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Speaker 1: So we're coming full circle because listeners, this week we're

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Speaker 1: running a specialty food store called No Surprise Here Barefoot Contessa. Well,

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Speaker 1: the owner when she was a little girl, that used

427
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Speaker 1: to call it the bere for Contessa because she was Italian.

428
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Speaker 1: So she named the store of the Bear for Contessa.

429
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Speaker 1: And you you went and saw it, and you get offered.

430
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Speaker 1: You made an offer next right then and there. I

431
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Speaker 1: walked into the store and they were baking cookies. I thought,

432
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Speaker 1: I want to be here, and I made her a

433
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Speaker 1: low offer, thinking she'll come back, we'll negotiate, we'll have

434
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Speaker 1: time to think about it. And um. She called me

435
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: the next day in my office and said, thank you

436
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: very much. I accept your offer. And I remember going,

437
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: oh ship. I loked one of my boss's office and said,

438
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: I think I just bought a food store. And you

439
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: did that for how long? Eighteen years? A long time,

440
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: which was fun. I mean it was. And when I

441
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: stopped doing that, I thought, I don't you know, I

442
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: thought it was time to do something else. I've done

443
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: that for a long time, and I thought it's really

444
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: time to do something else. But I just didn't know

445
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: what it was. And get there, and you just back

446
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Speaker 1: up for a second in the chronology. How did you

447
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: get excited about food and cooking? Because we heard that

448
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you grew up in a house where food was not special,

449
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: and I think I was starving. I think I was

450
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: always hungry. And you took this trip to France with Jeffrey.

451
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Speaker 1: We went on a camping trip. We had four months

452
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Speaker 1: with nothing to do and no money, and we decided

453
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Speaker 1: the only thing we could afford is a tent and

454
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: sleeping bags, and so we took a four month trip

455
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Speaker 1: to France. And I remember coming into in Normandy into

456
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Speaker 1: a campsite and it was kind of late in the afternoon,

457
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: and the woman who owned the campsite said, I just

458
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: made I think it was coco van for my husband

459
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: or before or something like that, and would you like

460
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: some for dinner. I was like yeah. I remember thinking

461
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Speaker 1: I need to know how to make this. And I

462
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: came home and after this trip and we and I

463
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: just bought Jelly Child's Mastering the Art of French Cooking Wow,

464
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: and started cooking while I was working in Washington. That's

465
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Speaker 1: what I would do at night is cook and then

466
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: I would have people over for dinner on the weekends.

467
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Speaker 1: And I think that's why when I was doing nuclear

468
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: energy during the day and cooking at night, and I thought, wait,

469
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I want to do that. So that's

470
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Speaker 1: how that's kind of how it started. I also thought

471
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Speaker 1: it was interesting that when I know you were making

472
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: a decision after eighteen years running and owning and cooking

473
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Speaker 1: and baking the coconut cupcakes and still obsessed with at

474
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Speaker 1: the Terrify Contessa. By the way, they were about the

475
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Speaker 1: size of my head. We relived in Big cook. You decided,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to do something else,

477
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Speaker 1: or I want to transition into some other aspect of

478
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Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And you took a year off because

479
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: someone said to you, you figure out what you want

480
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Speaker 1: to do next if you don't have time to really

481
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Speaker 1: think about it. Because I think many of us feel

482
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: like you can't get another job unless you have a

483
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: job is somehow you're less desirable. But that year off

484
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: was really important to you. But you said it was

485
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: the hardest year of your life. It's the hardest year

486
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Speaker 1: of my life because I went from like baking a

487
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Speaker 1: fasm me guests and having customers coming to the store

488
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Speaker 1: and the energy and sort of I always felt like

489
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: the store felt like a party, like when you walked

490
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Speaker 1: into the party, like the music was on and the

491
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Speaker 1: coffee was there and I've forgotten that something's got to

492
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: give that scene and there was filmed in the store. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: So I just I thought, well, for a while, I

494
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: tried to figure out what to do next, and I

495
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: just couldn't figure it out. And his friend said, you

496
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: have to stop type A. People think they can figure

497
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: out what they're going to do next while they're doing something,

498
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: and they can't. And I was like, okay, I built

499
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: myself in office upstairs and then I had nothing to do,

500
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean like nothing, so for a year, and out

501
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: of complete boredom, I thought, well, Jeffy said, well, stay

502
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: in the food business. You love the food business. And

503
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: I thought, well, people have asked me to write a cookbook,

504
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: but that's not the kind of thing I want to do.

505
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: So because I can't imagine i'd be able to write

506
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Speaker 1: a cookbook, and it seemed like a very solitary thing

507
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: as opposed to the store, which is very social and

508
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: fun and up and um, I thought, well, at least

509
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: after a year, at least I have something to do.

510
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: So I wrote a book proposal, thinking maybe I'll do

511
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that while I'm figuring out what to do next, and

512
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: you ended up loving it. Can we pause for a

513
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: two seconds so people can hear me take a bite

514
00:27:50,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: of my breath? Delicious? Okay, sorry, ahead, The eggs don't

515
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: make much sound, but the areas definitely does. That was

516
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: both affected and totally genuine, so and you ended up

517
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: loving the process of writing cookbooks, loving it and loving

518
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: the people you were working with. It turns out it's

519
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: not a solitary thing because there when we do the photographs,

520
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: there's you have to have a sense of design. You

521
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: have to know where you want to go, the photographers

522
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: and the stylists and the remember the first time, right

523
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: here in this kitchen, actually, I did a photo shoot

524
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Speaker 1: with the food stylist. I thought what a food stylist

525
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: did was like I would make the food, they would

526
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: put it on a plate, and then they would die.

527
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: They would die the turkey with exactly exactly, or brush

528
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: it with motor roy or somebody. And I was terrified

529
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: because I thought, how I have to make every single

530
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: recipe in this book for somebody to photographs. And I'm

531
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: standing behind this counter and I'm going, okay, what do

532
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: you want first? And the food style is said, I'm

533
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: the one who does the cooking, and I was like, oh,

534
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: this is great, and so she made everything in the book,

535
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and the prop stylus brought the perfect plate, and um,

536
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: the photographer was just wonderful. And I remember thinking, this

537
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: is so much fun and so creative and so interesting,

538
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I hope somebody's going to buy this

539
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: book so I can do it again. And now eleven

540
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: books later. Well, I guess you're eleven is coming out.

541
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I've done ten and I'm working on the eleven. Is

542
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: the eleventh going to be called? You're not going to

543
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: tell you have to come back Arizon? Can you give

544
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: us a hint? We have recipes in it. Can I

545
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: tell you why I think your cookbooks are so great?

546
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: I think you know, don't tell me, Okay, I think

547
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: you acknowledge, unlike a lot of other people, that entertaining

548
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: is difficult and stressful and anxiety producing. And you make

549
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: it so that you can kind of go step by

550
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: step through the process and figure out how not going

551
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: to be a nervous wreck when people show up, and

552
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: the food is going to be delicious, and it's going

553
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: to be done pretty much when people walk in the door.

554
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty uncommon for cookbooks, which sort

555
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: of expect you to be standing over a hot stove

556
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: while you're supposed to be simultaneously entertaining people. Is that, well,

557
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, the irony is I remember thinking going into

558
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the cookbook business, what makes me think that I can

559
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: write a cookbook when great restaurant chefs write cookbooks. But

560
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I realized very quickly I knew two things that restaurant

561
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: chefs didn't know. One is, I'm not a trained professional cook.

562
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've cooked more than most people, but I'm

563
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: really I never went to see a culinary institute c

564
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: I A. I never went to really formal training, So

565
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: I know it's really stressful for me to cook, so

566
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: it's important for me that it's really simple to make.

567
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing is when you own especially food store,

568
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: you find out what people like to eat at home

569
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to in restaurants. So you'd like to eat

570
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: cook and a cupcakes, roast chicken, roast carrots, um. When

571
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: you got to a restaurant, you want something a little

572
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: more challenging like rosa buco, or you want something like

573
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: um uh we bez, which is harder to make it home.

574
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: So um, So is that sort of your motto or

575
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: your edicts? Simplicity? Totally simplicity as much as possible. That

576
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: it's if it's something that I make and we that night,

577
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: my assistant Barbara goes home and makes it for her family.

578
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: I think, yes, that was a great recipe. Um. If

579
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: if I make something and three quarters of the way

580
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: through I get bored with it, it goes in the

581
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: trash and never makes it in a book, it has

582
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: to be something I'm willing to make again for company.

583
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Let me pick up mine on something Brian said, because

584
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: I do try to entertain, and what I find myself

585
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: totally pittying out about, which is so appealing and talking

586
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: about cooking is getting everything ready at once, and I'm

587
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: so bad at that, Like I can do most of it,

588
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: but then I panic at the end. Well, that's part

589
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: of the deal. I mean, it's not like I don't either.

590
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: Jeffrey knows in the fifteen minutes before people arrived. I'm

591
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: always going to talk to me, do you do you

592
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: try to do dishes that I'll tell you what I

593
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: try and do. I try and do something that's in

594
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: the oven, something that's on top of the stoves and

595
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: they're not competing with each other, and something I made

596
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: an advance that um is served at room temperature so

597
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: that you don't have to think about having all those

598
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: things hot at the same time. That's that's good advice.

599
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: So it's really about the planning more than it is

600
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: the doing. It's if you plan it and you say um,

601
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: and you plan it carefully, you don't end up with

602
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: one of and and two things that go in a

603
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: different temperatures. But that goes back to the you know

604
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: what I call the game plan, and if you do

605
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: the game plan and you figure it out, so like

606
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: you plant your dinner parties like the Normandy Invasion, which

607
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: are very helpful. Actually, you know, every time people come

608
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: for dinner, and I have a whole written list of

609
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: like seven ten, put the ham in the oven, seven thirty,

610
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: take the ham out, put the broccoli, and and then

611
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't go at at noon. I'm I'm not panicking.

612
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I should start cooking now. No, I'm not. I shouldn't

613
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: start cooking because my list says it starts at five thirty.

614
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: That's really that's really smart. It's pretty simple. But it's

615
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: such a great way to organize yourself. But you can

616
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: also start in the morning if you want to make

617
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: like a watermelon and fed and mint salad or whatever

618
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: you might do, and you can do it and put

619
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: it in the reference. It's actually better because all the

620
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: flavors get together. So beyond the cookbooks and the TV show,

621
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: you briefly had a line of products, both frozen foods

622
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: and mixes. I did, and then those kind of came

623
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: and went well for different reasons. But I love the products.

624
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I was really proud of what we did. But the

625
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: companies changed, and um, we didn't. We didn't love the

626
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: way the direction of the companies were going in. And

627
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: I just I love what I do. I love the cookbooks,

628
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: I love the TV show, I love um having a life,

629
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: having time left off for life, and uh, I just

630
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: if it's not making me happy, I don't want to

631
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: do it. Think that's a really powerful lesson from your

632
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: life for other people. You you edit I did constantly,

633
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and you just think, if I'm not enjoying this part

634
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: of my life, I'm going to get rid of it.

635
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: If it doesn't make me happy, it's not gonna make

636
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: anybody else happy. I think it's um that really translate.

637
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: And if I don't have time to do things going

638
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: to say, I think it's as much about spreading yourself

639
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: too thin. I went to this meditation retreat. I know

640
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you're learning so much about people. I didn't really stick,

641
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: but they told us that the Maharishi's that he said,

642
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: what do you think the most important word for happy

643
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: life is no, no peacefulness, no discernment. Discernment isn't that interesting.

644
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: So deciding what is important, deciding how you're going to

645
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: spend your time, and clearly you practice that by saying

646
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to do so much that perhaps it'll

647
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: keep me from doing the things I love. Well, yeah, yeah,

648
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: that's exactly. I mean, he said that I'd like you

649
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: to bring back the scone. Man, I'll make some mixed

650
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: for you and I'll drop it off. That's well, that's

651
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was really proud of those products.

652
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I thought we did a really good job and we

653
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: worked really hard on them. But unless the companies goes

654
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: to stay with the quality of what we wanted to do,

655
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: then it doesn't work. But you talk about how people

656
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: come to you all the time with this proposals and

657
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: ideas and you say no to almost all of them. Yeah,

658
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I say no almost all of them. I mean, people

659
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: wanted me to design a line of clothing. I'm like,

660
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: I wear the same thing every day. They did want

661
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: you to do somebody want to make clothing. Somebody wanted

662
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: me to do furniture. I'm like furniture, Well, I think

663
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: you know what they wanted to do in it, which

664
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: I think you see more and more of these days.

665
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: They wanted you to be a lifestyle brand, and you

666
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: see so many people becoming, from Jessica Alba to Race

667
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: with Paltrow, the ultimate lifestyle brand. And that just didn't

668
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: appeal to you. I just I mean I looked, as

669
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: you say, I love doing what I do really well

670
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: and having life, you know, just having a wonderful Somebody

671
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: asked me if if I would do a line of fertilizer,

672
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: did you say, just go to a cow pass was like,

673
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: why would I do that? Do you do you think

674
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: of yourself? And it's totally different from fertilizer to people

675
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: think of you? Do you do you? I consider yourself

676
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: a feminist, You're a powerful working woman. I yeah, I do.

677
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Um I think that. Um My. When I left working

678
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: in the White House, I knew I was never going

679
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: to be the head of that organization. This was the seventies.

680
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: It was never going to happen. And the only way

681
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: that I was going to determine my own future was

682
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: to do it myself. And so I think my decision

683
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: to own my own business was part of that. Is that,

684
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of a lot of women

685
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: fight the existing system rather than creating their own system.

686
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Amen to that, sister, don't you think. So you can't

687
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: change the system, and maybe you can move it a

688
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's very hard to change. And so

689
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I've always chosen to create my own system in which

690
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: I can be successful. And I think you were ahead

691
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: of your time, because now I think there's a much

692
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: more entrepreneurial attitude among people, and obviously well all new,

693
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: whole new businesses are popping up because of technology, and

694
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: women are very successful in corporations. But in the seventies

695
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: that's not true. That wasn't true, right, But even now, uh,

696
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: you look at the number of CEOs and the fortune

697
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: five hundred and spathetically small that if you look at

698
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, of course it is en pretty well not right.

699
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: If you look at women actually in tech and high

700
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: positions in tech, it's actually dis worse. And so, um, yes,

701
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: it's gotten perhaps better, but in many ways the obstacles

702
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: are there. Yeah, I think there's a lot of subtle

703
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: sexism too in the workplace that can be very demoralizing

704
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: at times, but I'm sure it's people. I'm saving that

705
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: from my book the next podcast. But it's interesting your

706
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: brand is kind of a combination of the old fashioned

707
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: and the modern. You're you're cooking for your husband. Your

708
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: latest book was called Cooking for Jeffrey. But at the

709
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: same time you're a powerful independent female business owner. Thank you.

710
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I think that people can can have

711
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: both and can can sort of reflect their values in

712
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: a multitude of different ways. Well, I think Jeffrey's advice

713
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: really was great is do what you love and if

714
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: you love it, you'll be very good at it. But

715
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: it's not it's not without risk. And we got a

716
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: voicemail from someone, It's a very sweet voicemail who wanted

717
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: to talk to you about your decision to really its career.

718
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: So let's listen and you can respond. Hi, Katie and Brian.

719
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: My name is Kendra. I live in North Carolina and

720
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: I have a new listener to your show and love

721
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: it so much. And then I heard you were going

722
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: to have a garden on the show, which made me

723
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: jump up and down. Um, I have a question for

724
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: her about her relationship with risk. Um. I'm always moved

725
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: by women who make choices that are daring, who are

726
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: trailblazers who do things that they might fail at, especially

727
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: in the public eye. And so I I would love

728
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: to know Dina's thoughts on her journey, the evolution of

729
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: her journey of risk and failure when she opened that

730
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: first shop in the Hanton years ago and up to now. Um,

731
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I would love to just open her head and write

732
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: out what she thinks about risk to inspire me to

733
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: not be so free. So please change my life, Dinah.

734
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. We don't want to open up your

735
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: head because that sounds very uncomfortable. But you know, I

736
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: think people um stand at the side of the pond

737
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: talking about what the pond is. Is it too hot?

738
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: Is it to call? Does it deep? Is it all

739
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the things are? They think murky things under there? Um,

740
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: I think that you have to just jump in the

741
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: pond and answer to Kendra. Um. I have a very

742
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: low threshold of boredom. If I'm bored, I need to

743
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: change things. And I just I can't stand being bored,

744
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: and so I'll take a risk which heightens your awareness

745
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: of what you're doing. It makes you a little scared,

746
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: and you know that, I think that's good being a

747
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: little scared, because if it keeps you up at night.

748
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: You'll figure out the problems. But when you're jumping in

749
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: the pond, it's not that you're just going to stay

750
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: in that pond. That's just the beginning of it. It's

751
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: then you look over there and you go the ponds

752
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: really interesting over there. So you go in that direction,

753
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: and then you go in another direction, and you keep

754
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: going until you find the stream that feels right to you.

755
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: So it's not a one time thing. It's just you're

756
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: just pushing yourself off the cliff and going where it

757
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: takes you. And even and I like being scared, and

758
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: and and also I think failure is not the worst things.

759
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: If something doesn't work out, you learned from it and

760
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: it helps you move forward in a different way. Don't

761
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you think I just calling it a failure is the

762
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: wrong way to think about it. It's just a lesson learned,

763
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: and you go and and then you find out what

764
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: worked in that and what didn't work, and then you

765
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: go to the thing that worked or the thing that

766
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: you liked and go in that direction. We need to

767
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: we need to to stop using the effort. I want

768
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: to ask you a question about all those years before

769
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you ventured off on your own as a cookbook writer

770
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: and a TV star. You you were owning and operating

771
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: this shop. You were kind of serving wealthy summer residents

772
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: and you became part of the community of people who

773
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: live here year round, who don't have mansions on the ocean.

774
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Did that teach you something about inequality or divides in

775
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: the country because you've been able to sort of traverse

776
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: both the world, Well, East Hampton is not just wealthy

777
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: people with big houses on the ocean. Their farmers and

778
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: fishermen and builders and all the trades that exist anywhere

779
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: else are here. Um. I think East Hamptons have gotten

780
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the Hampton's have gotten a reputation from you

781
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: know TV shows as being just you know, wealthy people

782
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: behaving badly. Um, And so I think it's a you know,

783
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: it's it's like any community. There's a broad spectrum of

784
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: people that live here, and they all love coconut cupcakes,

785
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: and so it's you know, the price of admission to

786
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: bear for contesta with zero you can wander through and

787
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: have some samples of coconut cupcakes and and and be

788
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: out on the street, or you can buy a baguette

789
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: for a few dollars and have a wonderful time. So

790
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: they're like everyday pleasures. It's not like, um, you know,

791
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: buying a mansion on the beach. So I think, you know,

792
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: food appeals to everybody, and I like that kind of

793
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: feeling about it. There's an expression these days. I think

794
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: my daughter taught me food porn, and when it comes

795
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: to things like Instagram and even the various food networks,

796
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: there's something so mesmerizing about watching people cook and make food.

797
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: And I could watch some of these videos on Instagram

798
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: and we didn't love them. Yeah, I mean all day

799
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: many people who watch these videos would never cook what

800
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: they're watching. No, but it's just so much fun. Why

801
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: do you think people are so do you think it's

802
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: escapism in a weird way. I think that we all

803
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: long for that mother who's in the kitchen cooking for us,

804
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: and she's not there anymore. And there's that center where

805
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: somebody's rolling out pasta or cooking roasting a chicken, and

806
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: she's a doctor and a lawyer and a you know,

807
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, doing podcasts. Someone to say more um, and

808
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: so that sort of core of us is missing, that

809
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: is mom home in the kitchen, that we're familiar with,

810
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: and I think people are coming back to that, and

811
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I think Food Network had a huge amount to do

812
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: with it. There's so many chefs, celebrity chefs out there.

813
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Do you ever get competitive? Is there a bitchy side

814
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: to Eina Garden? Please tell me there is? Thank you.

815
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: Brian's true. I've actually never looked at what other people

816
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: are doing. I just look at what I'm doing and

817
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: do the best I can, and just I mean, i'd

818
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: like to there's there's an edge there, But is that true?

819
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to. Somebody once said, you're exactly the

820
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: way you're on TV. Your language is a little worse.

821
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: But you were reluctant to host a cooking show you

822
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: had written, I think your second cookbook, and the Food

823
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Network came to you and you didn't really want to

824
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, I just couldn't know. I had

825
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: gotten used to writing cookbooks. I love doing it. I

826
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: wasn't bored, so I wasn't looking for something else. And

827
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: they kept coming back over and over again and saying, please,

828
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: won't you do it? And they kept upping the offer,

829
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not negotiating. I don't want to

830
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: do it just lose my number. And they found a

831
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: production company in London whose work I loved. Um, but

832
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: it was Nigella Lawson's show. But I'm thinking, I'm not

833
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: an Angela Lows and I can't do that. And and

834
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: they hired them and called me and said they're coming

835
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: to your house in two weeks to do the show.

836
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I'm not doing it. And I said, oh,

837
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: just do thirteen shows. And I thought, well, I'll be terrible.

838
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I'll do thirteen shows and then we'll be done with

839
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: it and they'll lose my number. So that years ago,

840
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: years ago. And now you have a whole barn on

841
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: your property and that's where you shoot your most Mostly

842
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: what I do is cook tester. I mean that's my office.

843
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: That's where we meet every morning and we test recipes

844
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: for the cookbooks and then twice a year we do

845
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: the TV shows there. So and we're actually just doing

846
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: a new series which starts I think the end of May.

847
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: Um oh, please plug it. As as people are going

848
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: more towards like food, food, porn and game shows, we're

849
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: going in the other direction. And I'm doing a series

850
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Speaker 1: called cook Like a Pro, which is all those sort

851
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: of little tips you need to know, like how to

852
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: cut a butternut squash in the best way, and how

853
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: to how to do their it's recipes, but more information

854
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: than just tips. It's about processes. Would be interested to know, Yeah, definitely, Yeah,

855
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: because those kinds of tips, then you know it and

856
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: it can serve you sort of the rest of your life.

857
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: And you have to come up with a new show.

858
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: Someone's in the kitchen with. I know you people are

859
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: someone's in the kitchen with. And you can sambled eggs

860
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: with truffles ambrios. This is kind of our tradition. By

861
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the way, every thing on every podcast now, the audience

862
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: demands it. If we go an episode without singing, they

863
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: get annoyed. So give the people what they want. So,

864
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: in addition to to all the things that you're doing, Aina,

865
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: are there other things about you that people don't know,

866
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: Issues that you care about, things that you talk about

867
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: with your friends that are important to you. But one

868
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: of the things you and I have talked about is

869
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: um is organizations that happen, and I think Ellie is

870
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: with one of working with the Southern Poverty carry Actually

871
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: my younger daughters working with the Southern Center some and

872
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: I mean organizations that help people locally and nationally like

873
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: the a c l u UM with immigrants that have issues.

874
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many incredible support systems in

875
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: this country, and I think it's it's getting harder and

876
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: harder to rely on the government to fund them, so

877
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: people have to we really need to. I've been involved

878
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: in the Innocence Project is which is I think they

879
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: do an amazing job, isn't it. I witness testimony is

880
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: so unreliable and so many people have been convicted of

881
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: things they didn't do. And so that's that's one issue

882
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: you really care about. Are there are there others that

883
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time on? You know, I

884
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: think there's so many organizations that UM need help. I mean,

885
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: I support Plan Parenthood. I think, um they do an

886
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: amazing job and I know they're under enormous stress now

887
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: UM And frankly people don't understand that. I don't know,

888
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: like of what they do as women's health, it's you know,

889
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: it's a very important organization for women that can't afford

890
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: good doctors. And the thing that is so political is

891
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: a very very small part of what they do and

892
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: the money that they get from the government already cannot

893
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: go to fund abortion services. People don't understand that. Yeah,

894
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: but how do you get your news? I'm just curious.

895
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Um, New York Times, Washington Post online, both

896
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: hard copy and online. I think it's a different experience. UM,

897
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: I still like I do you know why. I just

898
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: like the I'd like to see the layout because it

899
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: tells me a lot about the editorial choices that have

900
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: been made in terms of how they prioritize articles. I

901
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. Yeah, if I don't get the

902
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: hard copy, I miss stuff for whatever reason. Because online

903
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: is so targeted to my interests, I can't find the

904
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: unexpected thing. But I'm like the only one, you know,

905
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: I know under forty, I have the body of a

906
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: seven year Do not stop saying that, well, this has

907
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: been such a treat for us. It's really been, and

908
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: I think you know it must be. I don't know.

909
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Do you get uncomfortable about the fact that there are

910
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: so many people who feel connected to you and admire

911
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: you so much? And I think in many ways I

912
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: feel that your presence is really comforting to them. Thank you.

913
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. You know that I know, I love as

914
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Brian said that, you know, people had to cook because

915
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: when you cook, everybody shows up. I mean, nobody's ever

916
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: called and said come for dinner. I'm cooking and said no,

917
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: no, no no, I really don't want a home cook meal.

918
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: But when everybody shows up, that's when you create a

919
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: community for yourself. And so it's not really about the food,

920
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: although it's nice, if it's delicious, it's really about the

921
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: people that share it with you. Are you and Martha

922
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: Stewart buds? I mean we've been We've known each other

923
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: for a really long time. Yeah, we used to do

924
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: parties together. Actually one time we do benefits together. Really

925
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: one time Martha made a ham and brought it on

926
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: the Today Show and after the segment, I asked our

927
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: food crew if I could take the ham, and uh

928
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: so I ended up serving it for Easter and it

929
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: was a big conversation piece. It must have been a

930
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: really good ham. Was a really good ham. It was

931
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: a really good ham. Anyway, we'll speaking of really good hands.

932
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: Yours is in the oven. We don't want to keep

933
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: you too long because it is Easter and you have

934
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: to prepare Easter dinner. But thank you. This was such

935
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: a such a treat. Really happy East, happy Easter, too

936
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: happy over whatever, your spring awakening. Hap have a wonderful time.

937
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: And just when we thought we got everything, who walks

938
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: in the door but Jeffrey Garden in the flesh and

939
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: uh and in the sweatpants. And of course we got

940
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: to talk to the man, not I guess behind the woman. Yeah,

941
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, are you nice to see you? I'm good?

942
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: How are you? This was such a treat. So we've

943
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: been talking about you, Jeffrey. Yes, we have all things,

944
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: these two. This show was going to be called Aina

945
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey. The real story. Well, I don't think I

946
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: was in the contract. Do you feel like, Jeffrey, you

947
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: finally learned to cook being married to this wonderful woman

948
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: all these years. You're kidding right at all? It makes

949
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: really good coffee. I have a very lame excuse that

950
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: we were married so young. With the exception of my

951
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: time in the army, I never lived alone, so I

952
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: never had a chance to cook because she kind of

953
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: preempted right from the very Jeffrey. Everybody sorry for Jeffrey.

954
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: And when you were in the military. By the way,

955
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, we know too much about it you learned

956
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: to speak Thi, Yes he did. He lived in Can

957
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: you say something to me in Thai? Well you wouldn't understand, Okay. Anyway, Well,

958
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: we've had so much fun. This has been really, really

959
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: a treat. Thanks very much to Ina Garten for opening

960
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: up her home and her heart to us for this.

961
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful on a beautiful Sunday morning with

962
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: the sun coming through Sunday. That's right, the sun coming

963
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: through the windows and the birds chirping, and it was

964
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: just idyllic. Also thanks to Gianna Palmer for producing the show,

965
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: to Jared O'Connell for mixing and engineering, or Richie for

966
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: additional production assistance. And thanks also to our social media Maven.

967
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: I think that has that on her card, Alison Bresnik

968
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: social media Maven and your cards. That's right and right

969
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: my new cards. And to Emily Bena for her part

970
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: in producing. And I should add one thing, Katie, thank

971
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: you for cooking us an amazing dinner last night. Maybe

972
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: inspired by Iah a little bit, you made this leg

973
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: of lamb and lemon pasta and asparagus and cupcakes and

974
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: halla Halla for those of us who are celebrating the

975
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Paysach as well as the easter and you put us

976
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: all up at your beautiful how us last night, Well,

977
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. And that's a train

978
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: in the background. Everybody, we're right near the tracks and

979
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the track. And Mark Phillips

980
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: thank you as always for our wonderful theme music. Katie Kurk,

981
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: Mitch Simmil and I are our executive producers. And remember

982
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: you can email us at comments at Currek podcast dot

983
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,640
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984
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: Katie Curic on Twitter and Instagram and Katie dot Kurric

985
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