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Speaker 2: I'm ready to get You want to give us some
Speaker 2: news before we get into our main subject. I do.
Speaker 1: I don't have the sound My soundboard died.
Speaker 2: Can you approximate it?
Speaker 1: Tie breaking news?
Speaker 2: I think we nailed it. We're like the guy oh now,
Speaker 2: I forget his name, Michael something from police Academy. That's
Speaker 2: a very old reference at this point in time. But
Speaker 2: we do have some news. So the playoff not expanding yet.
Speaker 2: We have a timetable.
Speaker 1: Screeching halt sounds at the ready, yesuse it sounds like
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. I did my best to skim
Speaker 1: the rather long Heather Dinnish article. Okay, fair, she does
Speaker 1: a great job.
Speaker 2: Awesome job.
Speaker 1: It appears as if the ACC has some reservations, particularly Clemson.
Speaker 2: Sort of yeah, it's it's more of first of all,
Speaker 2: capital T capital A. The alliance was not a part
Speaker 2: of the previous conversation. Of course, Georgie k coming in
Speaker 2: as the new commissioner in the PAC twelve was shadowing
Speaker 2: Larry Scott during the conversations about twelve team expansion, But
Speaker 2: in those meetings, not every commissioner was present. And of
Speaker 2: course Jim Phillips, the commissioner of the ACC, he is
Speaker 2: brand new as well, and so Kevin Warren relatively new
Speaker 2: in his own right in the Big Ten. So there
Speaker 2: is that concern because some of these commissioners are saying, look,
Speaker 2: what does this look like for the athletes? What does
Speaker 2: this look like with relation to nil? What does this
Speaker 2: look like in terms of expansion expansion of the sports schedule?
Speaker 2: And the Jim Phillips thing is he referenced talking to
Speaker 2: coaches who were unanimous and not wanting expansion, even though
Speaker 2: Pitt would have been in this past year if they
Speaker 2: had adhered to a conference champion model, and Clemson players specifically,
Speaker 2: per Jim Phillips, were not in favor of playing more games,
Speaker 2: which is not necessarily where this is all going if
Speaker 2: the regular season schedule is altered in some way. So
Speaker 2: I think the sentiment was, we're cool with expansion, but
Speaker 2: let's figure out how it can work for everybody, and
Speaker 2: everybody not necessarily meaning conference commissioners, but everybody coaching and
Speaker 2: playing and involved in scheduling and making this happen. From
Speaker 2: an administrative and competitive standpoint, so that, I guess is
Speaker 2: the point. Though it seems like expansion is inevitable, there
Speaker 2: are now factions and conversations around the margins about how
Speaker 2: this is all going to work. That has pushed it
Speaker 2: pushed things back to a place of I don't know,
Speaker 2: questionable scheduling, questionable scheduling the current I don't know when
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. Yeah, the current.
Speaker 1: Format ends in what two years? Twenty twenty five, right,
Speaker 1: And so many of these early discussions I think are
Speaker 1: trying to go to a place where they could change
Speaker 1: it before then. But I think we're at a point
Speaker 1: one way or the other where they're gonna expand the playoff.
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. It's just a matter of when
Speaker 1: is it going to happen and works like yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and what it looks like. Is it going to happen
Speaker 1: before that twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six, whenever
Speaker 1: it is, or is it going to happen after all?
Speaker 1: Along there has been speculation media rights and what does
Speaker 1: it mean if they do it before versus after? It
Speaker 1: all goes to ESPN. If it's before, if it's after,
Speaker 1: they can chop it up. It seems there's a desire
Speaker 1: to chop it. There's like a whole slew of media
Speaker 1: related things that are involved here, but we haven't even
Speaker 1: gotten to that stage. Is what I think I took
Speaker 1: away from this. What we're still kind of squabbling over
Speaker 1: is where are we playing the games? How many games?
Speaker 1: I saw Jim Phillips, he had some thoughtful comments, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, with regard to players safety and health and
Speaker 1: playing the extra games. And I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: ask all those questions. I don't fault him for wanting
Speaker 1: to get answers to those beforehand.
Speaker 2: We will get there.
Speaker 1: It just may not happen as quickly as we were
Speaker 1: led to believe earlier this year when this working committee
Speaker 1: came back with the twelve team expansion idea or ideas.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. Yeah, it just all rubs me the
Speaker 2: wrong way, Tym. I've been somewhat consistent in this, Like,
Speaker 2: I know it's inevitable, I know it's happening. I know
Speaker 2: I will personally adjust, but I am still of the
Speaker 2: mind that this is not all the point of college football,
Speaker 2: that this shaping and growing of January in the sport.
Speaker 2: Like I understand everybody wants to find a national champion. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: I'm along for that, but that we are focusing so
Speaker 2: much and we're pouring so much into it when such
Speaker 2: so few teams actually have a chance of winning it,
Speaker 2: especially now that they're gonna have to win two or
Speaker 2: three games to win the whole thing, three four, whatever,
Speaker 2: however many games it's going to go to that, I
Speaker 2: think we're losing sight of the appeal and charm and
Speaker 2: the differentiating factors of the sport. Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: you ever go to a pro stadium and you know,
Speaker 2: like they build up the area around the stadium. There's
Speaker 2: like a yard house, you know, all those types of places. Like,
Speaker 2: are we just turning college football into a yard house?
Speaker 2: We're losing all of the like interesting unique local bars
Speaker 2: and restaurants, and we're all just dining at the places
Speaker 2: within three hundred and forty four feet of like the
Speaker 2: city this sends Bank Stadium or something, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying that Like we're just focusing on just like
Speaker 2: the big box element of January college football, and we're
Speaker 2: just like, I don't know, this just doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: the point of the sport.
Speaker 1: At all.
Speaker 2: And that's just me, I suppose, because obviously I'm in
Speaker 2: the minority here. But I don't know all of these stories.
Speaker 2: Just like God, we're thinking about January some more. This
Speaker 2: is what this is what we want from the sport. Okay, cool?
Speaker 2: And it just I don't know. Bums me out. I
Speaker 2: know what's happening. I know it's inevitable. I'll get on
Speaker 2: board in the way that I can, But I don't know, Ty,
Speaker 2: does this do it for you? Is this really doing
Speaker 2: it for you? That's a leading question.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of playing first round playoff games
Speaker 1: on campus. Sure, I don't know if that will happen,
Speaker 1: but at least that very specific aspect of some of
Speaker 1: the plans that have been floated, that very specific aspect
Speaker 1: is of incredible interest to me.
Speaker 2: I would love to see that.
Speaker 1: I think that would very much play into what you're
Speaker 1: just that nuance, the uniqueness of college football having games
Speaker 1: on campus.
Speaker 2: Right, Are they gonna do it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that's something that
Speaker 1: they can agree to. Everybody seems wedded to the bowl
Speaker 1: system as it stands. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take the side on that. I just would love to
Speaker 1: see more games on campus. I think that's the one
Speaker 1: thing you and I can agree on. Beyond that, though,
Speaker 1: how they structure it, how teams get in, how deep
Speaker 1: into January this thing goes. It's also fair to ask
Speaker 1: those questions because for as much as we paid attention
Speaker 1: to the Alabama versus Georgia National Championship game, and for
Speaker 1: as much as I know that it was a big
Speaker 1: deal to watch that game on January tenth for most
Speaker 1: of the people who listen to the show, I also
Speaker 1: know there are a fair amount of folks who, after
Speaker 1: their team played their bowl game, presumably before January tenth,
Speaker 1: they were like, no, I'm good, I'm not gonna stay up.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stay up to watch the SEC championship
Speaker 1: game again. Just let me know what happens after the
Speaker 1: fact ESPN dot com, cbssports dot Com, and I'll be
Speaker 1: good with that. The same was true to an extent
Speaker 1: with the playoff right if your team wasn't in it,
Speaker 1: we saw ratings were down, and I could talk as
Speaker 1: much as I want about playing games in New Year's
Speaker 1: even what that means, But I just think they need
Speaker 1: to find some way to keep interest high. If they're
Speaker 1: going to really invest heavily into this twelve team model,
Speaker 1: now I'm all for it. I'm okay with it. I
Speaker 1: think at least initially, there will be interest in seeing
Speaker 1: what happens in those first two rounds.
Speaker 2: Everybody's getting participation trophies, right, that's the whole point of this.
Speaker 2: Allow more teams to participate with the same exact outcomes. Right,
Speaker 2: It's a participation trophy event coming to the sport we love.
Speaker 1: But they have not proven to me, through at least
Speaker 1: this first version of playoff expansion, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it that, when they went to four teams, they
Speaker 1: have not proven that they can drive that interest through
Speaker 1: a final four round, let alone a final twelve. I
Speaker 1: think the interest will be higher in a final twelve,
Speaker 1: probably more so than a final four.
Speaker 2: But maybe they have not proven. The powers that.
Speaker 1: Be have not proven that they have a good way
Speaker 1: to make the college football watching public very interested, as
Speaker 1: interested as they would like in that.
Speaker 2: Final four round.
Speaker 1: And so i'm they got to figure that part out.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it's marketing, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's by including more teams, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to expand at twelve. You've got
Speaker 1: to prove out that the interest is going to be
Speaker 1: as high as you want it to be.
Speaker 2: I am not bright enough, and please let me be
Speaker 2: the first to announce this. I'm not bright enough to
Speaker 2: understand TV ratings, what it all means, what to extrapolate
Speaker 2: from down ratings, from up ratings, how streaming numbers are
Speaker 2: involved or not involved, or people watching in groups or
Speaker 2: at bars or whatever. I don't know any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's not what I do. But it seems like with
Speaker 2: the playoff, people were super excited in twenty fourteen fifteen, right,
Speaker 2: that was the first season we get Oregon, Floria State, Alabama,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Oregon. Excuse me, Oregon. Who do they play? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oregon Ohio State in the National Championship. I think that
Speaker 2: was the highest rated game. And like it has just
Speaker 2: slowly fallen off every year, like people are excited for
Speaker 2: something new and then like the reality of the situation
Speaker 2: sets in and you're just like, oh, these are the
Speaker 2: teams built to win it every year. I just something
Speaker 2: tells me we're in for that with the twelve teamer
Speaker 2: that you know, the sport grows during the regular season
Speaker 2: and shrinks in the postseason, and we're having the people,
Speaker 2: the same people decide on this postseason that have been
Speaker 2: deciding on all of the postseasons, the commissioners and Bill
Speaker 2: Hancock and all these people, And I just think it's
Speaker 2: going to go that way, like there's going to be
Speaker 2: an inevitability to whatever this playoff becomes. That is going
Speaker 2: to sort of further steer like college football should be
Speaker 2: like this sport or like that sport instead of college
Speaker 2: football just being college football, right with trying to maximize
Speaker 2: what the regular season is, instead of saying what January is, like, Oh,
Speaker 2: we should get twelve teams or sixteen teams and be
Speaker 2: like a Sweet sixteen like college basketball or like the NFL,
Speaker 2: and like playing at home stadiums in the cold and
Speaker 2: get this team from Florida to a midwestern place and
Speaker 2: see how they play. Okay, cool, it's just going farther
Speaker 2: and farther, further and further away from I think what
Speaker 2: a lot of people or most people actually love about
Speaker 2: the sport. So I don't know, we'll see happy to
Speaker 2: be proven wrong, but it doesn't seem like people are
Speaker 2: into postseason college football for a national championship at the moment.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll change when Pitt and Wisconsin and Baylor are playing.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it will.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hard for me to see.
Speaker 1: Right in, let us know your thought, soliverbo atmail dot com.
Speaker 2: My hunch is that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of varying opinions on this for a
Speaker 1: very subject. My opinion varies from day to day. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I've always been a playoff guy. I'm all in favor
Speaker 1: of twelve teams. But you can't help but be a
Speaker 1: little bit skeptical that this thing is going to end
Speaker 1: up being great for college football when you hear some
Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes sure conjecture, right, It's just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's skepticism abound as to what it would do,
Speaker 1: what it would mean, how it would help, how it
Speaker 1: might hurt. The only way we're ultimately going to find
Speaker 1: out is when they put this thing into effect, whether
Speaker 1: it's an hour or later, and it will happen.
Speaker 2: But right in, by the way, thoughts, more money, way,
Speaker 2: more money for players would go a long way from
Speaker 2: me in appreciating any sort of expansion.
Speaker 1: That's all, Okay, we'll leave it at that. What else
Speaker 1: do we have around the world of college football very
Speaker 1: quickly before we get into our game.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of more money for other people beyond players,
Speaker 2: Kirk ference is now making seven million dollars a season,
Speaker 2: which is not an unheard of amount of money for
Speaker 2: a relatively successful coach, which he is. He made the
Speaker 2: Big Ten championship game this year. He's extended through twenty
Speaker 2: twenty nine. On the heels of I looked it up.
Speaker 2: Iowa had the one hundred and fourth most efficient scoring
Speaker 2: offense this year under his son, one hundred and fourth.
Speaker 2: I think he's cracked a top fifty points per drive
Speaker 2: offense once in the past ten years.
Speaker 1: So if that's.
Speaker 2: Worth seven mil, that's worth seven mil. And he dissolved
Speaker 2: the like Diversity council that he was spearheading that was
Speaker 2: on the council recommended that they move into a new
Speaker 2: direction with both hiring a new ad and new head
Speaker 2: football coach. So yeah, those are the goings on in
Speaker 2: Iowa City right now. Sucks. I guess if you're an
Speaker 2: Iowa fan looking for a new look Iowa offense.
Speaker 1: Not a great looked in, No, not a great look
Speaker 1: at all. But Kirk Farrens is sticking around until thirty
Speaker 1: twenty nine whenever it is, and I hopefully he can
Speaker 1: make some changes on offense. I don't know, he's not
Speaker 1: going to it's his kid, but no bringing.
Speaker 2: More cousins more to run things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody needs to offer Brian Farren's a job elsewhere
Speaker 1: to like run his own thing.
Speaker 2: Sure, like a Kinko's. What what kind of job are
Speaker 2: you talking about?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that was always the thing with
Speaker 1: Jay Paterno at Penn State, right.
Speaker 2: There are always jokes like, hey, are there.
Speaker 1: Any rich boosters who can offer this guy a job
Speaker 1: doing something else? Or do you own like a semi
Speaker 1: pro team that perhaps you could put him in charge of,
Speaker 1: just to get him out of that coordinator role.
Speaker 2: A reht Bomar no show car dealership job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that booster is at Iowa to
Speaker 2: be like, hey, buddy, you want to you want to
Speaker 2: sell medical parts, you want to sell you want to
Speaker 2: sell any sort of equipment that people and you just
Speaker 2: don't have to do it. You just show up and
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I'm Brian, what would you like to
Speaker 2: know about what it's like to stand on the field
Speaker 2: at Kinnick and hopefully you can move some catheters.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So that's Iowa football right now. We've got transfers, we've
Speaker 2: got NFL declarations. George is gonna look very different next year,
Speaker 2: and by golly, I think they're still gonna be talented ty,
Speaker 2: By golly, I think they're gonna field a good team.
Speaker 2: But like the headline names, James Cook, Nacobe Dean Jordan
Speaker 2: Davis obviously has gone, George Pickens, DeVante Wyatt lewis seen
Speaker 2: who was so good all season long at safety, So
Speaker 2: they're gonna look very different. They've had some transfers at corner,
Speaker 2: I believe, but I saw Nolan Smith, the edge rusher
Speaker 2: outside linebacker. He announced he's returning. Stetson Bennett expected to return.
Speaker 2: That they're just gonna look very different, but I don't
Speaker 2: anticipate a giant drop off. I don't believe they're gonna
Speaker 2: be national championship contenders, but who knows, ty, come on,
Speaker 2: they're one of like the six teams that can win
Speaker 2: it all most years, So who am I to say? Okay?
Speaker 1: Any other news?
Speaker 2: Jhalil Billingsley to Texas following old offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian
Speaker 2: Drew Sanders, the BAMA linebacker. Bama's lost a few kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: There's no way to keep up. Like Caleb Williams. The
Speaker 2: time of this recording, Mida Monday has not signed anywhere,
Speaker 2: though Mario Williams is now former receiver at Oklahoma, is
Speaker 2: going to sc Jackson Dart, the freshman USC quarterback who
Speaker 2: entered the portal, is deciding allegedly between Ole Miss and
Speaker 2: A and m or excuse me, Ole Miss and Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: And I think you had some thoughts like why would
Speaker 2: he consider Oklahoma when Gabriel's there? Yeah? I mean what
Speaker 2: am I missing? Why?
Speaker 1: I understand that there is an appeal with Jeff Levy, Right,
Speaker 1: I get that, and that's why Dylan Gabriel went there, right,
Speaker 1: they're trying to I get that. I understand that. What
Speaker 1: I don't understand for the life of me is why,
Speaker 1: if you're Jackson Dart, why would you go into a
Speaker 1: situation like that? Why would you sign up for a
Speaker 1: situation right where there's already a very obvious starter who
Speaker 1: is signed on to play at Oklahoma and you know
Speaker 1: that from day one you're going to be in a
Speaker 1: fierce competition to get playing time.
Speaker 2: I understand these guys you have, like a down quarter
Speaker 2: they're calling for the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that if you are a quarterback recruit
Speaker 1: at that level, you are supremely confident in your own abilities.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you shouldn't seek out some level of competition,
Speaker 1: but this is a one time transfer rule.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go, and if you want
Speaker 1: to get immediate eligibility, and presumably if you want to
Speaker 1: be an NFL quarterback and get the most out of
Speaker 1: your college experience, why would you not go into a
Speaker 1: situation where there is less resistance. You know, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: wants to talk the game, and everybody wants to beat
Speaker 1: out the next best guy and prove their metal at
Speaker 1: the college level. That's very admirable. Go where you're going
Speaker 1: to get playing time. Go to Ole Miss. Ole Miss
Speaker 1: is fine. You will do well at Ole Miss. You
Speaker 1: can play for Charlie Weish junior and Lane Kiffin, and
Speaker 1: you can leave in two years. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Charlie West Junior's got up his sleeve, but nonetheless, there's
Speaker 1: a lot less resistance at Old Miss than there is.
Speaker 2: At at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: What are you doing goosing? It's fine, it's great. You
Speaker 1: loved your time in Oxford? Great, right, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: fun time. I don't I don't believe Jackson Dart will
Speaker 1: be tailgating in the way that I was tailgating when
Speaker 1: I was twenty three years old or however old. I
Speaker 1: was with a bunch of college girls and sun dresses,
Speaker 1: and it was a very different experience for me that
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would be friendy ole Miss quarterback tailgating.
Speaker 1: I suppose you're attending that school.
Speaker 2: So, uh, he might really like Oklahoma. He might really
Speaker 2: like Brent Venables. He would be playing behind an offensive
Speaker 2: line coach by one of the what best three, if
Speaker 2: not the best offensive.
Speaker 1: But what he won't play until next year? Right? You
Speaker 1: think he's gonna beat out Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, so Jackson Dart attends USC with
Speaker 2: another blue chip quarterback and beat him out Miller Moss
Speaker 2: for the backup job behind Keaton Slovas. So on a
Speaker 2: certain level, they're like, you gotta bet on yourself, right,
Speaker 2: Like ole Miss is still bringing in quarterbacks. Ole Miss
Speaker 2: might bring in a five star, like they might bring
Speaker 2: in arch Manning, Like this is a landscape now where
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna go where field,
Speaker 2: where it feels right, where the coaches are the best
Speaker 2: at developing quarterbacks, and of course that's where all the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks want to go. So Jackson Dart, I don't know
Speaker 2: him personally, don't really know people that know him all
Speaker 2: that well, but you have to assume that he feels
Speaker 2: pretty good about his chances about starting wherever he goes
Speaker 2: based on the interest that he's received since entering the portal,
Speaker 2: Like where would he like, should he go to cal
Speaker 2: and be the next average you know, play behind an
Speaker 2: average offensive line and not throw to NFL receivers? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, what are you supposed to do? I
Speaker 2: understand that it's a should he go to Michigan and
Speaker 2: like try to beat out Cade McNamara and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: What's the move? It's a fluid situation, yeah, pretty much
Speaker 1: all day every day now in college football between the
Speaker 1: nil stuff and the transfer rule and just it's different, right,
Speaker 1: It's different than it was five years ago, ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I get that it's fluid. I get that it's a
Speaker 1: moving target. I get that there is no silver bullet.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Like Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel is
Speaker 1: a good example. Dylan Gabriel, Yeah, decided to go to
Speaker 1: Oklahoma after he saw that there was an opening with
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams leaving Sure all right, he took this philosophy
Speaker 1: of Hey, first off, there was a relationship there with
Speaker 1: Jeff Levit, it made sense that he'd want to go
Speaker 1: there and play for him. But as soon as he
Speaker 1: found out there was an opening, he pulled back his
Speaker 1: commitment to UCLA and decided he was going to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Path of these resistance.
Speaker 1: If you have the one time transfer, don't burn it
Speaker 1: on like a dream. Burn it on a place where
Speaker 1: you can go and play, and hopefully, if you want
Speaker 1: to play in the league, give yourself the most area,
Speaker 1: the best opportunity to do so. I just the betting
Speaker 1: on your on yourself thing makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: You have to do that on sub level, but don't
Speaker 1: be stupid about it.
Speaker 2: Go where you're gonna play, but everywhere you go there
Speaker 2: is going to be a quarterback of the future or
Speaker 2: another quarterback behind you. That fans are going to clamor
Speaker 2: for that coaches are going to consider if you struggle,
Speaker 2: if he had stayed at USC, He's like I can
Speaker 2: beat out Kayleb Williams like, and you though, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the solution is, Like you either go
Speaker 2: somewhere where there aren't there isn't talent around you and
Speaker 2: the coaches don't have a track record of developing NFL
Speaker 2: caliber quarterbacks, or someplace that has lost a bunch of
Speaker 2: guys to the portal for whatever reason, or that they
Speaker 2: don't have faith in their current quarterback of the future.
Speaker 2: But all of these places, because of transfers, because of
Speaker 2: you know, everything going on the movement in the sport,
Speaker 2: they're all going to load up at quarterback.
Speaker 1: But then why not just stay at USC if you're
Speaker 1: so confident, Just stay at USC and beat out.
Speaker 2: Whoever they bring in. Because he probably believes and rightfully so,
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, if he's coming to USC is already Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley's guy, already has a leg up on the Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley system, already is in with the Lincoln Riley guys
Speaker 2: in way of life.
Speaker 1: Well, what about he probably me Jeff Dylan Gabriel is
Speaker 1: a Lebby guy.
Speaker 2: Well Leby was old missed, though there was at least
Speaker 2: some sort of space there, And I, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Ty, you might just go to a school
Speaker 2: where you're like, this place feels like home, right this place,
Speaker 2: see I'm looking out. Maybe they have everything.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm too cynical at this stage in the game.
Speaker 1: But guys are getting money, guys are going place as
Speaker 1: they're transferring like never before because they want to play
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Sure, and so feels like home. You know,
Speaker 1: you can make any place feel like home if you're
Speaker 1: getting seven figures, or if you're getting a good nil deal,
Speaker 1: or if you've got people in your ear telling me
Speaker 1: the right stuff. So I only half buy that. In
Speaker 1: most cases, I just don't. I don't get decision making.
Speaker 2: So ole Miss is the obvious choice for you to
Speaker 2: play for Lane Kiff. With Matt Crow moving on to
Speaker 2: the NFL. Ole Miss has a new offensive coordinator or
Speaker 2: not that it's not Lane Kiffin's offense, and Charlie weis junior.
Speaker 2: They lost a bunch of I think lost some offensive
Speaker 2: skill talent to the draft. I just I at least
Speaker 2: Brent Venables has like its fresh eyes right, that he
Speaker 2: himself is not necessarily loyal to Dylan Gabriel or Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart either way, that I guess is the case. Like
Speaker 2: right now, is there any other school where you're like,
Speaker 2: oh man, why not go here? Why not go to
Speaker 2: North Carolina unless you believe in Drake may is at
Speaker 2: the quarterback of the future, Like why not go to
Speaker 2: Like what's the school? What are the other options? Right now?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Don't ask me. I don't don't go to Stanford.
Speaker 2: Their offense, they were producing NFL level quarterbacks and now
Speaker 2: they're not. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I don't get it. There
Speaker 1: is another very high profile quarterback that has transferred into
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and now you are going to go there too again.
Speaker 1: One time rule you could transfer rule, but that you
Speaker 1: know that gets murky. One time rule, make it worth it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe Dylan Gabriel's I think what he broke his classical
Speaker 2: Maybe he's got a bum collarbone that like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: he's not throwing right, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just speculating. I'm completely guessing that there's some reason
Speaker 2: that he feels like he could win a job anywhere,
Speaker 2: and those are the places that appeal to him. If
Speaker 2: I were him. If I were him, I would look
Speaker 2: up who the best offensive line coaches are in the country.
Speaker 2: After what Keidan's Slovas was like on the you know,
Speaker 2: under constant pressure at USC. I don't blame him for that.
Speaker 2: USC couldn't develop that many. I think they had a
Speaker 2: couple of offensive line draft picks, But I don't blame
Speaker 2: him for looking at it like that. I look forward
Speaker 2: to seeing where he goes. I look forward to following
Speaker 2: his career. He looks like Anakin Skywalker, right, that's his thing.
Speaker 1: That That is literally why he does the EyeBlack thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, that's literally why. So all right, we've
Speaker 1: got a fun game planned for today. Yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be logging onto the internet. Dan, can you please play
Speaker 1: that sound for me? Of course, there it is. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows this sound unless you are a youth. So a
Speaker 1: gen z our bod modems are dialed in. We are
Speaker 1: hardwired now into the good old fashioned interwebs. For as
Speaker 1: long as I can remember, for as long as you
Speaker 1: can remember, message boards have powered the college football community.
Speaker 1: It is truly one of the things that has made
Speaker 1: college football unique. Every sport has it, college football takes
Speaker 1: it to something of a different level. Yes, Over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, there have been a variety of
Speaker 1: social media accounts that have popped up to track some
Speaker 1: of the oddities that transpire in this very secular or
Speaker 1: these very secular college football ecosystems. One that you and
Speaker 1: I have grown particularly fond of is called message board
Speaker 1: Geniuses Accurate treasurer at board geniuses on Twitter. We're big
Speaker 1: fans of the work. They don't know that we're doing this, But.
Speaker 2: Is that boa r D or b o r e D.
Speaker 1: It could be the hand Yeah, that's true. I believe
Speaker 1: it's just bo ar D genius, Okay. And what they
Speaker 1: do is they capture some of the local flavor from
Speaker 1: around college football. I'm assuming many of these are sent
Speaker 1: and they're not in any position to track all of
Speaker 1: them at once. It would be a gargantuan effort. But
Speaker 1: what you and I have done is we have gone
Speaker 1: through this beloved Twitter feed. We have pulled some of
Speaker 1: our favorites and we are actually going to analyze the
Speaker 1: veracity of some of these claims right as you might expect.
Speaker 1: Some are just incredibly galaxy brain and overthought and ridiculous
Speaker 1: in nature. Some actually I pulled a couple. It's like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I can I can.
Speaker 2: Maybe see this some board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on board. For those watching the video, I
Speaker 1: put together a tinfoil hat that I'm now.
Speaker 2: Putting on you.
Speaker 1: You look wonderful. I put the tinfoil hat on here.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I'm going to wear it for.
Speaker 1: The remainder of the episode because we need to do
Speaker 1: so in order to talk through some of these things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: By the way. Can I ask you? Can I ask
Speaker 2: you about the ethics of screen grabbing paywalled in some cases,
Speaker 2: in most cases, messages on messages on message boards. Do
Speaker 2: you think it's okay in the interest of hilarious transparency
Speaker 2: or do you think it's akin to the matt Ufford
Speaker 2: theory of nobody should ever film anybody else at karaoke, right,
Speaker 2: that that's a private, safe place to get things off
Speaker 2: of your chest and to vent in a lot of
Speaker 2: the same ways, karaoke is right. That you're just like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a couple of drinks. I had a
Speaker 2: rough work week. I'm just gonna belt out. Let's do
Speaker 2: it for the boys or whatever your your karaoke song is.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that it's an unethical violation to publicize
Speaker 2: this kind of private space.
Speaker 1: Clearly they are not the ones going out and getting
Speaker 1: these screen right, of course they're being sent to them, but.
Speaker 2: They're publicizing how many Twitter followers does something right. It's
Speaker 2: not insignificant, So I am okay with it. Because we
Speaker 2: college we cover college football from the national broad view,
Speaker 2: where all of these things at the more team specific
Speaker 2: level are not always visible, so I appreciate the level
Speaker 2: of insight. I say it's okay because I believe they
Speaker 2: only post anonymous accounts, so it's not Dave Davis from
Speaker 2: Dave Davis Dental posting. Here's what I think about you
Speaker 2: know so and So's ex wife. I think I'm okay
Speaker 2: with the anonymous element of it. So I'm okay ethically
Speaker 2: with the ridiculous things we're about to approach. So you
Speaker 2: got a bunch here? Were you a poster ever? Yes?
Speaker 1: A lurker?
Speaker 2: Yes? And yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? How many message board accounts do you have?
Speaker 2: Currently just one and I can't say much beyond that.
Speaker 2: But I way back when I used to lurk and
Speaker 2: I think occasionally post. My career is a no small
Speaker 2: parts message boards.
Speaker 1: You know this. I do tell my story band great story.
Speaker 2: I spammed when I was at before I was at SI,
Speaker 2: when I was doing the college what was the College
Speaker 2: Football Tour Guide? How I got my start in my
Speaker 2: own website doing these videos at Tailgates. I used to
Speaker 2: spam every single Scout and Rivals message board with my videos.
Speaker 2: I used to embent every single one of them, like, hey,
Speaker 2: I went to text A and M this week. Hey,
Speaker 2: and I just put put it on every site and
Speaker 2: it got viewers, it did well, and then I just
Speaker 2: I got banned I'm sure from all of them, but
Speaker 2: it worked, so uh, don't do that now. That's not nice.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I used to post and uh lurk some
Speaker 2: on I don't remember if I paid or if I
Speaker 2: got comped by people. I know that I don't remember
Speaker 2: because it was so long ago. We're talking like eight
Speaker 2: oh nine, twenty ten. Somewhere in there at e Duck,
Speaker 2: which was part of the Scout community when scout dot
Speaker 2: com was a thing. But that's I did look up
Speaker 2: your handle, your chosen handle today on Google to see
Speaker 2: there's nothing that exciting now in terms of Google results.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I am quite familiar, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was part of two at one point three
Speaker 1: and now only just one, which I can't say more
Speaker 1: about either. O'h look at you. But I understand the
Speaker 1: ecosystem well. I think in order to be a true
Speaker 1: college football fan, I wouldn't suggest you go out there
Speaker 1: and start posting, but you at least need to understand
Speaker 1: that this is a pretty good hotbed for strange opinions
Speaker 1: and strange takes. As it relates to individual teams in
Speaker 1: college football, we'll.
Speaker 2: Get into it. Isn't it amazing though, that you think
Speaker 2: about every single advance in web technology, every single podcasting videos,
Speaker 2: any sort of language. I don't know what Python is,
Speaker 2: I have no clue, but there's different languages, there's different
Speaker 2: ways of conveying information, different social media platforms. But if
Speaker 2: you want to make a good amount of money in
Speaker 2: college football, there are like three and a half ways,
Speaker 2: and one of which is by running a very successful
Speaker 2: paywalled message board site. Correct and this is technology from
Speaker 2: late nineties, Like this is not crazy advanced web technology,
Speaker 2: and yet the appeal for people to spend money is
Speaker 2: to collectively as a community, guess about recruiting that Like,
Speaker 2: you can be a former player who makes a ton
Speaker 2: of money on TV or the radio. You can run
Speaker 2: a message board, or you can be like Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: Those those are your options right now to make a
Speaker 2: bunch of money in college football. And so I mean
Speaker 2: good for the people who have been able to like
Speaker 2: sustain this, because really this is the move. Like we
Speaker 2: know people who run these sites that have a lot
Speaker 2: of subscriber to do we do. There's some cash in it.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely some cash in it. So listen, I tip
Speaker 2: my cap. And it's one of the ongoing surprises of
Speaker 2: the Internet and sports that this is just hand over
Speaker 2: fist if you're doing it right for the right team.
Speaker 1: It is very much in the broad stroke of the
Speaker 1: Internet as analog as it gets. But alas message boards
Speaker 1: have persisted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, over the years, the cockroaches of this current apocalypse.
Speaker 2: I want to call reference to this suite.
Speaker 1: Okay, hit may this tweet that was posted back on
Speaker 1: January the twelfth. It looks like this one was found
Speaker 1: over at eleven Warriors. Oh, shout out Ramsey, Shout out Ramsey,
Speaker 1: great Ohio State site. Okay, what is what is the
Speaker 1: what is the message? I have a new conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban and Dion Sanders are in multiple ATHLAC commercials
Speaker 1: together more than likely with connected agents. Uh huh. I
Speaker 1: say that Nick Saban is endorsing Jackson State to top
Speaker 1: recruits as an alternative to signing with Bama. Why Jackson
Speaker 1: State becomes a farm team for Bama to poach second
Speaker 1: to third year players when needed, plus any academic and
Speaker 1: personal issues get worked out by Jackson State. Simply put,
Speaker 1: Saban gets first DIBs on the JSU transfers and might
Speaker 1: be able to request them to happen.
Speaker 2: First of all, obviously not true. I love this energy here.
Speaker 2: This is a energy message board. Energy. This is great.
Speaker 2: This is great. Where there's no evidence, there's no logic,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I can connect some dots
Speaker 2: in my head where I'm like, I love where this
Speaker 2: guy's head is at. Like it makes no sense, but
Speaker 2: I just love where this guy or gal's head is at.
Speaker 2: So I'm for this theory. Ty.
Speaker 1: Do you remember we had Joel klad on the show,
Speaker 1: and sure, and we called out that we had heard
Speaker 1: from some folks that he may fashion himself a weird
Speaker 1: college football conspiracy theorist on a few select topics. This
Speaker 1: feels like a Platt type of thing.
Speaker 2: You think Joel Klatt believes or potentially believes that Nick
Speaker 2: Saban is steering top recruits to Jackson State based on
Speaker 2: the fun he has with Deon Sanders filming commercials.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's a possibility.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have no evidence otherwise, so I will say
Speaker 2: I love your energy in theorizing that Joel Clatt may
Speaker 2: buy into this theory. By the way, messageboard geniuses ranked
Speaker 2: their top sites, and I think textags the legendary Texas
Speaker 2: A and M site ran away with just in perusing
Speaker 2: like there should be some sort of textags and maybe
Speaker 2: this already exists, like a convention of some kind, like
Speaker 2: a meeting of the minds, like in the way that
Speaker 2: we have these international symposiums, whereas a politicians, well no,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like Davos, yea, all like the world leaders
Speaker 2: and like billionaires come together, like how can we enrich
Speaker 2: the world? Like I think the top posters at textags
Speaker 2: should be meeting up in some sort of symposium. I
Speaker 2: love this idea, Like, here's one staff. Will we get
Speaker 2: any more commitments before the December tenth weekend? This is
Speaker 2: from ourtp Aggie. My wife is trying to plan her
Speaker 2: schedule for the month. She likes to know which nights
Speaker 2: we're getting a commitment, so she knows when I will
Speaker 2: not be quote available for her on those nights. I
Speaker 2: know y'all understand. I don't know if I do, but
Speaker 2: I would love to learn more. Is he talking about
Speaker 2: adventures romantically? Is he talking about like just helping out
Speaker 2: around the house because he's going to be too ensconced
Speaker 2: in the message board, in textags, learning about this new commitment,
Speaker 2: watching tape, forming opinions about how this new commitment will
Speaker 2: be involved in the depth chart and what his ceiling
Speaker 2: will be for the aggies. I would love to know
Speaker 2: all of these things. And you know what, as we
Speaker 2: have both learned as married dudes, it's really good to
Speaker 2: give advanced warning when we have plans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is a thoughtful post. I think it's great.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's thoughtful.
Speaker 1: Do you have any friends who have gone down the
Speaker 1: recruiting rabbit? Hole with Oregon specifically, Ah, I have a
Speaker 1: friend who did I have a friend who with Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: with Penn State. I'm not gonna say, okay, but you
Speaker 1: have a friend who like has quote unquote sources and
Speaker 1: is like deeply in that world. He doesn't have sources,
Speaker 1: but he's very deep into this world. Okay, and he
Speaker 1: may or may not have tweeted at recruits on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2: We found it.
Speaker 1: We didn't know as a larger group of friends how
Speaker 1: to how to address this subject with this gentleman. Is
Speaker 1: an intervention required?
Speaker 2: What do we do if if somebody was going to games,
Speaker 2: the high school games, not going.
Speaker 1: Not going to high school games. He's got kid, that's
Speaker 1: a level, man, that's a level. Definitely was following progress
Speaker 1: throughout high school games, but not actually at the games physically. Okay.
Speaker 2: This is definitely a vibe, definitely a vibe.
Speaker 1: To be that integ It is great that you're altering
Speaker 1: the schedule like that.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's thoughtful.
Speaker 1: It is overpoort, it's let's be real, it's a little much,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the commitment to the bit.
Speaker 2: I like that it potentially is about him spending romantic
Speaker 2: time with his wife that he is he is such
Speaker 2: a force of nature that his wife needs to know
Speaker 2: in advance when he's a fail, that she is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to prepare, I have to get ready for
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. Yeah, I remember the intro. I
Speaker 2: don't think this guy was like super involved, like down
Speaker 2: deep in the wormhole. But I remember around two thousand
Speaker 2: and two maybe he attended USC. A friend from high
Speaker 2: school and he told me he was really excited because
Speaker 2: like a five star offensive lineman was coming to USC Okay,
Speaker 2: And my first thought was, wait, how do you know.
Speaker 2: Isn't there just some big reveal who the new freshmen
Speaker 2: are going to be? How would anybody know in advance
Speaker 2: who an incoming? And I think it was Jeff Byers,
Speaker 2: I want to say, an offensive lineman from I believe, Colorado.
Speaker 2: But that was my first approach to college football recruiting,
Speaker 2: being a thing like what he's got this intel and
Speaker 2: then it just you know, went from there. And I
Speaker 2: was in college at the time.
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know some people who've gotten pretty pretty
Speaker 2: deep into it, but nothing on the level of this
Speaker 2: post or attending high school games. What is your next message?
Speaker 1: My next message kind of akin to the wife and
Speaker 1: being prepared. This is just a weird one from a
Speaker 1: Virginia tech fan who says, quote can tell from those
Speaker 1: snug jeans referring to Brent pry that the dude's got
Speaker 1: a hog. So mm of course sure, uh huh. No,
Speaker 1: My actual one is a post from a Georgia fan.
Speaker 1: Do you not want to talk about the Virginia tech fan?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really much to add.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not asking you to add to that
Speaker 2: specific visual in that thought.
Speaker 1: But okay, the question is a.
Speaker 2: Hold on indulge me. It's almost February. The question is
Speaker 2: this Virginia tech fan is looking at Brent priz'e snug
Speaker 2: we said jeans pants whatever, he's wearing jeans and said
Speaker 2: he's got a huge hog, which great, good for him,
Speaker 2: whether it's true or not. What is the extrapolation, like,
Speaker 2: what is the cowherd level thinking? Okay, this is who
Speaker 2: Brent Priye is physically, this is what it means, Like
Speaker 2: he's going to go for it on more fourth downs,
Speaker 2: He's going to be more aggressive, He's going to have
Speaker 2: more testosterone about his work, like he is going to
Speaker 2: have more confidence as a recruiter wearing these types of pants, Like,
Speaker 2: what is the cowhard level extrapolation.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the one wearing the tinfoil hat. I
Speaker 1: am wearing the tinfoilhut. I guess the extrapolation is that observation,
Speaker 1: combined with the fact that he's got a very strong
Speaker 1: hairline his te levels may lead to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of masculinity there. Of course, perhaps that
Speaker 1: will in some way drive the Virginia Tech program forward.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm making this up on the float.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what the excitement is around that as
Speaker 2: it relates, or it's just an observation, or just like
Speaker 2: we got to get to know this new guy. Here's
Speaker 2: some facts about Brent Prye has called really good defenses
Speaker 2: at Penn State, has a history in the mid Atlantic region,
Speaker 2: can walk into a room and impress you depending on
Speaker 2: the tightness of his pants. Like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: love again love the energy here.
Speaker 1: Let me go over to ugussports dot com. This is
Speaker 1: about Stetson Bennett and I saw this and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I kind of get it. Quote I love
Speaker 1: the kid, and he was forever be a champion. Not
Speaker 1: great grammar, but our defense just carried this team to
Speaker 1: a national championship. Next year, our offense will have to
Speaker 1: be far more dynamic as a defense reloads, and we
Speaker 1: all know Stetson and it isn't the guy to make
Speaker 1: that happen. For his sake and for our programs, I
Speaker 1: hope he rides off into the sunset. It's time to
Speaker 1: see what one of the young guys can do. I
Speaker 1: don't hate this general conspiracy, but yeah, I don't hate
Speaker 1: the sentiment because look, stets and Bennet got better. Stets
Speaker 1: and Bennett won a national championship. Stets and Bennett was.
Speaker 2: Good in this game. Yes, uh, he finished it well.
Speaker 1: Finished first three quarters I would say were pretty dicey.
Speaker 1: Finished it well, but got the job done. Definitely improved
Speaker 1: from last year this year. I understand where this is
Speaker 1: coming from. This is coming from the same place that
Speaker 1: my Ian book sentiment came from a year ago, which
Speaker 1: is he's good, he's great, he won a lot of games,
Speaker 1: in this case, won a national championship, and never gonna
Speaker 1: be able to take that away from him. There is
Speaker 1: a very clear ceiling. Mm hmm. There's a very clear ceiling.
Speaker 1: So if you're a Georgia fan, and if you're looking
Speaker 1: at the recruiting class, and if you've got you know,
Speaker 1: a brock and like all these guys coming in, I
Speaker 1: understand wanting to know, would somebody else give us a
Speaker 1: higher ceiling on offense because clearly that's the area where
Speaker 1: Georgia needs to improve next seme, So I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I would also say, maybe take.
Speaker 2: A beat to enjoy that you won the national championship.
Speaker 1: Now I love this, turn the page.
Speaker 2: But it's always about the next game. What are we
Speaker 2: going to do next? This is what sport are we
Speaker 2: talking about here?
Speaker 1: Ty? So from that standpoint, I'm wearing the hat. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's getting into my brain, but I understand the logic here.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with I'm totally with it.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I appreciate it
Speaker 2: because this is like college football distilled into a series
Speaker 2: of letters and spaces that sure, this guy did something
Speaker 2: that no modern quarterback has done in forty years for
Speaker 2: our program, surrounded by great talent, with a great defense,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But the argument could also be
Speaker 2: made that Stetson Bennett was much more consistently good than
Speaker 2: any other modern Georgia quarterback, Like he didn't throw in
Speaker 2: the sheer number of dud games that guys like Matt
Speaker 2: Stafford or Aaron Murray or whoever Jake from Jake Eason
Speaker 2: threw in as starters at at Georgia. But at the
Speaker 2: same time you're seduced by the what if you're seduced
Speaker 2: by the future. You know what you have in Stetson Bennett.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you have in like Brock vandergriff
Speaker 2: or whoever the next guy is for Georgia. And so
Speaker 2: I'm okay with this. I don't think it's insane at all.
Speaker 2: I think it's consistent with what we what we know
Speaker 2: about the sport, so I appreciate it with it Red
Speaker 2: Raidersports dot Com from Reckham four thirty two, my cousin
Speaker 2: sells weed in Southlake, a very nice area of Austin,
Speaker 2: and he said Quinn and his buddy Brady Boyd wide
Speaker 2: receiver at Minnesota are one hundred percent confirmed to the
Speaker 2: eight oh six. The eight oh six area code, just
Speaker 2: to be clear, appears to be Northwest Texas where Lubbock
Speaker 2: is hand in South Plains, including the cities of Amarillo
Speaker 2: and Lubbock. Quen You weres not signed sealed delivered to
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Correct that that's per my latest understanding of
Speaker 2: the portal.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if you have rankings in terms
Speaker 2: of like here are the trustworthy sources? Is a weed
Speaker 2: dealer top five, top ten? Because some people are going
Speaker 2: to know there are always going to be whispers out
Speaker 2: there that like Bruce Feldman or Nicole Auerback or Pete
Speaker 2: Fammel are not hip too. We're always going to have
Speaker 2: those people who know well in advance. This guy failed
Speaker 2: the drug test, this guy's flunking out of school, this
Speaker 2: guy's transferring, this guy hates the coach, this guy's dad
Speaker 2: hates the coach. Whatever, there's always going to be like
Speaker 2: and those are correct. Those are good sources with good information.
Speaker 2: I would just like to figure out how trustworthy a
Speaker 2: weed dealer, because if said weed dealer is the weed
Speaker 2: dealer of people within the program and they trust him
Speaker 2: or her for whatever reason with transfer information or like
Speaker 2: this guy's coming, that's pretty cool. Didn't work out in
Speaker 2: this scenario. This dealer is oh for something, But.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like that this poster is has hit the streets
Speaker 2: in terms of figuring out where the murmurs and whispers
Speaker 2: is sharing that pounding the pavement. A Woodward Bernstein of
Speaker 2: the message board generation, I'm good with it. It didn't
Speaker 2: work out, but he took a shot.
Speaker 1: He took a.
Speaker 2: Shot and sharing some intel that didn't work out. Still
Speaker 2: good with it.
Speaker 1: Here's one from the Michigan faithful Dan. Yeah, Michigan came
Speaker 1: in flat happy to be there. I think he's talking
Speaker 1: about the play off, bad game plan, poor adjustments in
Speaker 1: the game, just got away, good season, but Michigan should
Speaker 1: be playing Bama for the title. Mm hmm. All these
Speaker 1: analysts is garbage about Michigan getting a taste of elite.
Speaker 2: Nope, too bad.
Speaker 1: Hopefully next time they are better prepared. The implication here
Speaker 1: is that Georgia is still a second fiddle to Michigan,
Speaker 1: that Michigan is better than the Dragon Bulldogs, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that this. We watched that game, so this.
Speaker 2: Can happen, right, and Bill Connolly has a metric about
Speaker 2: second order wins where there are games in which because
Speaker 2: of weird occurrences or maybe that's you know, freak freak
Speaker 2: injuries or whatever where it's just like, man, this team
Speaker 2: looks like they should have won. They seem to have
Speaker 2: dominated the game. But whether it was special teams miscues
Speaker 2: or a couple uncharacteristic explosion plays, whatever, this other team won.
Speaker 2: Was there any part of you after watching Michigan Georgia
Speaker 2: that no, you that you sat back and said, man,
Speaker 2: I just I think Georgia was smoking mirrors there?
Speaker 1: No, No, this is a very common message board posting.
Speaker 2: By the way, we were the better team. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, very common. I can't get on board with this.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the attempt, and I think it can apply
Speaker 2: to certain matchups. I'm not I'm not in this, not
Speaker 2: in this situation.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is from seventy three, really seventy three on horns
Speaker 2: two four seven. If you're on the board anywhere, PK
Speaker 2: Pete Kwitkowski, defensive coordinator, Texas. I'll be at Austin this week.
Speaker 2: Let's blanking throw down. If I win, you get the
Speaker 2: blank out of Texas and go back to the West Coast.
Speaker 2: If you win, you can stay and quote coach, you're
Speaker 2: bleeping too high safety defense spoiler alerts. I'm gonna kick
Speaker 2: your bleep bleep.
Speaker 1: You. Let's settle this like Men by the Bleachers made
Speaker 1: in Temecula. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So should more coaching decisions come down to whether
Speaker 2: or not a coordinator can defeat a specific message board poster.
Speaker 1: I'm not totally against it its content.
Speaker 2: Should the more savvy coaches out there, assistants, head coaches
Speaker 2: or whatever, do anonymous town halls with message boards so
Speaker 2: Pete Pitkowski would at least be offered a chance to
Speaker 2: respond to seventy three really seventy three and perhaps reveal
Speaker 2: his own martial arts background or fighting background so that
Speaker 2: everybody could know. And I'm not saying they should settle
Speaker 2: it this way, like I don't think scheme decisions should
Speaker 2: be based on an ability to defeat a message board
Speaker 2: poster in hand to hand combat. I don't, but I
Speaker 2: think there should be considerations. I think that if it's
Speaker 2: decided that we know about the background, the fighting background
Speaker 2: is seventy three, and we learned about the fighting background
Speaker 2: of Pete Kwakowski, I don't think.
Speaker 1: They should fight.
Speaker 2: But I think if Pete Quickowski knows that he's physically outmanned,
Speaker 2: that he listened to seventy three in this town hall
Speaker 2: and not necessarily implement, but at least listen to his suggestions.
Speaker 2: If he finds out that seventy three is in fact
Speaker 2: a trained killer of some kind, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: the flip he's going to have to prove his bona fides.
Speaker 2: The flip side would be somebody on an LSU message
Speaker 2: board wanting to fight Coacho, which is a tough beat.
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to fight Coacho. Know don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his level of training is. I
Speaker 1: have seen his intensity on the sidelines, and we've read
Speaker 1: about his intensity for years. I feel like you only
Speaker 1: post this if you feel like you have a decent chance,
Speaker 1: or at least you shouldn't post it unless you have
Speaker 1: a decent chance.
Speaker 2: Now, let's just assume this lady or gentleman is chemically
Speaker 2: altered and felt especially brave and challenging via message board
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator to a fight. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I appreciate the like heads up, like here is when
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in Austin the assumption that Peklekowski's trolling
Speaker 2: the message board or peakless people are trolling the message board,
Speaker 2: here is my schedule with which you can use the information,
Speaker 2: however you want to set up a fight. Also, I
Speaker 2: don't like that he didn't set up the parameters of
Speaker 2: the fight. Are they boxing? Is it no holds barred?
Speaker 2: What is probably no choice? I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's bar style fighting. Anything goes, I think so, Yeah,
Speaker 2: eye gouging, nutshots, whatever.
Speaker 1: Is Johnny Cash, it's boy named Sue, it's you know, okay,
Speaker 1: you got the pocket knife?
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever. I just think he's so organized with like
Speaker 2: letting Pete Kokowski know when he's gonna be in town.
Speaker 2: He might have an idea of like the ideal way
Speaker 2: to fight because he's kind of being a gentleman about
Speaker 2: it in a backwards way.
Speaker 1: Hey, what's our theory on coaches actually reading message boards.
Speaker 2: Of them or their people or family members?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree. There is somebody in the the Alabama program,
Speaker 2: in the Clemson program, in the Ohio State program monitoring,
Speaker 2: And I guess this is like a succession reference, like
Speaker 2: they're they're they're monitoring the temperature of the digital fan base.
Speaker 1: It was it was told to me by a mutual
Speaker 1: friend of ours, uh, somebody who who pedals in much
Speaker 1: of these coaching rumors that one hundred percent of the time,
Speaker 1: they know everything being said about them. For as confident
Speaker 1: as they may come across on the surface, they're all
Speaker 1: terribly insecure and know everything that's being said about them always.
Speaker 1: So now just assume that they have people who are monitoring. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you have next?
Speaker 2: This is from what is this site?
Speaker 1: This is from a BAMA site Bama Online titled Katie Freakin'
Speaker 1: Perry We are zero and two when she is affiliated
Speaker 1: with one of our games. First all missed. Now this
Speaker 1: please never again. I can get behind this. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm very superstitious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where that goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tie and this is speaking right
Speaker 1: into the heart of me as a college football fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a long time, I would not pick Notre Dame
Speaker 1: to win on this podcast to cover a point spread.
Speaker 1: I tried the reverse jinks. I quit the day job.
Speaker 1: I decided, Okay, we're gonna start a new chapter. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna do that Notre Dame one eleven and one.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really even think twice about should I
Speaker 1: be picking should I not be picking? Here? I just
Speaker 1: made a full break from it, and it worked out
Speaker 1: okay for me. There are still many other aspects of
Speaker 1: my life where you know, if there's something that maybe
Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of discomfort around the decision,
Speaker 1: if maybe the universe is sending me an odd sign,
Speaker 1: I just kind of cautiously back away from that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate this. I appreciate that they're posting this, and it
Speaker 1: may have been a tongue in cheek post.
Speaker 2: For me, it would have been.
Speaker 1: I have long said that the green jersey games for
Speaker 1: Notre Dame football, even though the numbers don't back me up,
Speaker 1: curse it. Yeah, the green jerseys are cursed. Man, don't
Speaker 1: wear the green jersey.
Speaker 2: I get it's a novelty.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Stick to what works.
Speaker 1: The current uniforms are working fine. You don't need to
Speaker 1: do the green jersey thing and freak me out. And
Speaker 1: so I appreciate the black cat that is Katy Perry
Speaker 1: here in this case. I appreciate the the anxiety that
Speaker 1: it might provoke among the fan base. This is totally
Speaker 1: something I can get on board with.
Speaker 2: Look if Alabama, he says Alabama, right, the Alabama fan
Speaker 2: base oz and two there she was at the Old
Speaker 2: Miss game and talked about Trevor Knight and all sorts
Speaker 2: of stuff. If they have bad blood with Katie Perry,
Speaker 2: you got to go after the other side of bad blood,
Speaker 2: do you not? You gotta get t Swift on game day,
Speaker 2: be solution oriented. I believe that's who bad Blood is about,
Speaker 2: right it was.
Speaker 1: But then they did a video together and I think
Speaker 1: they buried defenses. Yeah, they buried the hatchet. That's too bad.
Speaker 2: And again I think T Swift lives in Tennessee. I
Speaker 2: think she lives.
Speaker 1: She lives in one day, So does she. You're you've
Speaker 1: been following close than I have. Yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: told for my sources, Okay, but I don't for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie Perry's tough man, She's tough, staying power, I
Speaker 2: would say, as we've talked about, Uh, next one I have,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with Texas here because.
Speaker 1: The's just so good.
Speaker 2: Uh. This is from Brazil Horn. I don't know which
Speaker 2: Texas site this is from. It's not on this screen grab.
Speaker 2: I hope Baylor Stadium gets foreclosed on in the Magnolia
Speaker 2: f heads buy it for pennies on the dollar, cover
Speaker 2: it in ship lap, and hang barn doors over the entrances.
Speaker 2: Then make it. This is my word a crappy, but
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm substituting B and B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that level of intensity.
Speaker 2: Well, it's so specific because the local knowledge is strong, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that they know that this poster brazil Horn, perhaps all
Speaker 2: the way from South Powell is making reference to Chip
Speaker 2: and Joanna. I don't know if I've actually watched the show,
Speaker 2: but I've seen pictures of extras stories about ours fixer upper.
Speaker 2: I have not been in the stadium. I don't know
Speaker 2: whether or not ship lap and barn doors that like
Speaker 2: fake vintage farmhouse look would improve it. It's relatively new,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate the specificity of that kind of message
Speaker 2: board anger, even though it doesn't fully make sense, because
Speaker 2: I think that would only encourage more and more people
Speaker 2: to be excited within the stadium because apparently their store
Speaker 2: in Texas is like the most popular tourist destination in
Speaker 2: the state, right, So that would just get people jumping
Speaker 2: and getting in line for Baylor tickets to make a
Speaker 2: ton of noise in that stadium. So yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: It's it's sort of off the beaten path as a
Speaker 2: trash talking subject, but I'm good with it. We drove
Speaker 2: past it.
Speaker 1: We drove past it on our journey from Austin up
Speaker 1: to Dallas before one of our life shows a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Now it feels like an eternity, you go,
Speaker 1: because we haven't done live shows forever. I thirty five,
Speaker 1: if I want to say correctly, we were driving past it.
Speaker 1: We drove past it in the daylight, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was not impressed by it.
Speaker 2: From Afar, it did not well, it didn't do much
Speaker 2: for me, but we weren't inside.
Speaker 1: We weren't inside, and people who are who I've been inside,
Speaker 1: say it's it's a fun place to watch a game.
Speaker 1: And I will try to stay objective. I would just
Speaker 1: say from Afar, driving past at like seventy five miles
Speaker 1: an hour, it was it was sort of unspectacular to me.
Speaker 1: That being said that this is a different level of intensity.
Speaker 1: It is, but I like the local knowledge. I think
Speaker 1: if you're going to trash talk a stadium, if you're
Speaker 1: going to trash talk a fan base, I know Baylor
Speaker 1: fans are particularly proud of the new stadium, and they
Speaker 1: should be. This is the level of intensity I think
Speaker 1: that you need.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you have next?
Speaker 1: I've got one here from USC fans. Oh love that. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is some good forward thinking with Brian Kelly out
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. I don't see a loss on the schedule.
Speaker 1: If you go undefeed it win the Pac twelve, we
Speaker 1: are in the playoffs. No way in the world the
Speaker 1: networks would give up the LA TV market, Dan, the
Speaker 1: budding LA college football TV market, which we never talk
Speaker 1: about in the program for good reasons. Not seeing a
Speaker 1: loss on the schedule is another one of those common
Speaker 1: strokes among message board posters. People who look at a schedule,
Speaker 1: they look at the surroundings going into a new season,
Speaker 1: and are just very bullish on the team comically. So,
Speaker 1: of course, talk to me about USC's depth chart, talk
Speaker 1: to me about this roster. Obviously, if they get Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: that'd be a pretty big boon. They already got Mary Williams,
Speaker 1: the transfer wide out from Oklahoma, So Lincoln Riley's doing
Speaker 1: a good job. But also got a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: transferring in. Yeah, but also so it's not as if
Speaker 1: the cabinet is fully stocked and ready for a national
Speaker 1: championship run in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Am I right in saying that I see losses. So
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is if you're looking at the schedule, Notre
Speaker 2: Dame is the end of the season, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 2: they have Notre Dame with we don't even know who
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback is going to be. They're at UCLA.
Speaker 2: It's in La but at Ucla who they just got destroyed.
Speaker 1: By, right correct?
Speaker 2: This past year. They've got a Colorado team that's kind
Speaker 2: of floundering cal who knows, Arizona improving at Utah. At
Speaker 2: Utah's a penciled in win the pactal champ with their
Speaker 2: returning started quarterback. Okay, at Utah, we've got Wazoo at home,
Speaker 2: Arizona State at home, Oregon State on the road. Remind
Speaker 2: me who won that game last year? I believe the comfortably? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Fresno State with Jeff Tedford who's back baby, he's back.
Speaker 2: Rice in Stanford. They don't too much for me regard
Speaker 2: like if u SC somehow runs the table, they run
Speaker 2: the table. I don't see it. I think there's at
Speaker 2: least three or probably two or three four losses whatever,
Speaker 2: because it's year one and it's just difficult to win
Speaker 2: big right away when you don't have the depth to
Speaker 2: do so. But it is the Pac twelve, and they
Speaker 2: don't have a challenging game in the non conference part
Speaker 2: of the early schedule. They notre Dame to finish, So
Speaker 2: I am not taking this seriously. I wonder, though, does
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley in LA? In LAX? Does he pass the
Speaker 2: Hudson News test in LA? Yeah? He does? In Norman?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City he does. In Norman he does.
Speaker 1: In doubts he probably does in it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think he would be recognized in most
Speaker 2: large airports, mid size airports near major college football hubs, definitely.
Speaker 2: I don't know about Philly, No, no, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: Philly's not a major college football But LA is interesting
Speaker 2: to me, Like you'd be recognized in the Nashville Airport,
Speaker 2: in the Charlotte Airport, Birmingham, Atlanta. Yeah, but LA is
Speaker 2: sort of a different animal, isn't it. It's it's a
Speaker 2: different level of big game. If you're hunting for celebrities
Speaker 2: at LAX, then in Norman, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like would TMZ if they were not tipped off
Speaker 1: to his flight landing at LAX, would one of their
Speaker 1: like photographers or producers instantly.
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, that's the USC coach. Like, is Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley one of the five hundred most famous people in LA?
Speaker 2: Is he one of the most two hundred three?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is he the four hundred and forty seventh most famous
Speaker 2: person in his college town? See, you're the West Coast guy.
Speaker 1: I have no context for LA. I don't think he
Speaker 1: is interesting. He's getting paid handsomely, he is. But the
Speaker 1: Hudson News test, So here's the Hudson News test for
Speaker 1: people wondering. Yeah, the Hudson News test is, and we
Speaker 1: said this all the time about Clay Hilton. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Hudson News test is, if your college football coach is
Speaker 1: out and about and you saw him at a Hudson
Speaker 1: News in an airport or a train station or anywhere
Speaker 1: around the world where there are Hudson newses, would you
Speaker 1: recognize him or would he be recognized by a random
Speaker 1: passer by at that Hudson News Clay Hilton almost certainly
Speaker 1: would not be.
Speaker 2: No, and we cover the sport, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure we would recognize him. Lincoln Riley, I think we would,
Speaker 1: But would the average passer by the average person.
Speaker 2: Here's here's oh man, we're gonna pile on Clay Heelton.
Speaker 2: There's no reason too. Everybody seems to like him personally.
Speaker 2: If we were at a Mexican restaurant in Saint Louis, Okay,
Speaker 2: and Clay Hilton came over to our table and said,
Speaker 2: is everything okay? And he was dressed like a manager.
Speaker 2: You guys having a good time those Enchalada's hitting. I
Speaker 2: think I might just say, yeah, it's great, thanks. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think we would know that it's him.
Speaker 2: Like if you went to go buy a new Mazda
Speaker 2: and Clay Hilton were on the showroom floor and he
Speaker 2: said you interested in gas? Are you interested in hybrid?
Speaker 2: Would you look at him and be like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: is that former USC head coach Clay Helton? Or would
Speaker 2: you say, oh, we're looking I add a third row,
Speaker 2: got a big dog, And.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just asking questions, TI, I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 2: The marketplace of ideas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got so many.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I bought this show to
Speaker 2: be This could be our best or worst show ever.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We've got a Clemson post about it is not even
Speaker 2: the least bit suspicious that our problems on offense started
Speaker 2: just after the herb Street Twins walked into the walked
Speaker 2: onto the football team. I feel like we are executing
Speaker 2: brilliantly on offense, but the other team simply has the
Speaker 2: plays snuffed out before they begin. So this gentleman or
Speaker 2: lady tiger Baum one is suggesting, right, there's a mole
Speaker 2: that one of the herb Street twins is leaking the
Speaker 2: offensive game planer. Both are in conjunction with one another.
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to say, I know that
Speaker 2: I have mocked some of you in the past with
Speaker 2: this ESPN paranoia crap, but this thing is starting to
Speaker 2: take legs. It would not surprise me one bit that
Speaker 2: e SCPN would stoop this low to damage our program.
Speaker 1: Laugh all you like, wow, So we're talking full on
Speaker 1: Herbie leaks. Here is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: We're talking Herbie leaks. We're saying that ESPN has such
Speaker 2: a pronounced vendetta against Clemson naturally because they are not
Speaker 2: in the sec that Kirk herb Street, analysts of the
Speaker 2: bugest analyst in the sport, has employed his two sons
Speaker 2: to get him the game plan in writing. I guess
Speaker 2: or just here's how did they.
Speaker 1: Do how did they do it at Louisville. Louisville with
Speaker 1: what the whole waki.
Speaker 2: Links thing, right, Well, that was the announcer, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: that was an announcer that had access to some sort
Speaker 2: of game plans tipping off calls or signals or something
Speaker 2: like that. So the herb Street Twins, I guess would
Speaker 2: know the signals and would know the calls and the
Speaker 2: adjustments and the opening script or something like that. But man,
Speaker 2: I for one, am fully on board. I am fully
Speaker 2: on board with this being a worthwhile conspiracy to pull
Speaker 2: on the string to see where it leads.
Speaker 1: Is this? I mean they got to be using signal
Speaker 1: or some sort of encrypted app. I would assume you
Speaker 1: would think. So these are gens the kids at this point,
Speaker 1: m they know how to get around the system. I
Speaker 1: love the energy with which this was posted. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's great. This post is long enough that it was
Speaker 1: not written tongue in cheek. Oh yeah, this is somebody.
Speaker 2: Who honest, he went on to say, like laugh all
Speaker 2: you like, but connect the dots people. This is somebody
Speaker 2: who's into it. I love this.
Speaker 1: I am not on board with this is a real thing,
Speaker 1: but on board with this energy. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love the full denial of any sort of accountability
Speaker 2: that the offensive line has struggled and a young quarterback
Speaker 2: has struggled, and the play calling has been pretty woeful,
Speaker 2: and the assistant hiring has been probably loyal to a fault.
Speaker 2: Like there is a there is a full dedication and
Speaker 2: buy into Clemson football that it must be the outsiders, right,
Speaker 2: it must be this, this chemical element added to the
Speaker 2: otherwise pure elixir that has changed the foundation and success.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love that sort of blind dedication, and so I'm
Speaker 2: okay with it, all right. So we're running short on time.
Speaker 2: Is a long show.
Speaker 1: I've got one, maybe two more that I can do here.
Speaker 2: You want me to do best of my remainings?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you want me to do Kansas joining the SEC?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to do Clemson doing it the
Speaker 1: right way? The Raiders not interested in Jim Harbaugh. Billy
Speaker 1: Napier nixing a lazy river.
Speaker 2: I like that one.
Speaker 1: That's recent. Yeah, so, Billy Napier. There were apparently plans
Speaker 1: as part of Florida's renovation effort to build a lazy
Speaker 1: river in the football facility and This gentleman says that
Speaker 1: getting rid of the Lazy River in the new facilities
Speaker 1: to strike one, it was a real selling point.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Now, I did see there was some fallout to this
Speaker 1: posting by the boor geniuses, i e. Folks within the
Speaker 1: Florida community who don't like the poster and don't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with the poster. They're disassociating and the
Speaker 1: message board geniuses account and people are a person who
Speaker 1: runs it is very quick to say we understand that
Speaker 1: these are isolated thoughts, not the full reflection of an
Speaker 1: entire fan base, all right, And that's also a very
Speaker 1: important point here that we should man. Of course, these
Speaker 1: are by no means representative of entire fan bases. These
Speaker 1: are very much extreme examples. That's why this Twitter account.
Speaker 2: But it's representative of fringe college football fans. All of
Speaker 2: these are within the realm of fringe college football thinking,
Speaker 2: for sure, is a lazy river, is a ball pit
Speaker 2: is to Clemson?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: A LSU sleep pod, the dentist's office at Oregon, the barbershop?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are any of these things such deal breakers that
Speaker 1: if you're a five star recruit, it is going to
Speaker 1: alter your decision making process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's a wow factor thing. It's not
Speaker 2: that you're selecting a school because of the slide or
Speaker 2: the putt putt course, or the barber shop or the
Speaker 2: lazy river. It's the wow factor of this place is luxury.
Speaker 2: This place is treating its players in a way that
Speaker 2: is not consistent with the lower level schools recruiting me.
Speaker 2: Lazy river is a wow factor item tie. I can't
Speaker 2: deny that. Like, I come across very few places that
Speaker 2: offer their own lazy rivers.
Speaker 1: I have googled how much it would cost to build
Speaker 1: my own lazy river. I have I told you this,
Speaker 1: of course, as we all have. I would love to
Speaker 1: have a lazy river. I think it's it's by far
Speaker 1: the most underrated of all water park attractions.
Speaker 2: So where how would you employ a lazy river on
Speaker 2: your property?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. There's no way I could. I
Speaker 1: just it would cost more than I'm worth for sure.
Speaker 1: So I get the allure of the laser river. I
Speaker 1: like the lore of the lazier river. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's that big a deal. I just like, like,
Speaker 1: maybe buy some extra iPads or virtual reality goggles or
Speaker 1: something that's not as extreme as the lazy River. I
Speaker 1: just don't see that as a huge selling point.
Speaker 2: No again, though, it's wow factor. It's you've seen the rest,
Speaker 2: Now come play for the best and chill out in
Speaker 2: an inner tube around the facility during your free time.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. I'm okay with bemoaning the loss
Speaker 2: of a potential lazy river because it's it's a differentiating factor.
Speaker 2: I'm not on board with that.
Speaker 1: Right that we agree to disagree.
Speaker 2: All right, give me your final one. This is from
Speaker 2: a there's a Kansas state posting about eating too much
Speaker 2: potato salad causing diarrhea. I think that's sort of self evident,
Speaker 2: like monitor how much potato salad you eat because you
Speaker 2: never know what it's going to do to your system
Speaker 2: and how you'll respond to having too much potato salad.
Speaker 2: I've got a post about the Chicago mafia getting involved
Speaker 2: with Illinois beating Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I've got an Auburn fan saying they should build a
Speaker 2: statue to Gus to honor Gus Malson. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I've got a post from a Clem Clemson in Texas.
Speaker 2: A and M do not get enough credit for having
Speaker 2: these magical homes on the internet, and I wish they
Speaker 2: would like create an annual game like ditch South Carolina,
Speaker 2: ditch the hopes of Texas A and M playing Texas
Speaker 2: and set up a Texas A and M Clemson rivalry
Speaker 2: we need for.
Speaker 1: We need the Clemson A and M metaverse is what
Speaker 1: we need.
Speaker 2: I've got Ohio State an Ohio State poster on Bucknuts,
Speaker 2: which appears to be the twenty four to seven site
Speaker 2: saying Tate Martel was the curse? Serious question? What if
Speaker 2: he was our next guy? This was posted. I don't
Speaker 2: have a date when this was posted. He can throw,
Speaker 2: he can run, he can maybe be what's needed to
Speaker 2: get our offense over the hill. C J. Stroud can't run,
Speaker 2: but he can throw. Our offense is based on the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks ability to do it all, and currently we have
Speaker 2: an elite passer but not a non existent runner. How
Speaker 2: well might a Martel? How well might Tate Martell have
Speaker 2: done in this offense with Day at his side? Tate
Speaker 2: Martell last scene playing consistently a receiver for Miami. I
Speaker 2: think as a backup at UNLV.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to see that being the answer my final
Speaker 2: full question from Brady. So it might be an actual
Speaker 2: person named Brady. Can a school buy a player from
Speaker 2: another school? It's the subject. It wouldn't be paying the player,
Speaker 2: but a school to school transaction. They can use the
Speaker 2: money to add on to stadiums or buy many players
Speaker 2: through raising tuition.
Speaker 1: This is full on transfer i e. English Premier League.
Speaker 2: It's borderline human trafficking, is I'm reading this. Instead of recruiting,
Speaker 2: we should just buy the best players already playing. So
Speaker 2: let's give it the way it deserves, which is obviously none.
Speaker 2: But so people are going to say, this is not
Speaker 2: a joke, this is not funny, this is nil. This
Speaker 2: is where we are heading right, This is this is
Speaker 2: the slippery slope that the solid verbal boulder is rolling down.
Speaker 2: So could Clemson arrange deals with other schools? So explain
Speaker 2: EPL Like the top clubs can go to other clubs
Speaker 2: or lower level clubs who are perhaps more cash strapped
Speaker 2: and money hungry, and say look, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 2: buy the rights to this player for a certain amount
Speaker 2: of time and then return that player after that time something.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole host of different ways you
Speaker 2: could do it. You could buy a guy for a
Speaker 2: certain period of time. That's called a loan, right you
Speaker 2: can you can loan a guy out, yep. And you
Speaker 2: can also just straight up by a guy if you've
Speaker 2: got the money. If you've got a player, then you
Speaker 2: know it's not working out in one place, or maybe
Speaker 2: it'll work out better in yours. You can just go
Speaker 2: out and pay the transfer fee and then you own
Speaker 2: the rights to that player. And so it is very transactional.
Speaker 2: There are many clubs out there who have made small
Speaker 2: fortunes doing this by having a good scouting department, by
Speaker 2: bringing in top talent, by selling them for you know,
Speaker 2: a factor eight x ten x of what they initially paid,
Speaker 2: and then they use the money for something else, either
Speaker 2: players or facilities, or you know, any number of different things.
Speaker 2: So it's very much a soccer philosophy. So my question
Speaker 2: to you is, let's again, let's take this seriously. The
Speaker 2: obvious upgrade that Clemson could have used in purchasing another
Speaker 2: player again, couldn't have this player making the money on
Speaker 2: this transaction? The team, the program, the school. Can you
Speaker 2: said money right that they need the money to improve
Speaker 2: their stadium or you know, hit their recruiting budget or
Speaker 2: their travel budget, whatever uniform budget. If Clemson were to
Speaker 2: pay Western Kentucky for Bailey's Appy, of course Bailey's Appy,
Speaker 2: why would he get any of that money?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: If Bailey's Appy were to go to Clemson based on
Speaker 2: this kind of loan after four or five games where
Speaker 2: Bailey's Appy's like, oh man, this kid at Western Kentucky,
Speaker 2: not geographically too far away, is lighting it up right,
Speaker 2: had a good game against Michigan State, and Western Kentucky's
Speaker 2: not making Power five TV cash. So let's say Clemson,
Speaker 2: who is making that big cash offered you know, a
Speaker 2: million bucks or something like that, a non insignificant amount
Speaker 2: of money that Western Kentucky could put towards a sports,
Speaker 2: a different sport whatever. They're like, okay, fine, we like
Speaker 2: our backup, We'll go with it. Does Bailey's Appy make
Speaker 2: an appreciable difference in the Clemson twenty twenty one season
Speaker 2: if they could buy the best available or Grayson McCall,
Speaker 2: whoever it is, that the best available? But I feel
Speaker 2: like Coastal care Lina was winning more games, so they
Speaker 2: would be a little more hesitant though it's in the
Speaker 2: geographic footprint even more is there a world in which
Speaker 2: the best G five quarterback, especially local to the South Southeast,
Speaker 2: is making a difference in Clemson season? Should this be
Speaker 2: an allowable transaction? I think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so Clemson lose.
Speaker 2: I don't think Bailey's appy beats Georgia, and we wouldn't
Speaker 2: know because Bailey's Appy wouldn't be available and he wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a known commodity to open the season.
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean, there are always no shortage of
Speaker 1: really good group of five quarterbacks. And Dju was bad
Speaker 1: early on. He got better, he got better, right, he
Speaker 1: got better, but he was very bad early on. So
Speaker 1: could you bring in somebody? Could you bring in a
Speaker 1: grays and McCall. I get that Coastal might be adverse
Speaker 1: to that move. Yeah, but everybody's got a price. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got a price. If your coastal, if you can make
Speaker 1: bank to get Grayson McCall pro prospect to get him
Speaker 1: over to Clemson, yeah, of course. So I think it's
Speaker 1: an interesting question.
Speaker 2: There are some.
Speaker 1: Around college football, by the way, yeah, who think it's
Speaker 1: headed in this direction because of nil. You know, program
Speaker 1: can't straight up by a guy, A program can't straight
Speaker 1: up pay a guy, but Boosters have businesses and invest
Speaker 1: in a fund of some kind. Yeah, there are some
Speaker 1: folks who think that we're headed in this direction, that
Speaker 1: it could potentially derail college football. As we know a
Speaker 1: Kirby Spartanik Saban.
Speaker 2: Might be two of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's interesting to me. It's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I'm not totally against the spirit behind this post, and
Speaker 1: of course is outlandish, but that being said, I understand
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. And I don't know, maybe a
Speaker 1: year or two more into Nil will be singing a
Speaker 1: similar tune like we got to get Boosters aligned here,
Speaker 1: we got to go out and we got to buy
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can come and help this thing.
Speaker 2: I love this because it takes the autonomy fully away
Speaker 2: from Bailey's Appy. In this, I was like, hey, college football,
Speaker 2: it's you go to college and you're happen to be
Speaker 2: good at football, and we're gonna give you a bunch
Speaker 2: of money to attend school and any other expenses, and
Speaker 2: in return, you're gonna play college football for us. Also,
Speaker 2: if another school thinks they could use you more, we'll
Speaker 2: sell you. That energy is kind of misplaced, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Bailey's Appy with now Clemson's receivers were disappointed. The offensive
Speaker 2: line was disappointing. I don't think Clemson fans were huge
Speaker 2: fans of Tony Elliott's job this past year or two.
Speaker 2: But is Bailey's appy connecting on more passes downfield? They
Speaker 2: lose to what NC State and doublet and Pitt by
Speaker 2: eight or ten points or something like that. They're losing
Speaker 2: to Georgia either way, that gets them in the playoff.
Speaker 2: If Bailey's Appy is the difference against Pitt and NC State. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Clemson wasn't able really to stop in
Speaker 2: overtime like that was a defensive thing. It was Devin
Speaker 2: Leary connecting on some crazy passes. But I think I
Speaker 2: think Zappi in this alternate universe, with time to learn
Speaker 2: the system and get in a rhythm and whatever, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, I think he's better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to need to come back to
Speaker 1: this prebist. You know how Conan used to have the
Speaker 1: Walker Texas Ranger lever, of course.
Speaker 2: Until he realized that he didn't want to pay residuals
Speaker 2: to the actors and the clips he was showing on
Speaker 2: his show. That's the reason they stopped because they're like,
Speaker 2: I think the people at the studio that produced Walker
Speaker 2: Texas Ranger are going to start charging you for this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what we.
Speaker 1: Need to do is we need to have a message
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Speaker 2: I'm giving you the.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, every week, every other week, every month, yeah,
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