WEBVTT - Hot Stuff! The Evolution of the Oven 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.880 I was like, I know, I was thank you know, 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.000 I see tomatoes on the calendar. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.760 I know me too. I love I just love that. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.520 I'm I'm learning so much every day, which is like 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.920 my favorite thing, and then just just sharing it and 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.599 you're as crazy about this stuff as I am. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:21.800 So Oh my god. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.680 My name is Evel Longoria and I am my deraon 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:33.480 and Welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.120 That explores our past and present through food. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.519 On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.920 of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:41.159 From our culture. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:48.360 So make yourself at home, even Brichel. I am so 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.960 excited as usual. Mike and I are talking about how 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.720 every week we sit down to do these episodes and 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.720 we just are so excited about the topic every time, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.120 every single time. So excited because today's topic is like 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:02.920 food adjacent. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.600 It is you need it if you're a foodie and 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:06.200 if you cook. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:12.839 But I've always been fascinated with like how things evolved 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.360 into what they are today, and so today's topic is 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.960 about the oven and the history of the oven. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.360 Did you have an easy bake oven? I wish it 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.080 was my dream toy. I never had one. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.760 I didn't get it. I never you got you have 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.520 a bunch of sisters. I would have imagined, well, that's 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:32.880 the thing. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.520 I got the Flea Mark hand me down version, and 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.760 you know it came with like one packic to make, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.320 like it came with like the one cupcake right that 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.720 light would make and so I had to like actually 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.360 make reels. I wanted to make real stuff inside of it. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:55.120 And it's not really strong enough for like repeat using it's. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:55.520 A light bulb. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.080 I mean, my dad was always paranoid that I was 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.840 going to get that I was going to burn myself. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.160 He never got it, and it was so heartbreaking. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.120 But my next door neighbor had one, and I always 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.320 every time I went over, I just wanted to do 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:10.680 easy bake opan and she's like, no. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.079 Let's go for a bike ride, let's go whatever, climb trees. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.560 And I was like, no, let's bake. But I had 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.440 that let's make everything in there. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.560 I put everything in there and it would never cook, right, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.440 But it did cook. I mean it was a proper 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.880 little oven for two second it had this little light. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.560 Then yeah, I just felt like it was such a 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.880 I don't know, it was such a toy that. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.160 I was like, oh, that's cool. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.399 It could teach kids about cooking, but it was really genderized. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.760 I feel I felt like it was only for little 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.280 girls and you know, be a good wife and the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.080 housewife and go learn on this starter oven, so. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.200 You totally prepared for your life. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.880 Yes, and the marketing was definitely that it came out 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.280 in nineteen sixty three. When we think about like nineteen 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.840 sixties marketing, it's like the mad Men era, right, It's 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.160 all of these men that are just coming up with 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.480 this stuff. So it first came out in this This 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.080 sales executive of a toy company called counter Products. He 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.520 was inspired by New York City pretzel vendors and the 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.000 little ovens that they had, So his development team designed 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.960 a light bulb powered toy that would actually work, so 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.639 you could actually bake. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.800 In these things. Yeah. And so because it heated the 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.639 little I didn't heat up it did. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.840 I didn't think it heated up to three hundred and 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:37.680 fifty degrees. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.520 I didn't think so either, But that was what they 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.160 were saying, that it heated up. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:43.040 That's what it said. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.440 Yeah, and that's why my dad was terrified that I 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.280 was going to burn myself and yeah, you know, but 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:50.960 I know it wasn't very hot. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.160 I remember the reason I didn't get one is because 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.160 it was a high price. It was like sixteen dollars 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:02.160 back then, which was like am I for three months 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.880 was twenty dollars or something. So sixteen dollars was pretty 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.240 pricey back then, and it was that'd be like more 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.760 than one hundred and sixty dollars today. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.160 Yeah, can't imagine it was that toy was. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.600 It was a curee success and it like sold five 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.200 hundred thousand units in the first year and so they 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.839 tripled production the following year. But I guess that marketing 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.840 to the little girls worked. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:27.839 It worked. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.080 It totally worked because if the nineteen sixties, you know, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.320 they advertised it on Saturday morning cartoons and she was like, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.760 I like, you see, so of course you just want this, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.240 And it was like their slogan was just like moms, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.680 bake your cake and eat it too, and knew it 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.880 was like pink. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.679 And purple, and the packaging. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.280 It had the little girl is baking and the little 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.880 boy is consuming. It was very much like this is 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.160 your role, so you know who's part of this ad campaign? 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.240 So I turned this like mundane household task of baking 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.920 into something into play, into play. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.240 I didn't even know there was a National Toy Hall 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.960 of Fame. It's so cool. I want to know what else. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.400 Obviously this is for iconic toy is probably the Barbie 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.800 and the Big Wheel. But the Easy Bake Oven was 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:24.880 inducted into the National Toy Hall of Fame because it 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.040 sold twenty three million units. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.920 Eight I know it owns it now, hasbro owns it now, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.200 and now it's a little bit more democratic. It's not 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.360 pink and purple, but there's some blue and some yellow 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.240 in there. And they're boys and girls that are, you know, baking. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.080 So yeah, so it's just it has evolved with the times. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.000 I will tell you. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.200 The bigger deal that happened in our household was the 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.240 day we got a micro way. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.440 Do you remember that? I remember that. That wasn't how 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:56.520 a big deal. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.159 I just remember it was like, wow, wow, this little 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:06.320 thing can reheat and my aunt in Mexico City would 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.360 make everything in it and it was just kind of gross. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.960 But then it's like is this safe? Is it? It's 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.160 just like but it was like a big thing on 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:14.680 the counter. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.400 It was like, do you remember when you, because yeah, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.480 we it was my dad was excited about it, oddly 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.400 because he you know, we lived on the ranch. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.200 We ate from the ground, so everything was made from scratch, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.800 and so when we got it, I was like, yeah, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.680 but what do you cooking it? Like? I was so 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.599 confusible when it came with a little cookbook and one 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.920 of the first things and there was eggs, and so 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.039 I remember my dad cracking an egg and doing the 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.280 thing and putting it in there. And then and then 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.640 it you know, changed, and we were like ah, and 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.080 we wouldn't stand near it. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.880 Yes, we were like back away, back away. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.159 And because of that, of that, I never used it, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.400 and it really just was this black box in our kitchen. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:57.800 But my dad was very excited about it. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.120 And then later it kind of just involved to reheat 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:02.760 the leftovers we cooked it. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:03.719 It was just the reheater. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.760 I feel like that's how it was in my house 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.040 from the beginning, to reheater or something that you used 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.520 to make popcorn, right, But that and I feel like 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.840 we we actually talked about the microwave when we did 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:22.520 our popcorn episode, so it the first micro microwave oven 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.720 was called the Radar Range and it goes all the 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.240 way back. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:26.320 To nineteen forty six. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.480 But it was this huge thing and it was super expensive, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.480 so it wasn't you know, it wasn't for home use. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.120 And these early microwave versions were used in hotels and restaurants, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:43.000 and it wasn't until this company called Raytheon bought it 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.040 that it became smaller and more affordable. And this is 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.440 in the nineteen sixties, but it didn't really become common 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.360 until the eighties, which is when our families you know, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:58.840 got one. And it changed when cooking was supposed to be. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.640 The whole think about the culture in that moment as well, 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.640 like you know, women are working, uh, kids are. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.120 Latchkey, like that was the other thing that we'd used. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.200 I used to we used to heat heat up like 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.080 butt pockets or something, you know, when we got home 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:15.640 or something. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:22.560 But yeah, it definitely transformed the household because the way 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.960 society was changing. Society was changing and it changed like cooking. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.160 This until then, this whole idea of oh, cooking should 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.600 take time and it should be this whole you know thing. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.560 What people didn't have time, so it's a sort of 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:41.319 collapsed time. And this idea of speed, its speed became normal, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:42.080 you know. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.840 And also the fact that it doesn't brown or crisp 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.400 like that's that was that's my thing about not cooking. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.200 And my glass y egg is great. It's jelly like 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.120 and it's easy to eat that out of the microwave. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.079 But that was why early critics complained about it, because 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.160 the boot that you could cook in there was like 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:08.319 pale or unfinished, and it just was not very aesthetic. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.199 So I think, you know, cooking is a craft too. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.320 I don't think the microwave really put a dent in that. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:20.200 But the traditional cooking that requires tending and stirring and eating. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.199 Those things still need that stuff. Like if you're making 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.600 a fly, it does need to rise, it does need 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:26.000 to you. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.000 Know, crisp on the top. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.720 And so but this like pressing buttons and something being ready, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:31.760 that was pretty liberating. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.000 It was for some people. It was liberating for a 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.440 lot of people. It was liberating. For other people, it 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.960 felt like of this loss of skill and this loss 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.400 of ritual, you know, the time and the care. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.160 So that was just no longer there. So it was 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.520 kind of an able ledged sword. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.600 Yeah, And like I said, as a latch geek itter 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.040 like coming home by yourself. The microwave also supported this 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.920 idea of individualized eating. I'm going to eat at six 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.360 and you can eat it eight, and shifting. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.920 The idea of really the family dinner. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.400 And you know that it was like the TV the 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.360 TV metal trays, TV dinners, what was it. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.960 What were they called TV dinner, TV dinners? Yeah, they 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.080 were called TV dinners TV dinners, and in the metal trays. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.839 Then you would heat them up and I try to 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.080 heat up on my easy bake oven. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:14.520 Uh. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.840 I was like, I don't want a cupcake, I want meat. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.360 It didn't work. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.680 But this kind of like moving away from the family 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:31.240 dinner was was interesting and uh and it never really 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.079 replaced the oven. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.280 It really didn't know. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.160 Yeah, but it kind of redefined in the eighties. It 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.559 kind of redefined what counted as real cooking. It normalized 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.600 convenience and normalized this individual eating. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.000 It just really changed everything I did. It changed the game. Yeah, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.080 I use it today. 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.559 I only use my microw with today to make popcorn, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.600 which I know, which you shouldn't just. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.959 Because the bags full of stuff. Yeah, the bags I 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.720 guess inside. Yeah, everything's killing I know. I always say 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:04.839 something's gonna kill me. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.160 Let the tachin and valentina that I'm putting on a 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.600 bango that I'm putting on the popcorn. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.319 Definitely that bag. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.360 Right, it's not the hole that I'm putting in my 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:17.960 stomach with all of the acid. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.800 I just used them to reheat coffee. Oh yeah, I do. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.040 That's I do. That's but you know these look at this. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.240 This is my fire the fire King vintage cups. These 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.599 are vintage and old because these are the ones you 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.120 could put in the oven. So house in the nineteen 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.800 fifties people would heat reheat their coffee in the oven, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.160 so these can go in the oven. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.400 No way, I've never seen those. We're doing a. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.400 What do you we're doing when of dinnerware. We're doing 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.199 an episode of that next year for those of you listening. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.360 Eva showing me this beautiful coffee moth that's like Eric scent. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.440 If there doesn't go and everybody knows it. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.880 If you know that it comes in jade and this 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.360 orange eor doesn't color. That's it's called fire King and 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.880 it's a brand that that it was, and they had 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.800 bowls and plates and because you could put them in 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.120 the oven. Wow, I've never seen to the microwave what 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.960 you can only find them like I'm eBay and vintage 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.520 shops and I have a whole coat. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.319 This is what I asked for Christmas. When people are like, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:23.760 what do you want it? 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.120 But go get so people give me like one cup 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.040 one who what is it called again? 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.560 The fire fire King, fire King, I'm gonna look for it. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:33.800 It's beautif. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.240 This revolutionized that the household in the fifties as well. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.200 Okay, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Well let's talk 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.720 about this idea of revolutionizing. So this time about when 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.880 humans first started to cook with fire instead of just 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.560 over fire. So this is way before the easy bake 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:57.440 oven in the microwave. This kind of transformed life humanity. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.720 Really, I've always been fascinated with when humans started cooking 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:02.320 with fire. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.640 Have you broat up Safety Safety and Nukins? Yeah, by Yvonne. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.120 Amazing book though, I mean dense, but like it's the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.440 history of evolution. And then there's like when fire really 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.280 changed our evolution because we started eating meat and we 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.680 started cooking our meat, and so that I've. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.440 Always been fascinated. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.439 And then I've always been fascinated because in Spain, one 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:26.800 of the oldest Dumblans is there. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.120 I mean I went to a restaurant there. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.959 This is the oldest oven of Europe or similar, I 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.280 never know, and it's a restaurant that the restaurant is 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:34.559 built around. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.360 This old looking hole, right, and I was like that 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.640 was the first Like what year was that? 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.240 So I've always been like fascinated about about, you know, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.160 the history of cooking with fire, because we didn't used 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.160 to before fire. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.800 Yeah, but what was it like a million years ago 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.920 or yeah, like prehistory. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.720 I mean evidence of cooking over an opa fire dates 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.880 at least four hundred thousand, but probably up to million 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.640 years ago. And there sites like this Wonderwork Cave in 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.040 South Africa, so just early people were eating or were 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.520 roasting meats and tubers directly on embers. And so this 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:16.240 idea of cooking with fire, using fire to heat containers, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.000 to boil water to bake and enclosed spaces that came 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:25.920 much later. And there's like early pottery found in China 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.200 dating approximately twenty thousand years ago marks this major turning 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.240 point because this allowed people to boil, stew and extract 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.560 nutrients in different ways. And we're going to talk about 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.840 that more when we do our dinnerware thing because this 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.600 idea of the oven and pottery kind of goes hand 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.240 in hand, which is super interesting. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.240 Yeah, but it's interesting because there's fire. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:53.280 Fire changed our species because first it was just to 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:54.680 stay warm, right, like like. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.240 Okay, fire, We're just going to stay warm. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.760 And then there was an era of controlled fire, which 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.720 was like, oh you know, because it was just you know, fire, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.320 and then like controlled use of fire, right, and then 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.800 it was the evidence of cooking. And so it's so 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.480 interesting how like, you know, if you look at these 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.120 these anthropology studies and things like that, whether it is 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:22.040 about pottery or the first dishware that they used to boil, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.880 the discrepancy because some didn't eat, some more just using 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.160 it for like hot water and warmth, and then some 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.120 were way more some species would made more advance. But 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.280 the home or erectus to the neanderthal in to the 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.480 I mean, it's crazy, it's been. It is so fascinating 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.880 to me. You got to read Sapiens. It's okay, one 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:43.800 of the best books ever. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.760 We're going to link to it because yes, there's just 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.680 so much to learn from this and these are things 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.680 that we don't really think about, right. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.520 It's like, oh, the fire. I think about this all 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:54.840 the time. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.520 Yeah, that there was a fire that happened end and 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.240 you've all's booked. It was like a fire that like 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.120 burned the forest and there was remains of animals and 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.720 they saw birds picking at it and eating it and 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.680 they were like oh and that's how they found like, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.920 oh you could cook meat, but you could. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.040 Coascinating animals anyway. Yeah, it's so fascinating. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.080 So yeah, so by I know, it's what this whole 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:21.800 thing is like, oh fire, heat. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:22.400 Oh my gosh. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.640 Run and then oh but look, so there's by about 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:31.320 ten thousand BC there were subtle communities and the place 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.360 that you mentioned in Spain is probably one of these. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.800 There's also a sites in Turkey. So they were building 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.400 permanent ovens. And then this really transformed fire from this 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:47.880 open flame into something controlled and managed, turning cooking and 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.520 simple roasting into something social and something cultural. So this 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.840 completely created this shift in societies, right, It was just 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:03.360 this shift towards agriculture. It expanded with people counted as food, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.720 you know, like you said, oh, like the birds maybe 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.719 we're picking at this cooked meat, and all of a sudden, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.600 it was just it shifted like completely shifted society. 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.800 Yes, and then it shifts to the like the actually 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.439 early ovens, which were the earth ovens Kayla, like we 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.080 talked about a lot in media and the Yukadan and 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.280 the pits underground that are lined with hot stones and 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.679 wood and then they're covered to trap the heat and 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.159 that's that's how they slow roasted food for hours or 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.239 sometimes twenty four hours, sometimes a full day. But just 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:41.720 so these like tabe yeah, yeah, you know, to cook 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.800 you know underground Hawaii, the Polynesian culture like all of this, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.760 like cooking underground hot stones. That really was the first 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.639 evolution of the oven. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.400 And yeah, and there were the first evidence of those 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.880 were at least three thirty thousand years ago. I mean, 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.200 the earth ovens go back like way back. And then 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.920 we have the ten door ovens that are you. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.520 Know later, these are like three thousand BC, and these 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.520 are clay ovens that could reach really really really high 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.280 temperatures and used wood as if fuel, and they gave 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.920 whatever was inside a really smoky flavor. And so then 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.280 it just became about, oh, this tastes really good, This 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.520 wood taste really good. And then you know, in these 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.320 ten door ovens, food cooks really quickly at a really 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.520 really intense heat, so it sears the meat and then 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.760 also keeping it juicy, allowing the fat to drip away. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.480 Lean proteins were made easier to prepare, and then they 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.359 were able to make flatbreads and none, and so we 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.040 see these like faster cooking but also like bold flavors 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.919 and these interesting textures. So it sort of it was 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.840 like first it was like, oh, yes, you know, protein 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.080 and we could cook these different things. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.800 And then it was like, oh, but these things could just. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.760 Also taste really good and feel like feel good in 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:00.840 your mouths, so. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.840 It's super And there was clay ovens. Clay ovens, which 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.960 you know, made bread baking possible, which was a major 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.240 diet shift because then it made grains a true staple 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:19.080 and bread became very central to civilizations. And so yeah, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.359 a lot of but a lot of these early ovens 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.800 used woods as fuels, so the firewood was abundant, and 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.280 controlling sheet relied on on intuition. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.840 Yeah, adding adding wood to. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.159 You know, make it hotter and increase the temperature, letting 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.879 ambers die down to gauge the temperature. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.480 I mean that was just all you know, I think this. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.359 Is right, then it becomes still I mean they still 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.080 do in many parts of the world, but in Mexico 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:52.280 in the north so on, they control the grilling of 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.760 the meat based on wood and the grow going up 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.520 and the grow going closer to the fire, the grow 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.560 going up, and then that's how they those master. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.520 Yeah, yeah, I think so like the masters. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.280 I don't know anyway, I don't know they're calling something 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:23.360 the thrillers. That that grillers, the grillers who are chings. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.320 Those guys they do that. They control the temperature of 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.280 going up and down. It's so interesting. What I found 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.119 fascinating when I went to this restaurant in Spain was 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.720 like they were like, this was the oldest oven in 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.240 Europe or I forget where, and I was like it 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.679 was the it was the oven for the community, like 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.639 people didn't have a home of and it was for 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:47.080 the community and that really helped social life. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.399 So like everybody would just cook at this one spot. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:55.359 Yes, many early towns, like from the ancient Mediterranean to 0:20:55.440 --> 0:21:01.680 Asia to Mesoamerica, people brought their foods, their dough whatever 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:07.040