1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I know, I was thank you know, 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: I see tomatoes on the calendar. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: I know me too. I love I just love that. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 3: I'm I'm learning so much every day, which is like 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: my favorite thing, and then just just sharing it and 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 3: you're as crazy about this stuff as I am. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: So Oh my god. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: My name is Evel Longoria and I am my deraon 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: and Welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast. 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: That explores our past and present through food. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: From our culture. 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: So make yourself at home, even Brichel. I am so 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: excited as usual. Mike and I are talking about how 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: every week we sit down to do these episodes and 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: we just are so excited about the topic every time, 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: every single time. So excited because today's topic is like 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: food adjacent. 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: It is you need it if you're a foodie and 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: if you cook. 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: But I've always been fascinated with like how things evolved 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: into what they are today, and so today's topic is 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: about the oven and the history of the oven. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: Did you have an easy bake oven? I wish it 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: was my dream toy. I never had one. 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: I didn't get it. I never you got you have 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of sisters. I would have imagined, well, that's 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: the thing. 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I got the Flea Mark hand me down version, and 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: you know it came with like one packic to make, 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: like it came with like the one cupcake right that 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: light would make and so I had to like actually 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: make reels. I wanted to make real stuff inside of it. 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: And it's not really strong enough for like repeat using it's. 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: A light bulb. 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: I mean, my dad was always paranoid that I was 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: going to get that I was going to burn myself. 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: He never got it, and it was so heartbreaking. 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: But my next door neighbor had one, and I always 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: every time I went over, I just wanted to do 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: easy bake opan and she's like, no. 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 2: Let's go for a bike ride, let's go whatever, climb trees. 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: And I was like, no, let's bake. But I had 45 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: that let's make everything in there. 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: I put everything in there and it would never cook, right, 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: But it did cook. I mean it was a proper 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: little oven for two second it had this little light. 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Then yeah, I just felt like it was such a 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was such a toy that. 51 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's cool. 52 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: It could teach kids about cooking, but it was really genderized. 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: I feel I felt like it was only for little 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: girls and you know, be a good wife and the 55 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: housewife and go learn on this starter oven, so. 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: You totally prepared for your life. 57 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: Yes, and the marketing was definitely that it came out 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty three. When we think about like nineteen 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: sixties marketing, it's like the mad Men era, right, It's 60 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: all of these men that are just coming up with 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: this stuff. So it first came out in this This 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: sales executive of a toy company called counter Products. He 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: was inspired by New York City pretzel vendors and the 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: little ovens that they had, So his development team designed 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: a light bulb powered toy that would actually work, so 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 3: you could actually bake. 67 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: In these things. Yeah. And so because it heated the 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: little I didn't heat up it did. 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: I didn't think it heated up to three hundred and 70 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: fifty degrees. 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: I didn't think so either, But that was what they 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: were saying, that it heated up. 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: That's what it said. 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why my dad was terrified that I 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: was going to burn myself and yeah, you know, but 76 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: I know it wasn't very hot. 77 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: I remember the reason I didn't get one is because 78 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: it was a high price. It was like sixteen dollars 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: back then, which was like am I for three months 80 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: was twenty dollars or something. So sixteen dollars was pretty 81 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: pricey back then, and it was that'd be like more 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: than one hundred and sixty dollars today. 83 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, can't imagine it was that toy was. 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: It was a curee success and it like sold five 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: hundred thousand units in the first year and so they 86 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: tripled production the following year. But I guess that marketing 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: to the little girls worked. 88 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: It worked. 89 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: It totally worked because if the nineteen sixties, you know, 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: they advertised it on Saturday morning cartoons and she was like, 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: I like, you see, so of course you just want this, 92 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: And it was like their slogan was just like moms, 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: bake your cake and eat it too, and knew it 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: was like pink. 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: And purple, and the packaging. 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: It had the little girl is baking and the little 97 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: boy is consuming. It was very much like this is 98 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 3: your role, so you know who's part of this ad campaign? 99 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: So I turned this like mundane household task of baking 100 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: into something into play, into play. 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was a National Toy Hall 102 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: of Fame. It's so cool. I want to know what else. 103 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: Obviously this is for iconic toy is probably the Barbie 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and the Big Wheel. But the Easy Bake Oven was 105 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: inducted into the National Toy Hall of Fame because it 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: sold twenty three million units. 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: Eight I know it owns it now, hasbro owns it now, 108 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: and now it's a little bit more democratic. It's not 109 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: pink and purple, but there's some blue and some yellow 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: in there. And they're boys and girls that are, you know, baking. 111 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's just it has evolved with the times. 112 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: I will tell you. 113 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: The bigger deal that happened in our household was the 114 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: day we got a micro way. 115 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: Do you remember that? I remember that. That wasn't how 116 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: a big deal. 117 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: I just remember it was like, wow, wow, this little 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: thing can reheat and my aunt in Mexico City would 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: make everything in it and it was just kind of gross. 120 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: But then it's like is this safe? Is it? It's 121 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: just like but it was like a big thing on 122 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: the counter. 123 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: It was like, do you remember when you, because yeah, 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 4: we it was my dad was excited about it, oddly 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: because he you know, we lived on the ranch. 126 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: We ate from the ground, so everything was made from scratch, 127 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: and so when we got it, I was like, yeah, 128 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: but what do you cooking it? Like? I was so 129 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: confusible when it came with a little cookbook and one 130 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: of the first things and there was eggs, and so 131 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: I remember my dad cracking an egg and doing the 132 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: thing and putting it in there. And then and then 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: it you know, changed, and we were like ah, and 134 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: we wouldn't stand near it. 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: Yes, we were like back away, back away. 136 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: And because of that, of that, I never used it, 137 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: and it really just was this black box in our kitchen. 138 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: But my dad was very excited about it. 139 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: And then later it kind of just involved to reheat 140 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: the leftovers we cooked it. 141 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: It was just the reheater. 142 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: I feel like that's how it was in my house 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: from the beginning, to reheater or something that you used 144 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: to make popcorn, right, But that and I feel like 145 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: we we actually talked about the microwave when we did 146 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: our popcorn episode, so it the first micro microwave oven 147 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: was called the Radar Range and it goes all the 148 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: way back. 149 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: To nineteen forty six. 150 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: But it was this huge thing and it was super expensive, 151 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: so it wasn't you know, it wasn't for home use. 152 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: And these early microwave versions were used in hotels and restaurants, 153 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: and it wasn't until this company called Raytheon bought it 154 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: that it became smaller and more affordable. And this is 155 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties, but it didn't really become common 156 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: until the eighties, which is when our families you know, 157 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: got one. And it changed when cooking was supposed to be. 158 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: The whole think about the culture in that moment as well, 159 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: like you know, women are working, uh, kids are. 160 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Latchkey, like that was the other thing that we'd used. 161 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I used to we used to heat heat up like 162 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: butt pockets or something, you know, when we got home 163 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: or something. 164 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, it definitely transformed the household because the way 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: society was changing. Society was changing and it changed like cooking. 166 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: This until then, this whole idea of oh, cooking should 167 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: take time and it should be this whole you know thing. 168 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: What people didn't have time, so it's a sort of 169 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 2: collapsed time. And this idea of speed, its speed became normal, 170 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: you know. 171 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: And also the fact that it doesn't brown or crisp 172 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: like that's that was that's my thing about not cooking. 173 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: And my glass y egg is great. It's jelly like 174 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and it's easy to eat that out of the microwave. 175 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: But that was why early critics complained about it, because 176 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: the boot that you could cook in there was like 177 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: pale or unfinished, and it just was not very aesthetic. 178 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, cooking is a craft too. 179 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the microwave really put a dent in that. 180 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: But the traditional cooking that requires tending and stirring and eating. 181 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: Those things still need that stuff. Like if you're making 182 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: a fly, it does need to rise, it does need 183 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: to you. 184 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: Know, crisp on the top. 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: And so but this like pressing buttons and something being ready, 186 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: that was pretty liberating. 187 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: It was for some people. It was liberating for a 188 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: lot of people. It was liberating. For other people, it 189 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: felt like of this loss of skill and this loss 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: of ritual, you know, the time and the care. 191 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: So that was just no longer there. So it was 192 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: kind of an able ledged sword. 193 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, as a latch geek itter 194 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: like coming home by yourself. The microwave also supported this 195 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: idea of individualized eating. I'm going to eat at six 196 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: and you can eat it eight, and shifting. 197 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: The idea of really the family dinner. 198 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: And you know that it was like the TV the 199 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: TV metal trays, TV dinners, what was it. 200 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: What were they called TV dinner, TV dinners? Yeah, they 201 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: were called TV dinners TV dinners, and in the metal trays. 202 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 2: Then you would heat them up and I try to 203 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: heat up on my easy bake oven. 204 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 205 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want a cupcake, I want meat. 206 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: It didn't work. 207 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: But this kind of like moving away from the family 208 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: dinner was was interesting and uh and it never really 209 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: replaced the oven. 210 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: It really didn't know. 211 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it kind of redefined in the eighties. It 212 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 3: kind of redefined what counted as real cooking. It normalized 213 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: convenience and normalized this individual eating. 214 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: It just really changed everything I did. It changed the game. Yeah, 215 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: I use it today. 216 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: I only use my microw with today to make popcorn, 217 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: which I know, which you shouldn't just. 218 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: Because the bags full of stuff. Yeah, the bags I 219 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: guess inside. Yeah, everything's killing I know. I always say 220 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 2: something's gonna kill me. 221 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Let the tachin and valentina that I'm putting on a 222 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: bango that I'm putting on the popcorn. 223 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: Definitely that bag. 224 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: Right, it's not the hole that I'm putting in my 225 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: stomach with all of the acid. 226 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: I just used them to reheat coffee. Oh yeah, I do. 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: That's I do. That's but you know these look at this. 228 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: This is my fire the fire King vintage cups. These 229 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: are vintage and old because these are the ones you 230 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: could put in the oven. So house in the nineteen 231 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: fifties people would heat reheat their coffee in the oven, 232 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: so these can go in the oven. 233 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: No way, I've never seen those. We're doing a. 234 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: What do you we're doing when of dinnerware. We're doing 235 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: an episode of that next year for those of you listening. 236 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: Eva showing me this beautiful coffee moth that's like Eric scent. 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: If there doesn't go and everybody knows it. 238 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: If you know that it comes in jade and this 239 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: orange eor doesn't color. That's it's called fire King and 240 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: it's a brand that that it was, and they had 241 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: bowls and plates and because you could put them in 242 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: the oven. Wow, I've never seen to the microwave what 243 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: you can only find them like I'm eBay and vintage 244 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: shops and I have a whole coat. 245 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: This is what I asked for Christmas. When people are like, 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: what do you want it? 247 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: But go get so people give me like one cup 248 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: one who what is it called again? 249 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: The fire fire King, fire King, I'm gonna look for it. 250 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: It's beautif. 251 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: This revolutionized that the household in the fifties as well. 252 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: Okay, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Well let's talk 253 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: about this idea of revolutionizing. So this time about when 254 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: humans first started to cook with fire instead of just 255 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: over fire. So this is way before the easy bake 256 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: oven in the microwave. This kind of transformed life humanity. 257 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: Really, I've always been fascinated with when humans started cooking 258 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: with fire. 259 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: Have you broat up Safety Safety and Nukins? Yeah, by Yvonne. 260 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Amazing book though, I mean dense, but like it's the 261 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: history of evolution. And then there's like when fire really 262 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: changed our evolution because we started eating meat and we 263 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: started cooking our meat, and so that I've. 264 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: Always been fascinated. 265 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: And then I've always been fascinated because in Spain, one 266 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: of the oldest Dumblans is there. 267 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: I mean I went to a restaurant there. 268 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: This is the oldest oven of Europe or similar, I 269 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: never know, and it's a restaurant that the restaurant is 270 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: built around. 271 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: This old looking hole, right, and I was like that 272 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: was the first Like what year was that? 273 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: So I've always been like fascinated about about, you know, 274 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: the history of cooking with fire, because we didn't used 275 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: to before fire. 276 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what was it like a million years ago 277 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: or yeah, like prehistory. 278 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: I mean evidence of cooking over an opa fire dates 279 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: at least four hundred thousand, but probably up to million 280 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: years ago. And there sites like this Wonderwork Cave in 281 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: South Africa, so just early people were eating or were 282 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: roasting meats and tubers directly on embers. And so this 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: idea of cooking with fire, using fire to heat containers, 284 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: to boil water to bake and enclosed spaces that came 285 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: much later. And there's like early pottery found in China 286 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: dating approximately twenty thousand years ago marks this major turning 287 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: point because this allowed people to boil, stew and extract 288 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: nutrients in different ways. And we're going to talk about 289 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: that more when we do our dinnerware thing because this 290 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: idea of the oven and pottery kind of goes hand 291 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: in hand, which is super interesting. 292 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's interesting because there's fire. 293 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: Fire changed our species because first it was just to 294 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: stay warm, right, like like. 295 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: Okay, fire, We're just going to stay warm. 296 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: And then there was an era of controlled fire, which 297 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh you know, because it was just you know, fire, 298 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: and then like controlled use of fire, right, and then 299 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: it was the evidence of cooking. And so it's so 300 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: interesting how like, you know, if you look at these 301 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: these anthropology studies and things like that, whether it is 302 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: about pottery or the first dishware that they used to boil, 303 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: the discrepancy because some didn't eat, some more just using 304 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: it for like hot water and warmth, and then some 305 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: were way more some species would made more advance. But 306 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the home or erectus to the neanderthal in to the 307 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, it's been. It is so fascinating 308 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: to me. You got to read Sapiens. It's okay, one 309 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: of the best books ever. 310 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: We're going to link to it because yes, there's just 311 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: so much to learn from this and these are things 312 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: that we don't really think about, right. 313 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, the fire. I think about this all 314 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: the time. 315 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that there was a fire that happened end and 316 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: you've all's booked. It was like a fire that like 317 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: burned the forest and there was remains of animals and 318 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: they saw birds picking at it and eating it and 319 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: they were like oh and that's how they found like, 320 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: oh you could cook meat, but you could. 321 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: Coascinating animals anyway. Yeah, it's so fascinating. 322 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, so by I know, it's what this whole 323 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: thing is like, oh fire, heat. 324 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 325 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: Run and then oh but look, so there's by about 326 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: ten thousand BC there were subtle communities and the place 327 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: that you mentioned in Spain is probably one of these. 328 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: There's also a sites in Turkey. So they were building 329 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: permanent ovens. And then this really transformed fire from this 330 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: open flame into something controlled and managed, turning cooking and 331 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: simple roasting into something social and something cultural. So this 332 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: completely created this shift in societies, right, It was just 333 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: this shift towards agriculture. It expanded with people counted as food, 334 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, like you said, oh, like the birds maybe 335 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 3: we're picking at this cooked meat, and all of a sudden, 336 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: it was just it shifted like completely shifted society. 337 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and then it shifts to the like the actually 338 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: early ovens, which were the earth ovens Kayla, like we 339 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: talked about a lot in media and the Yukadan and 340 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: the pits underground that are lined with hot stones and 341 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: wood and then they're covered to trap the heat and 342 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: that's that's how they slow roasted food for hours or 343 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: sometimes twenty four hours, sometimes a full day. But just 344 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: so these like tabe yeah, yeah, you know, to cook 345 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: you know underground Hawaii, the Polynesian culture like all of this, 346 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: like cooking underground hot stones. That really was the first 347 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: evolution of the oven. 348 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: And yeah, and there were the first evidence of those 349 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: were at least three thirty thousand years ago. I mean, 350 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: the earth ovens go back like way back. And then 351 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: we have the ten door ovens that are you. 352 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: Know later, these are like three thousand BC, and these 353 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: are clay ovens that could reach really really really high 354 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: temperatures and used wood as if fuel, and they gave 355 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: whatever was inside a really smoky flavor. And so then 356 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: it just became about, oh, this tastes really good, This 357 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: wood taste really good. And then you know, in these 358 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: ten door ovens, food cooks really quickly at a really 359 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: really intense heat, so it sears the meat and then 360 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: also keeping it juicy, allowing the fat to drip away. 361 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: Lean proteins were made easier to prepare, and then they 362 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: were able to make flatbreads and none, and so we 363 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: see these like faster cooking but also like bold flavors 364 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 3: and these interesting textures. So it sort of it was 365 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: like first it was like, oh, yes, you know, protein 366 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: and we could cook these different things. 367 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: And then it was like, oh, but these things could just. 368 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: Also taste really good and feel like feel good in 369 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: your mouths, so. 370 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: It's super And there was clay ovens. Clay ovens, which 371 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, made bread baking possible, which was a major 372 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: diet shift because then it made grains a true staple 373 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: and bread became very central to civilizations. And so yeah, 374 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: a lot of but a lot of these early ovens 375 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: used woods as fuels, so the firewood was abundant, and 376 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: controlling sheet relied on on intuition. 377 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, adding adding wood to. 378 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: You know, make it hotter and increase the temperature, letting 379 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: ambers die down to gauge the temperature. 380 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: I mean that was just all you know, I think this. 381 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: Is right, then it becomes still I mean they still 382 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: do in many parts of the world, but in Mexico 383 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: in the north so on, they control the grilling of 384 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: the meat based on wood and the grow going up 385 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: and the grow going closer to the fire, the grow 386 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: going up, and then that's how they those master. 387 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so like the masters. 388 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, I don't know they're calling something 389 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: the thrillers. That that grillers, the grillers who are chings. 390 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Those guys they do that. They control the temperature of 391 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: going up and down. It's so interesting. What I found 392 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: fascinating when I went to this restaurant in Spain was 393 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: like they were like, this was the oldest oven in 394 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Europe or I forget where, and I was like it 395 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: was the it was the oven for the community, like 396 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: people didn't have a home of and it was for 397 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: the community and that really helped social life. 398 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: So like everybody would just cook at this one spot. 399 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: Yes, many early towns, like from the ancient Mediterranean to 400 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: Asia to Mesoamerica, people brought their foods, their dough whatever 401 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: to a shared structure, a shared wood fire structure, and 402 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: so in sits like Pompeii. During the Roman Empire, there 403 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: was you know, we see these the public baking was common. 404 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: There were public ovens and communal ovens required coordination. It 405 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: required community. Some people gathered fuel, someone managed heat, others 406 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: waited their turn, and sort of this waiting period became 407 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: a time for conversation, for exchanging news, for matchmaking. 408 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: It was like this for a time for treesement. 409 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: Right, people were just chatting and getting to know each other, 410 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: and now what are you making and what are you 411 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 3: putting in this? And so you know, baking requires steady, 412 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: retained heat. People often pool their resources, making bread a 413 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: bread day a collective event rather than something private. 414 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: So they not only you know, these communal. 415 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: Events not only cooked the food, but they started to 416 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: structure time and reinforced interdependence. 417 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: So the opposite of the microwave, right. 418 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: Community was literally built around the oven. 419 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: It's like today you have a party. Everybody's in the kitchen. 420 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: In the kitchen, around the barbecue, around the fried turkey. 421 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: Exactly. 422 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 423 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: It's the same. 424 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: The people had changed, but we're exactly it's just what 425 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: we're attracted to is is intrinsically the same. 426 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: So when did coal. 427 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: And gas, uh you know, enter the party and transformed 428 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: ovens because that really changed uh cooking as a science totally. 429 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: So yeah, like we were saying, for most of history, 430 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 3: cooks judged heat by intuition, right the way it look, 431 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 3: the way it sounded, the way it felt. And the 432 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: turning point came in the eighteenth and nineteenth century and 433 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: this is the Industrial Revolution that we just talked about. 434 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: Enclosed coal and gas ovens allowed heat to be regulated 435 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: and measured. So ovens where now not clay, they're now 436 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: made of cast iron, and cast iron retained and radiated 437 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: heat more efficiently and sort of. This combo enabled smaller 438 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: indoor kitchens, removing the reliance on communal ovens, and this 439 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: accelerated urban domestic life. And it also standardized recipes because 440 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: temperatures became more predictable. Eighteen nineteenth century, huge cookbook culture. 441 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: Now we start seeing like the brands and the stores 442 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: and all of this. 443 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: So it just changed the way. 444 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: It also enabled smaller ovens, like smaller indoor It was 445 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: just so easy because it was just you know, like 446 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: the microwave was just a smaller that you could have 447 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: in your house. 448 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: So there's this. 449 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: Guy named Benjamin Thompson, who is this American born who 450 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: became a European nobleman. He's known as Count Rumford. He 451 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 3: was this eighteenth century scientist and inventor, and he kind 452 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: of transformed how we think about cooking. He was in Europe, 453 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: started studying army kitchens and you noticed that open fires 454 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: and traditional stoves wasted heat and fuel. And he applied 455 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 3: this emerging science of thermodynamics and redesigned ovens and fireplaces 456 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: to redistribute eat heat more efficiently and consistently. And by 457 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: doing this, he showed that cooking could be measured and 458 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: controlled rather than left to intuition. And so he was 459 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: super innovated, and his work helped make kitchens safer and 460 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: more fuel efficient and laid the groundwork for cast iron 461 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: ovens and thermostats. 462 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: So we thank him for the thermostat. 463 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: We could thank him for the thermostet exactly, and also cast 464 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: iron stoves and also enclosed ovens, okay. And this eventually made, 465 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: you know, the oven became a symbol of modern domestic life. 466 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 3: And in the later you know, nineteenth and early twentieth century, 467 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: and this is when industrialization, urban utilities and advertising converged. 468 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so this really changed. He changed the game, 469 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: because imagine an oven without a thermostat. 470 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: Forget it. Yeah, so forget it. 471 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think something that really changed domestic life was 472 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: gas lines. When gas lines and electricity, right, but that 473 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: you could actually connect homes to these you know, gas lines. 474 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: And so this was like nineteenth early twentieth century when 475 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: urban utilities became a thing and cities like Blondon on 476 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: New York, these these gas ranges or electric ranges were 477 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: popping up in people's kitchen and it shifted this like 478 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: sloky work site to just a really cleaner, mechanized space. 479 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: And then that's how the uh that that nineteen fifties 480 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: enamel range became, you know, this shorthand for efficiency and 481 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: uh and upward mobility too, Like I still come it 482 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: that uh that that old enamel range that was just 483 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: so beautiful, and it became like this tool that symbolized modernity, 484 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: stability and just like, uh, encourage a domestic domestic life. 485 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: It was like the fantasy of domestic life. 486 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 3: Those enamelal ovens that there's nothing more beautiful. And those 487 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: actually when I first moved to La my apartment had 488 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: one of those ovens, and it was the most beautiful 489 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: thing ever. It broke down. My landword was like, well, 490 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: if you want it, you need to fix it. It's 491 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: like I was renting, and of course I couldn't afford 492 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: to fix it, Like what am I gonna do with it? 493 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: And he didn't fix it. 494 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: And I came home one day and he had replaced 495 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 3: it with the ugliest, like no name, like horrible thing, 496 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 3: and I literally. 497 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: Cried because it was the most beautiful thing. 498 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 3: And so these evans emerged in the twenties and thirties, 499 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: and they became this sort of stage to fantasy of 500 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: modern life. You know, in these after the First World 501 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 3: War companies like General Electic and Westinghouse and Magic Chef, 502 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: they began producing these porcelain enamel ranges and whites. 503 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: And soft pastels and super. 504 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: Glossy They're so stunning, they're beautiful, they're practical, and they're 505 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 3: also aspirational, right they're clean. Then this idea of this 506 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 3: spotless white kitchen became a signal of discipline and hygiene 507 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: and scientific class, uranity and class. 508 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we have the rise of the modern woman. 509 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying about, you know, nineteen twenties 510 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: and thirties saw this like marketing the clients is to 511 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: the modern woman, and all this advertisements promised all this 512 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: like leisure and elegance. If you have this stove, you're 513 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, more efficient, and it just 514 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: suggested that domestic labor could be transformed into this like 515 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: go Adams activity, if you bought this stone romance and 516 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: what I. 517 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: Feel like that sometimes I feel that way if I 518 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: had that snow look at my stove. God, I know, 519 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: when I walked into. 520 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: That apartment, I was like, oh, I got this is. 521 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 3: The most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And it also 522 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: part of the kind of Art Deco movement of the 523 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: design movements of the of that time period. These curved 524 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: edges and chrome and these not these bold knobs and symmetry. 525 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: They kind of look like giant radios or like automobiles, 526 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: and it was sort of the same design as skyscrapers. 527 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: It was this beauty equaled progress even during the Great Depression. 528 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: So manufacturers understood that when money was tight, even when 529 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: money was tight, aspiration intensified, and this enamel range could 530 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: transform just a modern kitchen wherever you were, something that 531 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: felt wow, glamorous, well cosmopolitan and. 532 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: Then like so interesting because then because because the stove 533 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: was no longer just utilitarian and it became part of 534 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: the homes identity, there was a shift to you know, 535 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: how advertisers sold ovens is like happiness and femininity, but 536 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: also to the architecture and fore plans of houses like 537 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: now the kitchen was a showroom and so they're in 538 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: his company like ge and Westinghouse, and they would just 539 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: fill magazines with this like bright spotless kitchens and a 540 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: smiling woman was there during something on the stove and 541 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: with her little apron, with her apron, it was just 542 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: making you have a better life as a wife and 543 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: a mother. I mean this was very obviously genderized advertising, 544 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: but temperature dials, you know, were also framed as like 545 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: scientific motherhood should suggest feel like if you had precise heat, 546 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: you can make a perfect cake, which in tito make 547 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: you the perfect wife. And so this marketing, this marketing 548 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: was just you know, beautified domestic labor because of this 549 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: technology which tried to tie a woman's identity and to 550 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: to and her worse to that, and so it worked, 551 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, in the nineteen twenties and thirties. But then 552 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: we saw, you know, a shift later on. I guess 553 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the timeline of Ovens bringing that restaurant esta. 554 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Steep, that's my jam. I do love it. I 555 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: do love it. I mean, that's my jem now. 556 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: And also open kitchen, like you know, the wife just 557 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: go away and make the cake and then bring it 558 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: out and present it to the world, you know, to 559 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: the kid to present it to her guest. Now it's 560 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: like open kitchen and. 561 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: It's almost like the whole yeah, like the community, you know, 562 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: it's like the home is now in the community. 563 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: So yes, this that's what now. 564 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: I like, oh my god when I see like a 565 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: Wolf or a Viking of it, and I'm just like, I drool, 566 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: like I want one of those. But this is an 567 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: interesting shift. By the late twentieth century, kitchen stop trying 568 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: to look pretty. They wanted to look powerful. They started 569 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: to look powerful, and brands like Wolf and Viking they 570 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 3: helped redefine what aspiration looks like. Instead of these pastel 571 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: enamel or white enamel and chrome and curves, they offered 572 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: power and weight and stainless steel. And then the nineteen 573 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: nineties brought the Food Network and the rise of celebrity chefs, 574 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 3: and cooking became a performance and so it's different like 575 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: restaurant ranges are built for super high heat, multiple burners, 576 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: visible flames, and like durability over decoration. And when companies 577 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: like Viking became and marketing true commercial style ranges for 578 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: residential kitchens, all of a sudden, hotter, bigger, more metal 579 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 3: became better. And it was this gender shift, right, So 580 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't oh, the woman clean, you know, it was like, oh, 581 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: it became masculinized. The white enammel promised ease, and stainless 582 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: steel promised intensity. So the feminized aesthetic of the kitchen 583 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 3: of earlier decades was really just erased. 584 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: It was just this shift. 585 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: And also, of course the open concept really amplified this shift. 586 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 1: And so that brings us to any this smart ovens. 587 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: What's a smart oven? I've never heard from this. 588 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: Smart evans are like this new thing, and they're connected 589 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 3: to Wi Fi, so they're allowed you to control and 590 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: monitor cooking remotely, like on your phone or via voice commands. 591 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: The smart event has this promise that meals are perfectly timed, 592 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 3: they're easy to monitor, they're guided by built in technology. 593 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm I don't like them because. 594 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: I don't I've never seen me. Yeah yeah, like, yeah, 595 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: I don't like it for those part. It's too much 596 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: of the future. Yeah, I want I want either my 597 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: enamel an enamel stove or like a beautiful viking or 598 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 3: maybe somebody needs to come up with some sort of 599 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: in between. But yeah, this smartphone thing, it's smart oven thing. 600 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. 601 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: They have everything they have they have refrigerators that are 602 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: like that. 603 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: It's it's just it's just too much. It's just too much. Well, 604 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: what is your favorite thing to make in the oven? 605 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: Oh? 606 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: I I love to bake in the oven, but I 607 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: would say that my favorite thing to make is like 608 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: like a stew or like like a few weeks ago, 609 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: when it was pouring rain in La, I made short 610 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: ribs and this like oh, clicking something for hours and 611 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: hours and hours and walking into the house and smelling 612 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 3: the cooking food and the meat and that it just 613 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: feels so cozy. That is probably what I love to 614 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: make in the oven. Like a really like a like 615 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: this idea of a super tough meat I made of 616 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: meat that's just like falls apart. 617 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: What about Yeah, I'm everything I do everything in the oven. Everything. 618 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: Like I said, I would eat at my coffee and 619 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: the oven if I could, and I can't. 620 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: No, I love the other. The oven is like vital 621 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: to me. 622 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: Actually, oh we need two or three ovens, O this 623 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: and that and then yeah, but like forget about it. 624 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: Like me, I think we're roasting a chicken or a turkey. 625 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: That's my favorite. 626 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh, roasting a chicken. Oh, that's so good. Thanks for listening, everybody, 627 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: leave us some comments. Tell us what First of all, 628 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: if you had an easy bake oven, yes, send us 629 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: send us pictures of your. 630 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: Easy bake ovens, and what your favorite thing is to 631 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: cook in the oven. 632 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. Yes, share your favorite thing? 633 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: Do you cook lazag angela? That's meatloaf? What do you 634 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: love to meet? Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks by y'all. 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