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Speaker 2: How's it going, everybody? This is a wonderful evening production
Speaker 2: of the Socks on thirdyfif podcast, a live reaction podcast
Speaker 2: to the latest trade of Luis Castia to the White Sox.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Nick Awen Brett Haffner. Gentlemen, I will
Speaker 2: let you to talk. Well, I figure out what's going
Speaker 2: on with this livestream right now. Gentlemen, how are we?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Doing good? I appreciate you taking care of that day.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 1: Nice, that was easy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, obviously we're excited to discuss the trade. Lots
Speaker 3: of I've been reading a lot of opinions about it
Speaker 3: in the left half hour, however long it's been since
Speaker 3: it came out, lots of really polarizing viewpoints on it.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to hear what you guys think.
Speaker 2: I've been at a family party for the majority of this,
Speaker 2: and I will just start by saying, I am surprised.
Speaker 2: I want to give I know it's a live, instant
Speaker 2: reaction show, but you want to give it some time
Speaker 2: to marinate. And I always appreciate Nick your thoughts. You're
Speaker 2: usually a lot more levelheaded than either Douk or Eye
Speaker 2: usually on the show. But I think exciting is a
Speaker 2: good word to start for how I'm feeling. But from
Speaker 2: there I think there are other things to consider and
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Speaker 4: So I will start with this.
Speaker 2: The full trade is Luis Castillo for Sir Anthony Dominguez,
Speaker 2: Nolan Jones and Boston Smith, and the White Sex will
Speaker 2: be taking on the full salary for both twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six remaining for Castille as well as twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: He's owed twenty two point seven five million dollars. Next year,
Speaker 2: Sir Anthony Dimingez his entire salary of ten million dollars
Speaker 2: goes to Seattle, and that leaves Nolan Jones and Boston
Speaker 2: Smith as.
Speaker 4: The other two pieces. That's the that's the trade.
Speaker 1: Deal.
Speaker 2: I guess Nick, you were the Boston Smith guy. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much we talked about it on the show,
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of back and forth about,
Speaker 2: you know, whether or not you'd actually like to trade
Speaker 2: on I on, we had Michael Swerro on here a
Speaker 2: little bit while or not, what about a week ago
Speaker 2: to kind of talk about some of the trade pieces,
Speaker 2: and his name came up.
Speaker 4: We'll start with your reactions and go from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my take on Boston Smith was I did
Speaker 3: not want the White Sauce to trade him if it
Speaker 3: was for a rental. I mean, anyone I would prefer
Speaker 3: that didn't trade in period, but especially if it was
Speaker 3: for Freddy Peralta or somebody like that who's not on
Speaker 3: the team past this season. So at least with Castillo,
Speaker 3: they're getting someone who's still under team control for twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven and also a vesting option for twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight if he throws one hundred and eighty or more
Speaker 3: innings in twenty twenty seven. That being said, it's not
Speaker 3: as big of a positive as I'm making it out
Speaker 3: to be because obviously Castillo's having a down year. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's the elephant in the room, I suppose, So there
Speaker 3: is a world where him having that extra team control,
Speaker 3: even though it's it's nice to have those years, but
Speaker 3: it's like twenty two million, for example, for his salary,
Speaker 3: So he's not a cheap player. So if he remains
Speaker 3: the player he is right now, it's not going to
Speaker 3: be great. So the calculated risk that gets in the
Speaker 3: White start taking is that they can unlock something in
Speaker 3: him that makes in the picture he was from twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen to twenty twenty five rather than the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six version. And that's where we kind of just have
Speaker 3: to wait and see. I mean, I look through all
Speaker 3: of his metrics, as I know Brett was as well.
Speaker 3: We were talking about that before he went on and
Speaker 3: kind of looking for things like what could what could
Speaker 3: you do differently, what's changed between this year and last
Speaker 3: and all that. Brett start off with that talk because
Speaker 3: he had more thoughts than me. But overall it's one
Speaker 3: of those trades where I'm mostly okay with it because
Speaker 3: the prospect package we gave up wasn't that much, even
Speaker 3: though I was a huge Boston Smith fan. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, that's what smart organizations do. They get
Speaker 3: guys like Boston Smith and they quickly flip them for
Speaker 3: better assets, like they're doing right here. So even though
Speaker 3: it's a little bittersweek, given how productive he has been,
Speaker 3: I at least understand the vision.
Speaker 2: I will say this about the trade in general, like
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, It's fine, right like that that was
Speaker 2: my initial thought. I was excited by it. Obviously, It's
Speaker 2: nice to be in a world where the White Sox
Speaker 2: are buyers, and I think that's one thing that primarily
Speaker 2: I want to keep in mind, Like, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's cool that they are buyers. I
Speaker 2: look at it from two avenues. Number one is you're
Speaker 2: taking a guy who was making twenty two million technically
Speaker 2: is only going to make twelve. It's only twelve million
Speaker 2: additional your taste, so you're kind of getting to steal
Speaker 2: for twelve million next season. That's fine given his pedigree,
Speaker 2: in which you would probably have to pay for some
Speaker 2: one of his caliber. So, like, the money thing isn't
Speaker 2: a concern to me. What does become a concern to
Speaker 2: me is if this is the only thing the White
Speaker 2: Sox du like. That's where I say, like in a vacuum,
Speaker 2: It's a good move, right, But if this is the
Speaker 2: only thing they do, I'm not personally sure how I
Speaker 2: feel about taking on the twelve million and getting a
Speaker 2: guy who's had mixed results to say the least this season.
Speaker 3: So after looking into a couple things, I mean, I
Speaker 3: honestly hadn't been paying much attention to how he was
Speaker 3: doing this year. One thing I noticed was I kind
Speaker 3: of went and looked at all, right, is there some
Speaker 3: like are we seeing a decrease in vlo? And actually
Speaker 3: his fastball is like half a tick up, so there's
Speaker 3: no concern about you know, oh, there's a big drop
Speaker 3: off in Filo. The one thing that I am a
Speaker 3: low concerned with though, is that he is putting away
Speaker 3: hitters a lot less this year than in previous years,
Speaker 3: so the strikeout percentage is a bit down from the
Speaker 3: past couple of years. The one thing that I do
Speaker 3: like coming into this organization though, at that even with
Speaker 3: a down year, he's still not walking the world, because
Speaker 3: I know that we do have some pitchers who really
Speaker 3: struggle with that in this org So I'm glad that
Speaker 3: there's that kind of like you know, I know, Nick,
Speaker 3: you're a big Boston Smith guy. But we got to
Speaker 3: remember we got Boston Smith only earlier this year for
Speaker 3: Curtis Meade, and that's one of those things that sure
Speaker 3: we were able to unlock some things that potentially do that,
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, we didn't have
Speaker 3: to give up multiple prospects. I've seen some people incorrectly
Speaker 3: called Nolan Jones still a prospect, but that man has
Speaker 3: been shipped between multiple MLB franchises at this point, between
Speaker 3: uh Colorado and Cleveland. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: only giving up one prospect for a non rental starter
Speaker 3: who has major durability. If you look at his Baseball
Speaker 3: Reference He's pitched thirty plus starts a lot of his career,
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, we need someone
Speaker 3: with playoff experience. He's got a two two five ERA
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and having that experience in kind of
Speaker 3: another veteran presence in that rotation from successful franchises.
Speaker 1: I'm actually really I really like this trade so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the real quick before you go, Nick, I
Speaker 2: will say there are a couple for folks who are
Speaker 2: listening ione want to drop your thoughts in the chat.
Speaker 2: We will read those out and kind of answer questions
Speaker 2: from there. I will just say that for anyone listening
Speaker 2: to drop him in there and we can get to him.
Speaker 2: But Nick ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say that before we get too
Speaker 3: deep on the Castillo question, like what's he doing row?
Speaker 1: What can be fixed?
Speaker 3: I do also just want to mention that, I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe this whole age poorly, but I was saying to
Speaker 3: somebody today when washing the game, I kind of feel like,
Speaker 3: Sir Anthony Dominga's head has fixed, well whatever his issue was,
Speaker 3: Like he's had like three or four outings in a
Speaker 3: row now where I actually though he looked pretty good today.
Speaker 3: I was it was like he only threw a couple
Speaker 3: of balls. I think it was pretty much all on
Speaker 3: the zone. And I'm not saying this means he was
Speaker 3: going to be perfect the rest of the season, but
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is nice because now you
Speaker 3: have Taylor and Hicks as your really dependable right handed
Speaker 3: high leverage you guys, but ingas as well. It can
Speaker 3: be like sixth seventh inning and someone you can trust.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be really nice for the playoffs. And
Speaker 3: then we trade him later that day, so I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that it would have continued. I know he's been
Speaker 3: very inconsistent, but just want to put that out there.
Speaker 3: I'm not convinced that he's as bad as he was
Speaker 3: in the last you know, one or two months. So
Speaker 3: that's that's one thought I had when I saw his
Speaker 3: name as part of the trade. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I actually kind of liked him now, but whatever, it's
Speaker 3: too little, too late.
Speaker 2: It's inconsistent results, right Like it's again, if you look
Speaker 2: just purely strike our rate, walk rate, home run number,
Speaker 2: of thinks like this is that that is who Diminas
Speaker 2: is and that's going to lead to some really nice outings,
Speaker 2: and that's going to lead to some really terrible addings.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what the White Sox ultimately kind
Speaker 2: of had to fight against. My other point, as you
Speaker 2: brought it up, is the lack of a reliever in
Speaker 2: the bullpen and baseball tossed in the chat was kind
Speaker 2: of mentioning exactly that, And it's wonder if McDougal comes
Speaker 2: up for the Boston I it almost seems to me
Speaker 2: that the White Socks are put wishing it in their
Speaker 2: chips on McDougall and Smith Hagen Smith and possibly even
Speaker 2: Shane Smith why know is still starting, but at least
Speaker 2: those two we're going to make them relievers for this team,
Speaker 2: and that's how we're planning to address the bullpen. And
Speaker 2: if we have to trade a piece cool we needed
Speaker 2: deming As more, I guess instead of talking like the
Speaker 2: White Sex, the White Sex feel like they needed deming
Speaker 2: As more when they originally signed him versus now because
Speaker 2: you had Taylor step up and Brian Hudson step up,
Speaker 2: and now you have the flexibility to add McDougall and Smith.
Speaker 2: And does it make sense long term? Probably because you
Speaker 2: don't really need a relieve her more than you need
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher, right.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Nicholas Baker in the chat also mentioned because he has
Speaker 2: a great teammate and great dude, and that's certainly been
Speaker 2: the based on his profile ood he looks like a
Speaker 2: Mariners fan, so I think he's speaking from experience there,
Speaker 2: but also is what I've heard from around just reading
Speaker 2: from fans, like he's a well liked baseball player with
Speaker 2: Brett to your point, a lot of playoff experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got one one other thing that Carter Lawler
Speaker 3: kind of hints that a little bit. One thing the
Speaker 3: Mariners had going on a little bit that they had
Speaker 3: to kind of get creative with was they have I
Speaker 3: believe they had six starters up in the rotation. And
Speaker 3: Castillo actually expressed a little bit of frustration earlier in
Speaker 3: the season with the idea of the piggybacking that was
Speaker 3: happening before the all start break. And obviously we just
Speaker 3: you know, mentioned that, you know, Castillo has been a
Speaker 3: well liked, you know, Mariner for quite a long time
Speaker 3: now the time he's done with the ORG.
Speaker 1: And I will say though that, you know, Carter Lawler
Speaker 1: make a great point in the.
Speaker 3: Chat like this could be a great change of scenery too,
Speaker 3: because we are in a situation where hey, Luis, we're
Speaker 3: giving you the ball every fifth day.
Speaker 1: You are going to get there, You're going to get
Speaker 1: your innings. You're going to be a.
Speaker 3: Guy who we probably consider our sp three right now,
Speaker 3: Like there is going to be a level importance that
Speaker 3: we are placing on him where perhaps in the Mariners org,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe you know, because they have a really
Speaker 3: talented group of Brian wu George Kirby, Emerson, Hancock, you
Speaker 3: can name them all. He was probably at the bottom
Speaker 3: of that rotation right now, where he is going to
Speaker 3: get promptly placed based on his caliber and based on
Speaker 3: his check record, kind of right in the middle right now.
Speaker 3: So I think that potential change of scenery, and I'm
Speaker 3: very curious to see what Bob and Banister. I'm curious
Speaker 3: to see what they decide and what they want to
Speaker 3: tinker and experiment with him. Just maybe they try something
Speaker 3: with his pitch mix a little bit, or just to sequencing.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious here.
Speaker 2: So this is the first time in his career where
Speaker 2: he's thrown again. I'm slowly getting my information together. He
Speaker 2: tends to throw when you talk about things like pitchmicks,
Speaker 2: he tends to throw the syncer more than the slider.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of years in there where he
Speaker 2: threw the slider more than the sinker, including this one.
Speaker 2: But it's the greatest discrepancy between those two pitches of
Speaker 2: about ten percentage points in difference in terms of how
Speaker 2: frequently he throws them. Obviously pretty known as a not sidewinder,
Speaker 2: but a low three quarter slot where the sinker change
Speaker 2: up combination has long been effective for him. So I
Speaker 2: wonder if they try and get back to some of that.
Speaker 2: I hesitate to say they need to make too many
Speaker 2: changes because it wasn't that long ago as in last
Speaker 2: season to where he was truly very effective. But again
Speaker 2: it comes down to for me personally, it's like I
Speaker 2: get being willing to take this risk. I'm surprised they were,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I get it. Like
Speaker 2: when you look at some of the other rentals, it's
Speaker 2: not like they were without warts. Like Kevin Gosman was
Speaker 2: a common name. I mean, if you want to talk
Speaker 2: to the controllable guys, read Debt Meers. I think people
Speaker 2: fell in love with for reasons. I'm still trying to
Speaker 2: figure out. I know he's good, but the level of
Speaker 2: prospect good that they might have needed to give up.
Speaker 2: And you can just go down the list Stephen, Robbie Ray,
Speaker 2: some of us splits away from home, and I don't
Speaker 2: know you can find warts with any guy at this deadline.
Speaker 4: That's kind of the point. You don't get.
Speaker 2: The best of the best at the deadline. But to
Speaker 2: get a guy like Castillo who has ace like potential
Speaker 2: in him and has shown it. Yes, he's thirty three,
Speaker 2: thirty four years old, but let's see if they can
Speaker 2: capture it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things.
Speaker 3: No, there's a couple of things you guys brought up
Speaker 3: that I wanted to just quickly touch on one of them.
Speaker 3: There was a game forre Brett was saying about how
Speaker 3: they had too many pitchers in the rotation. There was
Speaker 3: a game against the White Sox in May. I very
Speaker 3: vividly remember watching those game. It was a huge win
Speaker 3: for the White Sox. They brought Castillo on to get
Speaker 3: like a three or four inning save. In the ninth inning,
Speaker 3: he walked Murakami. I want to say, maybe walk somebody else.
Speaker 3: Then they brought in Munyo, was their actual closer, and
Speaker 3: then somebody was like Ben and Tendy and mydraws way
Speaker 3: back to back, like kind of cheap RBI singles. They
Speaker 3: won the game two to one. Taylor got the save
Speaker 3: in the bottom. It was a great game, and Mariners
Speaker 3: fans after the game were just enraged by the fact
Speaker 3: that Castillo was being used as a long reliever essentially
Speaker 3: and a closer, and they were saying, this is not
Speaker 3: his role, Why is he doing this. He complained about
Speaker 3: it too, like Brett said, so maybe there is something
Speaker 3: to the fact that we can't find that much in
Speaker 3: this data that this much has changed about him as
Speaker 3: a pitcher. So maybe it's true that just the change
Speaker 3: of scene we're getting him in a new rotation, like
Speaker 3: Carter was saying, might actually have a big impact. And
Speaker 3: then to what Jordan was saying, Jordan's correct that he's
Speaker 3: using his slider more than his sinker this season, pretty
Speaker 3: drastically compared to how it was last year when I
Speaker 3: was a reverse And the reason I bringing that up
Speaker 3: is because Castillo has a career low ground ball rate,
Speaker 3: meaning he's allowing fewer ground balls than ever and more
Speaker 3: flyballs than ever. The inverse would be true there. So
Speaker 3: maybe it's as simple as, hey, you're using your sinker
Speaker 3: sixteen percent of the time I staid of twenty eight percent.
Speaker 3: So yeah, of course you're allowing all these flyballs and
Speaker 3: not getting as many grounders. I mean, I'm probably oversimplifying it.
Speaker 3: There's I'm sure there's a reason, but that's my main
Speaker 3: thought is when you talk about pitch mix, maybe it
Speaker 3: is just bringing the sinker back a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I guess, hey, outside of you know what we've
Speaker 3: seen in that, maybe he could do what he did
Speaker 3: against the White Sox in twenty twenty three, he could
Speaker 3: throw forty seven straight fastballs and maybe get something to work.
Speaker 3: Remember that game Jordan twenty twenty three. He threw forty
Speaker 3: seven consecutive fastballs against that team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the twenty three White Sox. I probably could
Speaker 2: have thrown a few in there and we would have
Speaker 2: been fine. Now, I think for me it's I do
Speaker 2: want to talk about a little bit where we go
Speaker 2: from here, But I do think it's a calculated risk
Speaker 2: to take. Right Like, I get why they wanted to
Speaker 2: have a controllable player, right like I get I get
Speaker 2: now wanting to move rentals for this group. Just yet, I,
Speaker 2: as much as it feels weird, I do think it's
Speaker 2: the correct. That being said, you better be sure that
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna fix this, otherwise this isn't This
Speaker 2: is an expensive twelve million. Now, this is an expensive
Speaker 2: but it's expensive in the sense that this is the
Speaker 2: guy you're hoping is your game three starter. Right now,
Speaker 2: you have Sean Burke, Davis, Martin, Luis Castile in some
Speaker 2: order your third starter, I guess is kind of what
Speaker 2: I mean to say.
Speaker 4: You can put them in whatever order.
Speaker 2: You better hope you're right and that there's something that's fixable.
Speaker 2: That that's on Banister, that's on Bow, that's on everyone
Speaker 2: else in the organization who made that call. I don't
Speaker 2: hate it in a vacuum, but and this is where
Speaker 2: I kind of want to talk about what's next. You
Speaker 2: have to do something else, So this is the only
Speaker 2: thing they end up doing. Now we really got to consider,
Speaker 2: all right, what was the point of that and why
Speaker 2: couldn't anything else come together? But quite a few people
Speaker 2: have asked this in the chat, where do you go
Speaker 2: from here?
Speaker 4: Like, what do you target next?
Speaker 2: Based on the quality And there haven't been that many trades,
Speaker 2: so I don't want to set you guys up for
Speaker 2: failure with this question. But based on the quality of
Speaker 2: players going back and forth and trade so far, who
Speaker 2: are guys you might see that White Sox move next
Speaker 2: to accomplish other needs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one that comes to mind, and the
Speaker 3: welding back up. Actually, yesterday that rumor came out that
Speaker 3: the White Sox had discussed Freddy Peralta with the Mets
Speaker 3: and the package would have been Boston Smith and George
Speaker 3: wolcal So. The fact that Boston. Mitch just got traded,
Speaker 3: might mean that George Bocal is someone who would also
Speaker 3: potentially get traded, and he doesn't have as much trade value.
Speaker 3: I don't think as Smith. Just given Smith as more
Speaker 3: advanced as a hitter, or he's in double A, not
Speaker 3: high A, et cetera, but he could still probably get
Speaker 3: you a rental or headline of package to say for
Speaker 3: a rental, not somebody with control and not somebody would
Speaker 3: have massive impacts. So I wouldn't be surprised to see
Speaker 3: him go. But in terms of what I'm looking for,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's also part of the reason that I
Speaker 3: haven't really given a strong opinion in terms of I like,
Speaker 3: you know, love hate this move or whatever, in part
Speaker 3: because it just happened that I'm still processing, but also
Speaker 3: because I expect Gets to do a lot more, to
Speaker 3: be honest, and I've seen a lot of comments from
Speaker 3: people the last couple of days saying they have a
Speaker 3: bad feeling it's going to be like a pretty quiet
Speaker 3: deadline for the White Sox. I've had the opposite feeling.
Speaker 3: I thought they might be doing like a little bit
Speaker 3: too much, just because Gets, as a former player, knows
Speaker 3: what it's like to be fighting at the deadline and
Speaker 3: being a good team that just needs a little bit
Speaker 3: more to maybe get over the hump. And he just
Speaker 3: said he's on record as saying he owes it to
Speaker 3: this clubhouse to get them reinforcements. So I expect to catcher,
Speaker 3: whether it's Tyler Stevenson or Lurie Torrens from the Mets
Speaker 3: or probably not like a Hunter good min Natalie Ruchmand,
Speaker 3: probably you know, lower tier than that. I expect to
Speaker 3: catcher for sure, And to be honest, I also I
Speaker 3: know Jordan listened off like Debt Mers and some guys
Speaker 3: I kind of still wouldn't be surprised if they got
Speaker 3: another starting pitcher, maybe not a Redebt version, maybe not
Speaker 3: that high caliber, but somebody like in between Castillo and
Speaker 3: like a Kevin Gosman, like somebody that you can say
Speaker 3: might be an upgrade over in Eric Fetti, but is
Speaker 3: not somebody who's gonna or a playoff get necessarily just
Speaker 3: to help you get to that endpoint of the season
Speaker 3: with having guys like Burke and Martin still being fresh
Speaker 3: where they're not throwing too many innings in their last
Speaker 3: start to September. So I wouldn't be surprised to see that.
Speaker 3: But overall, Catcher one hundred percent expect and then another
Speaker 3: picture of some sort. I have a good feeling that
Speaker 3: we'll do something. I just don't know for sure if
Speaker 3: it'll be like a starter or reliever or whatever it
Speaker 3: might be. Yeah, And to kind of piggyback off debt
Speaker 3: Meer's Nick, the one thing that I've been seeing a
Speaker 3: lot about him is that apparently the asking price is
Speaker 3: astronomical for net Meers. So, honestly, Nick, when you say
Speaker 3: that you're looking for an in between between read det
Speaker 3: Meers and Castillo, you know the name it comes to mind,
Speaker 3: Joise Sorriano, because it's been reported that they're asking, they're
Speaker 3: not the det Mever's price is way up there, Sriana
Speaker 3: a little less. I don't know how i'd feel about that.
Speaker 3: I'm another curious one, but I still like the idea
Speaker 3: of trying to go after like a Clay Holmes type
Speaker 3: or even Kevin Gosman. Kevin Gosmin did start today. I
Speaker 3: know that there was the potential for him to get scratched.
Speaker 3: I know for Pearls to got scratched yesterday. So I
Speaker 3: was thinking that but honestly, I think I'd rather prioritize
Speaker 3: the catcher first, even though I will say kudos to
Speaker 3: Edward Carroll. He did have a really nice game today,
Speaker 3: a couple good ads challenges, a couple hits, But.
Speaker 4: The bar's low Jenner's name.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: The bar is kind of in hell right now, so
Speaker 3: there's not a whole lot. There's not a whole lot
Speaker 3: to work with, and I think that for the In
Speaker 3: the case of Stevenson, he actually has a great track
Speaker 3: record with Castile when they were back on the Reds, I.
Speaker 4: Have been a huge Stevenson.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised I kind of threw it out there once
Speaker 2: steal got hurt and I'm like, oh, I actually like
Speaker 2: this way more than when I was just randomly tweeting
Speaker 2: about it too. I think he does things well with
Speaker 2: the White Sox lag. He's a right handed bat, he
Speaker 2: has some pop behind it. Again, he's not great defensively,
Speaker 2: but we're given Caro credit for a couple of decent
Speaker 2: abs challenges, and I I'm on record saying I'd rather
Speaker 2: have Romo than Carroll because I don't think he's not
Speaker 2: bad like the bar's low, and I think we have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that at a certain point, if the Socks
Speaker 2: are going to get another start, I would like to
Speaker 2: be a guy who is more of a true dominant
Speaker 2: strikeout starter. What I mean by that is a Sean
Speaker 2: Burke North South type pitcher. It's got a lot of
Speaker 2: pitch to contact guys. They got a lot of groundball guys.
Speaker 2: Davis Martin is not your typical strikeout guy. Anthony k isn't,
Speaker 2: Eric Fetti fe sticks around, isn't. Noah Schultz isn't there yet,
Speaker 2: and Luis Castillo, even when he's at his best, is not.
Speaker 4: Your prototypical strikeout guy.
Speaker 2: I would have thrown personally, like, I don't think they're
Speaker 2: gonna get another controllable one. I think I know, I
Speaker 2: say all those things about wanting a North South starter,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throwt an East West name in Dustin May.
Speaker 2: I think that just gives you a little bit more insurance,
Speaker 2: because I don't think they're gonna pay the Clay Holmes
Speaker 2: price or the Robbie Ray price. I just I would need
Speaker 2: a It would just need to be a lower price
Speaker 2: at this point in my opinion, just because I don't
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna do with the innings.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, the cutcher has to be
Speaker 4: the priority.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that I mentioned, I know
Speaker 2: I've mentioned like three times, so I'm gonna plug my
Speaker 2: own do some self promo here. I put on like
Speaker 2: a mock trade deadline article. I did say I didn't
Speaker 2: think they trade for Luis Castillo, so I take my
Speaker 2: words with a grain of salt. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I do think an outfield bat needs to be more
Speaker 2: of a priority than I think it's been talked about.
Speaker 2: You know, Tristan Peters, it's been about a sixty at
Speaker 2: bat slump now and at a certain point he can't
Speaker 2: be this bad forever. But any advanced metric told you
Speaker 2: that he wasn't going to be as good as the
Speaker 2: start to his season either. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: would be willing to wait around for ever Sin Praira
Speaker 2: to figure it out. And I think Randall Gritchick and
Speaker 2: Austin Hayes, whichever one they decide to choose, essentially do
Speaker 2: the same thing. But you need a late pinch hit
Speaker 2: at bat and you're running Edgar Carrow out there, or
Speaker 2: like today, you're running Randall Gritchick out there. I just
Speaker 2: you're showing up and you're not You're not fighting your
Speaker 2: best fight by doing it that way.
Speaker 4: So I do think.
Speaker 2: I'd like to add more some sort of impact back,
Speaker 2: like a Joe Adell type. Like I'm not talking like
Speaker 2: a super controllable quality bad it's just someone who's going
Speaker 2: to go out there and swing for the fences and
Speaker 2: doesn't really do anything else.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 2: You can deal with that, even if it's that, even
Speaker 2: if that's limited in value, but still as a step
Speaker 2: up from the grit Chicks and the Hazes and things
Speaker 2: like that. So I don't know, but to saw center
Speaker 2: field though, would be a little bit more difficult. It's
Speaker 2: why I'm hoping Peters figures it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he had some I think two today and
Speaker 3: one yesterday. He had a couple at bats where he
Speaker 3: either got a barrel on the ball or still had like,
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred plus mile an hour line drive.
Speaker 1: They all happened to.
Speaker 3: Go right to outfield or so that Peter's maybe is
Speaker 3: on the verge of breaking back out a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I do agree that Pereira has been disappointing since
Speaker 3: returning from injury. And you know, maybe what they end
Speaker 3: up doing is if Peter's really a slumping that bad.
Speaker 3: I mean, Bradon Montgomery can handle centerfield, at least I
Speaker 3: think he can. You can always move him there and
Speaker 3: bring up Austin Hayes to play right. And I understand
Speaker 3: he's kind of redundant Luke Ritchard, but maybe that's what
Speaker 3: we have to do. But given what they just did,
Speaker 3: given that they traded Sir Anthony Domingez, which I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone really expected to happen, I would not be
Speaker 3: surprised to your point, Jordan, if there is some sort
Speaker 3: of out of left field kind of move right that
Speaker 3: we don't really see coming, whether it's trading somebody currently
Speaker 3: on the major league roster that not like you know,
Speaker 3: not like an Antonouge in my draft. I'm talking more
Speaker 3: like a reliever or something like that, or like a
Speaker 3: fatty or k something that we just like are not
Speaker 3: expecting at all, or like you said, Jordan's something that
Speaker 3: just addresses a whole that is not fully there yet.
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't call centerfield a hole. It's just that
Speaker 3: he's slumping, and it's a little scary because metrics whenever
Speaker 3: that great to begin with, even when.
Speaker 1: He was paying well for Peters.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's why, again, why I'm reluctant
Speaker 3: to say, like I give this trade like a C
Speaker 3: plus or anything like that. That's not what I would give it,
Speaker 3: by the way, just because I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen next. I want to judge the whole deadline
Speaker 3: after it happens and see what they've done. But really,
Speaker 3: just thinking about this trade, I mean, yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: giving up a ton. I suppose the biggest issue with it,
Speaker 3: other than my being a Boston Smith fan, is just
Speaker 3: that you're paying the full salary for Castillo next year.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, you're getting rid of Domingos, so
Speaker 3: it's like a net gain of twelve million, but it's still,
Speaker 3: you know, twelve million is nothing to scoff at, especially
Speaker 3: for the White Sox historically. So it's a good sign
Speaker 3: that they're comfortable taking on that money and that they didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, make Seattle eat half of it and then
Speaker 3: give up even more prospects. That would have been very annoying.
Speaker 3: But it also leads me to believe that maybe they
Speaker 3: do have more flexibility to make a surprise move or
Speaker 3: something that we're not expecting going forward. Can I just
Speaker 3: add one thing about the Castillo contract that has a
Speaker 3: unique kind of quirk to it. There is a twenty
Speaker 3: twenty eight vesting option. If he hits one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty innings next year.
Speaker 4: Well, he's not hitting that. They're not gonna let him
Speaker 4: hit that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if.
Speaker 3: There's even be enough baseball played to have a picture
Speaker 3: hit one hundred and eighty innings.
Speaker 1: So but that's a topic.
Speaker 3: But you know, if if he misses time due to
Speaker 3: a UCL injury one hundred and thirty days, twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight becomes a five million dollar team option. So there
Speaker 3: are some avenues written in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a risk, right. I think there
Speaker 2: are two camps that people kind of fall into with this.
Speaker 2: The first camp is it's awesome, gamer has been there before.
Speaker 2: I love it and I get that. The second camp is,
Speaker 2: you know, guys running a five v R this year
Speaker 2: and he's thirty three, you know, did you actually get
Speaker 2: any better? You didn't have to give up a lot,
Speaker 2: but did you get any better? And you know, I've
Speaker 2: talked at nauseum this year about you know, some of
Speaker 2: my frustrations with pitching development things like that, mostly at
Speaker 2: the minor league level, right Like, to be fair, this
Speaker 2: is going to be a quick turnaround for Zach Bob
Speaker 2: and the major league development staff to figure out what
Speaker 2: this is for KSTO, because if they can't get this
Speaker 2: ship right in, how much better is he than Eric Fetti?
Speaker 2: Right Like, at a certain point they're doing the same things,
Speaker 2: and Fetti happens to be doing it a little bit
Speaker 2: better this year. So it's that is a concern for me. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to grade it till I see the
Speaker 2: totality of the trade deadline. If this is the only
Speaker 2: pitcher they pick up, I think when we're talking about
Speaker 2: grading it, the grade will be lower than it is
Speaker 2: right now if they add another piece and kind of
Speaker 2: reshuffle the chair the deck a little bit from a
Speaker 2: bullpen perspective.
Speaker 1: Five.
Speaker 2: But I don't know it. I have to balance that.
Speaker 2: But part of it for me, like, hey, a true
Speaker 2: gamer who is a great teammate, great clubhouse guy, will
Speaker 2: probably appreciate being able to come here and fight for
Speaker 2: a playoff spot more than he probably was doing in
Speaker 2: Seattle and will probably be a lot more appreciated than
Speaker 2: he probably felt like he was in Seattle when he
Speaker 2: was they were doing that piggybacking thing, like you got
Speaker 2: to have a special crew to do that correct. So
Speaker 2: we'll see, I don't know, just taking a look at
Speaker 2: a couple before we head out here rather soon. A
Speaker 2: couple folks from the chat and a very similar opinion.
Speaker 2: Jamie Lewis don't love it or hate it. He can
Speaker 2: eat inning has a track record. We'll kind of see
Speaker 2: where it goes. Thatcher kind of said the same thing.
Speaker 2: He's kind of all right with it. But the peripheral standout.
Speaker 2: I think everybody's kind of in a very similar place
Speaker 2: as of right now. But gentlemen, I will give you
Speaker 2: kind of your final thoughts.
Speaker 3: I'm just curious. This can be a real quick answer
Speaker 3: from you guys. But and heck, even Andoah Schultz to
Speaker 3: start like today could potentially slay your opinion. But with
Speaker 3: the rotation we have right now, removes in the future
Speaker 3: are going to make this different for sure.
Speaker 1: What do you do with the rotation right now? With
Speaker 1: this group?
Speaker 2: Nick, you can start on that one, because I want
Speaker 2: I want to see if my initial thoughts are an overreaction.
Speaker 4: I do have thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so the issue I have with Schultz
Speaker 3: is he actually was you know, he looked pretty good today,
Speaker 3: but his name's the limit. I don't know what his
Speaker 3: limit is, but he's basically at his career high ending.
Speaker 3: He's already he probably doesn't have that much left in
Speaker 3: the tank to start every star the rest of the year,
Speaker 3: so he might have been like a bullpen kind of
Speaker 3: guy anyway for the second half of the year, or
Speaker 3: I guess the last two months of the year. So
Speaker 3: the way I would do it, it would be obviously
Speaker 3: you would keep Burke and Martin and Castillo as like
Speaker 3: those like your three guys are in cement, Anthony kay,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not anything to deserve to deserve
Speaker 3: not being a starter to this point, so I'd keep
Speaker 3: him as my four. Then the five spot, I mean
Speaker 3: Fetti is he was impressive against Tampa last night, but
Speaker 3: his peripherals are bad, Like he is really outperforming a
Speaker 3: lot of his peripherals and metrics, kind of like the
Speaker 3: pitching version of Christin Peters, and I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 3: if that caught up to him at some points. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind using Fetti and like the Tyler Schweitzer role,
Speaker 3: kind of like long relief guy. But then for a
Speaker 3: fifth starter, I mean, you would keep rolling with Sheltz
Speaker 3: until you can't anymore from an Ink standpoint, and maybe
Speaker 3: at that point that's when you use somebody like Maceon
Speaker 3: Adams or David Sandlin somebody else. But that's kind of
Speaker 3: my issue to with your question, Brett, Like, no problem
Speaker 3: with you're asking it, but I wish we had another
Speaker 3: picture starting Pitcher coming in to avoid having to rely
Speaker 3: on somebody like Adams or Sandler.
Speaker 2: Having to do that sort of the way that you
Speaker 2: have to do it right there, I feel like the
Speaker 2: door is very much open for them to still add
Speaker 2: a more reliable arm if not. My personal opinion is
Speaker 2: you decide what your limit is for Schultz this season
Speaker 2: and kind of back your way into it. I am
Speaker 2: blown away that it took them this long to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe an opener's a good idea for this kid. Like
Speaker 2: you made Burke do it, you made k do it,
Speaker 2: You've made Fetti do it all year, and you just
Speaker 2: let this kid come up here and run a six
Speaker 2: er for a couple of months and they're like you know,
Speaker 2: let's try this opener thing. I thought that was ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and I know I've said it on here before. So
Speaker 2: with that being said, if you want to try a
Speaker 2: piggyback thing with Fetti and Schultz, potentially maybe have an
Speaker 2: opener for both of them, or let Fetti start games
Speaker 2: and let one go one time through the order, the
Speaker 2: next go next time through the order, and then by
Speaker 2: that time, hopefully you're at through five innings by that
Speaker 2: or maybe even six if you're really lucky, or you're
Speaker 2: in the sixth inning by the time that happens, and
Speaker 2: kind of mix and match from there. I think that
Speaker 2: could be interesting, and it wouldn't force guys too far
Speaker 2: out of the situations they've been in so far, but
Speaker 2: it opens the door to really say, this team probably
Speaker 2: still needs one more arm.
Speaker 3: And I hope that in a day or two from
Speaker 3: now we are back on a podcast talking about how
Speaker 3: we need to reconstruct the rotation once again. I think
Speaker 3: that'd be a great problem to have. The only other
Speaker 3: addition that I would add is that Drew Thorpe's kind
Speaker 3: of an interesting case right now of building up innings
Speaker 3: and having some good results, but it is a very
Speaker 3: small sample, but I am very just intrigued to see
Speaker 3: what they decide to do with him, if they really
Speaker 3: feel like he is going to be a piece of
Speaker 3: the major league team in.
Speaker 1: Late August, early September. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Probably depends a lot on what happens before Monday at
Speaker 3: three pm. That and.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I've never been I know what.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say, I just pat still ninety one or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4: Like, is this fastball still ninety one ninety two?
Speaker 1: If it is, we've already seen.
Speaker 2: This story, right, Like, I don't know, Like he can
Speaker 2: be effective maybe, but for how long how often?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm going to remain skeptical just because
Speaker 4: I know it.
Speaker 2: I don't like to be like, oh, with fastball or nothing,
Speaker 2: because like that's not that's not the end all, be all,
Speaker 2: end all, but at times it is too right, So
Speaker 2: it has to be at least a consideration. Thorpe could
Speaker 2: be interesting. Mason Adams, you brought up that name too,
Speaker 2: rep It's kind of interesting to me just because they
Speaker 2: did use him out of a relief role. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're considering that or they're trying to
Speaker 2: showcase him to other teams and kind of sell them
Speaker 2: as that piece.
Speaker 4: I don't know it they have.
Speaker 2: The thing is, they have options, but you have to
Speaker 2: be And it's not that Venable wouldn't be good at
Speaker 2: this or they haven't been good at this, but you
Speaker 2: have to be so conscious of matchups and moves and
Speaker 2: things like that and sending eyes up, putting them down,
Speaker 2: things like that, that if you have too many options now,
Speaker 2: it's almost like I've got too much going on versus
Speaker 2: just having a fifth got to be like, let's go
Speaker 2: throw them out there, call it a day, and go
Speaker 2: from there. So options are good, and I don't think
Speaker 2: the Socks lack them, it's just more so the more
Speaker 2: options you have. It's kind of like it's not the
Speaker 2: same thing. But I think of like the old adage
Speaker 2: where if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have any,
Speaker 2: right like, if you have too many options, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you don't have a good one, right like.
Speaker 2: So baseball is different. Obviously it's not a perfect example,
Speaker 2: but I don't want it to be a situation where
Speaker 2: you have to overanalyze every situation to pick the matchups perfectly.
Speaker 2: As fun as that sounds for a nerd, like that's
Speaker 2: just not how baseball always works necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, between the names we just talked about, like Thorpe,
Speaker 3: Sandlin Adams, Shane Smith, Jose Arcady, they just they Urchaitie.
Speaker 3: They just got him from whatever. The pirates like, they
Speaker 3: have a lot of guys who could just slot in
Speaker 3: as like a sixth starter, like a depth option if
Speaker 3: somebody gets hurt or you need a spot starter. But
Speaker 3: the problem is they don't have somebody who's head and
Speaker 3: shoulders above that. And the hope is Castillo can be
Speaker 3: that guy, of course, if he's better than what he's
Speaker 3: shown this year. But to me, just kind of my
Speaker 3: closing thought, I guess, or my own impression of this
Speaker 3: trade the more I think about it is it's not
Speaker 3: that crazy, I think to have a net gain of
Speaker 3: twelve million dollars to have Castillo on your roster for
Speaker 3: next year. Over to Manga's like, given that he's a
Speaker 3: starter and they as the track word that he does,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's super offensive or anything like some
Speaker 3: of the negative reaction of reading about the trade. It's
Speaker 3: just I'll have to get over to the Boston Smith then,
Speaker 3: Like I'm fine with taking on Castillo's money. I like
Speaker 3: that they're doing that to reduce prospect costs, but I'm
Speaker 3: surprised that the headline prospect was Boston smith I'm surprised
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, I don't know, like a Colby Shelton,
Speaker 3: like somebody is more like a twenty to thirty range
Speaker 3: prospect than a ten to twenty in the system. I'll
Speaker 3: get over it, and it's like it's kind of splitting
Speaker 3: hairs just because I like Boston Smiths so much. But
Speaker 3: that's my closing thought was like, if he's his contract
Speaker 3: is seen as net negative Castillo at this point, and
Speaker 3: you know, Mariners fans, from what I'm reading, seem pretty
Speaker 3: happy to have gotten rid of it. So I'm just
Speaker 3: kind of wishing that the prospect cost was a little
Speaker 3: bit less. But I really hope I look back at
Speaker 3: this in October or something, I think, wow, like I
Speaker 3: was I was picking like a Steele shoved in the
Speaker 3: playoffs or something like that.
Speaker 1: That's that's obviously everyone's hope, Brett.
Speaker 4: Any final parting thoughts.
Speaker 1: Chris gets You're on the clock for more, Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 4: That is fair.
Speaker 2: I will say two things number one. Yeah, I I
Speaker 2: I don't know. The more I think about it, the
Speaker 2: more I read comments, and I appreciate people both on
Speaker 2: social media and in the check kind of giving their
Speaker 2: thoughts the peripheral's piece. And I think the common thing
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have said, if you have
Speaker 2: more negative feelings about this trade is you know, you're
Speaker 2: not certain the socks got better today, and that's that
Speaker 2: is absolutely fair. I am not sure the White Sox
Speaker 2: got better with this trade.
Speaker 4: In a vacuum.
Speaker 2: I like taking the chance on it, but again, if
Speaker 2: they don't do anything else, yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He would have to, he would have
Speaker 2: to be his oldest form. And I think that's my
Speaker 2: biggest thing.
Speaker 4: Boston Smith.
Speaker 2: I go back and forth on I like selling high
Speaker 2: on guys, and I think they were absolutely doing that
Speaker 2: for a guy who's had two hundred and fifty plate
Speaker 2: appearances in the minors and who came over and this
Speaker 2: is his first full professional season. Like, I like how
Speaker 2: how that ended up working for them, And I would
Speaker 2: be a critical to say that I don't like when
Speaker 2: the White Sacks do that because I wish they had
Speaker 2: done that more in the past. I think depends on
Speaker 2: who you ask. If the Sacks guy better today, I
Speaker 2: feel like the consensus for now, it seems like people
Speaker 2: do believe that, and it seems like you two were
Speaker 2: kind of on the fence with that, but probably air
Speaker 2: more that ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to wait and see and before we
Speaker 3: fully sign off, the chat has alerted us and my
Speaker 3: phone lighting up was alerting me to the fact that
Speaker 3: Schooble just got created the Dodgers, so that is interesting
Speaker 3: and might secure their threepeat.
Speaker 1: We might also secure lockout. Yeah it might.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that just of all the teams, just I
Speaker 3: didn't want that one.
Speaker 4: Here's my thought on that.
Speaker 2: I first of all, you gotta win it, right, I
Speaker 2: thought the last thing Major League Baseball wants right now
Speaker 2: is for this to happen and then have like a
Speaker 2: Brewer's White Sox World Series, Like, how are you gonna
Speaker 2: make a parody problem argument? When that happens, that's the
Speaker 2: funniest potential outcome.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm it just felt so.
Speaker 2: Obvious that that's what was going to happen that I
Speaker 2: just numbed to it. I like seeing the Tigers selling off,
Speaker 2: even if it's just a piece. I like that another
Speaker 2: team has kind of given up because I think the
Speaker 2: one thing we didn't really talk about that I like
Speaker 2: to maybe mention briefly, and I've said six times we're
Speaker 2: signing off, but maybe we talked for two seconds about
Speaker 2: this is the Twins have decided not to. Granted they
Speaker 2: haven't done the most impactful moves ever with Mentor and Cramer,
Speaker 2: but they're three games back too, and they decided that
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 4: Good enough for them.
Speaker 2: I don't know if either of you have initial thoughts
Speaker 2: on that or how much they bother you. Certainly things
Speaker 2: we can talk about more next time, but what would
Speaker 2: be curious as we're talking about some of the things
Speaker 2: already going down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the I've been I've said a few
Speaker 3: times that the Tigers scaring more than the Guardians. Obviously,
Speaker 3: now a scoopl gone, they're probably going to sell more,
Speaker 3: that's no longer true.
Speaker 1: But the Twins and.
Speaker 3: Guardians I kind of see in the same light, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a world where they passed the Socks and win
Speaker 3: the division. But at the same time, I look at
Speaker 3: the at the Twins roster and maybe people feel this
Speaker 3: way about us, but I look at their roster, and
Speaker 3: I struggle to see how they win as many games
Speaker 3: as they do. Like, yeah, they have Buston and Joe
Speaker 3: Ryan and a good bullpenal that they have pieces, but
Speaker 3: they're not when the White Socks are playing them. I
Speaker 3: just feel this season, of course, I just feel that
Speaker 3: the White Sox are the more talented and more well
Speaker 3: rounded team. So I kind of like that they're buying
Speaker 3: because I don't see them as a huge threat, so
Speaker 3: I want them to get rid of their prospects and whatever.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, we have to take them
Speaker 3: seriously because they're tied with Cleveland now and that Cleveland's
Speaker 3: been pretty much the only team we've been talking about
Speaker 3: for the last couple of months. So it's a three
Speaker 3: seam race for sure. I would have said four if
Speaker 3: not for the Tigers selling. So a lot of games
Speaker 3: with the Twins coming up to I think we have
Speaker 3: at least six, if not nine, So there's going to
Speaker 3: be it's going to come down to the wire potentially.
Speaker 3: But I don't really fear them. I suppose it's the
Speaker 3: simple way to put it. I mean, I can just
Speaker 3: you know, with the Twins, like they're having a lot
Speaker 3: of like I don't want to say like double magic,
Speaker 3: but like kind of a little bit of that, just
Speaker 3: because the roster is not that, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: not that on paper is very great up and down.
Speaker 3: I mean, Buxton is now back on the aisle. Joe
Speaker 3: Ryan's actually had a couple stinkers in a row. Now
Speaker 3: they just happen to be in a really advantageous position
Speaker 3: for the talent on that roster. But the thing is
Speaker 3: is that, you know, I still think the stench of
Speaker 3: the Guardians, no matter who is on their roster, will
Speaker 3: always scare me more just because they are able to
Speaker 3: find a way year in and year out. In this
Speaker 3: current modern era, they just always find a way, and
Speaker 3: that stench just freaks me out.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 4: But if the Tigers also decide to go sell, I.
Speaker 3: Believe Casey Miyes, I think, yeah, if they decide to
Speaker 3: sell Miz as well, then they're going to be in
Speaker 3: a position where they really flip the script and are
Speaker 3: probably leaning towards one potential outcome. But their their batting
Speaker 3: lineup is still very talented. I mean Max Clark, as
Speaker 3: we were recording this podcast, hit his first career home run.
Speaker 3: So they are definitely finding ways with Dingler McGonagall Clark
Speaker 3: like that era of Tigers is going to be pretty
Speaker 3: pretty scary. And now you add on Depaula from the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: I hear Hope River Ryan, you know, those are the
Speaker 3: prospects that were sent over. So they're going to have
Speaker 3: a pretty good team coming forward. But maybe with twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, perhaps we might not be thinking about them
Speaker 3: as much.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a frustrating team to deal with. Still
Speaker 2: you gotta win games against them. I do like that,
Speaker 2: as I know there was a period there where I
Speaker 2: feel like the whole thing was about the Twins, where
Speaker 2: the team everybody hated the most. It's always been Cleveland
Speaker 2: for me, so I'm glad we're kind of riding that
Speaker 2: wave back to that because that's how it's always been
Speaker 2: for me With Cleveland. They always find a way. And
Speaker 2: Minnesota can hit. That's the big thing.
Speaker 4: They can hit.
Speaker 2: I don't know how, because I watched that Mariners Twins
Speaker 2: game less time I look at that line of I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is But also I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 2: say that about a White Sox line up every now
Speaker 2: and again. So credit to the Twins for being able.
Speaker 4: To do that, but they don't scare me as much.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think it's the pitch from the pitching perspective that
Speaker 2: if the best they're going to do is Dean Kremmer,
Speaker 2: then we'll see. But we do have a couple of
Speaker 2: days still to go for the trade deadline, and like
Speaker 2: every college student ever, every baseball team is waiting till
Speaker 2: the last minute to get their assignment done before to
Speaker 2: do on August third. I certainly know nothing about that.
Speaker 2: I know so much about that. But anyway, we'll have
Speaker 2: obviously hopefully more to talk about for the White Sox
Speaker 2: for our next show. It'll be August third, on Monday,
Speaker 2: after the deadline, so I'll probably try and go live
Speaker 2: around six o'clock, So be on the lookout for that. Hopefully,
Speaker 2: I said, hopefully there's some white sex moves to talk about.
Speaker 2: If not, I'm sure there will be other moves around
Speaker 2: the league to discuss. So Brett Nick, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us chat. Thank you for joining us. It's always
Speaker 2: a pleasure to have all you guys in there. Any
Speaker 2: final thoughts for either of you.
Speaker 3: I mean, go get a catcher.
Speaker 1: That's my final blot. Go get a Catcher and Let's
Speaker 1: win as serious.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow aimen to both of those things, so again, thank
Speaker 4: you both.
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Speaker 4: The White Sox have Luis castile and we'll see that.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they go on from there and continue to add,
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