WEBVTT - BREAKING: White Sox TRADE for RHP Luis Castillo | Episode 129 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:09.360 Sucks on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:16.120 How's it going, everybody? This is a wonderful evening production 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.760 of the Socks on thirdyfif podcast, a live reaction podcast 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.160 to the latest trade of Luis Castia to the White Sox. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.600 I'm joined by Nick Awen Brett Haffner. Gentlemen, I will 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.200 let you to talk. Well, I figure out what's going 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.440 on with this livestream right now. Gentlemen, how are we? 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.400 Yeah? Doing good? I appreciate you taking care of that day. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:34.840 We're good. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:36.080 Nice, that was easy. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.600 But yeah, obviously we're excited to discuss the trade. Lots 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.400 of I've been reading a lot of opinions about it 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.720 in the left half hour, however long it's been since 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.239 it came out, lots of really polarizing viewpoints on it. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.159 So I'm excited to hear what you guys think. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.080 I've been at a family party for the majority of this, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.000 and I will just start by saying, I am surprised. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.120 I want to give I know it's a live, instant 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.360 reaction show, but you want to give it some time 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:11.040 to marinate. And I always appreciate Nick your thoughts. You're 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.199 usually a lot more levelheaded than either Douk or Eye 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.680 usually on the show. But I think exciting is a 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.160 good word to start for how I'm feeling. But from 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.480 there I think there are other things to consider and 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.760 talk about. But before we get too far into this, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.399 I do got to do the usual promotion of be 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.640 sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.800 especially wherever else you get your podcasts. 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Next year, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.440 Sir Anthony Dimingez his entire salary of ten million dollars 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:14.360 goes to Seattle, and that leaves Nolan Jones and Boston 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:15.400 Smith as. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.760 The other two pieces. That's the that's the trade. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:20.040 Deal. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.639 I guess Nick, you were the Boston Smith guy. I 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.680 don't know how much we talked about it on the show, 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.839 but there was a lot of back and forth about, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.640 you know, whether or not you'd actually like to trade 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.359 on I on, we had Michael Swerro on here a 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.920 little bit while or not, what about a week ago 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.560 to kind of talk about some of the trade pieces, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:36.519 and his name came up. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.160 We'll start with your reactions and go from there. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.440 Yeah, so my take on Boston Smith was I did 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.200 not want the White Sauce to trade him if it 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.400 was for a rental. I mean, anyone I would prefer 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.079 that didn't trade in period, but especially if it was 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.640 for Freddy Peralta or somebody like that who's not on 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.840 the team past this season. So at least with Castillo, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.200 they're getting someone who's still under team control for twenty 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.079 twenty seven and also a vesting option for twenty twenty 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.360 eight if he throws one hundred and eighty or more 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.080 innings in twenty twenty seven. That being said, it's not 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.480 as big of a positive as I'm making it out 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.200 to be because obviously Castillo's having a down year. I mean, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.280 that's the elephant in the room, I suppose, So there 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.440 is a world where him having that extra team control, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.640 even though it's it's nice to have those years, but 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.960 it's like twenty two million, for example, for his salary, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.040 So he's not a cheap player. So if he remains 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.079 the player he is right now, it's not going to 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.160 be great. So the calculated risk that gets in the 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.920 White start taking is that they can unlock something in 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.560 him that makes in the picture he was from twenty 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.880 seventeen to twenty twenty five rather than the twenty twenty 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.000 six version. And that's where we kind of just have 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.920 to wait and see. I mean, I look through all 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.080 of his metrics, as I know Brett was as well. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:47.760 We were talking about that before he went on and 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.160 kind of looking for things like what could what could 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.280 you do differently, what's changed between this year and last 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.720 and all that. Brett start off with that talk because 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.800 he had more thoughts than me. But overall it's one 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.000 of those trades where I'm mostly okay with it because 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.600 the prospect package we gave up wasn't that much, even 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.160 though I was a huge Boston Smith fan. But at 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.200 the same time, that's what smart organizations do. They get 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.840 guys like Boston Smith and they quickly flip them for 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.800 better assets, like they're doing right here. So even though 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.719 it's a little bittersweek, given how productive he has been, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.240 I at least understand the vision. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.640 I will say this about the trade in general, like 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.960 in a vacuum, It's fine, right like that that was 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.760 my initial thought. I was excited by it. Obviously, It's 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.960 nice to be in a world where the White Sox 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.920 are buyers, and I think that's one thing that primarily 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.640 I want to keep in mind, Like, at the end 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.359 of the day, it's cool that they are buyers. I 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.760 look at it from two avenues. Number one is you're 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:49.680 taking a guy who was making twenty two million technically 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.039 is only going to make twelve. It's only twelve million 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.159 additional your taste, so you're kind of getting to steal 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.279 for twelve million next season. That's fine given his pedigree, 0:04:58.320 --> 0:04:59.920 in which you would probably have to pay for some 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.040 one of his caliber. So, like, the money thing isn't 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:07.640 a concern to me. What does become a concern to 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.640 me is if this is the only thing the White 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.520 Sox du like. That's where I say, like in a vacuum, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.560 It's a good move, right, But if this is the 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.680 only thing they do, I'm not personally sure how I 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.920 feel about taking on the twelve million and getting a 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.400 guy who's had mixed results to say the least this season. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.039 So after looking into a couple things, I mean, I 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.760 honestly hadn't been paying much attention to how he was 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.600 doing this year. One thing I noticed was I kind 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.560 of went and looked at all, right, is there some 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.200 like are we seeing a decrease in vlo? And actually 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.320 his fastball is like half a tick up, so there's 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.360 no concern about you know, oh, there's a big drop 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.280 off in Filo. The one thing that I am a 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.119 low concerned with though, is that he is putting away 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.880 hitters a lot less this year than in previous years, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.919 so the strikeout percentage is a bit down from the 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.360 past couple of years. The one thing that I do 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.200 like coming into this organization though, at that even with 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:05.120 a down year, he's still not walking the world, because 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.920 I know that we do have some pitchers who really 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.520 struggle with that in this org So I'm glad that 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.200 there's that kind of like you know, I know, Nick, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.159 you're a big Boston Smith guy. But we got to 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:19.359 remember we got Boston Smith only earlier this year for 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.240 Curtis Meade, and that's one of those things that sure 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.960 we were able to unlock some things that potentially do that, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.760 but at the end of the day, we didn't have 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.000 to give up multiple prospects. I've seen some people incorrectly 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.840 called Nolan Jones still a prospect, but that man has 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.160 been shipped between multiple MLB franchises at this point, between 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.000 uh Colorado and Cleveland. So at the end of the day, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.719 only giving up one prospect for a non rental starter 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.400 who has major durability. If you look at his Baseball 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.359 Reference He's pitched thirty plus starts a lot of his career, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.000 and at the end of the day, we need someone 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.800 with playoff experience. He's got a two two five ERA 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.000 in the playoffs and having that experience in kind of 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.840 another veteran presence in that rotation from successful franchises. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.680 I'm actually really I really like this trade so far. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.440 Yeah, for the real quick before you go, Nick, I 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.120 will say there are a couple for folks who are 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.679 listening ione want to drop your thoughts in the chat. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.040 We will read those out and kind of answer questions 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.080 from there. I will just say that for anyone listening 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.720 to drop him in there and we can get to him. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.160 But Nick ahead, I'm sorry. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:27.680 No, it's okay. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.320 I just wanted to say that before we get too 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.000 deep on the Castillo question, like what's he doing row? 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:32.800 What can be fixed? 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.800 I do also just want to mention that, I mean, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.600 maybe this whole age poorly, but I was saying to 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.080 somebody today when washing the game, I kind of feel like, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.200 Sir Anthony Dominga's head has fixed, well whatever his issue was, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.640 Like he's had like three or four outings in a 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.840 row now where I actually though he looked pretty good today. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.400 I was it was like he only threw a couple 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:49.800 of balls. I think it was pretty much all on 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.600 the zone. And I'm not saying this means he was 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.960 going to be perfect the rest of the season, but 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.560 I was like, Okay, this is nice because now you 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.400 have Taylor and Hicks as your really dependable right handed 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.800 high leverage you guys, but ingas as well. It can 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.720 be like sixth seventh inning and someone you can trust. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.320 This is gonna be really nice for the playoffs. And 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.440 then we trade him later that day, so I'm not 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.480 saying that it would have continued. I know he's been 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.320 very inconsistent, but just want to put that out there. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.520 I'm not convinced that he's as bad as he was 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.200 in the last you know, one or two months. So 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:18.800 that's that's one thought I had when I saw his 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.240 name as part of the trade. I was like, oh, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.000 I actually kind of liked him now, but whatever, it's 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:23.840 too little, too late. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.240 It's inconsistent results, right Like it's again, if you look 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.800 just purely strike our rate, walk rate, home run number, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.880 of thinks like this is that that is who Diminas 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.080 is and that's going to lead to some really nice outings, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.080 and that's going to lead to some really terrible addings. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.960 And I think that's what the White Sox ultimately kind 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.680 of had to fight against. My other point, as you 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.120 brought it up, is the lack of a reliever in 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.800 the bullpen and baseball tossed in the chat was kind 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.240 of mentioning exactly that, And it's wonder if McDougal comes 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.920 up for the Boston I it almost seems to me 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.120 that the White Socks are put wishing it in their 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.440 chips on McDougall and Smith Hagen Smith and possibly even 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.199 Shane Smith why know is still starting, but at least 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.160 those two we're going to make them relievers for this team, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.679 and that's how we're planning to address the bullpen. And 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.200 if we have to trade a piece cool we needed 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:23.840 deming As more, I guess instead of talking like the 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.679 White Sex, the White Sex feel like they needed deming 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.840 As more when they originally signed him versus now because 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.160 you had Taylor step up and Brian Hudson step up, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.680 and now you have the flexibility to add McDougall and Smith. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.000 And does it make sense long term? Probably because you 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.040 don't really need a relieve her more than you need 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.120 a starting pitcher, right. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:45.560 I know. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.440 Nicholas Baker in the chat also mentioned because he has 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.480 a great teammate and great dude, and that's certainly been 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.079 the based on his profile ood he looks like a 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.320 Mariners fan, so I think he's speaking from experience there, 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.000 but also is what I've heard from around just reading 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.920 from fans, like he's a well liked baseball player with 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.880 Brett to your point, a lot of playoff experience. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.199 Yeah, I've got one one other thing that Carter Lawler 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.440 kind of hints that a little bit. One thing the 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.240 Mariners had going on a little bit that they had 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.880 to kind of get creative with was they have I 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.079 believe they had six starters up in the rotation. And 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.200 Castillo actually expressed a little bit of frustration earlier in 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.400 the season with the idea of the piggybacking that was 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.040 happening before the all start break. And obviously we just 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.320 you know, mentioned that, you know, Castillo has been a 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.040 well liked, you know, Mariner for quite a long time 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:38.439 now the time he's done with the ORG. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.160 And I will say though that, you know, Carter Lawler 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:43.040 make a great point in the. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.040 Chat like this could be a great change of scenery too, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.400 because we are in a situation where hey, Luis, we're 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.040 giving you the ball every fifth day. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.000 You are going to get there, You're going to get 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.719 your innings. You're going to be a. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.439 Guy who we probably consider our sp three right now, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.760 Like there is going to be a level importance that 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.880 we are placing on him where perhaps in the Mariners org, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.480 you know, maybe you know, because they have a really 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.440 talented group of Brian wu George Kirby, Emerson, Hancock, you 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.199 can name them all. He was probably at the bottom 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:15.839 of that rotation right now, where he is going to 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.600 get promptly placed based on his caliber and based on 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.559 his check record, kind of right in the middle right now. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.959 So I think that potential change of scenery, and I'm 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.880 very curious to see what Bob and Banister. I'm curious 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.760 to see what they decide and what they want to 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.040 tinker and experiment with him. Just maybe they try something 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.439 with his pitch mix a little bit, or just to sequencing. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:38.520 I'm very curious here. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.920 So this is the first time in his career where 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:47.880 he's thrown again. I'm slowly getting my information together. He 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.760 tends to throw when you talk about things like pitchmicks, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.040 he tends to throw the syncer more than the slider. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.400 There were a couple of years in there where he 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.760 threw the slider more than the sinker, including this one. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.079 But it's the greatest discrepancy between those two pitches of 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.120 about ten percentage points in difference in terms of how 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:09.319 frequently he throws them. Obviously pretty known as a not sidewinder, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.640 but a low three quarter slot where the sinker change 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.439 up combination has long been effective for him. So I 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.080 wonder if they try and get back to some of that. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.320 I hesitate to say they need to make too many 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.839 changes because it wasn't that long ago as in last 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:28.520 season to where he was truly very effective. But again 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.800 it comes down to for me personally, it's like I 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.200 get being willing to take this risk. I'm surprised they were, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.120 to be honest with you, but I get it. Like 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:39.800 when you look at some of the other rentals, it's 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.360 not like they were without warts. Like Kevin Gosman was 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.559 a common name. I mean, if you want to talk 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.120 to the controllable guys, read Debt Meers. I think people 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.080 fell in love with for reasons. I'm still trying to 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.160 figure out. I know he's good, but the level of 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.000 prospect good that they might have needed to give up. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.839 And you can just go down the list Stephen, Robbie Ray, 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.640 some of us splits away from home, and I don't 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.559 know you can find warts with any guy at this deadline. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.960 That's kind of the point. You don't get. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.320 The best of the best at the deadline. But to 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:16.079 get a guy like Castillo who has ace like potential 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.520 in him and has shown it. Yes, he's thirty three, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.640 thirty four years old, but let's see if they can 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:22.120 capture it. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:24.800 Yeah, there's a couple of things. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.800 No, there's a couple of things you guys brought up 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.760 that I wanted to just quickly touch on one of them. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.360 There was a game forre Brett was saying about how 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.360 they had too many pitchers in the rotation. There was 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.880 a game against the White Sox in May. I very 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.640 vividly remember watching those game. It was a huge win 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.040 for the White Sox. They brought Castillo on to get 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.800 like a three or four inning save. In the ninth inning, 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.720 he walked Murakami. I want to say, maybe walk somebody else. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.560 Then they brought in Munyo, was their actual closer, and 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.560 then somebody was like Ben and Tendy and mydraws way 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.840 back to back, like kind of cheap RBI singles. They 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.240 won the game two to one. Taylor got the save 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.000 in the bottom. It was a great game, and Mariners 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.800 fans after the game were just enraged by the fact 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.200 that Castillo was being used as a long reliever essentially 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:04.719 and a closer, and they were saying, this is not 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.760 his role, Why is he doing this. He complained about 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.400 it too, like Brett said, so maybe there is something 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.040 to the fact that we can't find that much in 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.000 this data that this much has changed about him as 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.920 a pitcher. So maybe it's true that just the change 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.520 of scene we're getting him in a new rotation, like 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.840 Carter was saying, might actually have a big impact. And 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.840 then to what Jordan was saying, Jordan's correct that he's 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.200 using his slider more than his sinker this season, pretty 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.080 drastically compared to how it was last year when I 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.360 was a reverse And the reason I bringing that up 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.280 is because Castillo has a career low ground ball rate, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.520 meaning he's allowing fewer ground balls than ever and more 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.840 flyballs than ever. The inverse would be true there. So 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.200 maybe it's as simple as, hey, you're using your sinker 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.520 sixteen percent of the time I staid of twenty eight percent. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.840 So yeah, of course you're allowing all these flyballs and 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.480 not getting as many grounders. I mean, I'm probably oversimplifying it. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.040 There's I'm sure there's a reason, but that's my main 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.800 thought is when you talk about pitch mix, maybe it 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.760 is just bringing the sinker back a little bit more. Yeah, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.840 and I guess, hey, outside of you know what we've 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.280 seen in that, maybe he could do what he did 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.680 against the White Sox in twenty twenty three, he could 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.920 throw forty seven straight fastballs and maybe get something to work. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.320 Remember that game Jordan twenty twenty three. He threw forty 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.400 seven consecutive fastballs against that team. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.480 Yeah, there's the twenty three White Sox. I probably could 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:21.920 have thrown a few in there and we would have 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:27.040 been fine. Now, I think for me it's I do 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.680 want to talk about a little bit where we go 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:34.640 from here, But I do think it's a calculated risk 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.080 to take. Right Like, I get why they wanted to 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.240 have a controllable player, right like I get I get 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.960 now wanting to move rentals for this group. Just yet, I, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.880 as much as it feels weird, I do think it's 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:56.200 the correct. That being said, you better be sure that 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.840 you're gonna you're gonna fix this, otherwise this isn't This 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:02.960 is an expensive twelve million. Now, this is an expensive 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:08.240 but it's expensive in the sense that this is the 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.280 guy you're hoping is your game three starter. Right now, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.080 you have Sean Burke, Davis, Martin, Luis Castile in some 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.040 order your third starter, I guess is kind of what 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:17.640 I mean to say. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:18.840 You can put them in whatever order. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.280 You better hope you're right and that there's something that's fixable. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.480 That that's on Banister, that's on Bow, that's on everyone 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.440 else in the organization who made that call. I don't 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.120 hate it in a vacuum, but and this is where 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.560 I kind of want to talk about what's next. You 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:36.960 have to do something else, So this is the only 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.280 thing they end up doing. Now we really got to consider, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.760 all right, what was the point of that and why 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:48.280 couldn't anything else come together? But quite a few people 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.720 have asked this in the chat, where do you go 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:51.280 from here? 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.280 Like, what do you target next? 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.000 Based on the quality And there haven't been that many trades, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.680 so I don't want to set you guys up for 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.000 failure with this question. But based on the quality of 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.280 players going back and forth and trade so far, who 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.000 are guys you might see that White Sox move next 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.200 to accomplish other needs? 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.119 Yeah, I mean one that comes to mind, and the 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.480 welding back up. Actually, yesterday that rumor came out that 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.200 the White Sox had discussed Freddy Peralta with the Mets 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.280 and the package would have been Boston Smith and George 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.199 wolcal So. The fact that Boston. Mitch just got traded, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.960 might mean that George Bocal is someone who would also 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.680 potentially get traded, and he doesn't have as much trade value. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.320 I don't think as Smith. Just given Smith as more 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.920 advanced as a hitter, or he's in double A, not 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.160 high A, et cetera, but he could still probably get 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.359 you a rental or headline of package to say for 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.800 a rental, not somebody with control and not somebody would 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.400 have massive impacts. So I wouldn't be surprised to see 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.080 him go. But in terms of what I'm looking for, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.800 I mean, it's also part of the reason that I 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.919 haven't really given a strong opinion in terms of I like, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.240 you know, love hate this move or whatever, in part 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.320 because it just happened that I'm still processing, but also 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.800 because I expect Gets to do a lot more, to 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.879 be honest, and I've seen a lot of comments from 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.359 people the last couple of days saying they have a 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.160 bad feeling it's going to be like a pretty quiet 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.200 deadline for the White Sox. I've had the opposite feeling. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:13.600 I thought they might be doing like a little bit 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.920 too much, just because Gets, as a former player, knows 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.040 what it's like to be fighting at the deadline and 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.600 being a good team that just needs a little bit 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.919 more to maybe get over the hump. And he just 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.760 said he's on record as saying he owes it to 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.200 this clubhouse to get them reinforcements. So I expect to catcher, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.440 whether it's Tyler Stevenson or Lurie Torrens from the Mets 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.679 or probably not like a Hunter good min Natalie Ruchmand, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.119 probably you know, lower tier than that. I expect to 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.520 catcher for sure, And to be honest, I also I 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.639 know Jordan listened off like Debt Mers and some guys 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.479 I kind of still wouldn't be surprised if they got 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.560 another starting pitcher, maybe not a Redebt version, maybe not 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:53.480 that high caliber, but somebody like in between Castillo and 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.000 like a Kevin Gosman, like somebody that you can say 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.080