have electroc reception, so

489
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: they can sense electric signals and that's how they hunt

490
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: for worms and other small squiggly things. The murky waters

491
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: sharks can detect electricity. But is there any other animal

492
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: that can tas you? That's a good question. I don't.

493
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there are other there are other electric fish

494
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: can taste you, but I think that that is the

495
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: only animal I know of. We can't electrocute you. It

496
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: seems weird. And again, it can't electrocute you in the

497
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: sense that it can't kill you, right, But it does

498
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: seem concerning, right, Like we have all these animals, there's

499
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: so many of them, and there's like only like one

500
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: or two. That's like oh yeah, and this one will

501
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: electricute you briefly, and it's like, what why are they

502
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: doing that? And they're like, I don't know, it's it's

503
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: it's got it's got power batteries, and like you just

504
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: explained it and it sounded like the people have figured

505
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: it out. It's just don't matter. It's weird. And if

506
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: I were other animals, I'd be like, what the hell,

507
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: why don't I get to electrocute? It does seem unfair.

508
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: It does seem like a little bit unfair where it's like, well,

509
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: why doesn't every fish shoot lightning at people? Imagine how

510
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: awesome the ocean would be if they were all doing it,

511
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: if they were all Lord raid In from Mortal Kombat

512
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: just having a blast. I guess like if you had

513
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: too many, too many fish that could produce electricity, they'd

514
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: all basically like electrify the water. All the fish would

515
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: die and just be the sudden zap and like all

516
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: the fish floating to the surface, dead at once, like

517
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: a big blue whale, Like, oh that's the ocean. I want.

518
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I want an ocean that if you step in like

519
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: waves are tear ifying. I want I want a world

520
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: where waves like beaches and waves are seen as like

521
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: like volcanoes, where it's like, now you don't go to

522
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: a beach, are you crazy? What if some of that

523
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: ocean water gets on you, You're gone, You're dead. Well,

524
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: when we get back, I want to talk about something

525
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: called the sand shark, which sounds very terrifying, and I

526
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: think you'll be surprised what it is. Are you an

527
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: introvert or an extrovert? Well, this question is misleading. Introversion

528
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: and extroversion is not a strict binary, and most people

529
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: don't fall neatly into one category. There's even a label

530
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: for this. Ambiverts both exhibit introverted and extroverted qualities. Honestly,

531
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't even think you can encompass the full scope

532
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: of different personalities with just these three labels introvert, extrovert

533
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: or ambivert. It seems like it's a much more complex spectrum.

534
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: The existence of person reality tests may give us a

535
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: sense that we can fall into a specific, quantifiable category,

536
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: but the truth is that personality tests lack the sophistication

537
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: to capture your whole range of emotion and behavior. Psychologists

538
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: often urge caution about putting too much faith in personality tests,

539
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: especially outside the context of research. It may be fun

540
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: to take personality tests as long as you take them

541
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, especially ones that place you

542
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: into specific categories rather than on a continuum of behavior.

543
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: That said, when we return, we're going to talk about

544
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: an animal who's definitely on the extreme end when it

545
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: comes to that behavior continuum, and it's known as the

546
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: sand shark. Imagine you're walking along some sandy desert dunes.

547
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you're in a sci fi world where you wear

548
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: weird outfits and take mind altering drugs called the Ice.

549
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: You know, basically you're at burning Man. Well, you suddenly

550
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: feel the sand shift beneath your feet. A sinkhole opens up,

551
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: sucking you in with surprising speed. But that's just the

552
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: start of your problems. As the sand drains below you,

553
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: you see rows of sharp, hungry teeth and an eyeless

554
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: horror writhing beneath you. So, Dave, when you think, and

555
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: this is I guess it's a leading question, but I'm

556
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: expecting you to probably answer something differently than I want

557
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: you to, because you know that's that's how it goes

558
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: in these in these podcasts. But what do you think

559
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: like when you think of a reclusive animal, like a

560
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: crazed reclusive mammal, what do you think of I think

561
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: of living in like a cabin in the woods, maybe

562
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: working on a novel, and like maybe the kids are

563
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: scared of them, but like then it turns out or

564
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: he or she turns out to be you know, really

565
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: nice in the end, right or like yeah, or like

566
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: owns a scary dog and the kids get their baseball

567
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: stuck in their yard and they have to create a

568
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: bunch of contraptions to get that ball out. Well, I

569
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: want to talk about something called the sand shark, which

570
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: is sort of the opposite of that. Well, it's a

571
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: bit of a roller coaster because at first you're like,

572
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: sand shark. That sounds really scary. I mean I think

573
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: there's a horror movie called sand shares. Yeah, yeah, probably

574
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: sand sharks. Sandworms. Basically you put sand and then a

575
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: scary enough sounding animal after it, like sand tigers, sand lions,

576
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just burwing around. Well, there is a mammal

577
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: known as the golden mole, which is a family of

578
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: facorial mammals, which means that they live mostly underground or

579
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: spend a lot of their time underground. And they look

580
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: like a little it's kind of pokemon like. It looks

581
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: like a gold like a golden colored mole, like a

582
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: blondie version of a mole, you know, like a blondie

583
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: brownie where you're like, this looks brownie shaped, but it's

584
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: blond you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, those those little

585
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: those weird lie the live paste yeah cookie things. Right exactly.

586
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: If you look in the doc, you can see a

587
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: picture of this little guy. Let me check this out.

588
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, it looks like a shoe, looks like it

589
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: kind of looks like it just like looks like a

590
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: furry little ball with a nose and little toes sticking out.

591
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: So here's here's the roller coaster ride, which is like

592
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: you hear sand shark, you think, oh scary, you know,

593
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: big teeth gonna eat me. Then you look at this

594
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: little guy and it's like, oh, that's so cute. It's

595
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: just a little it's a little a little furry couchh

596
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: ball with a nose and feet, right, and then but

597
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: then when you learn about this it becomes terrifying again.

598
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: At least if you're like a termite. Oh yeah, well,

599
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: it's like if you if you had a co worker

600
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: whose nickname was like killer Steve and he was like

601
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: a little guy and you're like, what did he do?

602
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Like you know there's something We're like, why did you

603
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: get that name? Right? Exactly? It's on accountable. The people

604
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: like yield see me. So yeah, they are. Often they

605
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: have this like golden almost like iridescent fur, but some

606
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: species are brown or slate gray, which must suck to

607
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: be called the golden mole. It's like, well, why aren't

608
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: you golden? And it's like, well, I don't know, you know,

609
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: ask ask my god, Ask the god mole why they

610
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: didn't give me golden fur. Ask the widow who named

611
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: the not eels electric eels like we were, we're maniacs

612
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to naming these things. Do you want

613
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: to hear even more how much of a maniac we

614
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: are when we come to naming animals? Dave, because it

615
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: makes no sense. Golden moles are not moles or is

616
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the system that whoever sees it first gets to name

617
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: it and there's no takesise Macsies like people are just

618
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: like looks like a mole. Case close, they look very

619
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: much like a mole. They have the mole like shape.

620
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: They have the diggy claws, the little nose. They are

621
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: also blind, so they have no eyes. Actually they do

622
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: have eyes, but they are completely covered in fur and

623
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: skin and they are totally nonfunctional. So they look like, oh,

624
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: what are those the triples in star Treks. They just

625
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: they don't have like they do have a nose and claws,

626
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: but they have like no eyes and they look basically

627
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: they look almost exactly like a mole, but they're not

628
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: a mole. So they are in the order Afrosaurrikita, which

629
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: also contains ten ricks, which is something we talked about

630
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: on the Pokemon episode called Creature Moan, and which also

631
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: contains otter shrews, which are neither otters nor shrews. So

632
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: again the naming of these animals guys. Okay, So again recap,

633
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: quick recap. Golden mole not a mole. It's in this

634
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: group called afrosaurro Kita, which contains ten ric and otter shrews,

635
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: which are not otters and they are not shrews. Okay.

636
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: So the golden mole also looks almost identical to Australia's

637
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: marsupial mole, which is not a mole. Again, so the

638
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: Australia's marsupial mole is not a mole. It is a

639
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: It is a mo Okay, let me start over. The

640
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: golden mole looks like a blonde mole, but it's not

641
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: a mole. The golden mole looks very similar to the

642
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: marsupial mole, which is also not a mole. It is

643
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: a marsupial even though it looks like a mole, but

644
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: it's not related to the golden mole, which again is

645
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: not a mole. Does that it seems like what we're

646
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: doing is we're just we're we Where we crossed the

647
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: line as as as a species is when we started

648
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: describing animals by using the names of other animals. Because

649
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like, I get it. If something's like blue, you

650
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: call it blue whatever. And and like like you see

651
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: something that looks like a mole, You're like, yeah, that's

652
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: like a mole like thing. You get it. It's a

653
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: sort of mole. But then it makes it confusing. Yeah,

654
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: well when people discovered these, they just thought it was

655
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: a mole probably and they didn't really you know, question

656
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: it's like, oh that that there's I've seen those before.

657
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: That's a mole And they didn't think about this idea,

658
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: like the idea of convergent evolution, where you have two

659
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: animals who evolve independently to look almost identical. I think

660
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: is hard to grasp for your you know, eighteen hundreds

661
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: guy going out and like, hmm, yes, Watson, I've found

662
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: a golden mole. I've tried to eat it, but there's

663
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: not much meat on those bones. I'm surprised they didn't

664
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: describe everything is like some because like I get it,

665
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: like everything's kind of a mole, like my cats, kind

666
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: of a mole. It's small, it's furry, it's aggressive. Like yeah,

667
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: it's like they're all it's almost you've seen those long

668
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: sea moles. Yeah, I want to call them a tube

669
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: mole to water tube mole. So golden moles of Southern

670
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Africa again not moles. They are introverts in the sense

671
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: that they basically spend all their time burrowing underground to

672
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: eat insects. So without eyesight, they appear to use their

673
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: feet and their heads to since vibrations of predators and

674
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: prey and he I don't know, I just wanted to

675
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: throw this fact out. They have a kloaka like birds

676
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: and reptiles. Just just one hole that does it all.

677
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: They're a real, real streamlined animal, no eyes, just one hole.

678
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: They're really minimum. They do have a mouth, they do

679
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: have nostrils, but they're minimizing the amount of holes in

680
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: the body. See, we just need a tube and just

681
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: one hole. That's all we need, and that's all we

682
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: need to be. We just need to be a tube.

683
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: You guys learn from the eels and the golden moles

684
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: try to live that tube life to life, and they

685
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: also go into torpor when resting to conserve energy. So

686
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: torpor is sort of like a mini hibernation where you

687
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: slow down your bodily functions, so it's like a mega

688
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: serious nap, but you can wake up out of it

689
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. So with hibernation it's much more serious, it

690
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: lasts longer, it's harder to wake up. Torpor, you can

691
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of it's easier to wake up from. It's just

692
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: like an extremely serious nap. Or your heart rate and

693
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: breathing slow down dramatically. And they have highly efficient kidneys

694
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: and they don't really have to drink water, so they

695
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: can get most of their moisture from prey. So they

696
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: are just the most efficient little fuzzy donuts. Yeah, they

697
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: got it all figured out. How do how do we

698
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: how do we pretend like where the dominant species when

699
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: these littles are running around? I don't know. I mean,

700
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, we say we're the most dominant, but are

701
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: we the most efficient? Yeah, we're not. We're definitely not

702
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the best species. Like we don't I don't know what

703
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: these moles are up to. Also, like they could be

704
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: running at all, I don't know. Well, they do spend

705
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of time underground. Do we spend a lot

706
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: of time underground? No, So we don't know what they're

707
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: doing down there. We don't know what they're scheming their

708
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: little mole with their little mole plans. So there's a

709
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: species of golden mole that spend all their time in

710
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: sand dunes and they basically swim around under the sand

711
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and sneak up but sneak up on prey by burrowing

712
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: under them and devouring them from below, like one of

713
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: those worm from Tremors or the sandworms from Dune. You

714
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: can actually see them swimming under the sand like remember

715
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: in Looney Tunes, like when bugs Bunny would burrow under

716
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: the dot and you'd see like a mound of dirt

717
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: moving around. It looks like that, but in sand, and

718
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: they are able to sense the vibration of insects walking

719
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: on the sand above and they will just like get

720
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: right under the insect and eat it up, like imagine.

721
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: That's literally the graboids and tremors. They feel vibrations, yeah,

722
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: right right, and that's why that's why they are also

723
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: called a dune shark. I don't know why they aren't

724
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: called the graboid dune graboids, but you know they don't

725
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: so so they just like imagine being like a little

726
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: termite or they will occasionally even eat small reptiles, but

727
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: termites make up most of their diet. And you're just like,

728
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, walking on the sand. You don't see anything,

729
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're staying vigilant, and then like a

730
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: sink whole swallows you up, and then a mole that

731
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: caused the sinkhole swallows you up again with its teeth.

732
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: It's just horrifying. Yeah that is that's that's horror movie stuff.

733
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, yeah, but adorable, adorable with an animal

734
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: that's so droopy it can't use its eyes. It's like

735
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: you're too squishy for sight, but they eat you from

736
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: below exactly. So these dune sharks, the golden moles that

737
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: live on the dunes don't tend to live in permanent

738
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: burrows like other species of golden mole. They will just

739
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of like hang out in the sand. They will

740
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: live sort of in uh in the nighttime. They like

741
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: burrow into little like caves under plants, and they will

742
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: stick their whole head in the sand and listen for

743
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: vibrations and burrow under and bugs, bunny their way over

744
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: to a group of insects or small reptiles and just

745
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: just eat them. Just chow down on those poor little suckers.

746
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: They're doing a great job. I really I feel very like,

747
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, jealous. I guess like they just seem

748
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: to have it all, everything perfectly figured out. You want

749
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: to live that sandy donut life, ye just I mean

750
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: it does sound kind of luxurious in a way. You

751
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: just kind of like and they like have this like

752
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: shimmering golden fur and you see them just easily dive

753
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: under the sand and they pop out and all the

754
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: sand just like rolls off their back. It's I think

755
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: it's that burrowing animals always seem like they're living under

756
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: their blankets. Yeah, yeah, I know. Do you ever like

757
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: I have those mornings where I basically just like rip

758
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: off all the blankets from the bed and as I

759
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: move because it's like I don't want to leave bed

760
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: that I have to for some reason. So as a compromise,

761
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I bring most of the bed with me. Yes, And

762
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: then when you plant somewhere, you just sort of plant

763
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: down in a sleepy position, right, and you just kind

764
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: of like burrito it up right, you go, you you

765
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: start the coffee maker, then you just lie straight down

766
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: on the kitchen floor. You're living the Golden Mole lifestyle.

767
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm actually named after. Is gonna say you're living the

768
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: golden lifestyle. Your your family name is the family name

769
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: is named after the Golden Mole, even though it's spelled differently.

770
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: For copyright issues, we had to change the spelling. But yeah,

771
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: we are named after the Golden mole. Sure do you

772
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: have Do you have the same problem as me? Is

773
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: you know when people like look up what does your

774
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: name mean? Uh, and it's like, oh, it means it

775
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: means peacefulness, or it means this. I looked up my

776
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: last name and it was just like it's like an instrument. Man, Okay, fine, Yeah,

777
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting. Is it kind

778
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: of the same with like it's golden golden? Like yeah,

779
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: so I don't really know like what I have. I

780
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: actually don't really know because it's g O L D

781
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: E N Surprise Prize and it is a Jewish name.

782
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: It is a Russian Jewish name, I think, originating somewhere

783
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: near the Ukraine. And I don't know what it means.

784
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it used to be like maybe it was like

785
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Goldsmith at one point, or you know, Schmidt or something,

786
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: and like, but then it just got shortened to like yeah,

787
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: just golden. We're just golden, you know. I hope it.

788
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: I hope it goes all the way back to Dune Shark,

789
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: Like you just due shark. We were golden mole shepherds. Yeah,

790
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: also dune Shark. I just realized, is like that's like

791
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: someone's mad Max name. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's got tubes

792
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: coming out of his eyeballs or something. Oh yeah, he's

793
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: got tubes coming out every which way. It's these are

794
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: very mad Max mammals, so and so efficient. Admire their efficiency.

795
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: They got it all. Figure it out. I don't remize

796
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: the whole, minimize the holes. And that's probably good because

797
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: they're spending so much time underground. Like you're minimizing the

798
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: amount of like holes that like sand can get into. Yeah,

799
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: you can't get in your eyes. You don't need them.

800
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: You don't need your eyes because you're like like an

801
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: earth bender listening to vibrations in the ground and like

802
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: you you only need one hole really like downstairs and

803
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: the downstairs plumbing. Only one hole means less sands gets

804
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, just really really sleek redesign of a

805
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: mammalian body that I enjoy. Good good on them, Good

806
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: job moles. Golden moles use their superhering to their advantage,

807
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: But for humans who are more introverted, noise can be

808
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: a problem. A study published in the Journal of Environmental

809
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: Psychology by below Zebek at All found that a noisy

810
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: environment can affect performances on mental arithmetic tasks, but it

811
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: depends on whether you're more introverted or more extroverted. Participants

812
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: responded to a questionnaire that estimated their leanings towards extroversion

813
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: or introversion. Those that were more extroverted were able to

814
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: complete the arithmetic tasks faster in noisy environments compared to

815
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: quiet conditions. Conversely, more introverted people struggled with concentration and

816
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: felt fatigue during noisy conditions compared to quiet conditions. The

817
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: study does not reveal causation, that is, whether introversion or

818
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: extroversion causes the difference in mental processing, or if introverted

819
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: and extroverted lifestyles change the way your brains work in

820
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: different environments. Either way, it does show that if you're

821
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: more introverted and you have trouble concentrating in noisy environments,

822
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: you're not alone. When we return, we'll talk about an

823
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: animal that fairly makes the sound, but whose bark is

824
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: worse than its bite, well in most cases. So, Dave,

825
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: this may be an odd question for you, given how

826
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: much you are a party animal, loved party, But have

827
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: you ever been to a party or social gathering? Like

828
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: you know in the before times you should be doing

829
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: zero party you now, but when you wished you could

830
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: just kind of flatten up against the wall and like

831
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: just like lend into the wallpaper or sort of lay

832
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: on the ground and pretend to be a rug and

833
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like flatten flatten on the ground and

834
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: like still listen to people's conversations, but nobody notices you're there.

835
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: You just you just turn like T one thousand, you

836
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: just turn to the wall. I mean, I know, I'm

837
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I love I love parties. Everybody look at me. Started

838
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew center center of attention, best party boy. No,

839
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean I would do the equivalent of, you know,

840
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom and figuring out how how many

841
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: times I could go to the bathroom where it didn't

842
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: seem like I had like diarrhea. Yeah, it's a delicate balance.

843
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: That was my sanctuary in in high school and college,

844
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: just like I got to go to the bathroom and

845
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, like oops, like what's on my cell phone?

846
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: Oh that I got a text and that means I

847
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom now. Oh yeah, the

848
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: phone really helps. Yeah, phone helps. Pets. Pets help, Like

849
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: you just absorbed Like someone has a dog. You just

850
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: absorbed the dog into your being. So it's like me

851
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: and this dog, we've got important matters to discuss. You

852
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: ever have it, though, I've had this happen where you

853
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: do where the pets you you gravitate to the pet,

854
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: and the pet even is like like I have other

855
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: people to pet rejects you. It's like you're you're great,

856
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: but it's been a it's been an hour, so I

857
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: do ye oh absolutely, I've like I've like clung to

858
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: a pet and a pet. It's it's just like you know,

859
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: like okay, it's like it was nice to meet you,

860
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: but like you not be so clingy. You're like really

861
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: cramping my style. Yeah it's and it's a pug and

862
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: it's just no, please, please don't leave me. Well, I

863
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about an animal that has perfected the

864
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: Wallflower method by basically just doing exactly what I described.

865
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: And this is the wraparound spider. So, Dave, there is

866
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: a picture. Do you are you? Oh? That's good. I'm glad.

867
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: I find them cute too. I have Okay, this is

868
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: my my spider history is my best friend going up

869
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: had a tarantula and so when I would sleep over,

870
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: my face would be aligned with the terrarium, so I

871
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: would wake up to like this tarantula just staring at me. Uh.

872
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: And So what that did was it gave me like

873
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of nostalgia for them. But it's like

874
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: it's like what the that aquarium is doing to the

875
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: eels where its habituating the eels to the human faces.

876
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: In this scenario, you were the eel and the tarantula

877
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: face was the human face, and it habituated you to

878
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: the tarantula face the eel all time. Another another thing

879
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: that UM like I got I found little or spiders

880
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: a little creepy like I like them when they're fluffy, Yes, spiders.

881
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: Another thing that made me like spiders more is my

882
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: cat because she's like a big old tarantula. She's got

883
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: she scuttles, she's got like you know, they got dead

884
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: eyes insector uh and so out of acted energy for sure. Yeah,

885
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: and so like that actually has made me more like

886
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: like spiders more because I was gonna scuttle, but not

887
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: any treat. The specific treat, Well, this one is I've

888
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 1: seen people describe this as horrifying. To me, it's really

889
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: cute just because it's such a shy little little It's

890
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: just so shy. They just want to be just so. Basically,

891
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: this shy Australian cutie likes to flatten itself and wrap

892
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: around a tree branch, which is a form of crips

893
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: is to make it look like a bit of bark

894
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: or lichen and blend seamlessly into the branch due to

895
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: a modeled leopard like coloration, So it's kind of it's brown,

896
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: sort of modeled. It looks a little bit like a

897
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: piece of bark, but it doesn't just sit on the branch.

898
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: It wraps around it like you know, like a slap bracelet.

899
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: It's like a slap bracelet, but made out of a spider.

900
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: It's just like or a cute one. Sorry not to

901
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: not to keep going on the cuteness of spiders, but

902
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: I think part of what makes them cute is that

903
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of horrifying. Yes, yeah, exactly. I had a

904
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: friend described them perfectly as their lives are a combination

905
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: of mortal terror and insatiable blood lust. Right, That's that's

906
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: their two modes. Is like they're like, I don't want

907
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: to die and I just want some blood. There's this

908
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: video of a spider getting spooked, like getting startled, and

909
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: you know it's it starts out, you know, that's got

910
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: these big slender legs and it's crawling towards you and

911
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: it's got that spooky spider energy and then someone startled

912
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: it and it just does a thing that you know,

913
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: like most creatures do when they're startled, where it kind

914
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: of jumps and then just like starts to flail away

915
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: in a panic, all its legs operating and just a

916
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: panic just flailing. It's like and it's so awkward, you know,

917
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: like skittting across the floor, stumbling and tripping a bit. Right,

918
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: they're horrifying. I'm sorry, yeah, because they they're horrifying to

919
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: little insects that they eat, but like to a human

920
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: like they they'll look up to you, like mid digesting

921
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: a fly and look like, oh, oh, oh god, this

922
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: is awkward. Oh jeez uh little monsters. They also seem

923
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: to know exactly, they know exactly how to bother us,

924
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: how to freak this out. Like I remember was driving

925
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: once and a spider just started dangling down from the

926
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: ceiling in front of my eyes, and it's like this

927
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: spider could kill me, right, but it's all unintentional, right,

928
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: just just hanging on a thread. And then it kind

929
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: of slowly turns around and tell its face to face

930
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: with you, and you can imagine it just doing a

931
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: tiny gulp, just like it's like it's like being dressed

932
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: like a werewolf in public and you keep scaring children,

933
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: and you don't want to scare children, but you're not

934
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: going to take out. You can't take off the werewolf

935
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: cost him. I'm so sorry. I have so many leg

936
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: come for us. It's me too. I can't change who

937
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: I am. So the wraparound spider tries to be as

938
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: obsequious as possible by wrapping around a tree branch. Its

939
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: body is flat and disc shaped and its belly is convex,

940
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: so it can Actually it's like perfectly molded to wrap

941
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: around a tree branch like a glove, a glove made

942
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: out of spider, and it is fuzzy. So it's like

943
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: I find these cute, but I will admit, like if

944
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I was walking around in Australia and I rested my

945
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: hand on a branch and I I was like, huh, this

946
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: is fuzzy, and then I look over and it's just

947
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: this little spider going like hello, I would fall on panic,

948
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: I'd be done, would kill me. Yeah, that's the thing,

949
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: it's the surprise factor. Yeah, Like part of me is

950
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to wrap one to wrap

951
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: around my finger, my arm. I think that would be

952
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: like a hug, like a warm, fuzzy hug. But if

953
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: I were to, yeah, I put my hand on a

954
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: branch in this hap it's coming, Yeah exactly. Yeah, well,

955
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good rule for any hug. I

956
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: would say, you gotta know it's timing and like be

957
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: accepting of it. So it is not actually doing this

958
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: to startle us and to like just like you know,

959
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: give us a good spook. It is doing this to

960
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: protect itself from predators. So this is their daily routine.

961
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: Every night they construct a simple web to catch prey,

962
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: and they tear it down every morning so that they

963
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: leave no trace and they can hide against the tree

964
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: and remain safe from predators. And so yeah, they're just

965
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: really terminally shy they know, I mean, they're yeah, I

966
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: get it. They're like, look, I'm not really living life

967
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: this way, but I'm living, right. I am alive? Am

968
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: I living? No? I am alive? Though. Yeah, It's it's

969
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: like it's like again, it's like an apocalypse. It's like

970
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: the road where it's like keep moving, have a small camp,

971
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: don't draw any attention to itself, right exactly. Yeah, it's

972
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: just like I imagine just like them getting really nervous

973
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: and starting to sweat. They don't sweat really, but like

974
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: if there's a bird or another predator nearby, they're just

975
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: like on the branch kind of like silently sweating, going

976
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: like I'm a branch. I'm a branch on my branch,

977
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: a branch on my branch, right, just some bird feet

978
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: like right near them, like consolutely, Yeah, just a normal branch,

979
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: just doing normal branch stuff, normal branch. They should have

980
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: done what other spiders and you said this Australia, right,

981
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: and just get big enough to kill the birds. That

982
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: seems like a technique. Just shoot lightning. Why don't all

983
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: animals shoot lightning? Lightning? Man. So one other reason to

984
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: love these spiders is there not a threat to humans.

985
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: They do have a mild venom, and but that's really

986
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: just for their prey. They that venom is not typically

987
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: dangerous to humans who aren't allergic, which again like don't

988
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: just go poke in a spider because you don't know

989
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: if you're going to be allergic have a bad reaction.

990
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: And also leave the spider alone. Yeah, just leave it alone.

991
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: Come on, they're shy there, They're poor little shy guys

992
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: and gals. Yeah, I feel like we would be less

993
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: afraid of spiders if we viewed them as extremely awkward,

994
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: shy little nerds just trying to trying to blend in,

995
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: and they will go to great lengths to not be

996
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: noticed by you, and like seriously serious length. So I

997
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about fryin Arachne de scipiens, which is

998
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: also known as the bird dropping spider. So there are

999
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: a few types of spiders and other insects that will

1000
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: actually try to look like bird droppings, but this one

1001
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: really takes it to an other level. I think this

1002
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: is the best bird dropping mimic I've ever seen. So

1003
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: this spider is a very shy little crab spider from

1004
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: Malaysia who wants to is so desperate to go unnoticed

1005
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: by predators that it mimics a pile of pooh, which

1006
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: is also what I do when I don't, you know,

1007
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: like when you don't. It's like especially now, like when

1008
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to socially distant, so like as like if

1009
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: I look like a piece of bird poop, like you know,

1010
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: or just like yeah, you get your you get your

1011
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: blankets that you're having with you all day and you

1012
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: wrap up like a like a piece of poop and

1013
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: they're also covered in bird poop because of all the

1014
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: birds I've been liting liting inside. It's like I can't

1015
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: go outside, come inside, share the space with me, poop

1016
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: on my blankets. Yeah, So these bird dropping spiders are

1017
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: like the Daniel day Lewis of bird poop. They have

1018
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: the role of the lifetime, the only work every like

1019
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: five years. It is literally life or death. So this

1020
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: is the role of a lifetime pretending to be bird poops.

1021
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: So the spider's belly is chalky white with a kind

1022
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: of light shine on it. It's got these black legs

1023
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: with some splotches of white. Take a look at that

1024
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: photo of this thing. Is the poop around it part

1025
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: of the spider? M m. That's an interesting question one

1026
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: I will answer. Um. You know what I appreciate about

1027
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: the spider he or she they they they're not disguising

1028
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: themselves as something we're gonna want to touch, right, So

1029
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: it's a good like. They're not you know, they're not

1030
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: the gummy bear spider or anything like that. They're not

1031
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: the dollar bill spider. Yeah, God, I want one of those.

1032
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: It's like a bizarre coincidence. They just look like our currency,

1033
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: and every time you see a dollar bill in the ground.

1034
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself, is this spider I'm not

1035
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: going to touch you isn't going to fight me and

1036
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: scuttle away? So you do have to be careful around

1037
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: bird poop in Malaysia because it could be a spider. So,

1038
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, as tempting as it is to touch the

1039
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: bird poop, could be a spider. So it maybe that's

1040
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: why we stopped touching bird poop. You know, makes you think, yeah, no,

1041
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, everybody loves bird poop. So it will

1042
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: lay on its belly and curl in its legs to

1043
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: physically mimic a piece of dripping, splattered bird poop. So,

1044
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, it looks impossible because it also

1045
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: looks like the ground below it is splattered bird poop.

1046
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: And any bird poop actor knows that staging and atmosphere

1047
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: are the most important parts of embracing your character as

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: being bird poop. So so it weaves a flat white

1049
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: bed of sticky web that it anchors itself too, So

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: it's not just to look like bird poop, although it doesn't,

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01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: it gives us really nice stage of you know how

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: like if if there's a piece of bird poop, it

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01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of splatters. There's like a flat part of white,

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: dry crusty bird poop, and then a sort of like

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: moister bulb of duty. This is like the spider is

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01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: made this effect. So it's web is this flat white

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01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: it looks like dried bird poop. And then the spider

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: itself looks like that, like little chunk of extra bird

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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: poop on top with you know, and the black legs

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01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: modeled with the white. It is stunning how detailed its

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: coloration is to look like splattered bird bird duty. I

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Speaker 1: have a question about this spider and the last one.

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Speaker 1: How do they know to do this? I mean they

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Speaker 1: they don't. So they're spiders, right, They don't have the

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Speaker 1: biggest brains. They don't really know that they're doing this.

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Speaker 1: They're not like even though I like joke about it,

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: they are not like, all right, today's another day to

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: pretend to be a piece of point. They aren't. They

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: aren't a group of spiders of the same species. Who

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01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I have an idea. You see those

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: bird poop, But like I this is probably a dumb

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01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: question because it applies to just animal behavior in general.

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01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: But like, has it seen bird poop? And it knows

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: to do that. How does what is in its d

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: n A that knows I need to look like bird poop.

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: It's a very good question, actually, and I think it's

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: an important one to answer, because when you look at

1078
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: these animals, you're like, Okay, there's no way that God

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: isn't just a giant like spider or a giant bird.

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01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: And who's like, and you look like poop? Because it's funny.

1081
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: But so how this happens? And it's not that it's

1082
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: not planned by the spiders. So think of the spider

1083
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: as like a really sophisticated a computer program or a

1084
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: little robot. And whenever there is a mutation, it's often

1085
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: mutations are bad, so they don't really do anything either

1086
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: bad or neutral. But occasionally there will be a mutation

1087
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: that increases an organism's chance of survival. And it's this

1088
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: only makes sense when you realize how long millions of

1089
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: years is, Like, millions of years is a really long time.

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01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: It's it's just a massive amount of time, especially for

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01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: an animal like a spider that reproduces so quickly, has

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: a relatively short lifespan and reproduces so you'll have many,

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: many generations even within a year and then multiply that

1094
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: by by millions and millions of years, and so you'll

1095
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: get basically you have this computer program. It's not non actual.

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01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying spiders are drones. I'm not starting a

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. But you you have this like organic program running,

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Speaker 1: which is that if it passes on it's d N A,

1099
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: then that DNA is like the next generation of DNA,

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: So like uh, any anything that prevents it from getting

1101
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: eaten is passed on to the next generation. So you

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: could have a slight alteration like maybe you know and

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: and there can be like weird twists and turns to

1104
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: action as well, like the webbing could have been to

1105
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: trap little insects or to steady itself on a leaf

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: and then but it looked kind of like bird poops,

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: so predators avoided it because there are once you have

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01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: like you do, like have visual systems that can recognize like, okay,

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01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: this is the shape of bird poop. So if you're

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: a if you're a bird or another predator or a

1111
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: jumping spider which is one of their predators, and it

1112
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: looks it's looking for a specific pattern that to it

1113
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: reads food. Whereas bird poop is like, that's bird poop.

1114
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: You know that's not good. But so it's so so

1115
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: millions of years of these changes and then okay, and

1116
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: then it has a mutation where it's kind of it's

1117
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: belly is white. Wow, Okay, that one actually survives more

1118
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: because it looks even more like bird poop, and then

1119
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: also changes in its its brain and its instincts where

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: it does certain things that make it survive better. So again,

1121
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: like it's basically a computer that is able to self

1122
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,440
Speaker 1: replicate over millions of years and change its own programming,

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01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's gonna turn into bird poop, is what

1124
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right, that does make sense. It's it's a

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: bizarre path that these specific spiders happened to take where

1126
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: they were in the right area where it was like yeah, okay,

1127
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: so I'm getting it where it's like it's evolution. This

1128
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: spider that just happened to look this way by pure coincidence,

1129
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that it was doing this, where it's like, oh,

1130
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: I just look less edible and the more. And then

1131
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: like that the one that survived, and then it kept

1132
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: going like we could be that we could look exactly

1133
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: like the poop of aliens and we don't even know,

1134
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: we have no idea. I think that is what is

1135
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: confusing when we think about evolution, because humans can and

1136
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: some animals potentially can make conscious survival decisions like yeah

1137
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: we do, like why do we have hair? It's like

1138
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's like, well, because because it

1139
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: looks cool and it's fond to feather, right, But after

1140
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: like all this time, it's just that's like the way

1141
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: you'd ask the spire like why do you look like that?

1142
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: They're like I don't know, Yeah, like I didn't decide

1143
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: to look this way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, so

1144
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: it is yeah, it's I mean, like when you think

1145
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 1: about it, it is crazy how much complexity you get

1146
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: through evolution. So it also emits a stinky odor that

1147
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: smells like bird droppings, which doesn't just you know, seal

1148
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: the deal and really sell its method acting. But it

1149
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: also attracts small insects, like it's prey that are super

1150
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: into bird poop, which works out really well for the

1151
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: bird dropping spider because it's like all the things that

1152
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: doesn't want to notice it, like are not into eating

1153
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: bird poop, but little insects that like it. Would be

1154
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: into coming over and checking it out, like are into

1155
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: bird poop, so it comes over. It's it's the perfect,

1156
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: perfect disguise, right, much like the money spider, I want

1157
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: to exist. We should always be thankful that our food

1158
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like that that it's not like, okay, um, this

1159
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: burger king is good, don't go to this one because

1160
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: it's actually a giant spider. Like I'm glad. I'm glad

1161
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: that are like restaurants and stuff don't trick us. Well

1162
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: they do, but you know what I mean, they don't

1163
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: there there's not like monsters pretendings, right, I'm trying to

1164
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: think of, Like, so if I'm trying to make friends,

1165
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: like what would I dress up as to lure in

1166
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: the pool that I want to get to know while

1167
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: turning off everyone that I wouldn't want to get to know.

1168
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: Right now, it's by wearing a face mask outside because

1169
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: it's like all the responsible good people are like, hey,

1170
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: that's great, I love that you're wearing a face mask,

1171
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: and all the terrible people think I'm being weird. Right,

1172
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 1: I think the face mask is it until it's until

1173
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: it suddenly until like you know, in like I don't know,

1174
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: five years from now, when it's hopefully not a problem anymore,

1175
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: hopefully like then, it would be weird to wear a

1176
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: face mask. But it's gonna be hard, though I think

1177
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be good. Like I'm not saying I

1178
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen. I do, but it's just

1179
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: gonna be weird. Like you're gonna feel untethered. It's gonna

1180
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: feel yeah, naked. I'll feel naked. You'll talk to me

1181
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: in my face and I'll feel naked, like we're having

1182
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: some kind of weird interaction. Like I feel like, do

1183
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: I need to put underpants on my face? You know?

1184
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. That would also guarantee that only the

1185
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: cool people would go up, Yeah, exactly. Putting underpants on

1186
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: your face is sort of the bird dropping spider method. Well,

1187
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, as someone who was a punk

1188
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: for very long, that is kind of the purpose of

1189
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: looking like a punk. Like the mohawk stuff. Oh yeah,

1190
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: I had, Oh my god, a mohawk for the better

1191
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: part of my most of my god, how did I not?

1192
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I lived with a punk band. Oh

1193
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: my god. I I went to punk like I went

1194
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: to London and did like punk festival there. I've done

1195
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: a lot of punk stuff. Yeah the hell, how did

1196
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: I know? Are you? You're not? Like this isn't a joke.

1197
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm not getting My favorite bands are like British seventies punk.

1198
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like like Coxspar and I'm dizzy right

1199
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: now learning this about you. Yeah, I still listen to punk,

1200
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: but like I used to dress like a punk. I'll

1201
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: send you some pictures that, um credible, But that's sort

1202
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: of part. There's a lot of reasons for the punk aesthetic,

1203
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: but one of them was always like almost just so

1204
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: punks can identify each other. Because like when you're walking

1205
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: around like in public, like during when you know there's

1206
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: like punk shows in the area punk festival, you see

1207
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: the mohawks, you see you see, You're like yeah, yeah,

1208
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: and then you and then you like and then you

1209
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: call out oi oi oi boi, and then like have

1210
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: your your mohawk go up like a cockatoo exactly exactly.

1211
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: But you're scared. I guess how I dressed in high

1212
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: school and in my twenties. No, no, you have to guess. Okay, well,

1213
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: I know you're into metal, right, so I'm gonna say,

1214
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: like you you're like ripped jeans, maybe like a Mega

1215
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: Death or like a Helloween T shirt. Uh, like real

1216
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: eighties style. Yeah, Sadly no, I dressed like a total dorc,

1217
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: I know, just like war basically jeans and sweaters most

1218
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: of the time. And then in college I had this

1219
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: brief period of time where I look, I don't know

1220
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: why I did this, but I wanted to dress sort

1221
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: of like a glam hair metal so I would wear

1222
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: like I wore, like skirts over jeans. Didn't it didn't

1223
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: really make a whole lot of sense, you know, I

1224
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: should not it. In high school I was a mess too.

1225
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: It was my twenties where I like, I always liked punk,

1226
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: but I never dressed like but I mean, yeah, do

1227
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: glam metal man's great? Yeah. And then someone asked me like,

1228
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: why are you wearing a skirt over jeans? And I

1229
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: was like, well, you never know when like a breeze

1230
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: gun come by, and you know, I like the look

1231
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: of the skirt, but I like the comfort of the

1232
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: genes you got sense. I don't know about that. I

1233
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, well, Dave, thank you so much for

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: joining me today on this journey to discover the invertebrate

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Speaker 1: weight no introverts, introvertebrates, animals. Um, do you have anything

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Speaker 1: to plug? Oh? No, Um, yeah I think I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try now actually loading pictures of the

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Speaker 1: as always, I am at pro bird rights as well,

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Speaker 1: where I am fighting for everyone's rights to be a

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Speaker 1: bird or bird poop. I don't judge. I don't judge.

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