WEBVTT - Summer Break: Ina Garten 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.520 Hi, Brian, Hi Katie. You know one of my favorite 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.080 parts of every summer is getting to spend time with 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.520 my family at the beach, as you know I do, 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.840 and you meet up every August right there in America's heartland, 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.280 East Hampton, New York. Oh ha ha. I know you 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.280 just love that joke. Keep going back to that, well, Brian, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.800 over and over pays off every time. Anyway, I love 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.320 that joke almost as much as I adore I a garden. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.600 So we're coming full circle because listeners, this week we're 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.320 taking you with us to East Hampton, where we spoke 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.280 with Iina Garden in her very own kitchen back in 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.120 April of last year. Yeah, we kick things off this 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.280 is very tough duty by making truffled scrambled eggs and 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:46.360 brioche toast together. I'm hungry too, And as you know, Katie, 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.640 I've been a huge fan of Innus for years. I 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.280 like her show The Barefoot Catessa. I like her cookbooks. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.159 In fact, I have all of them. My wife and 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.160 I have all of them. So breakfast at Dinah's and 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.360 even a cameo from her husband, Jeffrey, we crossed a 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.200 lot of stuff off my bucket list that day, and 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.679 people the download numbers do not lie. We know our 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.640 chat with Ina is a listener favorite as well, so 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.440 let's get to it. After we finished cooking our breakfast, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.240 we moved to her kitchen table for a long chat 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.200 about everything from feminism to her pre TV days spent 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:29.000 running a specialty food store called No Surprise Here Barefoot Contessa. Well, 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.000 you're cooking with me, right, so we're gonna make I mean, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.240 I'd like to take something really obvious like scrambled eggs 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.080 and do it in a different way. So the two 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.119 things that we're going to do that are different. One 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:41.840 is we're going to cook it the way the French do, 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.200 very very very slowly over a very low flame, and 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.360 what it makes is very custody scrambled eggs. Is that? 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.120 What is that? How they do it? Well, they do 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.520 it in a double boiler, but we can do it 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.080 in a in a pan if we're really careful. And 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.560 they use a ton of butter. Yeah that's except in 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.040 this case, I'm gonna use truffle butter. It's butter that 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.960 has white truffles this and I love truffles, so do 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.640 I feel like white ones? So good for you? There 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.800 are people who are truffle haters. I don't understand that. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.079 My husband doesn't like do have that sort of Jim 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.480 sucks kind of flavor? Doesn't never feel the same about truffle. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.640 I ruined it for you, delicious Jim suck. But there 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.480 are these little pots of truffle butter that you can 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.560 get there like eight dollars, but it's real truffle shavings 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.200 in it. So good. Yeah, that sounds delicious. Through your 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.240 process for a second, how do you come up with 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.360 the idea for a recipe? I mean, how does it? 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.200 This is a good example, actually is I start with 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.960 a remembered flavor and you know we don't remember scrambled 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.240 eggs and um. And then I think, how can I 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.000 do it differently so it has more flavor, and how 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.280 can I do it so it's simpler. I just wanted 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.359 to be something you think you're gonna like, but it's 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.640 better than you remember. I know I have some go 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.400 to in a recipes. For example, I love the pasta 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.640 pasto salad with the peas and the and the pine nuts. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.160 But when you say I just want to make something 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.760 that I know is going to be delicious, what recipe 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.600 do you do well? You know, it's funny because I 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.920 think about I mean, after eleven books, I've really I mean, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.760 I'm working on the eleventh now, you know. I think, well, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.000 I have have like a thousand recipes, so it must 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.840 be I must be making a different thing all the time, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.400 and yet I go back to the same things that 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.200 I know that I can nail. And what are the 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.880 harmezon chicken with a salad on top? I think it's 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.600 in family style. Yeah, it's in family style. Um. One 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.720 of the things that we make all the time. This 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:40.200 is light. Yeah, we're wondering. How did you come to 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:47.920 work with Aina U through harassment? Um? I was friends 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:52.600 in college with someone who is the son my Lawyerina's lawyer, 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.320 and I wrote a letter. It was this year, my 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.000 last spring of college, and I didn't know what I 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.440 wanted to do, and so I wrote a letter saying, hi, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.680 and I really want to come work for you. And 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.200 I sort of thought I could do social media for her. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.120 It seemed like a natural fit. And well what happened 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.920 was it? I mean probably once every ten years we 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.280 might be looking for someone and it just happened to 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.760 the moment, and what I loved about Lydie was so 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.680 I mean, before I even knew her, is that she 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.800 didn't graduate from Boden and say I just want a job. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.599 She graduated from Boden and said I want to have 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.560 my dream job and that's working for Aina. And so 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.280 she just kept harassing her friend and tell me he 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.080 called his father and I said, well, how are you 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.599 even going to get here? And she said, don't worry 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.560 about it. I'll get there from Maine. And she showed 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.720 up on her doorstep with an entire social media plan 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.360 all laid out, and I just, I mean, we just felt. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.600 And then do you remember the final final straw was 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.040 that I said, what what drives you crazy in school? 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.040 She said, my my roommates don't clean up the house, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:59.440 the kitchen and the house. I thought, what Brown knows 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.640 there led there were twelve girls living in one house. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.720 I mean, it's it's in one kitchen. And I think 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.040 it's a really instructive story about how you can kind 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.640 of create your own job. Yeah, I mean, I mean, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.280 you're listening for this job. And also the lessons I 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.000 think people can take from what you did going for it, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.000 being persistent, right, not taking no for an answer, and 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.800 then being so prepared and not making the onus on 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.200 Aina to figure out all your logistics and to come 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:35.279 with the whole media plan. Well played like we played. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.800 So all you college graduates out there who may be 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.800 listening to our podcast, all two of you, my daughters, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.520 you should take take this seriously because I think it's 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.480 a great example of of finding your bliss, as they say, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:55.360 and here we are. My bliss is truffle scrambled eggs. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.520 Come with me, okay? So, um, are you in charge 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.520 of the rest of So when we test a recipe, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.760 what we do is read every single word to make 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.640 sure it's specific and it's exactly the right word. So, okay, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.240 should I read? What was? That's a medium? Um? Sawt 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.240 test pan? Right? You place some medium ten inch sautapan overright? Well, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.280 ten inches very helpful because I wouldn't know how big 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.040 a medium sawta pana? Thank you? That's exactly right because 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.440 you never know. And then you turn it on low heat. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.360 So is it two tablespoons or three? It says, um? 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.039 Two tablespoons? Oh, no, one and a half tablespoons unsalted 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.760 butter at room temperature? Now why unsalted? I know? Um? 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.640 Do you know, I think you can control the salt 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.440 better if you start with unsalted butter and then add salt, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.839 because different kinds of butter have different amount of salt 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.279 and salt. You know, I think the two most important 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.880 ingredients that anybody uses, They're gonna tell me, butter and salt. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.279 That's the third the two most important ingredients in cooking. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.200 Every single person has in their house salt and pepper. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.960 They make all that you can taste like chicken stock 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.360 that has no salt in it tastes like dirty dishwater. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.320 He puts salt in it, it tastes like full, rich 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.760 vegetables and chicken and wonderful flavor. So that's a huge 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.559 mistake that home cooks make all the time. They're afraid 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.200 of salt. And this whole thing about salt is totally 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.160 different now. I mean, everybody thought that salt was bad 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.600 for you, but it turns out too little salt has 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.600 a higher incidence of heart attack and stroke, and too 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:30.600 much salt has so apparently exactly by the way, I know, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.200 what I think is so exciting about cooking, and the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.640 little I cook is all the delicious salts you can get. Now, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:43.600 someone introduced me Bobby Flay not to day dropden salt. Yeah, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:49.280 it is a texture of its delicious. And also this 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.880 one I love. This is oh I have that you're doing? 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.160 Isn't it's just do you have it? It's just a 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.240 great hostess gift if you're coming to a Yeah, it's 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.760 Flota sal. It's really really good. Okay. Who's in charge 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.920 of cracking eggs? Will? Okay, so I need eight eggs? 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.559 Eight eggs's excellent. Now do you take the little white 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.560 thing that's attached to the yolk off? My mom always 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.360 did you know that little white stringy thing that is 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.520 attacked attached to the yolk? You don't? Well, now I 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.880 don't have to you don't. You're free. That's what it is. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.760 We always took it off. Actually, why don't we both 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.440 do it? How's that? Actually? One thing I do is 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.120 I crack it here so you don't get shells in 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:37.240 the That's smart, she says. So the recipe says, in 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.079 a large bowl, whisk together the eggs, half and half, 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:45.120 one teaspoon of salt, and a quarter teaspoon of pepper. Okay, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:54.000 So who's in charge of whisking good nice whisky? Brian? 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:59.160 Thanks Katie, how a lot of whisking practice. How much 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:04.920 salt and pepper? One and a half teaspoons of salt 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.000 on a quarter of pepper. I like having a recipe reader, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.280 So wow, that's a good amount of pepper. But it 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.360 looks great. So you have to be careful when you 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.200 are when it comes to putting butter in a pan. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.760 Don't you wind it well? Sometimes you want to burn it. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.520 If you want brown butter, which is burning waste is 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.240 um it's a It's a great thing to use like 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.360 in vegetables because it has that kind of like a 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.000 little sort of burnt butter flavor, which is natty. It's nutty, 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.600 that's exactly what. That's why it's called thee not nutty butter. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:40.080 I think in English it doesn't work. That was interesting 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.520 and preparing for this show, I read that your mother 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.680 had a kind of a dietetic background and you grew 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.520 up which she was a dietician, not being able to 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.440 eat a lot of carbs or butter or where did 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.040 you find that you did some research. My mother was 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.840 obsessive about food, so we weren't let any carbs, we 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.120 weren't let any butter. We had margarine Um, she just 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.320 kind of got dinner on the table, and I was 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.880 she wouldn't let you cook, she wouldn't let me cook, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.440 And and her idea of a great dessert was an apple, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.480 Like that just doesn't work. That's so funny. So is 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.320 this the ultimate rebellion? It's the ultimate rebellion. I'm still 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:23.800 working at my issues from my parents, But that's funny 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.160 that that she just just and she felt like your 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.080 job was to make good grades, study and not to 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.000 help in the kitchen, right exactly. Okay, here we go. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.200 I'm just gonna pour it in. This's the eggs, including 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.480 the show. I must have done that. No, that must 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.559 have been me. That's how you know it's real eggs. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.640 There's a little crunch in it. So again, this is 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.520 very very very low he I'm gonna let it just sit, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.120 okay until it just starts to heat up a little bit, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.240 until it's a little warm, and you'll see what happens 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.440 in the meantime. What about don't we need a little 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.800 brio toast to put this on? Absolutely? I think so 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.559 sort of very similar to hollow, isn't it? It is 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:07.880 waspy hollow. That's really great. So I'm just gonna do 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.640 some slices, and then what we'll do is we'll put 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:14.160 the eggs right on the brioche toast. I'll put some 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.240 slices in the toaster. Let's see. So what I'm gonna 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.120 do now is just as it's cooking, just sort of 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.320 fold the bottom over the top, and then as it 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.280 heats up a little bit. And in case you don't 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.880 sure the benefit of being here, which I assume you don't, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.240 we're talking to you on the podcast, the eggs are 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:36.000 just beginning to come together, but they're still mostly liquid. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.520 I was gonna say, thanks cheering for the eggs. I'm 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:46.360 rooting for the eggs. So are you stirring? Are you 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.440 in charge of stirring? Sure? Just make sure that you 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.280 get the eggs off the bottom of the pants. Yes, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.040 that's where they're going to tend to okay, And do 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.040 you stir this constantly? Pretty much? A little bit? Yeah? 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.319 And then I think the more you stir at the 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.480 more slowly, more slowly it heats up. And because eggs 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.599 are protein, and if you cook protein in a high temperature, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.480 it tends to get tough. This is so interesting. I'm 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.360 not going to ever make screens and it's such a 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.319 simple thing to do, and yet it really you w 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.679 you taste it, it just transforms it just transforms it. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.480 And one of the things too, is to cook it 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.600 until it's just undercooked, because it's gonna as it sits, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.240 it's going to continue to cook. You know, you said 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.040 something very funny once, you said you can feel bad 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.400 before you eat a cookie, you can feel bad after 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:34.360 you eat a cookie. But nobody fee. And I'm just curious, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.720 you know, since they're so since people are so sort 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.800 of health obsessed. Now, iina, do you ever feel pressure 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.559 to come up with the ways of cooking delicious things 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.319 that aren't quite as rench? I do, and I mean 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.640 I do anyway, because I don't think anybody wants all 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.600 rich things for dinner. So for example, last night, I 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.920 did short ribs on a bed of um blue cheese 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.840 grits for dinner. That's bad. But then I did a 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.560 coffee granita for dessert. So you balance things, right, you know, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.319 you want to You want things to be crisp and fresh. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.720 And I made roasted broccolini, so it was so very simple, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.360 vegetable and delicious. Are you're doing really well? I'm seeing 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.360 how interesting is it's really just starting to like cook 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.760 a little bit without actually big those big crumbles of 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.760 scrambled eggs. And you know what, one thing I know 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.000 I was going to bring up, you know, because I 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.160 I'm sort of obsessed with I try to eat healthy 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.160 and all that, and one of the things time I 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.720 feet about that. But one of the things that they've 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.480 studies that they found is you're much more sated if 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.000 you do have food, if you eat some fat, because 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.720 it makes you less hungry later. And so as opposed 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.959 to an entire box of cookies exactly disgusting those low 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.200 fat cookies and they replace the fat with sugar. But 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.240 I think that people don't need to be afraid necessarily 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.880 of having some some rich food or some fat as 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.960 long as it's balanced. Right, Okay, And how's it? It's 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.920 absolutely perfect? See how custody it is. Now. So the 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.320 next thing I want to do is put in a 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.520 tablespoon or two, depending on how we feel. So one 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.800 or two tablespoons of truffle butter. Okay, it's just I'm 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.400 gonna have this. Isn't it good? Should we taste? Make 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.480 sure it's okay? Here, I want to make sure the 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.920 truffle butter is all permeated in the eggs. Thank you, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.840 make sure it's and the toast is almost ready. Okay, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:42.120 let's give this a try, Brian. When we come back, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.360 we're gonna sit at innus kitchen table and enjoy the 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:54.720 fruits of her well our labor. I guess when it 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.320 comes to email marketing, there is so much more that 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.880 goes into creating smart and effective campaign than what meets 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.080 the I. 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Actually, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.200 I am Why do you should mention it? Katie? I 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.480 actually have some um chives? Because can I just say? 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.080 I have serious garden empty? I'm looking for my garden. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.920 Oh my god. The first thing up in the spring 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.200 is the chive. I'm looking out on your garden. You 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.840 have gosh, how many rectangles out there? Like fifteen or 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.160 six of gosh our twenty? And you what do you 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.119 grow out there? In flowers? And every year it's different tomatoes, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.080 lots of tomatoes. I love cherry tis. That's for you 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.520 so much? Shall we say? Yes? Let's so. When I 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.600 told people I know that I was coming here after 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.480 everybody told me how jealous they were. The second thing 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.800 everybody said was, well, you got to ask about Jeffrey. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:16.199 Everybody's obsessed with Jeffrey and your relationship with Jeffrey and 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:23.719 how you have this kind of perfect storybook marriage and embarras. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.000 We were coming through the airport in England and the 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.119 guy checking passports in London um looked, looked at his 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.360 passport and he said, it's you. You're the one. He said. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.120 My wife is always saying, why can't you be more 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:44.040 like Jeffrey Garten? That is so funny. But you guys 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.600 have a I mean, Jeffrey is still teaching at Yale right. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.400 He was the dean of the Business School for ten 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.560 years and he's been teaching for about ten or twelve. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.920 So is he So he's not here during the week, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.920 He's not. I mean, you know he comes and goes, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.160 but usually he's not here during the week. Yeah, but seriously, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.600 is that the absolutely makes the heart grow farm in 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.520 New York during the week, so we you know, we 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.520 see each other like Tuesday, Wednesday nine, So yeah, it's 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.439 it's no, that's not the secret. The secret is that 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.040 you just take care of each other and you admire 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.680 each other and support each other and and you get 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.680 that back. You met him when you were a teenager 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.280 and you were visiting your brother at Dartmoun was we 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.880 did our homework. I want to apologize that people hear 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:29.960 me chewing. I feel terrible if you weren't, if you went, oh, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.400 I don't want to eat this. So how old were you? 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.000 I was sixteen, I was fifteen. I was sixteen hun 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.879 at him and uh he came to he saw me 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.840 walking around the campus. Um, he said to somebody, his roommate, UM, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.520 I wonder who that girl is. Now. You have to 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.960 understand Dartmouth this all men at the time, So I 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.560 was like the only girl walking around and that was 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:57.240 competition exactly. It wasn't like I was, Oh mac Fierston 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:02.199 walking around Dartmound and six months later showed up at 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.879 my doorstep, which is amazing that he remembered. And Uh, anyway, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.840 you and Jeffrey never had kids, And did you spend 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.120 a lot of time with other people's kids or did 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.480 you just not have that desire so much? I mean 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.120 we we didn't. We decided not to have children. Um. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.879 I really appreciate that other people do. And we always 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.040 have friends that have children that were close to but 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.600 it just was a choice I made very early. A 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.919 lot of my married friends who don't have children, or 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.400 some of them who don't have children, Um, your children, right, yes, 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.920 But but they also feel like I did a whole 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.640 talk show on this when I had my my talk 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.280 show about the kind of how society sort of treats 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.720 couples who have decided not to have kids. And were 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.200 you ever faced with that? Did people ever to kind 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.920 of judge you at all? I never felt like people 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.600 did that. People did. Um. I think the one thing 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.000 that we missed is a lot of people's friends are 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.919 the parents of their kids friends. So we never had 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.000 that connection with other people that I see a lot 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.639 of that network that network exactly. UM. But no, I 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.280 just I never felt judged by it. Maybe people did, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.280 but I didn't notice. But I really felt I feel 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:15.680 that I would never have been able to have the 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.000 life I've had. Um. And so it's a choice, and 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.080 that was the choice I made. You said saying that 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.639 really struck me. You were asked at some event, you know, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.560 what issues do you have in your marriage or how 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.920 do you overcome the issues in your marriage? And you said, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.480 you know, we don't have dogs and cats and kids 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.119 and things that make it messy. We don't have We 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.720 don't actually because I mean we you know, we have 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.760 respect for each other. And if Jeffrey and I disagree 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:45.760 on something, he always agrees with me. I let that 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.439 reminds me of a toast. Here's to you, here's to me, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:53.520 and if we disagree, screw you. You can use that 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:59.040 very appoint It's a very appropriate Easter Sunday, you can 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.240 say that. I also think one of the nice things 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.840 about Jeffrey, among many nice things, is he really encouraged 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.160 you to do what you love. And totally some people 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.320 know this, some people don't an up. But I always 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.080 find it fascinating that you actually were writing nuclear policy 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.760 for the White House. I was for a period of time, 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.680 so clearly you're a bit of a brainiac. Now give 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:31.480 that jump to anybody, But what what drew you to 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.760 do that? And how did how did you land that job? 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.399 I was really interested in science, and I had a 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:40.400 job doing legislative work um in an Office of Management 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.560 and Budget for two years, where all the legislation comes 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.199 to you have to write up a paper for the 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.520 president with you know, recommendation, whether he science and legislation 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.240 or not um scary that they give that to twenty 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.240 five year olds, but that's what I did. But I 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.040 was really interested in science. So after two years I 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.920 switched over to the science and technology area and they 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:05.280 assigned nuclear energy budgets to me. No idea so much. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.600 It was really interesting, and I really got a sense 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.359 of what I wanted to do and what I didn't 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.240 want to do, right because because and you didn't want 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.280 to do that. You know, one of the things I, oh, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:15.920 this sounds so crazy, but the one of the things 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.080 I was sure I wanted in my next life. Because 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.600 you had to get dressed up. I mean you had 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.639 to wear silk blouses and heels and stock. Was that 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:28.919